paleontology

[frigid coral]

display, there’s a good chance horns in earlier ceratopsians weren’t for combat

[weak osprey]

Also worth noting that even though its pointed end isn't facing up, it could still be used for defense, better to use the blunt side of the horn than to just not have it at all.

[clever sable]

💀💀💀💀

[steady rock]

I think they got deinosuchus and spino mixed up, max deino could get close to 20 tons, correct?

[clever sable]

Nah, 12-13

[scenic flame]

far from it

[clever sable]

According to the updated fandeno estimate, previously he had it at 14-15 tons for the absolute largest but since downsized it to like 12

[steady rock]

Damn, why is trex the only apex to always get positive estimates 💀, like, everything good goes to this creature, if it wasn't nuked in just 3 millions, it probably would've been one of the most successful large land predator to ever exist

[ancient crystal]

And I know the exact source they cite to support 20 ton spino as I got in this exact same argument the other day with someone lol

[steady rock]

Wait. Was trex around 69 million years ago or even later then that

[clever sable]

How do people still think these things

[ancient crystal]

Britannica, thats how

[sage cave]

[ancient crystal]

That screenshot reminds me of the server I play on which recently redid its size classifications funnily enough and also requires alderon IDs in the server name

[winter cloud]

Top is a komodo dragon the rest are megalania proportions crazy to believe this lived like what 40,000 years ago wonder what made them go extinct

[ancient crystal]

Humans most likely

[sage cave]

Or lack of resources bc of how big they r

That could’ve been caused by humans actually tbh

[winter cloud]

Yea but we're humans not as expansive back then so it would've been harder to hunt them to extinction

[sage cave]

No I mean we came in and took up the things that they needed, prey items and stuff

[winter cloud]

But weren't there way less of us back then so wouldn't it have been harder to take that much resources to drive an animal to extinction

[steady rock]

Would any prehestoric marine reptile explode if beached like whales do?

[sage cave]

I’m not saying that’s absolutely what happened, I’m saying it could’ve been one if the reasons out of many

[winter cloud]

Actually didn't the ice age happen which was just 1 of many mass extinctions could've been because of that

[frigid coral]

ehhh I’m pretty sure not many are large enough but I’ll go research

[dreamy sleet]

if theres was an ice age then they wouldve died cause they mightve been cold blooded

[steady rock]

How large must they be? Like large like in weight?

[steady rock]

All the reptiles that survived through the ice age:

[dreamy sleet]

if the mamoth got extinct it was abvious that a giant lizard would become extinct sooner or later

[steady rock]

What about the saltwater crocodile or those giant tortoises that live for like, 250 years

[dreamy sleet]

those got extinct by many reasons like lack of food,smoke blocking sun and asphixiating them or just cause they couldnt handle the change

[compact leaf]

neither of those are extinct though

[steady rock]

No offense but your grammar is making it hard to understand you

[sage cave]

💀

[dreamy sleet]

sorry im new here.by the way they are still alive but theres relatives perished

[wary heath]

was adalatherium a monotreme

[steady rock]

Yeah but the creatures we named were around during the ice age with megalania, I'm pretty sure it and the salt water crocodile lived close together both being. . .east.. ? Australian animals

[dreamy sleet]

yes

[wary heath]

or is it only speculation from prehistoric planet

[dreamy sleet]

no one knows for sure the past pixel_guy

[steady rock]

Who's that. . .

[compact leaf]

iirc it’s mostly based on its family placement, most of its relatives are so they reconstructed it as one too

[steady rock]

How likely was deinosuchus a salt water crocodile? ( not actually a saltwater crocodile, I mean it just mainly lived in salt water )

[dreamy sleet]

the deinosuchus was a mass predator which depended on eating mostly fish and large turtles

[steady rock]

I'm pretty sure that was titanaboa

[dreamy sleet]

no it aint at least that whut i think

[compact leaf]

there’s not much of a way to tell it’s salt threshold so we’d have to rely on looking at its depositional environment, they didn’t find it in a marine deposit so freshwater is the safer bet at this point

[dreamy sleet]

depends on future and present though

[elfin pulsar]

Wut

[steady rock]

Didn't it live during the west interior seaway?

[dreamy sleet]

i agree

[tough parcel]

AFAIK Deinosuchus had a lifestyle similar to salties, yes

[compact leaf]

yeah that’s a safe way to go just considering how much coastline was around, I wouldn’t expect it to be fully saltwater though

[steady rock]

Salt water cross need to go inland to drink fresh water, correct?

[dreamy sleet]

yes cause salt and frsh water are diferent types of water groups

[tough parcel]

Salties can spend extended amounts of time in the sea, but yea. They need fresh water to drink in the end

[steady rock]

Correct!

I have another question, where north America and south America connected together in the mezoic or right after?

[nocturne cairn]

after

[steady rock]

So does this disprove the alamosaurus migration theory of them traveling up from the south?

[dreamy sleet]

no it doesnt

[clever sable]

I believe they can drink brackish water iirc

I could be wrong and I probably am

[stoic tinsel]

it does, infact alamosaurus has no traits of a coastal animal

alamosaurus most likely comes from a ghost lineage of saltasaurids that were still present in NA

[stoic tinsel]

nor do any other saltasaurids

[woeful falcon]

Ghost lineages

[pearl briar]

any non avian dinos that were found on italy? (aka confirmed to be italian?)

[little mauve]

Tethyshadros, Saltriovenator

Scipionyx

[pearl briar]

mamma mia

[stoic tinsel]

Saltriovenator is also massive for an early jurassic theropod

[covert lintel]

how would a large sauropod migrate over an ocean??

[pearl briar]

swimming
that's all, simple & answered ur question

btw
can mosasaur "Jump"?

[little mauve]

Continental shelves would've been extensive during marine transgressions, relatively shallow water & reefs. Sauropods could probably pole along with their forelimbs and were good floaters

[cinder jewel]

There's basically no reason to think they couldn't. Sharks dolphins whales and crocodiles can all do it to some degree.

[clever sable]

Probably idk, I know like nothing about prehistoric marine life

[chilly knot]

It was probably more marine than modern salties

[glad carbon]

I heard that as well, dunno why, maybe cause they were Dk heavy it was hard to walk lol

[little mauve]

Their distribution is almost entirely coastal and they're found on both sides of the WIS

[wary junco]

Definitely not, it has been robustly recovered within Gondwanatheria basically ever since it was discovered (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02724634.2020.1801706)

[light osprey]

We’re still talking about Alamosaurus right?

[sand silo]

i wonder what a pterosaur would taste like

doubt it would taste like a dinosaur tho-

[heady thunder]

Itd probably have 2000 viruses like a bat

[pearl briar]

ok so what to do when we encountered giga???

[upbeat bough]

I'd love a triceratops steak, probably wouldn't taste that good tho

[frosty anvil]

I'd devour a big mac iggy burger no problem

Barsboldia burger

[pearl briar]

rex drumstick everyone?

[frosty anvil]

Probably woudnt taste very good
Dosent hurt to try though right? After all it'd be better to take a bite out of a rex than for rex to take a bite out of you.

[heady thunder]

If people eat bear meat, Rex would definitely be tried.

[sand silo]

how about pterosaurs probably?

[heady thunder]

Corona 65000000

[sand silo]

i feel like the wing skins would be boiled for making gummy bears

bet lystrosaurus meat would be much tastier

bet cambrian creatures would be worth a taste too

[sand silo]

tasting the eras of time.

[vocal breach]

Tully monster sushi

[sand silo]

imagine if you got a buff for eating a salt lick and a meat chunk together. Stir-fried anomalocaris

[vocal breach]

Beef jerky buff

[dull lodge]

Dude hadrosaurs would be so bussin

[tranquil quartz]

Nah bro ankylosaurids, some juicy tender meat under that armour

[craggy creek]

Watching the newest prehistoric planet episode I hope T.Rex gets a night ability. As David Attenborough said T.Rex has padding on its feet and really good vision in the night. Idk just seems cool

[hasty wharf]

Prehistoric Planet my beloved

[craggy creek]

It's so goated.

[hasty wharf]

That hunting scene.. chefs kiss

[light osprey]

All theropod dinosaurs have fleshy pads on their feet

[stray wren]

All dinosaurs in general have fleshy pads, hell most terrestrial animals that don't have hooves do

[sand silo]

now that you mention it, i wonder how tough ankylosaur flesh would be to cook. Bet it would be kinda gamey and chewy due to the bones.

[sand silo]

Ornithomimids would probably be the tastiest dinosaur, as they ate nuts, seeds and fruits. They may have had a sweeter and fragrant meat.

[tiny holly]

Bones wouldnt really have anything to do with the meat texture and flavour, its the animal's lifestyke that does. For example chicken is obviously very soft and easy to eat, but when i had peafowl once we couldnt eat the legs unless we slow cooked them as theyre super stringy and tough due to the very active terrestrial lifestyle. Generally speaking the more active an animal is the tougher the meat will be. Their diet can also influence how they taste, eg ive heard squirrels taste kind of nutty

Activity also influences flavour, which is part of why more active animals tend to have that "gamey" flavour

[cloud dagger]

Normal chicken is usually slow cooked, we eat broilers that have too much flesh on them but this isn’t paleo talk anyway

[sand silo]

That's why i think ornithomimids would be so tasty, compared to a anky or a rex

[tiny holly]

Honestly considering ankylosaurs probably werent going anywhere fast i bet a lot of their meat would genuinely be really nice. While ornithomimids were probably on the gamier and tougher side due to probably being very active

[tiny holly]

I mean slow slow cooked. You buy some raw drumsticks they dont take long to cook. Peafowl legs wouod have benefited from several hours in a slow cooker. Makes me think ornithomimid drumsticks would be absolute hell to prepare lmao

[sand silo]

I guess ankylosaurs would have a MUCH fattier meat, and ornithomimids would have fruity but tough meat[ like a sweet tasting turkey]

[tiny holly]

See my real question that i never see anyone bring up or debate is sauropods. Everyone is always debating on theropods or hadrosaurs, maybe ceratopsids. But sauropods are truly alien compared to life on earth today and difficult to compare anything with. What would they be like in terms of both flavour and texture

[sand silo]

Closest in my opinion would probably be whales of all things, minus the fishy flavor and due to how similar in size they are.

[covert lintel]

tbh i think most dinosaurs wouldn't've been very fatty under normal circumstances, they'd definitely have some body fat as basically every healthy animal does, but not a lot of naturally evolved (meaning: not extensively selectively bred by humans) animals normally carry lots of body fat. it's mostly animals that hibernate, or are aquatic and need a way to keep warm

[tiny holly]

I feel like they probably had some pretty insane muscles in their legs and necks to support everything. But belly meat? That could be real good imo

[sand silo]

This still counts as paleo-chat right? we are all theorizing about how ancient creatures tasted, which is still paleo-chat in my mind.

[jagged trellis]

you could be talking about dinosaur bones and they'd fuss at ya while letting the political debate go on elsewhere, i think its fine

[somber knoll]

Some air-dried pterosaur wing membrane sounds like a Christmas treat that would exist in eastern Europe

[covert lintel]

i think so? it's an odd topic but there's some scientific discussion goin' on alongside it (primarily discussion of how their lifestyles would influence the characteristics of their meat)

[sand silo]

i feel like different body parts and organs of a sauropod would taste like 5 different animal meats, not to mention the size of all it's organs and bones as food.

[covert lintel]

y'know how some inuit communities can make a whale carcass last for months? i feel like a large sauropod could feed a village for years if it could be butchered and preserved properly

[jagged trellis]

also can we mention how bird wings are such a interesting style of flight no other animal has with most having membrane or insect style yet its seen as the normal one

[somber knoll]

I think Ankylosaurid meat might be really good, basically a pretty sizeable cow who's skin is never really affected by weather or such

[sand silo]

I'd bet that Permian creatures would taste more familiar to us, especially Lystrosaurus. It would probably taste bland due to it eating ferns.

[sand silo]

i feel like sauropod ribcages would be used as huge homes once they dried and removed it's insides.

[vocal breach]

According to my estimates, if 5 households consisting of 3 people each ate from a 61 ton Dreadnoughtus, by the end of the year, they’d only be 1/4th the way through its entire body

Assuming the body doesn’t go bad and they use every spare pound of flesh

[trim crag]

what the hell did i just read

[sand silo]

i change my mind on ankylosaur meat, it was probably fattier and less tough.

[amber dune]

We talking about how edible anky is?

[sand silo]

i imagine cambrian creatures would taste like shrimp.

[trim crag]

I imagine all herbivorous or omnivorous dinosaurs tasted like some form of chicken

[covert lintel]

why would it be particularly fatty tho? they may not be running all that fast, but it'd still take a lot of energy to keep all that armour up, not to mention most parts of a plant aren't very calorie-rich

[woeful falcon]

Lot of meat vs actual fat

[amber dune]

What dinosaurs would taste like pork tho?

