paleontology

[flat pond]

Sergi is doing it as part of their KTO mods

[heady thunder]

Nice.

[small dagger]

Sergi the visionary

[flat pond]

Hopefully it’s like this sleepy little beast.

Speaking of tyrannosaurs, how accurate is PoT Daspletosaurus compared to this skeletal

[hushed valve]

pretty accurate

[small dagger]

So is Rex itself I think

[stoic tinsel]

Very only issue is dasp still has rex leg proportions

[flat pond]

Except for the head a bit and some of the textures, yeah PoT is pretty accurate.

[flat pond]

Oof he got extra leg day.

[small dagger]

The head is kinda off (Rex

[flat pond]

Yeah looking at both rex and dasp, dasp does have the rex legs.

[stoic tinsel]

just a remnant from the old model

[woeful falcon]

You're right. This guy tho

[small dagger]

Why does Rex have no crests in pot while all other Dino’s have them to an accurate extent

[flat pond]

Ah that reminds me, for the formation that PoT Daspleto comes from, it’s an unnamed species. Since Gorgosaurus is from there and has a named species from there, wouldn’t Gorgo have been the better idea to go with or would it have been to similar to Allo?

[heady thunder]

Which formation does the POT daspleto come from, inst it just a regular daspleto?

[flat pond]

The Dinosaur Park Formation

[woeful falcon]

Tyrannosaurus, depending on your specimen, didn't always have the most noteworthy horns. But also the model is relatively old, is prolly why

[heady thunder]

That sounds like an amusement park

[small dagger]

How old?

[flat pond]

Lol it does but trust me it’s a real place.

[woeful falcon]

Idk. But you can tell it is based on the contrast if model quality with it vs newer models

Also Das is known from multiple formations

[small dagger]

Seems spino quality to me, maybe older? I’m not sure

[woeful falcon]

Dinosaur Park, Two Medicine, some other one I can't think of. Depends on the species

[heady thunder]

Nice, but what makes you think that dasp has been based on one specimen from that formation, wasnt dasp decently widespread?

[stoic tinsel]

Albertosaurines are all crest

[flat pond]

Oh I wasn’t saying that. I just remembered their Indigogo saying about their dinosaurs from certain formations.

[woeful falcon]

Actually, since PoT is based on random's skeletal, you can see what specimen(s) its based on.

[flat pond]

Even though yes each genus was pretty widespread

[stoic tinsel]

It's the holotype

[small dagger]

Anyone know the accuracy of the crests and general head of the BOTM Tyrannosaurus Rex?

[stoic tinsel]

It's perfect afaik

[woeful falcon]

Good. Baardo's (the one who made the model) one of the best and is no stranger to Tyrannosaurus

[flat pond]

I have the WWD one

[small dagger]

Wish that was ingame, amazing model, almost bear like lips

[woeful falcon]

Baardo is very experienced. In fact, he did the model for the carno skin paper

[small dagger]

You have one?!

[stoic tinsel]

Bruh I bought it and I also bought the yuty and bista so now I'm waiting for the bista to come out during the summer before they ship me any of the other ones I bought and I'm actually pissed about it

[heady thunder]

Hmmm, Im not that ancient, so I wasnt around at that time, but itd be nice if we knew what specific specimen were the dinos based on. Wanna see what the Kai was based on lel

[woeful falcon]

Mm mm MMM! Beautiful

[small dagger]

Perfect accuracy

[flat pond]

He also did one for Borealpelta

[small dagger]

Very cute boi

[woeful falcon]

Oh ya, Saurian's models are baardo. The Isle's too

Very talented and experienced

[flat pond]

Yup. I love Baardo’s models. Top quality and everything.

[small dagger]

Baardo is an amazing paleoartist I love that he makes accurate extinct animals while still being in his style. Truely amazing work

[flat pond]

Also yes, I backed the Kickstarter the day it came out.

[small dagger]

Are we still able to buy? I plan to get one cause it’s so gorgeous

[flat pond]

Not the Kickstarter exclusive ones but the normal ones yes.

[small dagger]

You got a link to the store?

[flat pond]

Baardo is also help doing the Cyberzoic series as well.

[flat pond]

Here ya go.

https://creative-beast.com/product-category/beasts-of-mesozoic/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAweaNBhDEARIsAJ5hwbfK6fkxL_TYr08mhrcd7MrueUFHPON4tIPIxAbscCaNdR9bXXpNPccaAgiKEALw_wcB

[slim ridge]

It does lol, Laten, Styraco, Anodonto and Para are also from there.
Well technically not Laten anymore I guess

[small dagger]

Didn’t see the smaller one,

[flat pond]

I really can’t choose between Gorgo or Dasp to get next.

[flat pond]

The WWD one?

[small dagger]

No, there’s a smaller scale adult Rex

[flat pond]

Oh, I found it.

It’s on the second page.

Also I think I’m leaning towards getting Gorgo next. It’s such a beautiful figure with amazing colors.

[heady thunder]

Laten resides in our hearts now.

[slim ridge]

The colors are very pretty so I’d get that one

[flat pond]

Ah yeah, I forgot to put up that formation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur_Park_Formation

[heady thunder]

I like the dasp one more, but both are superb.

[cinder jewel]

Ah. A fellow WWD skin enjoyer. Backed that the second I saw it.

[steady rock]

how old could nigersauurs get or any sauropods in general?

[flat pond]

Same. I just had to have it.

[steady rock]

i just need to know how old sauropods could get

[flat pond]

Yeah I didn’t do their Indigogo but I looked it up and it states that their Daspleto comes from the Dinosaur Park Formation. Here’s the link to it.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/path-of-titans#/

[compact leaf]

probably really old, big animals already tend to live a very long time and big reptiles tend to take that to the extreme

[flat pond]

Though looking at the formation, it’s part of the Judith River Group so, it could have been any species of Daspletosaurus at this point.

[small dagger]

Large land reptiles and large sea fairing mammals tend to be the longest living animals so yes sauropods could probably get quite old

Maybe even as old as your mother /j

[alpine summit]

How accurate is the tail feather shape on this Dromaeosaurus?

[ocean drum]

it seems to be quite accurate but the entire tail should have feathers going outwards the entire way and going further the further down the tail like pp's dromeaosaurs but rounded i guess

[alpine summit]

Nice, so they're more rounded towards the end like that? Rather than how the tail of the Velociraptor on Prehistoric Planet looks? The one on there has long feathers all along the tail.

[ocean drum]

witch it should have

[little mauve]

No one knows. Older estimates based on reptiles of 100+ years are wrong & based on an ectothermic model. I'll try to find the source but iirc the oldest Sauropod specimen we have is about 30. We know they reached reproductive maturity very young compared to mammals so they probably had a shorter lifespan as well. I think 30-50 is the safest bet right now

[alpine summit]

Ohh, I see I see.

[compact leaf]

they grew fast early on but plateaud about 10 years after sexual maturity, not a lot of them have been aged to my knowledge but a longer lifespan makes more sense to me, granted sauropods had some really weird stuff going on with metabolism so there’s things we don’t fully understand

some of them also seem like they existed at naturally lower densities, to sustain that you need a longer life to pump out as many babies as possible with so few reaching adulthood

[tough parcel]

There is no "accurate" way to depict dromaeosaur tail fans because we don't have fossil impressions as well as the fact they can vary between species

[little mauve]

With their life histories they probably didn't spend all that much time at adult size, 800 eggs in 30 years is pretty good compared to 480 in a 70 year old croc. You're right though, not enough aging has been done & they surely had strange metabolisms & life histories. I just think the century Sauropod has become a bit of a trope wanting for direct evidence

[compact leaf]

they have a lot of really weird stuff going on so there’s a lot of things possible at this point, a big part of why large animals live so long is because of how good their bodies are at repairing themselves (it’s also why they generally don’t get cancer) so a large animal usually lives a long time as a byproduct of avoiding cancer if that makes sense

[little mauve]

Yeah that makes sense, could be true for dinosaurs

[compact leaf]

I work with a cancer researcher so I hear about it a lot lol

[little mauve]

Lol that's really cool! Cancer is the worst. A centrosaur was found with an osteosarcoma, interestingly enough, but AFAIK it's the only case of (bone) cancer thus discovered

[compact leaf]

there’s some cases of it in hadrosaurs too iirc

[little mauve]

Pretty fascinating, I wonder what the rates were like

[slim ridge]

Sauropods be just so wildly different from anything we have today, hard to compare em to something

[compact leaf]

if you’re not living a long time at a more reasonable size it becomes less of a problem but at the huge sizes sauropods got they would need some sort of anti cancer agent or they’d all show signs of it, we’re still figuring out how it works in modern animals so there’s a lot we still need to research but it spans across several groups so it’s not a huge leap for it to be present in sauropods

[exotic quest]

just randomly thought of this and wanna put it down before i forget. i wanna see herbivores get 'drunk' off fermented fruit or smth else that makes them act like they're under the influence

[little mauve]

Agreed that it wouldn't be a big leap for sauropods to have it, crocs don't get cancer right? By the same token though it could mean they didn't live that long past a certain size. This is a rich & fascinating area of study potentially, if you have any news or research to share please do!

[compact leaf]

it‘s more that there would probably be signs of cancer in them if they didn’t have those dna repair mechanisms (they’d be riddled with it at that size), but long lifespan seems to come as a side effect of that

[exotic quest]

especially bc cannabaceae plants are known to have been in hell creek

[compact leaf]

we see it in all the largest mammals and reptiles, I’m not sure if it’s been recorded in other groups but I think sharks may also have it

[little mauve]

I see what you're saying, that makes sense

[neat drum]

Fun fact cannabacae evolved toxins specific to reptiles, likely to deter being eaten by dinosaurs

Its why modern species are toxic to birds and reptiles

[cinder jewel]

There's a Shunosaurus that gets high in Dinosaur Revolution if you haven't seen that

[slim ridge]

Shunosaurus my beloved

[exotic quest]

yeah, thats true, but other than that there's not really any other ones

[little mauve]

So I tracked down one of the papers- Longbone histology of the Tendaguru sauropods: implications for growth and biology

[compact leaf]

oh that sounds interesting what does that one say?

[ripe ruin]

Somebody say shunosaurus?!?!?

[little mauve]

Can we share scihub links here does anyone know? Would be easier to share it. Polish lines could only be quantified in a very large specimen of Janenschia: sexual maturity attained at <11, max size <26, death <38. That's less than or equal to, I dunno how to underline in disc lol

[compact leaf]

so it was at least 38 when it died?

you can just pm me the link if you want I’m not sure if we’re allowed to post them here either

[red willow]

Tenth birthday portrait for spinofaarus🥳

[little mauve]

Sent, no it was no more than 38

[young otter]

wasnt there smthn like a theory or other about things like whales being so large that when cancerous tumors tried to spread they relied/grew from the main tumor that started, so theyd drain the main tumor and then starve off bc their bodies were able to restrict those tumors or something??

[neat drum]

I was abouta keel over think spinofaarus is 10, but its only 7

[wary heath]

I'd like to think over 100

[honest wave]

new spino skeletal, turns out it floated about a meter and a half above the ground, using electromagnetism to travel along rails

[coral hamlet]

spinofaarus was good but flying spinowyrm is better

[ruby geyser]

From what I know huge animals like whales tend to not have cancer cuz they are to big even if I don’t know how it works, maybe it was similar for them to

[inland thunder]

what dino did conca hunt? I forgot

[river citrus]

the spino lore grows

[bright veldt]

The only other dinosaurs known from Conca's formation are Pelicanimimus, Mantellisaurus, and various birds with some indeterminate coelurosaurs/troodontids here n' there.

