paleontology

[pearl briar]

N O
(cope is around 9.5-10.8 tons according to @stiff osprey , ask him/her idk random's pronouns if you don't believe it)

[light osprey]

all dinosaurs, because it’s not an exact science, and will always be arbitrary

[heady thunder]

Always make them as big as possible, extra points if you use the most stupid way to estimate.

[light osprey]

Will it contribute anything to the field of study? Absolutely not, but we’ll spend an hour debating it in this discord chat

[royal basin]

@light osprey I though carcharodontosaurus had a bite that was literally only as strong as a bears and their head/jaw structure and teeth were more rip and cut than bite and hold. Last time I checked they lowbal estimate spinos bite to be about that of a large saltwater crocodile which is still less than a third of the sarcosuchus bite

[bright veldt]

The larger carcharodontosaurs had a like 2 ton bite force it wasn’t weak by any means

[storm heron]

Wait really? Giganotosaurus was estimated to bite around ~2000kg of force?

[bright veldt]

Ye

[shut patio]

What the hell are Scansoriopterygids again? Avialans?

[light osprey]

A bear lol, mainstream characterisation of dinosaurs is getting out of hand

[bright veldt]

It depends on who you ask. They’re not avialan cause that’s birds. They’re either paravians or just slightly more basal than that.

[light osprey]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9285543/ here’s a paper on it if you wanna check

[bright veldt]

This also was one of a few studies that debunked the “carno had a weak bite” thing

[heady thunder]

It will, it will get you money for the dig, no rando will give you money for " The most average sauropod"

[royal basin]

So then wait how much is spinos bite force then has that changed?? I figured it was around if not greater than a carcs but if studies have changed so must my knowledge

And if a carcharodontosaurus has a bite force of almost 2 tons and i think the largest saltwater crocodiles being like 5k psi which is roughly 2.5 tons I'd say maybe their around the same 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[light osprey]

New exciting discovery! Very typical and average South American Sauropod has been discovered!!

[bright veldt]

Carcharodontosaurs are a lot more like tyrannosaurs than people usually think. Are there differences? Absolutely. But macropredatory theropod dinosaurs all convergently evolved similar straits. They have giant heads with jaws capable of devastating damage with tiny arms of questionable use, giant bulky bodies, and slow movement speeds.

[bronze storm]

Big Fartass animalia

[bright veldt]

The difference in bite force likely attributed to how they struck prey differently (raw bite force vs neck/body driven strikes) rather than a difference in power as well. You don’t need a bite force capable of crushing an SUV like a tuna can in order to kill something. Such a bite force is definitely more useful for processing such prey though, and that and the differences in their teeth probably reflect more in how they ate rather than how they killed.

[bronze storm]

I almost read that wrong i thought tuna could crush an SUV with their bite force

[royal basin]

Well I've been hearing about this neck/body driven striking with spino kind of like an allo but different in its wind up. Didn't they say it's neck wasn't very strong in terms of lifting things so that's probably why it struck in such a way (which is terrifying). I'd reckon if something pissed one off it'd posture itself in a stance thats between the charge bite animation we have for it and the threaten call where it's t posing

Because like a modern anteater I'd reckon most of anything that actually is able to get that close to the front of it isn't escaping unless it weighs more

Imagine what a maip could do to a prey item with just forelimbs alone. Take that and upscale it from Pg-13 to rated R and that's what a spinos claws would do

Because it most definitely wasn't using them like deinicheirus or therizinosaurus

[bright veldt]

They would’ve been nasty weapons but you usually see claws function in prey capture rather than actually killing.

[royal basin]

I mean in this case idk, the force spino could exert with them almost equals what it can exert in just raw bite force psi

[astral kelp]

The fish Tuna? How’d they crush an SUV?

[heady thunder]

Spino doing a MK fatality on the random fish

[bronze storm]

The snake tuna from a can that can use SUV to bite into prey

[royal basin]

I mean if it can swing its forelimbs with enough force to flip an suv kind of like how indominus rex flipped that utility truck only it's hitting with claws and not actually "flipping" in this case I'd be upset

Swipe* not swing

[light osprey]

Those were suggested for hunting aquatic prey specifically. I think lateral striking being the preferred method. Probably incorporates some of the connotations of the I. challengeri paper

[royal basin]

See thays even scarier when you co sidereal that it's wrist and forelimbs really don't move in that directional path or plane really unless it twist its wrist backwards palm up, I think with its size and potential for having a height advantage assuming it knew what it was doing most other predators unless in pairs or groups would bother one (kind of like in game) and if they do then the spinos gonna retreat like any animal with survival instincts would unless of course babies are involved

[bronze storm]

Spino arms deadly

[royal basin]

I just think that if we go by the similarities in how therizinosaurus/deinocheirus and spinosaurus all were similarly sized, almost similarly niched and all had those big ass arms with claws that vary slightly in length and width, they grew arms more lengthy but they had giant theropods they dealt with constantly like spinosaurus so maybe big arms on big dinos especially ones that are in vicinity of other apexes was just how evolution played it out for them. Idk about the force either theri or deino can generate in relation to spino though

I actually just had this idea. What if spinos literally ate baby dinos for a living??? Think about it everything needs water and for what it's worth I'd reckon most of the things it were eating were small enough to be grasped with those forelimbs and then swallowed whole. Most nesting sites back then I'd imagine were in areas of lush food/water so it's safe to assume something big and slow like a spino would just meander about like a shoebill/goose-crocodile until either something small enough came along and with its reach alone finishes the job or it'd wait and hunt fish until again something substantial enough and just right sized enough for it to boss it with it arms to death if need be as again if 1 swipe is enough to flip an suv, I'd reckon kind of like an ankys tail without the bone break the spinos swipe is gonna knock the wind out of whatever it hits if not knick it prone

[shut patio]

What's the consensus on them being close to oviraptorosaurs?

[light osprey]

I don’t think they’re particularly close. Just another member of Pennaraptora

[covert lintel]

i gotta wonder where you got the idea that all three of those dinosaurs have similar niches.
like, spinosaurus has a face and tooth shape that suggests it was a good fisher, its relatives have been found with fish scales in their stomachs, and while exactly how semi-aquatic it was is debated, it seems to be closely associated with water. there's good evidence for it being a large piscivore.
deinocheirus doesn't have any physical features that suggest it was particularly well adapted to fishing (the shape of its beak seems better suited to aquatic plants), but one specimen was found with fish scales and vertebrae in its stomach, so there's evidence that it ate fish sometimes. generally, it seems to fill the niche of a large, possibly semi-aquatic omnivore.
as far as i know, there's no strong evidence for therizinosaurus being semi-aquatic at all. its claws are more fragile than you might expect, and their function is pretty unclear.

[compact leaf]

yeah theri being associated with water in any real way would be a complete curveball and it’s not likely at all, none of its relatives have any evidence of being associated with water

[bright veldt]

Yeah therizinosaurus’s claws are completely unlike the other two, and seemed most used to extend the range of its grasp rather than in defense, since the claws themselves are surprisingly weak for how big they are.

[tough parcel]

Tbh, I am suspicious about it being used to pull food in range and such, simply because the neck extends far out of reach from the arm’s range

[bright veldt]

That’s actually true, but it’s still useful in manipulation

[somber tartan]

Look at this idiot, this stupid little goober, stupid sauropod looks like it tried to stegosaurus but stopped halfway

CALL HIM NAMES🫵🏽🗣️‼️

[compact leaf]

diplodocoids just had a weird tendency to get stubby for some reason

[white matrix]

Budget marge

[plain parcel]

It's almost there 😭😭

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sanditon-talk-to-me-like-that-theo-james-sidney-parker-dont-talk-to-me-gif-17613407

HES ADORABLE

[white matrix]

No

[lavish frigate]

Yes

[plain parcel]

Bro was the cow back then

[lavish frigate]

He just looks up to stegosaurus as a role model

[white matrix]

No

[lavish frigate]

Yes

[plain parcel]

Lowkey looks like a potato

[lavish frigate]

Have you ever had a potato 🤨 they are the best. Just like le Dino

[white matrix]

Just a potato with a neck and a tail basically what u call a few nubs

[plain parcel]

It would be cool if it was an option in pot

[lavish frigate]

Yes

[plain parcel]

For my spino to absolutely mash them into dino mashed potatoes

[lavish frigate]

Still ok as an option just to have it

[plain parcel]

Fr

It looks special it's like it just fits with pot 😭

Well someone's mom went loose

[somber tartan]

Real

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/true-correct-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-right-gif-23822659

[white matrix]

Yeah fr

Can anyone clear my doubt? How do we get coins to buy dinosaurs?

[tough parcel]

#path-of-titans or #qna

[tranquil quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-knew-something-was-up-something-fishy-something-was-off-i-knew-it-foresight-gif-14518446

[royal basin]

Lemme rephrase I guess I don't mean niche I meant like body plan as far as the fact those 3 are like the 3 largest dinos with actual functioning forelimbs in the sense discluding allosaurids and megaraptors

[clever sable]

The 12.4 tonne estimate was never really valid so he is likely much smaller than 11.3

[white matrix]

Yeah literally

[true flint]

Honestly ants are overated

[blazing lion]

Hey ants are goat

[true flint]

No they are not mammal

[clever sable]

Insects are honestly the most successful animals ever, hell dragonflies have a hunting success rate of like 98% or something insane like that, they are also the strongest animals relative to body size

Also in terms of large animals crocodiles > most terrestrial mammals

[light oxide]

A reminder that Camptosaurus most definitely never skipped leg day:

[clever sable]

Is that the largest and the second largest Campto?

[scarlet moon]

Holy bro was massive

[bright veldt]

Largest campto and holotype

[light oxide]

The one with the actual skeleton is the holotype. The background one is the largest one.

Although, I will say . . . It has a flimsy looking tail. Similar to mammal tails, actually. XD

"Similar," quote on quote.

[tall fiber]

H

[clever sable]

Yes

[light osprey]

✨ Animalia ✨

[astral kelp]

Arthropleura

[clever sable]

Reptiles > mammals

[elfin pulsar]

Mammal dub

[astral kelp]

Cope

[tough parcel]

What beast could this be???

