paleontology

[ebon eagle]

No I’m saying it wouldn’t do good against MOST of the roster

[bright veldt]

(Not to mention, given what modern Komodo dragons can do, megalania taking on prey as large as lambeosaurus is possible)

[stiff osprey]

Megalania is venomous, though, so maybe just buff its venom so it would still be viable

[bright veldt]

Megalania’s only real issue stat wise is it’s awful stam. Even then it being smaller would likely benefit it in being harder to hit when it’s ankle biting.

[ebon eagle]

I’m aware

[ebon eagle]

Do Komodo’s have good stam irl?

[bright veldt]

Monitors in general have the best stamina of all reptiles.

[bitter oasis]

I apologies, but as per rules we don't allow posting any kind of gore or dead animals, so i will have to remove the video! Thank you for understanding.

[ebon eagle]

Ok nice

[honest wave]

It's Labor Day weekend, I can now fully lose myself in mapping out passeriformes

[light osprey]

Definitely a way to spend Labour Day

[light osprey]

what does that emoji mean

[honest wave]

You spelled labor with a U

[light osprey]

Ohhhh

[honest wave]

And the players have entered the field

[stone tartan]

I like to believe that herbivores like Triceratops and Ankylosaurus evolve to actually counter Tyrannosaurus rather than being the other way around

[covert lintel]

it was probably a mutual thing afaik

[bright veldt]

^

[compact leaf]

@tough parcel do you have the rex paleoloxodon comparison handy?

[compact leaf]

god bless

[clever sable]

I'm guessing that's not the palaeoloxodon that's based on the missing femur

[tough parcel]

Narp, specifically avoided that

[light oxide]

Not sure on the validity of this, but I heard that there may be been Allosaurus teeth marks on some bones that were thought to have been "chewed" (chewed in quotation marks since they couldn't actually chew) by Allosaurus. Is this true or nah?

[light osprey]

It’s a mutual relationship.

[north quail]

Alr so I wanna get good at paleo art, BUT I drew an inostravencivia without reference or fossil whatever, is this good paleo art?

I feel like the nose ridge is to big maybe, I don’t feel like changing it but I’ll make more so

[woeful falcon]

Looks too dinosaur, what with the brow scales and, well, any scales at all. Like a T. rex with fangs

[covert lintel]

yeah it looks more like a strange tyrannosaurus than a gorgonopsid. the teeth extend too far past the chin, too - or maybe it'd be more accurate to say the chin's too shallow?
sidenote, i might be wrong here but it feels like having the canine teeth hangin' out wouldn't be very good for 'em? like, idk maybe i'm opening a whole can of worms here a la the smilodon situation, but generally i'm of the opinion that if there's not good reason for the teeth to be out, it's probably safer to assume they weren't, and inost's canines seem just short enough that they could, perhaps, be covered...

[tough parcel]

Witton wrote a whole blog on it, but it’s been actual years since I’ve read it so

[heavy prairie]

I believe path of titans reasoning for megs awful stam is that monitor lizards cant breathe while running, which isn't true for some/most cases, it just so happens that the komodo dragon can't do it

[bright veldt]

the komodo dragon can do it tho

[heavy prairie]

Really ?

Huh I've read it everywhere that they can't

My apologies then

[honest wave]

As others have said, it looks far too reptilian. It’s talented art for sure, but the scales, bosses, and what appears to be a visible antorbital fenestra are all very dinosaurian traits.

Especially the antorbital fenestra, which only archosauriforms have. It’s also only really that prominent in theropods specifically and likely wouldn’t be outlined when covered with tissue.

Also, like others have said, the teeth didn’t extend that far and probably were at least mostly covered.

I want to highlight again though that is is still very nice art, just not really a good inostrancevia.

[fathom haven]

can i know who knows Prior Extinction in Roblox?

[covert lintel]

oh, yep, it's absolutely good art! not accurate doesn't mean it's Objectively Bad, the style's quite nice

[honest wave]

I want to make sure that point still gets across, since I know a lot of folks feel discouraged when people point out issues with their art. I think you should absolutely continue making stuff like this if it’s what you enjoy, and you definitely have a knack for it.

[north quail]

Also ik paleo art is completely accurate but it’s my fault for adding the longer teeth because it looked cooler, that was just for fun, and this drawing helped me figure out how to shade and draw properly ish on procreate, thanks for y’all’s feedback!! Highly appreciate it

So since it’s not exactly accurate, I’ll just say this was a detailed sketch for fun, helping me get into paleo art

[solid salmon]

I wanna see this one day☹️✌️

[viscid surge]

Is that the specimen at the natural history museum?

[solid salmon]

Idk lmao

[light osprey]

What the heck

I think someone needs to take it upon themselves to change how people view therapsids

[viscid surge]

What are therapsids

[light osprey]

A group of synapsids

[viscid surge]

Ok Ty

[steady rock]

i know this would probably be hard to know but, could Attercopus fimbriungus spin webs or would it hunt more like a jumping spider/wolf spider?

[stiff osprey]

Probably hunted on the ground

[compact leaf]

do we know when web making developed?

[viscid surge]

Around 1989 according to google

[woeful falcon]

No one correct this please that was such a beautiful answer

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-say-what-huh-sorry-gif-13287152

[viscid surge]

Yes fr

Anyone able to tell me what the latest theories on spino are?

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-dinosaur-slap-gif-25074058

[viscid surge]

Thank you sir 🙏

[clever sable]

200+ foot spino moment

[ancient crystal]

Ignoring the blatant disregard for anything scientific, why do all those old dinosaur docs feel the same?

Lile the cgi and the weird washed out look on all the environments is pretty consistent among them

[heady thunder]

Depends which dino docs youre talking about

[viscid surge]

I suppose you’re making an exception for the walking with series’s right?

[ancient crystal]

Yea

[light osprey]

The way this Carcharodontosaurus looks so insignificant

[heady thunder]

I like the carch look here, it was fighting godzilla so no chance.

[clever sable]

It's Better than PD carch imo

[heady thunder]

Whats pd, prehistoric dong?

[light osprey]

My thoughts exactly

[clever sable]

Planet dinosaur

[heady thunder]

Nah, PD has a cooler carch.

[clever sable]

Nah because it loses to spino

[heady thunder]

It tied and didnt die of infection.

[clever sable]

I do like how it's colorful though

[light osprey]

To be frank I don’t remember any of these documentaries

[heady thunder]

Plus that wasnt the b*tchmade modern spino, it was og huge legs spino

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-fishing-dinosaur-walk-gif-17288231

[clever sable]

Yeah but it was still fish eating spino

[heady thunder]

It was basically a sailed crocodile brown bear

[viscid surge]

10 metres onchopristis

[ancient crystal]

Speaking of terrible dinosaur documentaries, weren't there actual scientists brought on to Dinosaur with Stephen Fry? Wouldn't those people be discrediting themselves?

[stiff osprey]

F for Susie Maidment

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, she was the person talking about allo right?

[stiff osprey]

Ironically, considering she's a stegosaur specialist

[heady thunder]

I hope they payed Susie enough for her to talk about bullsh#t

[woeful falcon]

I like pretending that doc didn't exist

[scarlet moon]

Bruh I remember watching it and was immediately disappointed like 💀 worst documentary off all time

[heady thunder]

Id rather watch Monster Resurected than that thing.

[scarlet moon]

Facts

[light oxide]

Monsters Resurrected did bring us a very good looking Acrocanthosaurus -- not the green one. THIS one:

[vocal breach]

https://youtu.be/uOf4dWoMN7s?si=99RM_J94Ii9Q5xWP

[light oxide]

Well . . . Never thought I would see the day when a tyrannosaurus is named "Cope."

._.

[north quail]

I think you should not be so rude, I took time to draw that and the response I get is “what the heck that’s not how you draw that”. Smh.

[wide glen]

its bigger then scotty, its telling him to cope

[light osprey]

Yeah sorry retrospectively it was definitely rude, I left my intended reaction under

[compact leaf]

I can’t watch the video rn someone give me the tl;dr of what it’s saying and if it’s reliable

[north quail]

Yeah cuz I want to get better at paleo stuff but I want feedback but not that, thanks for apologizing tho!

And I’ll redraw the ino, make it more accurate

[light oxide]

Basically, it's saying that we have a potential 13.3 m long, 12.4 tonnes tyrannosaurus specimen through fragmentary remains named "E. D. Cope."

Not sure on the validity of the specimen, so can't comment on that front.

[light osprey]

Hey just wanna let you know it’s still very pretty art, honest truth

[north quail]

Thanks, and yeah it’s not accurate XD ik I didn’t use any reference or skeletal whatever so, lol, thanks again

[chilly knot]

video is good

[astral kelp]

The measurement available lacks the reliability required to establish a consistent scaling method.

[hot hearth]

Does anyone know how fast Scelidosaurus could have ran. I have searched for a while but can’t find anything and was wondering if anyone knew.

[normal folio]

how heavy was shant ?

[bright veldt]

15 tons

[steady rock]

i have a question, can dakotaraptor and Bruhathkaysaurus be consider prehistoric cryptids?

[woeful falcon]

I wouldn't say that. Being dubious is different than being a cryptid

[steady rock]

oh, okay

[heady thunder]

We know they exist, cryptids we dont.

[sullen cairn]

they're cryptids but both exist in at least some capacity though dakotaraptor is barely verifiable besides some teeth and vertebrae(?) while bruhath has really crappy figures

[steady rock]

i thought dakotaraptor didnt exist, neither did Bruhathkaysaurus

[woeful falcon]

Cryptozoology is a pseudoscience. I wouldn't equate them to pseudoscientific creatures of imagination

[sullen cairn]

dakotaraptor "exists" in the sense there was a medium-large dromaeosaur in hell creek
problem is depalma's a royal piece of work and likes to steal/make up stuff so we can't really trust him

[steady rock]

ooh

[sullen cairn]

Meanwhile bruhathkaysaurus' material up and disintegrated

and the ilium's probably a theropod

[steady rock]

was there any actually evidence of the material existing?

[sullen cairn]

I think there's photos

[tough parcel]

It could be an actual science if the scientific community would actually take a crack at finding the more plausible ones (Not stupid things like Blob Bob or smth)...tbh Bigfoot's the only valid cryptid, no others exist

[steady rock]

chubicabra 😦

would that just be a hairless dog with rabies now that i think of it?