[wind prairie]

ah yes, pelecanimimus, an unbelievably based animal

[rose gate]

Would a Brachiosaurus win a race against Argentinosaurus?

[neat drum]

Probably not, sauropods werent super speedy in terms of propulsion, so it comes down to stride

Iirc argentino has the longer stride, thus the faster speed

[rose gate]

Will the weight not gonna affect the speed?

I can't underestimate Brachiosaurus limbs they're super long too

[stiff osprey]

Giraffatitan wins against both

[neat drum]

Giraffatitan gets clapped by a stray bit of lightning

Actually, how tf did sauropods deal with lightning

[woeful falcon]

carefully

[rose gate]

I am asking both if ever in the future, I will compare the PT Argent against Brachio. In PoT game.

[stiff osprey]

probably knew instinctually to keep their heads down during storms, or just lived in places with lots of trees taller than themselves

[neat drum]

Giraffes deal with lightning by not living in areas where lightning is common, but captive giraffes are at risk of being struck if not given shelter

Being tall and full of water makes you a living lightning rod

[stiff osprey]

If we assume Brach was similar in speed to Giraffatitan (probably a bit slower since it's more robust but still) then yes, it is faster than Argent

[jagged trellis]

with stride

[true urchin]

anyone know what scales were on rexes face?

[stiff osprey]

big ones towards the snout, smaller ones at the back, like this

(but with lips, in case someone points it out)

[frigid coral]

isn’t that meant to be a whole different species

[stiff osprey]

it's Zhucheng, but they did a better job portraying the scales here than on PNSO's actual T.rex

[sand sandal]

What's bigger, giraffatitan or brachiosaurus

[stiff osprey]

Brach

[sand sandal]

Height right? I plan on making a giraffatitan mod

[stiff osprey]

Brach is heavier, length and height are pretty similar for the two (aside from a dubious fragmentary Brachiosaurus specimen)

[compact leaf]

the holotype for brachi is a subadult so we don't have a full grasp on the adult size right now but it seems like it was all around a bigger animal than giraffa

I mean the holotype is already huge but specimens like the delta giant just keep pushing the potential adult size upwards

[sand sandal]

if yall dont mind me askin, what abt tallest sauropod

[compact leaf]

sauroposiedon technically has it but it's incredibly fragmentary, past that I would put my money on brachi

[stiff osprey]

there's a study taking blood pressure into account that suggests sauropods could only raise their head 11-12m above the heart, that would make Giraffatitan the tallest because it has the longest forelimbs (again unless that one fragmentary Brach specimen)

[small panther]

who'd win in a fight though, giraffa or a brachi?

[stiff osprey]

...I like how it's"only" 11-12m lol

[sand sandal]

ok, i wanna make the tallest sauropod possible and realistically lol

[compact leaf]

the very few brachi specimens we have that can possibly be attributed to adults push it past the largest giraffatitan so I would go with sauroposiedon first, then brachi, then giraffa

[sand sandal]

good picks? 2 will be left but i may add some i like alot anyways

[stiff osprey]

I should note the delta giant/potter creek/whatever are not that big, both are the size of the holotype or like 4% larger max

the larger specimen i refer to is the Recapture Creek femur, which has a 50/50 chance of being a brach or Camara

if it's Brach then it's about 10% larger than the holotype

[sand sandal]

argents not there because of pt's

[compact leaf]

there is another possible adult specimen let me find it real quick, regular scaling puts an adult brachi at 28 ish meters anyway even without those

[sand sandal]

ok

[stray wren]

Sauropods are really hard to get actual good size estimates for because they're all so fragmentary. Esp the larger ones, scaling with femurs and footprints can give drastically different sizes to what the animal would actually be so it's very likely we'll never know

[ancient crystal]

Given that sauropods are so fragmentary, what is the best preserved species?

[flat pond]

If you’re just talking about any species of sauropod, it would be Camarasaurus. Here is CM 11338, the most complete sauropod skeleton ever discovered.

[pearl briar]

if rex is not friend then why rex is friend shaped?

[stiff osprey]

lots of killer animals are friend shaped - bears, lions, jaguars, anacondas

[white matrix]

[hallow spear]

Anaconda is friend shaped??

[small geyser]

I guess if you think of it as a living pool noodle. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[white matrix]

Why is late friend shaped when it is a murder turkey?

[slim ridge]

i mean it's kinda cute i suppose

[cinder jewel]

have worked with anacondas, can confirm they're super friend shaped

[twin tapir]

Of course

[small dagger]

BOTM rex is so good,
(cough cough PoT devs gib)

[jagged trellis]

everything is friend shaped

[rose thorn]

That’s a lie. Anglerfish are not friend

[jagged trellis]

wym they be round and compact, just like some friends are

[heady thunder]

Stonefish are worse

[ancient crystal]

Anglerfish are just awful in general

[slim ridge]

https://res.cloudinary.com/dk-find-out/image/upload/q_80,w_1920,f_auto/42-53005836_bowayv.jpg

He’s just a lil goober, a round lil boi

[frigid coral]

update about the speculative Pachyrhinosaurus
I took others advice and made it more omnivorous, taking in the note that the “tusk” beak can be used for roots and tusks, making up most of its diet. When presented with meat however, it could have a better chance of taking it than other ceratopsians

How is that?

[ancient crystal]

*she

The males are horrid little parasites that look almost nothing like the females

[slim ridge]

True

[river citrus]

quelz a little taller then hatz

[scenic flame]

smaller more complete quetz species

[limpid vapor]

Looks far better

[white matrix]

See there is a very noticeable difference

[snow wren]

And the head is completely different
Hatz : no crest, thick beak, more little neck
Quest : Big crest, elongated and thin beak, long neck

[white matrix]

Are you nine or something

[violet marsh]

No I'm funny

[earnest slate]

there really is a noticeable difference and i think you're all just mean 💀

[white matrix]

That’s a weird and misleading name

[limpid vapor]

both stand the same, both long neck, both big head, both big beak and feathers. One has a crest and one has more skin.
2 differences, OMG such makor idfference, big chance, such drama.

[earnest slate]

they're going to obviously look somewhat similar, they were built for the same thing!!
but there's enough difference to tell them apart

[white matrix]

🤓actually there picnofibers

[limpid vapor]

When you're going to talk, make a point, or don't talk at all.

[earnest slate]

oh so we're just getting blatantly rude now ok

[white matrix]

Truly is the discord experience

[snow wren]

@wheat oar Oh my god that's the same dinosaure ! (Joke)

[scenic flame]

hatze has longer forelimbs and more robust bones in the forelimbs by quite a substatial margin

hatze also potentially has a tomial tooth which is seen in some parrots and birds of prey

[wheat oar]

They look nothing alike dude

[river citrus]

and it was the apex of it environment

[scenic flame]

hatze also has significantly more robust neck vertebra

[snow wren]

I know I know

[white matrix]

Is ThAt a QuEtZ

[wheat oar]

Then why tf you sending that lol

[compact leaf]

we also don’t have the back of hatzs head so there may be a crest, hatz was a more heavily built animal but quetz was taller and lankier

[snow wren]

Second degree

[scenic flame]

I don't think you can decide when a debate is "over"

[white matrix]

Wow he deleted it

[jagged trellis]

correct, you guys can't but i can so its over, now then: spinosaurus

[river citrus]

on god

[wheat oar]

Confused

[small dagger]

hatz could have had teeth?

[white matrix]

What tail does spino have this week

[earnest slate]

anyway guys give it up for the TULLY MONSTER!!
WOOOOOO TULLY MONSTER LETS GOOOOO

[scenic flame]

it's not an actual tooth

[jagged trellis]

buzz saw with removal bolts

[snow wren]

Ah yeah, spinosaurus, the dinosaur who totally looks like a stegosaur

[small dagger]

yeah more like a spike on the beak?

[river citrus]

jet engine

[violet marsh]

I seen that Johnny 🤣🤣🤣

[limpid vapor]

NO U DIDN'T

[scenic flame]

yeah

[snow wren]

Like the talasso in game

[small dagger]

Exactly what i was saying
thats really cool though,

how accurate is BOTM rex?

[wheat oar]

Pretty accurate idk

[earnest slate]

idk but he's a good boy

[small dagger]

Could Thal have actually had a Tominal Tooth?

Not sure of the possibility even with hatz. it is present in other reptiles though so i would assume is possible

[earnest slate]

might have been diet and prey specific, right?
seeings as only a few species of birds have it, mostly birds of prey

[small dagger]

so thal could definitly have had it in that regard

[earnest slate]

its fair to assume a lot of them might have, though the question is whether or not they would have been preserved if its a smaller specimen

[small dagger]

Honestly its not likely iirc Tominal teeth are made of keratin so it would be very very hard to preserver

[earnest slate]

tbh yeah
so we'll never really know but considering the fisher or meat eating diets of larger species, I don't think it would hurt to just slap a pseudo tooth or two on them

[small dagger]

Honestly going off of diet and suspected prey and hunting style we can infer the presence of such teeth

[stiff osprey]

Thal does have a rudimentary tomial tooth, does it not

This protrusion in the beak could house a pseudotooth, speculatively speaking. It'd be a small one though

[frigid coral]

is it possible for it to be more extended irl?

[stiff osprey]

yes, not as pronounced as say a falcon's, but it could be useful in some way

[rose thorn]

Bakonydraco is another pterosaur with such, though it’s on the bottom beak tip

[small dagger]

Hatze also has one on the bottom jaw

[junior dawn]

we dont know if hatz actually had it

[rose thorn]

Hatz’s tooth is based entirely off Bakonydraco’s (which is an odd inference to me given Bakony is a tapejarid last I checked and thus quite removed from Quetzalcoatline azhdarchids)

[junior dawn]

not from bakony, theres related azhdarchids that had it

cant remember the name off the top of my head

i will remove it once i update the skeletal again, but yeah. Iirc it was an asian azhdarchid that had it

[covert lintel]

out of curiosity, roughly how closely related was it?

[junior dawn]

i genuinely cant remember anything lol. Ill have to look through my files to find it, but from what i remember and what i was told, it was pretty close

[rose thorn]

I’ve not heard of any other “toothed” mandibles being the cause behind recent Hatz recons receiving it, so if you find it ping me. Azhdarchids are usually hella fragmentary, so to hear there’s another like Bakony feels like it shoulda made more of a splash in pterosaur media

[junior dawn]

i want to say it was a small asian azhdarchid, but i might be misremembering everything completely <-- very likely lol

[stiff osprey]

It's Bakonydraco

[rose thorn]

Mistralazhdarcho also has a “tooth” like protrusion towards the middle of its beak

[junior dawn]

talked to the teacher that helped me with it, turns out that yeah, it was bakony and i was misremembering and mixing up with an asian azhdarchid that we used as the main ref that is very complete lol. Back when i started doing hatz stuff he told me it was an azhdarchid

which confuses me, cause hes a reliable dude, part of the anhanguera description and overall good with pterosaurs

[rose thorn]

Zhejiangopterus, i.e the holy grail of azhdarchid anatomy. I had figured that’s what you were talking about

[junior dawn]

thats the one

[rose thorn]

Yea, owner of one of only like, 2 complete azhdarchid skulls

[rose thorn]

Mistrala

[junior dawn]

my memory sucks

zhejian was the main one, but there was another one i used for limb proportions suggested by sassy

[junior dawn]

seems like some recons place it towards the middle of the mouth and others towards the front

i feel like i did use mistralazhdarcho for the latest update

im removing the tooth anyways

yeah, it was mistralazhdarcho. This is from my older older version

[rose thorn]

I say leave it imo. It’d seem like a feature the most predatory azhdarchid would have

[junior dawn]

fair
i could do versions like with my valli

[rose thorn]

Why Albadraco? Bro’s only like, a vert and beak tip

[junior dawn]

honestly, cant remember lol
thats from like 2019 when i was taking a class for this stuff

probably me wanting to use as much material as possible cause i didnt know much

[rose thorn]

Fair enough

[tough parcel]

OI, back off. He's my vert and beak tip

[stiff osprey]

Bro had a skeletal reconstruction class? That's unfair 💀

[junior dawn]

was paleoart in general, but we had to do skeletals for practice lol

my stupid ass chose hatz instead of something simple

[vast sparrow]

Did the thalasso hunt on land or did it eat fish

[ancient crystal]

It hunted on land

[vast sparrow]

I thought it’s jaw was made for skimming water

[covert lintel]

that requires a very specific setup to deal with the forces of travelling at high speeds while dragging a light and thin body part through the water, which thalasso doesn't seem to have had

[torn sluice]

Then how come I see a lot of things that claim the thalasso could hold its breath for long times. Was it like a duck?

