paleontology

[frigid coral]

That was the old depiction of Deinocherius

[white matrix]

It’s not very deinocheirus like

[tranquil quartz]

I mean I doubt anything is very Deinocherius like.

[frigid coral]

It’s very much possible it could’ve, as the same case happened with Deinocherius before more material was found

[stiff osprey]

Just lenghten the (unpreserved!) dorsal spines and snout, and boom, mini deinocheirus

[tranquil quartz]

I mean doesn’t Deinocherius have its own family, Deinocheiridae. Wouldn’t all members of that be similar to Deinocherius? Including lifestyle.

[stiff osprey]

iirc Deinocheiridae is composed only of Deinocheirus and Hexing

[tranquil quartz]

Thought Beishan, Garudi, Paraxen and Harpy were as well iirc. I mean I think they are all pretty fragmentary so idk.

[stiff osprey]

Oh I see, Garudimimidae is lumped with Deinocheiridae now

I can definitely say Harpymimus and Garudimimus don't look like Deinocheirus. So probably just the closest relatives

[tranquil quartz]

I think Paraxen resembles Deinocheir iirc.

I mean idk how up to date and accurate this skeletal is but from the looks of it, it resembles Cheir quite well.

Oh nvm just realised this is a similar case to indet

[woeful falcon]

He did a new parax skeletal recently as well

[clever sable]

So what are the estimates for fasolasuchus? Aren't they like 3-4 tons?

[stiff osprey]

1.5-2t

[clever sable]

Damn, bro got downsized

[viscid surge]

How are you meant to reconstruct that from three bones 💀

[meager sedge]

@balmy bridge Please do not post off-topic images on the server! Thankyou.

[balmy bridge]

K can I do it somewhere else?

[meager sedge]

No, we do not have any general off-topic channels as this is a server dedicated to Path of Titans.

[balmy bridge]

Ok just checking

You got to be the most nicest discord moderator I have ever come across in my three years of discord

[woeful falcon]

Missing elements come from its closest relatives

[pearl briar]

anyone knows what is carcha's most up-to-date length & weight?

[stoic tinsel]

the weight is likely higher

depends what you use really i use the 350-400 kilo estimate

[clever sable]

So what are the estimates for purussaurus neivensis?

[snow pivot]

Are there 2 different names to distinguish sauropods that take on different stances like how Brachiosaurus has more of a taller stance but Diplodocus has more of a longer stance?
I couldnt seem to find much on this probably cause im just dumb but it feels like there would be names to distinguish them
Or how for example..Brachiosauri? Brachiosauruses..have longer front legs than hind legs but somthing like Diplodocus or supersaurus idk has limbs that are more even lengthened idk

[compact leaf]

it depends on what family the sauropod is from different families have different postures, so the family with brachiosaurus in it is brachiosauridae, you got sauropods like amargasaurus in dicraeosauridae, and so on and so forth

[snow pivot]

So its just the families that distinguish them?
So somthing like sauroposeidon is a brachiosaurid and Diplodocus or supersaurus or amargasaurus etc would be dicraeosauridae?

[snow python]

I think 12-12,5m and 7,5-8,2 tons but I'm not sure

[snow pivot]

But what about like mamenchisaurus or dreadnoughtus or any other sauropod like that and they have even sort of leg lengths but are positioned as if theyre like Giraffatitan basically giving them a height stance rather than a long stance.
Based on what ive seen of course, theres probably some super mega accurate fossil reconstruction that i havent seen yet

[snow python]

Dreadnoughtus, yeah it may have had a Brachiosaurus like stance, Mamenchisaurus I think it had a similar stance

[snow pivot]

I used to call them long necks and tall necks and hoped it was accurate

But with sort of exceptions like Dreadnoughtus it gets confusing

[snow python]

Iirc most titanosaurs had this brachi stance

[stiff osprey]

High browsers vs low browsers/grazers. It's not an infallible distinction though, some sauropods that look like low browsers can be high browsers simply because they're big

Low browsers are the most basal sauropods, dicraeosaurids, rebbachisaurids, and Saltasaurus/Neuquensaurus. Basically everything else is a high browser

[pearl briar]

i almost didn't recognize u are randomdinos 💀

[stiff osprey]

It was funnier when I was H,E,A,7 and no one could tell

[elfin pulsar]

I miss the tapir 😔

[pearl briar]

same

[stiff osprey]

So do I, though she scared me

[chilly knot]

4.4-5.2m

[plain parcel]

Mimodactylus Libanensis

[pearl briar]

i tried my best but this is everything i got now atm
but oh well, here's spinosaurus bff size info

[compact leaf]

most titanosaurs kind of split the difference while still remaining tilted up, more vertical than diplodocoids but less vertical than brachiosaurids

[compact leaf]

I don’t have an article because there isn’t one yet (I just heard about it from a sauropod researcher), but it looks like we should be getting some scans of sauropod skull anatomy hopefully soon

[heady thunder]

Wait, we havent had that already?

[compact leaf]

we may have but we’re getting more now lol, they’re basically running a diplodocus skull through a CT scanner like they’ve done with rex and ankylosaurus

it’s hard to do stuff with sauropod skulls just because of how rare they are so any non invasive method of learning more about their internal skull anatomy is really exciting

[pearl nymph]

looks cool

[vocal breach]

Scoliosis

[paper maple]

What species is the one on the right pls

[sage cave]

Pycno?

[hallow spear]

Cool

[crisp sparrow]

Pycnonemosaurus

[paper maple]

thanks both of u

[tulip dove]

You could just call it Carnotaurus because that is what PoT Pycno is
Carno with a fancy name

[paper maple]

it has an interesting roar

[tranquil quartz]

Its the one in game, Pycno

[heady thunder]

Pycno the frogger

[timber wadi]

Hi im new

[small temple]

Probably my fav roars in pot are the Allo or cerra (I don’t remember well) and the anky (the snorts)

[plain parcel]

Sucho

[viral jasper]

anyone here know of any prehistoric bats? I would love to mod one or two...or three into the game, prehistoric birds are also welcome

[white matrix]

Are you looking for a big bat to mod (the biggest bat)

[viral jasper]

as long as its extinct, sure

[light osprey]

Isn’t A. Jubatus the largest bat to have existed?

[white matrix]

Nvm the biggest bat ever is still alive sooo

[viral jasper]

thats a cheetah

oh, its also a bat, nvm

[light osprey]

Different genus

[viral jasper]

if i had a nickle for every time a creature was named A. Jubatus I would have two nickels, which isn't a lot but its strange it has happened twice

[covert lintel]

wait until you hear about everything named t. rex

[compact leaf]

wait until you hear about everything named C. elegans (I swear there’s at least 9)

[clever sable]

If I had a nickel from every time someone made the "if I had a nickel" joke I would have a lot of nickels

[steady rock]

should a stygimoloch be able to run out run pycno in real life?

[clever sable]

Stygimoloch is no longer valid

[steady rock]

i know, but like calfs and cows, im using stygi as another name for a younger pachy

[clever sable]

It was synonymised with pachy, and baby patchys would either be called chicks or hatchlings

[tough parcel]

You’re not forced to use chicks or hatchlings, you can use other terminology

As for your question…we dunno considering neither of them have speed estimates . We know Pycno’s a good deal larger so based off stride length maybe but pachycephalosaurs might be fast as young animals

[woeful falcon]

here's the real good strat

calling it a spinifer 😎

[light osprey]

Very excited

[woeful falcon]

with wikipedia stuff I tend to just not mention the size part and go for description of the animal and where it's from, if that will help at all

one thing some of my teachers over the years said, because they knew better about wikipedia, was to look at the sources at the bottom of the page and cite those when using information from it

well it must have been my generation making those memes lol

Wikipedia has its flaws, but it is very resourceful still if you know how to navigate it and what to look for. For example when looking at the phylogeny of an animal, I rarely look at the page of that animal because it might not have the most up to date phylogeny. Usually I look for recently described relatives that will have updated cladograms

[frigid coral]

is there any really agreed upon reconstruction for hatz? I see the one with the chunky neck and beak be shared around a lot, but Prehistoric Planet has a more quetz looking ver, with a skinnier neck

[woeful falcon]

talkin bout this bad boi?

[stiff osprey]

same for T. rex

[white matrix]

Please tell me that’s accurate

[compact leaf]

it might be but it’s hard to tell with hatz, the wing tips shouldn’t be that round though

[woeful falcon]

when this exists, I'd rather say no to the other

idk really any others off hand, but here's sergi's skeletal of it

[light osprey]

Thicc

[white matrix]

That’s one looks small for hatz I could be wrong tho

[compact leaf]

some of them probably had a pretty wide range so I wouldn’t rule it out

[woeful falcon]

I trust in sergi's scaling. it probably would look a lot bigger in person

plus hatz was always the heavier of the big azdharchids while the others had the height

probably conca honestly

[chilly knot]

That's like 50/50, tho shaochilong is fragmentary af

[sage cave]

Conc is a charch I thought

[woeful falcon]

carchs are allosauroids. Allosauroidea is like, including all the things like allosaurus, metriacanthosaurids, carchs, so on and so forth

[pearl briar]

is this accurate?
https://youtu.be/6LGCk08zMbg

[sage cave]

So equivalent to saying pit vipers r colubrids then? Gotcha

Just thinking out loud lol

[woeful falcon]

googles

no, but close.

[snow pivot]

Whats the number of dinosaur species thats been found again
And pterosaurs
and marine reptiles..

[astral kelp]

There is a lot

[woeful falcon]

a lot

[chilly knot]

Superfamily (Allosauroidea) -> Family (Carcharodontosauridae)

[snow pivot]

REAL

[astral kelp]

Wait is baharia in Tyrannosauroidea or Allosauroidea?