[woeful falcon]

giant squids.

[sullen cairn]

bruhath photos

[woeful falcon]

the giant cephalopods are the only things of myth or crypotozoology I would even entertain as valid and studied proper by science, because, well, they are lol

[tranquil quartz]

Theres some really stupid ones out there for example this one which is literally just a landslide

[light osprey]

Ah my favorite cryptid, Architeuthis dux

[steady rock]

i know this might be a stupid question but would dinosaurs have the ability to get Alopecia?

[tough parcel]

What's that

[steady rock]

it makes you bald, just like this bear

[clever sable]

We don't even know if it's large as the measurements could just be greatly exaggerated

[woeful falcon]

if birds get it then yeah perhaps.

[steady rock]

Balding mynas, it makes their head bald i think

[bright veldt]

Bruhathkay was an animal that existed, and was huge, likely around argentino’s size. That’s about all we can say about it though.

Meanwhile Dakota is either a dubious taxa to be ignored or is just a larger acheroraptor specimen.

[sullen cairn]

luckily we have the very well drawn figures

[steady rock]

bruhathkay looks so much bigger then argentina

or its just fat

[clever sable]

I don't think the idea of it being a large acheroraptor specimen isn't really supported due to differences on the teeth iirc, I could be wrong though

[bright veldt]

There’s been various estimates given to Bruh. I go with the original interpretation that revalidated the taxa. The only other paper that goes into Bruh size is one by GSP and Larramedi which I heard wasn’t that great so I ignore it.

[clever sable]

The scaling is likely off by a good bit

[tulip dove]

We also don't have any actual fossils anymore from Bruha, correct?

[bright veldt]

Saying it’s about argentino size and leaving it at that is pretty simple and vague enough for a taxa we barely knew anything about and whose remains are no more

[steady rock]

could Attercopus fimbriungus spin webs or would it hunt more like a jumping spider/wolf spider?

would it even have the ability to make a leap like that seeing how large it was?

[light osprey]

I wouldn’t even attempt to ascertain any mass estimate at all.

[light oxide]

Btw, apparently, the fossil that is used in the "Cope Rex" video above is a BHI fossil.

[stiff osprey]

Wait where did bro get 13.3 meters and 12.4 tonnes

[light oxide]

He explains in the video.

[light oxide]

Replying to it so that ye can get to it easier: ^^

[clever sable]

Also apparently there may be one even bigger than cope if this statement includes cope

[bright veldt]

Femur circumference measurements that were from GSP's 3 rex species paper.

[stiff osprey]

ah, this is just the upper end of the error bars

I thought he was claiming a 12 t rex was conservative, which. No.

[bright veldt]

He did the upper end based on how Scotty's GDI mass is higher than the femur circumerference baseline

[stiff osprey]

weird method but ok

[clever sable]

Nah, he said 10.7 was conservative iirc

[bright veldt]

The methods are fair enough but I ain't gunna parade around a 12 ton rex lol.

[light oxide]

Of course, a proper study into it would probably be the best to determine whether or not Cope was bigger.

[clever sable]

Personally im just gonna say it may be 12 tonnes but around 11 is more likely

[light oxide]

Wait a moment -- Randomdinos, didn't ye and the JFD team come up with a heavier tyrannosaurus before?

[clever sable]

The JFD tyrannosaurus added too much soft tissue iirc

[light osprey]

Wow, these are the discussions I live for. Mass 😐

[bright veldt]

y yes, mass

[stiff osprey]

Synchro came up with a 13 t rex, I said absolutely not and we whittled it down to 11.4 t

[light osprey]

No dorsal fin?

[clever sable]

Well now maybe a 13 tonne rex isn't impossible because cope MAY be 12.4 although I do have my doubts

[bright veldt]

Its debated whether or not shastasaurs would've had dorsals. It would work out phylogenetically but most massive marine animals lose the need for them.

[stiff osprey]

yeah, just don't consider the 12.4t one lmao

[light osprey]

Reduced one?

[bright veldt]

possibly

[clever sable]

Ehhhh, I mean, I will mention it but for now I'm gonna go with ~11

[light osprey]

Considering dorsal fins in Ichthyosaurs, what’s the largest one with a preserved dorsal fin?

[clever sable]

I'm interested in seeing how large Bertha ends up being

[stiff osprey]

Going by the mounted foot bones I am skeptical that she will be very big. But foot scaling is foot scaling

[clever sable]

If she does end up being 10+ tonnes that might mean 10 tonne rexes weren't as rare as we thought

[light oxide]

I see. XD

I'm assuming ye were mortified when ye saw that Synchro said the Rex was 13 t?

[stiff osprey]

I had to show my Sue multiview, which was a private commission (at least an outline of it) in the end. But it worked

[clever sable]

The only reason I consider it is because of how insanely wide it's femur is

[stiff osprey]

I'm aware, it's only 7% wider than Scotty

[clever sable]

Well, assuming that means the whole creature 7% bigger than Scotty you get a big creature, not 12 tonnes big but still huge enough that if you add a decent bit more soft tissue you can probably get 12 tonnes seeing that using the skeletal you made JFD was able to get 11+ tonnes for sue

[stiff osprey]

a little over 11 is achievable if you put some extra tissue on my Sue, yes

[clever sable]

I'm not saying 12.4 is the best estimate for it, I'm basically just saying it's not completely unreasonable either

[white matrix]

Birds are robots

[keen forum]

just gonna drop this here

[tough parcel]

Just gonna drop this here too

[chilly knot]

[light osprey]

Is Dan Folkes’ missing cartilage or is he just a short king?

[stiff osprey]

Missing cartilage

[light osprey]

Sheesh sue has some big molariform teeth

[clever sable]

Nah you gotta add cope fr fr

[tough parcel]

Bro is literally the same size

[clever sable]

Nah, Scotty is 10.4 tonnes, cope is 10.8 according to randomdinos and probably like .5 meters longer idk though lol

[tough parcel]

😭 .5m is like nothing on an animal the size of rex and even then, that’s based off femur allometry which isn’t an exact science

[bright veldt]

10.4 and 10.8 is very negligable yeah. A single good meal is making Scotty as big as Cope

[clever sable]

Well it's better than a 12.4 tonne 13.3 meter animal (which technically may be possible but I doubt it) so I'm just going with 10.8 tonnes because it's femur is super wide, maybe even up to 11 tonnes if you literally just scale up a 10.4 tonne Scotty by 7%

[light osprey]

One could say, you have to cope with Falcon not adding Cope

[chilly knot]

Yall cope fans can cope harder

[stiff osprey]

bro you're literally a dentary giga fan

Kidding, dentary giga is a cooler specimen because it has lore

[chilly knot]

nuh uh

[clever sable]

What's worse, dentary giga or 12.4 tonne 13 meter cope

[tough parcel]

Random came out swinging and then took it back, I can’t believe this

[stiff osprey]

swung and then unswung

[clever sable]

Dentary giga needs a name smh

[stiff osprey]

Cope. Dentary giga is isometrically scaled, 13 meter cope is just a bruh moment

[light osprey]

It has one, MUCPv-95

[chilly knot]

Another beautiful day not caring about single bone specimens

[clever sable]

Even after watching that video I still don't get how they got a 13 meter cope, largest it should be is around 11 tonnes

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938

[astral kelp]

[wary panther]

why does my chat keep going away

Anyways, you guys see that new cope specimen?

Its an absolute beauty

[bright veldt]

a single femur

[wary panther]

While only being 10% complete, we do have much to go off, much more than the toe bone specimen that maybe have been something else

[wary panther]

While its a single femur, that same logic can be applied to the dentary

[bright veldt]

I feel the same way about the dentary

[wary panther]

I feel a bit more for the 10% complete specimen compared to the jaw fragment, makes somewhat sense

While we can possibly say its larger then scotty using femur size alone, not much material came from it 😦

I knew it wouldn't be enough, any Rex specimen needs to be at least 50%+ complete for anyone to acutally take seriously

[sage cave]

Every now and then I come in here and ask people “show me ur fav skeletals!” For arts refs and it’s that time of the year again

[wary panther]

My new favorite skeletal is a femur, largest rex femur though

[clever sable]

Well there is other stuff, it's just not measured

[wary panther]

Either Cope or Bertha are going to be the largest now, Scotty definitely got de-throned

And rex gets the title of being the largest theropod known, again

[jagged trellis]

i mean doesn't rex have ALOT more fossil records compared to most other dinos, which id imagine is the reason why

[wary panther]

Some fossils aren't large enough for people to care, or complete

[tough parcel]

How do you know either of those are bigger than Scotty? We have a single femur measurement for Cope and nothing for Bertha outside of a tweet, idk how you can make such claims

[wary panther]

The sheet on the femur size gives a pretty good idea

[clever sable]

The fact that there may be 4 rex specimens that may reach 10+ tonnes indicates such sizes aren't as rare as we thought

[tough parcel]

I mean, it gives you a pretty good idea for the femur and a very generalized idea for the weight of the owner, but you can’t get anything concrete

[stiff osprey]

having seen pictures of Bertha's toes in mounting (😳), nothing about it indicates being on the larger size of Tyrannosaurus specimens, let alone bigger than Scotty. Cope's slightly better off, and indeed about as reliable as dentary Giga

[tough parcel]

Oh cool, thanks random

[wary panther]

Could just be the picture

[stiff osprey]

for sure, I would not use toe scaling to estimate anything anyway lol

[jagged trellis]

i mean thats a maybe vs a yes 100%, tho i wouldn't be surprised if it was more common in large theropods like rex seeing how often the info changes

[wary panther]

Sue looks more robust than Scotty in most images you find, turns out, when looking at a gdi of both of them you can see the difference

[tough parcel]

Well to be fair, Scotty’s mount is actually pretty thin (dorsal) for some reason which would explain how it looks “thinner”

[wary panther]

So of course there is indeed a possibility of a smaller than Scotty Rex, I have to admit we don't have much to go off, or, this really could be a big specimen

[jagged trellis]

wasn't there a few estimates for a 10 ton trike( as in triceratops) right?, just wanting to check since i haven't seen or heard much about it

[wary panther]

Yes there was

[stiff osprey]

''Triceratops albertensis'' is definitely over 9 tonnes, estimates will vary because no one can agree on Triceratops' proportions these days

[wary panther]

it gets mixed between 10-12

Anyways, guess we will wait and see if we have new record breakers

I doubt that people will keep believing we haven't found a larger specimen than Scotty

[jagged trellis]

oh well thats a new name to me, so i'm assuming its a more recently found out one(|| or the off chance is a funny haha knowing how dense i can be||)

[wary panther]

Wait

If Tyrannosaurus does actually get the 11-12 ton estimate, would that make it the largest theropod again considering that the only "tie" it had was the dentary?