[ancient crystal]

No, I doubt we have a way of telling how long an animal could hold its breath by looking at a skeleton

[covert lintel]

might be based on the outdated theory that it was capable of skimming

[ancient crystal]

Especially since the only thala material we have is a skull iirc

[torn sluice]

I guess thats true. I've just seen some things that claim it was most likely able to decapitate most smaller prey which included fish and other small reptiles and mammals

Ah that's why there were sources that it coulda been somewhat aquatic. Brazil (where it's fossil was found) was mostly marsh and swampland back then

[ancient crystal]

Well, it could've been a wading animal I guess. But from what I recall it didn't have the adaptations for skim feeding and the crest wouldn't be doing it any favors while diving

[torn sluice]

Yeah. I think if it were to hunt fish it would've probably just swam not skim feeding.

[compact leaf]

yeah it definitely wasn’t a skim feeder that takes some really specific body plans that thal just doesn’t have

[torn sluice]

Well even with that with its head shape it woulda just been dragged into the water if it tried that. Which would probably break its neck

[ancient crystal]

People on another discord I'm in have suggested that it might have acted as a "dorsal fin"

Which suggests to me that they don't understand how dorsal fins work

[torn sluice]

Yeah no. The bottom of its jaw is wayy too flat to skim feed. It would just skip like a rock or sink like a rock either or

However I could see it being aquatic because of it crest acting as a thermoregulator. Just like the spinos sail

[torn sluice]

Damn I killed the chat

[rose thorn]

I’m not sure where you saw this, but there’s next to no evidence to suggest Thalasso’s breath capacity would be anything special. It has no real aquatic adaptation, it’s only real ability in water being the capacity to float (but that’s literally every pterosaur given they are filled with air)

As said, skimming is a hyper specialized feeding method, and even the inventors/sole proprietors of said method have been known to break off their bottom beaks on rocks in the water

[rose thorn]

A thermoregulatory adaptation doesn’t correlate to being aquatic either (not that Thalasso’s crest is such. It’s likely just an extreme example of sexual selection and species recognition given it wasn’t the only crested pterosaur in the area) African elephants are good swimmers, but not because they have giant fans for ears.

[torn sluice]

The same thing could be said for a spino as well though

[rose thorn]

Spino doesn’t share its environment with like, three relatives who also have large sails

Not saying recognition isn’t a functional use for its sail, but likely not the driving cause like it would be for Thalasso who lives alongside 3 other giant crested pterosaurs

[torn sluice]

Yeah I was just reading around albeit some of the sources were dated but from what I could tell a lot of things thought it could have been a crest for aquatic thermoregulation

[rose thorn]

Bad theory’s a bad theory

[ancient crystal]

I saw somewhere that thala's crest was covered in blood vessels, as seen by grooves in the bone. The theory is that thala's crest was possibly for thermoregulation, though theres nothing to imply that it was aquatic thermoregulation.

[torn sluice]

What pterasaurs were undoubtedly aquatic?

[scenic flame]

pteranodontids

[scenic flame]

how? spino's aquatic adaptions have noting to do with it's sail, and on the crest, the blood vessels would be for supplying nutrience to the crest to grow a keratin sheath or similar structure

[torn sluice]

I would love to see a goofy pteranodon

[scenic flame]

but yeah thal is very not aquatic

[rose thorn]

Most ornithocheirians, Rhamphorhynchids, ctenochasmatids were at the very least waders

[dull lodge]

How big was the ankylosaurus compared to the anodontosaurus

[stoic tinsel]

cant forget about pterandontids and nyctosaurids

[rose thorn]

In saying aquatic I’m lumping in pterosaurs with likely/impressive swimming capabilities

[torn sluice]

I probably would assume any of the pterasaurs could be aquatic? Just like how a hawk could if it saw a surface swimming fish

[stoic tinsel]

no

[stiff osprey]

Ankylosaurus weighs 3-4 times more

[rose thorn]

Surface fishing doesn’t make eagles aquatic

Pteranodonts likely spent a margin of their time in and or around water

[scenic flame]

also pterosaurs can't grasp with their feet

[torn sluice]

Yeah. What were the confirmed birds coming to pot? Just wondering how they compare

[rose thorn]

They still had some gnarly claws though

[rose thorn]

Hatz, Rhamphorhynchus, n Thal are the only pterosaurs thus far. Rhamph is the only one adapted for diving/swimming extensively

[torn sluice]

Ah olay

[hallow spear]

That depends on how much anadonto weighs heh

[torn sluice]

I'm excited for a rhamph. They kinda look like small pteranodonts

[white matrix]

Same they look so cool my no.1 is still hatze tho

[rose thorn]

Hell, even just looking at Rhamph on the ground, you can very well tell that it wasn’t doing much of anything except scampering around for somewhere to sleep

[stiff osprey]

turns out the truth is even 4x larger is too small if we use the biggest anky

[torn sluice]

How big are ramphs

[rose thorn]

Outside of hugely long wings and stout necks, they are marginally different

[white matrix]

Like cat sized

[rose thorn]

Largest Rhamphorhynchus has a 4-5 meter wingspan

[torn sluice]

But I'm guessing alderon will make them like human sized

[white matrix]

Rhamphs are so unique looking and I love them so much

[rose thorn]

Definition of scrungle

[torn sluice]

What subspecies of rhamph are there that we could expect?

[scenic flame]

subspecies don't exist in paleontology

[torn sluice]

Well different species of the same family anyway

[stiff osprey]

It would be cool if they made a regular sized, 2-2.5m wingspan Rhamph and a giant Rhamph based on the fragmentary specimen above
but apparently subspecies in POT have to be the same size, so i guess that's not happening

[scenic flame]

it might change at some point but yeah, also i feel size differences like that would be alot more trouble than it's worth with how it effects stats and animations and hitboxes

can always grow to said size and not progress further

[rose thorn]

R. muenstri, longicaudus, and etchesi are apparently the only valid species (obviously muenstri given that’s the type species). In terms of what to expect visually? Different tail vanes and teeth if I had to guess

[torn sluice]

I was thinking different teeth and beaks. I think it'd look cool to see a ramph with big teeth

[rose thorn]

Formal beaks don’t really coexist with teeth

[white matrix]

Maybe the subspecies will be + bleed and +speed

[scenic flame]

the only areas that have any sort of beak like structure would be the tip of the snout

[white matrix]

I can’t wait for ramph and hatze

[rose thorn]

Scrung

[hallow spear]

IF fadenos skull specimen is scaled right

[small dagger]

Very strange, I had no clue it had a beak! Cool

[rose thorn]

Probably to help digging around in sand n tidal pools for invertebrates if it wasn’t traditionally fishing

[small dagger]

Is this amount of lip tissue possible?

[woeful falcon]

https://twitter.com/Beast_SculptKit/status/1287051111195709440

Creative Beast Studio (@Beast_SculptKit)

Here's the final sculpt of the Beasts of the Mesozoic Tyrannosaurus Rex adult! Jake Baardse did an amazing job on this sculpt and it was a real treat working with him to find a distinct look while still remaining true to what we currently know about the species. @LittleBaardo

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yeah. I mean that just looks like normal rex lips to me. but that's also a figure so, idk if there were adjustments to it to allow for mobile segmented parts. like if the top jaw was made slightly wider so that the mouth could open and close. which is why I posted the 3d model itself

[neat drum]

the amount of lips is up to date with current knowledge on rex

but p much as long as its not showin teeth and also doesn't have mammal lips its within the realm of possibility

[small dagger]

What would mammal lips even look like on Rex

[stiff osprey]

like this
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/e010234b-f821-440e-befc-b2f05bc0beab/da9vcdk-db0be4d0-c000-427b-b3b8-88226a340977.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2UwMTAyMzRiLWY4MjEtNDQwZS1iZWZjLWIyZjA1YmMwYmVhYlwvZGE5dmNkay1kYjBiZTRkMC1jMDAwLTQyN2ItYjNiOC04ODIyNmEzNDA5NzcuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.FqRTQCPSorNLAfhizXpuBOELjHPxshpedo164NSIuiQ

[ripe ruin]

Mammal lips
Especially more prehensile lips
Are just cursed

[river citrus]

is it fluffy when I touch it

[neat drum]

bear rex is fluffy, and like a real bear it is quite cuddly looking

also like a real bear, cuddling is best to be avoided

[river citrus]

can't stop me

[wind prairie]

la creatura

[stoic tinsel]

tyrannosaurus front view is kinda cursed

[neat drum]

depends on how its done, i've seen some more regal front views

[woeful falcon]

Hard to look good from the front when their profiles are just so aesthetic

Goes for many theropods

[neat drum]

most people give front facing rex bird eyes which, while fair, a direct bird eye look kinda makes em look a like whack, when if you just make their eyes look like they're actually focusing forward they look more like a big cat

bird eye rex, it looks kinda weird and not like its actually looking forward

more big cat like, it actually looks like its looking down its snout and isn't spaced out

another good one, gives the same vibes as a tiger looking at you vs spaced out murderturkey

[stiff osprey]

that last one is possibly my favorite rex depiction of all time, nothing really striking about it but its stare evokes exactly the feeling i think rex should have

[neat drum]

it is a fantastic depiction, it feels like a predator in the most regal and simple way

[compact leaf]

it feels like it could either be sizing you up or just observing, you don't know what it's thinking and that's the most unnerving thing about it

[neat drum]

its going to kill you, and its thinking about how its gonna do it

[compact leaf]

it's just such a good depiction

we've gone this whole front facing rex conversation without mentioning the Barlowe nanotyrannus that just doesn't seem right

[neat drum]

we dont mention barlowe nanotyrannus

[compact leaf]

he gonna getcha

it's a shame he hasn't done any dinosaur stuff recently there's something super satisfying about his style

[stoic tinsel]

find the cursed ones cause i cant

[neat drum]

witton's front view of rex is fantastic too, gives me tortoise vibes

[stoic tinsel]

bro looks like hes gonna give me some ancient wisdom

[neat drum]

then you have stuff like this which is good...but the eyes throw it off

[stoic tinsel]

tyrannosaur front views are goofy no matter what

[stiff osprey]

the GSP one looks like it's locked in a staredown with the Barlowe Nanotyrannus

[neat drum]

also the rex dipictions from the new lip paper, i just cant unsee this, its the color palette ik but its still amusing

knowing paleoartists and paleonerds, prob intentional too

[stoic tinsel]

tyrannosaurus in no way whatsoever frightens me

well adults dont

[woeful falcon]

Adults frighten me still I'm not exactly a speed demon

[torn sluice]

Is the miragaia larger than a stego?

[rose thorn]

No, marginally smaller

[torn sluice]

It says their longer than stegos but shorter in height. Weight is a little less I think

[tender lava]

Baby tyrannosaurus is terrifying.

[river citrus]

can't be that bad

[tender lava]

It’s terrifying.