[sand silo]

i bet Lystrosaurus would taste like pork, probably having a bland flavor profile due to it's diet of ferns and not much.

[upbeat bough]

I doubt it, there's a lot of variation in taste even between herbi/omni birds

[trim crag]

well I'm not sure what captive duck, turkey, chicken or ostriches are fed but they all taste pretty similar to me

[stiff osprey]

yeah their diet is probably similar, hence the taste

phylogenetics has something to do with taste too though, otherwise pigs would taste more like chicken than caiman do

[trim crag]

Yeah ofc

I have heard that bear, human and pig meat all taste pretty similar likely due to all 3 species having an extremely diverse diet but also typically preferring to eat fruits, nuts and meats (more or less meats with pigs)

[cinder jewel]

I've eaten bear and pig. They're more similar to each other than they are to other meats I've tried for sure.

[covert lintel]

yeah, diet, level/type of activity, age, and clade all have impact on taste (mostly diet and clade afaik. but a young cow is better for beef than an older cow n such)
so, yknow, i have some doubts about a seemingly herbivorous wild stem-mammal tasting like pig (omnivorous domesticated Proper Mammal)

[trim crag]

I wonder what seals taste like, they have a diet of mostly fish but are still carnivorous mammals so likely wouldn't taste good if it was just a raw cut of meat with no fat

[snow python]

Accurate?

[stray wren]

Yeah, pretty much for now

[cinder jewel]

The legs look a little thin to support that weight to me, but it looks decent overall

[clever sable]

Fun fact: cannibalism is legal in 49 states except Idaho, the part that's difficult is getting the meat but people can gift you their meat legally

[deft sigil]

A reminder to please view pinned messages for appropriate paleo-chat topics. We recommend all off-topic conversations for paleo-chat be directed to DM's, the appropriate channel or another server entirely.

[trim crag]

good to know

[hollow pendant]

Guys don’t get a tattoo of spinosaurus, it will get outdated

[stiff osprey]

not if you tattoo the preserved material 😎

[heady thunder]

Or dont care about accuracy

[light osprey]

[hollow pendant]

I don’t believe that spino has little let’s but walks around

[dreamy sleet]

cause it bipedal

[scenic flame]

this would go hard tatted on my fohead

[heady thunder]

Harder then the allies bombs which destroyed them

[stiff osprey]

I'm not into tattoos at all, but if I were i'd prob get this on my back

[hollow pendant]

That’s good to hear

[clever sable]

Well some stegosaurs survived into the early Cretaceous iirc but I don't think they lasted very long

[light oxide]

Favorite abelisaur of mine:

Aucasaurus -- a human sized abelisaur that actually has an almost complete skeleton, other than some tail vertebrate:

(Artist Credits: Gabriel N. U.)

[light oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-michael-fassbender-perfectionist-perfect-gif-7910211

[stiff osprey]

Wuerhosaurus, Paranthodon and Mongolostegos are Cretaceous, they had thagomizers

although not necessarily ones that looked the same as Stego's

[pearl briar]

a few question abt rex

1. what is the hardest material rex can pulverize with his 57.000 newton bite force?
2. can rex "Kick"?
3. how good were rex senses?
4. was rex really as fierce as its legend says?
5. what to do when we encountered rex?
   thank you 🙏

[jagged trellis]

1. idk, 2. yeah, just not a very high one, like passing a ball, not a nuke, 3. p good from what ive heard, 4. nothing is as legends say save very few, but rex was something, 5. bail or bomb

[neat drum]

rex prob would only crack bones, i guess he could crack wood but bone was the main thing

rex could kick

rex could see very well, hear very well, and see very well

rex was an animal, nothing more nothing less, it was an awe-inspiring animal, but no more "fierce" or "legendary" than a tiger or a great white

cry a little, then cry a lot, odds are rex would look at us as a novel item and kill us via knocking us around with his snoot vs trying to eat us

[pearl briar]

wow they can kick
that's just awsome

[neat drum]

it was not a high kick or anything, more like a high step

they could lean back and kick maybe like, as high as its chest when standing neutral

[pearl briar]

oh...
i thought they could kick like this

well if it's not a high kick, rex couldn't do a kamen rider kick then

[neat drum]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/theropods/images/3/33/T.rex_model_by_Saurian_dev_team.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20160804062743

think this, maybe slightly higher ^

[pearl briar]

oh yeah can rex "Jump"?

[neat drum]

tyrannosaurus likely could not get both legs off the ground at the same time, not without devastating injury to its legs and hips

[pearl briar]

rex isn't a kamen rider confirmed 100%
common L rex 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😡😡😡😡😡😡💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[clever sable]

I'm pretty sure rex can bite hard enough to crush a car

[neat drum]

has the potential to*

it likely didn't or wouldn't use that kinda force since uh, metal hurts

[clever sable]

Well yeah, but I feel like you limiting it to wood is kinda an understatement

As they didn't ask what it realistically would decide to bite through they just asked what the hardest material it could bite through was

[neat drum]

not really, potential power vs actual power is a real thing, just because the bones can do it, doesn't mean that the animal itself could, as all methods of measuring fossil biteforces are in some way, shape, or form flawed because we dont have the real animal(and even then, real life animal bite tests are often flawed and give inaccurate readings)

[clever sable]

And they probably would use that kind of force while hunting as irl creatures when hunting, specifically crocodiles, hyenas and big cats bite down as hard as they could

[woeful falcon]

Helps that they're usually biting other animals and not cars or logs

[clever sable]

Like, unless it's gonna physically injure the animal by continuing to bite as hard as they can animals tend to bite as hard as possible

[stiff osprey]

i mean, what's the material closest in hardness to tooth enamel? that's probably the hardest material it could bite through

[neat drum]

not entirely true, yes animals use their bite to its fullest extent for the situation a big cat is not going to snap its jaws shut with full force, but instead hold, same with hyenas, this is why biteforce tests are often flawed, they dont accurately measure the animal's bite

crocodillians are an odd exception with their unique musculature and tendons that let them snap their jaws shut, its unlikely tyrannosaurus rex snapped in this manner and its way more likely that its impressive jaw strength was for holding rather than crushing outright

also yeah^ tooth enamel and other soft bits come into play, something often left out in tests on fossils

[clever sable]

I kinda want someone to make a video analysing the biology and evolution of the fauna of 4546B the planet from subnautica

Subnautica has my favorite fictional ecosystem of all time

[light osprey]

Episode 4 was a good one

Prehistoric Planet I mean

[neat drum]

tooth enamel has a mohs rating of 5 which is surprisingly strong, stronger than gold, iron, steel, etc.

but the structure of the enamel matters more than the hardness itself, since like all things physics likes to go brrrr

[pearl briar]

i mean...
could rex pulverize a steel bar, bowling ball, & even the most hardest material in the world ,Diamond?

[neat drum]

probably not, maybe the bowling ball

[pearl briar]

ru saying that rex 57.000 newton bite force cannot pulverize
a diamond?

[clever sable]

Well, depends if you mean rex itself or the force it's able to produce being put into an object more conveniently shaped for crushing, and depending on how thick the steel bar is it could probably bend it in half but that would hurt probably, it could probably crush a bowling ball though

[light osprey]

Saying a Diamond is the hardest material is also a misnomer, it’s just extremely scratch resistant, so T rex could probably crush one.

[neat drum]

a normal diamond yes, but if you made a diamond large enough to be bite by rex, and it had no impurities, the teeth would shatter and maybe even the jaw

[clever sable]

It can but that would be very inconvenient as rexes teeth aren't really designed for crushing things like steel and diamonds, they are designed for crushing bone

[pearl briar]

but they can crush such as obsidian right?

[light osprey]

Anyways, is D. Riograndensis still a valid species?

[neat drum]

(diamond has a moh rating of 10, 2x that of tooth enamel and ~4x that of bone)

obsidian is glass, you can break it with your fingers

[clever sable]

The thing about rexes bite force is, coming from a living breathing creature that enjoys not having a broken jaw it probably wouldn't crush a steel bar, if it were to attack a car it would probably be more like JP where it rips it apart instead of crushing it

[pearl briar]

only hatcheri that valid
riograndesis lumped into a smth called "Phobosuchus Riograndensis" iirc (feel free to cmiiw)

[carmine sapphire]

stomp
I love that scene to be honest
JP was way ahead of it's time!

[pearl briar]

the crush one maybe could be megalodon bite force iinw

[clever sable]

JP is 8/10 imo, great movie

[chilly knot]

Ur just hacking in minecraft!

[chilly knot]

Likely just hatcheri

[carmine sapphire]

mad about JP3 though
stupid spino was cool, but i wanted a croc boy :(
Althoughh
the dinosaurs in question were completely made from scratch with minimal "DNA" and had other animal DNA such as frogs, crocodiles and sharks fill in the gaps, so it's still technically ...valid(??) as a "recreation" of it, due to the fact that it was implied they were lab-created
Like how we see with Indorex and Indoraptor, which were, FOR SURE, not at all accurate (or real-)
Oh and the fact that they were made to attract crowds, not teach about the dinosaur's behaviour or anything like that
They were probably modified to be hyper aggressive and other things like that
Still though, Accurate Spinosaurus would be EPIC

[light osprey]

Darn, Riograndensis is a way cooler species name though

[pearl briar]

POV: a male & female rex goes into hunt together & choose to kick they're prey be like:

[static lantern]

Whats that huge tylosaurus specimen called? Or if you know the size of it/length

[clever sable]

It's more than 1 foot

[winter cloud]

I love the fact that if any animals and past animals habitat was touched or the resources depleted they just went extinct but crocodilians have literally survived like what 6 mass extinctions

[elfin pulsar]

Isn’t it Bonkers or something like that

[static lantern]

That sounds really familiar thanks a bunch

[light osprey]

Bonkers is a really unreliable specimen, better to use Bunker, whose currently 14 meters long, and iirc a GDI is coming to estimate its weight.

[tiny holly]

To be fair, not without severe losses. While crocodilians and their relatives have managed to persist for a very long time through a significant mass extinction and numerous minor ones, their diversity today is a fraction of what they once were. By prehistoric standards modern crocodilians are actually really lacking

[stark jungle]

Idk if anyone wanted this but it looks great

[cloud dagger]

Credit?

[stark jungle]

no clue stole from someone who stole and put their water mark over the creators

[wide glen]

the new spinosaurus protathlitis is looking cool

like a mini baryonx, but instead of the jurassic was in the cretaceous

[acoustic light]

Baryonyx was from the cretaceous as well.

[wide glen]

then how did we find iguanodon scales from my knowledge iguanodon was in the jurassic?

[somber knoll]

Iggy covers both late Jurassic and early Cretaceous afaik

[acoustic light]

Iguanodon is from the cretaceous as well.

[wide glen]

ah ok im dumb

[pearl briar]

Have we not been able to determine the life span of a non-avian dinosaur?

[clear barn]

The Tyrannosaurus Rex

facts

The Tyrannosaurus rex, also known as T. rex, was a large carnivorous dinosaur that lived during the late Cretaceous period, approximately 68 to 66 million years ago. It was one of the largest land predators of all time, with a length of up to 40 feet and a weight of up to 14 tons. T. rex had a powerful jaw with large, serrated teeth that could crush bone, and its legs were adapted for running at high speeds. Despite its fearsome reputation, T. rex was likely a scavenger as well as a hunter, feeding on the remains of dead animals as well as live prey.

Recent studies suggest that the T-rex did not roar as previously believed. Instead, it is believed that the T-rex made closed mouth vocalizations and booming, bird-like sounds.

It is unlikely that dinosaurs roared, including the T-rex, due to their small throats. Fossil evidence cannot confirm this, but it is believed that T-rex and other Dinosaurs had a thin throat and could only eat small chunks. Most of its neck was likely made up of muscles.

[woeful falcon]

Well, life expectency can vary and to have a solid idea you'd have to have a large enough of a sample. For example the oldest Tyrannosaurus specimens are like, late 20s to 30s so that paints a picture of Tyrannosaurus that live to be up that age around. But suppose there are other methods of gathering a dinosaurs life expectencies that aren't simply the averaging the ages of specimens when they died

[heady thunder]

Cool stuff, but imo if crocs can roar, dinos probably could too

[clear barn]

It's doubtful that they had the ability to roar. a fossilized larynx of an ankylosarus was found, and it resembled that of a bird, a toucan to be exact

[woeful falcon]

Imagine having that huge of a mouth and being the largest land predator having to sustain yourself on great amounts of meat but can only eat small bits at a time

[heady thunder]

Whale moment

[clear barn]

they likley didn't swallow it whole

[woeful falcon]

Well of course it wasn't. It was eating giant hadrosaurs

[clear barn]

Dinosaurs where not monsters, they where just normal animals, it's unlikley T-rex even was a "killing machine" or killed at sight.