[light osprey]

It always has been the heaviest estimated theropod.

[stiff osprey]

It's very old, but for whatever reason everyone forgot about it

Probably for the best considering the state of preservation of the skull. It's pretty garbage

[storm heron]

The mass estimates between Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus makes me think they both can get as large as each other, unless you straight up only use "Scotty" or "Sue".

[stiff osprey]

largest specimen of a taxon try not to be garbage challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[storm heron]

Though we need more specimens from the former.

[jagged trellis]

oh that explains it then, noted

[light osprey]

Perhaps. This could intuitively be applied to a few other Theropods as well.

[storm heron]

Yep

[light osprey]

And it inherently subjects itself to uncertainty

I suppose you can pull an Occam’s Razor through it.

[dusky galleon]

We all know T. Rex was big but could a Robert Wadlow T. Rex exist? One so big that it made ones the size of Scotty or Se look small?

*Sue

[crimson breach]

Are we allowed to send links to YouTube here? I only ask because I came across a vid today which pretty much stated that the Rex was a better swimmer than spino but also may have herded prey toward water to take down more easily

[sullen saffron]

How to fix lag in path of titans?

[peak jetty]

People out here actually taking a Vivden clickbait video seriously smh

my kingdom to live in the timeline that doesnt have to deal with "weird T.Rex fanfic" papers

[pearl briar]

do you guys prefer spike-backed theropod (left) or smooth-backed theropod (right)?

[tranquil quartz]

Smooth backed

[heady thunder]

Both

[blissful bison]

spike-backed theropod

[wispy summit]

Smooth

[bright veldt]

Smooth

[light oxide]

Smooth Carcharodontosaurus.

[viscid surge]

Smooth tbh

[frail robin]

Smooth, except if it has iguana-like spikes

[light osprey]

Feathered backs

[frozen basin]

Smooth

[novel atlas]

Wait, Concavenator had feathers, no?

[heady thunder]

Why would it?

[light osprey]

Some weird structures on its ulna were suggested to be quill knobs

[novel atlas]

Yeah, it had feathers

Wonder if its relatives had feathers or quills or something like that too.

[light osprey]

Scipionyx did 🤷‍♂️

[novel atlas]

Oh right! I forgot!

[light osprey]

Scales be damned, protofeathers are everywhere . At least when you’re a little guy

[novel atlas]

And maybe the big guys.

At least, according to Deinocheirus and Therizinosaurus.

[light osprey]

I think those two would be inferred, Beipiaosaurus does though I think, and that would be a young specimen, so certainly a larger fella in life.

[novel atlas]

Mhm

[clever sable]

Smooth

[tranquil quartz]

Iirc it didn’t have feathers but it had quills, almost like the defense conc we see in game,

[novel atlas]

Quills are a type of feathering.

[jagged trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[static lantern]

Hold on so what’s the deal with E.D Rex? Is it bigger than Scotty?

[tranquil quartz]

Yes but an animal can possess quills but not feathers, as in the case with Concavenator

[novel atlas]

No, no, I mean quills are literally feathers, they are classified as a type of feathering

[tough parcel]

We don't actually know if Concavenator had quills or feathers as quill knobs mean pennaceous feathers in modern birds, but due to their strange morphology, no-one is 100% sure

[tranquil quartz]

Thought the most accepted theory was that it did. Like on the arms

[tough parcel]

There is no most accepted theory 😎

[tranquil quartz]

😀

[light osprey]

Unsolvable mystery reconstruct them as either simple quills, or as the quill shaft of a fully formed feather

[woeful falcon]

Quills also don't necessarily equate to feather either. Psittaco's quills might not be feathers, mammal quills certainly aren't feathers. Filamentary structures to be as broad as possible.

More recently the only thing I've heard more definitively classified as feathers is pterosaur pycnofibers, which is a big can of worms opened

[light osprey]

Been opened for a while I think 🤔

[lavish frigate]

I like both equally as long as the rest of the design is good

[woeful falcon]

not for I wouldn't say, only in the past couple years

[light osprey]

There wasn’t much to be discussed, the implications were a one and done deal

[stiff osprey]

In Concavenator's case quills do mean feathers, as it's specifically wing feathers that leave quill knobs on the bone. But the issue is the identity of the quill knobs is disputed

[woeful falcon]

So, how deep would that implication go then assuming that is the case? Would that imply Carchardontosaurids independently evolved wings?

[stiff osprey]

Yeah, since Allosaurus has scales preserved around the armpit area, it would have to be a pretty novel development

Both interpretations are pretty novel, tbh. The marks don't exactly match those made by quill knobs but they don't match anything else either

[light osprey]

For now I think Cuesta had settled the discussion a bit, or has the most recent published paper on it.

[undone parcel]

has anyone seen the fact the professionals discovered the andrewsarchus mod... more specifically the Hippo morph

[bright veldt]

Yeah, and they’re way too hard on it imo. Like I get the issues but more than the hippo morph exist.

Tyler Greenfield also blocking one of my friends for purely pointing out it’s a fragmentary taxa in a video game is pretty unprofessional

[heady thunder]

Where?

[undone parcel]

twitter

[light oxide]

._.

[tough parcel]

Imo, it's a perfectly fine event to happen. People are taking the Andrewsarchus mod as fact, every single morph (especially the chubby one)

[heady thunder]

Its a bit too piggy, but its a neat mod, a lot of personality.

[undone parcel]

its funnier cause you know they dont play the game so think its official, but its literally a skull so sorry that mod makers had fun with one of the morphs being more hippo ish

[tough parcel]

"A lot of personality" doesn't make up for the misinformation imo 🤷‍♂️ but that's my hot take of the day

[bright veldt]

I do admit it kinda shows why accuracy is important

“Oh it’s a video game it doesn’t matter” exhibit A

[heady thunder]

Ime I feel like outside people who dont play the game treat eveything as official.

[undone parcel]

besides it used to be a whippomorph so the hippo morph could be like a fun nod to it

[heady thunder]

How is it misinformation? Its not like the mod reads "100% PALEOACCURATE ANDREW, 1000% REAL"

[light osprey]

W take

[tough parcel]

Doesn't matter because people don't read that it's a mod, the reason the professionals took note of the mod is because people are going "Omg, Andrewsarchus looks like this now?? Crazy!"

[heady thunder]

Thats a masses being stupid issue and not a misinformation problem.

[undone parcel]

granted playing POT reeally shows who knows anything or not

[stiff osprey]

The fact that the hippo morph exists suggests that the base model of Andrew in that mod isn't very good either. You can't make morphs that are completely different in terms of proportions and anatomy from the base

well, you can, but they will animate pretty terribly

[undone parcel]

my opinion as someone who hasnt really touched it is that immense speculation was used since we have the top jaw

[bright veldt]

I heard that they plan to release an accurate Andrew mod but I can’t confirm that atm. I’m asking. I heard that but wanna clarify.

[undone parcel]

in my opinion the entelodont morphs probably accuracte..cause isnt current consensus that its at least outside Entelodonts

[bright veldt]

Yeah, but Tbf in a study very recently they looked at andrew’s taxonomy properly for the first time, and it was just outside of entelodontids. So it probably looked like um too.

[light oxide]

. . . Why are the professionals getting hurt over someone's interpretation of Andrewsarchus when we only have the upper skull?

[bright veldt]

I can understand the concern cause of how it was received but blocking people for not understanding y it’s a big deal’s uncalled for

[light oxide]

I mean, it's an interpretation, not factual.

[woeful falcon]

I imagine that's why there's concern. "Hey that's my work you're meddling with"

[stiff osprey]

You'd hope someone making an animal based on a skull would at least follow the skull of said animal

[undone parcel]

i think the issue is they dont know its a Mod and not official

[woeful falcon]

That aspect isn't the most favorable look for PoT anyway

[light oxide]

That is true. And I can understand the concern too.

. . . That aside, why hasn't anyone tell them that it's a mod for a game?

[undone parcel]

people are its the question of caring

[bright veldt]

It’s also the fact that people are quick to take seriously things about a taxa they don’t understand

[undone parcel]

it doesn't help that Andrew is already impossible to understand anatomically

[woeful falcon]

Evidently that's not exactly the case if it's getting torn to shreds

[undone parcel]

i think the issue is the body being based off close relatives when we could get a curve ball and andrew isnt like any of them

[bright veldt]

After some rebuttal in the mod channel I got the Andrew attack-speed sub model without the hair in the way https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538828511717097472/1147988301085687838/20230903_141512.png

[woeful falcon]

and any of the detail of the model for that matter

[ancient crystal]

I like how people went from shrinkwrapping everything to wanting eveything to be obese.

I think it was on here that someone was complaining about PT rex because it wasn't fat enough

[undone parcel]

when its like..conservative

[nova socket]

Gravity

[tough parcel]

That's not what I mean, but I see

https://twitter.com/TylerGreenfieId/status/1698401477168140421?s=20

Tyler Greenfield (@TylerGreenfieId)

Because people are continuing to mindlessly comment "it's just a video game!", I'll show you that others are asking if it's accurate or if there is news that they missed. Not to shame the latter people of course, they're asking reasonable questions.

Twitter · Sep 3, 2023, 6:24 PM

[heady thunder]

They really made Everest out of an ant hill.

[light osprey]

These foolhardy gents clearly didn’t see the stocky variant

[light oxide]

sigh

"Mindlessly comment"

[tranquil quartz]

Just a twitter moment

sorry X-🤓

[light oxide]

Yeah . . . Twitter/X, is just a very weird place.