[river citrus]

no that's pretty cute

this is some thing else

just seeing that stare at you with something on its mind

[woeful falcon]

Cute until you realize how big even the young rexes could be. And really really fast

[rose gate]

Did the Maip (megaraptorid) replaced the shark tooth lizards?

[cobalt wigeon]

Do we have any skin evidence for lystrosaurus?

[pearl briar]

varanus priscus most up-to-date length and weight?

[bright veldt]

If you mean as a top predator in its ecosystem then yeah, but megaraptorans and abelisaurs did well for themselves before and after carcharodontosaurs were top predators and had little to do with their extinction.

[bright veldt]

6 meters (like in that image) and 400-600 kg depending on the estimate used

[pearl briar]

thx again scan

[frigid coral]

was the arch on the neck actually present in the animal or is it just speculation?

[rain sun]

Is the blue sty skin so much because sty have been depicted alot as being blue. All the sty from my childhood researches wer blue. I must get back into it. I love dinosaurs

[pearl briar]

ask @tough parcel he/she is the artist of the megalania

[bright veldt]

I’m pretty sure it’s just the posture but he can clear it up I’m not sure.

[hallow spear]

This isn’t very good

[eager skiff]

How large is mapusaurus roseae (latest info) bcs i see 5 tons on google but idk if thats correct

Thought so

[hushed valve]

8.8t-9t

and I think 12-13m in length

[eager skiff]

So is giga or mapu larger?

[hushed valve]

Giga is larger

[eager skiff]

Alr

Alright

Would the average giga weigh more than the average rex?

[bright veldt]

It’s comparing the sample size of a few dozen individuals with Rex to the single concrete giga individual. It’s not a just comparison that could answer that question.

[hushed valve]

There isnt really any good average estimates for giga iirc because uh we only have 2 specimens, the holotype and the dentary specimen

[eager skiff]

Okay

[bright veldt]

(Even then I don’t entirely trust the dentary size since that can proportionally vary per individual)

[hushed valve]

true

[teal nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914166403450404918/974767390187458610/unknown-17.png Can someone tell me what this dino is.. I need it 🥺

[stiff osprey]

Simosuchus, it's a land croc

[teal nebula]

Would it be able to swim as well as walk on land pretty well?

[bright veldt]

It’s terrestrial. I’m personally betting it to be a crummy swimmer compared to what people think with crocodiles.

[teal nebula]

I love it.. Its so precious

[snow python]

I know they are VERY fragmentary but, are the two Tyrannotitan specimens adults?

[bright veldt]

Yes

[eager skiff]

there is a lot of large carcharodontosaurids. Whats the top 5 largest..?

[stiff osprey]

Giganotosaurus is solidly the largest, second place could go to either Mapusaurus or Carcharodontosaurus, then Tyrannotitan, then... Acrocanthosaurus? or perhaps Meraxes

[eager skiff]

Okay

[snow python]

Isn't veterupristisaurus 10,5-11m and 4,5-5 tons?

[bright veldt]

Acro would still be larger, fragmentary af remains aside

[hardy ravine]

Do you guys think herbivores had any advantage over pterosaurs

[snow python]

So Acro would also be in the 12m range, and it be bigger than Tyrannotitan which is 11,7m. Right?

[stiff osprey]

the largest Acro is 11.5 m long, while the largest Tyrannotitan is 11.8m (or some variation of that)

[bright veldt]

Tyrannotitan’s also heavier

[teal nebula]

I love how controversial spinosaurus is. Its incredible. And I love the idea that it could maybe walk on 4 legs :0 Makes it more interesting in my eyes

[chilly knot]

Dentary specimen giga estimates are unstable anyways

[heady thunder]

What do you mean?

[hardy ravine]

if they were in a fight would herbivores win?

[bright veldt]

Idk what being herbivores would have to do with it

[stiff osprey]

as long as it's bigger than like, a ton, it'll beat a pterosaur

which is overselling it for most pterosaurs, a 500kg pachy could fold Quetzalcoatlus inside out

[tough parcel]

I could probably do that too

Btw @frigid coral it’s arched in a threat display

[eager skiff]

Pterosaurs are not very strong creatures

[heady thunder]

Depends, most flying creatures arent the strongest fighters since they have a lighter frame, so same size, the pterosaurs are not winning a lot, but a bigger pterosaur can kill smth smaller then it.

[bright veldt]

I’ve often wondered how possible it would be for such large azhdarchids to pose more of a threat when needed given how imposing their beaks are? It’s nearly 2 meters and birds like herons can be lethal with them, combined with the very long reach that it has.

[small dagger]

I would think that the azdarchids would not be too powerful in their bodies but their heads would likely be very powerful. Though their bodies would likely be flimsy

[bright veldt]

Obviously wouldn’t be hunting animals that large, it’s incredibly impractical and dangerous, but I’ve often wondered if posing a threat in that manner would’ve let it hold its own against smaller theropods, like the larger estimates of dakotaraptor

[small dagger]

Maybe Hatz would be better at combat due to it having more robust bones and a more robust body overall

[hardy ravine]

I think the beaks of azdharchids were strong enough to break Most defensive herbivores austioderms

[bright veldt]

Yeah no

[eager skiff]

Osteoderms and i doubt that

[small dagger]

Azdarchids did not have very strong bite forces, plus the herbivore would kill the azdarchid if it tried

[frigid coral]

Would it need a strong bite force though?

(not saying it’s possible, just putting that forward to consider)

[small dagger]

Honestly I don’t think so, the beak may break if biting too hard

[frigid coral]

bones under certain conditions can be broken via brute force (slamming the beak or jabbing it, possibly?)

[small dagger]

Yes

[stiff osprey]

I think the beaks could have been effective at piercing soft tissue, like, if a Quetz pecked a human in the gut that would be fatal impalement. But given the beak is more hollow than in birds (and spear-fishing birds usually target small animals anyway), targeting anything close to its own size would be at risk of breaking the beak, especially if it hits bone

[frigid coral]

ignore any typos btw, this screen is really small

hatz may have been able to break some creatures bones but “most defensive herbivores”? Yeah no.

[small dagger]

Imagine hatz breaking an ankys neck

[bright veldt]

Thank you for that information.

[frigid coral]

I know this sounds a little awesome-bro, but what about Hatz ramming the beak?

[small dagger]

It could probably snap if the victim is large

[frigid coral]

I mean like creatures Hatz actually lived with

[small dagger]

Ahhh, yeah ig if you talking about a young Zalmoxes or a Balaur

Though under larger pressure like a Magyarosaurus it likely would have been dangerous to directly pierce or push using the beak

[stiff osprey]

Against such small animals yeah, the beak works well enough as both ramming and impaling. But against an adult dwarf sauropod probably not

[tough parcel]

Keep in mind, Magyaro’s decently sized even compared to Hatzeg

[frigid coral]

yeah I highly doubt a healthy dwarf sauropod would fall prey

[small dagger]

Is the pseudo tooth on this skeletal correct to hatz or infected from another genus?

[bright veldt]

Nearly a ton in weight right?

[stiff osprey]

Actually, it might be able to kill adult Magyaro

[small dagger]

Not likely,

[stiff osprey]

Hatz's cervical vertebra is highly resistant to stress from shaking (I forget if it was side to side or top-down). If it grabs Magy's head and shakes vigorously enough it could break its neck

[small dagger]

If a hatz was able to grab around its neck it wouldn’t be able to break it, if anything the hatz would get curb stomped

[scenic flame]

I can see it killing magyaro, though I would agree that due to the weight difference hatze would need to be very careful

[frigid coral]

yeah

[small dagger]

Adult Magyaros were off the table for hatz

[bright veldt]

I could see it. Hatz is tall enough to not get actively pushed around by it if it watches its footing.

[eager skiff]

Th is a magyaro?

[slim ridge]

dwarf sauropod

[frigid coral]

I dunno, the evidence for Hatz being able to kill it seems sufficient enough

[stiff osprey]

Magy weighs 600-1000kg, Hatz weighs between 250-400 kg. It's not nearly enough of a size difference for magy to just crush the hatz, especially when hatz is much taller

[scenic flame]

If hatze did have a tomial tooth perhaps it could use it to pierce the neck and cause blood loss?

[frigid coral]

maybe not a likely prey item but one it could still take on nonetheless

[eager skiff]

would a 720 kg kodiak bear be able to solo a hatz....

[small dagger]

I suppose your right, hatz would have to be careful though as pterosaur bones were more aerated than other archosaurs

[bright veldt]

Keep in mind that this is probably the one circumstance where it could happen. Also not going into the things that could go wrong like hatz falling over, getting thwacked by the tail, or the Magyar just turning its back to it and going into a thicket the hatz can’t follow it into

[tough parcel]

If I can, I’m sure a bear would hurt

[frigid coral]

[stiff osprey]

Another way is since sauropod skulls are small and delicately built, even with Hatz's beak being hollow, it could pierce Magy's head if it went through the orbit and one shot it

But that would be some 360 noscope aiming skills on the part of the Hatz

edit: sorry, replied to the wrong comment

[hushed valve]

I mean it’s not impossible

[small dagger]

Azdarchids in general we’re known to hunt younger animals and small adult animals, like small mammals birds invertebrates and baby dinosaurs. So unless there was no other option the hatz would likely not go for a magyarosaurus

[eager skiff]

Hmmm

[small dagger]

Though geese are quite aggressive it’s easy for most animals to fend them off, probably the same for hatz with larger animals, though it’s not that good of an inference

[rose thorn]

Simply punch the sauropod to death

[stiff osprey]

now replying to the correct comment: bears can slap the head off of a moose, a ~300kg pterosaur would be no problem for a kodiak bear

[eager skiff]

My childhood is in ruins

[rose thorn]

If they can't peck it, I see no reason an azhdarchid wouldn't claw/punch something

[frigid coral]

now I have an urge to draw Hatz punching someone to death

[stiff osprey]

against a human yeah that'd probably work

[eager skiff]

That is one ugly thing

[frigid coral]

daily reminder how terrifying Hatz would have been irl

[small dagger]

If PoT hatz doesn’t look like this I shall riot

[frigid coral]

if a Hatz ain’t a terrifying baby eater it ain’t Hatz

[rose thorn]

I'd hope not, I hate how large the gular sac is

[river citrus]

I feel like the throat would be the same a pelican just holding things in there

[heady thunder]

About the maggy vs hatz fight, couldnt maggy just run (waddle aggresively) towards it and knock it over.

[small dagger]

It’s possible, maybe like a pelecan napping up small prey and eating it

[hardy ravine]

Arambourgiana SOLOS youre hatz

[eager skiff]

Is there proof it even had that?

[frigid coral]

this is also assuming the Hatz can’t get away in time, which being fairly agile, it probably could but still a risk

[frigid coral]

ok

[heady thunder]

Yeah but if it runs away, it loses, after all, Hatz is the one who has to kill the other to "win".

[bright veldt]

I think the hatz’s height causes problems with it. It’s more likely to make it hobble over it than knock it over.

[rose thorn]

This is guesstimate work on my part, but the kick of ostriches is able to kill/disembowel attacking lions with some 2000 psi. I'd imagine that Hatz could generate similar/greater force given its size and ability to fly

[small dagger]

Ok, been seeing this alot, what’s the consensus on spino having a lipped or non lipped condition?

[river citrus]

remove the lips it cursed

[stiff osprey]

I don't think it had that. Even if the beak was able to fit a prey item the size of that pouch, it would get stuck in the torso and choke the Hatz to death

[frigid coral]

depends on if your willing to get into a whole other argument about if it’s a swimming semi aquatic or not

[small dagger]

Yeah lol

[heady thunder]

So like it hovers over it? I dont think thatd do it any favors in a fight.