T-rex had keen vision though, it is belived they could see up to 3 miles

[heady thunder]

Nah, it killed on scent.

[clear barn]

It's important to remember that dinosaurs were animals and not as savage or monstrous as often portrayed in the media. The behavior of these creatures has been exaggerated by the media.

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

[woeful falcon]

Can't be overstated that the means of audible communication between various clades of dinosaurs was evolving beyond standard vocalizations, between the trumpeting lambeosaurines to the bird-like larynx of the ankylosaur, to birds themselves. I don't think its fair to blanket a statement of "dinosaurs can't roar" when they were evolving different means of vocalizing and their extant analogues, crocs, can roar

[clear barn]

Crocodilians can produce low-frequency sounds like roars and grunts, but they are not closely related to dinosaurs. The last common ancestor of crocodilians and dinosaurs existed over 200 million years ago, and the two groups have evolved different vocalization systems.

[woeful falcon]

I also don't know about blanket statements like "t rex and ither dinosaurs had thin throat and could only eat small chunks" when dinosaurs can be so different from one another and got to be so large that it wouldn't be advantageous for such huge animals to only be able consume small amounts of food.

Your fish eating spinosaurids being a notable example

[clear barn]

most of T-rex neck was probably mostly of muscles and flesh to support their large head

[woeful falcon]

You realize the thought behind Tyrannosaurus's vocalizations come from its ears being tuned to low frequency sounds, right

[heady thunder]

Any studies to support that?

[clear barn]

Although some dinosaurs were able to make loud, low-frequency sounds, it is widely accepted in the scientific community that they did not roar like modern big cats or like they do in media. This is due to the lack of anatomical structures required for producing a true roar, such as a flexible larynx and specialized vocal folds.

[white matrix]

I didn’t know that.

[clear barn]

A thin throat could have aided in swallowing both small and large chunks. This is because a thicker, more muscular throat may lack flexibility.

[woeful falcon]

Yes. Which is why I made the to crocodilians, an archosaur with a larynx that vocalizes with low frequency sounds. And they do roar. There are recordings out there of them roaring. Often when people are messing with them.

Tyrannosaurus's ears were sensitive to low frequency sounds, so it is thought that this is how they communicated with each other

[clear barn]

a slow low rumble is scarier than a roar, imagine hearing that in the forest

[heady thunder]

Why not both? Crocs can do both.

[woeful falcon]

Rex wasn't blasting its eardrums out with JP roars sure, but I think its fair to think it might be roaring and hissing not unlike crocodilians.

An animal isn't just gonna have one kind of vocalization

Deep reverberating hiss from an angry t rex

[clear barn]

It is uncertain whether T-rex was a noisy creature or not. However, some researchers believe that it was a relatively quiet species.
and not this open mouth roaring you see in movies

[cloud dagger]

It should be common knowledge to realize that dinos are not how they are represented in movies

[clear barn]

Jurassic Park or World, are just for entertainment, not scientific documentaries

Dinosaurs where just animals, normal ancient animals

[woeful falcon]

Well, if their ears were tuned to low frequencies and its thought that it was intraspecific, then they were vocalizing surely.

[woeful falcon]

While we here yes, lets see some citations

[clear barn]

Yeah, but I doubt they did it with roaring because they didn't have a flexible larynx or specialized vocal folds or skeletons needed for roaring.

[woeful falcon]

By what definition, neither do crocodiles and they can roar.

And from what preserved Tyrannosaurus larynx is this info coming from

I would think the low grumbles of Tyrannosaurus communicating with each other doesn't come in the form of roars either, I'm just saying I don't think that would have been the only vocalization they made

A situation that calls for aggression might produce a roar, or if we must distinguish something as a "true roar" then it would be a vocalization comparable to a roar

[pearl briar]

rex maybe does a "Crocodile-Like" growls (ig)

[woeful falcon]

The closed mouth booming birds in question also make more than just one sound, especially in times of aggression.

[pearl briar]

agreed

[clear barn]

Rather than relying on popular media or fictional portrayals, we should base our understanding of dinosaurs on science and research.

Currently, there's no evidence that dinosaurs could produce complex vocalizations like big cats do. Despite the fact that some dinosaurs might have been able to produce low-frequency sounds, it is likely that they did not possess the specialized vocal structures necessary to produce a true roar or any other type of complex vocalization at all.

[woeful falcon]

No one except you is comparing them to big cats

That last sentence. Tell that to Parasaurolophus or the Ankylosaur you mentioned earlier. Got a whole subfamily of hadrosaurs with head structures for their vocalizations

[pearl briar]

t rex size is more like 36-40.3 ft long & 8-10.4 tons in weight

but i could go wrong so take it with the grain of salt

[clear barn]

That's just an example of animals that can roar, dinosaurs did not have the same vocal anatomy as modern animals

[woeful falcon]

Oof I didn't even notice the incorrect size thing, I just tunnel visioned on the vocalizations

Talk about going with 3rd result on google

[clear barn]

I said up to, not the exact

[woeful falcon]

The largest known Tyrannosaurus is 10.4 tonnes. So its not even up to

[clear barn]

the size is a subject of ongoing research, and some may have varied in size

well, atleast I am not the one who thinks dinosaurs roared, let alone get their facts from hollywood

[woeful falcon]

When have any of my facts come from hollywood, never once have I compared them to big cats and strictly used other archosaurs for example as well as talked in depth about why scientists think they communicated with low frequency

Also the two largest Tyrannosaurus known are Sue and Scotty, both nearly 10 and a half tonnes. Would need new specimens for up to 14 tonnes

[clear barn]

the bones are hardly the weight they weighed, you have to think of the muscles and meat

[woeful falcon]

Yes I am. That's where those weights come from. I hope you don't think their skeletons alone weigh 10 tonnes

[clear barn]

we can't know for certain, so we are just debating over speculations

[white matrix]

[clear barn]

T-rexes' calculated weight is only speculation since we do not have real tissue or muscles from them

[woeful falcon]

No but estimates can be made from GDI. That's math not speculation

[clear barn]

estimating the exact weight of an extinct animal is not easy

and we don't know if they even are completely correct, even with the tech and stuff they use

[woeful falcon]

Here
https://svpow.com/2011/01/20/tutorial-11-graphic-double-integration-or-weighing-dinosaurs-on-the-cheap/#:~:text=Tutorial 11%3A Graphic Double Integration,Vertebra Picture of the Week

[clear barn]

Yes I know

[woeful falcon]

No tech and stuff needed, just math

[white matrix]

We can pretty accurately determine the muscle mass of a rex

[clear barn]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/dinosaur-sounds-honk-growl-torah-kachur-1.3803212
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/tyrannosaurus-rex-couldnt-run-says-new-research/
https://www.sciencealert.com/we-ve-been-imagining-t-rex-roars-all-wrong-study-finds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/12/think-dinosaurs-roared-like-in-jurassic-park-the-truth-new-research-says-is-a-bit-wimpier/

[white matrix]

Rex was way to successful to be disabled

[woeful falcon]

Voila, a Tyrannosaurus muscle diagram

[eager skiff]

Thats a very tall rex lol

[clear barn]

Correct!

[white matrix]

Even if It couldn't run he had to catch faster pray

[clear barn]

it walked fast, it is said it could spreaded it's legs outwards when walking fast, due to it's joint at it's legs
It would look funny "running" towards you

[woeful falcon]

That's 5027. Doesn't have a cool name but its probably one of the more recognizeable specimens if you've ever seen the JP logo

[white matrix]

I don't think i would be laughing

[eager skiff]

Ah

[clear barn]

That would be a very odd thing to do

kinda like a crab

[white matrix]

Looks twice as tall as that women i believe its around 3 meters tall

[eager skiff]

Is that a tall rex? Or just average?

[clear barn]

and if they roared (this is just a scenario) , why would a T-rex roar after killing it's prey and why would it roar in the first place?
makes no sense for an animal to make loud sounds or vocalize after killing something that will just attract others

[white matrix]

pretty Tall

[white matrix]

It had to have some sound ment for intimidation

[woeful falcon]

I said if it roared it was as a means of aggression not like a victory roar or with prey. It would be threatening other hostile Tyrannosaurus

[clear barn]

yeah but it is unlikley they did, probably more rumbling and closed mouth vocals like whales

[woeful falcon]

You went from saying it didn't have advanced communication to comparing it to a group of animals with one of the most advanced communication ever lol

[white matrix]

Modern day birds screech loudly

[clear barn]

you are the one who said that dinosaurs roared because crocs roar, crocs are not related to dinosaurs

[white matrix]

They are

[woeful falcon]

Crocs and dinosaurs are both archosaurs. There are only two archosaurian animals alive today

[clear barn]

as I said, they are not closely related to dinosaurs. The last ancestor of crocodilians and dinosaurs existed over 200 million years ago
while they are in the same group mdoern crocs are not closley related

[woeful falcon]

Birds and crocodilians are the dinosaurs closest living relatives

Birds ofc being dinosaurs themselves

[pearl briar]

i was gonna try to say the same thing lol but nvm

[white matrix]

Birds aren't dinosaurs they are their descendants

[woeful falcon]

That means they're dinosaurs

Theropods to be exact. Same group that includes rex

[clear barn]

This, even though they are in the same group, modern crocs are not closley related to dinosaurs, the last common ancestor went extinct for 200 million years ago

[pearl briar]

i have a friend that still says that dinosaurs were "Lizard"
what should i tell them?

[white matrix]

My argument isnt that birds aren't dinosaurs but that dinosaurs are not birds

[clear barn]

dinosaurs name has the word "Lizard" in them, since all dinosaur names is often greek or latin, including the word dinosaur
but they are not lizards in that way, they are not related to modern lizards

dinosaur comes from Greek words "deinos" meaning "terrible" or "fearsome" and "sauros" meaning "lizard" or "reptile"

Name your own dinosaur using the common words scientist use to name dinosaurs?

[woeful falcon]

So let me see if I can piece all you've said together really. Crocodilians and dinosaurs are separated by 200 million years of evolution and are not comparable but also dinosaur vocalization hasn't really changed all that much between each other based on your comments saying that dinosaurs didn't roar and made low frequency vocalizations, rex in particular, and despite this lack of change they cannot be compared for vocalizations

Even though crocs also communicate in low frequencies.

[pearl briar]

what should i tell this to that popular girl in my school 💀
also what will u guys do when y'all in my position?

[woeful falcon]

I would just, not talk with them about dinosaurs

[clear barn]

they are not fighting and rampaging

[heady thunder]

Cos I like em.

[clear barn]

That's an average person thinking humans are so great and worth it while we are mostly the cause of half of the worlds animals going extinct and accelerating climate change
Dinosaurs are one of the most successful animals to exist
climate change did exist durning dinosaurs and earlier but we have made it worse and faster

[woeful falcon]

Allow me to clarify if I wasn't being clear. I'm not saying in a blanket statement that dinosaurs could roar, what I mean is I see no reason to discount their capacity to roar based on their living relatives with larynxes being able to do so, or if we must distinguish a true roar as with a lion from any other roar-like sound, then I think it is fair to believe they had the capacity to make roar-like vocalizations, particularly in times of aggression or threat

This doesn't extend to all dinosaurs mind you.

[white matrix]

can i state the obvious and say that doesn't sound like something a person would say

[pearl briar]

not for my popular girl in my school

[clear barn]

YES they did not as they do in the movies, more like how croocodiles hiss, like a snarl?
I think this conversation is over now, this does not seem to go anywhere.

[woeful falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697869175829561366/972601623861940234/ReptiliaZoo_Roaring_Nile_Crocodile.mp4

[clear barn]

Yeah I think they did that instead of roaring while threath
it makes more snese than roaring

[woeful falcon]

That's just straight up a roar.

Also, I don't think this is appropriate discussion here. Mods typically clap outside drama

[clear barn]

sort of
but not in th sense of a hollywood roar

[white matrix]

The sound has to be loud ive never heard a quiet threat from qn animal

[woeful falcon]

Nah not in that sense. But I'm glad you see where I'm coming from tho

This whole time that's what I've been picturing lol. I should have just posted it from the start

Crocodilian vocalization is more diverse than most realize

[clear barn]

my apologies. I also hope that you comprehend my message, and I am pleased that we have been able to reach a mutually agreement.

[woeful falcon]

We were butting heads at the end of the day. That said, keep your eye out here and you might come across references you might find more reliable.

Also, y'all probably shouldn't talk about that stuff here

[sullen swallow]

Please view pinned messages for appropriate paleo-chat topics. We recommend all off-topic conversations for paleo-chat be directed to DM's, the appropriate channel or another server entirely. Please do not bring personal issues or dramas into this server. Refer to our #rules

[white matrix]

Ive learned from my mistakes i will not refer to this incident ever again

[woeful falcon]

Cool face

[bronze storm]

The

[white matrix]

How would the face look with muscle skin and other things?