[clever sable]

Tigers when saltwater crocodiles:

[astral kelp]

Black caimans when my mother (they’ll simply get smacked by a shoe)

[elfin pulsar]

Insert crocodile purses

[clever sable]

Saltwater crocodiles have been documented killing tigers

[elfin pulsar]

No duh

[light oxide]

Early/Basal Ceratopsian.

[fallow plank]

A bear!

[tough parcel]

True!

[nocturne gazelle]

Mammals are obviously superior as they survived the meteor

Reptiles when big rock: 💀

[stiff osprey]

Most mammals will die if I throw a big rock on them

[light oxide]

In fact -- that's actually what happened 66 million years ago.

[tough parcel]

Hmm, I wouldn’t…so does that make me not a mammal?

[nocturne gazelle]

Alien confirmed?

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-hes-right-star-wars-gif-21514122

[supple fulcrum]

Does anyone here collect fossils?

[pearl briar]

uhh... psittaco?

[astral kelp]

I could do it too, to a reptile ofc 😈

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-a-cat-a-cat-describing-kittens-interview-gif-14311754

[rose gate]

Allo bite like axe is so outdated

[still prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-17449734

[still prairie]

Whenever i hear the hatchet bite theory i cringe up and die

[elfin pulsar]

That’s what no duh means yea

[tranquil quartz]

A porcupine!!

[rigid crypt]

Anyone have papers to size esstimates for the largest Torvo(5.5 tons) and Saurophagnax(6.9 tons)

[bright veldt]

Neither got that big

“Torvosaurus tanneri GDI:

Lateral view by Hartman edited by me and Randomdinos (using elements from Randomdinos reconstructions and redrawn in Randomdinos style), GDIed by Toxic Midget, top view and front view by me and Randomdinos modified from GSPs allosaurus

both reconstructions are 10.7m along the centra

Elvis (Top reconstruction)
Mass: 4,467kg and 4,559kg (0.97 and 0.99 density)

Edmarka (Bottom reconstruction)
Mass: 4,735kg and 4,832kg (0.97 and 0.99 density)”https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897995109495353394/1007288820426887318/4DDA93D4-34A2-46B2-8856-D630A07F829E.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897995109495353394/911729312867155998/Untitled469_20211120132209.png

At least I think so, imma scale up the GDI to the largest sauro specimen real quick

Ok in this case idk. Cause a 7.5 ton saurophagonax doesn't sound right lol.

The GDI'd individual is 11 meters and just under 5 tons.

[rose gate]

Who's faster in running speed?
Edmontosaurus or Tyranosaurus?

[vivid ridge]

Scanova is Pan?

The more you know....

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-know-learn-education-knowledge-gif-22206158

[still prairie]

While i unfortunately lack a source[Which could render this stupid] imma go out on a limb and say maybe Rex?... Like Edmont probs got more stamina but rex is an ambush predator and in a quick burst could easily outrun edmont

[sudden wind]

Leptocetatops.

[rigid crypt]

whats the average Allo specimen weight then?

[bright veldt]

The average allosaurus is around 8 meters and 1.5-2 tons.

[rigid crypt]

what about the largest allo with a picture?

[sudden wind]

Waiting for Sauro's redescription

[bright veldt]

This is the largest definite allosaurus specimen

[sudden wind]

This thing has converged quite a lot with Tyrannosaurs when it comes to robustness. I wonder how its image will change in the in coming years.

[rigid crypt]

I heard about that

[sudden wind]

And yet it held the title of the non Theirizinosaur theropod dinosaur with the largest claws.

[rigid crypt]

later resconstruction of Sauro will probaly be heavier

[chilly knot]

💯

[normal folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480369179852811/1149981655373709402/Untitled480_20221207095234-1-1.png this is not 100% certain but its a estimate that exists

[bright veldt]

I think I'm just gunna take the current GDI at face value until we know more about Sauro

[normal folio]

there is some new sauro remains
so maybe

and also this guy exists https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480369179852811/1059585385799360562/allosauroidea_indet__nmmnh_p_26083_schematic__by_randomdinos_dem12fz-fullview.png

i heard someone say this might have been 4.7 tons
so if its allo it would have been the biggest we have found yet

[bright veldt]

It's a maybe. It's very unclear what these big guys actually are. They might be sauro or something similar.

[normal folio]

yeah thats why its not actually named yet

[static zodiac]

Is this accurate? (From dinosaur revolution)

[normal folio]

what is this ?
im guessing torvo

[static zodiac]

Yup

[normal folio]

well this answers your question

[bright veldt]

Eh not exactly. I gave some of the actual estimates at some point above. Basically, the largest definite allosaurus specimen is 9 meters and 2.5 tons, with most being smaller. Torvosaurus seems to have been 11 meters and 5 tons.

Torvosaurus was the apex predator of the Morrison before the climate changed and Saurophagonax replaced it after it disappeared.

[normal folio]

i like how danfolkes left us with a lil teaser about sauro remains
saying that it can actually contest the big 3 now

[bright veldt]

Big 3?

[normal folio]

well thats what i remember

[normal folio]

giga rex and all that
although he said biggest theropod i think

[bright veldt]

Eh considering the current big 3 are rex, giga, and deinocheirus it might not hold up anymore lol

[normal folio]

but whatever
i dont really remember every word he said

[static zodiac]

Thought spino was the third one welp his downsized anyway

[normal folio]

it might
6.8 tons is pretty big
and thats only 1 specimen (that estimate might not be true but its good to take into account)

[normal folio]

spino is like 7.8 tons ish i think
he aint that big anymore

[bright veldt]

Spinosaurus mass estimates are a mess like with most of the taxa. 7.5 tons is the most consistent one I've seen.

Deinocheirus is like 8.5 tons.

[normal folio]

Rex getting some love these days
1 new specimen
and cope actually being noticed

[bright veldt]

Cope is dumb.

[static zodiac]

Is it true that its bigger than scotty?

[normal folio]

randomdinos did fix the estimate that the dude from the vid made
he said that cope would be 9 to 10.6 tons if u fix the estimate

although he still used the same method so

[bright veldt]

and even then there's some inconsistencies I've seen some friends point out, like how theropods often have heavier femur circumference for more agility rather than weight bearing

[normal folio]

but cope is deff one of the biggest rexes no doubt about that
its really massive

[bright veldt]

on top of the very wierd observation that it has a shorter femur length than Stan, and Stan is one of the smaller adult Tyrannosaurs

It's too fragmentary to be reliable imo given the large amount of data we have on T. rex

[normal folio]

that really doesnt matter iirc
femur circ is a better method to use then that
although it still has its problems

but yeah even tho cope is fragmentary
its still pretty big
and well bertha is coming soon so lets hope that one isnt victoria 2.0

[chilly knot]

[bright veldt]

👆

[astral kelp]

That’s like the indet so it may or may not be spino

[bright veldt]

That's a matter of "who cares" on my end cause not even the scientists really know what is or isn't spino anymore.

IF we are to talk about spino, it'll be as its broad concept.

also wrong chat probably? unless you wanna talk about the animal in general

[astral kelp]

Best put this in modding to see if any modders wanna try it.

[bright veldt]

Megalosaurs are always fun.

[still prairie]

Sidenote.Da freak is going on with cope?Is it not as big anymore?

[bright veldt]

read above

[weary mango]

up until recently we didn't have meany Spino remains to use as a standard but now we are getting more examples and some rather complete ones too

[still prairie]

Afrovenator would be cool too

[astral kelp]

Ironically spino isn’t as fragmentary as people think.

[bright veldt]

The issue is that they might not be spino. They're being lumped into it on the prospect of "eh same general area and same time, probably spino"

[heady thunder]

I mean, sailed guy, same place, same time, the chances are pretty good

[still prairie]

You'd wish it was that simple

[bright veldt]

Given lack of overlapping material, the evidence of multiple spinosaur species being able to coexist together, there being similar material that doesn't entirely match up, and said "general area" being half the African continent, there's issues.

[weary mango]

i mean we did have the same cases with the T-rexs last i hear the Juvenals look rather different from the adults which lead to some smaller T-rex species being grouped as T-rex because they looked closer to adult T-rex then the baby T-rexs

[still prairie]

That was only the case for '''''Nanotyrannus''''' and Alioramus Altai???

[wanton haven]

Like calling a house cat and cougars the same thing, you know, same place, same time. . .

[bright veldt]

Depends on what you mean. Altai and remotus might be the same thing. If you mean it lumping into tarbo, no cause we have juvenile tarbosaurus.

[wanton haven]

Its always so funny how we find more juvenile specimens than we do adults, to the point where there is multiple species with no known adult skeletons.

[still prairie]

And then sometimes the adults are so wildly different to their juvenile counterparts that we don't know about whether it is an actual valid taxa anymore

[wanton haven]

Maybe we found an adult dryosaurus it just looks like a Tarbosaurus

[still prairie]

Paleo moment

[weary mango]

easiest way would be DNA testing, but DNA has a tendency to not like being turned in to rock

[wanton haven]

If we found out that like, baby dryosaurus are actually just baby apex carnivores I’m going to never touch dinosaur media again.

[wanton haven]

B-B-BUT THE MABER

THE MOSQUITOES

[still prairie]

The biggest pain is finding out that Jurassic Park probably would never happen no matter what

[wanton haven]

I mean if we get really REALLY lucky and just find a dinosaur in a ice brick we could

[weary mango]

i mean we can try clowning things from the ice age era

[wanton haven]

It would probably be a genetic monster with 16 extra arms and a kidney for a throat but it would be a dinosaur for a few minutes.

[still prairie]

Keyword:a few

[wanton haven]

Cloning exists but it’s highly unstable and ends in death most of the time, but, sometimes it can work.

[cloud dagger]

Just manipulate hox genes, problem solved. Though that is pretty unethical

[wanton haven]

2-3% for most animals, and a bit higher for cattle 5-20% is what I can find online

[wanton haven]

Cloning is unethical already

[weary mango]

PETA claims that it's a 90% fail rate. I personally don't know but clowning individual organs from stem cells (for human at least) has a better chance of survival of the individual organ

we are going to have IKEA dinosaur XD

[wanton haven]

I don’t really trust PETA but they ain’t far off.

Also we’re talking about whole embryos

[still prairie]

That they then have to convert into eggs

[weary mango]

i don't trust PETA too, it's the only stat i know from the top of my head.

[wanton haven]

I mean we’ve cloned only mammals so that’ll be something.

