paleontology

[trim crag]

Bengal cats are really cool though, iirc they have some Leopard cat genes in them (not to be confused with actual leopards, leopard cats are small and are in the Prionailurus genus)

I do not support the hybridization of wildcats with domestic cats though

[ancient crystal]

Again. Just call sharks "sea wolves/dogs" its a term that already has a basis in history and takes the implied harmlessness out of the name that "sea puppy" invokes.

[trim crag]

I believe Blue sharks have the nickname of "sea wolves" but so do orcas, sea lions and even a population of wolves that lives in British Columbia

[weak osprey]

I feel "torpedo puppy" gives the sense of curious but dangerous nature present in sharks. (while remaining a comical nickname)

[woeful falcon]

what are these cringe extant animals I require distant and extinct animals!

blue sharks are neat. I find them to be my oldest shark in memory because a book I had as a little one had a blue shark on the cover

[trim crag]

imagine liking bones over living animals couldn't be me 😎

[ancient crystal]

Blue sharks are really cool, such a shame that I cannot for the life of my find out when they first evolved

[woeful falcon]

what is a living animal but one waiting to be bones 😎

[trim crag]

Touché, but seriously this chat should just become a biology chat since this is where the only extensive biological discussions happen, #animals-or-pets is basically just a pet image posting thread

[woeful falcon]

you know what we need is more spinosaurid material. they're arguably the most interesting group of dinosaurs with each new discovery making them that much more interesting. but with such a limited fossil record we can only know so much

[trim crag]

it's Hitlers fault, he started WW2 causing those spino bones to be destroyed, although I have always wondered why most spinosaurid remains are so fragmentary

[woeful falcon]

you know when I said that I didn't anticipate the first few words I'd read after would be "it's hitlers fault" but I mean you're not wrong

[trim crag]

My brother's a history buff so whenever I talk about dinosaurs with him he brings that up, it's basically stamped into my brain now whenever someone mentions spinosaurids 😹

[woeful falcon]

huge spinosaurid discoveries these past 20 years, and I'm hoping that continues. they certainly have a lot to tell

its crazy when you think about how spinosaurids transformed throughout history, not only from just uncovering new material but seeing how the general morphology of these animals varied between genera

[trim crag]

Baryonyx > Suchomimus that's all I have to say

[woeful falcon]

I can't even weigh in I like them both equally

though I do think Sucho's head is cooler

and of course I need to gush a bit about this, the remodel for sucho captures it wonderfully. I couldn't have imagined it better

[main acorn]

Ichthyovenator > all other spinosaurids, lets be real..

[pearl briar]

spino slam

[woven vortex]

Or sigil

[white matrix]

I come back to this chat to be greeted with ppl absolutely going in on each other over dogs and sharks biting stuff WTH does that even have to do with paleontology?

[light osprey]

Paleo-chat moment

[viscid surge]

Im never gonna forget that phase when half the palaeontology community thought quetz could barely fly 💀

[cinder jewel]

Sort of related. It's interesting that we've never found evidence of a flightless pterosaur. Birds have done it thousands of times. Pterosaurs never tried it once?

[viscid surge]

Theres a couple, i think Balaur on Hatzeg island is an example but lemme check

[cinder jewel]

Isn't balaur a bird?

[viscid surge]

Yeah youre right its a bird i think

It probably happened at some point but just not to quetz and hatz 💀

[somber tartan]

Coolest sounding dinosaur name in your opinion 😎: tyrannotitan for me

[indigo canopy]

well do we know how dinosaurs sounded? no thatsd a stupid question

[somber tartan]

I mean the names 💀 not the actual sounds they make

[indigo canopy]

well tylosaurus

[tough parcel]

I'm sorry, they very very clearly said they were looking for coolest sounding dinosaur name, there is no confusion to be had my guy

[cinder jewel]

Dracorex was an incredibly cool name. Shame it's not valid.

Something about the name Teratophoneus really sticks out to me.

[trim crag]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-donald-trump-thats-wrong-incorrect-not-true-gif-16723530

[main acorn]

Impossible

[trim crag]

Baryonyx sweep

[indigo canopy]

@cinder jewel whats funny about my mistake

[viscid surge]

Saurophaganax is pretty good tbh

[somber tartan]

There’s also maip macrothorax 👀👀👀 dope sounding name frfr

[snow python]

which are metriacanthosaurus latest size estimates: 8m and 1 t?

[cinder jewel]

I have absolutely no idea what in my comment could be taken this way?

[indigo canopy]

you reacted with the to the falcon guys message so whats so funny about mymistake?

[cinder jewel]

Nothing about your comment and everything about his wording of the response.

[white matrix]

[white matrix]

nigersaurus

[tulip dove]

Dynamoterror

[indigo canopy]

very funnny

[tough parcel]

Tyrannosaurus rex is a good ol' classic, goes hard as heck

[somber tartan]

I will admit as much as I dislike Rex, pretty dope name

[covert lintel]

i think dreadnoughtus and sauroposeidon both have real cool names

[cloud dagger]

Ubirajara is a cool name too

[tough parcel]

Why doth thou dislike T. rex, it is such a based and epic theropod ever

[cloud dagger]

nothing special about rex lol

[elfin pulsar]

Rex is the Mario of dinosaurs wdym

[cinder jewel]

I mean there are lots of things that are special about rex tbh. But it does get overhyped

[elfin pulsar]

Rex is the dinosaur of all time

[tiny holly]

The way I'll always put it is that while it is a shame that rex sometimes steals the spotlight when there are lots of other very interesting dinosaurs to talk about, rex is still very interesting and neat itself and is incredibly well-understood by dinosaur standards.

[chilly knot]

[somber tartan]

I’ve said why so many times man 💀 over popularized and there’s much more interesting animals than it

[tough parcel]

I will politely disagree, but if that's your opinion, you may keep it

[indigo canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/bla-bla-bla-talk-to-the-hand-talkative-yeah-yeah-yeah-talking-gif-16361565

[tulip dove]

Rex is an amazing animal, but people should stop thinking that it was some unkillable god, sure it was a force of nature, but still got clapped by stuff that it preyed on in its environment

[indigo canopy]

doesnt matter really,

[somber tartan]

I find spinosaurus way more interesting, such a mystery that people still can’t decide what the hell it was like

[west drum]

Rex is mid, you know what’s better??? Stegourous

[trim crag]

i love megaraptorans

nooo the reply didnt work

[tulip dove]

Sauropods stomping the competition (I love giant sauropods)

[indigo canopy]

dryptosaurus is cooler

[somber tartan]

You’re all WRONG!!! Psittacosaurus is 🔛🔝

[trim crag]

Also on the rex discussion while I do agree that it is definitely one of the most overrated animals ever it certainly has a ton of interesting discoveries aside from being "giant killer of death"

[indigo canopy]

ok thats over now

[trim crag]

I see it similarly to lions or tigers or jaguars, a lot of people who fanboy over them only like them because they're the largest and most powerful land predators in their respective environments without taking into account how they play a role in their environment and their interesting behaviors

[indigo canopy]

bro we get the point, move on

[cinder jewel]

This artwork is absolutely amazing. Assuming it's meant to be Death from Puss in Boots. If not, that's a hell of a coincidence

[trim crag]

Yeah it's meant to be a reference to that lol (not mine ofc)

[indigo canopy]

no its meant to be mario and luigi, what else lol

[west drum]

chill out, who hurt you

[trim crag]

Dude woke up and chose hatred and corruption, if we wanna talk about cool animals in a public thread we will

[west drum]

We’re trying to have a nice conversation but you keep making remarks >:[

[indigo canopy]

im not hurt but its blantant obvious thats death and the dude acts like its something else

[trim crag]

Also please do correct me if I'm wrong but didn't T. rex fill most of the predatory roles in Hell Creek due to it's different morphology throughout it's life stages? Or is that just some pseudoscientific myth I heard

[stiff osprey]

most of the predatory niches above 60kg are filled by various ages of T.rex yea

[trim crag]

What other predators lived in Hell Creek? forgive my ignorance as I don't know much about Mezosoic ecosystems compared to Cenozoic

[tulip dove]

Btw, anyone have an up to date Acrocanthosaurus skeletal?

[ancient crystal]

[stiff osprey]

various lizards and birds, the only other decent sized predators are Acheroraptor, ''Dakotaraptor'', Borealosuchus and Thoracosaurus

edit: also Palaeosaniwa and Champsosaurus if those get big enough

[sacred girder]

A reminder to please remain polite and respectful of other members while in conversation

[indigo canopy]

just use beagliams updated acro holy

[compact leaf]

simply the best dinosaurs

[tulip dove]

Oh great, yeah sure, if I could even find it

[tough parcel]

I gotchu, gimme a sec

[tough parcel]

@tulip dove Here's the skeletal and here's my reconstruction (the suggested soft tissue amount) as Beagliam, while a decent skeletal artist, tends to make his animals chonky which ain't a problem, he's just a bit new

[trim crag]

everything's bigger in Texas

[tulip dove]

Thanks Gualicho and Lamborlobator

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-staring-black-guy-gif-24920795

[trim crag]

WHAT THE, Mammalia emoji moment

[covert lintel]

if you know what the skeletal is then surely it couldn't've been that hard to simply send it

[eager skiff]

Does anyone know eotriceratops size and weight?

[heady thunder]

Did the two edmonto species coexist or were they live in separate environments/time periods?

[tough parcel]

Separate times and environments afaik

[covert lintel]

yeah i recall them being pretty separated chronologically

[heady thunder]

Was the bigger species older or younger chronologically?

[tough parcel]

They seem to be about the same size(?)

[trim crag]

What was the largest Mezosoic arthropod?

[heady thunder]

Wasnt annectens bigger then regalis by a decent margain or is that just wrong?

[tough parcel]

Dunno, it looks like both species have specimen(s) at the same size

[heady thunder]

Huh, neat

[compact leaf]

on average I think annectens is a bit bigger but the upper sizes for both are pretty similar

[light osprey]

I think Annectens is generally larger.

[trim crag]

@white matrix why are you laughing at me

[stiff osprey]

Gigatitan is mesozoic but pre-dinosaurs I believe
foot long mantis thing

[frosty fulcrum]

Hello, yes, why is pycnon so thicc but so light?

Were abeliosaurids just fairly light when it comes to bone density?

[woeful falcon]

because the video game isn't necessarily going by real life as far as gameplay is concerned

[stiff osprey]

I've no idea how much pycno weighs ingame, or if it's accurate. But abelisaurids are quite thin in the front half, so they're lighter than say a tyrannosaur would be at the same length

[vocal breach]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-gif-24418217

[jagged trellis]

Up close the argent but with headshots and fair bit of range, the human tho headshots would be abit difficult

[sage cave]

Show me ur favorite skeletals

(I’m collecting them for art references)

[light osprey]

You don’t need to shoot it in the head to kill it, it ain’t a video game. A high velocity projectile of that size will kill the animal regardless of where you shoot it.