[eager skiff]

Right

[hallow shell]

Hatz could definitely kill adult magy

[bright veldt]

Hobble over it. Hatz is way taller than Magyaro is

[small dagger]

Honestly everything about spino is a role of the dice based on who you ask

[frigid coral]

yeah yeah this paleoart gets used a lot but

[eager skiff]

On the topic of spino. Is this accurate?

[hallow shell]

Hatz kills magy by outranging and stabbing to death

[rose thorn]

No, merely an aesthetic choice artists like to give it. A giant sac like that would also require a wider beak, and azhdarchids don't seem to have those

[frigid coral]

probably not

[slim ridge]

as far as i have heard it's generally partial? as in the teeth near the front stuck out a bit but the rest being lipped wouldn't be weird as iirc it's an ancestral theropod trait.

[bright veldt]

It’s already been discussed why it’d likely just kill itself by stabbing a large target lol

[small dagger]

[rose thorn]

Inb4 Hatz mob hunting mentality

[hallow shell]

I genuinely don't see how, it would outrange it and had much higher mobility

[small dagger]

I wonder how hard is going to work ingame,

[frigid coral]

(by probably not I mean that considering there’s been a lot of things about spino not being able to be biped or quad, thus it probably won’t be accurate)

[heady thunder]

Hmm, yeah, but even them, maggy can just push it even if its lower in height, and if it steps on like its wing thats pretty much a death sentence.

[bright veldt]

Azhdarchid skulls are more hollow than birds that typically stab. A much smaller dinosaur sure, but something hefty like a 1 ton sauropod? It’s breaking its face or doing some other serious damage to itself.

[rose thorn]

I'm sure there was a group hunting pterosaur the more I think about

[frigid coral]

imo if the Hatz makes no mistakes, a huge assumption, Hatz would win against it

[hallow shell]

Hatz had a specifically reinforced skull and neck, I'm sure it could take the force

@heady thunder Hatz simply moves out of the way

[stiff osprey]

tiny fish and aquatic animals when the flock of wading pterosaurs scour the water hole

[bright veldt]

Yknow that the whole thing on hatz being more robust is compared to other pterosaurs and doesn’t mean it can suddenly contest with things several times larger than itself?

[frigid coral]

specifically take into mind the “no mistakes part”

again, it’s unlikely this fight would even happen

[hallow shell]

I'm aware, I'd just need to see evidence that it couldn't take the force?

[heady thunder]

Hey does anyone have a hatz skeletal to compare with a cerato skeletal?

[rose thorn]

Group hunting ctenochasmatids making a giant black heron style umbrella with their wings

[stiff osprey]

Hatz has a wide skull, but i'd wager that was so it could swallow larger things, not so it could stab harder
since azhdarchids probably weren't hunting by impalement anyway

[frigid coral]

gimmie a second

[eager skiff]

thats quite specific

[rose thorn]

I did have one, gimme a sec

[heady thunder]

Need it for, reasons.

[eager skiff]

Interesting

[hallow shell]

I'm pretty sure that a healthy adult Hatz did, at least rarely, successfully hunt an adult Magy

[eager skiff]

Did u make that or find that?

[hallow shell]

Bruh

[rose thorn]

I didn't make it no

[heady thunder]

Thats the biggest for each or just the average specimen?

[frigid coral]

Awh pooh I just finished mine

[eager skiff]

Show urs xD

[rose thorn]

We don't have an average size range for Hatz, it's just the holotype and some inferred material iirc

[hallow shell]

Yeah hatz is pretty fragmentary

[frigid coral]

not too good I just got Scott’s skeletal and lined it up with a Hatz skeletal, can fix it later to show

I didn’t like the feet lined up so I won’t post it

[heady thunder]

Nice, so from what I can see and from my limited knowledge, hatz isnt winning that.

[eager skiff]

Howd u make it.? I wanna start doin that xD

[hallow shell]

Eh, Cerato was within its prey size range so idk about that

[rose thorn]

I don't think pterosaur size variation gets nearly as crazy as that of dinosaurs. We have large sample sizes of quite of few species at their adult sizes n none of them show outlier giants afaik

[heady thunder]

But its prey werent active carnivores who had to coexist with stuff like allo.

[stiff osprey]

a 1 ton sauropod is one thing, a 1 ton bipedal carnivore that bites like 5x harder than hatz and has a mouth full of knives is another

[hallow shell]

That would require the Cerato to get close enough to hurt it

[rose thorn]

Except for like, weirdly small male Pteranodon who I'm pretty sure aren't skeletally mature

[frigid coral]

not sure how accurate the Hatz is but afaik the Cerato is fine

[stiff osprey]

Cerato is faster than Hatz on land, it would get close very easily

[hallow shell]

Source? Do we have speed estimates for either?

[heady thunder]

Realistically tho, hatz would NEVER try and take that fight, one bite and the guy is not flying anymore.

[frigid coral]

one of my first times doing this so if I did anything wrong please tell me

[eager skiff]

Howd u make that? Like howd u put em together lol

[frigid coral]

got two skeletals and lined them them up via the scale bar

[rose thorn]

Hatz v Cera

[stiff osprey]

for Ceratosaurus, speed estimates are 34-44 km/h

[rose thorn]

The Cera lunges, Hatz punches and flies off without further elaborating

[hallow shell]

And for Hatz?

[stiff osprey]

there's a 36 km/h estimate, but it's for quetz, and assumes it was bipedal

[tall ridge]

https://youtu.be/lNDiZGdDBcI

[rose thorn]

Bipedal Quetz

[stiff osprey]

for reference, a giraffe's max speed is 40 km/h (Hutchinson et al, 2021) and giraffes don't have wing membranes tying their limbs together

[rose thorn]

Tfw recons shirk the wing membrane up higher and higher against the rest of the animal

[heady thunder]

I hope it can quad launch fast enough before the offended cera rips its wing off

[hallow shell]

Azhdarchids were pretty well adapted to galloping after stuff

[frozen basin]

Azhdarchids could take off from a standstill iirc

[jagged trellis]

feels abit off seeing the....wide range of speed estimates giraffes have been given from last ive seen( oh and happy easter)

[heady thunder]

100 mph giraffe

[rose thorn]

Quad launch is near instantaneous, it would just take a wingbeat or two to gain marginal altitude (still a huge animal)

[jagged trellis]

seems about right at this point

[stiff osprey]

Rare bird L

[eager skiff]

Extremely common

[heady thunder]

It all depends how far it could push the cera away with the punch and reposition to fly away before it got bit, but idk, Im no pterosaur

[hallow shell]

Only pterosaur that couldn't quad launch was pterodaustro iirc

[frigid coral]

haha

[hardy ravine]

Azhdarchids could hunt mid flight what are youre thoughts on this

[rose thorn]

Why come? Ik ctenochasmatids were likely clumsy fliers but I've not heard of a bipedal launch for them

[jagged trellis]

i mean any flying animal can, the question is how effectively, prolly eh for the Azhd Bois( for the aerial hunting)

[hallow shell]

I read something about due to its awkward ahh body shape it'd need a short running takeoff like flamingos

[heady thunder]

I doubt swinging that huge neck while flying would be the easiest thing, but maybe they could idk

[rose thorn]

They run quad though

[frigid coral]

what is the weirdest pterosaur theory y’all have ever heard

[hardy ravine]

hmm similar to allosaurus

[hallow shell]

I never said they didn't? I just said they probably couldn't quad launch from a standstill

[heady thunder]

Allo? Iirc the axe bite has been pushed out of favor.

[hardy ravine]

Pterodactyls did not breathe like people. They possessed an unusually rigid chest, which could not expand to inhale or squeeze out old air. Extra air sacs existed in their bones, just like birds, but the two could not have breathed the same way.

[stiff osprey]

Pterodactylus was an aquatic mammal that used its wing membrane to swim

[covert lintel]

everything david peters comes up with

[rose thorn]

Nvm, running launch would technically be biped if the arms are flapping. My b

[hallow shell]

All good lol

Such an awkward looking animal ☠️

[heady thunder]

I wanna use it as a backscratcher

[stiff osprey]

I think you could make a quadrupedal running launch, instead of just jumping straight in the air it gallops to gain speed and then catapults itself

Pterosaurs are poorly adapted for bipedalism in general so that'd make more sense than an albatross run for Pterodaustro

[covert lintel]

yeah i could see that working

[rose thorn]

That too, guess it would depend how much of a hurry the animal is in. Quad running definitely looks more comfortable

[rose thorn]

Bipedal Dimorphodon coming for your ankles

[stiff osprey]

not if i take out his ankles first, those are ridiculously small feet to run digitigrade on

[eager skiff]

@frigid coral i cant figure the photo thing out😭

[rose thorn]

Noripterus: Get a load of this guy

[chilly knot]

Dimorphodon is a theropod

[hallow shell]

How y'all feel about PT Quetz terrestrial animations?

[frigid coral]

Maybe

[stiff osprey]

Gallop seems too slow? It's kinda floating in the air in the middle of its stride

[rose thorn]

I like em, but we don't really have a lot of quad running pterosaur animation to compare . The downward thrust of the arms could have a little more oomph imo, but I gotta remind myself of the wings keeping them from going too far forward

[heady thunder]

It looks like it will tip over, but thats just normal for pterosaurs, so imo it looks very neat.

[frigid coral]

feels like it’s in slow mo, I don’t like it much

Animation quality is good just feels a little too slow

[hallow shell]

I have a feeling it'll look better ingame than just renders

[hardy ravine]

what are youre thoughts on dimorphodon

[slim ridge]

neat lil guy

[rose thorn]

Now put it in reverse

[heady thunder]

PRECISE MOVEMENT MOMENT

[hardy ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-dimorphodon-dinosaur-flying-fly-gif-17288089

[frozen basin]

No way, it’s the sultaoclazteuQ

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[novel atlas]

https://twitter.com/omegafreelancer/status/1644905712349245442?t=u0NeRl2j0WILv5InTtaNQQ&s=19

Omegafreelancer (Commissions OPEN!) (@omegafreelancer)

Dinosaur Planet did something few documentaries have had the balls to do before or since. They made a documentary about a popular carnivore, and then made nearly everything that breathes in its ecosystem far more dangerous, if not unkillable outright

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[heady thunder]

I loved this show, especially this episode.

[novel atlas]

Indeed!

[ocean brook]

Nostalgia moment

[heady thunder]

Yeah, this was probably their best episode.

[worn jasper]

Quetz players when they see an unattended infant

[light osprey]

Probably

[hardy ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-jurassic-world-jurassic-world-dominion-dominion-quetz-gif-24875496

[eager skiff]

Way too big. Titan size quetzal

[stiff osprey]

why didn't they just use a smaller plane lmao

[eager skiff]

Fr

[heady thunder]

Thats what they had on set

[white matrix]

A smaller plane wouldn’t be fit for carrying dinosaurs

[eager skiff]

That plane didnt carry dinos in that movie

Jwd quetzal could literally swallow a medium to large carnivore💀

[white matrix]

Yes it did that was literally the pilots job

[hasty wharf]

Man im dead

[vast narwhal]

Highkey

[tawdry lintel]

Hi guys i recently saw a dude claiming that biologically the skull if the T-Rex was similar to a dog skull, im 99% sure is not but i would like to see your opinions

[tough parcel]

I mean, technically all skulls are similar to each other. They're all composed of the same bones and such, but in significantly different ways. T. rex and a dog are in no way similar beyond "yes, same skull bones"

[tawdry lintel]

I get you, but the dude said that in form of how it looks

[ancient crystal]

They might want to get their eyes checked because these don't look too similar to me

[tough parcel]

Thanks, I was about to make that lol

[elfin pulsar]

What’s even that similar about it

[jagged trellis]

they have teeth

[ancient crystal]

They both have eye sockets

[elfin pulsar]

Well… true

[jagged trellis]

they both....exist(maybe)

[ancient crystal]

Some people debate that unfortunately

[heady thunder]

Clearly the same.