[compact leaf]

I mean cloning animals isn’t common but we clone genes all the time, I’ve done it several times myself

the problem isn’t so much building the genome it’s finding usable dna and figuring out a way to actually get a viable embryo

[tiny holly]

Once you get a viable embryo there's still a lot of considerations to be had with what comes next regardless of what animal you're cloning. Mammals need a surrogate mother for the baby to develop in, and for obvious reasons it needs to be something fairly similar to the embryo's species. This is why as much as I'd love to see them come back something like thylacine will be pretty problematic to try and clone until we get pretty good at artificial wombs, because there really isnt any modern marsupial that's analogous enough.

And with reptiles there's eggs to consider. The whole egg-building part happens inside the mother so you can't exactly just implant the embryo into an already laid egg. And you need an egg similar in shape/size/etc to what the egg of the embryo's species would be. Putting a sauropod embryo in a chicken egg aint gonna work considering how huge sauropod hatchlings are.

iirc there has been success with artificial wombs but scarcely so, its still pretty new technology that has a lot of tweaking to go, but I do recall reading about a lamb grown in an artifical womb. If we manage to nail that then cloning (mammals at least) will become a whoooole lot easier because you can have the perfect womb to fit the baby

[compact leaf]

there’s a lot that goes into cloning, even in microbiology it’s a very roundabout process most of the time

we’re actually talking about something I have done and I can’t even weigh in more than that because you basically covered it all lol

[tiny holly]

Even cloning species that are getting grown + raised by the same species (eg the numerous sheep clone experiments) have been pretty messy. All it requires is one tiny thing to be wrong

[astral kelp]

Clone a human

[heady thunder]

We havent done that?

[compact leaf]

some things are also just objectively easier to clone than others, that doesn’t mean it’s easy just easier

it’s how we do gene therapy testing with cancer, you have to clone the gene in E. coli first and then you down regulate it in the cancer cells

[weary mango]

officially playing with human dna or the integrity human as a concept is a crime against Humanity and is a no go, but it doesn't stop countries from doing it.

[heady thunder]

Soooooo, a yes or a no?

[compact leaf]

I mean if someone did clone a human they weren’t parading it around, so not that we know of

[still prairie]

Ethics would destroy us

[heady thunder]

Learning about human history will tell you that, people dont really care.

[tough parcel]

Idk how it’s unethical as long as the being cloned was given a good life and not subjugated to lab experiments throughout their existence

[still prairie]

Also not trying to stoke any fires[seriously tho] why on Earth are there ''crimes against humanity''? Like we can commit war crimes on animals by cloning em but not us? Again not trying to stoke any fires.

I mean just don't torture em and sbject em to experiments like this is Soviet Russia and it should be fine

I think we should end the convo here to be safe

[heady thunder]

Question should be, if I get cloned, do I own my clone

[still prairie]

Theoretically... Yes?

[tough parcel]

Chat, discuss Nat Geo’s Ultimate Survivor’s rex and how it’s still a really good rex interpretation

[compact leaf]

something about this model is incredibly familiar

[tough parcel]

It’s by Vlad Konstantinov, who was the modeler of TSL rex

[compact leaf]

that’s why it looks so familiar I was like no way that’s tsl rex lol

[novel atlas]

I mean, it's alright.

[bright veldt]

Outside of being unlipped it's basically a perfect T. rex

[tough parcel]

^ Yea, that’s my main point. It’s unlipped (tho it’s a couple years old, so mayhaps understandable)

It holds up pretty well imo outside of slight changes to the legs

If anything, it’s the same tier as PP rex if we also subtract PP’s shortcomings

[bright veldt]

Yeah it's up to taste at that point

[tough parcel]

Though they’d be nitpicks mostly

[woeful falcon]

Vlad does good work

Although, and this could also be a taste thing, not a fan of Mohawk feathering

[tough parcel]

PP’s rex had mohawk feathering, admittedly on a more sparse scale

[compact leaf]

I’m fine with it but I prefer the more widespread peach fuzz

[weary mango]

Sorry, i was working on an essay and I got in the zone. It's complicate to answer, I don't mind discussing the ideas in a VC or DMs but it falls under ethics and Hippocratic Oath.

[tough parcel]

He also did a Nanotyrannus and Triceratops for the same documentary series, both of which are still really good

[weary mango]

I mean yes if you go by president where rich people pay to have their pets cloned but i think it would be more in the sence of parents legality

[tough parcel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CziqzXqxcfg

Here’s the Trike

[heady thunder]

What about cloning yourself, does that breach the ethics part

[tough parcel]

Btw should probably halt on the cloning discussion otherwise mods will bonk you for it not being prehistoric

[weary mango]

^

i don't mind discussing it somewhere else because i don't think mods would be too happy, unless we clone a dino XD

[heady thunder]

It being hunted by nano is hilarious

[tough parcel]

Tbf, it’s based on the Montana Dueling Dinosaurs

[woeful falcon]

Huh, I had thought, or at least assumed, it had full feathering bc the babies had it. You just could not really see it at all against the skin bc it was so small and sparce

For such a big show with all its detail, its oddly impossible for me to find good images of this thing that aren't from the side

[tough parcel]

From the close-ups I’ve seen from the promo beach image, it’s only a head-neck feathering

[heady thunder]

Thats a juvie rexes adult trike thing? I thought that both parties were juvies

[tough parcel]

Yea, they are both juveniles, but this was way before much research was done on it

[heady thunder]

Yeah, tho that fight scene reminded me of a hilarious pot video

[tough parcel]

Yea…the animation leaves a bit to be desired

[heady thunder]

https://youtu.be/7JDtRwcUIPM

No, i didnt mean the trailer, tho that also fits, I meant this random pot vid I found one day.

[tough parcel]

Ohhh lol

[woeful falcon]

I had to fight for this image because it was from a gif, then just decided to go to the actual video

but it clarifies it for me, feathering around the body

If there are any eagles in the chat they would have already spotted it around the legs and belly

[heady thunder]

Yeah you can just zoom in and see the fuzz.

[tough parcel]

Sadly, I am a falcon…not an eagle

[covert lintel]

huh. yeah. 's a pretty good rex. could use some lips and i don't prefer this version of the feather distribution, but other than that, it's a good lad. i like it.

[still prairie]

Wasn't that guys model also in The Jurassic Games?

[bright veldt]

Yep

[tough parcel]

Yarp

[ocean brook]

What were some of the first dinosaurs discovered/described?

[stiff osprey]

Megalosaurus was the first, though it was not recognized to be a dinosaur for a few decades

[ocean brook]

Ik that megalo, iggy, and hylaeosaurus were the first 3 found

But kinda curious what else was found during the dawn of paleontology

[stiff osprey]

Cetiosaurus and Pelorosaurus are some of the other oldest. And Poekilopleuron which was considered a crocodile iirc

Cetiosaurus and Pelorosaurus were believed to be whales

[clever sable]

Anyone have a link to the thing downsizing Eo?

[bright veldt]

Here's the skeletal by getawaytrike

[clever sable]

Thanks

[odd pecan]

Hello

[stone tartan]

I heard talk about a bigger rex being discovered

[astral kelp]

I’m going to assume you’re talking about cope, that claim is bs (femur circumference scaling) and it’s also a BHI Fossil

[stone tartan]

Lol

[clever sable]

I mean, it's less BS and more so just a bunch of maybes, unlikelys and probably nots

[rose gate]

I am shock of how this Brachiosaurid manage to survive in the Titanosaurs era and still maintained its huge size.

[compact leaf]

there were plenty of cretaceous brachiosaurids around, the later ones seem a little smaller but we also have a very small sampling of them

we tend to find titanosaurs and brachiosaurids in different places, but the areas we associate with brachiosaurids stop having a record once we get into the latest parts of the cretaceous

[rose gate]

Had anyone found some Breviparopus bones yet? Lol

[iron halo]

Mfw footprint taxon

[rose gate]

Damn. It's huge but not one has ever found

[pearl briar]

are there any inaccurasies on prehistoric planet rex?

[eager skiff]

Very fat

[trim crag]

would anyone here happen to know where I can find literature or maybe just a simplified list of the Mezosoic fauna of New York state?

[trim crag]

all I can find is "Grallator" which is just a foot taxon likely attributed to Coelophysis

[sullen cairn]

i don't think new york really has much in the name of mesozoic deposits

[weary mango]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-cute-rex-t-rex-tyrannosaurus-rex-gif-25447189

those ones?

[hallow spear]

This is most likely A. amplexus (=Epanterias) and this one is 4.5t, the larger A. amplexus specimen is 4.7t

[hallow spear]

Old and its not definitive, or at least its a little in the air between Allosaurus sp and A. fragilis

[normal folio]

short legs
thats the only thing i know

other then that
hank is pretty on spot with scotty

[heady thunder]

Isnt it a bit more round then it should?
By round I mean fat

[sullen dust]

Yea it has way too much soft tissue

[vast narwhal]

Could have just put on pounds

[compact leaf]

a few of the animals in prehistoric planet suffer from too much soft tissue, the sauropods are the biggest offenders

[clever sable]

It has too much soft tissue

[clever sable]

That also has too much soft tissue

[elfin pulsar]

That Rex is too chunky

[unkempt apex]

Rex's are chunky

But the part most interesting is the lips

[tough parcel]

"T.rex is chunky" when I show them a healthy rex (It is not obese)

[clever sable]

These are more accurate, saurian rex is too chunky

[unkempt apex]

This rex has the newest lips

[clever sable]

Well the in game model for saurian rex is ok, but the concept art size comparison is too chunky

[unkempt apex]

the teeth are covered

[clever sable]

There is plenty of Paleo art and depictions of rex with lips that have come out since

[tough parcel]

All these examples have lips, Saurian's concept art is not unique

[ancient crystal]

Isn't the saurian rex, at least the concept art, kinda... bad?

I know I've seen people talk down about it quite a bit.

[clever sable]

Plenty of other rexes with lips (credits to mark Whitton)

[unkempt apex]

This worse

[clever sable]

Now that is wildly inaccurate, rex shouldn't be that densely feathered

[tough parcel]

Mark Witton goes so hard!!!

[ancient crystal]

I will never not love the rex gumming the edmonto to death in that third piece

[unkempt apex]

What is the most inaccurate rex?