[clever sable]

Judging by what torpedoes do to whales I don't think you would need to land a headshot

If anything aiming for the torso would be better because it would probably cause it's ribs to explode and definitely heavy damage to it's lungs and other internal organs because it would just blow a Crater in the side of it

[woeful falcon]

What a wild discussion

[jagged trellis]

Eh dunno seeing thick skin plus its a explosive, not a raw object to stay intact, also torpedos are bigger and more powerful if going on basics of em, also man you have not seen some animals

[light osprey]

This is such a silly topic

[clever sable]

Do you understand how incredibly powerful explosions are, they can literally blow through thick concrete walls, and I'm not talking about huge explosions I'm talking about standard shoulder mounted rocket launcher

[woeful falcon]

Explosions not being powerful because it doesn't remain intact is a new layer of silly added onto this already silly discussion

I don't think a sauropod is going to feel too good after getting hit by a missile

Large animals are crazy durable sure but we aren't exactly firing missiles at them usually

[light osprey]

Look at it 🫵

[jagged trellis]

Yes i am aware, we are still talking about a building sized animal also blub thats not how its more or less powerful lmao, just dispersal of it also man mobile is pain to effectively reply

[woeful falcon]

Then why even mention that it is an explosive not remaining intact at all

Ofc it doesn't remain intact its not just puncturing something it is exploding, blowing something up

[clever sable]

It wouldn't need to blow up the entire animal it would just need to blow a large hole in it to cause extensive bleeding, broken bones and damaged organs

[somber knoll]

Modern version of BB

[woeful falcon]

we destroy buildings with explosives

That happens in literal demolition

[light osprey]

Real science > this awesomebro-science conversation

[clever sable]

This is the most relevant And important paleontology discussion of all time

[jagged trellis]

....far larger amounts to do so, i don't get this end seeing how the amount is not being compared correctly

[light osprey]

Let’s talk about how well the PT Mosasaurus model holds up to the new GDI. Truly gonna be one of the best mods (if they can adjust the fenestra-esq feature infront of the orbit.

[clever sable]

No, not really it doesn't take much, quarter sticks of dynamite blow massive holes into the ground and a quarter stick of dynamite is significantly weaker than a rocket fired from a shoulder mounted launcher

[woeful falcon]

And an animal is not as strong as a building

They're not invincible dude.

I'll do you one better then, aim for the leg. You will blow its leg apart and probably kill it

[jagged trellis]

Yeah in softer areas and amounts vs a mid sized building @woeful falcon never said they were and do agree on it but no one is giving a amount to judge after the very first statement

[clever sable]

Even an rpg (which by shoulder mounted rocket launcher standards isn't that strong) has a lethal blast radius of 4 meters and can blow a hole through 2 feet of solid concrete

[woeful falcon]

The point of bringing up them being the size of buildings is mute

We destroy buildings. We certainly can blow holes in them with missiles. A sauropod would just face a more gruesome and painful version of the same result

[clever sable]

Even though the argent wouldn't drop to the ground the second it was hit it still wouldn't last very long after getting hit

[jagged trellis]

Its not gonna magically implode but would certainly die after a few direct hits or one in more lethal spots @woeful falcon ....yeah, again never disagreed seeing it'd be coping and building comp is both in its not instantly dead and just raw size, unless you bring stupidly beefy ordeals

[light osprey]

POV - Paleo-chat seeing a discussion about killing dinosaurs with giant guns

[clever sable]

It wouldn't implode it would get a massive crater blown into it and would die of blood loss and organ failure, it would take 1 shot

[elfin pulsar]

It’s an animal not a monster, it’s dying to an attack like that lol

[clever sable]

Yeah, it's not Godzilla

[light osprey]

Hypo spino face

[jagged trellis]

Which i literally said in a lethal spot, no one has disagreed on it

[woeful falcon]

You suggested to go for a headshot and that up close the argent would win

[clever sable]

It wouldn't take an especially lethal spot like the head or neck, it would die from a single shot to the main body

[winter grove]

mods pls stop him his awesomebro attitude is pissing me off

[woeful falcon]

Idk what person isnt going for a lethal spot also

[light osprey]

[jagged trellis]

If the person was out in direct line of it, yes they would die and a headshot seeing its a confirmed death

[woeful falcon]

Yeah if the person was under the argentinosaurus's foot I'd give it to the argentinosaurus too

[light osprey]

You can shoot any animal anywhere with a rocket launcher, it will die

[clever sable]

A rocket launcher could probably kill a Blue whale

[light osprey]

Blood loss.

[woeful falcon]

In fact what lunatic is firing an explosive at a close range target

[somber knoll]

A whale wouldn't die from a rocket launcher since it would probably fail to detonate or even launch underwater

Checkmate

[clever sable]

Maybe you could hit it while it was coming up for air

[elfin pulsar]

Explosives seem pretty inefficient at close range I have to agree there

[somber knoll]

That's dishonourable

[light osprey]

Sharp horned Albertosaurines, what do ya think

[jagged trellis]

Or near the tail but its a example of the raw ordeal, also there are folks who aren't very bright but that is such a huge variable, also kinda funny someone who hasn't been in the convo just auto locks, god mobile is pain to have a convo with, anyways seeing its literally the same point, someone mentioned could dinos feel emotion

[clever sable]

They are efficient, it's just likely you would also get blown up

[elfin pulsar]

No way really???

[light osprey]

The family is Tyrannosauridae, but there’s three of sub-families within it

[elfin pulsar]

Guanlong is the best one

[woeful falcon]

If you're not an insane person aiming for the head, you aim for its legs, crippling it so it inevitably dies either from starvation or blood loss, not accounting for potential damage to the vital organs

Sauropods aren't impervious flesh walls. There discussions over 😄

[elfin pulsar]

I have no idea, but he’s the best

[jagged trellis]

Basically

[light osprey]

Guanlong is a proceratosaur

[west drum]

Yutyrannus is one of the most interesting animals in the Mesozoic.. the biggest confirmed feathered carnivore(?)

[tough parcel]

It’s the largest confirmed feathered animal

[light osprey]

technically

[west drum]

ahh, that makes sense. I was thinking deinocheirus was bigger but it doesn’t technically have feathers, right? It’s more like hairs

ah, just wanted to make sure, thank you

[tough parcel]

No, Deinocheirus would have feathers, but it’s not confirmed

[light osprey]

Tyrannosaurinae, Alioramini, Albertosaurinae

[weak osprey]

Plausable, and also very sexy

[steady rock]

the only dinosaur that is survivng bullets are ankylosaurids

[clever sable]

Tbh some bullets probably would kill an anky like the 700 nitro Express

[steady rock]

oh, i thought like, a pistol

[clever sable]

We were actually talking about rocket launchers

[sage cave]

Pls

[light osprey]

Here

[jagged trellis]

to be fair: yeah, tho the test which had the whole thing put to it was wonky from what ive heard so that one is a big: at basics yeah but dunno how far, ANYWAYS someone mentioned dinos feeling love, which the answer is probably

[dry birch]

Hi guys

Does anyone here play the path of Titans game? I'm playing on mobile, and I would like some help. I'm new to the whole experience

[proud perch]

You can ask for help with Path of Titans on mobile by asking in #mobile-help

[dry birch]

Sorry I forgot oh Damm it

Okay dm

[cloud dagger]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuvuuia#/media/File%3AShuvuuia_skeletal_Headden.jpg dunno how accurate this is but I like that long tail lol

[sage cave]

Oo thank u

If anyone has others pls ping me!

Is this accurate? Spino seems way too big

[tough parcel]

It’s not accurate in the slightest

[sage cave]

I figured, giga also seems a tad large but I’m not to familiar with its sizing

[jagged trellis]

to be fair giga got upsized and is around rex size currently, spoon is 2012 mode over there tho

[stiff osprey]

Weirdly enough Giga's and rex's length is both correct. the masses are bad just because this was before the GDI era, where every theropod was assumed to be made of balloons

[sage cave]

Bruh how am I supposed to know

[stiff osprey]

nothing in the chart really looks off at first glance - except titan spino that is

[sage cave]

Im not too educated on this stuff yet I’m still learning, I also have a hard time w tone over text so

[woeful falcon]

No spino looks like that in current year will be your first clue in

[sage cave]

Nah ur good dw

[woeful falcon]

Ancient and gross

[woeful falcon]

These are my favorites

[compact leaf]

I don't have a favorite recent one because all of the decent brachiosaurus skeletals are like 10 years old

[weak osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-wtf-look-stare-suspicious-gif-17701383

[dry birch]

882-629-794

[ocean brook]

Any1 know the difference between gorgo and alberto, or are there none?

[steady rock]

could stellar sea cows do what these manatee's are doing in this video? https://twitter.com/WowTerrifying/status/1659128062124998656

Wow Terrifying (@WowTerrifying)

What is happening here....

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[weak osprey]

Gorgo is a bit more robust (and is a bit larger overall), with both it's skull and body. Gorgo's chest cavity is much deeper, and the animal is overall larger. Alberto is a bit leaner in it's build, with a smaller body but longer legs. Alberto has a proportionally larger femur but a narrower tibia, and an ischium that is shorter and curves down a bit more. There are more differences, but those are just some general ones.

[vocal breach]

Also it’s illegal to blow up whales

[woeful falcon]

I think that would go without saying for that discussion

[clever sable]

That's highly outdated

[sage cave]

Why r we still talking about shooting animals bru 💀

[vocal breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924516024454361110/1108603560691781632/uncaption.gif

[clever sable]

Because talking about if a shoulder mounted rocket launcher could kill an argent is fun

[sage cave]

It’s not paleo plus it’s messed up to be like “yeah let’s talk about wanting to test out guns on animals and kill them!” Like cmon

Take it somewhere else fr

[elfin pulsar]

It’s not much of a question anyways, it’s an obvious answer

Btw what is guanlong classified as again

[sage cave]

Let’s just not talk about it anymore ??

[jagged trellis]

mostly yeah, still funny someone pulled out a awesome bro card and then dipped

[elfin pulsar]

I saw someone say proceratosaurid but idk

[compact leaf]

it is a proceratosaurid last I checked

[sage cave]

Idk but give me more skeletals raaaghhhh

[elfin pulsar]

Ty ty

[jagged trellis]

🦴

[light osprey]

👍

[sage cave]

Oops

[chilly knot]

[sage cave]

Oooooo fancy

[clever sable]

How do you guys feel about crocodilians and their relatives? My personal favorites are sarcosuchus and purussaurus (I know sarcosuchus isn't a crocodilian)

[sage cave]

Do you have a suchomimus skeletal?

[sage cave]

I love you (thank you)

[white matrix]

So we do have all of it’s bones?

[stoic tinsel]

no

[covert lintel]

no, that reconstruction is based on related animals in the areas where there's no known material from the animal itself

[white matrix]

Ohh!

[sage cave]

(Someone posted this in pt server)

[covert crane]

peters thinks that his intrusive thoughts are facts

[sage cave]

I don’t think anyone here does LMAO

[covert lintel]

i think it'd be cool if we stopped attributing conspiracy theories to mental illnesses and instead recognized that anyone can be like this if they're confidently stupid enough

[clever sable]

People may think rex was a scavenger, people may think that we 100% know how spino lived, nobody thinks anything David Peters says is accurate

[sage cave]

I don’t think they meant it as in “he’s mentally insane!”

It’s just insane in general
(Nvm LOL)

[jagged trellis]

he wants attention for the wrong things and folks give it to him so the cycle repeats

[covert lintel]

regardless of whether it Technically Fits, it still reeks of "this guy holds very scientifically incorrect ideas, He's Gotta Be Mentally Ill!" . literally just use another word it costs $0

[deft sigil]

Please remember while taking part in paleo discussion:
While critique is acceptable, paleo chat is not a place to make fun of or insult other people's art or depictions, and debates are not an excuse to insult another member of the community or to be disrespectful.