[woeful falcon]

baharia is what I would call a mess

[chilly knot]

Stop caring about bahariya

[cold carbon]

Aí como faz pra jogar?

[snow pivot]

What is baharia

[astral kelp]

It’s on my mod roster, I can’t,

[chilly knot]

Bad mistake honestly

[woeful falcon]

probably should pick something other than it

[snow pivot]

I think bahariasaurus is barhariasaurid

[woeful falcon]

true

[snow pivot]

Whats he saying (im too lazy to translate it myself)

[woeful falcon]

#português
for my portuguese speaking homies

[cold carbon]

@white matrix blz mano obrigado ai

[snow pivot]

Do you speak any other flavors

[woeful falcon]

but anyway yeah I'd shoot for something other than baharia

generally speaking if the placement is so jacked up that we don't know whether its a coelurosaur or a carnosaur, that's one to avoid

[frigid coral]

How is this new Utahraptor accuracy wise? The colors I’ve heard are just because of the light box making them harsh btw

[woeful falcon]

Portuguese and Spanish, fraternal twin languages

[snow pivot]

You learned english in 6 months thats just its not,how

[woeful falcon]

talking with people who speak English. Fluency arises from immersing yourself in a language and culture

which is why me being in one of the most northern parts of the US means I probably won't become fluent in any other language up here

[snow pivot]

took me like a year (its my first and only language)
On topic though
Carno is an Abelisaurid right?
And abelisauruds have like that head structure that looks like,well carnotaurus

[woeful falcon]

carno is an abelisaurid yes

I like that a lot, seeing the features and recognizing the shared traits

another even more obvious trait that makes it very clearly an abelisaurid: its arms

[snow pivot]

So is there a difference between calling somthing an Abelisaurid and a carnosaur
Like is using carnosaur referencing a specific abelisaurid that has horns? Or just a single horn like Majungasaurus

[woeful falcon]

carnosaur refers to the clade Carnosauria, whereas Carno is short for Carnotaurus

[astral kelp]

Any suggestions?

[woeful falcon]

Abelisaurids are in the clade Ceratosauria with dinosaurs like, you guessed it, Ceratosaurus

[woeful falcon]

what's your list so far

and correction, abelisaurs aren't carnosaurs. they're ceratosaurs

[snow pivot]

Wait so hold on tf?
Carnotaurus is an Abelisaurid
Carnotaurus is a carnosaur?
The family is Abelisaurid but theres a clade called carnosauria?
What is this brain blast

Familys have clades
Clades differentiate from the original family by a bit and theyre still related but theyre somthing different..

[woeful falcon]

that's how Avetheropoda is split, in a simplified way. but if you take it back a bit and go up the clades you get to Averostra, which has Ceratosauria and Tetanurae.

[compact leaf]

technically you can call any group a clade it’s not like one specific denomination

[snow pivot]

But carnosauria isnt above Abelisauridae im pretty certain right?
Why is this so complicated
But clade is higher than family?

[woeful falcon]

Carnotaurus is this. Carnosauria/Carnosaurs are a group of dinosaurs and Carnotaurus is not in that group. The only similarity is they start with "carno" which means meat

[snow pivot]

Ik what carnotaurus is
What other dinosaurs start with carno

[frigid coral]

They really need to make a new term for the stuff above clades

[woeful falcon]

clade just means a group of related organisms. there isn't really a higher or lower because families are clades, super families are clades, so on and so forth

all the groups are clades. the higher up you go, the broader it gets and the more distantly related things become

[frigid coral]

damn you clades

[snow pivot]

Ok ok ok
This is too much carno for one discussion

[woeful falcon]

I also don't know any other dinosaurs with "carno" in their name off hand other than Carnotaurus.

[frigid coral]

new least favorite scientific term

[woeful falcon]

Furileusauria is specifically within Abelisauridae also.

Abelisaurids confuse me with how they are so I don't bother with them

[snow pivot]

Id like to eventually get to a dinosaur family that i actually know because this is making me feel so goddamn dumb i stg

Its not even abelisaurus😭

[woeful falcon]

The Tyrannosaurids have a very simplified way of doing it. You have Tyrannosauridae, and within that you have Albertosaurinae and Tyrannosaurinae, the subfamilies. Albertosaurinae includes dinosaurs more closely related to Albertosaurus, and Tyrannosaurinae are closer to Tyrannosaurus. Within Tyrannnosaurinae you have tribes such as Alioramini and Daspletosaurini. More closely related to Alioramus and Das respectively.

[frigid coral]

your mother smelt of monophyletic groups and your father was a clade, now go off before I taunt you a second time

[snow pivot]

Can we get some light for him 😭😭😭

The first google image is always the funniest

Dino?
Alphabet?

Iguanodon😭

I feel like acro in Jwe2 is what t rex shouldve been

[snow pivot]

Oh no paleobotany

[clever sable]

Acro is my favorite dinosaur

[astral kelp]

tbh I have appalachiosaurus in my roster for a potential replacement for baharia

[clever sable]

Oxalaia is an animal not a plant, google thinks it's a flower I guess

[snow pivot]

Yeah i know

[clever sable]

W opinion

[woeful falcon]

app's a good one. might I also suggest Bistahieversor if we're going down the tyrannosaur route

[snow pivot]

I love oxalaia (like 3 fossils have been found)

[woeful falcon]

app you gotta be careful though with its arms because a lot of the recons give it the long arms of Dryptosaurus because at one point it was part of Dryptosauridae with it. But idk where it stands on the arm length now

[snow pivot]

How well do ichthyovenator and concavenator connect

[clever sable]

Oxalaia may be synonymous with spinosaurus (although we can't be sure)

[snow pivot]

Use simpler english(ive been speaking it my whole life)
So basically oxalaia is prolly just spinosaurus but slightly different

[woeful falcon]

dude is a beast
(art by Lucus Attwell and Jacob Baardse)

[snow pivot]

I remember when i was 10 i was a megalodon believer😭😭😭

[woeful falcon]

not as well as the memes would lead you to believe

[astral kelp]

It has a drytpo sub, so one sub will def have the long arms

[clever sable]

I remember when I was younger I thought that carno was like, T. rex sized

[light osprey]

That is quite a pterygoid

[woeful falcon]

you learn something new everyday

[light osprey]

Too bad it’s a shoddy genus and by all reasonable account would just be speciation of Spinosaurus

[woeful falcon]

which is still pretty cool. Spinosaurus in south america

wait, how does that j sound

like, "joke"

[snow pivot]

What just happend chat shifted around

[light osprey]

Tapejara

[snow pivot]

I believe the utmost correct pronunciation (my opinion) is
Tappay Jar uh

[woeful falcon]

okay good, Walking With Dinosaurs steered me on the right path

on that note, how do y'all say Diplodocus

I had no idea Diplodocus was pronounced different ways and it blew my mind when I first heard another pronunciation

[frigid coral]

Diplod-ick-us

[woeful falcon]

di-PLAH-di-cus

[frigid coral]

I keep having to repeat it to make sure I’m writing it how I actually pronounce it

[snow pivot]

Ok so with google searches tupi is Filipino?
And its pronounced
Tape
As in the sticky paper
And hara

Diplodocus is definitely

Dih-plod-o-cus

[woeful falcon]

this is the way I heard it which threw me off

[frigid coral]

I have a grudge on anyone who pronounced it this way

[snow pivot]

40,seconds,later

[woeful falcon]

How I've always said it and how it will always be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yv7Pi78Og

[snow pivot]

Tapesharta
Also that Diplodocus looks so dumb lmao

[frigid coral]

I learned how to say it by some old book

[snow pivot]

Yes mate i heard the j but not as potent as i thought it would be

[frigid coral]

I think a question about the book was one of the first things I ever asked here

It was about if Liopleurodon was 125 feet long

I spelled it wrong though so I can’t find it

[woeful falcon]

I'll say tapejara now as an american would

actually jk I don't want to send a voice note. just watch wwd and see how he says it

[snow pivot]

Absolutely yes just watched it

[woeful falcon]

friend of mine, VividSky, he says it like diploh dohcus

[snow pivot]

I feel like you would say Diplodocus like how the spongebob narrator would say jt
Ahhh ze deplodocus
Actually yeah do it

[light osprey]

Exposed

[woeful falcon]

the way it's said here is an American pronunciation. Vivid's Irish

[frigid coral]

Oh how the mighty have fallen

[snow pivot]

Your mom must have giga ears if you think shed hear that if you were any louder

yeah im scared of my mom too

[woeful falcon]

iirc from what I read, the narrator Kenneth Branagh who's British also pronounced it Diploh-dohcus, but was instructed to say DiPLAHduhcus because that's the American pronunciation and it's an American dinosaur

I have no idea where I heard that but I'm just gonna continue thinking its true

sense build

[snow pivot]

How much longer is supersaurus from Diplodocus
Like is it really that close where some ppl cant decide

[light osprey]

So it’s pronounced Diplodocus?

[woeful falcon]

ofc

[snow pivot]

Some people really say Quet zel coat lus yknow

[woeful falcon]

for the safety of not dealing with your mother I think we're good on dino pronunciation haha

that and it would be weird to just have a bunch of voice clips here

[light osprey]

I feel like I settled it

[snow pivot]

Remember when jw1 said a child cant pronounce Archaeornithomimus

Oh that made me use half a braincell
Why are some dinosaurs have almost the same name as others but like a little difference
Like Ceratosaurus
Proceratosaurus
Compsognathus
Procompsognathus
Ornithomimus
Archae ornithomimus

How is it pronounced..

Ar kay Ornithomimus

[light osprey]

Impossible

[woeful falcon]

Ketzel-coh-ahtlus is how I've always said it

[snow pivot]

Whats the ae for then
Also
Kwetzel coh atlus

[woeful falcon]

this is another case of I heard it in WWD and have always pronounced it that way haha. The q as a k sound rather than a q sound

ignoring sizes, probably ano I'd say?