[ancient crystal]

Behold, dog

[river citrus]

what breed is it

[ancient crystal]

Its a doyouthinkhesaurus

[tawdry lintel]

Thanks guys XD, i was starting to even doubt, because he was really conviced of it xdd

Btw what is for you guys the most accurate version of t rex ? I would say that mine is the 1/1 replica of Sue from Blue Rhino Studios

[heady thunder]

The one in my head.

[woeful falcon]

You'd be wrong

[tawdry lintel]

The Sue ?

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-guess-kanye-west-we-never-know-gif-5417590

[woeful falcon]

Baardo's rex for BotM, Digital Duck's rex, and prehistoric planet's are my picks personally

[tawdry lintel]

I don't know the first ones : 0 i ll search dor it, thanks for ur answer fella

[heady thunder]

Yeah PP Rex is one of if not the most accurate, maybe a bit too fat in some areas but awesome overall.

[tawdry lintel]

I searched them, now im confused i don't have a fav anymore, forget it XD i love them all

[woeful falcon]

Actually I think baardo's beats out duck for me rn

ah how could I forget, sergi's rex.

[tawdry lintel]

I like how the tail looks

[neat drum]

the BoB rex is one of my favorite rexes, and currently the most accurate in a dino game atm

[ancient crystal]

... THATS Beasts of Bermuda's rex?

[woeful falcon]

ye

[ancient crystal]

I was always under the impression they were the more innaccurate ones

[woeful falcon]

older models yes. but they've had a good modeler as of late. not all of them are perfect mind you, and some of them still have the older models.

[bright veldt]

They used to be but they’ve been cycling them out for newer models

[woeful falcon]

I can't get behind their lurdu's redesign for example, but that's mostly because of the artistic choices and not necessarily for any anatomical reason.

except the lack of cheeks I guess. I'm just not a fan of the no cheek look

[bright veldt]

Hello BoB ptera, their newest remodel. They have the best pterosaurs in gaming atm

[neat drum]

BoB gets a lotta flak for gameplay reasons, but tbh their designs are solid, a good balance of accuracy and uniqueness

like you can look at most of their designs and go "yep thats from BoB" yet it remains accurate or within the realm of accuracy enough to not be outdated or whatnot

[covert lintel]

oh that's a very nice pteranodon

[neat drum]

yeah their pteranodon is fantastic

[ripe ruin]

Bob's new ptera is amazing
(Acro still kinda sucks tho. But I guess it's mostly the animations that are bad)

[neat drum]

their new sai model(not in-game yet) is also excellent and accurate

[zealous summit]

I'm still angered by the inclusion of what looks like avian contour feathers across the body of their Pteranodon

[neat drum]

has that BoB flair with the osteoderms(read: extra keratin, technically speculative but not exactly out there), but is otherwise solid

in game if you look closely its tufts rather than feathers, thats just how it do be rendered ig

[zealous summit]

It was literally perfect before they glued those to it

I honestly think it was way better without them, they really don't look great

[frigid coral]

not pinacosaurus, 0/10

[white matrix]

lol

[sterile jay]

Why does bob have actual good models 💀

[true urchin]

rex scales, are they accurate?

[sudden wind]

personally I'd make them more like how it is in varanids but at smaller scale. but that's just a personal choice

[light osprey]

Feature scales are speculated right? Or did we find evidence of it?

[honest wave]

they dont look like avian countour feathers to me tbh, i think its just normal fuzz

[neat drum]

iguanas are also a p good bunch to refence when it comes to scaled snouts(in terms of how the scale size changes as they get away from the lips)

[light osprey]

I think the field museum model struck a nice balance 🤷

[honest wave]

field museum my beloved

[stray wren]

In general the scales on the nose area should probably be more ovular than circular

[rose thorn]

Individual variation

[stoic tinsel]

field mueseum Sue sucks

[woeful falcon]

Ol backwards gastralia jones?

[stoic tinsel]

yep

[neat drum]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FERJbxaXIAUW-lf?format=jpg&name=small

love this little mans

tiny fish eating horse-croc

[stoic tinsel]

Is it still the most basal planiocraniid?

[neat drum]

i have just learned of this broski but the paper i was skimming says yes

[stoic tinsel]

Fun fact crocodiles and alligators climb trees cause why tf not

[neat drum]

seen it in person

fun fact thats how the tiny introduced caimans survive in the everglades surrounded by alligators 3x their size, they climb up trees the big gators cant follow them up

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah funny little pseudosuchians doing funny little pseudosuchian stuff

[stiff osprey]

there are everglades caiman??

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah there are also Nile crocodiles too

[neat drum]

smooth fronted caiman and spectacled caiman

[stiff osprey]

let's gooo
only gharials and tomies left and we'll have every crocodylian in one place

[neat drum]

florida tryna replicate that cretaceous north america vibe

[stoic tinsel]

I need my terrestrial crocs give me terrestrial crocs who will become terrestrial first the dwarf caiman or the Cuban crocodile

[stiff osprey]

my money's on the floridan dwarf caiman if they survive long term

[stoic tinsel]

Iirc the caiman in Florida are surprisingly a lot more terrestrial than their native counterparts in South/central america

[elfin pulsar]

Really?

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah they run after small mammals apparently although I'm not sure how common it is

[elfin pulsar]

That sounds cool

[neat drum]

somewhere i actually have a picture i took of a smooth fronted caiman sitting on a low hanging branch over top of ~10 alligators that all were 2x its size at least

[stoic tinsel]

Bro had opps

[stoic tinsel]

I just watched a video of a guy riding an alligator and it was just going along with it why are alligators so chill

[jagged trellis]

because

[ancient crystal]

I just saw a video of a guy trying to use his foot to bait an alligator into closing its mouth in an alligator wrestling thing.

The guy doesn't have a foot anymore

[stoic tinsel]

Like alligators are so chill for no reason

Pseudosuchians are so wacky I've seen crocodiles piggy back each other

[eager skiff]

Does anyone have a good allosaurus fragilis size and weight estimate? And skeletal if possible

[stiff osprey]

9.3-9.7 meters and a little over 3 tonnes for the largest. fragilis has high size variation, the smallest are 7.4 meters and 1.5~ish tonnes

[eager skiff]

Alr

[stoic tinsel]

Damn bro got to it first

[stoic tinsel]

I could win in a fist fight against one fyi

[chilly knot]

alligatorid moment

[pearl briar]

ooo gotta save it

[stoic tinsel]

Fun fact there is a song about aepyornis

[hazy flint]

@raven depot Please do not post memes in here. Make sure you read the pinned messages in all channels you plan to use as per our #rules.

[leaden vigil]

Im sorry wat im genuinely curious because field museum sue is my favorite

[stoic tinsel]

They put the gastralia on backwards on the mount which made Sue look way too robust

Which is why it's a notoriously bad reference for tyrannosaurus

[heady thunder]

Guys is the biggest gorgonopsid Inostrancevia?

[chilly knot]

Yes

[white matrix]

I have question

How to change nickname?

[hazy flint]

Please ask questions in the appropriate channels or in direct messages to @feral crane
You cannot currently change your in-game username, however if it breaks our terms of service you can contact our support through #help

[heady thunder]

https://youtu.be/Pikh5SOfy18 This was an interesting take.

[cloud dagger]

Imo jp has done more harm than good as in how dinos are being seen

[cinder jewel]

I don't think that's true. Jurassic park brought us from tail dragging, cold blooded, mindless eating machines to warm blooded, active, horizontal animals. That alone is huge.

But also you can make a strong argument that without the 90s dinosaur popularity triggered by Jurassic park, we never would have gotten things like Walking With Dinosaurs.

Does it suck that thirty years later the Jurassic franchise designs never really got better? Yes. But that initial burst of change is absolutely vital to what we have today.

[bright veldt]

Eh while true Klayton is one of those JP fans that is, for some reason, very insecure about the naturalization of dinosaurs.

(Along with other messed up things with his character but that’s not relevant here)

[heady thunder]

Yeah thats my opinion as well.

@bright veldt Havent heard of that, probably cos I havent bothered to watch him much.

[ancient crystal]

Well it makes sense within the franchise for the designs to have not changed for every animal. But thats more of a lore thing and not suitable for palechat

[tawdry lintel]

I honestly don't have that problem, i absolutely love the real dinosaurs and the jp ones, i rrally hate when both sides argues like they re 100% right, i m happy to appreciate both

[hallow spear]

Unless we lump amplexus to the allosaurus genus

[hallow spear]

Which is funny because the main reason for splitting was high size variation

[white matrix]

what to do if im stuck

[dusky galleon]

I've seen this Giganotosaurus image and several other by the same person on the internet before. (I forgot who it was.) Is it fairly accurate to current knowledge of the animal?

[cinder jewel]

Looks like it still has the too long skull to me

[dusky galleon]

@cinder jewel I completely agree. I think that it is fine to make dinosaurs look a LITTLE monstrous as long as they still are recognizable as the animal they are supposed to be. I cannot fault he original JP movie and The Lost Word or even JP3 for inaccurate designs as they were fairly accurate for the time and things that were inaccurate such as the Dilos were entirely speculative. Arguably for it's time the original JP was just as accurate for it's time as WWD was itself. It is the JW movies that perpetuate innacuracys about certain dinosaurs in popular culture. Some of the JW designs such as Carnotaurus, Allosaurus and Therizenosaurus are accurate enough that while not perfect by any means they are still fun, cool, and accurate enough for me.

[chilly knot]

skull is wrong, neural spines/hump looks too small, torso, pelvis is not deep enough

[bronze pendant]

They've been introduced, yes.

[bronze pendant]

Trees, fences, they don't care much. Funny story: Myth Busters visited us to film an episode on running Alligators/Crocodiles. The "Myth" was kind of stupid, but the one thing the blew Kari and Tory's mind was how adept our Crocs were to jumping 🤣 They wanted to return to film an episode about jumping Crocodiles instead, but never did 😅

[scenic flame]

Jw theri and accurate should no be in the same sentence, also there is no reason to make dinosaurs more monstrous than they should be in a realistic setting, being monstrous is not a recognisable feature

Carno and allo aren't great either

[arctic turtle]

Yk ppl didn’t like how Pot put horns on the Pycno but honestly how do we know the Pycno didn’t? I mean heck we barely have any bones of the animal

[stiff osprey]

People don't like it cause it just makes it a copy of Carnotaurus, should've had carno in the game if they wanted carno

[arctic turtle]

Yeah I get that but still how do we know the Pycno didn’t have horns er say it didn’t

[cinder jewel]

It probably did have them to some degree. Most abelisaurs had something going on cranially.

[neat drum]

Carnotaurus is a fairly unique abelisaur, so making pycno a blatant copy feels off to most folks, esp since you couldve done something unique for pycno

Its like eotrike, they added trike and slapped the name eotrike over it

[arctic turtle]

Yeah understandable and I understand carno is the only animal with those distinct horns but still

[cinder jewel]

That's true. Lots of them have head ornamentation though. I don't think horns is a bad call, but making them exactly carno's horns wasn't great

[bright veldt]

To its credit, at the very least with eotrike it’s already quite similar to trike. I would have no problems with carno horns on pycno as an aesthetic but they’re literally a part of its identity. Pycno is stealing carno’s image rather than referencing it. Unfortunately I believe this to be a trend in a lot of PoT’s dinosaurs.

[arctic turtle]

Also the eo is huge and I noticed the eo is freaking massive in that game honestly maybe too big

[bright veldt]

Eotrike being larger than trike’s a myth. It is way too gigantic ingame.