[sage cave]

Ty koala

[clever sable]

Ok

[worn jasper]

Nobody tell Peters about convergent evolution, nothing good can come of it

[eager skiff]

Apparently there was a new tyrannosaurus rex skeleton found in 2023 that would be 16-18 tons? Can anyone confirm? Cuz i dont have a source and js heard it from ppl

[compact leaf]

theoretical max for the species is usually around 12 tons, 16-18 is breaching into small sauropod territory

[eager skiff]

Alright

[ancient crystal]

I think you may be referring to Maximus, which got auctioned off early in the year. Unfortunately the specimen's estimated measurements were most likely overstated to make it sell better.

[eager skiff]

Alrighty

[magic jacinth]

anyone got info or educated conjecture on deltadromeus and its fossil interpretation, as far as I know, no skull has ever been found yet its almost always depicted with a extremely small almost gallimimus like head, and very small squamate like teeth. occasionally find a art depiction with a allosaurus looking head attached to it. is there anyway to actually know without finding the skull itself?

[tiny holly]

It's actual classification and where it fits within theropods is..... very much debated. This is why you see very different depictions of its head shape because the different clades it tends to get placed in have very different head shapes.

Most recent conjecture though places it as a noasaurid, so that small gallimimus-like head you see is the more accurate one. Noasaurids were..... strange.

We don't know with any certainty where deltadromeus is though so take it with a grain of salt. All of the recent studies do place it within noasauridae though (its placement within noasauridae is of course still contested though lol)

[magic jacinth]

thanks, this puts it in perspective a bit more as to why its depicted that way, Going to for sure look into noasaurids and what they are all about. it would be so awesome if one day a delta was dug up with it head attached!

maybe having a tiny skull would favor it not being preserved very well. but i doubt thats the reason we haven't found one

[woeful falcon]

that's an Elaphrosaurine too. Noasaurids are wild in that you have those like Elaphrosaurus, and then you have the other subfamily, the Noasaurines, with ones like Masiakasaurus

[pearl briar]

https://twitter.com/EJR_Paleo_MSc/status/1659423782774218752?t=c5spmISHr2kDyEyGIilLQA&s=19

Evan Johnson-Ransom (@EJR_Paleo_MSc)

#Spinosaurus tooth puncture experiment in @mwestneat’s Biomechanics class. Special thanks to @TylerKeillor for making the tooth mold, @linnealungstrom for facilitating the experiment, and Matthew Chen for taking the video. #Dinosaurs #Paleontology #FossilFriday

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[keen forum]

ah btw alberto has been updated since then

[woeful falcon]

Aye. A new gorgo skeletal had also been made since, albeit not Random's

[pearl briar]

if i got smilodon populator length from 2.2 meters
what is smilodon populator most up-to-date weight?

[main acorn]

Guys... Therizinosaurus. Herbivore or omnivore?

I dont know how accurate any of this is, but it got me confused because it says strictly herbivore, then it says omnivore when i press on it. But its on fandom so i dont particularly trust it

[pearl briar]

herbivores iirc

[main acorn]

Iirc?

[heady thunder]

If I recall correctly

[stiff osprey]

100% herbivore. Some early therizinosaurs may have been omni but by the time of T.cheloniformis they're fully herbivorous

[little mauve]

They even reversed their pubic bones like ornithiscians to fit that big plant processing gut

[main acorn]

Alright

[pearl briar]

ehehehe 😄

[amber dune]

Im sure some dinosaurs could show parental love and some could’ve mated for life

[stiff osprey]

Some definitely would have cared for their mates and young. Would that be considered love? Idk if we have any way to research that

[amber dune]

Yeha i think caring for your mate or offspring is a type of affection which could be considered love

Some dinosaurs died protecting their young from what their fossils show

[tranquil quartz]

Was there any carnivorous ornithiscians?

[stiff osprey]

mmmmaybe silesaurids. But more advanced ornithischians no

[clever sable]

Possibly liaoningosaurus as we found fossilized fish inside of one

[compact leaf]

it looks more like the fish just happened to die in its body cavity rather than it actually eating them

[barren compass]

Does anyone have an accurate picture of Ceratosaurus for a reference?

[barren compass]

tyvm 🙏

[keen forum]

np

[amber zinc]

cera mass glowup?

[weak osprey]

cerato was the original murder sausage

[covert lintel]

less of a sausage, more of a billboard. or like. a vertical pancake.

[woeful falcon]

Pamcake

[white matrix]

Ceracake.

[sage cave]

Surely the belly would be thicker

Bro got that hourglass 💀

Like that?

[covert lintel]

tbf a lot of theropods (and a fair chunk of ornithischians too, i think?) have a sorta hourglass shape viewed from above, it's just more extreme with cera because it's already built like a road sign

[sage cave]

Huh that’s weird

[stiff osprey]

It avoids chafing when the animal's running, because the leg slides forward over that pinch in the ribcage

often the ribs at the back are the shortest as well

[weak osprey]

Wasn't that exaggerated though, as that shape is assuming the legs move back and forth perfectly straight (which is unlikely)

[woeful falcon]

from Dan's website. this is the second time I posted something of his for it to have gotten an update without realizing lol.

[stiff osprey]

well it isn't perfectly straight, as the femur rotates forward it also has to bow out slightly, precisely because the ribcage widens towards the middle

might have exaggerated it myself but

[tough parcel]

Real and true

[stiff osprey]

mmmm lizard motion

[weak osprey]

Just a problem of reconstructing skeletals in unnatural poses, rather than in more natural stances.

Quick screenshot of the cerato in the game; you can see the ribs narrow to make room for the legs to move, but there isn't an unnatural pinchpoint as the animal is in a natural position.

[amber dune]

Shouldn’t sarco have more of a gallop run then the run it has now?

[tough parcel]

No, it shouldn't even be able to run period considering its size

[amber dune]

Oh fr?

[tough parcel]

Yarp, way too big (the largest crocodiles even today can't gallop)

[trim crag]

not entirely sure but iirc the average is 500-700 lbs with 900+ being the max

[dense thicket]

Ya’ll rate JWD giga from 1 to 10 ignore the fact that it is not accurate

[white matrix]

4 movie monster look doesn't fit it at all

[weak osprey]

4 aswell

[elfin pulsar]

2-3

[jagged trellis]

prolly 3.5, acted chill but otherwise went against what they said and the movies goal

[weak osprey]

Very generic, not necessarily ugly, but just boring.

[white matrix]

Yeah I agree with pinapl it just seems a bit boring and the movie it did nothing wrong and still was considered the "villain"

[dense thicket]

And how about in terms of looks? Not accuracy or behaviour

[pearl briar]

1-5 (ig)

[jagged trellis]

like even ignoring accuracy it looks diseased, which could have been cool if they used that as a plot point.....which they didn't, so like a 1

[stiff osprey]

I like the Giga's face on its own, inaccuracy aside it does look fairly JP ish. The rest of the body is really lumpy and ugly

[pearl briar]

we do beefing with jwd giga troll smile

[clever sable]

Running isn't out of the picture but it definitely couldn't run down a sucho but it could probably run as it was only like 4.3 tons

[clever sable]

1 because it's just straight up ugly and taking Paleo accuracy into account it's like -60

[stiff osprey]

Crocs can't run above 500 kg or so, so a 4 tonne Sarco can definitely not run

[clever sable]

Well that's because in average they aren't that big, if something is that large on average it probably would have adaptations to assist it and for a croc of it's size it does have relatively large ish legs, definitely not an efficient run though, probably more like a mildly fast crawl

Definitely nothing like it's crawl in POT

[stiff osprey]

With crocs all having relatively short legs and the legs being sprawled, that really cuts their athletic ability

A fast crawl could work, but it would definitely make Sarco the slowest animal in game lol

[clever sable]

Except like Kai and Sachi, it would definitely go faster than them on land because realistically Sachi probably wouldn't even be able to move on land and it would probably just be crushed under it's own weight

[chilly knot]

Doubt that Kaiwhakea would or could crawl on land either

[woeful falcon]

I feel like that goes without saying

[stiff osprey]

I forgot the aquatics can crawl too 💀

Not just Sachi, Kai would probably be screwed if it got more than a few meters from water

[clever sable]

Kai would be in a horrible position if it got on land

I feel like something around as fast as defense deino runs would be about how fast sarco should move on land, maybe slightly faster and deino, I don't even wanna think about how slow deino would be on land

[ancient crystal]

Wouldn't sachi crush itself under its own weight if it tried crawling on land?

[covert lintel]

"ignore the fact that it's inaccurate" my friend, we are in the palaeo accuracy channel

[woeful falcon]

true lol

[clever sable]

Yes it would and Kai probably would aswell

[glad carbon]

They wouldn’t need to spend that much time on land, or enough time to adapt somethin to walk or “run” faster. Not like they’re “running” from much except other sarcos, and the fast crawl would probably be faster than any attempt they’d make to gallop. A belly drag would be pretty fast too
And it’s not like they chase stuff to hunt either.

[light osprey]

Very lovely movement, wondering what the fellas think

[weak osprey]

Very nice to see a mosasaur swimming where it doesn't needlessly thrash its body back and forth.

[trim crag]

10, love the design (yeah i know its inaccurate but it looks so cool) and that it acted like an actually curious animal that had never seen people before rather than a bloodthirsty monster, only thing I didn't like is that they said it's the largest carnivore the world has ever seen where there are several fish and mammals that were/are carnivorous and larger

[jagged trellis]

( and also dinosaurs seeing spino was originally bigger and still bigger in canon lmao)

[stiff osprey]

It does deserve credit for being perhaps the most animalistic "villain" of the JW movies, despite Trevorrow calling it the Joker

still ugly tho

[trim crag]

say what you will but the Scorpios Rex had a great design. Instead of being sleek and effective it was uncoordinated and looked deform, which is what a true horror-based hybrid should look like

[stiff osprey]

Scorpius is the best hybrid this franchise has produced. Could've done without the launchable poison quills but still

[trim crag]

Agreed, the poison quills were just a ooo edgy addon but everything else was great

[ancient crystal]

When the childrens show does horror better than the films

[pearl briar]

am i the only one who thinks that saurophaganax appeared in jurassic world as indominus rex?
neither think that megaraptor appeared in jurassic world fallen kingdom
as indoraptor...

[stuck chasm]

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[trim crag]

so does that mean we cant talk about the JW hybrids?

[woeful falcon]

Probably not the only one but, I wouldn't agree either. Indoraptor has very little similarities with actual megaraptorans and is very clearly a fictional creature, especially since it is directly based on another fictional creature.

I would say this goes for Indominus too. It doesn't resemble a Saurophaganax, not to mention Indominus dwarfs it. It's larger than Tyrannosaurus. Saurophaganax isn't. It's just entirely fictional and wouldn't liken it to an actual Saurophaganax outside of maybe like, resembling an allosauroid.

Like, I can't even pretend to mix these up

[woeful falcon]

Probably as they are completely fictional, unless you tie it to paleontological discussion. A mod is within their right to remove my posts but I think my response to angy's question was on topic. It's not solely talking about the hybrids or the film.

[covert lintel]

if so, those designs would be super far from the real animals, even by JW standards. doesn't seem likely

[light osprey]

JW really was a missed opportunity to do what the original Spielberg film did so long ago.

[woeful falcon]

I won't speak for Indominus because it sort of, well, doesn't really resemble any of what it's supposedly made up of. But Indoraptor's design clearly is based on a dromaeosaurid rather than a megaraptorid. Nothing makes that more obvious than the sickle claw

[amber dune]

Yeah the indominus wasn’t explain well cuz apparently it had other things then the T. rex and raptor, it also had some cuddle fish in it. That’s why It was able to camouflage.