[light osprey]

Most of the models have at least some sort of problem

[light oxide]

How many degrees can ceratosaurus's mouth open?

[light osprey]

Chonksaurus of course

[woeful falcon]

what's the etymology on that

nice

whatchu want with a name is for it to end in an i. So it would be martinsi, santanai so on and so forth

-ensis denotes a place, where it's from. So Tuamatersaurus brazilensis or braziliensis

your mom lizard from brazil

[astral kelp]

ensis yeah for example Mongoliensis

[pastel tartan]

Wouldnt a buncha dinosaurs be called for example “a flock of Trex”

[woeful falcon]

not necessarily. not all birds are called flocks either

for example, a murder of crows

[pastel tartan]

But a flock of Tyrannosaurus rex would be so funny

[ancient crystal]

I like the sound of a murder of velociraptors

[woeful falcon]

there would need to be enough Tyrannosaurus grouped together to even constitute a flock. I've genuinely never seen Tyrannosaurus depicted outside of like, mated pairs or a family group

[pastel tartan]

According to what lol

[woeful falcon]

and also flocks refer to specific kinds of animals too, flocking animals

[pastel tartan]

Let me live with my flock of trex

7-8 tons I believe

Spinos tail was a propeller for them to fly to other water sources/j

As a random guess prob around 15 tons

Again idk but id guess around the same

[thorny stream]

Austroraptor coolest dinosaur

[clever sable]

Yoooo, it's acrooooo

[clever sable]

(acro is my favorite dinosaur)

[wintry bane]

I went to the museum of natural history in Seoul today

[hardy ravine]

if they suddenly awake with the mind of a evil carnivore

[wintry bane]

That sounds about right lol

[hardy ravine]

lol some random Skelletons at youre face and you recording them

[viscid surge]

Scoliosisaurus

[heady thunder]

Id say probably, if they are finding bloody mammoths so preserved they look like they died yesterday, there are probably super complete fossils.
Like, Big Al was around 95% complete

[wintry bane]

Unfortunately they're not 100% complete.

[tough parcel]

There are 100% complete fossils, but they aren't of large animals

[wintry bane]

Although it could have fooled me if I didn't read it. Some of them are though

I mean, I don't know if that's even possible to find anymore. From the size of the eye socket you may be able to tell how well they saw during the day and night. But I'm no paleontologist so I could be wrong.

[woeful falcon]

As far as the earth's curvature will let them

[tough parcel]

If you mean average, 7-8 tons and 6x better than an eagle's (estimated)

[woeful falcon]

Man

What is a rex using that sort of vision for

I mean I know the answer but it's overkill. Birds have a great benefit for having such good vision how on earth did evolution say "yeah, largest land predator also getting stupid good eyes"

[tough parcel]

It's based on eye size iirc (which you can see the issue with that being the skull is huge lol)

[woeful falcon]

Yeah lmao. Vision was surely good regardless

[heady thunder]

As the big bad wolf said: To see better my child

[pearl briar]

srry for the oot but should i updating my giga size info?

[woeful falcon]

Ye

[pearl briar]

based on the recent dan folkes blog right?

https://www.thecodontia.com/blog/the-largest-theropod-dinosaur-known-to-science

[heady thunder]

Nah, base it on some random google search

[hardy ravine]

There are 100% complete fossils Preserved in amber

[gray zealot]

get that 7t Giga going 💪

[heady thunder]

💪

[covert lintel]

tbf those are fairly rare and are limited to very small animals, but it's still remarkable how well amber can preserve insects and sometimes even parts of small vertebrates

[light osprey]

I think Dan Folkes has somewhat changed his original estimate (?)

[pastel tartan]

Pretty sure its 8-9

[snow pivot]

Are we thinkin iguanodon had the moterskills to Flip a coin

[stiff osprey]

I highly doubt it could pick up a coin, but if you placed one on its hand, i'm sure it could flip it

[lunar copper]

the best carch

[heady thunder]

How old is acro?

No no no, how long ago did it exist?

Nice, did it coexist with other large theropods?

[vocal breach]

It coexisted with Acrocanthosaurus

[heady thunder]

The "other" part of the sentence disagrees

[vocal breach]

There’s not only 1 acro, is there?

There’s not just one of those is there

[heady thunder]

There is only one species

[vocal breach]

Acro coexisted with acro, get better

[tranquil quartz]

What is the largest Mesosaur? Just curious.

[chilly knot]

Mesosaur or Mosasaur typo?

[tranquil quartz]

Meso, those funny little guys.

[chilly knot]

[tranquil quartz]

[light osprey]

No

[pearl briar]

wow i didn't know sarco was a snake all along this time
@chilly knot NICE SKELETAL becomes derp

[white matrix]

Flat boy

[woeful falcon]

I hate anime girl scale I want something a bit kookier

[heady thunder]

Nothing beats the 1.8m faceless gray man for scale

[frigid coral]

I want to make the most outrageous comparison for a skeletal

[pearl briar]

like?

[heady thunder]

Use a 3m human

[pearl briar]

b r u h

[clever sable]

Do you think sarcosuchus could high walk?

[heady thunder]

I will go with probably yes, cos thats how Im feeling about it

[light osprey]

Iconic

[iron halo]

What kind of snail? Who knows

[pearl briar]

wait why is it using snail instead of human

[frosty anvil]

Banana

"Banana for scale" is commonly used yet never seen it for a skeletal

[light osprey]

Really hate how they always do that lol

[chilly knot]

I will use waifus until my last day

[clever sable]

Use a waifu and whatever that male equivalent of one is fr fr

[modest meteor]

Anyone got a good Achillobator skeletal/image?

[woeful falcon]

But waifu's are brick's thing 😡

[frigid coral]

Enjoy

[frosty anvil]

Damn

[frigid coral]

Such a helpful skeletal

[frosty anvil]

Do one but for pinacosaurus and acrocanthosaurus
Fr its so useful

[light osprey]

You can really see the scale of it all now

[frosty anvil]

Damn I can really see it all now

[light osprey]

Who’s this pretty fella

[frigid coral]

The one and only pinacosaurus

in the process I also found a skeletal that made my boy round 😭😭

it’s plank lizard not barrel bird

[light osprey]

Isn’t he a lil fella?

[frigid coral]

yeah, but compared to a banana they are massive

[modest meteor]

?

[snow pivot]

🤓

Factual?

Other than breviparopus.
Isnt brevi only known from footprints?

[light osprey]

Award for finding the most funky looking skeletal on the internet

[snow pivot]

Hey hey hey that took 3 google searches worth if research

[frigid coral]

No banana I don’t understand the scale

[compact leaf]

there’s some pretty wacky scaling here even outside of the archbishop and breviraporus, brevi is only known from footprints though yeah

[light osprey]

Skinny lil necks

[woeful falcon]

None of them

[light osprey]

Must it be a named genus?

Pectinodon 🥴 (I decided to go with a named taxon)

[stiff osprey]

Ostafrikasaurus

[snow pivot]

Is there fossil evidence for feathers on compsognathus
Or Coelophysis

[light osprey]

Not on Compsognathus per say, but a close relative

[snow pivot]

Guanlong had feathers right
Or at least fuzz

[light osprey]

Once again a case of phylogenetic relations

[snow pivot]

Act like im 8 years old and tell me

[woeful falcon]

No fossil evidence of Guanlong or Compy, but fossils of their close relatives did

So being that they're closely related, its likely they did too. If not expected

[snow pivot]

Oh Jesus hi bary

[woeful falcon]

I love the contrast between our responses

[light osprey]

That felt on topic tbh

[stuck chasm]

Please keep this channel on-topic, and avoid trolling in here. This channel is for educational purposes.

[woeful falcon]

It was until it wasn't

[light osprey]

I’m just a fella learning about phylogeny

[frigid coral]

months worth of lore wiped with the click of a button

anyway how is this dinosaur model accuracy wise, it’s meant to be utahraptor

[woeful falcon]

I mean, its fine I guess

Ones like that, it's hard to really say unless there's something obscenely wrong

[hallow spear]

Where would the appropriate place to ask questions directed to the moderation staff themselves

[light osprey]

You could make the case it’s obscenely coloured

[stuck chasm]

Please direct message our @feral crane bot to get in contact with our moderation team if you have any questions or concerns!

[frigid coral]

The colors are a lot better irl, it’s just due to the light box

It looks more grey and less blue in hand according to the people who have it atm

[pearl briar]

whatever you guys do
DO NOT. SEE THE COMMENTS
https://twitter.com/EvoIutlon/status/1675064573442002945?t=TXJArY7r3eQrswBvJ2jMQw&s=19

dammit it wont load
it's the evolution of whale

[woeful falcon]

Same vid with a more bearable comment section
https://youtu.be/8cn0kf8mhS4

[thorny stream]

Did path of titans get deinonychus wrong because I thought it was more birdlike like this

[white matrix]

A lot (too many people) of people don’t know that

[tough parcel]

I think that's a misconception, but ok

[light osprey]

Wait which one is the misconception

[woeful falcon]

That is a pencil drawing

[humble pasture]

Maybe the dino designs that we know are not the real ones.
We are just trying to know how where the dinosaurs

[jagged trellis]

( but infact they were, straight from the devs mouths), anyways deinon seems fine enough from what ive caught up on

[woeful falcon]

If the designs were never supposed to be accurate then several dinos wouldn't have gotten updates to be more accurate

[stray wren]

^

[light osprey]

Sorry that would mean you can criticise their non accurate designs, which is forbidden

[woeful falcon]

You can.