[clever sable]

I'm pretty sure Mark just likes to do theropod teeth like monitor teeth (basically completely covered in gums)

[tough parcel]

Probably some stock video game rex

[clever sable]

Probably the T. rex an evolutionary journey one maybe?

[unkempt apex]

Maybe jurassic world

[ancient crystal]

Any rex design that has more than 2 fingers immediately shoots to the top of my list for worst rex designs

[compact leaf]

another chance for a sauropod discussion gone to waste 😔

[covert lintel]

yeah, because it's older

[clever sable]

The JP/JW rex was actually fairly accurate for when the OG movie came out tbf

Nowadays it doesn't hold up as well though

[unkempt apex]

From this to

[ancient crystal]

I don't take any issue with the JW designs, because as said they used to be fairly accurate, and while the science may change the branding should stay consistent across movies.

At least for returning characters.

[covert lintel]

hard to quantify that, there's been a lot of tyrannosaurus recons over the years and the bad ones have been bad in a lot of different ways

[unkempt apex]

To this

[clever sable]

That's probably my least favorite JP/JW design

[unkempt apex]

same

[tough parcel]

Sobbing because that's not even the official model

[ancient crystal]

I personally dislike the mosa more, but giga is a close second

[tough parcel]

This one looks cooler, but here's the original render

[unkempt apex]

Godzilla

[clever sable]

Dilo may not be accurate but it's still a very unique and creative design which is why I excuse it, JW giga isn't really that unique and that's why I consider it a bad design but dilo a pretty good design

[covert lintel]

oh yeah the jw mosa is just "what if we replaced a crocodile's legs with fins and then made it kaiju-sized. that's a mosaurus right?"

[unkempt apex]

Has anyone heard of novosaurs?

[unkempt apex]

The jw mosa is mixed in my opinion

[ancient crystal]

The JWE in game species profiles are always so entertaining to me. You can tell they really tried to be somewhat accurate (to wildly varying degrees of success), but given the medium they just couldn't

[tough parcel]

Can't do that here, we'll be shot

[unkempt apex]

Biggest apex carnivore dinosaur?

For me I believe tyrannosaurus was the biggest apex carnivore

[heady thunder]

This guy actually does cardio

[covert lintel]

biggest carnivorous dinosaur is probably tyrannosaurus, although giganotosaurus is lookin' close and might surpass it someday (we don't have a lot of giga specimens, so afaik, it's hard to say if the ones we have are close to the upper limit, and if so, how close)
biggest herbivorous dinosaur... don't know if any particular genus holds the title right now, but it's definitely a sauropod, probably a titanosaur, might still be argentinosaurus.

[trim crag]

wasn't Bruhthaky or however you spell it revalidated?

[unkempt apex]

Actually for herbs it's bruhathkayosaurus

[jagged trellis]

last i saw giga and rex are the same size, weight wise, at this point for em Moreso who happens to have a fatter tail next week or smth

[covert lintel]

bruhathkayosaurus is probably real (i think?) but last i heard no material from it exists right now because it disintegrated. so

[unkempt apex]

So it would be argentinosaurus

[sullen cairn]

Bruhath itself could potentially be a large abelisaurid because funny ilium on a technicality

[compact leaf]

bruhathkay probably exists based on photos of the site but the measurements are likely not to be trusted

[sullen cairn]

The biggest one

[compact leaf]

for weight argent holds the title, height it's sauroposeidon (that might change depending on some scaling and taxonomy), and length supersaurus has it

[covert lintel]

yeah basically this. it was a real thing that existed, but nobody's really sure how large it was and we can't really re-measure the remains because. Well.

[sullen cairn]

Thank god we have those gorgeous highly detailed illustrations

[tough parcel]

They really just don’t make em like they did anymore

Nowadays it’s all fancy photographs

[sullen cairn]

People have lost their appreciation for the old ways

[unkempt apex]

Now the most interesting question (for me) whos the strongest carcharodontosaur family member?

[sullen cairn]

The one that’s the biggest

[covert lintel]

probably one of the big ones

[unkempt apex]

Giganotosaurus is the biggest but the strongest in the family

Acro and mapusaurus or stronger

[sullen cairn]

Acro’s multiple tons smaller than giga and Mapu’s more gracile

[chilly knot]

Define """strongest"""

[unkempt apex]

Like the strongest in the family of carcharodontosaur

[sullen cairn]

The strongest in absolute strength is shaochilong

[unkempt apex]

Acros bite is 8000 and mapusaurus is like 7000

[bright veldt]

Given how they’re all basically identical except in size, giga would be since it’s the largest.

[unkempt apex]

Giganotosaurus is 6000

[bright veldt]

But it’s on such a minor scale. It really doesn’t matter.

Those numbers are also incorrect. The strongest bite force tested for a carcharodontosaur was giganotosaurus, which was around 2.5 tons of force. Acro had a bite force less than that, and Mapu has never been tested.

[unkempt apex]

So giganotosaurus is the strongest in its family

[bright veldt]

It’s such a minor difference to where it logistically wouldn’t matter, but if you want a solid answer then yes.

[covert lintel]

the really big carchs (mapu, giga, tyranno, meraxes - so basically just the giganotosaurins lol) were more or less copy-pastes of eachother with some size differences and various small tweaks so like. beyond "it's probably the biggest one" there's not much to say, they're basically all doing the same thing at slightly varying sizes

[bright veldt]

^

[unkempt apex]

Giga

Acro

[chilly knot]

What is blud talkin

[unkempt apex]

^

[tough parcel]

Here ya go kids

[covert lintel]

hey notice how acro wasn't in there. on account of acro being more basal and also kind of a shrimp-type thing in comparison to giganotosaurins. (still a big theropod, but like. it's not included in the list of giga clones because it wasn't a giga clone)

[sullen cairn]

You guys are neglecting 13m mapusaurus

[chilly knot]

!!! Fr

[clever sable]

Isn't acro 5.7 tonnes?

[sullen cairn]

Falcon hates acro and uses the smaller gdi

[bright veldt]

Same difference when talking about animals this big

[tough parcel]

Know what, frick you, I'll use the 6.6t Acro 😡

[clever sable]

Acro was pretty different from them

[clever sable]

Use beags 7.3 tonne acro 💀

(don't)

[tough parcel]

Ok! :D

[heady thunder]

6.69 or bust

[clever sable]

Nononono

[unkempt apex]

Spinosaurus every year

[sullen cairn]

2.4t femoral circumference allometry acrocanthosaurus 👍

[clever sable]

Totally real

[chilly knot]

Totally based table moment

[sullen cairn]

That’s because the best allosauroids are the post cenomanian-turonian extinction ones like ulughbegsaurus prudente maxilla assorted teeth and shaochilong

[unkempt apex]

Did spinosaurus have lips?

[sullen cairn]

Perhaps

[bright veldt]

It depends. We don’t really know rn.

[unkempt apex]

Like this

[heady thunder]

Hope not, very ugly.

[covert lintel]

possible

[covert lintel]

anyone got a good argentavis skeletal?

[clever sable]

Idk if they are good but I have these

[bright veldt]

Here’s a size comparison by dragonthunders if you need all the feathery bits

[spice cave]

Hello i have a paleo question: Is there such a thing as a dino that looks like a utahraptor but has horns?

[hallow spear]

No, majungasaurus is prolly the closet

[bright veldt]

I mean Ceratosaurus I guess? At least that boy still has arms.

[clever sable]

No, not really, ceratosaurus, carnotaurus and majungasaurus are like the only ones to have horns and I don't even think the crests of ceratosaurus count

[spice cave]

thanks for replying lads.

[lavish frigate]

What counts as a horn? If the abelisaur horns count i would say that Tyrannosaur cranial ornamentation could count.

[pearl briar]

giga and mapu looks like a younger brother (mapu) that taller than his older brother (giga)

[steady rock]

hot take but larger dinosaurs were probably alot more colorful then we give them credit for, they dont have the same limitations that large mammal's do

[tiny holly]

Yes and no, mammals aren't as capable of getting as colourful as reptiles generally speaking. It just seems to be something we lack the ability to do. However producing pigment is expensive, and the bigger you are the more expensive that is. And the more vibrant and patterned you are the more expensive that is

[storm heron]

Do we really have enough material from every Giganotosaurin to conclude that they were more or less very similar to each other?

[bright veldt]

That's kind of the reason why we say that. It's the curse.

Like outside of acro, they're all basically identical.

[keen forum]

he's big

[slow marsh]

Mapusaurus is big on Falcon's scaling because amount of cartilage in legs, if u gonna update Dan's Giga cartilage wouldn't it get bigger too?

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-ok-gif-24916105

[stiff osprey]

I will compare Mapusaurus with cartilage to Giganotosaurus without cartilage because I like it more

[unborn bane]

@silver canopy Please don't post paleo memes here, refer to the pinned messages in every channel you plan to use.

[chilly knot]

Based

[steady rock]

pick a contient that isnt australia, africa or south america

[compact leaf]

europe

[steady rock]

does that have a ceratopsian

actually, that dosent matter

does it have a tyrannosaurid?

[stiff osprey]

no

[steady rock]

i thought it did, what

[stiff osprey]

Tyrannosauroid, maybe

Tyrannosaurids are exclusive to north america and like two places in asia

[steady rock]

ooh, what was the tyrannosauriod?

[stiff osprey]

Yutyrannus, Guanlong, funky crested guys

they also include the taxa that look identical to tyrannosaurids but aren't

[steady rock]

didnt those live in asia?

[stiff osprey]

Yuty and Guanlong are asian, Moros and Dryptosaurus are north american, Santanaraptor is south american

[bright veldt]

Tyrannosauroids are a whole lineage that includes tyrannosaurids. They've been found on basically every continent but Africa and Antarctica

[stiff osprey]

Eotyrannus and Juratyrant are european

[bright veldt]

Timimus in Australia. Megaraptorans are probably tyrannosauroids as well.

[steady rock]

i wonder why ceratopsians werent as wide spread

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/we-just-dont-know-yet-howards-wenke-being-the-ricardos-were-not-sure-yet-its-still-undetermined-gif-24211984

[stiff osprey]

Skill issue

[pearl briar]

shut up random 😔

[stiff osprey]

Ceratopsians are poor swimmers so that probably was one of the reasons

[pearl briar]

ah

[steady rock]

is sinoceratops the only centrosaurine/chasmosaurine outside of north america?