Bro would look like a reptile horse or something

[woeful falcon]

Like Spinosaurus, but shaped different

[light osprey]

Like an Irritator

[bronze storm]

Something like this

[white matrix]

Nice quick sketch

Modern day animals have less holes in their skulls

This is a crow skull, its a lot different from any dino skulls ive seen. And i have more examples

[bronze storm]

No thats a camel

[white matrix]

Bro a camel skull looks like something from my worst nightmare

Camel skull

[sudden wind]

Camels are nightmare fuel

[white matrix]

Imagine if another civilization finds camel fossils

[frail robin]

I recommend you read "All Todays". It's a book that reimagines modern animals from the perspective of alien paleontologists

[late gale]

Hippo skulls are worse imo

Beaver skulls and whale skulls are also pretty crazy

Oh good lord i forgot a out baby skulls

[sand silo]

GOOD morning discord chat!

[white matrix]

Send it here i ain't searching that up, itll get me on the fbi watchlist

I searched it up

[pearl briar]

why would you do that???

[white matrix]

Its nightmare fuel

[heady thunder]

Da baby

[sand silo]

New silly question?? What would triassic animals taste like??
and how hard do you think it would be to cook them??

[covert lintel]

most other animals had fewer skull holes back then, too. dinosaurs were a bit unique

[cloud dagger]

This one has a nice skull

[late gale]

Tf is dat

[sand silo]

it looks weird

[cloud dagger]

It’s Uintatherium

[viscid surge]

Oof that looks goofy

[night bluff]

Speaking of camels

[sand silo]

MMMMMM, bet it would make some delicious biryani!

[night bluff]

I would desire to eat most prehistoric mega-fauna if given the opportunity.

[heady thunder]

Maybe against 20 allos, but not 1.

[covert lintel]

that book's probably outdated, most sauropods aren't exactly sprinters but they're still multi-ton animals, they can put up a good fight

[west drum]

Hella outdated then

[covert lintel]

sounds like a classic retrosaur

...so in other words, it wasn't accurate?

[late gale]

Is that an extinct camel species?

[glad carbon]

@white matrix

[late gale]

I think a salt water croc vs great white is actually more of a 50/50 match up

[glad carbon]

Are you serious

[late gale]

Sure why not

[glad carbon]

Alligators are smaller first of all, and croc can’t even get its mouth around them, which is literally the only thing that would let then win. Bite force means absolutely nothing if you can’t hold on

[late gale]

Doesnt have to go for the body could go for fins or the tail

[night bluff]

@late gale Yeah, it's the equivalent of the Bison Latifrons in the Camel family

[late gale]

Ur trolling right? U think a gator would do better than a salty?

[glad carbon]

Are you reading anything? He’s talking about the shark bruh☠️

[late gale]

“Alligator claps”
“Gator would crush fin in its mouth”

[glad carbon]

Would crush the FISH. Last time I checked alligators weren’t fish. You’re picking out random details without reading it.

[late gale]

I meant to say fish also how am i picking out random details

[glad carbon]

Because he said a gator would crush the fish. Salt water crocs aren’t fish so he obviously isn’t talking about them. What would prompt you to say “are u trolling u rly think saltie would beat gator?”

[night bluff]

Anyone got a good video reference of a crurotarsial joint in action?

[late gale]

Fr
Also not what i said i said the you think the gator would do better than a salty

True tbh

[glad carbon]

Oh my god☠️ y’all need your devices taking away

[late gale]

And a goldfish would probably do really well againt a saltwater croc to tbh

Magpie they are very smart so

[woeful falcon]

America

[light osprey]

No.

[late gale]

Wdym no? Its almost like you think say a single ant couldnt kill a megalodon

[light osprey]

😳

White tip solos Saltwater low diff 👍

[trim crag]

chain dogfish beats deinosuchus

[cinder jewel]

Ant-Man beating Thanos style maybe

[covert lintel]

hey. hey. psst.
they're not talking about saltwater crocodile vs alligator. they're questioning the logic that hecker's using. "if a saltwater crocodile wouldn't succeed vs a great white shark, why would an alligator?" is what they're trying to say. you're accusing them of not reading while not reading their messages

[main peak]

@white matrix Happy to share!
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285076011_An_enigmatic_new_crocodile_from_the_Upper_Cretaceous_of_Madagascar/link/58b5b026a6fdcc2d14d31d26/download

https://bioone.org/journals/journal-of-vertebrate-paleontology/volume-28/issue-2/0272-4634_2008_28_382_MICMCA_2.0.CO_2/Mahajangasuchus-insignis-Crocodyliformes--Mesoeucrocodylia-Cranial-Anatomy-And-New-Data/10.1671/0272-4634(2008)28[382:MICMCA]2.0.CO;2.short

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6346023/

[sudden wind]

Kaprosuchus and its relatives were very likely still semi-aquatic as Mahajungasuchus may suggest. If you wanna look at terrestrial crocodylomorphs, Notosuchia is for you.

[covert lintel]

yeah i figured

[night bluff]

Boverisuchus is another good reference for a terrestrial crocodylimorph. The claws on it's hind leg even began blunting into hoof-like appendages.

[main peak]

Yeah the discussion wasn't really whether Kapro was terrestrial, it was more about its connection with Mahajangasuchus and modern analogues like Cuban Crocodiles and someone wanted further reading 😛 We were carrying it over from modding

But yes, Boverisuchus a great example of a fully terrestrial crocodylomorph along with my personal favorites, the Sebecidae

Technically though, aren't Kaprosuchus and Mahajangasuchus part of Notosuchia?

[chilly knot]

Lmao alligators get already naturally clapped by American crocs

[feral arrow]

Lol

[night bluff]

Oh my apologies LeRoi I was simply continuing off of Neeco's statement.

[light osprey]

I can’t tell how tall this guy is supposed to be

[woeful falcon]

Use le meter cube

[light osprey]

I’m trying, can’t tel if it exceeds 3 meters in height

[junior dawn]

the measurements are written there
hip height is 3m~

[woeful falcon]

This whole time I thought we were talking about the human silhouette for whatever reason

[junior dawn]

lmao

[earnest saffron]

Favorite Spinosaurid?

[chilly knot]

Montanaspinus

[sullen dust]

Spinofaarus

[light osprey]

3 meter tall human

[earnest saffron]

Guys what happens if we find an island and we find a small species of pterosaur thriving there

[heady thunder]

The same thing that happened when we found out coelocanths werent extinct.

[light osprey]

We will eat them

[earnest saffron]

Why

[light osprey]

Idk I’m just a little hungry

[earnest saffron]

They’re carnivorous though so you wouldn’t like the taste (They eat poisonous insects)

[glad carbon]

Even if that’s what they meant that still doesn’t make sense. A salt water croc and a gator fighting is an almost even match up. While salt water crocs get longer usually gators are bulkier. An alligator and a crocodile have similarly low chances to beat a great white, if at all .

[heady thunder]

Depends on how big the croc and the shark is tbh

[glad carbon]

Both full grown avg size adults (in the water of course)

[heady thunder]

The shark has an advantage, but the croc isnt dead in the water.

[glad carbon]

Think about it though. Not only is the shark bigger, faster and more agile, crocs teeth aren’t really sharp, and crocs mouth probably can’t even fit around the sharks body. Would the shark ever turn its back against an enemy and expose its tail? Croc could probably grab onto that, but still.

[earnest saffron]

THIS IS MU NEW FAVORITE I NEVER KNEW THEY HAD A SAIL

[heady thunder]

Spinos whole thing is the sail tho? Or do you mean the thick tail

[chilly knot]

On weight parity, the croc has the advantage

[earnest saffron]

That’s a Sig…

[heady thunder]

Sig what?

[earnest saffron]

Sig||ilamassaurus||

I had the chance to but I didn’t do it

[elfin pulsar]

Please be a deez nuts joke or smthn

Man 😔

[heady thunder]

Ah, a dollar store spino, didnt know they had them

[earnest saffron]

What about Oxalaia (if it even exists)

[heady thunder]

Exactly, it barely exists

[earnest saffron]

Atleast I have my Sig

Also, did Sig have its spine over its head or under its head?

[heady thunder]

What?

[earnest saffron]

Was it’s spine like this or this

[heady thunder]

Id bet on the first one

[covert lintel]

you just answered your own question with that last sentence. it does make sense because, as you say, neither of them are going to have a good time in that situation, so why say an alligator would do better than a saltwater crocodile if both of 'em are going to have a Very Bad No Good Time in this theoretical fight with a great white shark

[willow hemlock]

I've got a question, so, I just watched the new prehistoric planet episode, and in it (without spoilers), the Antarctic oceans are portrayed as frozen over in the winter, this doesn't seem right. I know it snowed in the winters of some parts of the poles, but the ocean freezing over... that seems a stretch to far. Is there any actual evidence to support this, or was it just there for the sake of having something interesting? Does this even count as a paleo question considering I'm asking about the climate?

[heady thunder]

It should freeze over near the poles still tho

[willow hemlock]

I mean, if average global temperatures at the time could be as high as 23°C, notably above freezing. It seems pretty far-fetched to say that, even at the poles, the ocean would freeze over.

[amber dune]

Aren’t the poles just frozen water and ice anyways?

[covert lintel]

while the mesozoic was overall warmer than today, the poles still would've seen long periods of complete (or partial, depending how close to the poles we're talking) darkness during winters, so i don't think it's that far-fetched?

[heady thunder]

I think the snow regions are way more far fetched

[willow hemlock]

I'm not sure how close to the poles that part of the episode takes place, based on the dialogue I'm inclined to believe somewhere near what today would be the Antarctic peninsula.

[stiff osprey]

https://phys.org/news/2022-09-team-icy-conditions-south-pole.html

This is earlier than the time PP takes place (~90 mya), but there was polar ice at some points during the Cretaceous

[scenic flame]

not terribly surprising tbh

[willow hemlock]

ok, after a bit of quick searching, I was entirely wrong, turns out, 2,000 miles from South America (assuming our starting point is Tierra del Fuego) is actually more around the south pole... it seems I'm just dumb.

[scenic flame]

being at one of the poles leads to very little sunlight which would make it much harder to be warmed by winds and currents etc

[forest wagon]

What do you think about the puppy carnataurus

[compact leaf]

hey at least you can admit when you're mistaken, that puts you ahead of a lot of people

[chilly knot]

A gator would even do much much worse than a saltie

[covert lintel]

eh, it happens

[willow hemlock]

although that was done using a modern map, I'm just going to leave it there though... I don't really want to do the math to measure how far south 2,000 miles would be from South America's position 66mya.

[heady thunder]

It would be 2000 miles from south america

[woeful falcon]

Boy

[willow hemlock]

yeah, then I have to find how far that is from the south pole... and I'd have to do all this on a map of the world 66mya, which probably won't have a handy ruler. welp, I don't think South America has moved all that far North or South all that much. It probably doesn't matter in the end.

[dusky galleon]

I wonder if there is anyone still alive today who saw the spinosaurus holotype in person at the museum in Munich before it was bombed in WWII?

[clever sable]

Salties are significantly larger in both weight and length, it is by no means an even match up

Salties are significantly larger and have a stronger bite

[heady thunder]

Salties are just built different.

[jagged trellis]

could be refering to bulk compared to size which yeah gators are indeed bulkier if the same length, but dunno the meaning before hand

[clever sable]

an Average saltie is triple the weight of an average gator iirc

[somber knoll]

So is the Concavenator being a semi aquatic in game just a thing due to game variety & balance, or is there any credit to it?

[jagged trellis]

game cuz fin

[heady thunder]

I think it lived in some swampy environments, but no theres no proof of swimming

[somber knoll]

also genus named after shark teeth ig

[chilly knot]

Doubt that

[woeful falcon]

Nah Carcharodontosaurus is. And by association, the family Carcharodontosauridae which Conca is part of

[clever sable]

Yeah, Crocs are actually bulkier, people just think gators are because of the wide snout

[chilly knot]

I mean it is defo bulkier than some Crocodylus species, but not salties, muggers or niles for damn sure

[somber knoll]

yeah that's what I meant, dunno if genus is the correct word that I was looking for

[woeful falcon]

Nah genus would be the "Concavenator" part. Family is characterized by the suffix "-idae"

[clever sable]

Eh, idk about Niles, those are pretty bulky but gators are definitely more bulky than Orinocos or American crocodiles

[chilly knot]

I haven't checked but they seem more on par

[jagged trellis]

from what ive gathered only niles and uhh the mugger ones rival em on same length to chonk ratio but hey half the sources are fussing who is 5 pounds bigger if the same length so hmm

[chilly knot]

They surpass gators as well as salties

[jagged trellis]

hmm interesting, not trying to be rude but i do wanna know the source so i can educate myself more seeing ive gotten rather mixed responses normally

[chilly knot]

Not all on hand, one is this extremely based chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GrYLFHH1DE6ecocbIdatOCk7x4NcPUpivqmoIj4wKtg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[glad carbon]

I never said it was an even match up? I just said salties don’t automatically win??? And once you reach a certain bite force threshold the numbers stop mattering when flesh and whatever is being crushed.
If either get bit by eachother it’s detrimental Wether they’re on land or in the water.