If they weren't criticised as heavily they probably wouldn't have gotten updates

[white matrix]

They are supposed to be semi accurate not fully @woeful falcon not just accuracy but just better looking models or bringing old models up to current standards

[west drum]

The models are both stylized and ‘accurate’

[woeful falcon]

They're not supposed to be anything other than the best Jiggy can do

Devs aren't going in thinking "how can I make this model almost accurate"

[jagged trellis]

they were said to be accurate for the time of release, you are never gonna get full accuracy with a pile of bones but like ignoring stuff we have raw facts on or uninspired not good ways is just no

[woeful falcon]

Also this is FredtheDinosaurman's deinonychus. Idk what makes that drawing earlier any more bird-like than PoT's. In fact, between Deinon and Laten, Deinon is arguably more bird-like

[light osprey]

They have a really nice opportunity to make Spinosaurus really unique with an update

[woeful falcon]

Oh hell yess they do

[light osprey]

Maybe even give it lips 👹

[woeful falcon]

Things they probably won't do

[light osprey]

😔

[white matrix]

Did spino have them?

[light osprey]

🤷

[white matrix]

Broski

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-know-dont-know-bird-clueless-gif-12587825

[light osprey]

It’s all personal opinion

[jagged trellis]

literally spino summed up in a nutshell

[light osprey]

personally I find them likely

[compact leaf]

at the very least their ancestors would have likely had lips, it's possible that the more derived spinosaurids would have lost them but it's also possible that they didn't

[white matrix]

Spino had a thick keratin shell

[light osprey]

Wait hold o-

[pearl briar]

anyways...
got any idea for how to tame a real life (not ARK) rex, spino, & giga?

[woeful falcon]

By giving up

[tiny holly]

yeah in reality i dont think they're animals you should tame. Not to say you couldn't, but I just don't think it'd ever be safe to. There's a reason reputable zoos avoid any hands-on contact with big cats, bears, elephants, basically any megafauna. They try and do everything with some sort of barrier between the animal and keeper. Even if you have 'tamed' the animal in the sense that the trust you and are generally calm around you, seeing you as a source of food and safety... its still a wild animal. its still unpredictable

i think you absolutely could tame the large theropods because there isnt really any animals today you cant tame. Act nice and calm around an animal and give them food and they'll basically always connect the dots. but also if like... a velociraptor has a bad day and nips you that hurts but isnt deadly. if a rex has a bad day and nips you say goodbye to life

[compact leaf]

the pittsburgh zoo is the only one that does hands on contact with elephants and it's only because the herd knows the keepers and are very comfortable with them, but in general it's a good idea to avoid direct contact with very large animals

[tiny holly]

yeah, you do have more leeway with herbivores than carnivores. The big issue with carnivores is they'll always have a prey drive and even if they just decide to toy with you a bit for a reaction this is a big animal we're talking about.

[clever sable]

What are the size estimates for the largest zhuchengtyrannus?

[woeful falcon]

There's only one Zhuchengtyrannus, and it'll depend on if it gets restored from rex or tarbo

Zhu is quite fragmentary

[light osprey]

Hm I found two skeletals

[tough parcel]

There might (might) be a vertebra leading to a “Sue”chengyrannus (Sue-sized Zhucheng), but it’s undescribed. Only on Twitter

[clever sable]

Someone needs to get on describing it smh

[light osprey]

I thought so

[thorny stream]

Nah i didnt I got it for accuracy

[tough parcel]

https://twitter.com/Dave_Hone/status/1494674436766769156?t=iIuqpdCAn3Upz-dkZ5ApzA&s=33

Dr Dave Hone (@Dave_Hone)

But a couple of those bits, and most notably this one, are huge. Here's the same photo with the scalebar duplicated and stuck across the middle of the centrum face it's it's over 25 cm. That's huge. It is, in fact, in the same ballpark as the biggest of Sue's dorsal centra.

Twitter · Feb 18, 2022, 2:05 PM

[pearl briar]

hmmm
or u could steal one of they're egg and take care of the baby like you were its mother
works with most animals

[tiny holly]

yeah but you'll run into the same problems once its an adult because its not domesticated, just imprinted. Real life examples of people attacked by the big cats they raised from a cub have shown that imprinting doesn't suddenly make a big dangerous animal safe :P

[pearl briar]

oh

[steady rock]

how accurate was the creatures of the dino dans series?

[stray wren]

They're pretty dated now, though a couple still hold up

[tiny holly]

The thing to keep in mind is that a tamed wild animal is still a wild animal. The genetics are all exactly the same so all of these hard-wired behaviours are still there. Domestication is a very lengthy process in which an animal is bred for favourable genetics, in particular more docile and safe behaviours. Even bulls which are notorious for being difficult/dangerous animals to work with are very domesticated compared to their wild counterparts and WAY more trusting of humans. There is a literal genetic difference that makes a domesticated animal safer to be around than a wild one, tamed or not. That's why imprinting a wild animal doesn't really work. I mean they'll be tame sure, but tame =/= safe and trustworthy.

[pearl briar]

i see

anyways...
is this nhmuk sized or msnm sized?

[heady thunder]

Those arms are bodybuilder sized fr

[vocal breach]

So basically the same as trying to tame an 8 ton tiger

[astral kelp]

I think the Dino Dana series have better ones

[rain root]

i hope not

[tough parcel]

It's not

Because that's not how reptile soft tissue works, the neck doesn't attach like that

[woeful falcon]

What reptile has a head covered like that

None really. And I reckon there's no indication of a mound of flesh just on its head

So no one unironically thinks it would look like that

And like what falcon said, the soft tissue work like that for reptiles

[tough parcel]

😭 Calm down bro jeezus, I mean this area because it applies to the rest (considering it's soft tissue and not keratin)

[pearl briar]

i'm sorry for not paleo related but do bulls really hate color red?

[vocal breach]

They hate the waving of the flag it’s just that red was a popular color in media for the flag

[pearl briar]

so bulls hates the movement, not the cape?

[astral kelp]

Yes

[vocal breach]

Bro needs a diet

[pearl briar]

it will looked like an abelisaur yet it's not an abelisaur

[hallow spear]

cervical plate of stegosaurus CLEARLY

[woeful hamlet]

Anyone have an up to date skeletal of Barinasuchus? I know it’s not very well known but I just need a decent one

[abstract void]

[pastel tartan]

Technically they are paleo things because animals today tell us more about animals before and they have parts of them in them

[snow pivot]

But bulls dont just like red they like the movement and i supposed red is easier to see

Or so ive heard

[woeful falcon]

Apparently they can't even see the color red

[snow pivot]

Lame ahh bulls cant even see red

[woeful falcon]

Fr

[snow pivot]

Yeah just did 1 google search bulls cant even see red they can only see yellow and blue

[woeful falcon]

Proud supporters of ukraine, cattle are

Not really paleo related but you know how one could make it? Prehistoric cattle were probably color blind too

[snow pivot]

1 more google search found that the red is to hide the blood from the abused bulls

[woeful falcon]

Which would be all of them

Anyway, paleochat am I right

[snow pivot]

Yes

Im an expert (not just an amateur who knows a lot of dinosaurs)

Google isnt giving me a solid answer so
How many dinosaurs are there actually
And pterosaurs

[woeful hamlet]

At least 3

[pastel tartan]

Could a quetzal perform a barrel roll successfully?

[heady thunder]

A lot

[woeful falcon]

Couldn't possibly know all of them. Even the ones we have, many as there are, are just a small number compared to how many there would have been across time

[pastel tartan]

There was probably millions more or atleast hundreds of thousands

[jagged trellis]

ever? we don't know simply because they are in the unknown unknown, that we know of, it was like 1.5k species last i heard ignoring the ones with us today( could be wrong)

[covert lintel]

yeah there's a lot of named species of dinosaurs, but there's many that haven't been named, even more that haven't been discovered, and countless that never even fossilized. it's easy to forget how tiny the snapshots that're preserved in the fossil record really are - birds alone probably have thousands of extinct species that'll never be known, and they're just a single odd branch of the ornithodiran family tree.

[snow pivot]

Just the fossils weve found

Fossils of different species
Google says around 700
But ik theres definitely more now

[tranquil quartz]

Theres over 1000 described dinosaurs iirc

[snow pivot]

114 out of 1000 doesnt look very good on my dino resume

i said that

How dare you not notice a tiny message that was sent over an hour ago
Shameful

2 hours ago even

[still prairie]

oh crap

[snow pivot]

Absolute chad

[clever sable]

This is the superior spined lizard

[white matrix]

The tissue is bad on that one

[clever sable]

Idc, I love it, is this better?

[light osprey]

The tissue?

[woeful falcon]

franoys's acro being hard dodged

[stiff osprey]

absolute travesty going on

[white matrix]

Scaling on mine is fine but I have too much tissue

[snow pivot]

Every sauropod is either Brachiosaurus or Diplodocus change my mind
except Dreadnoughtus and Mamenchisaurus but those dont count

[compact leaf]

you’re gonna find a lot of sauropods like that as you do this lol

[stoic tinsel]

tbf blamesons is based on franoys' isnt it?

[woeful falcon]

no idea. It's just for me when it comes to franoys, his acro is actually like, the skeletal I think of for him so it is weird to not see it there too. specially since its like, first result on google haha

[stoic tinsel]

i couldve sworn it was based on it but i could be wrong

[woeful falcon]

very well could be. but I haven't looked into Blameson's nor have I attempted to compare em

[stoic tinsel]

i like both skeletals personally

[snow pivot]

And i thought i knew about paleontology

[white matrix]

Blame doesn’t stand by his anymore, there are a lot of problems

Mine is good in terms of scaling and articulation but I want to redo the linework and posture of mine

[pearl briar]

does armadillo related to glyptodonts like doedicurus?