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-mayyybbee-may-be-gif-18311064

[compact leaf]

it seems like they found another one recently but off the top of my head yeah it's the only one

[bright veldt]

Only ceratopsid yeah.

[sullen cairn]

If you want to count that potential African megaraptoran as a tyrannosauroid there’s an African one

[pearl briar]

i want name

[sullen cairn]

Unnamed

[steady rock]

great name

[pearl briar]

you dissapoint me

[sullen cairn]

It’s just a centrum or something iirc

[pearl briar]

poor thang

[sullen cairn]

Plus African megaraptorans would make sense

They’re in the rest of gondwana bar India/Madagascar

Actually megaraptoran vitakridrinda still sounds funny so I’ll include that too (totally credible)

[steady rock]

i need the top 3 largest pro-sauropods

[sullen cairn]

um elliot biped's largest but after that idk
maybe yunnan and ledumahadi?

[compact leaf]

that sounds right to me

[steady rock]

whats elliot biped

[compact leaf]

it's undescribed but it's very big

[sullen cairn]

giant bipedal thing from lower elliot formation
undescribed but there's an abstract on it

[steady rock]

man, why does it take brain power to think about non famous non american dinosaurs?

[sullen cairn]

because half of em are morrison or hell creek

[steady rock]

technically, africa is connected to europe and asia meaning, their also on the table for dinosaur selection

think harder not smarter

[sullen cairn]

africa and south america had pretty similar fauna from the jurassic-cretaceous

[steady rock]

like spinosaurids?

[compact leaf]

I think ledumahadi takes it for weight in stuff that we've described but idk what would be after that, there might be a few plateosaurus specimens bigger than yunnano too

[sullen cairn]

yeah africa europe north america and south america all had generally similar animals at the end of the jurassic, and in the cretaceous south america/africa was spinosaurids and carchs, followed by abelisaurids (and maybe megaraptorans)

australia is australia and has nothing in the cretaceous outside of like aptian-cenomanian deposits

[compact leaf]

yeah sauropods are the big area where they start to differ during the cretacous

[sullen cairn]

diplodicids and megalosaurids also held on for a bit in the cretaceous in south america which is neat

[compact leaf]

north america loses the rebbachisaurids but in south america and africa they hang on for a very long time and just refuse to change

it's entirely possible there are rebbachisaurids even later we just don't really have the rock in places where we would expect to find them

which is a somewhat common and gut wrenching theme with a few groups

[sullen cairn]

obligatory cuttlefish brachiosaurid ghost lineage

[compact leaf]

I know I say it a lot but trust me I'm not crazy

I wasn't even gonna say it this time

[steady rock]

would torvo be considered a sauropod hunter, a armored prey hunter or both?

[compact leaf]

juvenile sauropods would be a big part of its diet just considering what it lived with

[steady rock]

ummm, giraffititan?

[stiff osprey]

Sauropod hunter 100%

[sullen cairn]

I am not crazy. I knew loeuff et al swapped those libyan teeth. I knew it was a brachiosaurid, didn't have constriction between the root and crown. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot in Tripoli to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That caudal in Mexico! Are you telling me that a giant caudal just happens to be a lambeosaurine? No! He orchestrated it!

[stiff osprey]

Magnapaulia is a brachiosaur after all...

[compact leaf]

this is going to be me looking for the late surviving brachiosaurids before big paleo puts me down for getting too close

[steady rock]

i have a question, would prosauropods fill the niche of sauropods or hadrosaurids or like, kinda their own niche ig

[sullen cairn]

you will be dearly missed after you disappear go on sabbatical

[compact leaf]

I can only hope someone will finish my work and put and end to big paleo when I’m gone

[sullen cairn]

and start the cycle all over again...

[steady rock]

answer my question https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/919268875806322799.webp?size=48&name=w_&quality=lossless

[compact leaf]

they’d be the only high browsers around so sort of a blend of those two things, they could low browse if they wanted but if that wasn’t an option high browsing was only available to them

[steady rock]

so like, therinosaurus?

[compact leaf]

no therizinosaurs don’t seem to have been doing much if any low browsing

[steady rock]

oh, so like hadrosaurs?

also, did torvo live with dace or sauropod necked stegosaurid

[compact leaf]

torvo was in morrison and lourinha both of which have a dacentrurine, for lourinha it’s miragaia for the morrison it’s something very similar

it’s worth mentioning the morrison is a massive formation that spans a decent chunk of time so just because something is in the morrison doesn’t guarantee torvo would see it, so take that with a grain of salt

[steady rock]

isnt miragaia having a long neck kinda counter-intuitive?

[compact leaf]

in what way?

[steady rock]

because like, its not high up like a sauoropods, so wouldnt it be easier to basically just, you know, strangle it if your like, a torvo or whatever

[compact leaf]

it still gives a wider feeding range and it probably had ways to make sure it wasn’t getting strangled all the time

[steady rock]

like its spikes?

[woeful falcon]

Not all products of evolution are necessarily a tactic of defense

[rose gate]

Is Sauroposeidon still considered a super Brachiosaurid?
Or not anymore?

[viscid surge]

What’s that diplodocid thing with the really stubby neck deep body and long tail?

[astral kelp]

Brachytrachelopan?

[viscid surge]

Yeah thats the one ty

[wispy summit]

Are there any good barsboldia skeletals?

[astral kelp]

Doesn’t seem to be sadly, idk if this helps though

[wispy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

It's better than nothing

[bright veldt]

Sauroposeidon is just outside of titanosauria. No longer a brachiosaur.

[hallow spear]

theres a singular one

[hallow spear]

Its a Somphospondylian to be specific

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/askers-where-who-gif-24612724

[heady thunder]

I dont even want to count this, the entire bars is missing

[bright veldt]

Who even is that

[heady thunder]

Some 5 m abelisaur, it can be anything

[astral kelp]

Kurupi

[main peak]

Well, searching Kurupi in google got me some interesting results...

100% do not recommend

To put it this way, the abelisaurid's full name is Kurupi itaata, which can be translated as "rock-hard god of sex". Tupi mythology is worse than Reddit apparently

[wispy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[heady thunder]

Dino names have gone to sh#t

[viscid surge]

Fr fr

[viscid surge]

Hol on what

Just googled it who names these things man, we need like, a committee to moderate this stuff at this point

[frail robin]

Bro paleontologists should have stuck with pointing out a cool feature of the dinosaur and adding a "saurus" in the end wth

[main peak]

Lol I like the use of local mythologies and such, but this one is a bit strange

"Insert famous person's name" o saurus gets old

[frail robin]

Austroposeidon is a cool name because Poseidon was the god of earthquakes and Asutroposeidon itself is a huge, huge animal, but like...

[heady thunder]

Bro, thats a 800 kg abelisaur with 2 bones to its name, to be a theropod god of sex you at least need to be like 3 tons.

[main peak]

Well, it's remains were found near a love hotel

And the "rock" part is referring to the rocks of the Monte Alto region.

[light osprey]

We need a proper skeletal

[astral kelp]

Hi

[viscid surge]

We should consider ourselves lucky there isn’t one in the middle of hell creek then 💀

[keen forum]

hmmm saurolo

[red willow]

Which species of ornithomimus was present in dinosaur park formation?

[compact leaf]

as far as I know it's still just called Ornithomimus sp.

it's also regarded as possibly being a species of struthiomimus but I don't know if that's still the thinking

[red willow]

Do you know if it was closer in size to O. velox or O. Edmonticus?

[compact leaf]

I'm not really sure to be perfectly honest, I just know it was all in O. velox before it got backed off to just ornithomimus sp. until more work can be done

[red willow]

Thanks

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/banging-head-against-wall-cracked-facewall-banging-head-on-wall-stick-man-gif-26257471

[frosty anvil]

Thats like almost as bad as ornithologists naming a woodpecker a red bellied woodpecker despite it not having a red belly (red capped is right there just use it)

[clever sable]

That's more than what sarcosuchus has 😔

[broken inlet]

Carno be like: You guys still love me right?

[steady rock]

where there any groups of dinosaurs that WERENT tyrannosauriods that specalized in armored prey?

[bright veldt]

Tyrannosauroids didn’t specialize in armored prey either. They just do what works.

Also can’t really define “specialist” among such predators either unless it’s something very specific. IE spinosaurs with fish, masiakosaurus with burrowing animals etc.

[broken inlet]

Well yeah you’re right cuz tarbo was almost the exact same as T. Rex except it had a lock jaw mechanic to lock onto prey with bites

[bright veldt]

That’s not true. I’ve never even heard of this before.

Regardless, they still show neither is really specialized for armored prey. Tarbosaurus mostly preyed on hadrosaurs and sauropods. Tyrannosaurus had more armored prey on its menu like triceratops, but afawk hadrosaurs were still the favorite.

[compact leaf]

yeah they were somewhat generalistic which makes sense, if you move slightly north or south in the case of rex you start running into pretty different prey populations

[sullen cairn]

tarbosaurus has an interlocking dentary and angular to make its mandible more rigid

the jaws themselves don't lock

[light osprey]

How are the the choice prey item, they are about as populace as Tyrannosaurus itself

[bright veldt]

I’m assuming you mean how is trike not. First of all, we can’t actually say trike is the most common herbivore cause preservation bias. Second, trike was still eaten by rex. Edmonto was just eaten more.

[heady thunder]

What proof is there that edmonto or trike was eaten more?

[sullen cairn]

iirc the hell creek census didn’t conclude preservation bias was a significant factor between trike/rex/edmonto numbers

[light osprey]

Based on what. There’s no isotope study for Tyrannosaurus diets

[scarlet moon]

I wonder what it's favourite would be? Hmm I'll have some Edmonto now and maybe some trike tomorrow

[bright veldt]

A combination of the evidence and common sense? It seemed to be a general trend with tyrannosauridae in general to prefer hadrosaurs wherever they coexist

[heady thunder]

Whats the evidence on that?

[sullen cairn]

afaik kirtlandian/judithian hadrosaurs were substantially larger than contemporary ceratopsians and similar in size to if not larger than contemporary tyrannosaurids which you don't really see in the lancian.