[light osprey]

Twitter/X lol

[bright veldt]

Happily have a source right here to dissect if any of the people that criticize the Andrewsarchus wanna confirm what they’re saying. It looks fine to me.

[tranquil quartz]

Generally baffling how people are annoyed by this

I mean it may contribute to misinformation a tiny bit, but its not like theres much to go off on Andrew anyway

[light osprey]

I think whoever said it’s just people being dumb might be right

[undone parcel]

uhh any new...decently big theropod news

[light oxide]

Not that I'm aware of.

[light osprey]

Maybe not new, I just recently heard there was a swath of debate on the exact details of I. challengeri’s cranial kinesis implications. Wish that whole topic could be elaborated on by someone knowledgeable

[undone parcel]

the paper is debated?

or is Pelican irritator still a thing

[light osprey]

The “Pelican” part itself

[undone parcel]

ahh

[light osprey]

Some suggesting there was still the distinct and equally likely possibility it was more analogous to the snake-ish depictions or “hypo-spino”

[undone parcel]

people just want hypo spino mouth to be real..

and as much as hypo is cool..no

[light osprey]

That was my initial thoughts, just reviewing the information

[bright veldt]

Yeah no the hypo spino things just straight up made up

[undone parcel]

pretty sure the hypo mouth is meant to be gentically modified anyways..from what i remembr about TIs confusing and limited lore

[light osprey]

I think I read somewhere this depiction in particular got the support of someone knowledgeable on the topic

[bright veldt]

That’s more accurate yes

[undone parcel]

was..the official reason TI renamed the utah to something else to avoid paleo bs and just say genetic tampering or something..like how PC did with Nova

[sullen cairn]

Iirc some people misinterpreted the study as a hypo-type jaws and that gained some traction for a day or two before it was pointed out it was more like a snake like above

[bright veldt]

Yeah they couldn’t ignore the cries that it obviously wasn’t Utah anymore

[undone parcel]

yea cause i think it..was just a big deinonychus or something right..?

[light osprey]

So it is more like a snake?

[sullen cairn]

Like this

[late atlas]

What is this chat for?

[bright veldt]

It’s less that and more that they’re pretending they weren’t ripping off Jurassic Park lol

It’s totally Utahraptor guys lmao

[undone parcel]

is..TIs utah head up to date or literally just a JP head..

[sullen cairn]

The latter

[light osprey]

Thank the stars. This is how I was representing it, but my confidence waned a teensy bit

[undone parcel]

i need Sauropelta in more media..best Nodosaur

[light osprey]

And finally hopefully there’s a goofy answer for this, I remember there being a tweet from someone elaborating on which Spinosaurids they think the condition appeared in?

[late atlas]

This looks cool

[covert lintel]

palaeontology

[cloud dagger]

is this a bit too fat for macrauchenia

[late atlas]

I know nothing about that

[covert lintel]

this is a good lad, btw. i like this lad.

[bright veldt]

Looks fine to me

[undone parcel]

best dinosaur name goes to Animantarx

actually i think most Ankylosaurians have among the best names..

[cloud dagger]

aight, nice

[rain sun]

Acro foot steeps.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/09/low-water-levels-in-texas-reveal-dinosaur-tracks-dating-back-110-million-years.html?fbclid=IwAR22uaQujJ-uUPCoray7LFgQkRSCu0hwO9lx2x15AYH_sx2g_LicobVQSds

[undone parcel]

confirmed acro or....eh 110 is the very end of Acros existence..

[clever sable]

Wasn't there possibly Korean acro's?

[undone parcel]

i think its based off teeth

i only recall that stupid koreaceratops documentary using acro exactly

[sullen cairn]

there's some teeth referred to acro

[light osprey]

Sounds right to me

[undone parcel]

said Paluxy so safe to assume Acro

[sullen cairn]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341868562_A_Carcharodontosaurid_tooth_from_the_Hasandong_Formation_Lower_Cretaceous_of_South_Korea

[light osprey]

Sounds sus

[undone parcel]

what are the chances of a acro sister taxa

[sullen cairn]

it is yun so true but even then it's cf. acrocanthosaurus sp. so it isn't intended to be acrocanthosaurus just a similar taxon

[bright veldt]

Hilariously enough it might not be entirely stupid given acro is the only known American carchar and it had to get there somehow. Don’t read too deep into this tho.

[sullen cairn]

and yun didn't even describe the cf. acrocanthosaurus teeth

[undone parcel]

NA is full of asian exclusives like Deinocherids and therizinosaurs...though i think falcarius implies a american origin too

[sullen cairn]

the paper just posits that the cf. acro teeth, wakinosaurus, and prodeinodon kwangshiensis teeth as well as some other large carch teeth from east asia belonged to various taxa ancestral or related to taxa ancestral to acrocanthosaurus that emigrated to North America

[bright veldt]

Paraxeni is also questionable

[sullen cairn]

that's being generous paxaneri's utter crap it's a bad example

[undone parcel]

isnt..rex debated as a asian immigrant

[dull shuttle]

That atrociraptor looking kinda off

[bright veldt]

Rex was yes

[undone parcel]

yea cause Zhucheng and tarbo are asian...

[sullen cairn]

ye it's pretty much just circumstantial evidence but it makes sense

[undone parcel]

...just like today america had no original ideas, are there any NA originals..

[sullen cairn]

me when faunal exchanges occur

[clever sable]

Just like acro fr

[bright veldt]

Horses were exclusive to NA until the ice age

[undone parcel]

...im ashamed cause i learned horse evolution cause my moms a horse person

[bright veldt]

Dogs also come from North America

[clever sable]

So do nukes

[bright veldt]

Can you bloody not?

[undone parcel]

wait are we talking domestication or canids as a family

[clever sable]

Canids originated in America, and the first domesticated dog was from Asia iirc (although I could be thinking of the first dog breeds created by selective breeding)

[sullen cairn]

there's a theory that the disapperance of horses in NA at the end of the ice age had something to do with the apperance of bison on the continent

[bright veldt]

Nah. They coexisted for a healthy amount of time.

[clever sable]

Hey don't American flag react me, that wasn't supposed to be a positive thing, I'm opposed to nuclear weapons

[bright veldt]

Ceratopsids are an American original

[clever sable]

Huh, I actually wasn't aware of that

[bright veldt]

There’s only a single Asian species

[clever sable]

Are there any north American spinosaururs?

[tough parcel]

Yesn't, if we assume the paper was right in their identification

[bright veldt]

North America was largely isolated for most of spinosaur evolution so probably not.

They first evolved in Europe then moved south in two different directions

[sullen cairn]

it's not that horses and bison couldn't coexist but more that bison coming to dominate the large herbivore niche may have effected how NA fauna including horses were effected by the ice age ending

since bison only even entered NA in the last 200k years

[undone parcel]

oh yea aquilops

[bright veldt]

I mean yeah but horses were also some of the last living megafauna that went extinct alongside mammoths

[sage cave]

Anyone have some real nice skulls? Preferably blocky ones, using them fro a dragon ref

[sullen cairn]

still's possible
i don't know the nitty gritty of it I just heard it from eric scott

i think he published a paper on it or something

[bright veldt]

Sinoceratops. Note I said ceratopsids and not ceratopsians.

[undone parcel]

am i the only one a tad miffed that every kaiju related name isnt from japan..kaijutitans SA,Gojirasaurus from new mexico

[bright veldt]

Gojirasaurus ain’t a thing

[undone parcel]

i will fight

[sullen cairn]

it's an undiagnostic coelophysoid
and also a chimera

[undone parcel]

still gonna call it gojirasaurus

[sullen cairn]

i too love coelophysoidea indet

[undone parcel]

syntarsus is valid

[bright veldt]

Yes and no

[undone parcel]

wasnt it found out it could be renamed syntarsus again..

[bright veldt]

Basically, you got three species thatre within some wierd coelophysis, mepagnosaurus, and the Kayenta one dituation

[sullen cairn]

kayentawhatever still goes by syntarsus

[undone parcel]

kayentakatae or something...i just know its fun to say

[sullen cairn]

i think kayentakate is effectively nameless technically because normally it'd just follow where megapnosaurus is in but since it's distinct it's stuck with syntarsus

[bright veldt]

Coelophysis bauri is valid but the other 2 need to be properly distinguished and put in separate genera that aren’t screwed up

[undone parcel]

at least the Dilo trio is easy..Dilo has big crests, sino has smaller crests and draco may or may not have them

[bright veldt]

Sinosaurus is hella broken

[sullen cairn]

sino's kinda odd though with it's species

[undone parcel]

wait did they name a sino species with that skull?

[tough parcel]

Risking my life by using Discord rn, but what? I thought Syntarsus was renamed because a bug already had that name, hence “Big dead lizard”

[bright veldt]

It contains 3 very different animals in it. A dilo-like animal, a monolophosaurus-tetaneuran-like animal, and a coelophysid of some kind

[sullen cairn]

as per that skull paper this year i think s. triassicus s. sinensis and shuangbaisaurus are all valid

[undone parcel]

shuangbai is still its own species?

[dull shuttle]

that hypsilophodon looking kinda off guys

[sullen cairn]

and then there's the "sinosaurus" vertebra that was actually a prosauropod and sinosaurus shwanesis by proxy also being a prosauropod

[undone parcel]

that..isnt Turano

[bright veldt]

They’re like that cause GSP in his infinite wisdom lumped them all and nobody’s been willing to touch it since

[wary heath]

what was the heaviest ground sloth?

[tough parcel]

Table really just ignoring my valid question while my life is on the line

[sullen cairn]

you're correct so the type species rhodiensis was renamed megapnosaurus. problem being kayentakaetewhatsit doesn't clade with rhodiensis so it can't be megapnosaurus

[undone parcel]

i think..the bugs name changed..

[sullen cairn]

you can't name after preexisting nomen dubium anyways

[bright veldt]

Eremotherium

[white matrix]

what🤞😭

[undone parcel]

yea syntarsus is now a junior synonym for the beetle

[sullen cairn]

Syntarsus was described with the species s. rhodesiensis. Later another species would be described from arizona, s. kayentakatae. Then some entomologist realized a beetle was already named syntarsus, so he took it upon himself to give it the dumbass name "Megapnosaurus" (big dead lizard) despite the fact you're supposed to let the person who initially named the taxon rename it. So s. rhodesiensis and s. kayentakate became megapnosaurus rhodesiensis and m. kayentakate.