[stiff osprey]

Indominus's DNA had like 20 different things when you went to look for outside movie material. I remember there were like 5 identical abelisaurs for some reason

[woeful falcon]

And it looks like none of them!

[amber dune]

They probably just wanted to make a white Dino with red eyes and a edgy background story

[steady rock]

Just learned steller sea cows were to fat to sink/full submerge themselves under water

[woeful falcon]

@obtuse goblet Dan Folkes has an image of exactly what you are asking for, luckily

Spinosaurus has length over the other giants, height if you count the sail (I wouldn't). But giga and rex are both much larger (more massive) and more comparable to each other.

[obtuse goblet]

gotcha, ty

[jagged trellis]

basically spoon is stretched, rex is chonk and giga got the chin

[woeful falcon]

Rex might also look the smallest here, but its deceptive because its just a 2D image of their sides. Rex is wide.

[white matrix]

Rex is quite thicc

[light osprey]

I wonder if some of these other large carcharodontosaurs would need reanalyses of mass? I think only the three got the big re-estimations

[obtuse goblet]

yeah giga looks much bigger in this for some reason

[woeful falcon]

Deeper torso. It also is genuinely a massive animal too, the estimate of the largest Giga rivals the largest rex

[white matrix]

Not sure how accurate this chart is but it gives a good idea of the chonkiness comparison

[obtuse goblet]

thicc as hell damn

[mystic sluice]

kinda look like frogs from this angle

[woeful falcon]

Whatever ones weren't reconstructed with Meraxes elements yet. This would mainly be Carcharodontosaurines also I think

[white matrix]

And I believe most of Rex's chonk was pure muscle, kinda like hippos

[light osprey]

Would that be an increase in mass for the fellas?

[woeful falcon]

I couldn't tell ya. But giga's mass increase comes from recently obtained measurements of the dentary specimen, which allowed for the estimate of 10.4 tonnes

[light osprey]

I guess we will see what becomes of Carcharodontosaurus.

[woeful falcon]

It might have gotten an increase when reconstructed with Meraxes as well, but I don't remember.

[light osprey]

Ugh mass estimates . At least I can be confident in that Mosasaurus GDI, wondering how t. Proriger compares now.

[white matrix]

I think one of the most interesting when it comes to mass estimates is Quetz

[woeful falcon]

I quite like Dan's Carch. I don't care for the Giga. I think his giga will inevitably change again for one reason or another.

[white matrix]

This artwork (credit in the piece) shows what I mean

[light osprey]

Got to be lean if you’re gonna be 5 meters tall and flying about lol.

[woeful falcon]

Such wild animals. So huge, so relatively light for their dimensions. And yet they fly.

[light osprey]

A personal favorite.

[white matrix]

And yet some Quetz players get upset over dying to Rex

[woeful falcon]

Can't not rep my boi sergi too

[ancient crystal]

Soo many quetz players are mad about how "bad" it is, its kind of sad they were expecting a flying rex killer honestly.

[white matrix]

It's like getting upset over Compy not doing any damage

[ancient crystal]

its equally sad that the baseline for how good a mod is, is if it can kill a rex or not

[light osprey]

I beg of Matt to not take extraneous liberties with Hatzegopteryx’s size 😭

[ancient crystal]

If they do I just hope they make a red skin so I can make rodan

[white matrix]

I feel like Allo and Alberta might be the better baselines if combat is used to determine how "good" a dino is.

Considering what they did to Thala and old Campto I'm not holding my breath on Hatz's size

[woeful falcon]

Paleo chat

[light osprey]

🫡

[clever sable]

Needs a rooster like comb structure

[clever sable]

Hatz is almost certainly gonna be Kaiju sized, probably 3 times as tall as rex

[woeful falcon]

If it's E. regalis

[light osprey]

Probably supposed to be E. Annectens.

[steady rock]

Could I stand ontop of the back of a stellar sea cow?

[woeful falcon]

No they're extinct

[ripe wedge]

could you?, yes, would it be easy
imagine trying to stand on a log that actively moves

[woeful falcon]

Hard enough with a log that doesn't move honestly lol

I also imagine this log animal won't be happy with you standing on it

[pearl briar]

is stellar sea cow a manatee or dugong?

[woeful falcon]

Dugongid, it would seem. The family dugongs are in

[pearl briar]

is it stellar or steller?

[woeful falcon]

Steller

[pearl briar]

ok then

are we, humans that cause the steller sea cow to go ded?

[woeful falcon]

Not the sole reason from what I'm reading, but we were the final nail in the coffin. I'm just getting this all from wikipedia tho

[cinder jewel]

That's also my understanding of it. Stellers sea cow was already in decline and humans just pushed it past the point of no return

[ripe ruin]

Nature really hit it off with brachytrachelopan and Xinjiangtitan

[covert lintel]

minimum neck and maximum neck

[trim crag]

the first is a sauropod?

[analog hinge]

its built backwards

[wary junco]

The other animals in the scene (Anodontosaurus, Atrociraptor) would suggest it's based on Horseshoe Canyon fauna, in which case this would have been E. regalis despite it being the older of the two species. As for its lack of a comb, I'm guessing since it's a female they were going down the route of the comb being a sexually dimorphic feature.

[snow python]

Accurate? I mean except for Eocarcharia

[pearl briar]

now i got a question from birds & phoenix

[storm heron]

Im a dinosaurs

[next moss]

^

[keen forum]

minus eo ( just outdated ) for the most part the sizes are pretty good

[pearl briar]

t posing

[pearl briar]

uhhhhhhhhhh guys
what is sarchosuchus & deinosuchus most up-to-date length & weight??? 😭😭😭

[glacial blade]

sarco had a paper in 2019 that estimated that the length of the largest sarcosuchus imperator specimens to be ~9-9.5m iirc

[neat drum]

steller's sea cow was incredibly specialized, and with all specialized animals when something small changes things go bad real quick

they were a dead clade walking before we came into the picture, cooling temperatures had fragmented the population up, and most of the populations had died out due to inbreeding and natural disasters doing them in, as well as sudden warming periods wiping out areas of kelp(which they fed on solely)

by the time europeans found the sea cows, there were less than 2,000 estimated to be left, and between humans harvesting them outright, and the harvesting of sea otters wiping out the kelp forests, the last steller's sea cows perished

which while sad, important to note that we only accelerated the inevitable

the last steller's sea cows had insane amounts of inbreeding, low genetic diversity, and their habitat was and still is naturally just going away

[pearl briar]

they're extinction...
is enough to make grown man cries

now i'm sad

[neat drum]

i still want to know wtf they did to avoid orcas

[hidden sand]

Orcas are so badass

[neat drum]

being a giant, fat, bouyant creature incapable of diving for extended periods, with no claws(or even hands), p defenseless against orcas

all i can think is either they were too robust to ram into effectively, or they were jerkfaces who attack first

[pearl briar]

wow
just wow

[neat drum]

manatees will grab alligators and sharks and drive them off before they become an issue, and they will also grab dolphins who pester them

[pearl vortex]

can anyone confirm this

[neat drum]

then you have the african manatees who are known to hang out around hippos

[pearl briar]

ok but for a second i forgor that there's bull shark & pink river dolphin exist so...

[neat drum]

azhdarchids could not dive or skim feed, they were built for terrestrial foraging

if they tried to it would not look pretty

[pearl briar]

lmfao drowning goes brrrr

[neat drum]

more like its neck crumpling like an accordion

even birds designed to dive have to be insanely careful while diving because physics is not on their side

[pearl briar]

or more like break their beak (idk what is they're mouth called) or snaps their neck lmfaoaoao

[late gale]

Clearly the orcas were just horrified of their chonk

Would probably just accept my obvious fate

[cinder jewel]

Die I guess yeah

[ripe ruin]

Yes
It's related to amarga and bajadasaurus

[heady thunder]

Wouldnt the guy just, break its neck instead?

[pearl briar]

so pterosaurs cannot "Skim"?

[pearl vortex]

bro they cant

[compact leaf]

dipping in at slow speeds like some birds do is possible but full blown skim feeding takes a lot of unique adaptations that no known pterosaurs have

[pearl briar]

the pteranodon book i have is lyin to me bruh

[neat drum]

Some species could likely dive, but most could not, and none could skim iirc

Also the ones that likely could dive or were designed to hunt fish or aquatic live couldve done it more like cormorants/anhinga/ducks: landing on the water slowly and carefully, then diving once safely floating

[pearl briar]

can pterosaurs floating in water like ducks???

[neat drum]

they likely could float or tread water like...well p much every bird

being lightweight with air filled bones and huge arms designed for thrust tends to work well in water, and considering how many pterosaurs ate fish or aquatic animals, they had to be reaching said prey somehow

floating, swimming, and wading are all reasonable and likely things they did to fish or filter feed

diving into the water like a gannet or pelican is possible in some species but generally not likely, and no pterosaur had the adaptations to skim

in pteranodon specifically, its upper beak is considerably longer than its lower beak, which is not seen in skimming species(which normally have a longer lower beak)

[proper panther]

So thats why i cant dive as a pterosaur in this roblox game here?

[neat drum]

i think thats just a roblox game being a roblox game

[heady thunder]

Thats probably a game thingy

[proper panther]

It isnt, it has its own animation for floating and other dinos can submerge themselves

Only pterosaurs cant so i think it would make sense

[nocturne cairn]

i'd assume that's more of random jank with the game than something made for accuracy sake

[proper panther]

K

[heady thunder]

Or maybe its WIP and they havent made them dive yet

[proper panther]

Its not, i play it alot and i can confirm its not

Its been out since 2019 and is still updated, its not WIP.

[woeful falcon]

Roblox game, probably not your best analogue for real life

[proper panther]

Dont underestimate roblox that much

[woeful falcon]

Even so, the reason you can't dive as a pterosaur in roblox dino game #32 probably isn't because of foresight and knowledge of their diving capabilities in life. I would wager it's more likely a limitation or development choice.

[proper panther]

Its definetly a development choice, roblox scripting barely has any limitations... unlike most think

[vivid hinge]

how many fingers did a pachy have? im currently working on a art piece and im finding conflicting info 😅

[ancient crystal]

At least 1

[vivid hinge]

good point. maybe i should just give it a single massive thumb lmaoo

[somber knoll]

Iggycephalosaurus

[compact leaf]

five

all pachycephalosaurs and ceratopsians have five, generally the last two fingers have no nail though

[tiny holly]

The joy of cursed archosaur hands

[proper panther]

No way bro got to hold a pachy's hand

[cinder jewel]

Pictures taken just moments before disaster lol. Pachy knocked him off a cliff

[vivid hinge]

thank you, you were very helpful 😊

[compact leaf]

of course np

[white matrix]

I would like to know your opinion about these fellas. https://twitter.com/TheDarknix/status/1660377631530037248?s=20

The Darknix (@TheDarknix)

Just before #PrehistoricPlanet arrive, here we have our dear Yoshi, 1 of the many Sanctum residents, this long horn ceratopsian was only a young subadult and Denver show us how it might look.

Thanks to @skeletaldrawing @TheNewArtistGR & @MrFragilis for the help.
#dinosaur

Twitter · May 21, 2023, 8:10 PM

[sudden wind]

Real

[white matrix]

noice

[sudden wind]

They are wrong : Deinosuchus size here has been estimated by Fadeno who has gone through the literature and observed fossils so he could work on his skeletal reconstruction. The process is explained on his deviant art post.