[glad carbon]

I said similar not 50/50???? As in both would get clapped
Against a shark by the way, not eachother. And even then the chances are still similar

[clever sable]

You literally said almost an even match up which it most certainly is not, also salties are actually bulkier than gators so you're statement about that is also incorrect, salties are like 3 times as heavy

[glad carbon]

I didn’t say even I said similar????? Where are you getting this, and I retract my statement about bulkiness I meant their jaws.

[clever sable]

You said almost an even match up, it is not almost even, it's heavily in the salties favor

[glad carbon]

To beat a freaking great white? No. Crocs and gators will both lose. Salt water crocodile can’t even get its mouth around an average great white shark let alone an average salt water croc.
Neither will win, what do I look like quantifying which one will lose the hardest???
You think I don’t know salt water crocodiles get bigger?

[clever sable]

The average saltie is larger than the largest recorded American alligator iirc

[chilly knot]

Nah

[clever sable]

Also tbh it depends on a fight with a great white, probably in the great whites favor maybe but if I'm not wrong salties bite harder, faster and are more intelligent

[chilly knot]

How big are average GWS?

[glad carbon]

Are you serious? Oumg I get you’re tryna disagree with me but not only are great whites fully aquatic, swim faster yada yada, their damn battle iq means nothing when they’re being bit and torn to shreds by literal serrated teeth
Crocodilians teeth aren’t made to rip or tear they’re meant to hold on, which means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if their mouths can even fit around them. Bite force means absolutely nothing here.

[clever sable]

Yes but salties teeth would just rip through a great whites fin/other soft parts and saying bite force means absolutely nothing is just wrong

[inner knot]

You been getting trolled all day with this debate bruh 😭

[glad carbon]

That’s if they can even get to the fins. Come on man are you kidding me??

[jagged trellis]

thanks

[clever sable]

It's not completely 1 sided, GW probably would win but even then it wouldn't be easy

[glad carbon]

The probability of a salty winning is below below 40 percent. Might I add winning means KILLING THE SHARK. they aren’t going to bleed out getting bit on the fin, and even if the croc does manage to grab that and rip it off the shark will spin around and literally rip em apart.
Crocs are my fav animals but they aren’t coming out of this alive.
Shark may die later maybe due to infection or not being able to move but still

[chilly knot]

Wouldn't the shark go tonic immobility when the fins off

[clever sable]

Ripping off a fin would be terrible for a shark because it would make moving very difficult, also I believe if a saltie bit a great whites tail that would cause many issues

[glad carbon]

But how would the crocodile even get behind it? They swim way faster, and a bite to the head is completely useless. It’s not like they have a neck to grab.

[clever sable]

A bite to the head of a great white would literally kill the great white

[glad carbon]

Are you joking? You know where their brains are in their skulls right? You see these bone crushing crocodiles all the time, but news flash, sharks don’t have freaking bones bruh

[clever sable]

Getting your head crushed isn't very good for your health of you didn't know

[ancient crystal]

Losing a fin doesn't immediately mean tonic immobility.

Going into shock or being flipped over is the only way for that to happen afaik. Though losing a fin would be devastating for an animal that relies on their fins to keep from sinking.

[clever sable]

Also it's speculated this guy actually lost his arm hunting some sort of shark, it's thought to have been a tiger shark that did it

[chilly knot]

I thought it would instantly flip over when one fin is missing

[glad carbon]

We’re talking about great whites here dude.

[clever sable]

I know, I just felt like sharing the picture because it has to do with sharks and Crocs and I think the picture is cool

[glad carbon]

Seen that pic a million times, crocs are literally my favorite animals but bruh they ain’t coming out of that scuffle alive

[clever sable]

That is an exceptionally large individual, we are talking average VS average

[chilly knot]

On weight parity would be pretty even, but on average the GWS pretty much outsizes

[clever sable]

The fight would definitely be in the sharks favor but it's definitely not an easy win for the shark, I'm giving a saltie like a 35-40% chance of winning

[glad carbon]

And an exceptionally large individual. The person in this comparison isn’t even standing completely up. Even an average great white is clapping a big croc

[clever sable]

The fight here is more a fight about who can land the first bite because neither of these guys would be looking too good after being bit even a single time which the shark would probably be better at because it's more agile in the water

[jagged trellis]

win or lose, the crab watching gets fed, anyways bones

[stuck chasm]

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[pearl briar]

what da deinosuchus is doing ma 💀💀

[clever sable]

Is this petrified wood or just a weird rock or is it something else? I found it a couple miles outside of moab Utah if that helps

[amber dune]

Looks like a rock

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, I doubt its petrified wood

[clever sable]

Any of these look like not just regular rocks?

[amber dune]

Yeah they look like normal rocks

[amber dune]

Top right could be. Obsidian.

[clever sable]

I doubt that it's obsidian, it has a much more metallic texture look up close, I have a bigger chunk of it I found like 90 feet away if you wanna see it

[neat hatch]

Looks like marble rock

[clever sable]

The one on the left really looks like petrified wood inp or something like that imo

[amber dune]

Yeha it does

[amber dune]

Try tapping it on something and see if it sounds hollow

[clever sable]

Sounds solid

[amber dune]

See if it’s smooth all over and check for rings but it could silica-rich rock

[tiny holly]

I doubt any of them are petrified wood. They are some pretty cool rocks, and id be interested to know what specific minerals they are because theyre very pretty. But the trouble with trying to ID petrified wood is that minerals often deposit in a way that looks similar

For reference heres a piece of petrified wood my dad has had for a while. Theyre distinguished by the long, rough striations that look a lot like bark (because they are)

[tiny holly]

If I had to guess I would say the two on the left at the very least may be some sort of quartz? It's a really versatile mineral that can come in a lot of different colours and vary in shape a surprising amount. Plus it's quite a common mineral. I know I have a few different quartz floating around my house here and there that all look pretty different

[tiny holly]

This one on the right though is interesting. Depending in where you got this from I'd almost suggest that weird shape in it is the imprint of a shell. Really common in coastal rocks, or at the very least places where the rocks once were coastal

[clever sable]

I found it in the Colorado/Utah area

I do have a ton of rocks I 100% know are imprint fossils but because I already know what they are I didn't feel like asking

[tiny holly]

They're pretty common and easy to get your hands on, though I gotta say the particular shapes left behind on your piece are really neat. Pretty different from the shapes I'm used to seeing on costal imprint fossils here

[pearl briar]

woah i didn't know dutch van der linde has a petrified wood/rock in his house

[clever sable]

Yeah, after he got to Tahiti he got bored and now he walks around and collects rocks

[simple raven]

Hi! I'm a conservation technician that works in artefact restoration for museums. I don't have a lot of knowledge when it comes to identifying rocks and minerals, but from holding positions in large institutions, I know that a lot of bigger museums allow you to book free appointments for rock identification. You should see if any of your local museums have such a thing! That way professionals can take a closer look and tell you exactly what it is you have found.

[clever sable]

Me when no local museums (I live in rural new Hampshire) thanks anyways though

[simple raven]

Aw that sucks! No worries, though.

[sand silo]

Could people ride dinosaurs like in ARK?? or would their spines break from weight??

[pearl briar]

iirc it depends on what dinosaurs you riding

[heady thunder]

Depends from size, smth like a velociraptor no, a Rex definitely.

[sand silo]

could you actually build a base on a sauropod? probably not, but it's definitely ridable.

[heady thunder]

A little shack probably.

[cunning plank]

I mean, good luck trying to ride a rex without it killing you...

[heady thunder]

Never say never.

[sand silo]

i feel like the most viable realistic mount would probably be hadrosaurs, they got a good back curve for a saddle.

[heady thunder]

Depends on their temperament.
If they behaved like Zebras, good luck lol

[sand silo]

oof

[tiny holly]

Ignoring whether they would let you ride them or not and focusing on if they could hold your weight, it depends. A lot of stuff in ARK is upsized and in reality likely wouldn't hold your weight at all. Any medium sized theropod and above could probably take your weight so long as you're sitting in a well-balanced spot on them. Ornithischians and sauropods too. Though with thyreophorans the question on how you'll fit comes into play, irl stego probably isnt big enough for you sit between the plates comfortably

[vivid ridge]

Yall know any good dino docs?

[heady thunder]

Theres this unknown one called Prehistoric Planet.

[vivid ridge]

Watched it twice

Anything except: WWD,WWM,WWB, Prehistoric planet, WWD3D, Tarbosaurus the mightiest ever 1 and 2, Planet Dinosaur, Dinosaur Revolution, March of the Dinosaurs cause i also watched those

[heady thunder]

You kinda wasted all the good ones. Theres only Dinosaur Planet

[vivid ridge]

That and When dinosaurs roamed america...i kinda ran iut of options

[cinder jewel]

Amazing dino world

[pearl briar]

whispers at romanian night owl
jurassic fight club

[snow python]

Did Eocarcharia had any competition giving that Sarco and Sucho, while larger, they feed on aquatic animals and most abelisaurids were probably smaller than Eo ?

[tough parcel]

No, Sucho and Sarco were also likely feeding on dinosaurs

[steady rock]

You know how horses/donkeys and cammels using biting in combat? IE against dogs or sheep, could hadros do the same?

[heady thunder]

Yes, but just as donkeys use it against stuff smaller then them, so hadro biting smth huge doesnt make sense

[tiny holly]

I dunno, while its difficult to draw exact analogies as there's not really predators on the same scale as equids/large ungulates compared to many theropods being a similar size to their hadrosaur prey, any animal will do whatever it can when cornered. You might try to flee but if they catch up to you and all you can do is bite, you might as well try doing that in a desperate attempt to fend them off

[heady thunder]

As a last resort ofc, but for an opening move? Nah

[tiny holly]

Well no, but I doubt hadrosaurs were the "opening move" sort of animals. Just like ungulates today don't usually start the fight despite the whole "angry herbivores" thing being pushed. If you can run of course that's what you'll choose to do first rather than risk putting yourself in any sort of danger. Hadrosaurs were likely the same

[heady thunder]

Yeah most animals will try to avoid conflict if they can, by opening move I mean, lets say a Rex has an edmonto cornered, I highly doubt the first thing edmonto would try would be "Ima bite it"

[tiny holly]

I dunno, I'd say it depends on which direction the rex is coming from. If its coming from behind obviously not, but from in front? They'd have better reach by biting than any sort of attempt to stomp or kick with their front feet, and would honestly probably hurt more too

Much the same really as how a donkey would probably rather kick with their hind feet because its safer (keeps head out of danger) and a lot stronger. But if its coming at you from the front and you dont have the time to turn around and kick, its bite time

[light osprey]

How’d you guys feel about the Tyrannosaurus / Quetzalcoaltus encounter in episode 5?

[heady thunder]

Goofy.

[flat pond]

A bit eh but I can kind of see it since they were harassing it until it left which seems plausible.

[lunar copper]

AHHH

[sand silo]

That encounter may have been speculative, but it was extremely cool and kinda realistic-ish.

[winter cloud]

Did you guys watch prehistoric planet trex vs quetz quetz actually won the challenge for a body against a trex that's funny

[sand silo]

feels like the game rn lol

[tiny holly]

I liked it. They already proved that tyrannosaurus is a capable and very strong predator with the edmonto hunt scene so its not like this is showing them as weak or anything. It just goes to show that despite how powerful you might be sometimes a fight isnt worth it

[winter cloud]

Which I get 100% it's not like animals have a doctor or disinfectants 1 bite could mean life or death I think that would be cool if the added diseases in pot and maybe you had to take certain steps to heal yourself

[sand silo]

eating a mushroom and salt rock together to cure yourself, for carnivores it's salted fish[ one fish and a salt lick]

[jagged trellis]

surprised it took this long to be mentioned, but was decent, rex fanboys gonna get upset over it but i like how: hey, they can hurt each other, so lets not clash face first, just like actual animals

[night bluff]

pachy's laughing while clashing face first

[sand silo]

ngl the quetz mod feels like this

[woeful falcon]

I wasn't big on it. How I saw it was, they sort've gave Quetz characteristics I would attribute to a smaller flying animal. Quetz isn't small enough to not have to worry about being able to avoid rex, but isn't big enough to do anything significant all to it. Rex "wouldn't risk losing an eye" but Quetz would risk dying instantly? Especially to an adult rex, not one young and inexperienced as well as being much smaller. And to get to the eye it's gotta be near the thing that would kill them instantly, the rex's head. The narration generally felt incongruent with what was happening at that part anyway.