However, megapnosaurus has been suggested to be a junior synonym of coelophysis, in which case the two would be species of coelophysis. More recently, kayentakate was found to be distinct from both coelophysis and megapnosaurus, so it's stuck being called syntarsus kayentakate (the original name) for the time being in the abscence of an actual generic name

[white matrix]

I would find it indubitably splendorous if you could elaborate on the logical connectivity of how the subject you are referring to can deductively qualify as dimensionality within the inner contextualizations of deontology whilst the high standard phenology possesses an objectively phonological characterization, and its psychoanalytic criticism is due upon the modal notions in both the fundamental truth-determining structures of epistemic coherentism and deontic coherentism (which I shall address as "Dx Logic" hereafter) which renders your intuitively deliberative claim in R{U/}K when Z>R inherently maintains its B, possessing an undeniably syllogistic value and its vectors lying embedded in the eigenvectors of posterior priori matrix whilst the proposition is H{S}>[D(S)] rationalism in its Dudley's Theorem codification of Z = Ø in z I) R>P>(O) coherentism betwixt its noethers principle psychoanalysis of its axiomatically founded tergiversate colloquialism of G ==> ∞ and z >= r, z >= d, and z =< j(s⅔) in K2(D/O)^π/n Demoivres' Theorem in conjunction with the subspace socio-psychological criteria of your materialistically constructed altercations against the mysticism derived from normative ethics in J < D and Ø = {} of A = {z > D, d < 10 and d > 7} of ΔA>ΔD analytically observed of the dimensionality in the 2-iD 2-(i+1)D √2 logN(u, T)du in log^3 logarith via the parabolic matrix of linear equations and the heart of string theoretical dimensions in Hamilton's quantuo-logica state of mass squared M^3 and M(D>S) F theorem in the vacuums of Socrates' elaborative sperm-sourced mathematical rhetoric of nucleosynthesis of cerebral contingency via formulation of dogmatic and ethical skepticism in octanionic matrix of economical circulation regarding the equilibrium in deontological speculative hypothesis upon falsifalibility via [D(S/4x) linear geometrical philosophically deductive transcendence of dialetical maternalism and methodology

[sullen cairn]

yesn't

[undone parcel]

best dinosaur sound design in media..

just want to hear opinions

[sullen cairn]

jwe carch

[undone parcel]

WDRA dilo

[sullen cairn]

also on shuangbai
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zechuan-Zhang-2/publication/369481483_A_New_Specimen_of_Sinosaurus_triassicus_Dinosauria_Theropoda_from_the_Early_Jurassic_of_Lufeng_Yunnan_China_View_supplementary_material_A_New_Specimen_of_Sinosaurus_triassicus_Dinosauria_Theropoda_fro/links/641d9c5da1b72772e422cd04/A-New-Specimen-of-Sinosaurus-triassicus-Dinosauria-Theropoda-from-the-Early-Jurassic-of-Lufeng-Yunnan-China-View-supplementary-material-A-New-Specimen-of-Sinosaurus-triassicus-Dinosauria-Theropoda-f.pdf?_sg[0]=started_experiment_milestone&origin=journalDetail&_rtd=e30%3D

oh there's also syntarsus mexicanum which lacks both a diagnosis and a type specimen

[undone parcel]

how concret is the alleged 30 foot or so Sillosuchus

[sullen cairn]

the what

larramendi has a 3m silesaurid but i don't know anything beyond that

[undone parcel]

credit Gabriel N U

its one of the beaked Shuvosaurids

[sullen cairn]

reading into it looks like a saurosuchus vertebra might be sillosuchus

[undone parcel]

yea conflicting info cause some say it was misidentified as saurosuchus

[sullen cairn]

is there anything else in literature about it cause this is all i could find

[undone parcel]

im just checking wikipedia..

[sullen cairn]

wikipedia cites those two
everything seems pretty consistent then

[undone parcel]

6 paper references

[sullen cairn]

three of em predate the saurosuchus vert being reassigned and the other one is in reference to a skeletal reconstruction being unveiled

[stiff osprey]

I find giant Sillosuchus pretty sus

it's a single incomplete centrum, is there really no other animal it could belong to besides a 30x larger version of a shuvosaurid?

[undone parcel]

what else could it be..

[sullen cairn]

huh justin made a skeletal neat

[stiff osprey]

that thing is like 4 tons

[undone parcel]

3 if your generous

[stiff osprey]

there must be some kind of neck allometry going on, surely a 10 m animal does not have the same proportions of a 4 m one

[stiff osprey]

Plateosaurus is smaller than this in length and height and weighs 4 t

[undone parcel]

all i know is even by pseudosuchian standards, Shuvosaurs were weirdos

[sullen cairn]

"giant shuvosaurids lived with saurosuchus"
larramendi pseudosuchia book when

[stiff osprey]

i would buy the heck out of that

[undone parcel]

i dont care if like half of it is BS i just want to see the art

i have..the other 2 right here beside my bed

would it be safe to assume the giant Aardonyx is more likely..i know it more then likley wouldnt be Aardonyx thats just what i remember being the commonly used comparison

[sullen cairn]

why is david peters the only person who makes poposauroid skeletals

[tranquil quartz]

David Peters moment

[undone parcel]

if he has no competition he must be right..

[sullen cairn]

can't be aardonyx anyways since aardonyx is upper elliot

[undone parcel]

i just know its always using Aardonyx as a base for like depictions

[sullen cairn]

it was compared favorably to aardonyx in the abstract iirc

it had 1.9(?)x the linear dimensions of aardonyx or something like that

[undone parcel]

aardonyx is best South African sauropodomorph..

[sullen cairn]

there's like a half dozen of em

[undone parcel]

South africa was wild from like the Permian to the mid Jurassic

[sullen cairn]

rip 12t ledumahadi

[tranquil quartz]

I don’t think South Africa has ever stopped being wild

[sullen cairn]

man got his mass slashed to like a third of the initial estimate

[undone parcel]

when was that..

couldnt have been long after naming..

[sullen cairn]

larramendi's book

[undone parcel]

oh yea cause it was..2018?

[sullen cairn]

idk it was all in the past five years at least

[light osprey]

Maastrichtian South Africa 😎 (doesn’t exist)

[sullen cairn]

maastrichtian not morocco

[undone parcel]

what is the biggest sauropodomorph...Yunnano?

[tranquil quartz]

I mean it probably did

(all the wacky stuff that was probably there hasn’t fossilised 😀😀😀 😔)

[light osprey]

Don’t forget about that single Pteranodontid and Elasmosaur found in Angola🗣️

[sullen cairn]

and the teeth and stuff from egypt

[undone parcel]

pteranodontidae..gross

[light osprey]

Oh actually hold on it’s not a Pteranodontid

[tranquil quartz]

Pterandontids gotta be some of the worse pterosaurs

[light osprey]

Dear oh my, what the hell is this clade, Aponyctosauria?

[undone parcel]

ghost lineage and terrible phylogeny..

[light osprey]

Pteranodontidae at large or?

[sullen cairn]

anyways largest prosauropod looks to be some stuff referred to yunnano

[tranquil quartz]

Does Maastrichtian Antartica exist

[sullen cairn]

but actual largest will probably highland biped when it gets described

[undone parcel]

imperobator

[light osprey]

Yes actually

Wellll, just the Vega Islands, but beggars can’t be choosers can they

[undone parcel]

imperobator is maastrichtian

[light osprey]

There’s a whole lot more from there, but yeah

[undone parcel]

its the first one off the top of my head

[tranquil quartz]

Wait Imperobator is from Antartica?
Why was I thinking it was from Greenland or something 💀

[undone parcel]

they had antarctica in PHP 2

[light osprey]

Elasmarian representation, first time ever it feels like

[undone parcel]

uhh no dryo was in WDRA

[tranquil quartz]

So its the second non avian theropod found there after Cryo?

[undone parcel]

is dryosaurus a elasmarian..or more basal..

[sullen cairn]

elasmaria's cretaceous

[light osprey]

Basal I guess

[undone parcel]

oh ok Dryos family is within Iguanodontia

[sullen cairn]

there's leaellynasaura if you want elasmarian rep

[light osprey]

When did that fella appear?

[undone parcel]

..early creteacous?

[sullen cairn]

albian yeah

[undone parcel]

118-110 mya

[light osprey]

No in media 😭

[sullen cairn]

your next step is to figure anything about the internal relations of elasmaria

[undone parcel]

oh WWD

spirits of the ice forest where one gets eaten by Koolasuchus

[sullen cairn]

and technically a megaraptoran

[undone parcel]

totally not Australovenator

[sullen cairn]

allosaurus robustus

[light osprey]

Within Ornithopoda itself?

[sullen cairn]

within elasmaria

[undone parcel]

did anyone see..PKs Muttaburra reveal

[sullen cairn]

yup

[undone parcel]

i thought it looked nice

[light osprey]

It always looks nice

[undone parcel]

it actually looks like a Rhabhadontomorph

[light osprey]

I’m hotly anticipating their marine animals. Maybe the first good Mosasaurus depiction? (Unless PT beats them to it)

[undone parcel]

yea i dont think PK will have marine for a while

although update 9 gives us Mutta and 2 more animals

[light osprey]

2 more? Who else is coming

[undone parcel]

not revealed yet

[light osprey]

Any theories as to what it is?

[undone parcel]

not that ive seen..beside still waiting for update 8 and roadrunner Velo

[light osprey]

But that’s separate of the other two right?

[tranquil quartz]

To be expected from PK
All of their stuff is awesome

[undone parcel]

yes velo is coming update 8 and update 9 is 3 including mutta

[light osprey]

Does PK plan to do any Spinosaurs we know of? Or is their future roster a mystery

[undone parcel]

i think spino is one of their first ones planned..bary i think is still on the EA roster

there is..spino concept art.. but im not sure if its still valid

[tranquil quartz]

Really wanna see something like Austroraptor or Altispinax from PK

[undone parcel]

altispinax is the wild card since we have like 3 bones

[light osprey]

Concavenator instead 🗣️

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah but Altispinax has the cooler name so we let it slide

[undone parcel]

wouldnt be surprised conc gets in for spanish rep

[stiff osprey]

Altispinax as an alt skin of Concavenator would be nice

it certainly differs less from conc than tarbo from rex

[undone parcel]

alti is great value conc

[sullen cairn]

it's also astronomically less complete than rex and tarbo so there's not really much room for distinguishing traits

[tranquil quartz]

Isnt Alti a bit bigger than Conc? Or the other way round?