Sarcosuchus size is estimated in several papers to be roughly at 9.5 meters long. One estimation gave an individual a size reaching 11.65 meters long, but it is incorrect. The skull itself was oversized and the animal was built in the paper like an extremely robust crocodylian, which made it much bigger than it actually was.

[chilly knot]

Why censor dudes name

[frigid coral]

this dude is so confidently wrong

[tranquil quartz]

Yo chat is this real??!!!!! 🫡

[jagged trellis]

clearly just a deformed individual

[tranquil quartz]

Bro how tf does deformation get you a head placed where your buttocks should be? Pretty sure all pycnonemosaurs were just like that naturally tbh.

[clever sable]

Didn't fandeno downsize deino somewhat recently to like 12-13 tons?

[clever sable]

This guy is like from 2010 in terms of his sources lmao

[white matrix]

The largest Sarco i have estimate its like 9 m

[clever sable]

Yeah it's 9-9.5 meters, there was an estimate that said like 12 meters

[white matrix]

They werent as big as we thought

[clever sable]

Yeah that 12 meter estimate is long outdated

Still massive though, it's like 29-31 feet long and 4 tons

[white matrix]

I have been working to update a lot of data in prehistoric animals and some of them are bigger or smaller depending the specimen we base of course.

Like this fella.

[clever sable]

Sarco is like a prehistoric tomistoma, as both have deceivingly strong bites (yes I know sarcosuchus is not a true crocodilian)

[white matrix]

I really love Sarco one of my favorite crocodilians

[clever sable]

The tomistoma has been seen hunting deer and other large animals and has a pretty strong bite iirc, not something you would expect from a creature with a snout like this

[clever sable]

I sure hope you're joking, I love sarco aswell but it isn't a crocodilian, it's a crocodyliform

[heady thunder]

YO! They brought sarco back!

[white matrix]

Yeah i know its a crocodyliform haha

[clever sable]

Ok, I got worried for a second

[woeful falcon]

The boy

[white matrix]

The Carnotaurus holotype 😍

[woeful falcon]

Remarkably preserved and a beautiful animal. If only we could be so lucky with most fossil findings

[white matrix]

I saw all the material thankfully we were advised by Scott Hartman and Rodolfo Coria to make a model i took to Argentina when i travel

[wary heath]

I don't think every trikes horns grew some specific way, they probably grew slightly differently and that's how they could tell one from another

[covert lintel]

i mean. yeah, there's fossil evidence of horns varying between individuals

[white matrix]

Indeed we have a lot of variation between specimens.

[light osprey]

How we feel about Fadeno’s size estimate?

[frozen basin]

Comically large

[stone tartan]

No way people still believe Tyrannosaurus Rex had feathers

[woeful falcon]

course it could have had feathers. an thick coat covering its entire body? I don't believe so there

some fuzz? sure maybe

take prehistoric planet as an example of modern feathered Tyrannosaurus depictions, very very sparse covering. almost hair-like

[steady rock]

Today, we're discussing how the stellar sea cows are so fat. Orcas can't eat them. Their to fat to sink and how somehow a diet of only kelp made them this way

[stone tartan]

Nah I'm talking about full on covered in feathers

[compact leaf]

I'm not advocating for their validity but there's a shocking amount of reports from people who live in isolated parts of their former range that claim they're still around

the place is so remote that nobody has gotten out there to actually verify it but the majority of the locals claim to have seen or know someone that has seen a live steller's sea cow, it's probably nothing but it gives me a bit of hope

[amber dune]

Aren’t sea cows mainly made up of fat, so technically it wouldn’t be that nutritious to eat them anyways?

[steady rock]

I don't know if stellar sea cows would still be around

[compact leaf]

probably not it's just interesting how many reports there are

[steady rock]

Don't trust reports, there 5000 news one of metalodon everyday

[woeful falcon]

Apparently it tasted like corned beef

[steady rock]

They so fat not even the murder dolphins can murk them

[woeful falcon]

Or, perhaps orcas didn't have a taste for em

[clever sable]

Probably light fuzz at the most and probably a prominent coat as young but definitely not heavy feathering

[clever sable]

Fandeno is a pretty reliable Paleo artist from what I can tell

[compact leaf]

oh yeah 99% of the time I wouldn't put any stock whatsoever in reports like that I just happen to know these ones exist and threw it out there lol

[pearl briar]

the top anky is so large soo...
use the amnh 5214 & cmm 8880 for the references

[woeful falcon]

8880 isn't like, tremendously smaller than V003. It is still notably smaller but those two are at least twice the size of the others

[trim crag]

ah my favorite crocodilian

[light osprey]

I think that is the smaller specimen

[vocal breach]

so utah and dilo were roughly the same size right?

dilo was longer but utah was built more robuslty

[rose gate]

Looks like sucho doesn't need to be scared of water with it's size 🤔

[pearl briar]

sarco is a smth called "Crocodyliform" iirc

[stray wren]

Suchomimus is huge and is only getting bigger with new discoveries

[stone tartan]

A spino victim

[trim crag]

I was talking about Tomistoma

[pearl briar]

wait what

[woeful falcon]

False gharial, they were replying to an image of a false gharial

[trim crag]

I like to call it Tomistoma

[sage cave]

What ep is that

[heady thunder]

The entire Rex community doesnt claim that guy no more.

[sage cave]

Oh noo

[heady thunder]

Hog

[pearl briar]

should i update my trike prorsus size info?

[keen forum]

8.7m and 8.4-8.6t seems about right last i checked

[pearl briar]

ah ok

[frigid coral]

PNSOs newest figure, Sue

[pearl briar]

oh no unlipped
cries, dead & then explodes

[light osprey]

L I P S

[heady thunder]

NICE

[eager skiff]

Do u have a t. horridus one?

[fallow plank]

Where them precious lips at

[woven vortex]

Soo

[lunar copper]

I find it so odd with PNSO's lack of lips on their figures

[frigid coral]

Lots of people are complaining about the lips and just overall quality since there’s been a huge wait for this

[steep needle]

it’s kinda sad to me because the figures look otherwise great but the liplessness rarely looks good

it’s kind of jarring with how they look otherwise

[light osprey]

Liplessness is really distracting now lol, really makes em look “off”

[tough parcel]

Cool animation though, I really wish I could do smth like that

[somber tartan]

Too bad spinosaurus sucked at living mike Tyson spino would have been so cool to think about

[keen forum]

reminds me of those old pivot dinosaur fights, where mah fav dinosaur can do this XD just need to have 3 days grace play in the bg

[tough parcel]

Or Monster

[somber tartan]

But like honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if a paper came out one day saying that spinosaurus never existed cause it sucked too much at living and was actually just a bunch of parts of several other dinosaurs

[heady thunder]

1000%.
Or Bodies.

[light osprey]

Rare spino W

[keen forum]

oh yeah that reminds me that the carch neotype has a bite mark more than likely from spino on it's face/nasal

[light osprey]

Spinosaurus stronger than people assume?

[somber tartan]

👀👀👀👀

[somber tartan]

Nah I could beat a fully grown male spino with 2 slaps and a kick

[light osprey]

For sure

[keen forum]

naaaah just might have been a struggle of either a spino trying to protect itself from being hunted or they had a fight over some food or territory

[somber tartan]

Imma need to see this to believe it, cause as of now I’m having trouble believing spinosaurus was capable of anything other than sitting in shallow water and catching fish that swim by its mouth

[tough parcel]

Yea KM, where's that picture I asked for weeks ago

[cinder jewel]

Why? Gharials, which are huge crocodilians specialized to eating small food items with comparatively fragile jaws, could do some nasty damage if cornered

[light osprey]

Spinosaurus was definitely more aquatic than the Sereno paper said, I’m calling it 👍

[somber tartan]

My favorite dinosaur gets worse and worse with every paper released about it

[somber tartan]

Bro needs to lay off the hadrosaurs

[heady thunder]

The mighty 20 ton specimen

[glad carbon]

Somebody tell me if this is possible

[heady thunder]

I hope not.

[night bluff]

I hope so! That thing ain't chasin' worth a damn.

[tough parcel]

Infinitely not

[keen forum]

you will never get it muhahahaha

[keen forum]

i mean when a giant shark on legs trys to turn you into a meal you will fight back and protect yaself, but if you want to look into it "Acrocanthosauridae fam. nov.," in Molnar (2001). Pg. 342.

[chilly knot]

Is php 2 out??

[glad carbon]

Ayo 🤣

[light osprey]

First episode. They come out periodically, next one is tomorrow

[tulip dove]

Anyone have up to date Eustreptospondylus and Vallibonavenatrix skeletal?

[tawny thunder]

Yeah, I watched it

[amber dune]

Hey quick question shouldn’t the merti be slightly bigger then conc?

[chilly knot]

Metri is over two times bigger lol

[tulip dove]

Found a good Vallibonavenatrix skeletal now, but can't find any Eustreptospondylus skeletals

[woeful falcon]

Which one outta curiosity

[sullen dust]

Someone just tried to tell me spino weighed only 3 tons lol

Lil teacup spino

[tough parcel]

"eustreptospondylus skeletal" in Google

[tulip dove]

You mean Sergi's Vallibona skeletals?

[light osprey]

I think they were referring to one of the specimens we have.

[sullen dust]

Yea they said it was from material that rn is confirmed to be spinosaurus

Cuz alotta spino material technically isn't confirmed to 100% be spinosaurus

[swift turtle]

Who all has seen the new prehistoric planet episode? It was really good!

[white matrix]

Do I look like I can afford a simple subscription? I watched S1 though.

[deft sigil]

A reminder to please view pinned messages for appropriate paleo-chat topics. We recommend all off-topic conversations for paleo-chat be directed to DM's, the appropriate channel or another server entirely.

[swift turtle]

I figured this would be the appropriate chat since it's paleo media, sorry!

[white matrix]

Is this to me? I am sorry if I said anything wrong!

[swift turtle]

That's fair! You could try to do the free trial since it lasts about a week. If you already did that last year maybe try using a different email?

[deft sigil]

Just a general channel reminder, Discussing the Paleontology behind Prehistoric Planet is just fine. Discussing Apple TV+ trials and how much you enjoyed a certain show, is not relevant to this channel.

[woeful falcon]

Ye. Sergi does one of it as a basal spinosaurine and the other a basal spinosaurid. There's also Lancian's who reconstructs it as a spinosaurine too

[light osprey]

Anyone notice the diversity of patterns and integument colouration in Hatzegopteryx?

[cinder jewel]

@deft sigil is there a place where it would be appropriate to discuss general enjoyment of the episodes? This is probably the largest clump of dino nerds most of us have access to that we could talk with.

[white matrix]

We need a off-topic channel..

Do we know how alioramus could have looked?

[somber tartan]

We need an off topic channel badly
.
.
.
. So would sabertooth cats have had lips covering them big saber tooth’s

[frosty anvil]

There are already some speculative drawings like this, and it makes them look like a big drooling mastiff

[somber tartan]

Like this (I HATE THIS LONG ASS TIMER)

Also can’t find the artist

[woeful falcon]

There was an off topic channel. Didn't work then and would probably work less now with more peeps

And, yes. With the relative completeness of Alioramus and Qianzhousaurus I would think we have a decent understanding of its appearance

[deft sigil]

The official subreddit for prehistoric planet? DMs? a private discord server?

