paleontology

[woeful falcon]

anyway, my thought behind the question is, if you really have to take a leap of logic to make it work, then dinosaurs as we know them probably don't really have the mechanisms to do trapdoor style predation

[drifting bear]

Gorgosaurus is best boi

[late atlas]

Axe attacking unhinged jaw Allosaurus

The attack that makes no sense everyone in the paleo community thinks

[woeful falcon]

Ye no one takes that seriously anymore.

How did that catch on again, was it only just because of how far it could open its mouth and the thought that its bite was weak?

[late atlas]

Ye

[little mauve]

Wide gape, strong neck, relatively small teeth acting as sort of mouth-sized serrations

[late atlas]

Ima ask here to not just in general chat but where did the nyctatyrannus come from? I can find nothing concrete on it

[woeful falcon]

Its fictional

[late atlas]

From where

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah thats just a made up dinosaur, for Isla Nycta-hence the name

[woeful falcon]

Ye

[late atlas]

What is that

[woeful falcon]

Its one of the communities that plays PoT

[late atlas]

Also nerscylla best monster

[late atlas]

Huh alright thx

[tranquil quartz]

Merphistophelin ontop

[late atlas]

Noice choice

[storm heron]

Would you look at that, Nanotyrannus and Tyrannosaurus (Yes I know it is an Albertosaurine in that image).

[astral kelp]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on the Andrewsarchus mod TLC?

[white matrix]

Wait Andrew is getting a tlc?

[clever sable]

It's already getting a TLC?

[astral kelp]

Yeah.

[astral kelp]

iirc after or around paraceratherium

But that’s not the topic really I’d like a discussion anatomy wise

[light osprey]

Entelodontid, with a little twist lol

[astral kelp]

Yeah it seems the whippomorph like rendition wasn’t as accurate

[light osprey]

Science is ever changing

[frail robin]

What is the largest Dsungaripterid?

[bright veldt]

It’s very vague but was likely Dsungaripterus itself with a 3 meter wingspan

Ignore Banguela it’s Thalassodromeus oberlli now

[candid phoenix]

Is rajasaurus the largest Abelisaurid ?

[sullen cairn]

largest is undescribed "titanovenator" from kenya

rajasaurus was barely over a ton, and a few hundred kilos more with another referred specimen (lametasaurus)

[candid phoenix]

My book must be outdated then

It’s fairly recent like 2017 but a lot could’ve changed since then

[sullen cairn]

well you're in luck cause there's a great paper on abelisaurid sizes

[candid phoenix]

Oooo

[sullen cairn]

table's at the end

[candid phoenix]

Ahh so pycno is the king rn

Also I see the word basal a lot and have no idea what it means

[heady thunder]

Early dude.

[sullen cairn]

basal just means it's closer to the root (base) of a phylogenetic tree

[candid phoenix]

I have the Princeton field guide to dinosaurs second edition which is were I got all my info from but it seems all outdated now which is expected

[sullen cairn]

yeah that thing shows its age

and pycno's the largest named abelisaurid but as said "titanovenator" is undescribed but larger at 10.9m, followed by a large centrum from Morocco ~8-10m (10.68m at the highest), and a ~10m premaxilla from Brazil

the latter 2 are described just unnamed

[heady thunder]

Isnt pycno like 11m?

[sullen cairn]

pycno's 8.9m

that is a subadult however

[silk radish]

So Pycno Is biggest abelisaurid

[peak jetty]

Yes*

[silk radish]

Realistic

[peak jetty]

*(no)

[sullen cairn]

Pycno’s the biggest one to be formally described and named
Two larger abelisaurids have described but aren’t named
And the largest abelisaurid is neither described nor named

[heady thunder]

Tbf, pycno is still sub.

[sullen cairn]

Projected adult size is disgusting and I refuse to participate in such hedonism

(Still, fair enough)

[candid phoenix]

Bruh I just saw a few articles about tyrannosaurus maybe being three species

[silk radish]

Possible but still-

Btw I just heard that there is new Rex specimen even larger than Scotty

He’s a absolute unit

Dear god the size of that thing-

[light osprey]

Nooo, it’s delicious and real, trust 💯

[silk radish]

Like bro took “I’m built different” to a whole new level- 💀

[storm heron]

Lets also remember that the owner of the large centrum from Morocco is also immature.

[sullen cairn]

That thing can end up pretty small depending on how you scale it
And projected adult size is still cringe

I much prefer the larger estimate though mostly cause giant Kem Kem abelisaur sounds cool

[silk radish]

R u talking abt E.D Cope?
Oh nvm srry

[sullen cairn]

CMN 50403

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[sullen cairn]

i don't like thinking about the centrum width estimate
it's just sad

[light osprey]

Curious, what’s the estimated length

[sullen cairn]

7.26m

[light osprey]

Sounds lovely

[sullen cairn]

we have larger abelisaurids than that in like the valanginian

[light osprey]

Cope and seethe

[sullen cairn]

average estimate is still like 9m though so my sanity remains somewhat intact

[light osprey]

Toss away your biases and tribulations, use Occam’s Razor instead

[sullen cairn]

uh kem kem has like big things so it was like big too

yeah that

[light osprey]

no, not like that

[pearl briar]

what is top 5 largest carcharodontosaurids?

[peak jetty]

oh boy here we go

[candid phoenix]

Giga carolinii, mapusaurus , carchar saharicus , tyranotitan

[heady thunder]

One is missing

[silk radish]

Oh yeh I forgor-

What sauropods lived with the Tyrant Lizard king-

[light osprey]

Just Alamosaurus

[unborn bane]

@silk radish Please don't post paleo memes in this channel, refer to the pinned rules in every channel you plan to use.

[silk radish]

Only Alamasaurus?-

[pearl briar]

nvm i found them

• Giganotosaurus carolinii
• Mapusaurus roseae
• Carcharodontosaurus saharicus
• Tyrannotitan chubutensis
• Acrocanthosaurus atokensis

[candid phoenix]

I thought acro wasn’t a carcharadontosaurid

[silk radish]

That doesn’t count as a meme-

[light osprey]

Yep

[candid phoenix]

That’s just a thumbnail

[silk radish]

E.D Cope was prob able to hunt sub-adult Alamosaurus

Like fr the size of that thing-

[light osprey]

I think C Saharicus might be a bit heavier now, in the runner up spot to G. carolinii

[silk radish]

Scotty: “Am da biggest Rex”
E.D Cope: “Cope”

[storm heron]

This is regarding that video isnt it

[silk radish]

Still can’t get over the fact they shrunk my boi dunkleosteus

Ik dinosaurs r animals but….
My god the size of E.D Cope is truly monstrous….

When they named him/her “cope” they weren’t kidding-

Truly the biggest Rex 🍷🗿

[pearl briar]

last time i heard carcha is 7.4-8.2 tons while mapu is like ~8.8 tons so mapu is still in the 2nd place
but i could be wrong so take it with grain of sugar

[candid phoenix]

Wait is acro a carcharadontosaurid or an allosaurid ?

[storm heron]

What is the Cope specimen known from again

[pearl briar]

he's a carcharodontosaurids

[silk radish]

It is a carcharodontosaurid

[candid phoenix]

Cool beans cause some probably older sources said otherwise

[silk radish]

Speaking of Allosaurids….
Can we talk abt toughts on Saurophaganax?

[light osprey]

It depends on who you ask for M. roseae I think

[pearl briar]

maybe the idea of allosaurid acro is that carcharodontosaurids IS an allosauroidae (i think)

[silk radish]

Eighter Saurophaganax was another Allosaurus or it’s own genus

[pearl briar]

sauro was he's own genus, not allo maximus again

[silk radish]

I have my bets Sauro was his own genus

[pearl briar]

he is his own genus

[silk radish]

It’s been confirmed?

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/always-have-been-always-will-be-tracy-jordan-30rock-forever-and-ever-now-and-forever-gif-21884305

[pearl briar]

yes
saurophaganax is now saurophaganax maximus, not allosaurus maximus

[silk radish]

LESS GOOOO
MY TOP FAV UNDERRATED DINO IS REALLLL!!!1!1!1!1!1!1!

Troodon: ✌️🫥

[tranquil quartz]

Troodon and Laten got lumped into Steno

[silk radish]

Laten…

Is not real?

[tranquil quartz]

Yes Laten is not real

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sadly-yes-yeah-embarrassed-agree-gif-15844917

[woven vortex]

I thought troodon was both laten and steno

[silk radish]

AUGHHHHHHHH

[light osprey]

Technically Troodon’s holotype can’t be confidently assigned to any genus, it remains its own foggy thing

[tranquil quartz]

No Troodon and Laten are Steno
i mean they are tooth taxa so its to be expected

[pearl briar]

so in conclusion: steno is troodon and laten
2 dinos lumped into 1 dino 😎

[silk radish]

Troodon and Laten: “SCREW YOU ALL! WE’RE GOING TO FUSE!” >:]

[pearl briar]

they fusing into stenonychosaurus
totally worth it 😎

[silk radish]

They fused in pure dragon ball style fr 💀

[light osprey]

Pectinodon, the last holdout tooth taxon 💯 may he persevere

[candid phoenix]

Is shant still the biggest ornithischian?

[silk radish]

Yesh 🗿

[candid phoenix]

Does anyone have like an up to date chart of like it’s length and weight ?