I get the angle they're going for, getting pestered away. Though I'm not really familiar with that with a kill, not with just two animals against one that could kill them by pure accident. Protecting a nest ya I could see

[flat pond]

Yeah it was more just them harassing it until it went away.

[sand silo]

like ravens, really big ravens.

[woeful falcon]

I think unless there were more quetz coming in, I would have expected more for the quetz to wait their turn rather than risk it for the holy grail of biscuits.

[cinder jewel]

We saw an azhdarchid waiting for tarbosaurus to abandon a sauropod kill in season 1. I'm glad we saw an alternative this season.

[lunar copper]

I guess because there were 3 tarbosaurs (or maybe 4?)

[clever sable]

Anyone got an up to date acro skeletal?

[magic jacinth]

I do agree that it wasn't perfect, but I think its within the realm of possibility, even if pushing it. for me I think the situation would of made more sense if they played on the fact that the Rex had eaten his fill, and is not hungry any more, and has not much reason to fight, perhaps they could of made the rex not been a full sized adult or even this was its first time encountering quetz. otherwise, it wasn't perfect, But I dont hate it.

those were for sure some extremely hungry quetz's i guess

[woeful falcon]

I think if it was a younger rex I would have been more lenient

Not necessarily a juvie but like, visibly younger. Or like you said, the rex had eaten its fill and didn't want to deal with it

[magic jacinth]

yea, the situation they are in is within the realm of possibility, but the reasoning was perhaps not the best.

[compact leaf]

he did say that the rex was probably just going to come back, it’s not worth the hassle of driving them off when you could lose an eye and they’re not even going to make a dent in the carcass

[magic jacinth]

true, but they made it seem more like he will return when the danger passes and he is allowed a turn not cause he is full already and couldnt care less. its pretty minimal thing to be annoyed with IK but im not hating or anything

[heady thunder]

What danger tho? Getting a back scratch?

[magic jacinth]

im confident if rex was hungry it would of been worth the hassle. ever seen a apex predator charge in on mid sized pack animals, like lions on hyenas, they do not care when hungry.

[light osprey]

I’m not too bothered Tyrannosaurus left, probably can’t calculate the mass of the 5 meter tall Pterosaurs so as far as it knows, they are just as big as him

[compact leaf]

getting an eye poked out, it just takes one lucky hit to do some serious damage

[woeful falcon]

Except it wasn't deterred by the size

It was deterred because it was getting pecked at

[magic jacinth]

good point, I was actually hoping they explained this more and had the quetz's doing more intimidation and bluffing, rather then full on squaring up. I'd imagine a unexperienced rex seeing a quetz stretch its wings and screaming would be uhhh..freaky...

[light osprey]

Oh the pecks true pain

[heady thunder]

So, the rex is afraid of losing an eye, while the pterosaurs which they said was a clumsy air acrobat didnt care that one lucky hit from the guy would sent it to the shadow realm?

[magic jacinth]

the quetzs for sure could of used more bluffing style intimidation rather then BRO OUR PECKS ARE DEADLY TO REX

[light osprey]

Don’t think we’ve ever had a predator dynamic like the one with Tyrannosaurus and Quetzalcoatlus

[compact leaf]

they were keeping their distance for the most part, I’m not saying it was done perfectly but they wouldn’t have had much trouble getting out of range in time even with running

[woeful falcon]

Well the thing is, chance of getting its eye poked out is low especially since they were barely aiming for the eye

Aiming for the eye comes with its own risk, like being bit. Which is relatively easier for the rex to accomplish. Quetz is a bigger target. A single bite is all it would take to devestate, if not outright kill, a quetz

[magic jacinth]

honestly if there was like 5 quetzs swarming , we probably wouldnt be having a issue with the danger issue. idk maybe lets put my head close to the head of the rex to peck its eye out, simply could not go wrong for me

[light osprey]

T rex got a little pissy and decided big birb wasn’t worth the trouble

[woeful falcon]

If it was 5 I also wouldn't have been as critical bc that probably would be overbearing amount of pecking

[heady thunder]

Didnt even have to be a bite, if the rex swung its head and hit quetz at any part of the body, it would hurt quetz way more then the pecks combined

[magic jacinth]

bro has just eaten his fill and couldnt care less fr fr

[compact leaf]

that risk is enough for a lot of things, the quetz has an 8 foot reach with its beak, animals get irritated too it’s not that weird that it would just leave and come back it’s a sauropod carcass it’s gonna be there a while

[magic jacinth]

would sort of remind me vultures swarming predators, though if preds are still hungry they typically just get scared off. but predators who are full typically give up after a while for sure.

[light osprey]

Ngl if I was a Tyrannosaurus, I would’ve never taken that amount of disrespect

[magic jacinth]

to be fair , the same thing could be true for quetz. which makes me once again say its about how hungry and willing they are to defend a kill. rather then simply being outmatched , like why quetz not just stand around until rex is done, that make sense too. clearly someone was hungrier then the other imo

[compact leaf]

yeah for the rex it’s really not a loss to move out of the risk and come back later it’s not worth losing an eye, maybe the quetz have done this sort of thing before too and they know they can pull it off if they’re irritating enough

[woeful falcon]

It's less about the rex's capacity to be annoyed and more about would a quetz even dare that. The notion that it would be undeterred by an adult Tyrannosaurus

Its between losing your eye vs dying instantly

[magic jacinth]

maybe the quetzs would of never tried that unless the rex had already eaten, let alone so he is full and less likely to fight, they probably needed him to open it up too. could of just been circling above for the past hour watching him...idk

so they know he has eaten, they know he is less likely to fight. not worth jackals do similar stuff to lions and hyenas ext judging when is a good time to make a steal yes i know they dont intimidate them

[compact leaf]

there’s a couple reasons they could have tried it I don’t think they would try it without either previous experience or knowing the rex has already eaten, they were clearly fast enough to stay out of its range without many problems though and they didn’t get really close until they started pecking him from the air

[night bluff]

Well to be fair, losing an eye when you are highly visual in predation is a very slow death sentence. I agree with the prior notion of it may have just been to risky, surviving serious wounds is more or less a human trait, it's otherwise rare or at least uncommon other animals.

[woeful falcon]

I think also there really shouldn't be much focus on the "going for the eye" bit of the narration bc the quetz didn't really go for the eye at all. They were attacking its back

[heady thunder]

Wasnt there a Rex who survived with half its tail gone? I dont think one experienced adult Trex would give two hoots for two quetzes making noise

[magic jacinth]

Thats also very true, birds of prey will often give up meals to much smaller birds simply cause its not worth the harassment or damaged feathers, but will then also have no issue going toe to toe with there own species for mating or territory

[woeful falcon]

Ye

Tyrannosaurus also engage in face biting

[compact leaf]

losing part of the tail is a lot different from potentially losing an eye, for a visual predator losing an eye is a lot more debilitating

[night bluff]

Either way I just enjoy these hypothetical nature encounters. The more we go into the ecology of that era the better cause it's cool as hell.

[magic jacinth]

Honestly considering how much food rex could probably eat, mammal or reptile, they all end up just laying their for days digesting you can bet a full T rex was lethargic af

[light osprey]

Extremely relatable

[woeful falcon]

This would all be fair if the quetz were targeting its eye at all

[heady thunder]

Losing half the tail is also extremely limiting, that basically makes balancing and hunting twice as hard.

[jagged trellis]

ah look what i started, anyways tbf those are mirror match ups vs something with differing build so its more wonky, also yeah losing part of ya tail isn't AS comparable to losing ya eye even with both costs

[light osprey]

I feel I like it ain’t even the most exciting part of the episode, the real head turner is 10 ton Triceratops . Wonder who came up with that colourful estimation

[bold kraken]

Y’all are really arguing this 😂

[magic jacinth]

Someone also made the point that rex would have not been obviously as good as a human at knowing dimensions VS volume and how that 100% works with weight. So of course the quetzs for sure would of seemed similar size to him in every way im sure

[compact leaf]

that fossil hasn’t been studied very well yet first off, but what we have seen of it makes it seem like it didn’t live very long after the injury

[magic jacinth]

Not at all, its a nice discussion about possible behaviours

[heady thunder]

Arent there 12 ton trike estimates, or are those just wild speculations?

[tough parcel]

Good thing it wasn't an injury no sign of healing, so it was removed post-mortem most likely

[light osprey]

Never heard of it, 😳

[bold kraken]

It’s people complaining that Rex didn’t want to lose its eye

[night bluff]

Wouldn't that be something though, gigantism in a triceratops?

[magic jacinth]

I dont see it that way, conversation has been pretty civil, no ones complaining

[compact leaf]

ah I just knew there was no evidence of healing, I guess there can’t be evidence of healing if there’s no injury in the first place lmao

[woeful falcon]

This would also be fair if the rex was intimidated by the quetz

But it wasn't. It charged them

[tough parcel]

Me when people criticize PP (This is illegal and cannot be done)

[light osprey]

👆

[bold kraken]

Fair enough

[compact leaf]

either way I don’t think it’s that deep of an issue, there’s more exciting things in the episode to focus on anyway imo

[magic jacinth]

Well fair, it obviously wasnt 100% intimidated, its a rex. But point being he didn't fully understand he could fold them like a lawn chair maybe

[heady thunder]

The one criticism I have for PP is that they dont really handle the violence that well, like, a big nanuqsaurus bit the frail ormithomimus and shook it around, and there was like, no blood? No visible injury, like they killed it with a lethal injection.

[light osprey]

The fact that Nemegt formation is always depicted as a desert in PhP

[bold kraken]

Remember man Rex is king of the dinosaurs it’s incapable of taking any Ls

[compact leaf]

the bigger issue I have is that they lowball my poor sauropods lifespan estimate

[light osprey]

That scene had me teary eyed though, idk why just reminded me of when a good pet dies

[jagged trellis]

how low, i wanna know, saw the rex fuss at quetz for contesting a body, but what'd they say bout muh longnecks estimated time of arrival

[night bluff]

Large herbivores always send off big friend energy.

[magic jacinth]

its not a issue at all, just a very interesting depiction i think, sorry if people thought we were complaining , its a awesome scene

[woeful falcon]

I wish there was a better showcase of rex's stages. Like I thought a subadult or a large juvenile would be cool

I actually thought that would happen with the pachy's

[compact leaf]

I was really happy with the way they handled him dying, it wasn’t some traumatic event he just laid down and passed on

[light osprey]

Very sweet moment

[magic jacinth]

That scene would of been so good for a inexperienced sub adult

[bold kraken]

They’ve given a lot of love to Sauropods which is awesome. As a Pterosaur guy I am mad happy with the representation. Especially with Hatzegopteryx

[woeful falcon]

Hell even a young adult would have been nice

[light osprey]

Tethydraco didn’t get a return very sad

[compact leaf]

they have the old alamo at around 70, we know they got at least into the 50s because we have one that was at least 50 and kept going for a while before it died, just based on size it’s not out of the question for them to have made it past 100

[magic jacinth]

I could imagine the difference emotions we would get from the dinos at different life stages and how they handle encounters

[jagged trellis]

bruh

[light osprey]

At least we have good shots of an adult Alcione now

[compact leaf]

before someone says I’m using the old sauropod lifespan estimates I’m not, long lifespans in big animals isn’t always based on metabolism, we’re finding that in a lot of cases it’s actually closely tied to cancer

[magic jacinth]

They were just being conservative, its not like they said they couldn't get any older did they (? honestly i dont remember) that particular individual just didn't make it past 70, though i guess thats implying a general age limit.

[heady thunder]

Boi was tired of life

[compact leaf]

as animals get huge they have to have really good dna repair mechanisms to deal with the increased risk of cancer, we don’t understand exactly how it works but long lifespan basically comes as a side effect of their bodies repairing itself so well (it’s why we see it in elephants, whales, and large reptiles)

[light osprey]

70 years too short?

[magic jacinth]

Tbh I have little knowledge of sauropods but i was also surprised that 70 was the age chosen.

[jagged trellis]

and then that albatross who is like what 72 and still trucking, let alone other animals so yeah that is a low ball

[light osprey]

Animal age go brr, I don’t mind him dying young, still had me wanting to pet him like he’s an old dog or something 😭

[compact leaf]

a longer lifespan also helps counteract high baby mortality, the longer you live the more babies you can pump out

[magic jacinth]

Yea even tortoises can live well over 150

Imagine having to eat almost non stop for over a hundred years as a sauropod

[burnt abyss]

why is my game still not updated i havent played in like 1 month because of it

[heady thunder]

Paleo moment

[ancient crystal]

This is the wrong channel, but have you tried manually updating the game? Idk how it could just not update without something going wrong on the device you play on

[weak osprey]

I feel like Prehistoric Planet has a giant hard on for mosasaurs, like I love mosasaurs but oh my god we don't need to have one appear in almost every episode, especially when half the time it's the same mosasaur species appearing again and again.
(don't know why this was sent as a response)

[cinder jewel]

Does Darren naish specialize in mosasaurs or something? He's their consultant so it could be influence from him

[magic jacinth]

It definitely took the spotlight in some cases, i think the issue more so was that the episodes weren't super long, and the editing at times felt like it was going from one dino back to another. Very quickly sometimes

[weak osprey]

Sort of, I wouldn't say he specializes in them, but it is clear that he does like them a lot (he wrote a book about marine reptiles recently, so).