[rose thorn]

Hadrosaurs are usually far larger than their ceratopsid neighbors regardless of locale tbh

[sullen cairn]

they're a lot closer in size in lanican formations

i don't think there's a solid average trike mass but I'd imagine it's pretty similar to that of edmonto

[rose thorn]

Fair, it just so happens that Edmonto has the potential to be FAR larger on a more consistent basis

[sullen cairn]

Yeah but exceptional individuals will hardly play into broader regular prey selection

Plus tarbo’s a bad comparison because it didn’t even live with ceratopsians

[rose thorn]

Inb4 Sinoceratops was somehow in Nemegt

[sullen cairn]

Obviously sinoceratops is absent from nemegt because if it were present it’d have to be called mongoliaceratops

[rose thorn]

But it was discovered in China first, and no, it'd be Gobiceratops

[sullen cairn]

Good point it should become mongoliasinoceratops instead

Plus gobiceratops is preoccupied

[little mauve]

The Hell Creek census definitely has some collection bias going on, the percentages for associated/articulated specimens was pretty different from total isolated specimens. Either way the authors concluded that wholesale judgements on diversity from either were impossible.

[rose thorn]

I do find it incredibly curious how Sinoceratops is the only asiatic ceratopsid thus far. I feel there has to be at least one sort of larger transitional species

[sullen cairn]

Especially when we have two tyrannosaurids living with it

And I doubt either was particularly keen on going after shant bar juveniles

[bright veldt]

Two? What’s the other aside from Zhucheng?

[sullen cairn]

Undescribed guy

[bright veldt]

Ah ok. First time hearing of it.

[little mauve]

I think there's some for sure hidden ceratopsid diversity in Asia

[sullen cairn]

Hone mentions it in the zhucheng description and there’s an abstract from like 10 years ago on it too

[compact leaf]

it seems like there’s probably a lot of hidden diversity in asia, lots of odd balls that just sort of pop out of nowhere

[sullen cairn]

Apparently it’s pretty similar to tarbosaurus

[little mauve]

What's the current status of Turanoceratops? It isn't large but iirc is more derived than Zuniceratops, and from Uzbekistan

[sullen cairn]

Like immediately basal to ceratopsia I think

[heady thunder]

Turano? That sounds likea cheese name

[compact leaf]

iirc it’s more derived than zuni but still not a ceratopsid

[sullen cairn]

Turanoceratops when 1t dromaeosaur

[little mauve]

That's what I thought, so yeah these lineages were just as much in Asia at the right time to give rise to true ceratopsids

[compact leaf]

when huh now

[little mauve]

Yeah there is a big mother dromaeosaur in Bissekty

[sullen cairn]

Bissiekty has a giant dromaeosaur phalange + ulughbegsaurus is probably a dromaeosaur

[stiff osprey]

Hm yes. I find it very believable that there was one T.rex for every two Edmontosaurus

[sullen cairn]

Yeah in hindsight a population census might not be the best idea for assorted rocks found in the ground

[little mauve]

Isolated material, which is probably a less biased collection, put tyrannosauridae at 4.1%

[stiff osprey]

yeah i was gonna say

[little mauve]

& hadrosauridae at 46.3

Small theropods were much more well represented among the isolated material which is interesting imo

[stiff osprey]

eleven hadrosaurs per tyrannosaur is a functional ecosystem, though still well above modern predator:prey ratios

[clever sable]

How large was dreadnoughtus?

[compact leaf]

40 tons is the accepted weight rn I believe

[light osprey]

What other Laramidian groups can be deferred to for this

[bright veldt]

The subadult specimen we have is 27 meters and 28 tons. 30 meters and 40 tons seems to just be the generally accepted number for how people depict adults.

[clever sable]

So prehistoric planets dread is massively oversized, didn't they call it the biggest terrestrial animal or something insane?

[bright veldt]

They didn’t actually. It was pretty on point. The big old bull was 50 tons but that’s well within the line of individual variation.

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-cristiano-ronaldo-ronaldo-manchester-ronaldo-celebration-ronaldo-siuu-gif-23665859

[clever sable]

What am I thinking of then, maybe I'm thinking of the Alamo

[sullen cairn]

Wasn’t the gdi like 50t for the holotype even if it’s kinda fat

[light osprey]

Context appropriate siuu gif hopefully the admins do not take it away

[bright veldt]

They said the Nemegt titan might be the largest animal ever. I’m pretty sure they said alamo is the largest in NA specifically, which for the time period was true.

[sullen cairn]

25t Mongolian titan

[compact leaf]

the mongolian titan is also a footprint

[bright veldt]

Yeah

[clever sable]

What was the largest NA animal ever? Giraffatitan? Sauropeidon?

[bright veldt]

If you don’t believe in Maraapunisurus than it’s Brachiosaurus

[compact leaf]

yeah

and maraapunisaurus is not to be trusted so I default to brachi

[clever sable]

I do not believe in maraapunisaurus (I mean, it may have been real but if it is the measurements are probably greatly exaggerated)

[compact leaf]

alamo might also have it but it’s hard to say, brachi is colossal but it’s also got that classic brachiosaurid lankiness

[light osprey]

Pertaining to said Alamosaurus I remember Hartman’s big ole’ estimate was used for the specific mass estimate they referred to.

[bright veldt]

Alamosaurus atm seems to be around Dread size

[compact leaf]

larramendi had a go at alamo so it got downsized

[clever sable]

And maraapunisaurus has that classic Giant sauropod dubious-ness

10/10 totally real

[compact leaf]

sauro still has height but there’s definitely some scaling re-evaluation and a deeper taxonomic analysis that needs to be done, if sauro gets shorter brachi takes height

[clever sable]

This even uses the wrong neck

[compact leaf]

somphospondylia is a bit of a mess

[bright veldt]

Maraa can really vary cause we don’t know exactly wtf it is.

Like, it’s kind of hard to take it being a rebbachisaur at face value, given it’d both be the only Jurassic and only NA member of its lineage

But even if you do take it at face value, how would you reconstruct it? Just how basal would it be? Would it look like a large rebachisaur or be more basic?

[clever sable]

That's if it's even real

The only somewhat legitimate argument I can believe about it being real is that Marsh never called Cope out accusing it of being fake which I feel like he would have done but other than that it's super dubious

[little mauve]

32 m morrison rebbachisaurid let's go

[compact leaf]

the safest bet with fragmentary rebbachisaurids is to make it a limaysaurus clone, that’s basically what they all are anyway

[clever sable]

Maraapunisaurus is definitely the most interesting of all the dubious giant sauropods

Although bruhathkayosaurus is more likely to be real

[sullen cairn]

Bruathkayosaurus is my favorite abelisaur

[bright veldt]

That one’s a lot easier cause we can just say it’s the size of Argentinosaurus and be done with it. There’s no confusion.

[vocal breach]

Bro obviously the gray squirrel is the largest sauropod

[clever sable]

Yeah, although if the measurements are correct it would likely be larger maybe idk but the measurements literally cannot be verified sooooooooooooooo

[light osprey]

Indian taxon try not to be dubious challenge (impossible)

[sullen cairn]

Bruhathkayosaurus is just a cooler Lametasaurus at this point

[bright veldt]

Yeah that’s the thing. We don’t have enough so just being able to say “it’s around argentino size” is fine and dandy.

[clever sable]

You know what giant dubious animal never gets enough love? Hector's icthyosaur, it supposedly had a vertebrae with a diameter of 457 mm or something insane like that

[sullen cairn]

The ilium would be pretty large for an Indian theropod as well

[bright veldt]

Oh that reminds me, speaking of big bois

[sullen cairn]

(I’m too lazy to check larramendi’s indosuchus skull roof scaling)

[bright veldt]

https://twitter.com/TyrantLzrdQueen/status/1704166230561628364?s=19

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[light osprey]

Giant Indian Abelisaur 💯

[sullen cairn]

The best thing about bruthath

[clever sable]

Looks like some sorta icthyosaur or pliosaur

[sullen cairn]

I think that’s leviathan in the picture

[bright veldt]

It’s a mosasaur. I thought it was an ichthyosaur as well but the paleontologist tweeting this is a mosasaur gal.

[light osprey]

New taxon?

[clever sable]

Possible new biggest mosasaur? Or maybe they are just deviating from what they usually do

[bright veldt]

Yeah, also the image of the leviathan is there sooo…friggin massive, named after leviathan, or both

[tough parcel]

The nickname’s pretty funny and certainly not after Leviathan

[light osprey]

So it’s a new thing

[clever sable]

2023 has been an exciting year for paleontology, we almost not really but kinda for a second got a new biggest animal, giganotosaurus dentary specimen thingy happened, Bertha is likely getting described and that may or may not (probably not) be the new biggest rex, bruhathkayosaurus was in a paper for some reason, PHP2 came out (kinda Paleo related idk) irritator jaw paper came out, so much stuff I feel like

[light osprey]

Every year is exciting 💅

[clever sable]

Yeah, last year we got meraxes, Serenos spinosaurus paper and tonnes of other stuff

[bright veldt]

Shoutout to that one paper for presenting evidence of human-related megafauna extinctions in the ice age that aren’t “we eated them all”. Also purucetus

[light osprey]

Do we have any other information on this leviathan other than Mosasaur? Do we know where it hails from stratigraphically

[tough parcel]

From ur mom OHHHHHH

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/trollszn123-ronaldo-gif-18268194

[sullen cairn]

bad news larramendi's indosuchus scaling might actually be kinda credible

[terse flower]

There are artificial intelligences in the game because I'm new and I don't want to starve in solo mode

[sullen cairn]

a loving god wouldn't permit this

[viscid surge]

This chat turning from paleo chat to total chaos in mere moments after your post:

[viscid surge]

What am I meant to be looking at? I don’t really understand what this means now that I look at it

[sullen cairn]

Majungatholus and indosuchus skull roofs

[viscid surge]

Ok

[sullen cairn]

It’s like 20% wider than the majungasaurus and that thing’s already 8m

[light osprey]

Can we study an Indian dinosaur that isn’t an Abelisaur

[sullen cairn]

No

i hope we're all willing to submit to our new indosuchus overlords

I knew i shouldn't have trusted that composite skull

[light osprey]

At the very least has Laevisuchus remained a Noasaurid

[sullen cairn]

The 38412 axial series nosaurids of huene and matley

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-gif-24718162

[sullen cairn]

poor thing would've been getting eaten by the disgustingly large indosuchus as well

God I hate that thing

[stiff osprey]

Start scaling by length right now

[compact leaf]

I’m going to pull a larramendi and start scaling fragmentary sauropods based off teeth that they don’t have

I’ve been having nightmares about 40 ton rebbachisaurus ever since you told me about that

[sullen cairn]

anterior frontal seems incomplete

and skull roof length has the worst isometry ever (skull width is probably just as bad but idk)

[clever sable]

Sarcosuchus is cool, I still believe that it may have possibly used a death roll to break up prey but also maybe not (probably only for eating though)

[sullen cairn]

wait skrl actually seems to have good isometry i just can't read

[sullen cairn]

alright if someone who knows more about cranial anatomy could help a) is the red on the sutures between the frontals and parietals and b) what is cmf

[keen forum]

long mapu by @stiff osprey

[storm heron]

I remember seeing someone do a skull recon on Indosuchus (it was less elongated/'Megalosaurid' like than the one we usually see).