[honest wave]

they are in the same family, chlamyphoridae

[hallow spear]

dont use blames

[astral kelp]

not trying to be rude or anything, but whats the problem with it?

[hallow spear]

ask him, thats what he told me lol

[woeful falcon]

Sassy's Irritator is one I am very fond of as far as denounced skeletals go

Because people clung to this thing

[white matrix]

Tf is that

[astral kelp]

pelican mouth dinosaur

[woeful falcon]

Why that is an Irritator my good fellow, is it not clear?

[white matrix]

Baby legs

It's quite irritating of a dinosaur

[acoustic light]

That doesn't look right

[clever sable]

Size comparison of the largest terrestrial mammal and the largest terrestrial Carnivore

[pastel tartan]

Isnt the largest terrestrial mammal paraceratherium

[clever sable]

No, Palaeoloxodon is 22 tons

[pastel tartan]

What is the largest non sauropod dinosaur

[woeful falcon]

Shant?

[pastel tartan]

Well that was judgy lol

[clever sable]

Shant

[woeful falcon]

Oh lmao no I was saying it like "shant I think?"

It just so happened to come after quandale and looked bad

[pastel tartan]

You’re good i thaught you said it like “obviously shant dummy”

[woeful falcon]

Uh doiii it's shant? Luh mao

[pastel tartan]

wat

[woeful falcon]

Just hamming it up

[light osprey]

Are there even any good Irritator skeletals?

[woeful falcon]

Asking a lot. Liam's is probably fine currently. But Irritator isn't known from a lot and is a basal spinosaurine I think? His and Blames are the only ones I know of post-osteology paper

[light osprey]

Liam’s always seemed a bit strange but alright 🤷

[astral kelp]

this is in paleochat btw

[stray wren]

oop

[white matrix]

I can assure you that the scaling is right

[light osprey]

I’m not concerned with the scaling at all

[white matrix]

I won’t be updating it until clarification on the new caudals and material from the FMNH is out

[viscid surge]

Its pretty cool how tusks/horns have pretty much been around since vertebrates started setting up on land, and maybe before

[white matrix]

The only stuff wrong with my irritator is the tail and linework, and it’s not really that bad, it’s still useable

Why do you post the same thing in every major paleo game server😭

[pearl briar]

asking
...
🙃

ded

[woeful falcon]

There ain't a lot of irritator skeletals out there in the wild

[light osprey]

Time to make some more then smh

[pearl briar]

what is amarga most up-to-date length & weight btw...

[white matrix]

I am waiting for more info on the new caudals bc that could be huge

[snow pivot]

Maximum i think is around 43 feet and like 6,000 pounds 3 Tons

Also what team are you on for amarga
Skin,web or spike

[iron halo]

Isn’t there a general consensus that the spikes were covered by skin

[frigid coral]

skin

[noble ridge]

Would you consider a camptosaur a big dinosaur?

[frigid coral]

I mean
by dinosaur standards no

[stiff osprey]

If we add up all known dinosaur species and made an average size, Campto would be larger than average, aka a big dinosaur.
But if we exclude birds, the average non-avian dinosaur is bigger than Camptosaurus, so Campto is a small dinosaur

[stray wren]

Even then upper estimates put it at like, 2tons

[stiff osprey]

that's another question, should we be using average campto, or the largest campto? because the 2t one is a freak, no other Camptosaurus specimen even comes close

[frigid coral]

average campto, people overuse largest specimens a lot in convos about the average

[clever sable]

So uh, what's the mass of the largest torvo specimen we have? I can't really find anything on it

[next moss]

5.2t (edmarka)

[heady thunder]

So tarbosaurus size?

[magic monolith]

wtf

[pearl briar]

any possibilites for a trike vs anky?

[magic monolith]

are you asking for the winner? or what

[modest meteor]

Pretty sure they're asking the chances of them fighting/competing with each other

[coral ledge]

Oeh cool, didnt know that

[cloud dagger]

Herbis don’t usually fight with other herbis. Sure they can be territorial or protect babies but they try to just chase other animals away. Can’t see why dinos would be any different from today’s living animals on this matter

[eager skiff]

Tarbo is a little bigger

[umbral jacinth]

Are birds reptiles

[pearl briar]

yes

u can't make a reptile family tree which has lizards & crocs without including birbs

birbs r archosaurian reptiles like dinos, hence there's the "Birds are Dinosaurs" thing

ehh but however for the layman & whatnot uhh...
prob best to distinguish em

@umbral jacinth

[tiny holly]

The way I'd look at it is that in most scientific contexts birds being reptiles is important. Evolutionary biology, cladistics etc. However if you're a herpetologist or ornithologist lumping them together is just going to be detrimental because of how different birds are now.

[tranquil quartz]

All birds are dinosaurs and since all dinosaurs are reptiles, this makes birds reptiles.

[heady thunder]

Really? I thought tarbo was around 5 tons

[chilly knot]

5.3t

[umbral jacinth]

Can you provide evidence because I try to tell these people and they refuse and say I refuse to be wrong

Because when I prove all the evidence like the uric acid, and keratin stuff it isn’t enough

[chilly knot]

Just grab the most random recent phylogenetic theropod tree from a paper, they'll always include birds

[tranquil quartz]

I mean I swear wikipedia actually tells you birds are dinosaurs/hence reptiles. Surprisingly good for Wikipedia

[umbral jacinth]

Not enough proof and I provided this paragraph from Reddit explaining how everything that descended from something, are considered reptiles but that’s not enough proof

[tranquil quartz]

@umbral jacinth

[tiny holly]

Basically crocodiles and birds are both archosaurs. They're more closely related to each other than to any other reptile. So if you say birds aren't* (typo) reptiles, that would also have to mean crocodiles arent reptiles. To claim they still are when birds aren't would make the group paraphyletic

[viscid surge]

If birds are reptiles crocs aren’t? Is this what you’re saying? I don’t understand all that much of this lol ah I thought it was a typo

[tiny holly]

If you're talking to people who refuse to agree or believe you despite all that I don't think they're worth debating with. Some people can get very stubborn and refuse to have their minds changed, in particular when it comes to cladistics

[tranquil quartz]

No birds and crocodiles are both archosaurs, hence they r both reptiles.

[chilly knot]

You could also simply show them an image of microraptor and it's fossil, that convinced my friend at least

[viscid surge]

So why isn’t everything considered a fish? Is it just because our last common ancestor was too far down the tree to really care about that? (Forgive my stupidity here)

[tranquil quartz]

Even Archaeopteryx, its fossils show both reptile and bird like traits.

[tranquil quartz]

Also I mean if you go far enough down the evolution tree they will branch off, everything is related just have to go millions of years back down the evo tree to see it

[tiny holly]

We are actually lol. That being said "fish" is weird because the different groups of "fish" today share common ancestors that most people wouldn't look at and go yeah that's a fish. Early fish looked weird.

But yes, cladistically we're fish, and that is an important thing to keep in mind! Literally everything about our anatomy we owe to being fish

[umbral jacinth]

So they’re related by respiratory system?

[tiny holly]

Not sure what respiratory system has to do with it? They're related by everything that they are basically

[umbral jacinth]

Also is uric acid only present in reptiles

[umbral jacinth]

Oh then idk what their claim was because they said that

[tiny holly]

Not as fair as I know, its just a general waste product in vertebrates as a whole (and maybe other life? idk?)

[tiny holly]

Dunno what they're on about. Crocodilians and birds are related simply because they share a common ancestor. This makes birds reptiles, because crocodiles are reptiles. That's the simplest way of putting it

[umbral jacinth]

Also not to mention don’t birds have scales, and they kept saying they have mammal characteristics which I don’t think birds do

[tiny holly]

Birds do indeed have scales, if you've ever looked at a bird's foot, that's scales. The only big thing I can think of that birds share with mammals is being warm-blooded (endothermic) but its convergent and isnt even unique to either group. Fun fact, some fish are bordering on endothermy

At a certain point you gotta cut your losses in a debate, some people just aren't worth trying with

[umbral jacinth]

We’re there dinosaurs warm blooded

[tranquil quartz]

Probably a mixture of cold and warm

[umbral jacinth]

Yea I end up those debates but supposedly they’re gonna ask a biology professor so I want to see what the professor says

[tiny holly]

While we aren't 100% sure it seems highly likely that numerous non-avian dinosaur groups were. Dinosaurs as a whole were a really big and diverse group so they would have ranged from pretty typical lizard-like ectothermy to active bird-like endothermy

[umbral jacinth]

Where do you learn stuff and what are some sources I can use to learn more paleontology info

[tiny holly]

I wish I could give a single source but a lot of it is just osmosis from over time lmao, I really wouldnt be able to remember where i learnt most of it. There's educational youtubers and blogs out there that are good, and engaging in conversations like these helps you find sources as well

[tranquil quartz]

There’s also really good paleo books out there, an example being Jurassic West. They help me learn a lot.

[umbral jacinth]

I only really know raptor chatter as a educational YouTuber so far from what I discovered, that’s where I also snagged some information, I also use Reddit time to time but that’s not a good resource according to people I debate with

[tranquil quartz]

Some good paleo channels are: PBS Eons, Ben G Thomas, Red Raptor Writes and Edge Science.Just don’t use Dinofax he tends to dish out inaccurate slop.

[sage cave]

Ain’t no way

[tiny holly]

I mean that shouldn't be surprising, of course things in water can get bigger than things on land. Gravity is a bastard

[pearl briar]

yes

[tiny holly]

fat fish 👍

[stray wren]

If it was a normal fish it'd weigh less cause swim bladder. But sharks are freaks

[pearl briar]

iirc the largest sauropod argentino only weighs 81-84 tonnes

[heady thunder]

Wasnt argent like 90?