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/that-gives-me-an-idea-william-murdoch-murdoch-mysteries-i-got-an-idea-gives-me-a-bit-of-an-idea-gif-25179912

[silk radish]

Lemme guess-
You’re going to make a drawing of Laten and Troodon Fusing like how Goku and Vegeta did right-

[pearl briar]

no
i have smth better
(i'm sucks at drawing, shut up)

[silk radish]

Srry-

So now we have 2 giants….
Who will win it?

Rex is still largest 🍷🗿

[pearl briar]

it depends
strength, endurance, bite force and senses? rex
agility & speed? giga
overall you should watch this video, it explains lot more than me
https://youtu.be/AzLlH08gl7o?si=qpqeOAF2kRFHu5Tj

[silk radish]

I alr did

[chilly knot]

Rex is more agile lol

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-joseph-sorry-dude-i-forgot-i-forgot-forgetful-gif-22985680

[silk radish]

Tyrannosaurus Rex:
• Stronger bite
• Bulkier
• more IQ 🗿
• Senses
• Mass

Giganotosautus Carolinii:
• lighter
• more agile
• faster mouth shutting

[chilly knot]

What did I just said

[silk radish]

Overall Rex wins 🗣️

And the Giga has a less stronger bite and less range

Rex wins most of the time

[candid phoenix]

Giga was only longer and a bit taller that was really it

[silk radish]

Especially if you take the giga against something like this beast 💀

[silk radish]

Size is measured by mass, since the Rex is heavier it makes him the biggest terrestrial carnivore
✨EVER✨

[candid phoenix]

I agree but Physically it isn’t

[pearl briar]

ehh... rex & giga are same mass at 10.4 tons according to https://www.thecodontia.com/blog/the-largest-theropod-dinosaur-known-to-science

[slow marsh]

The dentary giga got downsized to 10.1t

[silk radish]

Yesh

However yes the Giga is longer and “taller” but not larger than the mighty Tyrant Lizard King

[pearl briar]

nah
who said that?
you?
i don't believe you ||(joke, don't take it seriously)||

[slow marsh]

lmao, dw, but i lost the image of it

[silk radish]

Giga: “AM BIGGER!!1!1!1” >:[
Rex: “Nuh-uh”

[candid phoenix]

13.5 metre long giga would be huge.

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-lmao-gif-25834385

[vocal breach]

Really puts the cope in Rex

[silk radish]

LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT BRO-

E.D. Cope was terrifying 💀

[tranquil quartz]

I mean the Giga could just slice into him like a knife,
So even if Trex wins theres a chance it could die via blood loss,infection, etc

[silk radish]

Yeah, but Rex would win most of the time

[pearl briar]

wait what abt tyrannosaurus "bertha"?

[vocal breach]

She not out yet let her cook

[silk radish]

Yeah let her cook 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[balmy pagoda]

zinzin

[candid phoenix]

Oh yeah I saw that there’s gonna be the paper out at the end of this year about Bertha

[pearl briar]

do we even know it's gender or smth...
idk i hope it's not like sue & scotty case
i once thought sue is female & scotty is male but in reality they're both genders are questioning 💀

[silk radish]

E.D. Cope Truly was the apex of his area, def scaring off other Rexes and had prob no competition

[slow marsh]

iirc the femur of E.D Cope was 7% wider than Scotty's, but 2% smallest in length, maybe Cope was wider than Scotty in body proportions?

[undone parcel]

there is only one confirmed female rex

[silk radish]

I was talking abt E.D. Cope-

[silk radish]

Ik, I forgor the name doe-

[undone parcel]

b-rex

[candid phoenix]

E.dcope vs shant

[pearl briar]

i'm not mentioning to be rude but how can we tell?

[vocal breach]

Shant still stomps

[silk radish]

Ah now I remember
Her name is Bobby XD

[undone parcel]

had the tissue that female birds have when forming eggs

[pearl briar]

tissue?

[candid phoenix]

Tissue paper found fossilised

[undone parcel]

its like a thing in the bone

[silk radish]

Ah yes, Bobby is a female….that means Bertha could’ve been male 💀

[pearl briar]

ahh i thought you mentioned THAT tissue

[undone parcel]

she stored kleenex in her femur

[silk radish]

Funny how Bobby is a fem, that means Bertha could’ve been a male- 💀

[undone parcel]

it wasnt tissue it was medullary bone

[candid phoenix]

I don’t think anyone has said spino would win

[undone parcel]

spino couldve..it has the claws

[silk radish]

NO NO NO
THE REX HAS IQ, HE CAN HUST RIP THEM OFF!!1!1!1!!1!

[undone parcel]

any animal has a chance of winning a fight

[candid phoenix]

The spino could have a chance yeah if it struck it’s eye or something

[undone parcel]

who said blood had to shed

when you have 6+foot display structures on your back i can be very intimidating

[silk radish]

I don’t se any way the spino could do that here

[undone parcel]

cause your not looking at them as animals

[silk radish]

Ik dinosaurs r animals…

And they would avoid combat for injuries

[undone parcel]

you say rex wins simply cause its rex when animals avoid unnecesarry conflict

[candid phoenix]

The spino could smack it with its big tail !!

[bright veldt]

I mean…. rex is larger, faster, more maneuverable, and more stable. If a rex wants to eat it idk what would stop it.

[tranquil quartz]

Spinocopter could fly away

[silk radish]

Wdym-

[silk radish]

Real

[candid phoenix]

Yeah people forget spino can do that

[undone parcel]

put 2 equally sized predators in a environment and more then likley they would avoid conflict especially when they have 2 different niches

[silk radish]

Equal? Since when?

[viscid surge]

That’s not really the argument we’re having…

[candid phoenix]

You know how stinkbugs excrete smelly stuff to avoid predators what if a Dino sprayed poo po smelling styff to avoid predator!!

[vocal breach]

Rex kickflips spino like a skateboard

[undone parcel]

besides..spino has the advantage if rex got in the water..better maneurability

[tranquil quartz]

Isnt Spino theorised to be pretty bad in the water now?

[chilly knot]

Yall care too much about bad specimens

[candid phoenix]

Like 1.2 m/s

Slower than a Olympic swimmer

[vocal breach]

I don’t get this logic tho, if it’s a semiaquatic predator, with CLEAR adaptations for life near or in water, why would it be WORSE in water? This make-a no sense

[undone parcel]

pretty sure a animal adapted for a piscivorous diet would be decent enough

[silk radish]

“The spino could drown him”
Listen, Rex was completely capeble to defend itself in water, the spino would have a hard time drowning him since his body is wider and difficult to lock on. The Rex still has the upper hand

[undone parcel]

doesnt need to drown rex

[silk radish]

Still difficult for em

[tranquil quartz]

I think its came into question that Spino just has the issue of not being able to float,etc. I think its theorised to have a heron hunting style.

[candid phoenix]

Maybe spino just really likes swimming and having a good time and doesn’t care about efficiency

[vocal breach]

spinos objective: slash and leave

[undone parcel]

yes..get a good enough slash in would be enough to deter a foe

[viscid surge]

This argument is getting goofy 💀 ngl

[undone parcel]

as if it hasnt existed since 2001

[silk radish]

Rex: “GET BACC HERE!!1!1!!1” >:[

[bright veldt]

Yeah this is the whole reason why the “bad at swimming” paper doesn’t hold up for me. It lived near water bodies and hunted large aquatic prey. It was swimming more regularly than most predators either way. Y would it be a bad swimmer?

[vocal breach]

“no”

[undone parcel]

i subscribe to punting spino myself

[silk radish]

The rex’s head in fact is PERFECTLY positioned in the tiny baby spino man’s poor lil fragile neck…..

[undone parcel]

rex isnt invincible

no just get anything it lived with..

[vocal breach]

“Rex and Giga take themselves too seriously, I just wanna be a goober”

-Spino

[silk radish]

Ik that……
Trike, Anky, Edmonto, Alamo and most importantly…..Other Rexes

[undone parcel]

spinos a ok animal its the people arguing via papers trying to justify why they are right

[tranquil quartz]

Yh im not a fan of it either, especially since other spinosaurids were likely swimming (not sucho)

[undone parcel]

dense bones doesnt mean cant swim

[bright veldt]

Sucho was probably swimming too, just definitely not an aquatic animal.

[tranquil quartz]

Thought it was a wader

[candid phoenix]

I heard that irritator could have a weird jaw

[undone parcel]

pelican

[silk radish]

Pelican jaw

[bright veldt]

It was, but when you live around large water bodies and primarily hunt aquatic prey you’re probably gunna be swimming at some point regardless.

[undone parcel]

especially if your habitat are swamps that are prone to flooding

[bright veldt]

Although sucho’s also the largest example of spinosaurs being the largest predators in their ecosystems, so while it preferred fish it also likely would’ve ate whatever tf it wanted

[vocal breach]

Who would be the Dino icons if we never discovered the current icons? Like Rex, velo, trike, brachi, and para to name a few

[undone parcel]

granted spinosaurs definitely were primarily piscivores but wouldnt pass up easy meat

[silk radish]

Ummm….
Actually, Spino could just avoid the Rex since in reality it was a prehistoric whale lookin thing

Lolz

[undone parcel]

credit Joschua Knuppe

[candid phoenix]

Elephant seal lookin thing

[silk radish]

I was abt to do it-
Credit: Joschua Knuppe

[tranquil quartz]

Did Sucho become so terrestrial adapted due to Sarcos presence? Heard this somewhere

[undone parcel]

i love/hate Spinofaarus

probably not

[bright veldt]

Unlikely, given that sarco lived in Brazil too, likely alongside the spinosaurs there, and they were more swimmy-inclined than sucho

[candid phoenix]

Is there still a debate on if sarco or deino was bigger ?