[light osprey]

I hope as per my usual stance they have some good lips on those Spinosaurids, but considering they even went with partial covering for Tyrannosaurus, my hope is strained

[storm heron]

I mean, how can Tyrannosaurus differ from Tyrannosaurus

[stiff osprey]

I forgor

[undone parcel]

size doesnt matter in PK cuase they managed to make species different sizes, best example is the Camara

[sullen cairn]

I think alti's smaller?

[light osprey]

I’d wager three dorsal vertebrae are in fact not larger than an entire skeleton

[sullen cairn]

yeah 5.53m vs conc's 5.8m

[undone parcel]

let alone a sample size big enough for max sizes

[sullen cairn]

ignore the weight

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah so that could actually work for a skin for Conc if PK ever comes around to making Conc

[light osprey]

Would it be necessary though?

[undone parcel]

concs a unique enough animal it has a shot

[storm heron]

I have to ask though, how possible is it for Tarbosaurus to be a species of Tyrannosaurus?

[tranquil quartz]

Yes
Alti supremacy!

[light osprey]

I think that’s the prevailing theory, new skull or something?

[undone parcel]

bro always used Spinax on FF

[sullen cairn]

plus you could c. altispinax or c. dunkeri or c. becklespinax because of much of a mess alti's name was

[tranquil quartz]

Didn’t becklepspinax get absolutely obliterated

[undone parcel]

pretty sure tarbos distinct enough from rex

[sullen cairn]

yeah

[light osprey]

Even this mysterious skull which I allude too

[stiff osprey]

You can't lump Tarbo into Tyrannosaurus without also lumping Zhuchengtyrannus. But Zhucheng is early Campanian which is insane

[storm heron]

Really? why is that?

[sullen cairn]

huh i thought it was tail end of campanian but I've never read into it

[tranquil quartz]

Isn’t there also another undescribed tyrannosaurid at Zhucheng. Dont know if this question is relevant

[sullen cairn]

yeah

[light osprey]

This is how I understood their morphological differences, but apparently there’s a specimen with more synamorphies with T. rex?

[undone parcel]

my biggest pet peeve are people who call Zhucheng Z-rex cause they cant be bothered to learn to spell

[sullen cairn]

it's also a dentary and maxilla iirc

[tranquil quartz]

Is it around the same size as Tarbo and Zhucheng?

[stiff osprey]

Zhucheng being Early Campanian means you had genus Tyrannosaurus before the appearance of albertosaurines

[sullen cairn]

zhu's pretty much tarbo sized if you assume suecheng is zhucheng

[undone parcel]

whats the possibility of a 4th tyrannosaurine

[tranquil quartz]

Zhucheng didn’t continue into the Maast?

[sullen cairn]

there's tons of unnamed/undescribed tyrannosaurid taxa in asia

[storm heron]

I understand that but why is Zhuchentyrannus involved if Tarbosaurus is lumped in Tyrannosaurus? is it because it is more closely related to those two?

[undone parcel]

Zhucheng and tarbo are tyrannosaurini with rex

[sullen cairn]

so did hongtuya get redated?

[stiff osprey]

Yes, half of all phylogenies have Zhucheng as sister to T.rex, the other half have it sister to Tarbosaurus or basal to tarb + rex clade

[light osprey]

Here I found it

[storm heron]

Ah, thank you for the clarification

[sullen cairn]

looking at zhu's description it's locale isn't any earlier than 73.5 ma but saying it's early campanian seems like a stretch

unless something new came out there's over 10 ma of the campanian before then

[undone parcel]

Zhucheng has like..the coolest ecosystem..

[sullen cairn]

giant hadrosaur and giant centrosaurine

[tranquil quartz]

Wait were Tarbo and Zhucheng around at the same time?

[light osprey]

Nuh huh, Lopez de Bertodano is cooler

[undone parcel]

uhh i think tarbo was actually recently redated to around 66..cause nemegt was put to 66 a while ago..

[sullen cairn]

that's the minimum age contraint

[tranquil quartz]

Awe so no more 3 giant tyrannosaurids running around Asia at the same time

[light osprey]

3?

[sullen cairn]

initial deposition would've been earlier

[tranquil quartz]

The undescribed one at Zhucheng alone with Zhu and Tarb

[light osprey]

I doubt Zhuchengtyrannus was ever contemporary with Tarbosaurus

[sullen cairn]

for tarbo and zhucheng to be contemporary nemegt would have to had to last the entirety of the maastrichtian and a million years into the campanian unless it got redated which i don't know and it would be lovely if someone told me

[tranquil quartz]

Wait yeah just realised Zhu was knocking about in Asia at the same time as Daspleto

[light osprey]

Maybe a little bit later than it

[stiff osprey]

something did, but I don't feel like searching KOI for the redating rn

[tranquil quartz]

Within a couple million years of horneri

[light osprey]

So what’s the story, Xingezhuang is older than previously dated? Or is just Nemegt being redated

[sullen cairn]

y'know if i was in koi i could search for it myself wink wink

[stiff osprey]

sike i did search it

[woeful falcon]

Clapped

[sullen cairn]

well it was worth a shot

[light osprey]

Sheesh, Zhuchentyrannus got sent way back

[tranquil quartz]

What the hell sorry Random 💀
just accidentally slipped and called lmao

[stiff osprey]

I don't know why you aren't in KOI anyway, I am going to send you there

[sullen cairn]

very based thank you

could i maybe get a 2.0 invite while we're at it?

[undone parcel]

i may be stupid but whats KOI

[tranquil quartz]

Is KOI an elite group of paleo discordists

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/elite-gif-18620140

[undone parcel]

paleo secret service

[light osprey]

And Nemegt, now dated at 66mya?

[stiff osprey]

Minimum 66, it likely starts much eatlier

[sullen cairn]

nemegt got it's minimum age redated to 66 ma so deposition ended 66 Ma. it could've actually formed earlier

[light osprey]

Mkay

[tranquil quartz]

Is there a possibility tyrannosauroids were running around asia when Zhu-Tarb were around?

[sullen cairn]

alectrosaurus maybe iren dabasu has weird dating

[undone parcel]

alectro is problematic

[sullen cairn]

although i think it's before nemegt at least

alectro itself is fine it just have like 234324 things referred to it with no overalpping elements

[undone parcel]

isnt the holotype not fully described or something

[sullen cairn]

there's a redecription at least

might be closed access but still

[undone parcel]

asian small tyrannosaurs being screwy

[light osprey]

Alioramini are just delicious

[undone parcel]

i..dont like that sentence

[tranquil quartz]

Alioramini just stupid

[undone parcel]

no its not theyre distinct

[tranquil quartz]

Why give up being obese and having big jaw nom nom

[sullen cairn]

yeah alectro got a redescription back in 89

[undone parcel]

being obese doesnt help if your catching faster prey

[sullen cairn]

alectro's crazy fast

[light osprey]

At least they got a tribe instead of their own subfamily

[sullen cairn]

alectro's faster than every tyrannosauroid that isn't a juvenile albertosaurine

[light osprey]

Hey didn’t someone do Larremendi’s formula and Qianzhousaurus turned out kind of an average speed compared to what we’d expect from it?

[tranquil quartz]

That was a low blow no need for Alioramini to rub it in

What on the earth is Deinodon

[undone parcel]

tooth

[tranquil quartz]

Dubious?

[undone parcel]

its a damn tooth taxa

[light osprey]

Means it’s super reliable 💯

[undone parcel]

its also from the 1800s

[tranquil quartz]

Dont know what I was expecting 💀

[undone parcel]

i miss Shanshanosaurus

[tranquil quartz]

Im assuming Aublysodon is same as Deinodon?

[undone parcel]

another 1800s tooth taxa

[light osprey]

Are these both from Judith River?

[tranquil quartz]

Yup 😎

[light osprey]

Gorgosaurus/Daspletosaurus cf., there all cleaned up 🧹

[undone parcel]

i think Deinodon is debated juvie dasp

[light osprey]

Trust me bro

[stiff osprey]

Deinodon is like, everything

Perks of being a tooth taxon, teeth can look the same across various species across continental distances

[tranquil quartz]

Not even going to ask about Raptorex i already know about that little hellpsawn

[light osprey]

20 species named for Deinodon 😭

Who let them do this

[undone parcel]

uhh 1800s nomenclature

[light osprey]

Some of these aren’t even Tyrannosaurs

[undone parcel]

yea? pachycephalosaurus was troodon at some point and dasp was ornithomimus

[light osprey]

Maybe that’s what this list is on about. Truly the best genus of all time

[tranquil quartz]

Who let them do this

[undone parcel]

mother nature being her self

[light osprey]

Nanotyrannus lancensis 💯

[undone parcel]

technically exists cause baby rexes are their own little gremlins

[light osprey]

Scipionyx, the superior gremlin

[undone parcel]

baby trike a literal imp

[drifting bear]

Don't insult these creatures
Now my question is what is larger, horridus or porosus?

[undone parcel]

its like the blobfish..its fugly cute

[tranquil quartz]

Would Giganotosaurinis have went through similar growth spurts as Tyrannosaurus did?

[undone parcel]

uhh i think not..

rex was a unique case since it lived fast and died young

[drifting bear]

I think giga and the like grew faster and reached adult sizes at a young age.

[light osprey]

The youngins may have that comparative lengthy proportions to an extent

[tranquil quartz]

Ive just realised someone needs to edit the Alti wiki page

Bro isn’t even registered as a member of Carchardontosauridae

[light osprey]

Usually when they do it it’s because a taxon has a shaky cladistic record, but they straight up just left bro out like that

[nocturne gazelle]

Altispinax looks a lot like conc, guess that makes sense

[honest wave]

No. Given some interesting findings, it seems carcharodontosaurids grew gradually and lived for several decades, while tyrannosaurus and its close relatives grew rapidly and got old in their late 20s.