[tiny holly]

Recent research and estimates have shown it got very, very large

[pearl briar]

@white matrix

[stray wren]

Aquatic animals are genuinely always going to be the biggest things to exist, unless we find life in the vacuum of space or on a low gravity planet

[tiny holly]

Its pretty easy to understand why if you've ever gone swimming for a while, then felt really weighed down once you leave the water

[heady thunder]

The shark was big

[stray wren]

Once I fell asleep in a pool and actually couldn't walk until I readjusted

[pearl briar]

meg is more like the grandpa shark...

[heady thunder]

A whale shark

[pearl briar]

maybe a basking???
i used whale as the daddy

[modest meteor]

Reject humanity return to fish

[astral kelp]

Me when a bull sperm whale is bigger than livyatan:

[heady thunder]

A pile of teeth underground

[pearl briar]

maybe otodus chubutensis

[heady thunder]

Thats still smaller then a basking shark iirc

[pearl briar]

maybe grandma was a helicoprion (?)

i hope u understand usa imperial unit

[stray wren]

Helicoprion is an early shark iirc. However, sharks as we know them have been around since before Saturn had rings so

Clades that old are really hard to get a good picture of past a couple million years

[pearl briar]

bite force?

i don't understand psi
i need ppl to convert it to newton

[stray wren]

I'm not sure about specifics, but ceratopsians in general had immense bite forces.

[pearl briar]

what do u expect from dinoraul design?

[tiny holly]

That doesn't surprise me whatsoever, a lot of herbivores have a much stronger bite than what people think to help process tough material

[heady thunder]

Its about 1000 kilopascal if that makes sense

[pearl briar]

who?
the trike or the cera?

[heady thunder]

The trike

[stray wren]

It helps that the first ceratopsians were primarily biters, and it was a trait they kept throughout their evolution. The horns were good weapons as well, but I personally think they'd do more biting if possible. That parrot beak combined with their bite force would make short work of a Tyrannosaur's calf muscle

[heady thunder]

Could it even open the mouth that wide?

[stray wren]

Oh yes

It also depends on the oral tissue you give ceratopsians. Without cheeks they'd be able to fit more inside that beak

Just imagine a rex losing its footing while combating a Triceratops then just getting mauled

[tough parcel]

Why would they do more biting, that brings the predator in even closer range than the horns would 😭

The only (only) animals I would see biting are the hornless ones (Protoceratops) or ones with maybe useless horns (Avaceratops)

[stray wren]

Cause I said so (this is a joke)

[pearl briar]

udanoceratops moment

[heady thunder]

You see, you gotta go bite the trex in the legs so it bites you on the neck to trade

[ancient crystal]

Last I knew helicoprion was not a shark but a chimaera, a close relative to sharks but more closely related to ratfish and ghost sharks.

That might have changed though.

[woeful falcon]

Not a chimaera either, but chimaera are its closest living relatives

[astral kelp]

This is a good book

[heady thunder]

Cant wait for these guys to revive

[light osprey]

Is this the average size?

[heady thunder]

Since the biggest whale sharks are like 18m long Id say thats average

[light osprey]

Lovely

[tiny holly]

Female and male whale sharks have drastically different size ranges iirc which doesnt really help either

[compact leaf]

yeah females average a few meters longer than males, males still average 9m and can get bigger than that though

[coral ledge]

found a Whooly Rhino moler on our local beach

[remote cairn]

yoooooooooo

[astral kelp]

https://youtube.com/shorts/srxWXqIJy5M?feature=share

Ravens got to be my favourite bird they’re actually so smart and beautiful I love ‘em,

[pastel tartan]

Are pterosaurs more related to dinosaurs than crocodilians

[sudden wind]

There is a skeletal.

Oh wait what why is this message 2 months old lmao, thought it was recent. Sorry Scan.

[sudden wind]

Another fun fact is that those scaled are reverted feathers.

[light osprey]

They are both within the group Ornithodira. Them being Dinosauromorpha and Pterosauromorpha

[covert lintel]

yep, dinosaurs and pterosaurs are quite close!

[sage cave]

Anyone have a closed cerato skull? I’m sculpting one rn and can only find open mouf

Ping me if u respond pls

[wintry timber]

Yoop am I allowed to post a Twitter link here?

[sacred girder]

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[wintry timber]

Crap sorry boss man. Won't happen again. (Auto correction. Really sorry)

[frigid coral]

pretty sure it’s jaw would break like that

[heady thunder]

10.4 tons max, idk the average, theres like two specimens I guess

[white matrix]

24 ft

173 pounds

[heady thunder]

Hey thats what that Dan guy said in his blog, so it is what it is.
Tho it was a dentary estimate and idk how they work.

Eh put it at 8-10 tons and it should be fine.

Maybe 7-10 cos I feel like they were skinnier then the average trexes.

[clever sable]

The dentary specimen is 10.4 the holotype is like 8.8 I think

[chilly knot]

The dentary specimen is cringe

[heady thunder]

Whats the dentary specimen? A jaw or just teeth?

[tough parcel]

Tip of the lower jaw

[heady thunder]

What do mean by the tip, like just 2 inches of bone?

[chilly knot]

The front half of the mandible basically

[heady thunder]

Well thats not a tip, thats half of the jaw

[vocal breach]

Bro could just have a big mouth

[heady thunder]

Imagine bro just had like a bobble head

[stiff osprey]

It wouldn't even be a bobblehead, larger variation exists between the dentaries of different T.rex specimens

[heady thunder]

Wheres the 14t dentary rex at?

[astral kelp]

idk why its upside down

[compact leaf]

20+ ton sauropod dentary estimates

[heady thunder]

What does the black bar represent?

[astral kelp]

scale bar.

[heady thunder]

Yeah but whats scale is it, inch, cm, a mile lol

[astral kelp]

not sure tbh I just searched up "giganotosaurus dentary specimen" should be in the description paper though

[heady thunder]

Wheres the based grey human to compare it to when you need him lol

[light osprey]

Skinnier, but maybe longer on average 🤷

[heady thunder]

Depends by how longer.

[pearl briar]

https://www.thecodontia.com/blog/the-largest-theropod-dinosaur-known-to-science

12.7-13.5 meters long & 8.8-10.4 tons atm
@white matrix i hope this helps

[woeful falcon]

Those are the only two giga specimens too, something to consider

[astral kelp]

sadly

[light osprey]

Maybe we got lucky and found a really heavy one

[jagged trellis]

watch it be a dwarf giga and the 70% larger rex idea just to create even more fusses

[white matrix]

Maybe the gigas we found are embryos, who knows

[pearl briar]

vine boom

[light osprey]

I know

[pearl briar]

we have one trollface

[umbral jacinth]

Would y’all say prehistoric the documentary show is a good source of information

[woeful falcon]

Prehistoric Planet?

[umbral jacinth]

No it’s called prehistoric it’s on discovery channel

[astral kelp]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1785085/

[tough parcel]

Oh I remember that. It suffers from the fact paleontology moves fairly fast, so no. I would say it is not a good source of information 100% of the time

[umbral jacinth]

What are some good documentary then

[astral kelp]

prehistoric planet.

[tough parcel]

It's ok

There is no "good" documentary they all suffer from inaccuracies

[woeful falcon]

2009, pretty dated

Is it just Dinosaur Planet but redone or something

[umbral jacinth]

Woah then what’s a good once with good information?

[astral kelp]

prehistoric planet

[tough parcel]

Even PP is iffy on information depending on the scene (and anatomy)

Also to this, it's very different from Dinosaur Planet. I enjoyed it as a kid

[umbral jacinth]

I already seen it and I don’t have Apple TV right now to rewatch

[stuck chasm]

@astral kelp Please do not discuss illegal activities in this server, we tolerate zero participation of illegal activities on this Discord. Refer to our #rules.

[astral kelp]

mb.

[prime mantle]

Hello everyone

[pearl briar]

like the rex?

[woeful falcon]

Just went on youtube to look at clips and man

They made quick use of the Dinosaur Planet cover to make it not look awful

[light osprey]

How many scenes are really a detriment to themselves?

[tough parcel]

Dreadnoughtus looks way too chubby

But otherwise, no anatomical things hinder the scene themselves Ig

[light osprey]

You can’t fault the show because you think it looks chubby, that’s not a real criticism of anything

[woeful falcon]

Prehistoric Planet is probably the best, but if you're watching the docs aiming for information, you're not aiming in the right place. They're there for entertainment as much as education

If not more.

It'll become outdated in time

In fact it already is in some cases. But as time goes on it'll become more outdated

[pearl briar]

DON'T U EVER SAID THAT TO MY PRECIOUS BOY EVER AGAIN 😡

[tough parcel]

No, it really is too chubby. It's literally 99% lard and you can check it against the skeletal used (Hartman's iirc)

[light osprey]

But on the topic of prehistoric planet inaccuracies, seems like the surrangular bone on tyrannosaurus is shaped wrong, Mononykus didn’t have that tongue, and the mosasaur skull shape is a bit off. Anything else is just new information apparent after the release of the show

[pastel tartan]

How do i get to the paper on trex being a ambush predator

[woeful falcon]

I treat PhP in the same way I've always treated likeminded paleo docs since WWD, a window into a hypothetical look at dinosaur lives and behaviors

I can't point to any specific paper but I can point to most predatory animals in existence for ambush

[light osprey]

Anatomy will never be perfect when it’s left to creatives not directly involved with the field, it’s impressive in and of itself that the show managed to get as much right as it could given the information they possessed at the time

[pastel tartan]

Is there a paper on allosaurus “jumping” on sauropods

[woeful falcon]

I'm not aware of any.