[bright veldt]

It also doesn’t help sucho was so damn big it likely would’ve been an actually dangerous adversary for sarco

[silk radish]

And since it looked like a elephant seal, his claws weren’t high enough to hit the rex, not even his toes, he would’ve been one shotted due to his sail being rrly fragile

[undone parcel]

its paleo..people argue their animals bigger endlessly even if proven otherwise

[tranquil quartz]

Deino is bigger
Bigger than Purru as well

[bright veldt]

Yeah it’s not really a debate

[silk radish]

The battle for size is between Puru and Deino

[undone parcel]

if you want size debates do Gigapods

[pearl briar]

sorry for out of topic but serious question
does chameleon is actually change it's color skin to blend with they're environment or depends from their emotion?

[tranquil quartz]

I mean the estimates get pretty extreme for Deino, some reach 15 tons

[undone parcel]

emotions, chameleons by default usually range from green to brown

[chilly knot]

That's based on scalebars

[bright veldt]

For the very insanely big and more fragmentary specimens. 12 meters and 9 tons is a lot safer, which still comfortably beats out purru

[bright veldt]

Color change is for social signaling

[silk radish]

Actually, spino would win, since unlike the Rex he can flip him off, and the rex had only 2 claws, spino had 3 so he can just middle finger em and instantly get soo offended he will leave 🗿

[hazy flint]

Please avoid spreading misinformation. Sarcasm is also very easily misinterpreted through text. Thank you for understanding!

[silk radish]

Wdym-
I ain’t sarcastic

[undone parcel]

spinofaarus is a joke and not serious in the slightest

[silk radish]

Oh right-

[silk radish]

That’s why spino would win.
An alternative ending is that the Rex would just get pissed off to beat ‘em badly

[tranquil quartz]

I mean the entire debate is stupid since they probably wouldn’t even actually engage in combat, if they did encounter eachother (which they wouldn’t since they are millions of years apart) they’d probably sniff eachother, make a few noises and it would end with either of them walking away

[silk radish]

Everybody knows that

[tranquil quartz]

So in conclusion Spino vs Rex is pretty stupid

[undone parcel]

have you seen some POT players..

[silk radish]

I mean, we might never know…..spino has changed so much throughout the years, from Goofy aaah Monsters Resurected to JP3, so we might not know how it actually could’ve went

I guess the debate is over-

[undone parcel]

you have rex fanboys who think it never lost fights..and spino fanboys who think everything post jp3 is stupid and ruined the animal

[silk radish]

I’m not saying it never lost fight…..it obviously did Blud-

[heady thunder]

Ngl, rip spino tho, it went from godzilla to a stork

[silk radish]

Fr fr

[undone parcel]

ahh yes because we go more material

besides..blame Horner for the debate..

[silk radish]

I’m not a Rex fanboy, the biggest threat to a Rex is another of its own species tbh

[chilly knot]

Stan can confirm

[undone parcel]

trike..toro..anky..edmonto..denversaurus..Alamo down south..Pachy to younger ones..

[silk radish]

PACHY?!
Nah that’s impossible

[undone parcel]

yes a pachy for sure would injure a juvie

[silk radish]

I am talking abt adult rexes

[tranquil quartz]

You didn’t specify that

[bright veldt]

It depends. The ability of the domed head to injure predators is likely overstated.

[silk radish]

Well if I say Rex in general it takes that long to figure out I was talking the adult?-

[undone parcel]

...you didnt specify

[tranquil quartz]

You just said a rex

[silk radish]

If I would’ve been talking abt juvis I would’ve specify Blud-

[undone parcel]

then youd specify adult

[tranquil quartz]

And even adult rexes were in danger from some of the brutes that it hunted, triceratops, anky, etc

[silk radish]

Ik that

At last..
The war is finally over-

Now we gotta talk abt Rex vs a Dragon >:]

[undone parcel]

already shown in media..Dragons: a fantasy made real

[silk radish]

Blud Ik-
I was just goofin-

[tranquil quartz]

If dragons were real though, Dragons would hunt Trex, scorch it alive, boom Rex dead.

[undone parcel]

depends what dragon your talking about

[silk radish]

Wivern

[undone parcel]

they have stingers and breathe poison

[silk radish]

Still effective 🥶

[candid phoenix]

All I care about is Smaug and he would annihilate a Rex obviously

[undone parcel]

smaugs like the smallest dragon inLOTR

[candid phoenix]

Ancalagon vs Rex pfft

[tranquil quartz]

Its funny how hes the smallest LOTR dragon and is still larger than any ASOIAF dragon.

[undone parcel]

uhh maybe the giant black dragon is near smaugs size..

[light osprey]

The prey items are its biggest threat?

[undone parcel]

lets see..trike and toro have 3+foot horns..anky can atomize legs and its skull..

[tranquil quartz]

Balerion is still smaller

[light osprey]

So, what do you suggest it hunted

[bright veldt]

Tbf what else is there aside from its own kind. It’s why tyrannosaurus young we’re likely independent from a young age lol

[candid phoenix]

From my knowledge eotrike had a bigger skull than a normal trike but was physically smaller ?

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah

[undone parcel]

uhh probably toro..

[candid phoenix]

So is toro the largest ceratopsian ?

[bright veldt]

Mhm, at least a larger skull proportionally. I’m sure trikes and toro still got the bigger heads.

[tranquil quartz]

No Trike is

[undone parcel]

no largest head

[bright veldt]

1. Triceratops (8m, 7 tons)+
2. Torosaurus (8m, 7 tons)
3. Titanoceratops (7m, 6.5 tons)
   4+5. Eotriceratops & Sinoceratops (7m, 5 tons)
4. Pachyrhinosaurus (7m, 4.5 tons)
5. Pentaceratops (6m, 2.5 tons)

[tranquil quartz]

How big is Chasmosaurus?

[candid phoenix]

Never heard of titanoceratops before

[undone parcel]

...small for a chasmosaurine

[light osprey]

Depositionally one of the rarest up north, I suppose Triceratops has hyper adapted anatomy for no reason at all?

[bright veldt]

5 meters and 1.5 tons. Basic ceratopsid size

[silk radish]

Btw let’s change argument, i heard that Torosaurus could’ve been a possible growth stage of the triceratops, basically like the pachy, dracorex, and stighy

[undone parcel]

debunked, another one of horners crack ideas

[candid phoenix]

It’s a separate species now

[silk radish]

Alr debunked? Oke then

[bright veldt]

That was the first one to be thrown out because we have basically every life stage of triceratops, and younger torosaurus

[bright veldt]

Keep in mind that 4.5-5 meters and 1-2 tons is THE standard ceratopsid size. The 7 largest ceratopsids I listed earlier are literally the only ones I know of to get larger than that. They’re very much exceptional.

[silk radish]

Tho it is official that Draco and Stighy were growth stages of the Pachycephalosaurus-

[undone parcel]

still debated, for stygi at least..

[candid phoenix]

Is the nanotyrannys a baby trex still a thing

[bright veldt]

Draco, probably. Stygi’s likely an adult but as a 2nd pachy species rather than its own genus

[bright veldt]

Yes

[undone parcel]

nano is just young rexes we just know now that rex went through extreme onogentic change

[silk radish]

LMAO I WAS GOING TALK ABT THE NANOTYRANNUS-

[undone parcel]

listen if it its something Horner agrees or came up 9 times out of 10 its bs

especially regarding rex

[silk radish]

Ah yes I remember that one time when Monsters Resurected said that juvi Rexes had a toxic bite and boy if I went on a rampage 🗿

[undone parcel]

that was JFC

[light oxide]

Like the tyrannosaurus-is-a-pure-scavenger theory.

[silk radish]

Dammit I forgot-

[undone parcel]

and forcing it in JP3

[candid phoenix]

T rex is thought to be an ambush predator right

[tranquil quartz]

Ambush predator that could scavenge if it wanted to
It wasn’t scavenging all the time

[light oxide]

. . . Eh?

With JP3, we really don't know if it was scavenging the corpse or if it got the kill itself.

[bright veldt]

It was meant to be eluded to cause of course it was

[silk radish]

Fax

[undone parcel]

listen horner has the biggest hate for rex

[light oxide]

I will say, though, them saying that spinosaurus was a better terrestrial hunter than tyrannosaurus was just . . . Yeah . . .

[bright veldt]

Regardless I’m curious as to how much scavenging trex actually would’ve done ironically, cause there wasn’t really any other predator it competed for prey with to steal food from lol

[undone parcel]

except juvies, or "dakotaraptor"

[light oxide]

Other rexes that killed prey.

[bright veldt]

Neither of which shared the adult tyrannosaurus’s prey base

[tranquil quartz]

Isnt it theorised there was a medium sized predator around in formations like Hells Creek?

[light osprey]

Yes, juvenile Tyrannosaurus

[bright veldt]

And if we’re assuming tyrannosaurs are territorial, which we are, then meetings were rare

[chilly knot]

Nanotyrannus

[undone parcel]

doubt it since the juvie rexs literally took over

[stiff osprey]

Or if you mean medium sized as an adult, the crocodiles

[silk radish]

(Credit to: John Conway)
He heard you…

[light osprey]

How heavy is Borealosuchus?

[silk radish]

He knows what you said….

[bright veldt]

Borealosuchus was about the size of a typical crocodile tmk

[undone parcel]

i think the creteacous borealosuchus were..average gator size?

[chilly knot]

Yea

[light osprey]

what’s an average gator weight

[chilly knot]

200-300kg

[bright veldt]

Like 200 kilos for the proper adults?