[storm heron]

It seems thats not always the case with every Tyrannosaurid or Carcharadontosaurid: Acrocanthosaurus seems to mature similarly to Tyrannosaurus, while Tarbosaurus grows relatively slowly compared to its closest relative.

[drifting bear]

Fellas? I hear there's new wendiceratops material? Any info on that?

[sullen cairn]

https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.25045

[drifting bear]

Thank you

[bright veldt]

So I managed to gather the issues with giant Gigantopithecus. Most notably, the 2.7 meter height estimate just straight up does not have a scientific source? It seems to largely be parroted off of Wikipedia despite the fact that, in my searching, I could not find the origin of Wikipedia excerpt anywhere. Wikipedia left no source on it. The next best thing provided based on gorillas is suggesting that Gigantopithecus femur length was 20-25% larger than a gorilla’s, which is still perfectly valid and does not yield a 2.7 meter tall ape. There have also been people that have reconstructed the jaw remains with related ape proportions, like this image here (orangutan), and you can see that there is no way in hell this ape is getting to 2.7 meters unless it’s porportions are taller and thinner, or like I said, more human. Instead you get an ape slightly over 2 meters at full height, albeit it’s still the largest ape by far. Still a 200+ kg giant. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475022555032453140/1148053738796351528/image.png

@main peak

[tawdry patrol]

yeah that's what I am suggesting

[candid phoenix]

Is spinosaurus still considered the largest theropod ?

[finite thorn]

Weight no height I believe so

[candid phoenix]

Cause it says in length and weight it’s the biggest but not height that’s probably giga Carolinii

I saw this but don’t know how accurate it is

[snow python]

How heavy was Maip?

[sullen cairn]

3060kg

[sullen cairn]

that chart's pretty bad

[candid phoenix]

Oh does anyone have a more accurate one ?

[sullen cairn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GVpHchzogtjkTqQrP7PFM2BAWMGHYHABD-Xnk_6KPj0/edit
this sheets pretty decent

[candid phoenix]

Thanks !

Also is it still disputed if torosaurus is an adult trike or another species ?

[covert lintel]

nah, they're 100% different animals. there's too much stuff that doesn't line up when treating triceratops as a juvenile torosaurus

[candid phoenix]

Ah yeah

Also wondering if dracorex and stygimoloch are lil pachys or nah

[covert lintel]

dracorex is a juvenile pachy, yeah
stygi's a lil bit more complicated iirc?

[sullen cairn]

stygi's probably pachycephalosaurus spinifer with dracorex being an ontogenetic stage (of p. spinifer)

[candid phoenix]

So stygi is like a subspecies ?

[sullen cairn]

It's a separate proper species from Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis (tradional pachy), like how lions and leopards are two separate species within the genus Panthera. With Dracorex being the same thing as Pachycephalosaurus spinifer (Stygimoloch).

[candid phoenix]

Ahhh Gotcha , Do you know any good dinosaur YouTubers that posts videos on new Dino discoveries just so I can stay updated on paleo stuff

[sullen cairn]

raptor chatter's great and so is the skeleton crew (though they don't do much news) and ben g thomas is pretty good as well

your dinosaurs are wrong too

[candid phoenix]

Thanks !

[main peak]

Very interesting, though to me that skeletal still looks a fair bit taller than the one paleo-art piece I've seen floating around 😛 Would you happen to have a link to any of the Orangutan related studies? I have had a hard time finding good info on Giganto because of all the rather poor info out there.

[bright veldt]

What do you mean by orangutan studies?

[pearl briar]

the ape of all time

[main peak]

The ones you mentioned that reconstructed the jaw remains "with related ape proportions"

[tranquil quartz]

Its like the 5th largest one

[main peak]

Spino was likely the longest, but when referring to the "largest" it usually referring to weight. Rex is the largest.

[candid phoenix]

is rex the tallest as well?

[main peak]

Probably depends if you include the sail or not, not sure tbh

[tranquil quartz]

Theri is iirc?

[bright veldt]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0047248479901118 if ur referring to the orangutan reconstruction then it’s not something in any article, that’s just as an example put together that shows it cause of how you can’t conceivably make a 2.7 ape look correct with the given skull material measurements

Also here’s the largest theropods for those asking (carchar is likely to change soon tmk but that’s about it)

1. Tyrannosaurus (12m, 10 tons)
2. Giganotosaurus (13m, 9 tons)
3. Deinocheirus (12m, 8.5 tons)
   4+5. Spinosaurus (14m, 7.5 tons), Tyrannotitan (12m, 7.5 tons)
   6+7. Carcharodontosaurus & Mapusaurus (12m, 7 tons)
4. Saurophagonax (13m, 6.5 tons)
   9, 10, 11, + 12. Acrocanthosaurus (12m, 5.5 tons), Suchomimus (12m, 5.5 tons), Therizinosaurus (9m, 5.5 tons), Tarbosaurus (11m, 5.5 tons)

[tranquil quartz]

Why does this chart have S.aeg at 3.1 tons

[bright veldt]

It’s the whole “this one specimen may not be spino” mess

[main peak]

Great, thank you! We need more official studies on Giganto...

[candid phoenix]

damn didnt know deinocherius was that big

[bright veldt]

Yeah it’s a unit

[candid phoenix]

yeah the two spinosaurus in that chart confused me

bruh just found out about a trex called E.d cope which would be bigger than scotty

[bright veldt]

Could

[candid phoenix]

would be pretty terrifying finding a trex bigger than scotty though

[undone parcel]

of course its named cope

[peak jetty]

"just found"?

It was found in the 90s

[undone parcel]

they just found out about it themselves

[pearl briar]

that's holotype spino

[peak jetty]

I assume from the Vivden video thats suddenly eating everyone's algorithm. Best not to take anything he says seriously

[undone parcel]

why not

yea i dont recall Vivden having anything bad..

[peak jetty]

You mean why you shouldn't take paleontological isnight from the guy whose every video is about "the biggest" size contests and power scaling? The guy who takes the "neuron count" intelligent Rex garbage seriously?

[undone parcel]

ok the only one there is the rex neuron one that might be a bit much but last i checked "whos bigger" contests and Who would win fights are nothing new...besides i watched the rex v giga one and he wasnt biased

besides he admits his mistake with the neuron thing in the comment's..

[peak jetty]

I'm really not sure how else to explain that someone who's interest in prehistoric animals begins and ends with "which was biggest and strongest" isn't worth listening to. They'll take any paper that ups something's percieved "capabilities" as fact and run with it no matter how dubious the source, so long as it makes it sound cooler.

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-awesome-gif-24717465

[undone parcel]

so i must not like dinosaurs then cause i like those contests as long as theres no bias and its explained how each party could win simply cause i like it

[covert lintel]

pro tip: "someone whose interest in prehistoric animals begins and ends with Which Was The Strongest" and "someone who's interested in prehistoric animals and likes Who Would Win discussions" aren't the same

[undone parcel]

autism dictates it involves dinosaurs so i have to see it

[peak jetty]

Thanks Mozar thats what I mean, Im not telling you what you can and cant enjoy, Red

at least, I dont mean to

[candid phoenix]

Yeah I saw the Vivden video but didn’t know how refutable that guy is

[undone parcel]

i mean..the rex v giga video seemed like one of the better ones cause it isnt biased and he states that situation matters or something like who would hit first.. i just know he probably has the only decent video on Bruhathkayosaurus

what is..Megalanias current length estimate..still 23ish feet?

[bright veldt]

20 ft, 6 meters

[undone parcel]

would..23 be plausible

pretty sure 23 would...Monitors are known for the tails

[light osprey]

Intraspecific body size variation, so sure I guess

[undone parcel]

god if Komodo tail whacks are compared to sledgehammers imagine how strong a full powered Megs tail smack would be..

[viscid surge]

Very painful

[undone parcel]

just folds your spine

[light osprey]

What epoch is it known from

[viscid surge]

The one right now 👍

[peak jetty]

thissun

[light osprey]

Only the Holocene?

[undone parcel]

i think that it was in decline due to the on going megafaunal extinction in Australia then a certain ape appeared with their sticks and fire and probably pushed them over the edge

[viscid surge]

Probably not idk

[undone parcel]

pleistocene..to Holo? cause i think current extinction date is roughly 40,000

[light osprey]

Makes sense. Pleistocene is pretty rad 😎

[undone parcel]

Mammoths survived into the Holocene, Wooly specifically

[main notch]

Hey paleo chat, how many dinosaur species exist as of today

[undone parcel]

1300 genera roughly

[light osprey]

I wonder how reliable any given number would be, considering all those nomen dubiums and waste basket taxon n stuff

[main notch]

That feels way lower then I expected

[undone parcel]

cause genera isnt species cause some genera have multiple species and im not even including birds

[tranquil quartz]

I mean you have got every bird extant and extinct. You have got a ton of undescribed dinosaur material which could lead to more genus’s and then theres around 1300 described non avian genus’s. Its hard to pinpoint the exact number

[pearl briar]

13-20 ft

[peak jetty]

Any info floating around about what kind of biome/environment the Chorrillo Formation would've been?

[little mauve]

Warm temperate, seasonally humid with a well watered floodplain. Lots of aquatic plants have been found, including water lillies. Forests were a mix of conifers and angiosperms

[peak jetty]

thx

[honest wave]

My understanding is that it was a coastal region that was subject to seasonally high humidity. It also seems to have had a delta system running throughout it.

Basically the same as what gbones said I guess

[peak jetty]

tysm, was having a tough time interpreting the papers

[white matrix]

What on earth was going on with Pachy?

[heady thunder]

I mean, have you seen them in game rn?

[light osprey]

It’s true, I was there

[bright veldt]

I literally can’t explain because of the damn censor bot. It sounds like a not so nice term for Pakistani people in Europe

[tranquil quartz]

Lets just say people were calling the ‘pachy’ part a racist word

[light osprey]

Speaking of environments though, do we have any modern examples of a lacustrine rift-basin?