[frosty anvil]

https://twitter.com/BZaiken/status/1104216899158794240?t=NUiFAKgtSzMsBeCmN3c4lw&s=19

Beth Zaiken (@BZaiken)

So like....WHAT IF? Smilodon fatalis...but with serious lips ya'll. Definitely less elegant than the conventional take. #paleoart #sciart #SciArtTweetStorm

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[light osprey]

Is this supposed to be Smilodon?

[somber tartan]

I mean it makes sense, how else would it’s teeth avoid bacteria

[tulip dove]

I used the v.1 skeletal for Vallibona, basal spinosaurine

[sudden wind]

They would not

[light osprey]

Smilodon would not have lips.👍 edit - covering those big toofers

[somber tartan]

Too late, have this image curse you. SHRINKWRAPPED SMILODON

[frosty anvil]

Tbh even if it isnt accurate, I do find the extra-lipped smilodon to be kinda cute. Almost like a mastiff.

[sudden wind]

Thinking about it, we got some new stuffs about Gorgonopsians

[light osprey]

Care to tell?

[somber tartan]

👀

[sudden wind]

Rapid turnover of top predators in African terrestrial faunas around the Permian-Triassic mass extinction (Inostrancevia in South Africa!)
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(23)00455-4

[cinder jewel]

The point was to talk with this group of people specifically, not just to talk in general. But that's fine thank you for responding 🙂

[neat drum]

reminder that most depictions of smilodon have the teeth too long, as the original skulls have the canines slipped out of the skull, and while yes their canines would still hang out of their mouth, they would not overhang that much

[clever sable]

Someone in the PT discord is claiming carch is 8 tons lol, can I get some up to date size estimates on it because I don't know an exact size I just know it was smaller than 8 tons

[heady thunder]

Its like 6 iirc

[compact leaf]

it’s fragmentary so pretty hard to tell how big it is, some recent scaling gives a potential length of 12.3m but nothing really on weight

[chilly knot]

8t is absolutely inside the realm of possibility

[clever sable]

Largest estimates I can find out it just over 7

[chilly knot]

7 is more like the smallest range you can get for the neotype

Beagliam could explain further, but bro is taking dc break

[clever sable]

Nah, I'm seeing Alot of around 7 ton estimates with 7.8 being the largest I've found so far

[tough parcel]

If it's KM, he's got secret secrets that give him mega-size

[chilly knot]

You can't just hit the nah on an incomplete skull that's entirely dependent on the scalers interpretation

[woeful falcon]

Nah

[chilly knot]

+A skull that is very similar in size to the other giant carchs

[clever sable]

I can hit no when people that seem to have more experience make estimates that seem more reliable, I don't even know who the guy who made the doc is and 7 tons at the absolute smallest estimate for carch is an absurd thing to say, the Lowest estimates I've seen are around 6 tons while the highest are usually around 7.5 or somewhere around that

[tough parcel]

See here: It will get an upsize soon apparently soon™️ allegedly

[clever sable]

Does he even share his methodology

[woeful falcon]

Mind you 7.8 is legit just 200kg from 8 tonnes

[tough parcel]

Who KM? No, because the skeletals and such it's based off of is private as of right now (Not private owned, just embargoed)

[clever sable]

That's a pretty significant size difference and that's the absolute largest estimate I can find

[light osprey]

8 tons doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility, but I want someone reliable to provide it

[chilly knot]

The smallest I've seen for Mapusaurus is 3t, so I guess that's now possible because I've seen so

[next moss]

what a cool animal

[clever sable]

Until Dan folkes or someone with similar credible does an estimate I'm going with the 6.8-7.2 ton estimate

[tough parcel]

Is this a new one? I don't remember seeing this

[woeful falcon]

For these gigantic animals? That's a meal or two. Just look at the difference between the two Gigas

[clever sable]

I never said I trusted the smallest given estimate I'm just saying that 7 tons isn't the absolute smallest estimate

[woeful falcon]

Dan folkes isn't infallible either

[chilly knot]

Jokes aside, smaller than 7t (or 6.8t) gets ridiculous for a skull similar in length to giganotosaurus'

[light osprey]

Hey. I’m still looking for a good Qianzhousaurus skeletal

[next moss]

yeah i’d say it’s new https://twitter.com/FabioAleRomero/status/1659237793535492110?s=20

Fabio Alejandro (@FabioAleRomero)

Probably the most magnificent titan since the dinosaurs went extinct, Paraceratherium emerged as one of the largest land mammals on record, with a shoulder height of 5 meters and a mass of almost 20 tons this long behemoth wouldn't have any comparable

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[clever sable]

Everyone can make miscalculations even Dan folkes but at least he shares his methodology

[light osprey]

Very nice this is what I’ve been looking for

[woeful falcon]

I still don't know whose estimate we're talking about

[clever sable]

When you put out an estimate you gotta include the methodology

[chilly knot]

Why's beag taking a break when the universe needs him the most

[woeful falcon]

What's there to include, most do GDIs around these parts

[light osprey]

We need a big ole reestimate on those chunky Carcharodontosauridae

[clever sable]

Until he shows the methodology I'm not using or trusting his estimates

[clever sable]

Not just the methodology but also the numbers and statistics he used while calculating the size, until he provides those I'm not trusting his estimates

[light osprey]

Especially after Giganotosaurus, Tyrannosaurus, and I think Mapusaurus as well have received a big uptick in high-end size estimates.

[chilly knot]

He could but isn't here

Out of curiosity, where was Dan showing his method, I don't remember him writing a blog about Carcharodontosaurus or smth

[woeful falcon]

.

[light osprey]

It was for sure a human 👍

[compact leaf]

he mentioned it in one of his latest blogs but only said that he scaled it to Tyrannotitan and couldn't really go from there considering how fragmentary it is, charch btw blub and whether or not it could hit 8 tons

the only time I wouldn't really trust a GDI very much is with sauropods, because their internal anatomy gets messy fast, trying to scale most of them is bad enough without taking things like cartilage into account

[light osprey]

I honestly still don’t know how much Argentinosaurus and it’s contemporaries weighed

[tough parcel]

Argent goes towards 80+ tons

[jagged trellis]

big

[light osprey]

Me hoping our native titanosaur Alamosaurus ends up being just as chonky

[compact leaf]

it doesn't help that a lot of sauropod estimates are unreliable because someone wanted theirs to be the biggest, it doesn't happen so much nowadays but we're still cleaning up the mess in some cases

which is how we get things like 46m barosaurus

or any number of other supposedly record breaking sauropods that really weren't bigger than average

[light osprey]

Sauropods tainted by Paleontological hubris

[stiff osprey]

every five years paleontology throws a new taxon to try and knock Argentinosaurus off its podium, and they fail every single time. It's pretty funny

[heady thunder]

Brazilosaurus will do it lol

[stiff osprey]

god, I wish.
but all we have in Brazil is the most average sized titanosaurs ever and one or two 70-80 foot long taxa

[compact leaf]

there's a couple titanosaurs that fell victim to it but the morrison in particular had a lot of that going on in the bone wars (looking at you amphicoelius)

[tough parcel]

Don't worry random, I'll go to Brazil myself and plant discover 120+ ton sauropod bones, 20% bigger than Argent's

[light osprey]

This is definitely real 💯

[compact leaf]

then there's somphospondylidae which is a mess, basically it's the "there's a bunch of early cretaceous sauropods that seem like they fit in this group but not quite so let's throw them all together" group

[jagged trellis]

ah so greenland map but animals, noted

[light osprey]

At least it got a cool name 🤷

[compact leaf]

I don't see argent getting dethroned as biggest fatty for a while if at all unless we find more of it, the brachiosaurids still take height though so at least something beats them somewhere

[light osprey]

They do?

[compact leaf]

sauroposeidon has it right now technically and its position is a little vague, it's either a brachiosaurid or a somphospondylid (which like I said is a mess) so it may need to be rescaled, the brachiosaurids have the most consistently tall genera though

brachiosaurus itself might take the title depending on the upward range of adult sizes, in general though brachiosaurids hold themselves more erect but even without the posture difference some of them beat argent in height

[stiff osprey]

what having the longest arms of all time does to a mf

[compact leaf]

fr

[light osprey]

I just thought Argentinosaurus and Sauroposeidon were sitting at roughly the same height 🤷

[compact leaf]

an argent holding its neck straight up might get there but their resting posture was less erect than brachiosaurids and sauro

[stiff osprey]

the main thing about Sauroposeidon is we don't know how many neck vertebrae it had because of high variation within Somphospondyli

if you give it the most vertebrae possible, it indeed outdoes Brachiosaurus and Argentinosaurus. if not, it's probably around the same

[tough parcel]

What happens if I reconstruct it off of Brachytracholopan tho

[compact leaf]

I have an embolism and then the world catches on fire

[light osprey]

Oh no

[compact leaf]

sauropods are what I'm best at so it always makes me happy when we talk about them in here lol

even if falcon is going to try and kill me by scaling random fragmentary sauropods to brachytrachelopan

[upbeat bough]

Is Brachio estimated at close to the same size as argentino?

[light osprey]

Personally I’ve become deeply infatuated with Mosasaurs

[compact leaf]

in height it gets past it, in weight and length not close, brachiosaurids were tall but really lanky

[upbeat bough]

ah, cool. Still the coolest sauropod to me tho

[ancient crystal]

Do it

[somber tartan]

Question: is this a valid genus? Cause I just randomly came across it

[lime elm]

Hey dino nerds

Is there a carnivore dino with a thagomizer tail or just a really cool tail? I need one to base off my character design

[somber tartan]

Stegosaurus, kentrosaurus and other stegosaurines have thagomizers

[stiff osprey]

they're not carnivores, though

[lime elm]

Yeah I know those! But I want a carnivore one because it'll fit the character more :(

[stiff osprey]

Carnivores generally won't have thagomizers because spikes are a good defensive feature if you're a slow moving animal, but being slow and armor covered is usually bad for a carnivore

I do find the fin tails of Spino and Ichthyovenator to look really cool, though

[lime elm]

Ohhhh yeah right

[somber tartan]

Oh yeah, spinosaurids got the coolest looking tails when it comes to carnivores, they’d prolly fit

[lime elm]

I chose ceratosaurus! It's an underrated dinosaur yet it has the classic look of a dinosaur when people think about it, I'll give some little tail spikes, it's cartoon design anyway it doesn't have to be 100% realistic

[light osprey]

Speaking of all these big theropod dinosaurs, seems like Tarbosaurus is a bit on the low end when it comes to current weight estimates.

[woeful falcon]

And that's next tyrannosaur down. Just goes to show you rexes came in and really stole the show as far as size is concerned

[heady thunder]

Yeah tyranosaurs werent that big

[light osprey]

Is it really 5 tons difference though?

[stiff osprey]

from a big tarbo to like Scotty, yeah
big tarbo to an average sized rex is 2-3 tons

[light osprey]

Then I guess slightly smaller but still massive theropods for the win

[ancient crystal]

Tyrannosaurs really just watched all the other megatherapods evolve and then said "hold my beer"

[tranquil quartz]

Carchardontosaurids watching themselves get dethroned for biggest megatheropods by the overweight American mouth monster

[light osprey]

I laughed 😂

[north plinth]

Sample sizes for all megatherapods including T. Rex are too small to know for sure how large these animals really got, but it's safe to say Tyrannosaurus was up there when it comes to sheer chonk.