[silk radish]

Juvenile Rex by PLASTOSPLEEN looks wild 💀

[bright veldt]

Dinosapien lookin ass

[candid phoenix]

Dakotaraptor or utahraptor guys

[undone parcel]

utah

[silk radish]

Utah wins 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[bright veldt]

Dakotaraptor doesn’t exist so easy

[light osprey]

In the context of a Maastrichtian environment, I’m not sure you can consider 300kg to be the medium sized predator of the ecosystem

[candid phoenix]

What ya mean

[undone parcel]

the genus doesnt exist and the actual specimen is a cluster

[bright veldt]

Dakotaraptor’s description is founded on a paleontologist whose been caught stealing the studies of others, fabricating his own data, and hides said remains from everyone but his most trusted friends. “Dakotaraptor” as we know it isn’t a reliably valid taxa.

[candid phoenix]

So it could just be a Utah ?

[silk radish]

Megalania vs. Dilophosaurus? (Actual unfair fight)

[undone parcel]

no utah was long exticnt

utah went extinct in the early creteacous

[silk radish]

“Utahraptor was discovered in Utah!”
Me: No sheesh Sherlock-

[undone parcel]

what about Arkansasaurus

[bright veldt]

That’s the ornithomimid right?

[undone parcel]

yea

[bright veldt]

It just doesn’t have a proper name yet. Arkansasaurus is a nickname.

[undone parcel]

no i think thats the valid name..

yea Arkansasurus Fridayi

[bright veldt]

Oh, huh, it was properly described and given that name in 2018. I knew of it way before that when it was just it’s nickname. So that’s y

[light osprey]

Either it’s a completely fabricated specimen, attributable to a smaller taxa, or does exist but is a member of a different Dromaeosaurid clade

[undone parcel]

named the Arkansas state dinosaur in 2017

[light oxide]

Found a tyrannosaurus Jane face sculpt:

[silk radish]

THAT LOOKS CLEAN ASF-

[undone parcel]

theres a jane cast at Carnegie in the gift shop

[light oxide]

. . .

Hold on, let me get the image to actually send as an image.

[undone parcel]

i remember when Jane was right outside the Gift shop and a few years back they moved it in there

[candid phoenix]

How do y’all think most deinocherius and tarbosaurus encounters went

[undone parcel]

depends on the encounter

[light oxide]

Okay -- here's a skeletal of Jane from Mark Witton:

[undone parcel]

logically a full grown deinocheirus would be a last resort starved tarbo hunt

[candid phoenix]

Cause deinocherius is like one of the largest theropods isn’t it

[ancient crystal]

I was in an arguement with someone a few days ago that was saying rex "peaked at adolescent" and the adults were pure scavengers that would steal triceratops and edmontosaurus kills from the juveniles

[undone parcel]

near rex mass

[light oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-water-spit-lol-gif-14367879

[undone parcel]

1 is only good for nostalgia and 1s actually a good documentary

[silk radish]

Perfectly balanced

[candid phoenix]

Ay what wwd is a good documentary

[light oxide]

They're both good -- one's just modern and the other is a bit outdated but still good.

[undone parcel]

they had plateosaurus in Chinle

[light osprey]

Real

[tranquil quartz]

3rd largest

[silk radish]

Different Documentaries, Same energy…. C;

[bright veldt]

Deinocheirus was a solid 50% larger than tarbosaurus. It probably wouldn’t be a fun ordeal.

[undone parcel]

not to mention being a ornithomimosaur it more then likley had a solid kick

[light osprey]

Sauropod specialist definitely not one to tango with those chunky Ornithomimosaurs

[tranquil quartz]

I think this is my favourite paleo doc
Nigel Marvin was a brilliant decision as well

[bright veldt]

Eh we have evidence of tarbosaurus eating Deinocheirus.

[undone parcel]

the real rivalry is Deinocheirus v Theri

[astral kelp]

The silhouette being his wife and his dog

[candid phoenix]

I love that one

[bright veldt]

I also wouldn’t call tarbo a “specialist” when hadrosaurs and sauropods were the most common large herbivores, with evidence of tarbo also eating ankylosaurs, Deinocheirus, gallimimus, and even fish

[tranquil quartz]

I doubt they had any rivalry, both were occupying different niches weren’t they?

[light osprey]

Silly me 🙃, pretend I never said it I have the memory of a goldfish

[undone parcel]

pretty sure theyd have horrible attitudes and thats not good when one controls the water hole

[tranquil quartz]

That is true

[undone parcel]

besides it a perfect rivalry..big arms

[silk radish]

Btw are other Dino memes allowed in The meme channel or only pot?-

[tranquil quartz]

Only pot related memes
That channel is cursed anyway

[undone parcel]

not fair to Al..dude had more then enough for respect

[tranquil quartz]

Big Al had it worse, bro literally suffered with a foot infection
I mean theres that Allosaur that took a thagomizer to the crown jewels

[silk radish]

I didn’t make it-

[undone parcel]

and Broken jaw is based off a single jaw bone

[bright veldt]

From a book authored by a friend of mine. Illustrated by Riamus.

[silk radish]

Broken jaw got his leteral balls eaten-

It’s true-

[undone parcel]

thers one that got stabbed in them

[tranquil quartz]

Thats some cool art
I just realised how bloody that battle would actually be

[light osprey]

Personally I’d expect that encounter to be unlikely, or very rare at least

[undone parcel]

doesnt help that literal superficial scratches would bleed like the worst wounds

[silk radish]

I still respect big al although this bro has enough balls to fight big boi ✨🗿

Those are alot of balls for a mid size theropod 🥶
Leterally brave enough to fight a apex

[undone parcel]

mmm A. europeaus was large

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah if they did encounter eachother they’d probably just try to intimidate eachother until one of them leaves

[undone parcel]

id expect the fights would be between bulls or something

[silk radish]

But yeah Big Al is still goated

[light osprey]

Or just not interact. What’s the condition for it, as far as I can tell they don’t share a good source. We can’t be certain of aggression in them either.

[undone parcel]

their big animals..put 2 large herbivores let alone one in a breeding season and more then likley theyll pick a fight with anything

[silk radish]

Tho I swear to the Campto god broken jaw doesn’t get the respect he deserves-

[undone parcel]

also for all we know theri/deino would have had hippo attitude and wouldnt tolerate anything within like a mile of them

[bright veldt]

In the book’s context it’s a territorial male that the Theri’s just trying to defend itself from

[light osprey]

Is this condition applicable to everything? Could just be an ungulate skill issue

[tranquil quartz]

This guy doesn’t either

http://westerndigs.org/allosaurus-died-from-stegosaur-spike-to-the-crotch-wyoming-fossil-shows/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+westerndigsorg+(Western+Digs)

[undone parcel]

elephants and hippos are the best examples, rhinos are more forgivable since..near blind

[silk radish]

Ill say it, Ducky has higher chance to beat a Theri

[bright veldt]

Herbivore aggression typically comes down to a few things. Larger size means they can’t run away as reliably, and often times sociality can go hand n hand with aggression. The reason why hippos are so angry is because of their protectiveness of their home territory. It’s not out of spite for the living.

[undone parcel]

elephants on Musthe though..

[tranquil quartz]

Rhino’s actually have pretty good vision iirc
Like they arent blind

[bright veldt]

^

[light osprey]

I’d expect these two inhibit different areas of the Nemegt basin as well.

[undone parcel]

isnt it like rhinos past 100 feet or something arent good..?

[bright veldt]

Rhino vision is average for a mammal. The idea of them having bad vision is likely people trying to excuse their own foolishness for getting too close to a large animal and being attacked.

[undone parcel]

then their just hair triggers..

[light osprey]

Or am I wrong for assuming Therizinosaurus’ neck is an adaptation for higher browsing

[undone parcel]

i mean the arms was for pulling plants down

[light osprey]

And Deinocheirus cranial anatomy is still suggested to be adapted for feeding on soft vegetation ie. aquatic plants?

[undone parcel]

potential fish in the body cavity

[light osprey]

Cool, that’s even better for this hypothetical

[silk radish]

Moments before disaster

[viscid surge]

😔

[undone parcel]

no torvo bit the pelvic boot

[tranquil quartz]

Did Allo and Torvo even overlap?

[silk radish]

Man not only he didn’t have a childhood, he will also not have kids 💀

[undone parcel]

yes in the Morrison and Portugal

[light oxide]

Pretty sure, yeah.

[undone parcel]

T. tanneri was american with A. fragilis and T.guyneryi was in Lourinha with A. europeaus

[tranquil quartz]

I know Allo and Sauro didn’t overlap

[undone parcel]

saurophaganax has a very small distribution until shown otherwise

[silk radish]

Bro made sure he would not have children- 💀

[light osprey]

I think Saurophaganax is younger than both Torvosaurus and Allosaurs to the point of not sharing the Morrison with either?

[bright veldt]

In the Morrison, Torvosaurus was the apex predator. It went extinct during an aridification event during the Morrison’s last stages (Megalosaurs in general seemed to prefer wetter and more tropical environments, which is why they were omnipresent in Europe which was an archipelago). After it disappeared allosaurus likely morphed into Saurophagonax to take over the top predator niche.

[silk radish]

What abt Saurophaganax-

[undone parcel]

radioactive

[tranquil quartz]

Scanova literally just explained it

[silk radish]

Oh I didn’t read it- 💀

Tho fr Poor Broken Jaw-

[undone parcel]

i feel like we dont have enough saurophaganax to confidently say distrubution..and the one good thing we have is horribly radioactive

[candid ledge]

@silk radish Please keep all posts in our server appropriate and SFW. Refer to our #rules

[bright veldt]

There’s work being done with the Saurophagonax material atm, which currently paints it as a distinct genus, if still sister to allosaurus. Rather than just a bigger allo.