[compact leaf]

I think the african rift valley and baikal both have one

[little mauve]

Yeah both are good examples. The great rift valley in Africa has tons of rift lakes, very cool place

[light osprey]

I’d been reading some literature about the Romauldo Formation, the terminology popped so I was curious as to the in life appearance of the environment

[little mauve]

Like a series of large valleys, some filled with water, some just holding a bit of water (perhaps as alkaline lakes) and some dry/filled with vegetation. Rift valleys are really cool because it's literal plate tectonics happening before your eyes

There's a marine element too iirc so a good modern proxy could be somewhere on the Indian Ocean in East Africa, Tanzania or something

[light osprey]

Is there any unnamed dinosaur material from there? (Romualdo)

[stiff osprey]

There's a megaraptoran and a spinosaurid (not Irritator, a larger species reaching 8-10 m)

[untold arch]

i have a thoery

tyrannosaurus drove albertosaurus to extinction

hear me out

tyrannosaurus showed up around the time albertosaurus went extinct, it also has been found in canada

[light osprey]

Angaturama?

[little mauve]

Here's the Rufiji River in Tanzania, geologically a good modern proxy

[light osprey]

Yeah these lacustrine plains are what I envisioned lol

[little mauve]

That's pretty much spot on, and if you saw it from the air they'd be concentrated in these large rift valleys

[sullen cairn]

LPP-PV-0042, tibia fragment

haha brick's drive has a pdf of it i win

[untold arch]

meaning there is a good chance that they did meet, even if it was just tyrannosaurs migrating through alberta, but the rexes would have needed lots of food, food that was more than what albertosaurs needed meaning they would've killed more prey, bullied albertosaurs off of carcasses, and would have even possibly killed unsuspecting albertosaurs, the prey in alberta would not have been built to defend against a grown tyrannosaurus they would be used to the iincredibly speedy and less durable albertosaurs, so the tyrannosaurs could've hunted with ease, too much ease therefore decreasing the prey population due to them being hunted or them leaving alberta, therefore leaving no food for the albertosaurs and starving them out

[sullen cairn]

Isn’t regalis like the same size as annectans if not slightly larger on average

[bright veldt]

The overcompetition theory is bogus. Less that it’s impossible and more that it’s a very sensational idea backed by nothing but fringe coincidences

[light osprey]

Aren’t the largest Edmontosaurus specimens E. annectens?

[sullen cairn]

Yeah but on average

[bright veldt]

AFAIK they had similar average sizes but regalis had a much smaller max (11m and 7 tons I think?)

[sullen cairn]

Anyways competitive displacement into extinction isn’t that common in nature and there was an entire faunal overturn going on at the time that was probably playing more of a factor

[tranquil quartz]

No

[bright veldt]

When overcompetition does happen it’s a more complicated endeavor than people think that focuses on a myriad of ecological factors. It’s rarely the case that one animal just stomps another out of existence.

[untold arch]

it's just a theory, it kind of makes sense of you think about it, rexes need incredible amounts of food to survive, they wouldve killed off the dinos that couldnt defend themselves (which wouldve been most) but yes sense there is no evidence that tyrannosaurus lived in alberta it may just be a couincedence that it showed up around albertosaurs extinction, its all speculation and its fun to speculate

[tranquil quartz]

It does not make sense

[sullen cairn]

now that said this image goes so hard

[fallow citrus]

it does

[light osprey]

There are some early Maastrichtian deposits with A. sarcophagus or maybe just Horseshoe but it counts for something

[bright veldt]

They’re quite different animals outside of size. One important factor is that albertosaurs were social while tyrannosaurus probably wasn’t.

[silk radish]

“Final boss!”

[next moss]

Did sue get taller

[stone tartan]

Tyrannosaurus probably lived in a mating pair

[silk radish]

Yeh

[sullen cairn]

alberto's just horseshoe too so and i don't know of any tyranosaurini known from there

[untold arch]

i like thinking that

[bright veldt]

There’s nothing to suggest that Tbf.

Albeit idk what evidence would suggest that either

[untold arch]

"why do i hear boss music?"

[bright veldt]

Either way it’s a very different ecological gambit. IE being able to live at higher densities than their larger cousin

[stone tartan]

It could have or it couldn't, you never gonna really know.

[bright veldt]

I wouldn’t be surprised if both had a similar method of rearing young tho, and that might bite albertosaurs in the ass

[sullen cairn]

you had gorgosaurus and daspletosaurus living together fine in dinosaur park, although those too were way closer in size then rex and any albertosaurine

[heady thunder]

Dasp was decently beefier then gorgo tho

[bright veldt]

Fair actually so nvrmind. Maybe that’s why we found young albertosaurs with adults.

[light osprey]

Size difference maybe just makes it easy for Albertosaurus to specialise hunting cursorial prey with less competition.

[sullen cairn]

kid named 1.093m femur

[stone tartan]

Triceratops are my favorite dinosaur

[untold arch]

true which kinda throws off my whole theory now that i think of it

[stone tartan]

Agreed

[light osprey]

They also concurrently go extinct with the faunal overturn so it wouldn’t really matter

[tough parcel]

Sue has cartilage in the limbs, the Scotty skeletal does not hence why she's now taller

[sullen cairn]

okay so looking at it regalis might've been larger on average but it could be a sampling issue but i can't check anyways because only the thesis template is accesable and that doesn't have figures

[untold arch]

i just got the theory because we dont know why albertosaurs went extinct

[tough parcel]

(Probably environmental change)

[sullen cairn]

if someone mentions periculosus i'm gonna scream

[untold arch]

yeah probably, but its fun to speculate

[untold arch]

you talkin about edmonto?

[sullen cairn]

ye

[untold arch]

nice

[heady thunder]

Does this mean the Sue skeletal is better?

[tough parcel]

I mean, it's a different specimen so they're not really applicable lmao

El em ay oh

[heady thunder]

I meant, is a skeletal taking in account cartilage better then one without?

[sullen cairn]

did you account for the 1% albertosuarus increase with cmn 5600?

[tough parcel]

Yea, but as I said, you can't really say one's better than the other considering they're different specimens. You can add the small amount of cartilage yourself anyways

[tough parcel]

It's ROM 807 so maybe

[light osprey]

Very cool and rad

[heady thunder]

Yeah I know that the sue skeletal is a worse scotty skeletal then the scotty one, but I just meant cartilage vs no cartilage.

[sullen cairn]

me when 10cm longer mandibles

[tough parcel]

🤷‍♂️ As I said, you can always add the cartilage yourself, it's a very minor thing

[heady thunder]

That alberta looks funky, did someone drop smth on its head?

[light osprey]

Ha you beat me to it

[tough parcel]

Something something new skull that seems to be right, but I hate it so I reject reality

[sullen cairn]

sharpe and beagliam both have the funky skull

[tough parcel]

There is another, but idk if it's "fully" released (and no scale bar so L)

[chilly knot]

Something in my head tells me "ain't no way that's not a crushed skull"

[lavish frigate]

My reaction to that information:

[sullen cairn]

it looks like mud butte rex skull, as in it seems like it was crushed by a boulder as a small child

gorgeous george rep wooo

[stiff osprey]

love that his name is gorgeous george and he's a daspleto

[tough parcel]

It's a bunch of skull bits that are put together, not a specific skull iirc. Like unwarped bits thrown together

[stiff osprey]

break the uncreative naming norms george 💪

[chilly knot]

[sullen cairn]

me i have like 2 separate potential catalogue numbers for an obnoxius period of time

[drifting bear]

What about a new skull?

[drifting bear]

Table?

[heady thunder]

Guy got a chad head. gorgeous indeed.

[sullen cairn]

Gorgeous George is AMNH 5336 but it was described as AMNH 5434 and everyone called in that in literature (the same thing happened with AMNH 5434 becoming AMNH 5336)

And then Gorgeous George moved to the field museum and became FMNH PR 308

And along the way gorgeous George was reassigned to daspletosaurus sp. rather than it’s original gorgosaurus assignment, but the other specimen is still gorgosaurus

[drifting bear]

Oh

[light osprey]

So distortion?

[stiff osprey]

Hesperosaurus holotype casually having four

[chilly knot]

I heard Sharpes skull is good so probably not?

[sullen cairn]

I think it looks ugly so I refuse to believe it

[stiff osprey]

Sharpe's skull is still being worked on, I think his 2022 reconstruction is ugly as hell but I'll wait for a more detailed one

[chilly knot]

It just looks uncanny to me

[woeful falcon]

this fried my brain

[sullen cairn]

Same

The worst part is when the actual gorgosaurus specimen is given it’s “original” catalogue number people reasonably think it’s gorgeous George because it used that exact same number in literature

[woeful falcon]

pleasing

[sullen cairn]

the man (why is the femur so big)

[wary panther]

idk

[stiff osprey]

why is his skull like that

[woeful falcon]

anotha one

[sullen cairn]

I couldn’t find any better looking pictures

I’m stealing that

[stiff osprey]

Me pondering my rock

[sullen cairn]

Stegoceras skull will never not disturb me

[woeful falcon]

forgot there was a more recent profile shot of that boi until now

[sullen cairn]

i am also stealing that

[late atlas]

Would it be possible Paleo chat for a Dino to use the trapdoor style of taking down prey that the Trapdoor Spider uses All my expertise is in Arachnids

[viscid surge]

Don’t see why not I suppose?

[late atlas]

I feel like it would have been very effective

[bright veldt]

It’s not really practical for a large animal to do that. Trapdoor spiders are able to have their doors specifically because the structures bound together with silk.

[late atlas]

Yes but it doesn't have to be a perfeft 1 for 1, nor does it have to be a large predator. If I am not mistaken there are smaller dinos from around that time, cat sized even

[woeful falcon]

how many animals utilize trap doors

[late atlas]

I am not sure

[woeful falcon]

this question has reminded me that antlion's exist

bugs are crazy man

[viscid surge]

Spiders and people at least

[light oxide]

But antlions don't use trapdoors.

The only reason trapdoors work for the trapdoor spider is because of a spider's ability to spin webs. The webs allows them to make intact structures, such as the lid of a trapdoor.

[woeful falcon]

I know they don't. I was just saying it reminded me they exist

[light oxide]

Ah. I see. My apologies.

[light osprey]

Macro fauna on the scale of Dinosaurs just sound wildly inefficient to try to use anything amalgamating to a “trapdoor” hunting method.