[pearl briar]

I still don't agree with mapusaurus being only 12-12.7 meters long and 6.9-7.9 tons (rounded to 7-8 tons)

[bright veldt]

Yknow what I said about Dreadnaughtus being like 40 tons? Yeah I was a lyer

[sullen cairn]

yeah the gdi's 50t

[bright veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477605107572277249/1133275613101293671/IMG_7447.png

[sullen cairn]

any idea where?

[pearl briar]

so
talkin abt sauropod
what happened to Amphicoelias?

[bright veldt]

Both turned to dust

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[clever sable]

Didn't the maker of that make it extra wide or add extra soft tissue or something?

[bright veldt]

Gunnar's the most reliable skeletal maker of sauropods afaik

[sullen cairn]

it's kinda fat below the ischium but that shouldn't make it that much heavier

[compact leaf]

gunnar is basically the most reliable for sauropod but there's a few out there that have skeletals I prefer over his

[clever sable]

Hmmmmm, interesting, I was talking about that skeletal earlier in another server and I was told it was unreliable (although tbh I wasn't fully sure because my sauropod knowledge is basically non existent)

[sullen cairn]

^

[compact leaf]

by and large he's good but read a bit into it with pretty much any sauropod skeletal

[clever sable]

Like I know literally nothing about sauropods

[bright veldt]

The last skeletal ik that exists of dreadnaughtus is randomdinos, and sauropod anatomy has changed a fair bit in the past 5 years so that's more reliable regardless of if it's slightly chubby

[compact leaf]

hartmans you have to be really careful with, he has a tendency to weirdly shorten vertebrae on some species

[clever sable]

His nigersaurus is ridiculous looking

[flat obsidian]

tiny dino

[compact leaf]

his brachiosaurus is one of the ones in particular I take issue with, granted it's a fragmentary animal but he puts it together really weird and I think some of his measurements are off

[compact leaf]

hartman that is, I haven't seen gunnars enough to have much of an opinion

[clever sable]

That's what I get for getting information from a dinosaur game server dev? Community manager? Idk

Anyways point is I know nothing about sauropods

[compact leaf]

sauropods are my specialty but there's some weights I should keep up with better, with titanosaurs that's just hard to do sometimes

[clever sable]

This guy is cool

[compact leaf]

that and I find all of my information on my own I'm not in any servers for it

[sullen cairn]

me when sauropodmorpha is deader than 2.0

[storm heron]

Found it

By Hellckan in Deviant Art.

[clever sable]

The dubious duo

[storm heron]

Its the second one from the left side, in the row with the Majungasaurus skull.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/76ad/66ba5a640885c8618ddca6e6d7574800b174.pdf

They used this paper^

[chilly knot]

I agree, it should be 15 tonnes and 18m

(I'm biased)

[clever sable]

The Titanic trio

[pearl briar]

isn't bruhath is just a wood?
ehh idk

[clever sable]

No, but it's still dubious, both maraapunisaurus and bruhathkayosaurus are dubious

[compact leaf]

it's not wood anymore there are actual pictures of the dig site, that being said the fossils are gone and the measurements are not to be trusted

all we can really say about it is that it was a probably large maybe sauropod (even the sauropod part has been called into question)

[clever sable]

We can only hope to find more but seeing as massive sauropods very rarely preserve it's highly unlikely

[clever sable]

Why? That's the range given in like virtually every estimate

[pearl briar]

because...
personal reason

[clever sable]

Personal bias/opinions isn't a valid reason to say no it's not that big

[pearl briar]

i dissapoint myself 😔

[clever sable]

Anyways what were you typing when I switched topics to mapu?

[pearl briar]

Argentino 🔛🔝

[clever sable]

Yes, because virtually everything else that might be bigger is dubious (except maybe that 1 giant supersaurus vertebrae but that's fragmentary and unreliable iirc)

[keen forum]

he be skinner giga

[pearl briar]

nah he's more like giga's taller younger brother

[sullen cairn]

indosuchus update: god is dead, all is permissable

[onyx sedge]

Does anyone have a accurate skeletal argy? idk if this is completely accurate so ye

[bright veldt]

This is accurate yeah

[onyx sedge]

Oh nice

[pearl briar]

you don't say that i can't ride argy

[onyx sedge]

Probably not

[pearl briar]

i have enough with ARK lies

[storm heron]

Thats a human (possibly heavier) sized flying giant

[astral kelp]

Palaeoloxodon namadicus:

[light osprey]

Erm Maastrichtian specifically, my bad silly 🙃

[covert lintel]

never believe ARK on any topic, ever

[sullen cairn]

ceratosaurid eoabelisaurus skull is honestly such a mood and i love it

[storm heron]

It is yea

[lavish frigate]

Well I guess dinosaurs don’t exist or people or trees…..or dirt….or plants….or animals….oh my…..

Quite the can of worms there….

[covert lintel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality

[lavish frigate]

Is that a wiki article on reality

[nocturne gazelle]

We all know that wikipedia is an unreliable source. Reality is false.

Metri is undersized in game correct?
What about cerato?

[sullen cairn]

bit of a disparity between in-game

[nocturne gazelle]

Got a pic of the in game models next to the unity human or anything?

[nocturne gazelle]

Thank you very much!

Man if that's metri and cerato... alio must be a giant

[woeful falcon]

Is there a reason these were taken while in motion lol

[nocturne gazelle]

How do you get these photos btw?

[sullen cairn]

just screenshots from this put together https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahk1aPOxJs

[nocturne gazelle]

Oh awesome

[sullen cairn]

it's all one shot so the scale's the same

[nocturne gazelle]

Actually based yt video

And based Table for sharing it

[woeful falcon]

Now I wonder how ptb metri fairs 🤔

[nocturne gazelle]

Ptb metri is just under alio so around there

[sullen cairn]

what'd ptb metra do
i haven't left this channel in months

[tough parcel]

PTB Metri’s now the 2nd largest carnivore in game, right in front of T.rex

[nocturne gazelle]

Size increase don't tell on us for spilling the beans

[sullen cairn]

omg 😯

[woeful falcon]

Yeah what falcon said is definitely true

[tough parcel]

I make it my mission to tell the people the truth…my truth 👍

[sullen cairn]

too bad falcon couldn't pull what stego did today with the mapu estimate

[tough parcel]

I cry every time, I was too busy watching capybara mukbang videos

[sullen cairn]

one day it'll happen don't worry

[nocturne gazelle]

I will say that video is a bit outdated with remodels and such. Campto is bigger now for example. Though I don't believe the remodels affected any other dinos size.

[sullen cairn]

yeah that does seem larger than current metri

[nocturne gazelle]

Not by too much but it's noticable

[sullen cairn]

seems almost as long as alio too

[nocturne gazelle]

Yep

[pearl briar]

what is the inaccurasies on pot rex?
i forgor

[nocturne gazelle]

I think the inaccuracies are mostly related to its head/face structure, though I'm not knowledgeable enough to specify what in particular is wrong.

[sudden wind]

Did you scale them correctly to scale bar?

The black bar for Argent and Bruha are both 1 meter

[ripe wedge]

mostly the head
PT modded rex has a accurate head if you wish to see the difference

[white matrix]

New ancestral gator species dropped: Alligator munensis

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-36559-6

Likely closely related to the Chinese alligator, if this is correct.

[white matrix]

Very interesting implications on the potential diet of ancestral crocodilians and alligatoroids.

[clever sable]

Does anyone here know how large the largest triceratops was?

[vocal breach]

I think I’m the 8 ton range if I remember correctly

[bronze storm]

Anyone here have a goof reference for sauropod heads

[compact leaf]

what kind of sauropod?

[radiant cliff]

Argentinosaurus one shots your favourite megatheropod 🗣️

[heady thunder]

The cooldowns are trash, it would never land a hit

[radiant cliff]

Bro there are no cooldowns irl💀

[heady thunder]

Gravity would like a word with that, try being 90 tons and moving the same as someone thats 10

[sinful jackal]

argent now NO longer 1 shots everything, it leaves barsboldia with the slightest sliver of health 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[radiant cliff]

I meant irl🗣️

[vocal breach]

Guys I need information about the T.Rex vs Nanotyrannus debate that happened I’m making a presentation

[stark pasture]

Nanotyrannus is just a juvi Tyrannosaurus. The whole reason the debate started is because Nanotyrannus bones looked very different than an adult Tyrannosaurus. We do have quite alot of adults but not so much juvi tyrannosaurs even less in the growth stage that the Nanotyrannus bones were apart of iirc.

[clever sable]

@noble steeple

[noble steeple]

ah ty ty

[pearl briar]

guys
i have enough
is it pteranodon sternbergi or geosternbergia sternbergi???

[compact leaf]

geosternbergia is valid right now I believe

[sullen cairn]

splitting new genera based on stratigraphy 👍

witton has a good blogpost on the whole thing
http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-pteranodon-complex-and-dismantling.html

[white matrix]

Anyone wanna discuss Paleontology in vc>

[clever sable]

Why not just discuss it here?

[white matrix]

Cuz I'm bored and also I got my internet up and running

So I can finally vc

[light osprey]

Common Witton W

[lavish frigate]

Good it’s better in every imaginable way. It deserves it

[woeful falcon]

Well its not like it would get clapped entirely. Would just be Pteranodon sternbergi

[sullen cairn]

"geosternbergi stenbergi" is a stupid name anyways

[lavish frigate]

geosternbergia supremacy

Anyway…has anyone been talking about gorgosaurus tragic fading into invalid land?