[silk radish]

It was even on low quality doe-

Aw man-
My bad-

[light osprey]

Distribution like temporally or its geographical range

[undone parcel]

geographical, cause i only confidently remember it from Oklahoma

[silk radish]

Saurophaganax was quite legit the final boss-

[undone parcel]

it was..decently big too

[silk radish]

Ceras rarely encountered allos

Since they both lived in their own environments (I think-)

[undone parcel]

no they were coexisting

[light osprey]

Speaking of Ceratosauria, are there any NA Noasaurids

[silk radish]

Ik that, what I’m saying is that they rarely come in contact

[undone parcel]

noasaurs? no i dont think

[light osprey]

Strange 🤔

I guess the faunal exchange between the Americas only goes north to south

Or wait no, cause Titanosaur go brr nvmnd

[undone parcel]

alamo more then likley was a asian immigrant

[silk radish]

Ceratosaurus has a more variated diet: Fish (sometimes) tiny crocodiles too, wich means Cera prob lived in more idk….swamp almost environments? Maybe….
While Allosaurus was more of plain hunter prob, hunting stegosaurus and more

That’s what I meant with Cera and Allo cooming rarely in contact

[undone parcel]

pretty sure the morrison didnt have swamps

[silk radish]

Not swamps
Like small lakes or something and dense forests

Or even rivers

[undone parcel]

besides Cerato was opportunistic so cerato and allo were more the n likley competing

[silk radish]

Cera survived cus of his diet too

[undone parcel]

didnt pass the jurassic so..

[silk radish]

Well climate changing is a thing doe-

[undone parcel]

cerato went extinct and appeared with allo

[silk radish]

Probably idk

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[tranquil quartz]

Why did my message duplicate 😐😐
Literally sent this 10 minutes ago

[silk radish]

Lmao

[light osprey]

0 presence in Northern Laramidian deposits. The farthest they present is Wyoming

[undone parcel]

hey im goin off the fact alamo is a opisthocoelicaudiine

[light osprey]

So is Pellegrinisaurus

[tranquil quartz]

Cerato wasn’t fishing

[light osprey]

and using cladistic positioning isn’t too reliable either, Alamosaurus jumps around quite a bit

[undone parcel]

pretty sure the fishing thing was a hypothesis that didnt get traction

[silk radish]

Wdym? It sometimes eated fish
SOMETIMES

[undone parcel]

doesnt mean it fished

[tranquil quartz]

It likely didn’t

[silk radish]

It had still a more variated diet, unless if this info was alr debunked-

[tranquil quartz]

The entire fishing idea was supported of the fact it has a deep tail like seen in crocodiles, but it shows no other aquatic or fishing adaptation.
Hence why the idea didn’t catch on

[silk radish]

Wich is prob what made it not have TOO MUCH competition with the other carnis

[undone parcel]

the only way it would probably eat fish is because the morrison was drought heavy

[tranquil quartz]

It also likely occupied a different niche than Allo and the other giants. Hence why it survived
But not fishing

[silk radish]

Blud i ain’t saying it had the spino adaptation, I’m saying that if it ever happened it would’ve eaten fish
Not ALL the time

It spended more of it’s time hunting smaller Dinos ofc

[light osprey]

It’s possible Ceratosaurus dabbled in the aquatic fauna more than it’s contemporaries.

[silk radish]

Like: (I think) Kentrosaurus

It didn’t live in Morrison right?-

[undone parcel]

tendaguru

[silk radish]

Yup-

[light osprey]

Scanova said something about which biosphere within the Morrison Ceratosaurus inhabits, I don’t quite remember

[silk radish]

Cera is quite of a gigachad tbh, it had pretty large theeth for it’s size-

[undone parcel]

no the teeth are overexaggerated into fangs

[silk radish]

Cera is my top fav mid-low sized theropod

[undone parcel]

2006, allo and cera suggested to live in same habitats and hunt same prey just with different feeding strategies

[light osprey]

Anything more… recent

[silk radish]

And I forgot a feature of the cera that I still don’t know if it’s confirmed….

[undone parcel]

just more arguing over semi aquatic prey theory

it should be noted the aquatic prey thing is based off shed teeth near water

[silk radish]

Did the Cera rrly have a toxic bite similar to a Komodo or not? (not identical)

[undone parcel]

...no...just no

[silk radish]

Aighty

Dilo vs Cera 🗿

[undone parcel]

cerato

[silk radish]

Yep

[light osprey]

Maybe Ceratosaurus hunted those Pseudosuchians of the Morrison?

[undone parcel]

dilo wasnt heavily built like cerato

[silk radish]

Cera prob had a harder time taking on the stegosaurus tbh-
Stego was a hard foe to take on

[undone parcel]

stegosaurus,Hesperasaurus and Alcovasaurus/Mirigaia

[silk radish]

Dilo in fact had a bite strong enough to puncture bone…..
Although yeah Cera wins

Bulkier and Stronger bite (arguably)

Well what abt…..
Cera vs Utahraptor?

[sullen cairn]

Cera’s over twice the size

[silk radish]

Wait fr?

I don’t see twice the size- (not offensive)

Oh bruh I forgot it was Utah raptor-

[woeful falcon]

Cera is also larger than dilo too iirc

[undone parcel]

cerat is like asking a bulldog to fight anything else

[silk radish]

Yeah Cera still wins

[drifting bear]

Good morning

[late atlas]

"Sir I don't care how loud you yell, we do not sell that item here."

[true lotus]

Hello I need some dinosaur experts to help me please. I've had this stuffed animal for years and I have no clue what he is. I don't even think he's based on a real dinosaur. But maybe? Idk. Does anyone know what he could be or is he just a silly little stuffed animal?

[astral kelp]

Imma take a wild guess and say it’s probably meant to be based on spinosaurus

[true lotus]

That's what I've always assumed but his face just doesn't match

[astral kelp]

I don’t think they were trying to go for accuracy

[true lotus]

It's like whoever made it mixed up the parts. Also probably true lol

[neat drum]

thats spinosaurus, old depictions of spinosaurus had a t-rex face

[covert lintel]

depending on how old he is, could be an outdated/retro spino? there was a time where it was thought to have a more stereotypical retro-theropod skull, instead of the funky skinny croc-ish face it's got now

[neat drum]

tbh you didn't really see a spinosaurid looking head in layman media until jurassic park

[heady thunder]

Good old retro spino, just big rex with a sail, simpler times.

[tough parcel]

JP3 goes so hard

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-jurassic-world-evolution-spinosaurus-species-profile-data-gif-22504114

[compact leaf]

simpler times, before we had to debate basically everything about it

[heady thunder]

Did that paper about the arms come out yet?

[compact leaf]

not yet afaik

[heady thunder]

No etas for that too I guess

[true lotus]

That definitely seems like what it is. Especially with how it's posed like a tripod like how older dinosaurs were depicted. Thank you guys for the clarification!

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/giganotosaurus-spinosaurus-fighting-tail-whip-gif-17336924

[silk radish]

Dear god I remember I used to watch that-

[heady thunder]

I dont even know what it is, I just used it for retro spino

[tranquil quartz]

Old Spino

[heady thunder]

Look at it, so graceful, built like a tank

[silk radish]

Blud built like a dimetrodon

[bright veldt]

1. Tyrannosaurus (12m, 10 tons)
2. Giganotosaurus (13m, 9 tons)
3. Deinocheirus (12m, 8.5 tons)
   4+5. Spinosaurus (14m, 7.5 tons), Tyrannotitan (12m, 7.5 tons)
   6+7. Carcharodontosaurus & Mapusaurus (12m, 7 tons)
4. Saurophagonax (13m, 6.5 tons)
   9, 10, 11, + 12. Acrocanthosaurus (12m, 5.5 tons), Suchomimus (12m, 5.5 tons), Therizinosaurus (9m, 5.5 tons), Tarbosaurus (11m, 5.5 tons)

Carch is likely bigger than stated here but there’s nothing substantial on that yet

[tranquil quartz]

Tyrannotitan upsize when?
It will never happen 😔

[clever sable]

Cope, while probably not 12.4 tonnes is still 10.8 tonnes (at least according to randomdinos) although cope is pretty fragmentary soooooo

[bright veldt]

10 tons is a nice general number not based on a single femur

[clever sable]

Yeah

[tough parcel]

For anyone curious on the big monke's better estimated size

[bright veldt]

Using this for now on cheers. Keep in mind Falcon refuses to not use tiny women so it looks bigger here than you might think

[tranquil quartz]

What is bro reaching for?

[tough parcel]

HAH, you say that, but this is the one woman who is ~1.8m

Though you are correct, everyone else is...kinda small

[next moss]

just like me frrr

[lavish frigate]

The monke 🙌

[rose gate]

Was there still a Brachiosauridae remained or living fossil at the time of Titanosaurs era?

[bright veldt]

I have no idea wtf ur talking about but Brachiosaurs and Titanosaurs had overlap. The last brachiosaurs seemed to be gone by the time the Late Cretaceous rolled around.

[rose gate]

I was just asking WTF are you in it about?
TF with that response?

[bright veldt]

I didn't say it to be rude I mean I literally couldn't understand what you were asking

[rose gate]

It's not a Google translation in that question, I bet most people will get that question.