[magic jacinth]

The amount of accuracy and high quality models/animations, i pretty well still enjoyed seeing mosasaur. For me the one thing i felt they really rushed over was ammonites, they just threw a bunch of different species at you and you had like a minute to see em. Idk wasn't very in depth

The mosa ambush hunt was very well done.

[weak osprey]

My two biggest complaints with the new season is the episode time being cut down, and the rehashing of old episodes. I feel like this season was built off of old extra footage and cut content planned for season 1, so maybe if we get a 3rd season it will be different. I feel like the worst case of this is badlands, which felt like a watered down version of the deserts episode.

[magic jacinth]

I wouldn't say you are totally wrong, it did at times feel like a rehashing ( though im not tired of it yet) and the episodes could be much longer so they arent rushing through encounters. perhaps they have plans to make many seasons though and the shorter format is a result of that

[weak osprey]

I also would've liked to have seen more mundane everyday behaviors like in the first season, as much as I like seeing the hunts I feel like there wasn't enough generic animal behaviors, which were really interesting to see in season 1.

[magic jacinth]

I really enjoyed the herbivorous croc scenes , forget his name lol

[sage cave]

Simosuchus?

(I think)

[magic jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-prehistoric-planet-2-simosuchus-gif-16613161849453679072

[sage cave]

They r so silly

[weak osprey]

My episode rankings for season 2:

1. Islands
2. North America
3. Swamps
4. Oceans
5. Badlands

Close between swamps and oceans, but I put swamps above it just because oceans felt kinda empty, with most segments only showing one or two creatures.

Also loved the Tyrannosaurus hunting scene at the end of swamps, showed off how effective of a predator Tyrannosaurus was, without making the Edmontosaurus feel like a walking sack of meat, having it fight back and nearly escape before the second Tyrannosaur comes in to help take it down.

[nocturne cairn]

i'd say the case for badlands is more because they are very similar environments anyway, badlands is just more specific than the general deserts

[heady thunder]

Oceans lack of sharks saddened me

[light osprey]

the greatest marine predator of all time - prehistoric planet very 5 seconds

[weak osprey]

don't forget The largest predator on the planet...

[light osprey]

Mosasaurus Hoffmannii

[stiff osprey]

To be fair, it was the largest, at the time

[cut to "the greatest marine predator of all time" shuddering when megalodon shows up]

[weak osprey]

even when referring to smaller mosasaur species, they NEED to mention that mosasaurs were the largest predators of their time

[light osprey]

Ah yes Globidens, a relative of the giant Mosasaurus

[weak osprey]

Did love that they did a fairly interesting study for it though, but I guess it was just confirming what we already speculated for years.

[stiff osprey]

I do love that T.rex being scared off by two tall chickens was immediately followed by Attenborough saying Globidens (a crocodile sized mosasaur) has no rivals

...bro, other mosasaurs exist

[light osprey]

Wrong, every single Mosasaur is gigantic

[white matrix]

Most cursed video I was ever recommended 💀

https://youtube.com/shorts/t4GqYQb7W6o?feature=share

[weak osprey]

I didn't like how they acted like the rex left because the quetz were dangerous, mentioning that "one peck could take an eye" like yeah one bite from the rex could take the quetz's life. The rex got up and left because it had already ate a bunch and it just wasn't worth the scuffle for the small amount of food the quetz's would eat.

Also found it amusing the quetz's used the "fly above them to avoid their attack hitbox and peck" strategy on the rex

[light osprey]

Mark Witton Pterosaur bias

[white matrix]

They would break their necks faster than peck that rex.

[weak osprey]

It's like if that video of the cheetah letting the vultures have it's kill had david attenborough going "The cheetah retreats, because the vultures could tear it to shreds"

"With a single peck, the vulture could tear the cheetah's anus inside out, so it must be careful"

anyway, I hope if prehistoric planet 3 happens, we get to see the jurassic, where they can meatride pliosaurs for its entirety.

[ancient crystal]

I don't know why anyone is surprised the quetz won... it's in the description of the episode that the quetzes intimidate the rex

[weak osprey]

its not that it won, it's the way that it was framed

[light osprey]

[weak osprey]

"it is the second greatest marine predator of all time"

[light osprey]

PhP somehow a bigger Mosasaurus meatrider than me

[stiff osprey]

We knew it was coming, it's still dumb

The Rex backing off makes sense as it had already eaten. But the Quetz pair were completely suicidal for no reason, because there would still be like 79 tons of meat left when the rex filled its stomach and went to sleep or something

[pearl briar]

Alternative Ending:

[tough parcel]

They just like me frfr

[pearl briar]

ugh if only rex could jump no matter how many tons he weigh, he sure can solo those 2 quetz

[weak osprey]

If it plans on staying in the cretaceous, the aptian is probably the best place to go next. You got Acrocanthosaurus, Yutyrannus, Sachicasaurus, Suchomimus (if they dare to include a spinosaurid), Fukuiraptor, Microraptor, Deinonychus, Tenontosaurus, Borealopelta (my beloved), Malawisaurus, Nigersaurus, Ouranosaurus, Tyrannotitan, Giraffatitan, and carcharadontosaurus. They would also be able to dodge Spinosaurus by a few million years so they would be safe from having to deal with that.

[woeful falcon]

No I want Das and Gorgo

Chasmosaurus, Sty, Para

Give

[stiff osprey]

I never realized Acro, Yuty, Sucho and Deinon all existed at the same time

But Giraffatitan and Tyrannotitan can't show up, Giraffatitan is Jurassic and TTT is Albian

[trim crag]

Prehistoric Planet S3 Cenozoic...

[weak osprey]

Didn't Giraffatitan stick around until the end of the aptian? I thought it lived up to 145 mya?

[stiff osprey]

Yeah but the Aptian starts like 125 mya

[light osprey]

Nah, more Maastrichtian

[woeful falcon]

[junior dawn]

wouldnt mind more maastrichtian if they focused on all new creatures instead of the same again

but id rather see a different time

[woeful falcon]

Can't do jurassic tho

[light osprey]

everything will be at the very end of the Maastrichtian

[weak osprey]

Tyrannotitan lived 120-100 mya did it not?

[cloud dagger]

Permian could be cool or carboniferous

[covert lintel]

i don't mind seeing more cretaceous stuff, but i'd like to see slightly earlier cretaceous if so. mostly for my boy spinosaurus

[light osprey]

Somewhere between there

[weak osprey]

Season 3 will switch it up by leaving the late maastrichtian, and heading to the early maastrichtian

[light osprey]

Best I can offer is more late Maastrichtian, with the exact same Laramidian Dinosaurs we keep seeing.

[chilly knot]

Cenomanian best fr fr

[covert lintel]

triassic might be kinda neat. lots of weirdos back then, i'd love to see 'em in high-quality CGI

[weak osprey]

We already had dreadnoughtus and those 2 plesiosaur species, thats enough southern dinosaurs.

[weak osprey]

Shastasaurus MUST appear (and tanystropheus)

[lapis heath]

This one you can see some sort of shell Imprint on the bottom

[light osprey]

North America 🇺🇸

[weak osprey]

Tithonian and Aptian are probably the 2 biggest contenders for a hypothetical season 3 (Unless they feel like the Maastrichtian hasn't been milked dry)

Also can't wait for the names of the environments to become more bizzare as the series goes on, featuring episodes titles Archipelagoes, Alluvial Fans, Peninsulas, Drainage Basins, and Isthmuses

[stiff osprey]

The Abyss episode where every animal featured is a speculative deep sea relative we have no fossils from

[light osprey]

M a a s t r i c h t i a n

[compact leaf]

if they move farther back they’ll probably either go with specific continents and formations or just redo the main environments

[stiff osprey]

Doing it continent/formation by formation would be better honestly. Teaches people more about how the prehistoric world looked like than just lumping similar environments together

[compact leaf]

yeah that would be a good one, and you could probably pack more dinosaurs into it that way too

[rose thorn]

If they stick with the Maastrichtian, would a Sinoceratops segment be feasible?

[stiff osprey]

Sino is Campanian I believe

The Campanian would make for an epic season 3 if they're working backwards into the Mesozoic

[compact leaf]

campanian would be really good

but yeah sino is campanian

[clever sable]

I want prehistoric planet during the Triassic period, it has so many cool creatures that nobody talks about

Also, what would you say is the most accurate 3D rex mount?

[little mauve]

Aptian seems like a good choice for the next time jump, they can cover the Yixian fauna and whatnot. Would love Jurassic & Triassic seasons as well

[light osprey]

Way too hopeful for different time periods, it’s time that Prehistoric Planet explored Maastrichtian North America smh. Very underrepresented region

[compact leaf]

we spent so much time in maastrichtian north america and still never got to see ankylosaurus or anzu

[light osprey]

I think Ankylosaurus did get a cameo in season 1?

[compact leaf]

was it ankylosaurus or anodontosaurus that got the cameo? I remember one of them getting it but not getting specifically named

[white matrix]

I think it was anodontosaurus. Anky was with rex, right?

[light osprey]

Yeah it was Anodontosaurus

[stiff osprey]

Anky, Thesc, Denversaurus, Leptoceratops, and teenage rex are all missing despite all the hell creek segments

[compact leaf]

don't forget about my sweet weirdo anzu

and also the dromaeosaurids but those are a bit of a mess right now so I can't blame them for leaving those out

[jagged trellis]

wrong channel and perhaps

[viscid jungle]

My bad

[clever sable]

The 2 best theropod models imo (Sue is a little too chunky due to the gastralia in the mount it's based on being placed backwards at the time the started sculpting)

[viscid surge]

It’s pretty crazy how huge some dinosaurs were

IMO PHP should move on from the Maastrichtian just so that we can see more of the Mesozoic 👍

[sudden wind]

Nah, gotta move to the Pleistocene.

[still prairie]

I wanna see the Mid Jurassic

[viscid surge]

Early Cretaceous with spino would be nice tbf

[heady thunder]

Triassic

[tranquil quartz]

Carboniferous would be insane

[frosty cedar]

Yeah.

I would like to see all prehistoric eras tbh. 3 seasons on each.

[viscid surge]

Of course, they’ll never do spino because they cant model it. Little mf never keeps still 💀

[frosty cedar]

If spino keeps changing, I would still like to see him.

Maybe based on Dan Folkes' reconstruction. Or something similar.

[tranquil quartz]

Maybe they could do Suchomimus or Baryonx but Spinosaurus would probably undergo metamorphosis and change its whole bodily structure the next day if an episode releases featuring it

[still prairie]

I wanna see mono for once .Like fr the closest I got was dinosaur Revolution and it was the replaced with Sinraptor who wasn't even with Shuno. Not to mention a scrapped sequence between it and Darwinopterus and Agilisaurus

[tranquil quartz]

Really just want concavenator or altispinax

[still prairie]

Looks kinda shrink wrapped around the legs

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-gif-5023039

[white matrix]

Those legs look like toothpicks.. Should they not be bit chunkier?

[tranquil quartz]

Bro skipped leg day all his life

[tough parcel]

Could perhaps use a small chonkening, but skeletals are meant to showcase minimum amount of stuff (I do agree, it seems thin tho)

[viscid surge]

Those legs must be made of titanium because otherwise i don’t think spino would even be able to stand up

[frosty cedar]

He was levitating.

[viscid surge]

[frosty cedar]

The legs are just a trick that spino pulled off so we get confused. It's all just a gigantic ammount of trolling.

[heady thunder]

I bet spino had those short bodybuilder legs

[frosty cedar]

So he didn't skip the leg day after all.

[still prairie]

I mean spino is just getting nerfed in real life.It couldn't swim that well if at all and it certainly ain't catching anything with its size Meanwhile rex is now from a weight perspective bigger can swim albeit not dive and has a bite that could crush spiny's sail like glass

[frosty cedar]

Spino just couldn't do anything. Even walk.

[hollow pendant]

I hope PoT’s spino model will become accurate after its rework

[tranquil quartz]

Paper in 2 years gonna be detailing how Spino slithered instead

[frosty cedar]

Nah, he obviously moved like a caterpilar. If levitation theory turns out to be incorrect.

[still prairie]

Ironically nobody would play the thing when everyone realised how bad it was at life

[hollow pendant]

True

[frosty cedar]

What if spinosaurus was good at not living?