[ancient crystal]

I hope not

[frigid coral]

would be too heavy and/or break every bone in the process

[pastel tartan]

I heard there was one and one of the reasons they thaught it might’ve was because of ligament placement and stuff

[rose thorn]

Anything over a ton isn’t jumping

[frigid coral]

plus you have to consider how tall these creatures are, there is no way an Allosaurus is going to be jumping high enough to reach any sauropods

[pastel tartan]

Well im talking like lions and elephants where they latch on for a sec bite fall off

[rose thorn]

It can’t jump, so no

[pastel tartan]

Weight isnt the only factor if smth can jump or not

[frigid coral]

first off I haven’t heard of lions jumping on adult elephants, secondly no, it’s still too heavy. Unless it wants to suffer a several meter drop and break half its bones that is

[pastel tartan]

Lions jump like on the lower parts bite fall off im not talking about on top or even high up

[frigid coral]

Maybe it could make small jumps, but it will never be jumping onto sauropods, at least not adult ones anytime soon

lions also don’t normally hunt elephants so I’m confused as to what you mean

[woeful falcon]

An allosaurus can't jump like, at all

[pastel tartan]

Why not

[frigid coral]

Usually they nip the legs or go for the flank when they do, which is only because they are small enough to do so, and built for jumping

we literally just explained why

[pastel tartan]

Sheesh have you not heard of asking for multiple opinions

[light osprey]

As an Allosaurus who died in the Morrison I can confirm I can’t jump.

[frigid coral]

what does this have to do with multiple opinions, you asked why not, but you just got an explanation from almost everyone in the chat, you never asked anyone directly

[woeful falcon]

For similar reasons Tyrannosaurus can't run

If it somehow has the leg strength to do so, its probably breaking its legs on the way down

[rose thorn]

The heaviest animals that can jump are large bovids (eland, bison, gaur), once you go beyond that point, it becomes incredibly improbable/dangerous for any creature that size to have all its limbs off the ground in any motion, especially if there’s any speed behind that movement

[noble ridge]

Didn’t allosaurus just charge at prey and use its head like an axe?

[pastel tartan]

No it would break its jaw iirc

[rose thorn]

No, it would have broken its teeth/jaw that way

[noble ridge]

Ok, couldn’t it open its mouth really wide?

[pastel tartan]

Not that i know of

[rose thorn]

Yes, many theropods exhibit a large gape in their mouths

[light osprey]

Whether or not it can open its jaw wide doesn’t change the outcome of slamming your face into a femur etc

[frigid coral]

further, these sauropods were pretty bloody tall, being sauropods. If the Allosaurus were to possibly be able to jump more than some inches, it would suffer a huge fall, which it likely wasn’t built for

not to bring a old topic back, was typing this and didn’t get a chance to send

[pastel tartan]

Mk

[compact leaf]

a lot of the sauropods in php suffer from lardification and some posture issues in places (be careful using hartmans sauropod skeletals though there are a few with missing vertebrae)

[woeful falcon]

Bubblewrapped

[noble ridge]

It’s not like the allo would shatter all of its bones and disintegrate if it did

[pastel tartan]

A broken jaw means you cant hunt you cant hunt you starve you starve you die

[frigid coral]

it wouldn’t disintegrate, but it would definitely shatter major bones. It is heavy, these sauropods are tall, combine that with something not built to jump, and you are screwed

[woeful falcon]

This is a multi-ton animal falling from a great height

That allo is gonna be feeling it in the morning

[noble ridge]

Just a little boo-boo

[pastel tartan]

Thaught he was talkin bout axe thing still (but yea breaking a leg is worse than breaking a jaw imo)

[frigid coral]

with a mothers kiss it’ll all be fixed

[noble ridge]

Like they couldn’t be that delicate right?

[woeful falcon]

Its not that they're delicate, its that they're really really heavy

[rose thorn]

Slight tumbles would ofc be fine, but falling from a considerable height as anything beyond..3 tons is going to hurt

[noble ridge]

True true

[rose thorn]

Rhinos are about the heaviest thing I can think of that I’ve seen be rolled over/fall in confrontations and they still get up fine

That said, they aren’t really from a height larger than the animal is tall

[woeful falcon]

There isn't a terrestrial carnivore alive today as heavy as this animal

In fact, I think most terrestrial animals alive today aren't, generally speaking

[pastel tartan]

Mk

[frigid coral]

this is diplodocus, and this is allosaurus

if that dude jumps onto the torso, falls, it is breaking at least some ribs

this is considering we aren’t counting the synonymous species with diplodocus which get even larger. This is just D. carnegii, one of the smaller sauropods in the formation

was referring to the other dude lol

[pastel tartan]

Ok i get it

[pearl briar]

wait so rex couldn't jump???

[woeful falcon]

Rex couldn't even run

[pastel tartan]

Btw why couldn’t it run exactly

[pearl briar]

then why he got the 21-27 km/h speed?

[pastel tartan]

Its 13-17

[compact leaf]

if it had both feet off the ground at the same time it would buckle under the weight when one foot landed, it could still sort of jog it just needed to have one foot on the ground

[light osprey]

Just wanna make sure, this is the proper neutral neck posture right?

[pastel tartan]

Idk what buckle means

[pearl briar]

huh???
https://twitter.com/Syn_JFD/status/1673884383760068610

Ben (@Syn_JFD)

Going at just over 21km/h, the top speed a rex of this size can acheive. Massively edited the old @JFD_001 Tyrannosaurus model, now using Sue as the basis for the edits resulting in a model with a mass of almost 13 tonnes, lighter than I thought it'd turn out which is nice.

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Twitter · Jun 28, 2023, 2:41 AM

[compact leaf]

it would fall down

[woeful falcon]

The same exact reason allosaurus can't jump, it is really heavy

And by having a really fast walk and being very large with long legs

[noble ridge]

How would the trex catch up to prey then? Would it be considered an ambush predator in that case?

[frigid coral]

I think so, the skeletal is slightly old though, so it might not be following the diplo paper that came out

[pastel tartan]

This is from twitter

[compact leaf]

maybe an ooch lower in neutral posture but this is possible yeah

[tough parcel]

Rex is the fastest animal in its environment throughout its life stages, it’s prey as an adult is not built for running in the slightest except maybe Edmontosaurus

[light osprey]

And what about lithostrotian posture?

[pastel tartan]

It had padding in a way on its feet so it wouldnt make noise and ambush stuff

[pearl briar]

ok?

[woeful falcon]

It helps that Tyrannosaurus's prey is also really big and not speedsters

[noble ridge]

That’s freaky

[tough parcel]

No, it was still loud, but the shape of the feet enabled it for “sonic camouflage”

[pastel tartan]

Twitter is possibly worse than google

[pastel tartan]

What is sonic camouflage

[woeful falcon]

Its not that its twitter. Its about the person who is posting on twitter.

Paleontologists post on twitter you know

[frigid coral]

The said person is well informed if not an expert in said field (afaik)

Please correct me if I’m wrong though, I just see them cited a lot

[tough parcel]

https://www.mna.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/125214/1/2018-blanco-et-al-2018-jtb.pdf

Was waiting for the timer

[pastel tartan]

Alr

[woeful falcon]

I assume Ben was using the same formula Larramendi used, considering the speed estimates are about the same

[compact leaf]

more on the neck thing but people saw a bit of an increase in how vertical diplodocoids are and really ran with it, they were still more horizontal than basically everything else they just weren't perfectly straight out (cartilage can also do some seriously messed up stuff but we don't know how much they had)

[pearl briar]

falcon i hope this is NOT a virus

[tough parcel]

I hate this slow-mode

But they’re just as qualified as the rest of us in terms of estimates and stuff. It’s just that they get behind the scenes stupid stuff because muh private discord

[frigid coral]

ah alr, thank you for the clarification!

[woeful falcon]

Falcon mad bc not invited to the party

[light osprey]

🤨

[frigid coral]

justice for gualicho

[compact leaf]

lithostrotian the coral?

[pearl briar]

i think i found @tough parcel

[frigid coral]

Jesus that’s a big neck

[pearl briar]

lived 100.5-66 million years ago that's crazy man imagine lived 34.5 million years for ur entire life

[pastel tartan]

i dont like your joke

[frigid coral]

bros honest

[woeful falcon]

What's this supposed to be, not an albertosaur right?

[pearl briar]

imma go cry abt it

[pastel tartan]

Please dont its a waste of time

[frigid coral]

Neovenatoridae

[pastel tartan]

Imagine being picked for mating based on neck size or color

[light osprey]

Yes 😐

[pearl briar]

😐👍

[compact leaf]

standard rugose coral posture 🫡

[light osprey]

Ok but actually, the titanosaur 🤨

[frigid coral]

Is this classification still accurate? Asking cause Wikipedia is sometimes behind

mainly cause I wanna use a Saichania thing as a placeholder for pinaco

[vocal breach]

Just got the BOTM Yuty and psittacosaurus, how accurate are they?