[bright veldt]

[compact leaf]

the latest Brachiosaurids get to right around 90 million years ago with possibly some younger undescribed material, in some places it’s possible they lasted longer but we don’t have later cretaceous rock in the most likely places

[rose gate]

Thanks

[tranquil quartz]

😐

[gray briar]

it could also be an Ouranosaurus

[tough parcel]

(It's probably retro Spino)

Ouranosaurus isn't well-known enough to really have a plushie made of it. In modern times, maybe a paleo branch could do it, but I don't see large-scale companies knowing about it

[light osprey]

Is the Velociraptorine material in the Barun Goyot the one being attributed to Velociraptor in PhP?

[light oxide]

I think so, and then it was named Adasaurus, or something similar to it.

Red Raptor Writes talks about it in his outdated segment of his Prehistoric Planet review.

[light osprey]

Adasaurus is only known from Nemegt specifically I think

[light oxide]

Oh yeah -- I was thinking of that formation. My apologies. XD

[gloomy parcel]

YES

[silk radish]

btw juts asking to everyone, how many other dinosaurs are part of Ceratosauridae? (don't u dare search on google- 💀 )

becouse here is prob a dinosaur you've never maybe heard of, "Saltriovenator Zanellai" or how i nickname him.....The Italian Ceratosaur.

[sullen cairn]

saltriovenator's basal ceratosauria

[silk radish]

the animal wasn't descibed until 2018, there aren't many fossils of the dino so we don't rrly know how it rrly looked like, it was suggested that it lived near costal ereas since it was found near it, however we are not too sure abt it

[sullen cairn]

it gets depicted as ceratosaurus 2.0 because cau is a very funny man

[silk radish]

there is also a suggestion that it was considerably larger than ceratosaurus

[sullen cairn]

it's pretty consistently ~1500kg range

[silk radish]

aka: 7-8 m in lenght or 23-26 ft

we still do not know what it's actual size was due to it's fossils being fragmentary, my prediction is that the situation will prob end up like the debate between Saurophaganax being another Allosaurus tbh

[sullen cairn]

sinemurian ceratosaurus would be a trip
ergo no

[silk radish]

yeh

Italian Ceratosaurus 🇮🇹 🗿🤌

[sullen cairn]

ceratosauridae itself is pretty much just the ceratosaurus complex (including meriani, stechowi, roechlingi and co) and genyodectes

ostafrikasaurus is probably in there too and eoabelisaurus sometimes ends up as ceratosauridae during its routine cladistic seizures

[silk radish]

legit

[sullen cairn]

ceratosaurus complex is doing most of the complex with ceratosauridae tbh

[silk radish]

man ceratosauridea is pretty sad but mysterius......most of the fossils of it r fragmentary-

[sullen cairn]

welcome to ceratosauridae we have:

1. actually good north american material
2. teeth from uruguay
3. partial jaw from argentina
4. teeth from europe and two appendicular elements
5. teeth from tanzania
6. one caudal from tanzania
7. eoabelisaurus

👍 great clade

[silk radish]

i am stupid, was ceratosaurus cannibalistic?

[sullen cairn]

don't think if we can really say either way

[silk radish]

abelisaurids like majungasaurus were cannibalistic, right?

[sullen cairn]

majungasaurus was but we don't know if those were scavenging incidents or not

[silk radish]

Pycnonemosaurus: "i totally did not steal someone else's identity-" -stares carno menacingly-

[sullen cairn]

pycno suffers from "every abelisaurid is carnotaurus even though carnotaurus is very derived" syndrome

[silk radish]

fr

jurassic carnivore lore: Cera, Allo and Torvo in competition. Torvo dies means Allosaurus = Saurophaganax, Sauro/Allo becomes apex of enviroment and then everyone freaking dies -the end- (atleast that's what i understood-)

[sullen cairn]

megalosaurids might've hung on into the early cretaceous

[silk radish]

Megalosaurus is the definition of:** MR. WORLDWIDE** (if you know what i mean)

like how many dinosaurs have been yeeted in megalosauridae?-

[sullen cairn]

megalosaurus still has a bunch of "megalosaurus" spp floating around because they're undiagnostic beyond like neotheropoda and nobody cares about them

[silk radish]

yep, Megalosaurus def deserves the true title of "Mr. Worldwide"

[sullen cairn]

torvosaurus has a pretty wide distribution without the dumb wasebaskets

it's in uruguay like ceratosaurus as well NA and portugal plus possible england and germany

[silk radish]

btw i heard the discovered a brazilian spinosaurs

that is prob the og spino with a few more adaptations

[sullen cairn]

there's quite a few brazilian spinosaurids

[silk radish]

there is a spinosaurid that existed alongside ceratosaurus that is called "Ichtyovenator", wich shared the same enviroment with ceratosaurus, aka: Floodplain

[sullen cairn]

it also lived 30 million years later in laos

[silk radish]

Also yeah after a bit of research, Cera lived in floodplains and dense forests

[sullen cairn]

from what i remember brazilian spinosaurids consist of of irritator angaturama, oxalaia, that thing referred to sigilmassasaurus, and all the things in that romualdo spinosaurid paper

probably a few others floating around as well

[silk radish]

Fun fact: Irritator was named becouse it quite leterally Irritated the paleontologists trying to find it's remains

[sullen cairn]

me when crummy plastered altered skull

[silk radish]

man, poor spino can't just catch a break. Bro went from legit Godzilla to Stork/Pelican

[sullen cairn]

i'm more disgruntled over its taxonomy then its ecology at this point

[silk radish]

Rex when he finds out he had a primate-like intelligence:** :trollface:**

[sullen cairn]

measuring intelligence is kinda pointless anyways when any process isn't gonna be particularly reliable and intelligence manifests is different ways

[silk radish]

i guess you're right-

Scotty: Am da biggest rex

E.D Cope:** Cope**

[sullen cairn]

femoral circumference allometry 👍

we'll see if bertha's anything huge sometime as well

[silk radish]

Gotta love the fact the rex specimen "Bobby" is a female, that means Bertha could've been a Male-

[sullen cairn]

i need to stop thinking of berthasaura when i hear bertha

[vale saddle]

hi guys

[sullen cairn]

it's psyching me out

[silk radish]

we nead to call Bobby = Bobette

and if bertha rrly was a male we gutta call em: Bertho

[sullen cairn]

bertho sounds like a bean bag company

[silk radish]

lmao

Bobette and Bertho 🗿

[sullen cairn]

borth

[silk radish]

yeah borth is a better name lmao

[sullen cairn]

borthetto

[silk radish]

WHY DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A ITALIAN NAME?-

wait that means there is 50/50 chance scotty is also a female rex-

[alpine summit]

How accurate is this person's hypothesis on Ceratosaurus' osteoderms? Make sure to read the whole thing.
https://dinosaursandbarbarians.com/2020/04/06/ceratosaurus-osteoderms-a-revised-perspective/

[heady thunder]

Who cares just watch Jason Statham fight sharks.

[somber tartan]

Alright so what do y’all think is THE most paleo accurate andrewsarchus? I personally think it’s this, I’m not really a fan of the whole wolf look so something more hippo like is more accurate in my opinion

[somber tartan]

Not bad not bad, I can see it

[astral kelp]

Stuff like Alex James Andrew and BOTM Andrew are best

[somber tartan]

My only issue with that one is the hooves

Cause andrewsarchus is said to be more related to hippos, so I don’t see why it’d have hooves rather than feet like the one I showed

[bright veldt]

Hippos are ungulates. They have hooves too, just don’t look quite the same way.

Andrewsarchus was closer to entelodonts than anything else and they have hooves like that.

[astral kelp]

Considering Andrewsarchus is the sister taxon to entelodontidae

[light osprey]

Gbones I summon thy

[little mauve]

What's up, feel free to @ me

[light osprey]

Is the Barun Goyot indet. Velociraptorine material the one supposedly indistinguishable from V. mongoliensis?

[astral kelp]

@little mauve

[little mauve]

Yes there's indeterminate velociraptorine material from Barun Goyot & Nemegt that I think is pretty indistinguishable

Jerzykiewicz et al. 2021 has a good list of fauna by site, it's a good breakdown of the region in general

[light osprey]

Oopsies, anyway thanks I’ll check it out

[little mauve]

No problemo

[elfin pulsar]

Hippos got hooves

[snow python]

How big was Prionosuchus?

[silk radish]

Pretty small tbh
Funny prehistoric amphibian

[elfin pulsar]

I’ve seen this a lot not sure how accurate

Pretty big if it’s right

[silk radish]

He got his size buffed now?
I think before he was shorter

[tranquil quartz]

Nah iirc its like the second largest temnospondyl behind Mastodonosaurus

[elfin pulsar]

I think you just had wrong info

I’ve never heard of prionosuchus being small at least

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah its pretty big, I think it used to be considered the biggest temnospondyl but Mastodonsaurus got upsized

[silk radish]

My iq is comparable to that of a turtle then-

[light osprey]

Okay I’ve read through Jerzykiewicz’s paper, seems to be the one suggesting the formations making up the Nemegt Basin as coeval. Pretty neat

[bright veldt]

It’s the longest amphibian on record. Like others said Mastodonosaurus beats it in sheer size though.