[compact leaf]

rex has a decent enough sample size to get a better average than most but megatheropods you usually can't get a good average estimate

[clever sable]

My favorite dinosaur

Anyone got a posterior bite force for it? Anterior is like 1800 psi from what I can tell

[primal lark]

Is someone able to tell me if Yunnano's dewclaw is supposed to touch the ground??

assuming something like this?

[amber dune]

Seems like the tip of it touches the ground

[primal lark]

Seems so, just wanted to be sure

[bronze storm]

[primal lark]

DON'T LOOK AT ME, NOTHING IS HAPPENING HERE

[tough parcel]

Yea, if you go by Hartman, it is just big enough to touch the ground

[primal lark]

sweet, thank you!

[compact leaf]

his basal sauropodomorphs are good but be careful with hartmans sauropod skeletals

[ancient crystal]

Whats wrong with his sauropod skeletals?

[compact leaf]

the biggest thing is a few with missing vertebrae, beyond that it's just a couple minor issues so nothing huge just something to be aware of

[fallen radish]

So I don’t know much about dinos, are their any cool carnivores that haven’t really gotten a spotlight yet

[ancient crystal]

Honestly any carnivore below 6 tons probably deserves more than it has

[light osprey]

Here’s some fun looking fellas for you to observe

[trim crag]

Speckles the Tarbosaurus

[clever sable]

I found this size comparison online but I do feel like this size gap between mapu and giga is too extreme assuming the giga shown is the holotype, if the dentary specimen is used that size gap feels about right, I don't really know much about mapu and giga, I'm more of an acro and carch guy

[vocal breach]

Look at this one lul

[tough parcel]

(A reconstruction based off that skeletal)

[clever sable]

I like this reconstruction alot

[ancient crystal]

What are some sources for spinos current weight estimates. Someone is using britannica to tell me it was 18 to 20 tons

[compact leaf]

dan folkes' blog post about the big 3 recently is a good place to go let me find the link

[clever sable]

7.8 tons I think with some putting it as low as 3.4 tons

[compact leaf]

https://www.thecodontia.com/blog/the-largest-theropod-dinosaur-known-to-science

[clever sable]

https://youtu.be/VWuB9Z8aMuU acrocanthosaurus stuff is cool imo so I'm posting this

[steady rock]

What is borealopelta replica made out of?

[clever sable]

I believe a type of molding material with similar density to the estimated bone density and the meat is pig I'm pretty sure, I can't remember the name of the molding material

[steady rock]

Wow, who would've though a mechanical fully automated skull made out of metal would destroy meat and some molding materials

[clever sable]

The teeth are made of porcelain I believe

Btw the osteoderms are actually made of a tough casting polymer

I do think that the acros bite force was overestimated for this test though

[jagged trellis]

tbf that is a direct hit from the side so prolly would just not be able to fully land on the living thing seeing well...its shaped like a shield leaf, just kinda showing how awesome both are, a meaty bite and a formidable shield

[iron lake]

that’s so cool!!!

[viscid surge]

I suspect it’s genuinely impossible to take in how massive some of the superpredators of the mesozoic really were

[winter cloud]

And people think ano is op

[jagged trellis]

i mean super predators of the Cenozoic were also big, example being the biggest land predator....still being a archosaur lmao but yeah travel back more and you could see 6 ton acros 7 ton spoons, 10 ton gigas and rexes ect and thats just on the predator side, just a vast scale difference

[viscid surge]

It’s still pretty amazing that we’re contemporaries of (to the best of our knowledge) the largest animal to ever exist. Ive never see a blue whale, i probably never will, but that has to be one of the most magical experiences… in general

[ripe ruin]

Is this Xinjiangtitan accurate? Or is the artist mario lanzas broadly good?

[trim crag]

What about entelodonts, surely those count as land predators, or Megistotherium or Simbakubwa

[jagged trellis]

from what ive gathered they are generally solid and yeah cool we get to see the chonkest animal we know of just swimming by and existing and @trim crag if i recall they don't count seeing omnivore moment and i can't remember if they are even bigger

[trim crag]

So omnivore just nullifies it being a predator?? 🗿

[jagged trellis]

kinda also still dunno if they are bigger or nah

[trim crag]

So I guess that means wolves and brown/polar bears are not predators since they're omnivores

and don't some crocodilians eat fruit, thus making them omnivores as well

[jagged trellis]

wolves are mostly carnivorous, have heard bout the changes polar bears be making, brown bears kinda are and: i still cannot find anything on the size

[ripe ruin]

Barinasuchus is still bigger than any of those iirc

[stiff osprey]

Barinasuchus dwarfs Megistotherium, let alone Simbakubwa. But there is an entelodont that rivals it

[trim crag]

From what I see Daeodon is estimated to reach 1000 kgs

[winter cloud]

Whats the biggest sauropod

[stiff osprey]

Barinasuchus weighs 1700-2100 kg, Paraentelodon is rumored to be over 2000 kg based on tooth scaling, and then every other land carnivore of the cenozoic is under 1000

[jagged trellis]

also no, eating abit of meat or plant when dire needs call does not equal omnivore, or else everything would be a omnivore, omnivores are eating both enough in a healthy state to count and barin is like 2 tons+ so eh

[trim crag]

Barinasuchus is just fat, I hate whenever reptile fans use it because it was the largest Cenozoic land predator, too bad it was outcompeted by mammals

[covert lintel]

yippee, tooth scaling!

[stiff osprey]

yep, cats and canids are so powerful that they time traveled 10 million years before their actual arrival to SA just to outcompete Barinasuchus

[trim crag]

True

[chilly knot]

Can't even pull off a better land predator after the reptiles peak time

[trim crag]

Phorusracids were also outcompeted by mammals, big L for a big bird

[stiff osprey]

I find it even funnier that one of the top 3 or 4 land predators of the cenozoic is a snake, and one of the top 10 is a bird

[covert lintel]

titanis actually spread upwards into north america and had quite a good time despite all the mammals there

[jagged trellis]

also its funny how a majority of large predators kinda just couldn't handle temperature changes too well during the cenozoic vs raw competition( also if i recall terror birds didn't die out due to just mammals, now i just gotta remember what was the main ordeal)

[pliant viper]

I mean to be fair that bird has legs that make a cassowary look tame

[viscid surge]

Shame the old name or “megalania” is gone. Even if it wouldn’t make sense, itd be nice if they named it “varanus megalania” so that we arent all wrong in calling it that XD

[trim crag]

giant reptiles when I leave the fridge open and they all die

[stiff osprey]

I'm glad megalania became the common name, Varanus should not be one genus in the first place let alone swallow the other genera

[covert lintel]

agreed, when you get to the point where you have like 5 subgenera then maybe it's time to consider splitting it up

[viscid surge]

Humans may have made megalania extinct, which is unfortunate. (We almost certainly did)

[jagged trellis]

i'm waiting for some random different timeline where you got someone named CorVid or something saying L to big cats while also ignoring( prolly moreso media being cringe to boost attention while also spreading misinfo tbh) everything else

[chilly knot]

Common human W

[trim crag]

Jokes on you, corvids are my favorite reptiles

[stiff osprey]

most dinosaur based servers have someone vaguely like that, I find what Panthera's doing to the contrary pretty funny

[covert lintel]

it's a good bit

[tough parcel]

Tbf, they did say they’re doing it for the meme (however likely that story is)

Personally, I can vibe with it just as long as it doesn’t get too out of hand

[jagged trellis]

if ima be real its a mixture of awesomebro and peak comedy, the question is where within that range since i dunno, also funny someone dropped a awesomebro and then vanished

[trim crag]

Thank you, and in all seriousness I do love the diversity of life this planet had and still has regardless of classification, I have said before I definitely do prefer mammals but reptiles are just as cool in their own unique ways. Also it's just easier to tick off reptile fans than it is mammal fans lol

[viscid surge]

Nah, all you say is dogs are better than cats and-

[jagged trellis]

depends tbh seeing i got a mammal fanboy friend and all i need to do is name the species count and starts a good convo

[trim crag]

DOGS ARE NOT BETTER THAN CATS

[covert lintel]

dogs and cats are equal and they are friends. peace and love on planet earth

[light osprey]

There can only be one

[stiff osprey]

Cats are better than dogs, except painted dogs, who are exceedingly based

[chilly knot]

Mammals are better because Ryan Gosling is one

[covert lintel]

then let that one be the pigeon

[trim crag]

I do find it interesting how the largest canids barely reach over 200 lbs, and then the max estimates for the largest cats such as Smilodon p. and P. t. soloensis are 900+ lbs (although I heavily question Ngandong tiger weighing 900+)

[light osprey]

[jagged trellis]

how (normally)teamwork and endurance tactics vs bursts and(normally) solo work goes

[trim crag]

And then you have African lions and P. spelaea

[stiff osprey]

meanwhile hyanailourines(?) being 1500+ lbs while being carnivorous

They're the closest mammals got to tyrannosaurs

[viscid surge]

They’re a bit of an exception tbf, most cats are solitary or live in small groups.

[light osprey]

Mammals, soon to be replaced by the Saurischians once again

[trim crag]

God I love those animals so much

[jagged trellis]

yup or maned wolves being the weirdo relatives at the party who just sit and sip a juicebox

[trim crag]

I'm fairly certain the only cats we have any evidence for being social are African lions, Cheetahs and Eurasian cave lions. Tigers and jaguars do exhibit some form of social behavior in the wild although it's very limited and situational. Although I do also remember reading something on a Smilodon (don't remember if it was populator or fatalis) that healed a nasty bone fracture which likely could only be done with the help of a social group

[jagged trellis]

still waiting on a dude called FormiCidae to come in and start some more

[light osprey]

Dinosaurs - interrupt Mammal dominance, become the largest megafaunal terrestrial animals on earth, die, refuse to elaborate…

[scenic flame]

would be a shame if a scrawny hominid were to put a few radioactive dents in that plan

[trim crag]

LMAO

[jagged trellis]

meanwhile crabs are just watching....waiting.....winning without doing much beyond be greedy, carry stegos and make world renowned fast food

[trim crag]

the only reason I capitalize the T is due to personal reasons, I did used to just go by "Panthera", everyone seems obsessed with that capital T tho

[jagged trellis]

because it stands out enough without being a big smoking flag is why folks( me) make the joke

[trim crag]

wdym a big smoking flag

[jagged trellis]

some folks have flashier names that often shows certain ordeals and tend to be concerning( normally mr insert animal here) the only acceptable one is Mr Krabs because he is one and does something for society

[trim crag]

yeah I've met a lot of people like that, usually either Mr. or Sir and then a genus name and they almost always end up being some loser

[jagged trellis]

the only one who isn't is Mr Krabs and thats saying something, anyways uhh B O N E S

[light osprey]

I hide my Mosasaurid bias

[trim crag]

no Baryonyx is the 2nd best Mezosoic dinosUr

[frigid coral]

if they are a loser than what am I

[jagged trellis]

a decent person(|| well atleast i think||)

[ancient crystal]

Intentionally or? Because humans simply evolving may have caused the extinction of a few animals.

[frigid coral]

that would be very hard to conclude

[barren compass]

would these lips be accurate? Trying to draw as accurate as possible

[wary heath]

How big was adalatherium

[stiff osprey]

the size of a big marmot

[barren compass]

was trying to make them similar to a lizard

[amber dune]

Looks really good tbh

[stiff osprey]

The lips are fine, but the back of the skull should be longer

[honest wave]

fellow ppheads in chat?