[viscid surge]

At this point if all the spino bones turned out to be fake I wouldn’t be surprised 💀

[tranquil quartz]

Unlikely the bones are still real because they share resemblance to other spinosaurids

[tough parcel]

Spinosaurus was 100% good at living considering it managed to (allegedly) hop continents, though I doubt this

[frosty cedar]

Maybe it's the case and paleonthologists are taking us for fools just for lols.

[still prairie]

Though Oxalaia is an entirely different can of worms

[frosty cedar]

All jokes aside, obviously it was a very sucsessful animal.

[tranquil quartz]

bro specked into the fishing skill one too many times though

[frosty cedar]

My guy wasted ALL his skill points on the "fishing" branch, and everything else is level 0. (skill issue)

[tranquil quartz]

Suchomimus on the other hand got his arse handed to him by Sarcosuchus so frequently he learnt not to speck into the fully aquatic lifestyle and instead opt into terrestrial tactics after it got bullied out of the water

[still prairie]

I mean humans evolved just to be smart and we can't really do any thing else

[heady thunder]

And still couldnt swim

[tranquil quartz]

What do you mean we cant do anything else? I dont think anything else can make an atomic bomb

[frosty cedar]

big monke brain (that doesn't work properly)

[frosty cedar]

Obvious skill issue. Very unexpirienced gamer.

[still prairie]

I mean we can't do much on the physical scale. We can't exactly run fast, we can't jump that high and then some more

[tranquil quartz]

I mean we cant run fast but we have the mechanics of sweating as compared to other animals that have to sit and rest to regain stamina we can just keep on chasing after things whilst something like a lion couldnt

[still prairie]

Damn. Now that i think about it humans are pretty damn broken when you consider we can make weapons only we can reliably stop

[tranquil quartz]

How have you only just released how broken humans are? Even when we didnt have guns we pretty much drove the majority of the cenozoic megafauna to extinction with wooden spears and rocks

[still prairie]

I think that's cus I'm a sub optimal human lol

[clever sable]

Tbf at the time Africa and south America were connected iirc so it wouldn't have been a very major hop

[clever sable]

Incorrect, we can sweat which actually makes humans very good at recovering stamina in a short amount of time, sweating is very rare but also very important, it makes humans great endurance hunters, at least humans who are in good shape and know how to track

[cloud dagger]

How can a modern homo sapiens survive out in the wilds without supermarkets, fridges, tvs, computers and smartphones, guns, cars or anything lol. All the respect for those hunter-gatherers and similar that still exists

[tranquil quartz]

Even without acknowledging sweating our brains are already so op

[sand silo]

what if dinosaurs had common names?? I.e felines-tigers, lynxes and lions.

[frail robin]

Any thoughts of the Quetzalcoatlus vs T.Rex fight on the North America episode of PhP?

[sand silo]

that happened yesterday

[tranquil quartz]

What do you mean common names? T.rex?

[sand silo]

yup or spikebacks, common saberclaw[kentrosaurus and utahraptor]

[tranquil quartz]

Pretty sure its easier to just call it Kentrosaurus

[tough parcel]

It is , I see no reason we should give prehistoric "common" names when their scientific names (and abbreviations) tend to be much simpler than the ones people come up with

[sand silo]

soooooo, i guess game terms of dinos work well as common names[allo,kentro and sty]

[digital ice]

Hiii is there an issue with argentinosaurus mod??

[tough parcel]

#modding for your troubles

[tranquil quartz]

You’d also have to acknowledge a name like spikeback specifically referring to Kentro wouldn’t make sense since a lot of other stegosaurids share the same appearance .

[still prairie]

Eastern spikeback?

[light osprey]

I’d imagine even addressing particular species, a lot of dinosaurs use regional species derived names so you’d have something like “Mongolian Velociraptor”

[stiff osprey]

the majority of animal common names come from native humans that interacted with them, so we lack the familiarity to make up common names for dinosaurs

unless we go and ask the native peoples of each location dinosaur fossils were found what they would call the animal

which would be... an effort

[light osprey]

[eager skiff]

Is T. Horridus or T. Prorsus bigger? And whats both size and weight?

[pearl briar]

actually i have a leak about spino final form 😅☝️, should i send it here?

[clever sable]

Horridus

[eager skiff]

Ok

[chilly knot]

Afaik we are the best endurance runners (30 minutes jogging kills me help)

[tranquil quartz]

Is it that seal thing

[compact leaf]

there are a few things better than us, pronghorn are the only one that comes to mind off the top of my head

[tranquil quartz]

Pronghorns are insane

[compact leaf]

they really are, they’re overlooked a lot for some reason

[unborn bane]

Please keep all conversations on topic. This channel is for the discussion of past and present paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to palaeontology.

[pearl briar]

both male & female spino's final form reaches 60 meters in height & weight around 25.000 tons

[tranquil quartz]

Camels are petty overlooked aswell can travel of up to speeds around 10 mph for about 16 hours and can travel 190 miles in 2 days

[light osprey]

Real

[white matrix]

Nah actually giga was at least 2 feet long at adult

[heady thunder]

What are the max size estimates for pliosaurus funkei?

[jagged trellis]

mildly big

[white matrix]

At least 4 feet

[trim crag]

hyenas, wolves and african wild dogs too

[tranquil quartz]

? Why reply

[light osprey]

Rather distinctly un-small

[white matrix]

No

[tranquil quartz]

what

[white matrix]

Were crocs the biggest animals to survive the KT extinction?

[stiff osprey]

Either crocs or mackerel sharks

[earnest saffron]

What dinosaur is this

[woeful falcon]

Sigilmassasaurus

[light osprey]

A spinosaurine

[white matrix]

Should i buy Ichthyovenator teeth. I want a professional opinion.

[stiff osprey]

What you're buying is probably not really Ichthyovenator teeth, since only 1 skeleton was discovered with no skull

[white matrix]

L thanks for letting me know. I'll be reporting the store for false product. Atleast i got a Dromaeosaur rib bone and few raptor teeth.

Edit: a 4.18 inch Spino tooth on sale lets goo.

[silver canopy]

Bone Pharoah Loves All Fossils

[heady thunder]

Spino teeth, let me guess, 200$?

[white matrix]

I keep on hearing this, googling for more info, and then seeing ppl say that humans are good endurance runners, but it’s not like our ancestral hunting method. I wish there was like some concrete studies I could go to but it’s kinda hard to run a marathon against other animals cause you can’t exactly tell them you’re running a marathon

[white matrix]

Originally $290 now $260. Sucho teeth are also on sale but im skeptic on those ones.

[earnest saffron]

I was wanting you to get it wrong 😦

[woeful falcon]

:/

[frosty siren]

my luck i would've misspelled it :/

[nova socket]

Behold, my stuff. A spinosaurus tooth.

[earnest saffron]

Omg

[nova socket]

It’s a back tooth of a spinosaurus aegypticus FROM Egypt. It’s a more recent find. I bought it 10 years ago with my savings from working a paper route in 2009 to 2012. I thought it would be a good investment. Boy was I wrong.

[woeful falcon]

That sounds about par for the course lol

[nova socket]

Tell me about it.

The box is the only atrocious part. I got it at goodwill because it would fit behind an electric socket’s plate.

[weary yoke]

Went to a museum today, one of the videos is a Ceratosaurs fighting a Stegosaurus.

[rare parrot]

https://youtu.be/KY5ArW3Ncfoguys, there’s some new information about a dinosaur related to Tyrannosaurus it’s really interesting

by the way, this is a joke. Do not take this seriously

[trim crag]

Is that the Smithsonian?

Oh yeah it is, I just found my pic from when I went in February

[devout imp]

I know a few dinos

[stuck chasm]

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[devout imp]

Oh ok sorry my bad

[pearl briar]

how pterosaurs sleeps & sits?

[steady rock]

With their eyes closed

[pearl briar]

uhm yeah
how animal sleeps?

[cloud dagger]

Some animals can sleep with eyes open and while standing too and we probably will never know the exact way how prehistoric life slept

[tiny holly]

We do sometimes have an idea how, when we find a fossil of one mid-sleep. Mei long is a pretty famous example of this, and is an insight on how small theropods like this may have slept

As for pterosaurs, I don't have a screenshot on hand but the way Prehistoric Planet handled the quetz sleeping next to its nest in that segment is a pretty likely way some of them amy have slept. Despite how ungainly and awkward all those limbs look considering the wing membrane can actually fold/tuck in quite a bit they would have been able to fold in their wings quite a bit for sitting and sleeping.

[snow python]

Is Dravidosaurus a stegosaurian or it was reclassified as a plesiosaur?

[white matrix]

Those are really sick! Beautiful fossils

[pearl briar]

mei long sounds like a chinese girl name ngl

[tiny holly]

From what I've seen it's safe to say for now that it can't definitively be placed as either, because it's very much been an active debate and there hasn't really been a decent consensus. At the very least it does actually seem decently likely it's an ornthiscian, although classification beyond that, in particular as specific as stegosaurian, it's more debatable.

All that being said it being a stegosaur isn't too farfetched because we do have footprints of what seems to be a stegosaur extending into the late cretaceous. What seems pretty likely imo is just that their diversity took a big hit at the end of the jurassic/start of the cretaceous, and their numbers and diversity continued to dwindle until the late cretaceous where they were rare enough that very few ever fossilised (and also may have lived in environments that aren't conductive to fossilization)

What examples like jakapil show is that the fossil record is very very patchy and its pretty easy for certain lineages to survive beyond what we thought they did and simply not show up for us

[weary yoke]

Yup

[flat pond]

How accurate is this depiction of Tylosaurus?

[frosty cedar]

I'd say pretty accurate. In all of those short films I have seen all creatures look fairly accurate.

[neat drum]

Iirc tylo is slightly more potbellied but otherwise excellent

[flat pond]

Interesting. Then I hope the in game Tylosaurus looks like this with the colors too.

[heady thunder]

Shouldnt the head be a bit thicker?

[flat pond]

From what I’ve seen, probably not since it did live alongside Mosasaurus so a slender head would have given it more options to prey on. But it could be just me thinking that.

[compact leaf]

do you have a paper or something for those footprints? I haven’t heard of it before but it sounds really interesting

[tiny holly]

Not on hand cus im in bed, but look up deltapodus. Its the most late surviving potential stegosaurian, though not the only somewhat late footprints iirc

[compact leaf]

cool thanks

[white matrix]

We have a stegosaur from the yixian

[flat pond]

Meanwhile just chilling with PhP Tyrannosaurus

[frigid coral]

kinda reminds me of Mark Wittons paleoart

[true urchin]

Where is this from?

[heady thunder]

Dinosauria yt series, great watch, HIGHLY recommend

[flat pond]

Dinosauria

[true urchin]

Oh is there a new episode?

[heady thunder]

No, but this is an already existing episode

[snow python]

How heavy was Austroraptor?

[light osprey]

I wonder why

[frigid coral]

not like they were one of the main people on the team or anything

[honest wave]

Guess who got to visit the Field Museum today

I’ve looked at plenty of datasets, diagrams, and individual bones from quetz before, but nothing compares to actually standing in front of a full-sized hyperrealistic model. Downright awe inspiring.

[tranquil quartz]

Really gives a sense of how crazy Azhdarchids were

[light osprey]

I’m general we need some more hyper realistic models of extinct fauna.

[nocturne cairn]

It's nice to see it in person but the view from the front of the head is still a bit goofy lol

[silver canopy]

Fun Fact: Leedsic Probably Fast

[lucid pier]

Question for you folks; do y’all know of any pterosaurs found in Africa that aren’t just fragmentary remains of vertebrae or femurs?

[woeful falcon]

What a position to have it in, like it's about to fall over

[honest wave]

You got games on your phone?

On the topic of “more hyperrealistic models”

If my death was by the beak of a quetzalcoatlus, I would die happy knowing I died the raddest death one could have. Jokes aside, I was genuinely having to fight tears at how amazing these animals once were.

[tranquil quartz]

death by Tyrannotitan would be majestic ngl

[silver canopy]

Death By Pelegornis

[pearl briar]

gulped
ok that makes me think
are we in azhdarchids like quetz & hatz's menu?
because if yes, what will you do when you encountering one?

[woeful falcon]

Shoot it

[pearl briar]

did i see smth?

[light osprey]

Still waiting for a full Alamosaurus model smh

[rose thorn]

We would if they still lived among us yes

[clever sable]

Maybe not quetz but definitely hatz, although quetz probably would still eat us it just probably wouldn't be as common as a hatz eating us

[pearl vortex]

I dont see any reason why quetz wouldnt eat us

[amber dune]

Do you think the theropods are as chatty like the birds are today?

[frigid coral]

some

[ripe ruin]

Too big and boney
A human would probably get lodged in a quetz throat

[woeful falcon]

don't need to eat us whole it don't

[honest wave]

it's possible, most animals are far chattier than people realize

[bronze citrus]

Lol