[silk radish]

Beelzebufo loosing his chad big frog status:

[tranquil quartz]

Beelzebufo is absolutely tiny

[silk radish]

IK :sad:

[tranquil quartz]

What are Mastodonosaurus’s largest estimates again? I heard 600kg somewhere but

[astral kelp]

Eocene Giant Frog pulled up:

[silk radish]

Bro just had the same demise as the dunkleosteus

[tranquil quartz]

I don’t think it has, iirc its always been tiny

[bright veldt]

Like, 2 tons

[tranquil quartz]

That is a big amphibian

[silk radish]

Gawd Dayum

[light osprey]

Paleo chat try not to talk about how much something weighs challenge (impossible)

[silk radish]

Fr

[astral kelp]

Let’s talk about how the Pleistocene is cool

[light osprey]

Based topic

[keen forum]

ppl love large animals XD

[astral kelp]

There is more too large animals than just mass

[bright veldt]

Eh mass=size

[light osprey]

What does that have to do what what Zenob said 😐

[silk radish]

Fax

[tranquil quartz]

Carboniferous is cooler

[astral kelp]

We’re you responding to me?

[oak delta]

Where was parasaurolophus tubicen from?

[sullen cairn]

kirtland formation

[oak delta]

thanks

[tight hatch]

Opinion on this Paleo art

[tough parcel]

Bad, there's no reason for Cryo to have that amount of feathering + facial disk is an incredibly specialized adaptation to have

[fallow citrus]

okay but like… it looks kewl

[tough parcel]

Still not good or accurate 😎

[neat drum]

Artistically fantastic and well done, really nice piece of fantasy, but not accurate at all

[light osprey]

A bit ironic, overly feathered, but still lipless

[tight hatch]

yeah, it is more to be cool and pretty than relistic

[stark pasture]

Its also ironic that retro carnivores had lips and only when it turned to around the 90s did they all lose them

[vocal breach]

Speaking of not-so-paleo art, I need an accuracy check (ik it will be bad but funny)

[tight hatch]

i like em

[vocal breach]

I may have made Rexes teeth a bit too large

[tight hatch]

prob something i would draw

ik dinos had lips but i always draw them without (its easier to me)

[vocal breach]

They just be happy

Showing their chompers off

I like what I did with gigas teeth tho

[tight hatch]

ye

[astral kelp]

this is a massive glowup

[bright veldt]

Is the new one gunna be a separate mod, new sub, what exactly?

[astral kelp]

same model, same skins, same animations, accurate model, new subs

[bright veldt]

So this one’s just being added on to the base ones.

[astral kelp]

Being replaced (completely), but yes.

[bright veldt]

I feel like more people would be happy if the andrews have a PT scaly vs feathered Utah situation. The current andrews ye have are a bit iconic at this point.

[heady thunder]

You cannot remove the model which got some paleoexpert panties on a twist, that was way too cool.

[astral kelp]

That was the goal but the lead decided to completely replace it + its not like its getting swapped in a week, maybe a month or two before it replaces it so people can enjoy it while they can.

[clever sable]

Will the chunky version still be available as a variation?

[astral kelp]

Possibly? I mean we'd have to see.

[stark pasture]

A sub that looks more like the outdated wolf reconstruction would be awsome.

[heady thunder]

Hippo, wolf and, whatever that thing is.

[astral kelp]

thats planned.

[clever sable]

It would be nice to keep it as a subspecies because hippo pig is cool

[clever sable]

But..... Why...... That's like reconstructing spino as JP spino....... And wasn't the model changed because of accuracy?

[astral kelp]

#modding

[covert lintel]

i'm late to the convo but i've got opinions anyway
the facial disk is interesting speculation, but the way it's been done here is... very strange, and doesn't seem particularly functional. it looks more like a giant neck ruff, imo. with birds, the animal's size is exaggerated by the feathers so much because they need them to form a smooth, aerodynamic shape, but for a ground-dwelling animal with no known flighted ancestors, it doesn't make all that much sense.
falcon's also right that a facial disk is a pretty specialized adaptation (i think a proper facial disk has only popped up in a small handful of birds? owls and kākāpō, primarily) - it might be useful for nocturnal animals that end up specializing in better hearing over better eyesight, but most reptiles seem to get by fine without any sort of auricle-analogue, nocturnal or not.
's also, almost paradoxically, kinda shrinkwrapped; the antorbital fenstra is weirdly prominent considering how heavily feathered the face is, and it appears to be lipless

[light osprey]

I think something of an amalgamous structure to facial disks is hypothesised in Alvarezsaurids

[compact leaf]

mononykus has one in prehistoric planet and iirc it was based off something, I don’t remember what though

[bright veldt]

I think it might’ve been how the ears worked

[light osprey]

They have a really big Lagena, but I think overall the ear possessed a lot of similarities to Strigiformes

[little mauve]

Brain too, very large acoustic lobes in alvarezsaurids

[covert lintel]

i don't think there's direct evidence for the structure, but if i'm recalling right at least one alvarezsaurid seems to have had asymmetrical ears, similar to owls. that (alongside all the other evidence that's been mentioned) implies a heavy reliance on hearing, so a facial disk wouldn't be too Out There on those lads

(note: can't remember which alvarezsaurid i'm thinking of here, wikipedia isn't doing me any favours and is only talking about shuvuuia's huge lagena. i'm guessing i probably heard it from PhP since i recall finding nothing about it on wikipedia in the past, so take it with a grain of salt i guess)

[little mauve]

Darren Naish has posted about it & I generally trust him but I can't find the original source either

[bright veldt]

It was Shuuvia

[light osprey]

That’s why I said hypothesised, I can’t find anything else as substantial either other than Shuvuuia

[little mauve]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abe7941

"The hearing-related anatomy of Shuvuuia, comprising an exceptionally elongate endosseous cochlear duct and the presence of a secondary bony lamina, is highly comparable to that of the barn owl among extant birds"

An undescribed troodontid was also found to be an outlier for auditory specialization 👀

[little mauve]

In fact, I found the source for ear asymmetry and that is based on troodontids
https://docentes.fct.unl.pt/omateus/publications/left-right-asymmetry-dinosaurs

[light osprey]

I wonder what this auditory specialisation is for, ecologically

[little mauve]

Nocturnal foraging is pretty likely

And specifically auditory foraging

[wary panther]

No mods?, You already know whats going to happen >:)

uh oh

Who made that reply?

Ok if I do this correctly, chances are no one might see it, I have to make calculations first before I do it

[late atlas]

Is it historically accurate for my Dino to avoid Dinosaur Taxes 🧐

[wary panther]

No, even birds pay taxes

[late atlas]

I will see myself out now after that joke

[light oxide]

I got a question for the more knowledgeable peeps here -- is the length estimate for Metriacanthosaurus, at the moment, around 8 meters?

[bright veldt]

Yes, specifically 7.5 meters tmk

[astral kelp]

do we know the height?

[bright veldt]

Bout 2 meters?

[sullen cairn]

dan's is 7.4m standing and 2.3m at the hip

[light oxide]

Interesting.

[ancient crystal]

What was the largest theropod capable of running?

[jagged trellis]

define running, anyways id imagine maybe giga if we talking just: move faster, as in a higher end speed for size, idk

[ancient crystal]

Not just moving fast, like proper running where both feet were off the ground for however short a timeframe

[astral kelp]

Most theropods loose air time when they get over 4t iirc

[jagged trellis]

i'm trying to rake my brain for a reasonable answer, anyways consistent air time when moving limbs, 4-5 ton zone so like...sauro yeah?, now i'm wondering if theri could

[astral kelp]

Considering Theri is 5.5t I’d doubt it’d be getting air time

[ancient crystal]

Theri just doesn't look like it would be going anywhere fast, built like a bowling pin

[jagged trellis]

for a run id imagine its on the edge where it could count for tickle chicken, tho theri is built wonkly that is true, sauro is probably the safest guess then

[pearl briar]

:3

[stray wren]

Therizinosaurus also has the stipulation of having rather short legs and walking plantigrade. It's not built for speed in the slightest

[static zodiac]

Hey peeps may i ask the average size of a spinosaurus, i need some up to date information for a school project of mine.

[snow python]

Maybe 10-12m and ~5 tons but wait for more opinions

[vestal slate]

Theri was fully plantigrade? First time I hear of this

[stray wren]

It's still up in the air, but given some trackways attributed to it and relatives it's likely most Therizinosaurs were

[heady thunder]

Nooou fast theri

[chilly knot]

Afaik the borderline was 3-4t

[snow python]

Were Torvosaurus tanneri and Torvosaurus gurneyi the same size?

[astral kelp]

Not really

gurneyi was bigger

[vale saddle]

gurneyi could mess up a allo real bad

[silk radish]

Yezzir

[snow python]

How big were torvosaurus t. and torvosaurus g?

[slow marsh]

in average size yes I think, but edmarka rex was bigger

@snow python

[keen forum]

wait what no?

they are about the same size, but the largest torvo is Edmarka Rex which is Tanneri

Torvosaurus gurneyi: 10.3m, 3.9t (ML 1100) based on justices chart vs Tanneri at 11.4m and 5.2tons

[rich ermine]

what is stronger torvosaurus g or yangchuano

[keen forum]

like bite force or strength?

[rich ermine]

like in a fight

im guessing yang has a stronger bite force

[light osprey]

Curious as to why that’s your assumption

[keen forum]

well from what we know torvo has the stronger bite and is larger and heavier so it maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe stronger physically

[rich ermine]

huh

i thought yang has a stronger bite force

[keen forum]

torvo's bite seem to be around 1.7-2+ tons of force it has a bite stronger than acro's iirc

[light osprey]

For reference in your hypothetical, Y. shangyouensis generates 3,000N anteriorly

[rich ermine]

But how about the european torvosaurus?