[pastel tartan]

Is ankylosaurinae a fancy way of saying ankylosaur

[frigid coral]

well sort of yeah

[compact leaf]

it's not one specific titanosaur it's actually a clade that contains most of them, going from that it varies some between families and tribes but the safest bet is less vertical than brachiosaurids but more vertical than diplodocoids

[light osprey]

Yes yes I didn’t mean to put Titanosaur singular

[compact leaf]

like I said earlier cartilage can do a lot of weird things to sauropod posture so that might be subject to change, with dicraeosaurids and brachiosaurids we can tell their posture with more certainty than other sauropods just because the way they're put together doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room on posture

[pastel tartan]

How do sauropods walk if they weigh so much

[light osprey]

With their legs

[compact leaf]

without going into a lot of biomechanics they're basically built for it. really muscular and their weight was a lot more spaced out than a mammal of similar size would be

[pastel tartan]

Could smth say 3tons jump if it was made for it

Is that a no

[jagged trellis]

rhinos can jump, but its like 2 inches so eh, p sure the limit for being able to get off the ground in a way thats valid is like 4 tons and for a actually sizeable jump is like 1. something tons for a animal

[pastel tartan]

But what if its made specifically to jump

[frigid coral]

I mean it’s a bit of a weird question
Something 3 tons isn’t gonna be made for jumping

I guess it’s possible, lots of things can jump, but just very small jumps as kplp said. You can’t be that heavy and also be made to jump, or at least it has not been displayed in any known animal

[jagged trellis]

excellent question

[frigid coral]

everything built to jump is also usually light, so it’s hard to answer

it’d require extreme leg muscles if we are talking bipedal

[pastel tartan]

Here’s another question could utah raptor jump high

[jagged trellis]

i mean its within the weight zone and a fairly built animal so probably, wouldn't bet on it scaling buildings but it'd be weird if it couldn't do a decently sized jump

[pastel tartan]

So was utah jumping on bigger stuff

It was a sauropod you said

[jagged trellis]

i mean yeah, any animal will try that if it has the room for it, now as the main method? we don't know and i'm not well versed enough in this subject to say beyond some of the stuff it could jump on were built to just say no to that

[frigid coral]

Use the search bar oh wait

[clever sable]

What's the name of that giant Permian salamander that weighed like 350 KG and lived like a croc?

[pastel tartan]

Ima just take a random guess and say koolasuchus

[woeful falcon]

Prionosuchus?

[clever sable]

Nah, that's far too recent

[vocal breach]

How accurate is this Yuty?

[clever sable]

No, it's the one that has a flat head

[pastel tartan]

Neck and head looks lil big i think

[stiff osprey]

Mastodonsaurus?
It was way bigger than that, though

[clever sable]

Maybe

[vocal breach]

Besides that is it good?

[pastel tartan]

Too skinny i think not round enough belly

[vocal breach]

Hm

[clever sable]

Was that Permian?

[pastel tartan]

Is it Anaschisma

[noble ridge]

Do you think utahraptors were pack animals?

[clever sable]

No

[stiff osprey]

Perhaps

[pastel tartan]

Its possible they hunted together occasionally

[clever sable]

No, that's Triassic

I'm gonna go mentally insane before I find the name of this thing

[woeful falcon]

I have to be frank, idk if it being flat headed is gonna narrow it down too much haha

Any dimensions, like length maybe

[clever sable]

It's like 300 kilos i think?

[light osprey]

How do you know it’s mass but not the name? Lol

[clever sable]

I forgot it's name because Permian creatures have weird names

[woeful falcon]

Are we sure it was permian

[stiff osprey]

of all things the Permian is known for its labyrinthodonts really aren't one tbh

[clever sable]

99% sure, I think it may have been in a WWM episode but I could be wrong

[stiff osprey]

WWM had an indeterminate labyrinthodont in the Inostrancevia episode

[clever sable]

So we don't know it's name, that makes sense why I can't find it's name

Oop, found it, it's Rhinesuchus

I think I may be confusing it's mass with something else though

[pastel tartan]

Im looking through diplocaulidae tryna find this thing lol

[clever sable]

I love this guy

[stiff osprey]

Inostrancevia itself weighs around that much
Though not the WWM version, given it's twice the size of the actual animal

[pastel tartan]

Whats it’s family

[clever sable]

Rhinesuchidae, it was rhinesuchus

[pastel tartan]

Breh

[pastel tartan]

He don’t look very scary

[pastel tartan]

He does look very scary

[clever sable]

Get size chart'd

[pastel tartan]

Me confuse

[thorny stream]

Is there any actual paleontologist in this server?

[pastel tartan]

Probably

[pearl briar]

i think they likely didn't have enough intellegence to form a social hirearchy system like wolves
afaik the closest thing that we can get to pack dinos like utah & others is a giant mob trying to go on a feeding frenzy

but i could be wrong so...
take it with a grain of salt

[cloud dagger]

Wolf pack consist of two parents and their offspring and it isn’t about dominance. The kids always stay loyal to their parents without enforcing it. Anyway I don’t think any carnivorous adult dino formed a ”true” pack, maybe a breeding pair could do some coordinated hunting together but not with the kids

[snow python]

What are the latest estimations for Tyrannotitan and Mapu?

[honest wave]

Threw this together in google drawings while immensely sleep deprived. If there's anything horrendously wrong please let me know.

Also I just came up with tyrannosaurini since I didn't have a narrower classification for putting tyrannosaurus, tarbosaurus, and zuchengtyrannus together outside of daspletosaurini. I have no clue if that's the correct terminology so please correct me with a ping.

Also I'm not fixing megaraptora

[split junco]

What a joyous and whimsical creature

[heady thunder]

Ugly AF

[split junco]

: (

[heady thunder]

What type of animal is it?

[split junco]

It’s the Tully monster or Tullimostrum

[elfin pulsar]

That thing actually existed?

[heady thunder]

Yeah yeah cool name, what type of animal is it?

[split junco]

Lived 300 million years ago and I think it’s a type of early fish

[heady thunder]

Rex.

[elfin pulsar]

Also rex, rex is like everything, it’s all rex

[split junco]

Majungasaurus

[heady thunder]

Basic? Idk allo

[elfin pulsar]

Rex is the mario of dinosaurs

[heady thunder]

Or the Goku of dinosaurs

[elfin pulsar]

Marios more famous so ill go with mario

@white matrix he said majunga was based tho

[heady thunder]

More famous?
Id say they are tied.

[elfin pulsar]

Damn

[honest wave]

Don't get too excited, I basically Frankenstein'd it together from various contradicting phylogenies. If I could get some constructive criticism I would greatly appreciate it.

[raven hatch]

Can someone help me quest? Gondwa?

[honest wave]

sir this is the palaeontology channel

[raven hatch]

What’s that?😬

[honest wave]

science :/

plants, fungi, and various single-celled lads as well

[raven hatch]

Oh….

[honest wave]

tbh i barely understand anything outside of coelurosauria

for some reason lots of kids and new people come to this channel specifically as a substitute for general chat, no clue why

[sage cave]

Prob bc it’s the only chat that actually says “chat”

[honest wave]

yeah idk whats up with that

[raven hatch]

Sorry?

[sage cave]

Nah it’s ok! The general chat is #path-of-titans

[honest wave]

no need to apologize lol

[raven hatch]

So im guessing that’s a no loll

[sage cave]

If you wanna find a group you can ask in #looking-for-group

[sudden wind]

Eryops? Though it was much more terrestrial than crocs are.

[pearl briar]

are penguins is "Snow Dinosaur"?

[elfin pulsar]

Ig they are yeah

[orchid bison]

Hello

[astral kelp]

Where is a good saurolophus skeletal?

[pearl briar]

idk anymore
poops 2 skeletal that both by fadeno

[woeful falcon]

[pearl briar]

obese emoji (what am i saying???)

[woeful falcon]

No neck emoji

[tough parcel]

Lmao, it is a remake. I wanted to do a more faithful representation of her + lineless

[pearl briar]

oh...
nice remake falcon, 💯/10

[heady thunder]

Reference model remodel

[pearl briar]

if i may be honest she got fatter & chubbier

[tough parcel]

Eh, that's just what happens when you go realistic. Not everyone's a super model

[pearl briar]

classic diplocaulus
mega W asf

[white matrix]

I want diplocaulus in pot

[pearl briar]

what
where did u get these bullcrap???

[pearl briar]

fair enough
so...

[jagged trellis]

not by a long shot, anyways oooh a diplo

[pearl briar]

what kind of diplo?
diplo in diplodocus or diplo in diplocaulus? /j

[jagged trellis]

diplo clearly, not diplo but diplo

[pearl briar]

yeah i don't understand allat 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥 /j

[white matrix]

If metri was accurate would it be alio sized or bigger

[soft moss]

Who would win? Mammoth versus nanuqtyrannus

[tough parcel]

Me

[white matrix]

Mammoth

[white matrix]

[sudden wind]

It's normal they are different cause they are different species.

S.osborni is from Canada, while S.angustirostris is from Mongolia. They also have some notable morphological differences.

[quaint isle]

I need an explanation for why Alioramus is so tall.

[white matrix]

What’s wrong with it?

[quaint isle]

It's a smaller tyrannosaur, yet it's taller than Ceratosaurus

[cinder jewel]

Short answer: it shouldn't be.

[heady thunder]

Its like Quanzhi size but a bit taller

[nocturne cairn]

its a smaller tyrannosaur but it's still at least cera size, just different proportions. Its actual adult size isn't known bc iirc the material for it is from juveniles so adult sizes are based on qianzhousaurus. Either way it's just tall since it has long legs

[light osprey]

It would be the size of the actual Allosaurus, around 8 metres I think.

[sage cave]

Boy why you so leg

[quaint isle]

It's taller than Quanzhousaurus?!

[half compass]

Wanted to confirm quick, troodontids or however it's spelt are invalid right?

[heady thunder]

Idk

[tough parcel]

Only Troodon and Latenivenatrix, not troodontids as a whole

[light osprey]

The in game model is.

[astral kelp]

does anyone have alpha8's mapusaurus skeletal?

[white matrix]

So technically laten is the most inaccurate part of this game

[heady thunder]

Only in name.

[white matrix]

[light osprey]

And size, but that goes without saying

[white matrix]

What’s the biggest troodontid

[light osprey]

That undescribed one in Alaska

[covert lintel]

i really hope that thing gets described at some point tbh

[snow python]

How big was Barsboldia after all?

[quaint isle]

So Stenonychus is valid, but not Troodon? This is crazy...

[light osprey]

Stenonychosaurus has vastly more material originally assigned to it