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dave-chappelle-what-confused-gif-10721560

[lavish frigate]

You question geosternbergia???

[light osprey]

Uh, yes

[lavish frigate]

Why 🫵

[light osprey]

because I just read the Witton blog

[rose thorn]

You mean pteranodon?

[lavish frigate]

I will send this comically fast shunosaurus after you thou will be the pterosaur….

[rose thorn]

It’s Pteranodon

[light osprey]

Only homie who can escape Pteranodon is Tethydraco 😎

[lavish frigate]

Wait if only tethy can escape pteranodon….

All life on earth is pteranodon…..

[light osprey]

Yes

[rose thorn]

Geo is only separate cause funny name, diff crest, and stratigraphic differences. Those last two aren’t really significant enough to make a whole new genus

There may be more significant differences, such as P.sternbergi having a far deeper and straighter beak, but they haven’t been examined well enough

[light osprey]

Don’t we just love Pteranodontian taxonomy 🗣️

[lavish frigate]

I wish we lived in a perfect world….gorgosaurus would be valid. raptorrex would be banished to heck with troodon. Geo would be loved by all. And tarbosaurus would be it’s own genus without any debate whatsoever

[rose thorn]

Yesn’t. There’s literally thousands of pteranodon specimens and yet most of them aren’t described well enough

[light osprey]

Glad we have all reached a consensus then

Gotta love a good ghost lineage. Waiting for the Pterodactyloid material in Antarctica to be Pteranodontian, wouldn’t that be lovely

[astral kelp]

Pain and suffering

[indigo haven]

I love nigersaurus

[lavish frigate]

Ok so anyway….apparently there’s a paper that made tarbo Rex again? And raptorrex valid….and gorgo invalid….next trike will be toro

[woeful falcon]

It sounds like this comes from something someone told you rather than from the paper itself or an abstract

[sullen cairn]

gorgo and alberto being different genera or not doesn't really matter too

[lavish frigate]

Admittedly yes💀 although I’d say said person was pretty trustworthy.

[lavish frigate]

Yes it does….in my heart and in no other context

[sullen cairn]

no like actually it barely effects anything

[lavish frigate]

It affects my emotions. Other then that nothing else

[sullen cairn]

on the bright side that means your emotions can take priority with little bearing on everything else

[woeful falcon]

To further clarify, its not something like "the paper made tarbo rex" or "gorgo invalid". Tarbosaurus wouldn't be rex, it would be Tyrannosaurus bataar, still its own species, its own animal. Likewise, Gorgosaurus would be synonymized as Albertosaurus libratus, its own species still, a different animal. And as Table said, it barely effects anything.

[lavish frigate]

Ok i should have used better wording. I always call Tyrannosaurus Just “rex” instead of Tyrannosaurus

And yes they are their own distinct fascinating animals

[woeful falcon]

I've come to understand that genera can be fairly subjective, whether Gorgosaurus is its own genus or Albertosaurus libratus can boil down to if they think its different enough

And to that I say, whatever's easier. I like Gorgosaurus as its own more though so that's what I'm sticking to lol

[sullen cairn]

gorgosaurus sounds cool so it's a seperate genus

[lavish frigate]

This is my mindset exactly

That’s why it only matters in my heart. Gorgosaurus my beloved

[sullen cairn]

real

[woeful falcon]

Need this rule instated officially

Just for gorgosaurus

[sullen cairn]

if they can kill manospondylus they can kill albertosaurus in the worst case scenario

[woeful falcon]

Maybe if they shut up about albertosaurus for 50 years we'll luck out

Actually I don't even think that rule would apply because its not total synonymy

[sullen cairn]

there's probably some dumb bullcrap you could pull with the incrassatus dryptosaurus laelaps holotype thing and pretend albertosaurus isn't valid

allowing the sigma gorgosaurus to move in and create gorgosaurus sarcophagus which sounds too metal to not be a thing

[woeful falcon]

Or you could just kinda go the route of not acknowledging it and continuing the status quo

[sullen cairn]

but this is the only way to gorgosaurus sarcophagus

[lavish frigate]

The paleo community needs gorgosaurus sarcophagus as president. Or as a band name

[sullen cairn]

flesh eating dreadful lizard is so much better than flesh eating alberta lizard

[woeful falcon]

I choose to let the sleeping bear sleep

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/poke-bear-dont-gif-19133553

[sullen cairn]

gorgosaurus hoglundi

[stuck chasm]

@tidal hare Hello, please create a forum post for your issue here https://canary.discord.com/channels/537375400867659875/1150510168073850971 and a moderator will help you shortly

[lavish frigate]

Ah darn the emu told them first. I was gonna do it lol

[tidal hare]

Are you somebody that could perhaps help me? It says it wants me to tag somebody but I have no idea what to do and the people that gives me to pick from it still won't let me make the post

[lavish frigate]

No I’m sorry I’m not. I’d just go with what the alderon emu said up there and open a thing in the forums. If that doesn’t work idk. Sorry 💔

[tidal hare]

Oh!! Never mind I think it's okay now... It seems all my PC needed was a restart so far...lol thank goodness I was not in the mood to deal with an issue lol

[storm heron]

Gorgosaurus or Albertosaurus? I only see Tyrannosaurus libratus and Tyrannosaurus sarcophagus.

[lavish frigate]

Aaaaah ok well good 👍 hope it stays ok

[tidal hare]

Thank you very much

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[shut merlin]

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/660033

[kind narwhal]

What's the current height of sauraposiden

[white matrix]

Uh let me check

So if you want height it's 20-23 feet length 92-110 feet

[kind narwhal]

Wait, how is it so small now?

[tulip dove]

20-23 feet is probably at the shoulder, I don't know that much about Sauroposeidon but I deff know that it was far taller if you count the neck

[white matrix]

Yeah it was at the shoulder

[light osprey]

Can be in excess of 15 metres tall at the head I think

[tulip dove]

And afaik, this is the best Sauroposeidon skeletal at the moment

[kind narwhal]

Oh, I thought it was the actual height from foot, to head

So the height from the tip of the foot to the head, including the neck?

[compact leaf]

sauroposeidon has a bit of a shaky taxonomy so it's build is a bit up in the air, if we assum proportions more similar to brachiosaurids then you wind up with adults in the 18 meter range at the top of their head

you can get adult brachiosaurus height estimates to a similar range

[light osprey]

What’s the opposing conclusion

[lavish frigate]

Oh wow we have quite a bit of giraffatitan

[compact leaf]

so it's a somphospondylian and the group as a whole is very messy, you have animals like sauroposeidon that have more brachiosaurid like proportions (in part because some of them probably still rightyfully belong to brachiosauridae) and on the other end you have things that look very similar to camarasaurids

so even knowing it's a somphospondyl and not a brachiosaurid doesn't help us much

[light osprey]

Okie common Sauropoda L’s it sounds like

[compact leaf]

yeah pretty much classic sauropod messiness

[astral kelp]

Gunnar never disappoints

[bright veldt]

Sauroposeidon’s current height comes from it being closer to titanosaurs. Apparently the somps have an increased number of neck vertebrae compared to most other sauropods.

[compact leaf]

that's assuming it even has that number of vertebrae, based on other somphospondyls it might not

which is also assuming that those other somphospondyls are actually somphospondyls which they might not be

it's a horrible cycle that someone needs to sort out

[light osprey]

Only Sauropod taxonomy I care about is the one that puts Alamosaurus in its rightful place 😎

[compact leaf]

I think Curtice might be working on that but I could be wrong

[light osprey]

I liked Tykoski’s paper

[hallow spear]

This is his old one

[tulip dove]

Wait when did he do a new one

[compact leaf]

I didn’t remember him doing a new one either, do you happen to have it?

[white matrix]

Can someone help me do a comparison between eotrike and dasp. Someone said a dasp has a good chance to kill an eo irl and I want to see a size side by side

[sullen cairn]

which dasp

[white matrix]

Dasp in the game.

[sullen cairn]

so torosus/horneri

[white matrix]

Idk which subspecies. I guess the biggest one

[light osprey]

Hmm ya know I’m interested to see this side by side too

More appropriate would be Albertosaurus, but close enough.

[sullen cairn]

biggest dasp is pete iii (or maybe sir william) which are either wilsoni or sp so they aren't in-game

[tough parcel]

Pete the Third and Sir William aren’t formally described, so ignore them, never speak of them in any sort of capacity

[sullen cairn]

😠 i like their names

[tough parcel]

I will eat the person who brings them up 😡

[light osprey]

Oopsies. Okay but can you do the A. sarcophagus comparison

[tough parcel]

No because I’m unable to reach my computer for an indeterminate amount of time (I threw the tower across my house in a fit of rage, real and true)

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[white matrix]

Nice. Can't wait lol

[sullen cairn]

torosus and pete iii (in grey) with eotrike

[tough parcel]

Stay awake tonight

[jagged trellis]

pardon me but i do need a confirm here rq on weight: eos 4-5 tons with dasp being 4 tons yeah?

[sullen cairn]

something like that there's no good trike gdi 😭

[jagged trellis]

ah

[sullen cairn]

~4t is probably a good range give or take a few hundred kilos
GAT's skeletal is something like 6.8m along the centra iirc

[white matrix]

Weird if that's an accurate size irl.
In pot the size are switched

[sullen cairn]

you should see eo with metri and sucho irl

[white matrix]

Why is Eo/ trike so small irl. I thought they were huge lol 😂

[light osprey]

Oh since you can do it let’s the Albertosaurus one ☝️

[sullen cairn]

exponential decline in image quality b/c i ran out of free saves
also cmn 5600 in grey

[light osprey]

Lovely

[white matrix]

Bro he looks like a alberta. So short

[sullen cairn]

man

[jagged trellis]

the ingame scaling is based on a older one where we didn't know it was a bobble head p much, can't remember which one did it tho

[white matrix]

I hate this. This is messing with my mind lol 😂. I thought trikes were almost as tall as rex

[sullen cairn]

bobblehead eotrike's been a thing since at least 2016

[bright veldt]

Das feels laughably small in game given what we know of daspleto.

It’s awkward next to alio and Rex.

[light osprey]

The height I think is usually a bit under 3 metres on average?