[vale cedar]

This image don't show ALL the bones some where Lost but they inclued vertebre and teeth

[neat drum]

Eotrike was found not too long ago to not be huge, just bobbleheaded

[arctic turtle]

Still no skull fragments

[bright veldt]

Perfect solution

[vale cedar]

Also Tell me the name of 1 teropod that have horns Just like carnotaurus's... thats right there aren't só pycno probably had diferent structures in the Head(a brazilan that Saw pycnonemosaurus bones here)

[neat drum]

Idk, abelisaurs have so much head ornamentation to reference, bosses, crests, horns, etc, making 2 carno copies was just kinda meh, and from an accuracy standpoint not great, since we know that other members of the family had no horns

[bright veldt]

There was a lot of room for creativity and they took the lazy route basically

[arctic turtle]

I Said the Carnos horns are unique and no other like it I was just saying how to we know for sure it didn’t have horns? Maybe not like carno but horns nun the less.

[bright veldt]

We don’t know for sure, but it’s a low af likelihood. A lot of people use the excuse that it’s “carnotaurus’s closest relative” when that’s not even true. If you wanna go by relations then it should still be relatively hornless.

[vale cedar]

We don't know but it's closests relatives had Bosses not horns

[arctic turtle]

I also don’t like how it’s a glass cannon especially for its size. It’s a big carnivore but can still be killed easily by things like Cerato where in the realistic standpoint Pycno would easily kill Cerato

[tardy panther]

I checked but I don't think this question was posted yet. I was trying to get some friends to buy, path of titans but it's not letting them download it in the switch store. Does any one know what's happening with that?

[bright veldt]

Wrong channel

[vale cedar]

Thats right they simply distroied the brazilan t.rex

[arctic turtle]

Exactly what I’m saying. Now I kill many large things as it but still it’s a large carnivore and shouldn’t be tanked by Cerato. Now I understand that Abelisaurs didn’t have the strongest bites possibly really not strong at all but they where agile - to an extent. Nuntheless it’s going to kill smaller carnivores. Rather it should

[bright veldt]

Eh abelisaurs had pretty powerful bite forces. The weak bite forces smaller prey thing doesn’t hold up anymore.

[arctic turtle]

It doesn’t? When was this?

[dusky galleon]

@chilly knot Is it thought that Giganotosaurus may have had a hump like Acro?

[bright veldt]

There’s been more recent bite force studies. Carnotaurus was tested and had a bite force of over a ton

[arctic turtle]

Oh damn. I didn’t realize that. Now Carno wasn’t the biggest correct? We ant got enough Pycno bones to determine that

[dusky galleon]

No it was Pyc

[chilly knot]

not like acro, but the neural spines are pretty elongated

[bright veldt]

Carnotaurus is the 2nd largest abelisaur. Pycno’s first atm.

[arctic turtle]

New species?

[bright veldt]

It’s been dug up and studied since the early 2000s but it hasn’t gotten a proper paper release / name yet

[dusky galleon]

I have a question. Since it was never used to name an actual animal and instead only a fictional movie dinosaur could a real dinosaur hypothetically be named "Vastatosaurus?"

[arctic turtle]

Isn’t it copyrighted?

[vale cedar]

If Somone whant to...

[bright veldt]

Yeah it probably falls under copyright

[arctic turtle]

That’s what I figured

[dusky galleon]

Shoot.

However there is a trilobite named Han Solo.

[arctic turtle]

It’s named that that’s like calling your dog Han Solo

[bright veldt]

Yeah on second thought nevermind. Nobody’s just done vastatao yet

[tough parcel]

I swear there was actually a thing against doing that

Which is why when Dakotaraptor was released, Mesozoica caught flack for dropping it a day early/Zunityrannus was unusable

[stiff osprey]

Was Zuni unusable because it appeared in a documentary? Lmao L

[arctic turtle]

Was Carno 10 foot tall?

[bright veldt]

Round 8ft

[tough parcel]

As far as I've been told, yea

[light osprey]

Random question for the big brain boys here; how close in weight and dimensions are Albertosaurus Sarcophagus, and Daspletosaurus Torosus?

[tough parcel]

They're incredible close, like only a hundred kgs off from each other, if that

[bright veldt]

Isn’t daspleto quite a bit larger?

[sudden wind]

Depends. I remember Alberto being 3.2 tons and Das between 3.3 and potentially 4 tons depending of how you scale the largest specimen.

[tough parcel]

Yes but that's a large, undescribed specimen so I sleep on it

[dusky galleon]

Not really paleo related but here is a big Aligator. The big ones are really impressive in person.

[leaden vigil]

Thats so crazy to me, they didnt even bother fixing it? Do the other blue rhino models have this problem?

[light osprey]

Argh so much contradictory information on these two tyrannosaurids. I’m trying to get a read on Naut’s Albertosaurus, he’s mysterious as per usual but all I know is that it’s “smaller” than daspletosaurus. I really don’t know what to make of the comment as of yet. I was hoping for a good sized albertosaurine (tsk how dare i mess the subfamily) 😭.

[tough parcel]

It'd be albertosaurine, not gorgosaurid/albertosaurid

[stiff osprey]

Albertosaurus is the cooler albertosaurine regardless, because pack hunting

[woeful falcon]

But gorgo is cooler in every other facet 😔

[whole umbra]

How do gorgo and alberto compare in terms of mass?

[light osprey]

gorgosaurus is larger.

[ocean drum]

Actually Alberto is heavier

[light osprey]

I don’t think so… how recently have their weight estimates been adjusted?

[ocean drum]

lemme see because the one in November 2022 stated that Alberto was heavier aswell as previous studies/papers making that same statement.

[light osprey]

This was their relative size to my prior knowledge 🤷

[ocean drum]

ah I'm thinking about the study from the RTM witch is still accurate tho

[sudden wind]

I really like Albertosaurinaes. I usually like more basal Tyrannosaurs with their still lanky builds so Alioraminis are also included among my fav Tyrannosaurids.

[chilly knot]

Albertosaurus and gorgosaurus fans when one is 100kg heavier

[exotic quest]

how accurate is PT arg?

[ocean drum]

I ain't no Alberto fan but it is heavier I kinda find it funny because I've lived there for 10 yrs and then had to move for instance I'm turning 16 in June

[chilly knot]

It is slightly lighter according to GDIs

[dusky galleon]

It honestly probably varied in life.

[sudden estuary]

Any Gorgonopsid enjoyers? 👀

[vivid ridge]

Me KINDA

Any Hateg island enjoyers?

[wind prairie]

wait then how tf do we have dinosaurs like thanos lmao

[hardy ravine]

I Recently discovered ostafrikosaurus

[hardy ravine]

trinocerakacetherium would do you cant find this word anywhere

[dusky galleon]

I have a question regarding theropods. Which has the longest/largest skull?

[hardy ravine]

GIGA

[chilly knot]

Longest either Spinosaurinae indet. or Giganotosaurus

[hardy ravine]

Spinosauridae*

[covert lintel]

spinosaurinae is a real thing that exists, and some specimens formerly considered to be spinosaurus are currently spinosaurinae indet.

[woeful falcon]

We need more Albertosaurines

[little mauve]

Agreed!

[neat drum]

Just glue lil horns on tyrannosaurus, boom

[little mauve]

So many new tyrannosaurines over the past few years but the albertos need some love

[stiff osprey]

Albertosaurines need to be lumped already tbh, they're clearly a terminal in a tyrannosaurid grade instead of a separate family

Albertosaurine has 2 species, Tyrannosaurinae is like. 15

[little mauve]

Yeah I'm beginning to lean that way as well

[arctic turtle]

We need more ceratopsians IM JOKING

[sudden wind]

We will lump ceratopsians together

[chilly knot]

Lump all into Megalosaurus

[little mauve]

lump all into S. humanum

[scenic flame]

is this referring to lumping alb and gorg into the same species or making it so albertosaurini doesn't exist and alb and gorg are just simply tyrannosaurids

[hardy ravine]

imagine the tyrannosaurids that lived in tropical rainforests and didnt fossilize due to soil acidity 🥶

quick question' did Albinism happened in prehistoric wildlife Im just imagining a Albino Deino it would be awsome with this concept

[heady thunder]

The Amazonian Tyrant🥶

[compact leaf]

it’s certainly possible but there’s not really a way to tell in dinosaurs, something recent like a mammoth there’s more of a chance of us finding actual evidence for it

[coral hamlet]

since albinism is a genetic mutation it's likely if an organism can reproduce, it can also have cases of albinism. I don't see a reason dinosaurs couldn't be albino

[compact leaf]

oh yeah absolutely I’m just saying there’s not a way to tell if a dinosaur was albino

[hard flame]

Path of Titans needs to add a little bird guy to the list of dinosaurs. They're perfect <3

[coral hamlet]

a lil birb guy is necessary

[covert lintel]

stuff like albinism, melanism, piebaldism, and other applicable mutations affecting pigment definitely occurred in prehistoric animals, even if we lack direct evidence. they were probably just as rare (if not rarer; more on that in a sec) than they are today, but they were around.

(habitat fragmentation caused by human activity has caused some modern animals to have much lower genetic diversity than they would otherwise, which results in mutations like albinism being more likely to be expressed when they pop up. i think? i'm pretty sure that works like that? it's simplified down but I Think It's Right? hlep)

[rose thorn]

A number of them can be. Looks at Vagaceratops, Titanoceratops, Terminocavus, Coronosaurus and Mahairoceratops...and this iceberg could go for a while

[coral hamlet]

I think it would have been more common actually since there was like 10x more creatures alive at one time during those eras due to the perfect balance of nature and no humans to disturb the populations

[covert lintel]

in a population with good genetic diversity, the chance of a mutated animal breeding with another animal with the same mutation is lowered, as they're less likely to be close relatives (meaning they're less likely to share genes, including mutated ones) and there are likely more options for mates in general

there's also the fact that humans sometimes intentionally cultivate mutated animals, such as piebald cows, colourpoint cats/rabbits/mice, various weirdly pigmented reptiles, and specific morphs of fox - and how that didn't happen in the mesozoic for obvious reasons

[inland thunder]

Honestly if I were a trike running from a rex, I would run in fear cause it can out ne

[jagged trellis]

if we are being real it would prolly be the reverse but neither wants to face a shield of doom or a mouth of snapping

[inland thunder]

True

[sudden wind]

ik, that's why I said this

[inland thunder]

Legit trike

[sudden wind]

I still think that a trike will try to run away first even if does not have the endurance to get out of the situation. That's a general predation reaction from prey animals when facing a serious threat.

[inland thunder]

My feeble brain is sadly unable to comprehend what this means

[stone plover]

yeah, generally an animal is gonna try to take the escape route before risking permanent injury fighting back

[jagged trellis]

would probably hold ground to try and scare it off first before wasting energy, might be like wolves v elk if the trike runs it loses but if it hold ground it wins( and ye them being nothing alike i'm aware)

[inland thunder]

i understand

[sudden wind]

https://youtu.be/Dm6hhtT3tZ4
https://youtu.be/VlZ5ddpqFbs

Here are some examples of what I mean. even if the herbivore is completely capable of hurting or straight up killing its predator, it will act as prey and first so try to not get injured by fleeing.

However, it is absolutely capable of turning its back and fight against multiple opponents. Though, predators being killed in a hunt happens very rarely because they give up first before anything serious may happen to them.

[covert lintel]

wasting energy is better than being wounded; most prey animals will go to run before attacking when threatened, even the frighteningly large and aggressive ones

[slim ridge]

The interaction is prolly very different considering the size disparity and numbers involved for wolves and elk compared to trike and Rex

[jagged trellis]

true also man everyone went up soon as

[heady thunder]

Yeah, the best comparisons imo would be stuff thats sized similarly to Rex and Trike.