[barren compass]

ahh ok, thanks. Thoughts on the crests? Was trying to make the keratin look weathered

[light osprey]

Nice lil graphic ya did there

[dull lodge]

):

[barren compass]

also, would the scales on the other part of the face be visible like the snout? or would they be so small you cant see them

[pearl briar]

for barina

[trim crag]

so it's less than 2 tons

[clever sable]

So what are the most up to date estimates for triceratops in terms of weight

[pearl briar]

for prorsus
for horridus i don't have any srry

[tiny holly]

It really depends on how detailed you're willing to get. You would be able to tell areas of very very small scales do have scales, but how far away you are from the animal would change how visible that is. And with art reflecting that it's up to you on if you think that level of super fine detail is worth it or not

[barren compass]

I would be fine with going detailed, i just wasnt sure if the scales would get smaller then what i alr have. im trying to go for maximum detail or whatever is possible

[stoic tinsel]

barinasuchus was not outcompeted by mammals it went extinct because of climate change

[covert lintel]

ah, i love it when people fall for The Bit (i say this knowing very well that i've also fallen for The Bit before)

[trim crag]

everyone falls into the leopard's trap

[somber tartan]

Is there a chart showing the biggest Edmont compared to the biggest tyrannosaurus

[pearl briar]

https://youtu.be/NmosCtNCJSs

could azhdarchid rrly hunt on the ground???

[nocturne cairn]

yes

[upbeat bough]

how's the second episode?

[somber tartan]

Very good, definitely recommend watching

[stark girder]

Does anyone have a size ref comparing Yuty to Allo? I can't find anything decent :(

[pearl briar]

I FORGOR MEGALODON'S MOST UP-TO-DATE LENGTH & WEIGHT
CAN U GUYS HELP ME 😭😭😭

[heady thunder]

Big lizard, 6m long iirc?

[pearl briar]

...
more crying i mentioned otodus megalodon cries a lot 😭😭😭😭😭

[heady thunder]

My brain registered megalania lol, shark meg should be like 100 tons plus and like 28m?

[sudden wind]

Average adult :

16 meters long for 60 metric tons.

Maximal known size :

20.1 meters long for 106 metric tons.

[pearl briar]

TYSM TYSM TYSM TYSM OH UR A SAVIOR

[keen forum]

wait isn't the max larger than that? unless that's using units meg

[sudden wind]

I use Units Otodus, yes. There are some estimations flying around but the very max I saw was 127 metric tons.

[pearl briar]

that's sick

[keen forum]

using coopers gets you 127tons

[pearl briar]

forget it lol

[pearl briar]

ight time to work

[keen forum]

the 24.2m was the absolute largest you can get it, i don't advise using that ( same with 150tons on 20m lad )

[keen forum]

ah makes sense

[pearl briar]

ok never used 24.2 meters & 150 tons meg is that what u said?

wait @keen forum @sudden wind (srry for the pings) but what max length should i use?
20.1 m
20.3 m
or 20.5 m?

[sudden wind]

Seems to be 20.3 ± 0.2 meters.

[pearl briar]

(pardon for the ping again) ~20.5?

[sudden wind]

Stay with 20.3

The sign ± designs an interval, which can be translated by "more or less".

[pearl briar]

ohhh
ok then

[sudden wind]

https://palaeo-electronica.org/content/2021/3284-estimating-lamniform-body-size

Here is the paper about 0.megalodon body size.

[pearl briar]

@keen forum @sudden wind work is done
what do u guys think?

[sudden wind]

Anyone has the paper suggesting 127 tons ?

[chilly knot]

Ig it was this one
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abm9424

[sudden wind]

Not a single result when I look for 127, tons, weight so I guess not.

[chilly knot]

[light osprey]

127 seems wildly high

[tulip dove]

What's Brachiosaurus most up to date weight and length?

I remember seeing 62 tons somewhere but idk how well it holds up

[keen forum]

that came from the scaling and gdi of the large 20.3m one iirc

based off cooper's earlier work https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-71387-y

[bronze storm]

Lord have mercy bro 127 TONS????? That is actually wild

[sudden wind]

They didn't suggest weights in this paper though. We also didn't get a top view for a GDI.

[keen forum]

no they didn't they used the way they measured meg and his proportions to get the gdi, no idea on the dorsal view to be honest unless they used a much older one

[compact leaf]

the subadult holotype is around 24m long and I think something like 40 tons, adult size estimates can comfortably go past 28m long but considering how fragmentary it is we can’t get a decent adult weight

[jagged trellis]

sometimes i forget how god damn big whalesharks are

[sudden wind]

that's the absolute largest ever recorded

[woeful falcon]

Which is now all whale sharks. You can only go by the largest specimen. Neeco I thought you knew how this worked by now 🙄

[keen forum]

geezus

[sudden wind]

most whale sharks are much smaller

GAAAAAH I HATE ABSOLUTE MAXIMAL SIZE IT DOES NOT REPRESENT HOW LARGE THE ANIMALS YOU MAY ENCOUNTER ACTUALLY ARE

[heady thunder]

The tallest human was 2.72m tall, the rest dont count.

[sudden wind]

For fossils I can get it, but for living creatures.. eh no.

[light osprey]

Was that Whale Shark even 100 tons?

[keen forum]

no about a 4th of that the largest catch'ed was about 21tons and 12+meters iirc the absolute biggest was 18.8 and possibly 60+tons

[jagged trellis]

yeah i picked up on it with the image but still friggin massive

[broken tartan]

Are sarcosuchus imperator and hartti generally true to they’re anatomy in game ? Was hartti more Ghariel “like”?

[ancient crystal]

Between this and the dunkelosteous paper I have concluded that paleontologists don't know how to model or use extant sharks for scale

[woeful falcon]

Well ya see my good friend, Dunkleosteus isn't a shark!

[ancient crystal]

And I'm convinced that "great white" they used for the dunkle paper wasn't one either

Oh and would you look at that, the paper also used the largest specimen recorded lol

[stiff osprey]

Bad artwork is a staple of paleontology papers, that doesn't mean they went out and measured a fictional fish instead of great whites lmao

[sudden wind]

The measurements are good.

here is the said great white shark. It just is bad taxidermy.

[ancient crystal]

If you couldn't tell I'm being dramatic lol. As someone who aspires to work with sharks as a living seeing the great white reconstruction in that paper (and the atrocity just posted as I write this) hurts

[stiff osprey]

That said, 127 t megalodon is pretty dumb, you can only get that if you model megalodon as a cube instead of a cylinder like actual fish

Unit and I GDIed a megalodon with the anatomical specifications of the paper, and it weighs like 100 t at max size, not 120

[sudden wind]

A fellow shark enjoyer

[jagged trellis]

why does it remind me of a reverse but also not version of a halo 4 jackal lmao that face

[sudden wind]

let her be she's happy

[light osprey]

Omg that face

[ancient crystal]

Imagine being the largest of your species only to be caught, stuffed, put on display, and for it to not even look like you in the end

[light osprey]

You could say that, yes.

[sudden wind]

poor lad

[broken tartan]

I don’t see how it would hunt much other than fish and small Dino’s/vertebrae with that mouth shape. Unless perhaps it opted for a flurry of quick bites as it’s method of attacking larger prey?

[jagged trellis]

sarco isn't like a gator or crocodile being mega brawny but could still snag a fairly sized animal from what ive gathered( not a 7-8 ton duck tho lmao)

[light osprey]

Most likely S. Imperator was eating the large vertebrate fish of its ecosystem, and probably wasn’t hunting the largest dinosaurs of its environment, more like snagging the occasional younger one.

[steady rock]

Someone explain how eino was somehow thriving in its environment
( credit to @tough parcel for the image and link )
https://twitter.com/PrimevalArtist/status/1661032309108404224?s=20

Falcon9 (Commissions Open!) (@PrimevalArtist)

In comes Einiosaurus, a crazy curvy-horned ceratopsian from the Two Medicine Formation! Einiosaurus has been discovered in massive bonebeds, likely indicating this creature was a herd animal, living together in groups of dozens!

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 3:32 PM

[stiff osprey]

Incredibly fast growth for a dinosaur. Einio has already reached sexual maturity by the time the local tyrannosaurs are human-sized

and is fully grown before they're big enough to hunt it

[light osprey]

Further concerning it seems some extinct pseudosuchians have proportionally reduced mandibular fenestrae which may or may not play into the amount of attachment room for the adductor jaw muscles.

[steady rock]

Interesting, and did their large herds help in protecting from adults?

[scenic flame]

I image it would have a nasty bite aswell, and the frill horns could help make it harder to get a grip on the neck. Though the rapid growth you mentioned probably is the main factor given their size

[cinder jewel]

Also just a numbers game after a certain point. There were simply enough Einiosaurs that tyrannosaur predation didn't lead to population decline. If a tyrannosaur family eats one Einiosaur a week from a herd, but the herd successfully rears seventy babies to breeding age, that's still net growth overall.

[steady rock]

Also, why did it even have a horn if it's gonna face downwards

[jagged trellis]

prolly for better foraging or because it wanted to

[steady rock]

May I ask how you'd forage with that thing?

[jagged trellis]

better leverage for a log or rock or other heavy item without blocking the beaks access too much from the looks of it, but hey if we don't know what something is for the normal answer is: its hot

[amber dune]

Are their any prehistoric snapping turtles??

[white matrix]

Did it not live in Hateg (now Romania) instead of Finland? And 66 mya is... not correct..

[cloud dagger]

Finland barely has any fossil material

[compact leaf]

did they mean the artwork is in finland?

[frail robin]

Hatzegopteryx was found in Romania, but most likely lived throughout all of Europe. Also I am pretty sure it did live in the end of the Cretaceous

[white matrix]

Maybe? Wording is so confusing to me.

[tough parcel]

Yea, I think that it means it was made in Finland

[light osprey]

Apparently PhP claimed that Phosphatodraco was 9 feet tall last I heard it was more like 6. Thoughts?

[sudden wind]

They can make mistakes.

[stiff osprey]

6 feet tall sounds small for Phosphato

The largest individual here is about 7 ft - if it stood really upright maybe 8 feet?

[pearl briar]

uhhhh
where are the rest-

[stiff osprey]

of its bones?

[light osprey]

Oh yeah I guess it was closer to 8. Maybe 9 is entirely possible then 😳

[dreamy sleet]

it depends on there species and growth of course

[ancient crystal]

In the ground, of course.

[pearl briar]

yes

https://youtu.be/TgHritshrq0

were dinosaurs a good parents?

[jagged trellis]

probably, i mean they are today

[orchid estuary]

like maisaura

[weak osprey]

depends on the species, you would have dinosaurs that would raise young all the way into adulthood, and dinosaurs that would just lay some eggs in a warm ditch and just leave.

[jagged trellis]

just like us

anyways you had sauropods just dropping em off with 5 bucks and then vanishing, while the famous maia keeping em well fed in nests and everything inbetween

[light osprey]

Chad Maiasaura.

[weak osprey]

Things like medium-small herbivores likely raised young into adulthood, where the young would simply become adult members of the herd (perhaps males would be excluded depending on social structure). Things like carnivorous theropods could've raised young until their young reached sub-adulthood, where they may have been seen as food, although some carnivorous theropods would've kept their offspring around after they became mature and just had small family groups. Sauropods probably take the cake for worst parents, where their parental skills only go as far as to find a good place where their young have the highest chance of survival (although this doesn't make them "bad" parents, they were too large to brood their eggs obviously, and if they kept their young around, they could risk stepping on them.)