[keen forum]

wouldn't be that much weaker than then american and it is also larger as well

[rich ermine]

The yang measured bigger but clearly more agile as torvo.g is heavier..

i keep reading the wrong things

yea yang is not in the conversation with torvo

[keen forum]

CV00216; 3965kg
Length along the : 10.5m
yangs weight and size

[rich ermine]

Torvo and allo is not a debate tbh

[keen forum]

no no it's not not unless the allo has much more numbers torvo is more than likely gonna do as it pleases

[rich ermine]

mhm\

[fossil aspen]

still wish we had an offical torvo

[ancient crystal]

Today I learned David Peters butchers more than just pterosaurs and now I'm sad

[light oxide]

. . .

[silver herald]

I would assume so since Yang was much slimer built than torvo would have been

[turbid wigeon]

What chat do I need to be in?

[ancient crystal]

Probably #xbox-help or just #path-of-titans

[light osprey]

I’m pretty sure he does everything

[tough parcel]

@stray wren Therizinosaurs were likely not plantigrade, there's no reason for them to be + the tracks you are referring to were made in incredibly soft mud iirc, so it's likely they were just slip marks or the elements eroded them slightly. And if that doesn't convince you, the paper's 20+ years old and still referred to therizinosaurs as "segnosaurs", so their diagnosis of the tracks might not be 100% solid

[stray wren]

Fair enough

[ancient crystal]

I was under the impression he did only pterosaurs, now I want to see what he does to well studied theropods like tyrannosaurus

[tough parcel]

AFAIK he hasn't touched Tyrannosaurus? But he has touched other related theropods (Yutyrannus comes to mind)

[vestal slate]

Thought it was a very weird theory lol, ty for the clarification!

[compact leaf]

what did he do to yutyrannus? at least with the pterosaurs I know what to expect with him, hearing he did something with a dinosaur just makes me nervous

[tough parcel]

He made it an allosaur 😌

[compact leaf]

oh my

[chilly knot]

Based

[light osprey]

Absolutely filthy

[compact leaf]

maybe we should let him take a crack at titanosaur phylogeny, it's not like he can make it any worse

[chilly knot]

My man David knew how to make Yuty even better🗣️🗣️🔥

[heady bay]

Nah that would be if he made it a Megaraptorid lol

Or a Compsognathid lmao

[unborn bane]

Reminder to please remain respectful. While critique is acceptable, paleo chat is not a place to make fun of or insult other people's art or depictions.

[tranquil quartz]

🧢

[lavish frigate]

Pain

[keen forum]

they are close in size it's just torvo is a bit bulkier but not by much tho

[chilly knot]

Nuh uh

[undone parcel]

3 new chinese dinosaurs including decently complete stegosaur with skin impressions

[drifting bear]

Go on

[light osprey]

Yuh huh

[undone parcel]

no idea if their described i just saw the fossils

[drifting bear]

Nice

[undone parcel]

yea this came out..a hour ago on twitter? i think ones a ceratopsian too..

[drifting bear]

Ceratopsian? Interesting

[tough parcel]

Only one is described ATM

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06513-7

[undone parcel]

oh is that new theropod part of the trio

[tough parcel]

Apparently

[snow python]

Os there any evidence T-Rex preyed on sauropods?

[tranquil quartz]

Yuh huh

[undone parcel]

alamosaurus may or may not have co existed with rex

[tranquil quartz]

Pretty sure they share some formations

[tough parcel]

I mean, there's alleged bite marks on Alamosaurus, but they're only attributed to "theropod"

[undone parcel]

the closest we have is "Alamotyrannus" in the Ojo Alamo

maybe some alamo bits up north but i cant remember

[woeful falcon]

there's also the other thing one has to account for: evidence that it ate sauropod does not necessarily mean it preyed on them. A sauropod carcass I imagine is something isn't easily passed on

[tough parcel]

On Alamotyrannus:

[woeful falcon]

Tarbo is the only one I know of with any conclusive evidence that sauropod was a part of its diet.

[undone parcel]

tarbo i think however is more likley chance of sauropod predation

[tough parcel]

However, it is important to acknowledge that there seem to be bladed teeth not belonging to Tyrannosaurus down south

[tough parcel]

To be fair, that's the only tyrannosaur (to my knowledge) who has had an isotopic study done on it

[woeful falcon]

I don't know the inner workings of an isotopic study, but it is interesting if Tarbo beats Tyrannosaurus to the punch in that regard lol

[tough parcel]

I don't know either except that certain molecules can be measured in the bone to indicate where an animal lives and what it ate

[undone parcel]

i hope Alamotyrannus becomes a valid name..it more then likley wont but "Tyrant of the Alamo" or Alamo Tyrant just sounds so cool

[tranquil quartz]

As with all cool names they eventually become invalid
As was the case with Suchosaurus ‘Crocodile Lizard’

[undone parcel]

torosaurus gladius

[snow python]

Is Torvosaurus Ingens valid?

[ancient crystal]

Sounds like it would be

[spare knot]

would this be an accurate representation of the size difference between albert and diablo?

this is my understanding of their sizes

[light osprey]

It did, they are contemporary in at least Javelina

North Horn as well, Ojo Alamo has attributed material to T. rex. And Evanston probably had Tyrannosaurus present, just nothing preserved.

[undone parcel]

yea Ojo has "Alamotyrannus"

i saw a..youtube thumbnail that reminded me of..those big Australian footprints that imply a near rex sized theropod?

[tough parcel]

Last I checked, they weren't really that big + footprint scaling L

[undone parcel]

i just forgot they existed honestly

[tough parcel]

Good, keep it that way

[undone parcel]

wasnt it more impressive they were on like a mine ceiling

footprints just...only interest me depending on if they imply something new like the supposed Therizinosaur prints in alaska..thats actually interesting prints or prints preserving hunting behavior like some of the Paluxy river ones..

[light osprey]

Just call it Tyrannosaurus 🥱

[astral kelp]

ight so who tf wrote that toucans evolved from sharks, lmao?

[undone parcel]

ill call it tyrannosaurus when the paper comes out cause personally Alamotyrannus is a better name

so..Gallimimus is probably the biggest non Deinocheiruid Ornithomimosaur right?

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-meme-confused-gif-24780938

[undone parcel]

what? alamo just sounds cool, rolls off the tongue nice

dont hate just cause rex aint top 5 or 10 favorite dinosaur names or what not, cant say i have a favorite

does Gallimimus have any media really outside the JP franchise...cause i dont recall it appearing anywhwere else

[light osprey]

Idk, I think it and Beishanlong roughly shared the second largest Ornithomimosaur place

[undone parcel]

i thought Bei was technically a Deinocheiruid

[light osprey]

Apparently that cladogram was wrong or something

[undone parcel]

im sorry tyrannomimus?

is that what i saw this morning?

[light osprey]

It appears so

[undone parcel]

why am i not surprised they fit fukui into the name

[light osprey]

Kitadani is kind of neat ngl

[undone parcel]

wait this paper also says Aviatyrannis might be a basal ornithomimosaur now

[sullen cairn]

sanchusaurus is larger and if it's basal enough it could be outside deinocheirdidae

[undone parcel]

whats Tyrannomimus's size estimates then...

[sullen cairn]

not big

[astral kelp]

he's also butchered homotherium calling it a canid instead of a felid, and his logic in that blog is flawed.

[fallow citrus]

chin

[undone parcel]

god i remember the canid homotherium

[astral kelp]

oh and also calling andrewsarchus a tenrec based relative

[undone parcel]

dont know why i expected something bigger just cause it was in Deinocheriuidae

[sullen cairn]

the name doesn't help

[undone parcel]

yea i heard tyrant mimic and expected not.. a smaller animal

the uhh new chinese stegosaur fossil..whats the chance its a new genus

[chilly knot]

72.82737%

[light osprey]

The conservative estimateTM

[undone parcel]

the few good images i have seen i cant tell if it has spikes, plates or nothing preserved

[chilly knot]

My analysis was very profound indeed

[lavish frigate]

Thanks I wanna cry now 👍

[deft sigil]

Reminder to please remain respectful. While critique is acceptable, paleo chat is not a place to make fun of or insult other people's art or depictions.

[astral kelp]

I am not really insulting just stating the flaws of his claims

[deft sigil]

The comment being disrespectful was deleted, this was not in reference to your post specifically.

[astral kelp]

the one where I said the logic in the homotherium blog is flawed?

[woeful falcon]

are we talking about David Peters because the dude is a blight on paleo

[astral kelp]

I dont really recall saying anything disrespectful other than his work is "flawed" (being the most)

[deft sigil]

It was not your comment. We just do not tolerate calling individuals a lunatic.

Please remember while taking part in paleo discussion:
While critique is acceptable, paleo chat is not a place to make fun of or insult other people's art or depictions

[astral kelp]

Ah ok thought you we're warning me

[undone parcel]

paleo franchise that needs to make a comeback: Fossil Fighters

[sudden wind]

Me when the cat faced cat is suggested to be a dog

[chilly knot]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373708840_Dinosaur_eggs_with_fossilized_embryos_on_the_Moon

[compact leaf]

wow most real paper I’ve ever seen

[late atlas]

How does the Styra differ from the Triceratops?

[stiff osprey]

Styra is a centrosaurine, so the horns above its eyes are very small, while the horn on the nose is much larger. Trike is a chasmosaurine, and has the opposite horn design

Styracosaurus also has large holes in its frill (most ceratopsians do, but Triceratops doesn't), and is like 3 times smaller

[late atlas]

Anything else?

[stiff osprey]

There's a ton of small differences but you would need to look through scientific papers to find them, they are hard af to memorize