[sudden wind]

We have very little clue on how social those 2 animals were. If anything, Triceratops could have lived in small groups as far as we know and not giant herds.

For Tyrannosaurus it could also have lived in some kind of groups as well but nothing is certain about that.

[jagged trellis]

i mean its the exact same for rex unless its a very dire case, but ye

[slim ridge]

Sadly we don’t rlly have that anymore given the largest fully terrestrial predators haven’t reached 10 tonnes for a while now

[sudden wind]

The problem is that we don't have megafaunal predators larger than their megafaunal multiton preys.

[heady thunder]

True, but cant we draw comparisons for stuff thats similar size? They dont need to be megafauna.

[sudden wind]

Then it's a predator larger than its prey that you need to chose.

[stone plover]

on the topic of that, whats the estimated running speed of trikes anyway? doubt it could outrun a rex in a straight chase but now im curious

[sudden wind]

Then we remember also that the hunting tactics also are rather different. Tyrannosaurus may have been some kind of open habitat predator similar to grizzly bears with crushing adaptations, potentially like tegus (I wouldn't really give hyenas the credit to be the best analogue given their lifestyle and hunting tactics, but tegus also are omnivore lel).

trike is like potentially between 26 and 19kmh, depending of the biomechanic model.

[slim ridge]

Also of “similar-ish” environments and general ecology, as a lot of animal just deal with predators differently at different sizes

[raven depot]

It was an April fool's article about the trex 😭

[slim ridge]

Warthogs may be smaller than lions much like porcupines but they deal with them very differently

[heady thunder]

Idk, are there any terrestrial birds that hunt stuff their size, I doubt it but idk. Since you said they probably hunted like a grizzly, maybe a grizzly vs a big elk? Idk the size difference between them.

[raven depot]

Forget its name, I think Barinosuchus not sure

Barinosuchus my bad, was one of the largest carnivores since the dinosaurs. Commonly 20-25ft long, reaching possibly 28-30ft

[heady thunder]

The first one looks like a picture, the third like an SCP.

[sudden wind]

Bisons and elks most of the time flee grizzly bears. Though I think moose fake charge them but they also end up on the menu and if the fake charge does not work they flee.

[covert lintel]

i don't think barinasuchus is very helpful here, since we're talking about the behaviour of tyrannosaurus and triceratops, and afaik we don't really know more about how barinasuchus and its prey behaved than we do about how tyrannosaurus and triceratops behaved

[raven depot]

I was just talking about it, had nothing to do with tyrannosaurs ngl. Would be a dope mod to see barinasuchus and other crocodylomorphs. They need more tlc

[chilly knot]

We know less lol

[heady thunder]

So yeah, probably the same, as you said even if you can easily beat your predator, running away is usually the better bet then getting into a fight and having to limp for a week cos the thing bit your leg.

[frigid coral]

what we talkin about?

[jagged trellis]

fleeing or fighting as the first move on predator prey relationships

[raven depot]

Dakosaurus new semi aquatic when

[sudden wind]

A week? almost permanently. Also there are risks of infections and overgrowing bones as well that may cause severe complications. It's not because an animal gets out of predation without dying but injured that it won't die later off.

[raven depot]

How can you not love the ocean croc?? None of your opinions matter

[chilly knot]

I dont

[frigid coral]

fleeing imo, unless your bigger than your attacker it isn't worth risking injury, if all else fails, only then would it come down to a fight

[raven depot]

Obvious federal agent of PoT trying to get rid of dakosaurus

[heady thunder]

I was being generous lel, but yeah, like, lets say a buffalo gets confronted by two lions, it will try to flee, cos even if it wins, it will probably get killed by the next ones if it gets injured, Trike and Rex was probably the same, just that now the lion is same size or bigger then the buffalo.

[raven depot]

Ironically Tyrannosaurus possibly had a septic bite. So worse then a lion

[frigid coral]

theres 0 point, in the case of trike and rex, for trike to stay and fight unless it has to.

[jagged trellis]

we also shouldn't forget the carnivores can be afraid and not want to be injured as well, so pretty much what pinaco said

[covert lintel]

wdym septic bite? anything with a wet and warm mouth is going to have tons of bacteria in there, especially if they're carnivorous

[heady thunder]

Dont brush your teeth for +poison dmg.

[chilly knot]

"Bacteria bites as specialized weapon" theory should die

[sudden wind]

Ew, this one is pretty bad. Dakosaurus, and other Metriorhynchids, lacked scales, had clawless limbs and probably had lips.

I really like those ones : https://twitter.com/fishboy86164577/status/1547585043517689860?s=21&t=5YIfQ1iUJ8vyLnA0DQ9XUA
Picture by Dan Folkes.

Tosha (@fishboy86164577)

Dakosaurus is very hard to draw

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[raven depot]

It's not a specialized weapon, it's just it had rank breath

[sudden wind]

Also Dakosaurus maximus skeletal by Sassy.

Dan's also has flaws honestly but it seems better than most recons.

[raven depot]

If they can super size the eot they can do Dakosaurus justice and not make it look like a big tapeworm or glorified moray eel

[covert lintel]

the closest anything comes to that IRL are housecats and their relatives, as they have gram-negative bacteria on their mouths (and claws by extension) that makes cat attacks almost a death sentence for birds, much to the dismay of wildlife rehabbers across the world
(but even then, it only really has an effect if the bird escapes the cat, at which point the cat aint getting that bird back even if it dies later)

[heady thunder]

So that pigeon that my cat missed was lucky then.

[sudden wind]

Honestly I'd prefer them to depict correctly Dakosaurus. They'd be the only media to do so.

[raven depot]

Human bites are also gross asf, aunt got bitten at her daycare and the bite became infected in like 2 or so days. Also yeah if you're clawed by a cat aren't you usually supposed to get it checked due to infection

[frigid coral]

yeah no
dont slander my tapeworm eel like that

[chilly knot]

Me who tanked my cats septic claws and bites💪💪

[raven depot]

Toxoplasmosis Gondi has gotten to you

[covert lintel]

i'd prefer fewer inaccurate playables, personally. kai's already fallen victim to this type of thing

[chilly knot]

I don't suffer from such skill issues

[raven depot]

Personally think it should've been flat realism from the start, but I think it would be interesting if they continued with adding more recently discovered, or incomplete fossils so they could take creative liberties with an actual excuse. Kinda like bars. Also bars needs new animations please

[heady thunder]

Flat realism from the start, so untouchable Rex and Tylo, thatd be healthy for the game.

[frigid coral]

they dont really have an excuse for stuff like bars since afaik its relatives have enough material for us to know that bars is flat out wrong

[sudden wind]

If we wanted realism we'd buff the hell out growth stage of Tyrannosaurus and a lot of animals would be capable of one tapping other ones (which i find fine)

[raven depot]

Rex wouldn't be untouchable, just need to actually use your brain when fighting one. The combat in PoT isn't hard. You just get behind a Rex and chew on it or headbutt until you give yourself a concussion

[heady thunder]

And fight it with what? The realistic eo? Being like half the size.

[compact leaf]

yeah the fragmentary excuse really isn't valid for bars

[raven depot]

Not my fault they didn't want to add a larger ceratopsian

[sudden wind]

Thing is that such tactic wouldn't work on a realistic rex because
1 - it could turn very well
2 - it wouldn't really be near enough to kill it or do any sort of serious damages that could kill it quickly
3 - it would have a much greater health pool and even possibly damage reduction due to it being larger

[heady thunder]

Well no one payed for it, so I guess no one wanted it enough lel.

[frigid coral]

the game would not work if it were purely realism

[raven depot]

I'm not saying change the combat mechanics, just realistic models and more realism rather then what there is currently. Love the game don't get me wrong, but like amarg specifically. Hip structure shows it could have galloped, why not have it gallop? Why's it gotta shuffle like it's gotta piss constantly?
Also realistically if Rex ran to fast it's hip would give out and it would eat crap

[elfin pulsar]

Rex would legit be untouchable with realistic sizes so I can understand why

[frigid coral]

what does 'more realism than what there is' even mean /genq

[heady thunder]

They promised realistic looking models, they should deliver that, they said the gameplay wouldnt be realistic, so we wont get that for balance and fun reasons. In conclusion, Kai facelift someday pls

[raven depot]

It means realistic models, grazing would be cool to actually have implemented. The models aren't really all that realistic. I think they look cool don't get me wrong but there's a difference between super sizing eot because you don't want to add a larger ceratopsian or larger herbivore and actually getting a realistic model and size proportions. I understand they want to be different with the dinos they implement but they should get the size right, if they wanted it bigger I guess they could say "oh it has gigantism" or wtv you wanna think

[heady thunder]

Was Eo added back when we thought it was just trike but bigger?

[raven depot]

Think after

[frigid coral]

afterward

[raven depot]

I'm saying for a game that promised realistic models we got a disabled bars, obese eot, and a kai that needs facial reconstruction 😭

[heady thunder]

So taking into the account the idea was pitched probably when it was thought it was just big trike, makes sense why they did it, also it is a perk dino iirc, so maybe the perk owner wants it to be the old Eo.

[raven depot]

It isn't hard to downsize a model, and we've known eot to be smaller for a hot minute
It's literally giant for no reason besides they wanted their main ceratopsian to be different

[frigid coral]

even if it were the old eo, the one in-game is bigger than any trike or eo estimate afaik

[sudden wind]

Doubt about Amarga being able to galop given its limb structure and not hip (also the neural structure suggest rather inflexibility of the back which is not what you want for gallop).
Ngl I wish some animals didn't galop in the game like Stego, which I hope will get a TLC soon
Rex could go rather fast honestly, powerwalking between 21 and 27kmh at adult age is fast.

[raven depot]

would also eat crap if it ran too fast lol
Also there's a lot of debate on the amarg, it's thought it could possibly gallop atleast short distances, or it could have not. We don't really know

Amargasaurus was a sauropod that shared its environment with other sauropods such as Zapalasaurus and Ligabueino. Scientists disagree as to whether or not Amargasaurus could gallop due to its short legs and wide body. However, its stocky limbs suggest it was able to move fairly quickly compared to the living white rhinoceros
Also if they can super size eot to that extent they did my boy amarg dirty

[heady thunder]

As I also said, they probably want it that way. Look at Metri.

[raven depot]

I'm not looking at metri I'm looking at Eot being larger then any estimates for triceratops or eot. They promised realistic models, and while they're cool there's definitely a handful that simply aren't
There's not really an excuse besides they just wanted to, I don't care I'll play the game either way but I'd prefer them to atleast do it justice

[heady thunder]

If were gonna talk realism, metri is worse, Eo just needs a shrink, Metri is an OC basically.

[raven depot]

I'm gonna be honest, until this game I had no clue what a metri was but yeah, devs are gonna do what they want but there's as I said a handful that need to be reworked. You don't really see people play metri, but about everyone plays eot, and it's literally the size of like, a quarry truck.

[heady thunder]

Ive seen way more metris then Eos, popularity isnt the tiebreaker. I doubt they will make Eo smaller.

[raven depot]

Oh I doubt it too, I don't think they really care too much about the realism at this point but I'd still prefer a bit more realism then what we're given currently
I'm still heartbroken over amargs release and just how bad it is. You don't even spawn in with an attack like wtf. Amarg is just a victim atp

[heady thunder]

I think they just want the models to look decently accurate, the gameplay and size will depend.

[raven depot]

Yeah, just kinda wish they cared more about the realistic proportions and all that but it's wtv, most of the models are very well done (excluding bars and kai they're hideous)

Bars tail slam makes me sad

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[light osprey]

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