survival-test

[outer grotto]

I didn't get that implication at all from that

[tawny shoal]

'would still' implies that he would continue

there is no implication from that

[steady pawn]

i know hatz lacks a lot but it's also kinda doing too much

tbf what i said can be taken both ways

i realize that now

[tawny shoal]

if you really try overthinking it, sure

[outer grotto]

Your idea is interesting and I think it could work in solo matchmaking, not sure that it would fit the fast-paced fighting in normal officials though, but for balance purposes I see the vision

[steady pawn]

cant even fight bro when hes not moving because getting behind is impossible 😭 the lower slots are not winning

[tawny shoal]

but yeah, hatz right now is in an iffy spot balance wise
it's either too strong in particular scenarios or extremely mediocre

running start needs to be updated for a start, though

put it to 2x, like iggys is, instead of 50%

[charred tapir]

if it cant turn fast enough to hit stuff it will die fast. did we forget already that its super fragile?

[drifting pecan]

Super fragile

[steady pawn]

ok but what if it flew away

[tawny shoal]

also the other back limbs senses in running starts slot is just super mid lol
mfw skydiver

[outer grotto]

It depends on what you're fighting, a skilled player can counter hatz with relative consistency every time

[steady pawn]

it needs skydiver so i can jump off a cliff and live

i promise its a good ability (lie)

[tawny shoal]

TBH 'what if it flew away' isn't an amazingly valid argument for hatz half the time, there is so much pinned against hatz to prevent it from flying away

acceleration and body blocking being the main issues

[charred tapir]

with the acceleration so bad, it feels like an obligation (to me atleast) to pick running start. more power to ya if u pick something else tho

[tawny shoal]

everytime i fight a hatz it usually dies just from body blocking

[outer grotto]

The ultimate strat (body blocking)

Same brain Goosa lol

[charred tapir]

exactly, i become 100% flightless when something stands infront of me

[tawny shoal]

without mentioning with fracture, knockback tails and more speed nerfing abilities like sliced
hatz flight is becoming less and less valuable lmao

[steady pawn]

that's true unfortunately

for me in a vaccuum i just think the dino who can get into the air and avoid every playable doesnt need to precise turn on the ground to counter them too

[tawny shoal]

stuff like wingbeat barely helps too, since knockback is so strong, strong legs has been buffed and everything else has more knockback on their tails so everyone is using strong legs

and wingbeat received no compensation

[drifting pecan]

But its a big dinosaur

[outer grotto]

Hatz can become a menace if you don't stay aware of the peck barrage stacks it has , if it runs it

[steady pawn]

lol i almost died on my thal to a sucho because the tail kb messed up my flight so i think flyers may need a little help there

[drifting pecan]

It cant have nothing going for it

[tawny shoal]

unironically 40-50%~ of hatz's kit is rlly bad right now
i've stood by this before, and i will continue to

if the next tlc has a way of slowing down its opponent, i'd probs consider hatz unviable

[charred tapir]

i personally use peck (for stam regen) and either clamp or stab. stab feels better when fighting big things

[steady pawn]

i think hatz just needs a rework

less flight speed but more flight stam and making it easier to take off

[tawny shoal]

being forced to fight low health targets just isn't the play imo

[steady pawn]

the only reason i dont agree with running start buff is because hatz accel is so bad they should just buff the whole species instead

[tawny shoal]

ye less flight speed to make it so thal can actually keep up with it would be nice

ye id rather hatz have basic accel at the start for sure
but its defo not good having an outdated ability in your ability set

[steady pawn]

i just dont like how it flies things down/travels places and scouts way faster than all of the weaker guys

[tawny shoal]

looking at pre-tlc deinon

[outer grotto]

I've had pretty good success with hatz overall personally, it's very good at killing apexes

[tawny shoal]

with ancient thick hide

[tawny shoal]

until said apex learns how to hold W (hatz will never be seen again)

[steady pawn]

its good at soloing apexes or what

[tawny shoal]

that's the biggest issue with hatz tbh

if your opponent just walks at you

you're kind of screwed over

[outer grotto]

I fight them on the ground 😎

[charred tapir]

i think im just done arguing for now. hatz is like literally 1 nerf away from being unviable so honestly i dont think we're ever gonna see eye-to-eye. it doesnt need any dmg boosts or anything, its perfect in that department, but in other areas i think it could use some help or a rework (a rework that doesnt nerf it dramatically)

[tawny shoal]

im talking about fighting them on the ground

[steady pawn]

i mean, fair im a little tired myself

[outer grotto]

Oh, well thankfully I've been able to kill quite a few

[tawny shoal]

hatz usually needs to reposition through flying away which consistently wastes its stam pool, and hatz is always the one trying to be the aggressor

[steady pawn]

i dont want hatz to be unusuable i think it just invalidates a lot with its existence and want a rebalance if anything

[charred tapir]

i may disagree with literally every single thing u said, but atleast it was a civil debate, thanks for that lol

[tawny shoal]

like you can do it obviously, or else there would be no back and forth discussion from hatz and everyone would just agree
but it needs a stat re-arrangement

[steady pawn]

no problem

[outer grotto]

But I'm also always after megapacks so the skill gap is quite big most of the time lol

[charred tapir]

imo, i think release hatz was perfect. its just the megapackers and revenge killers that ruined it. they're responsible for hatz the way it is now

[tawny shoal]

2 slots will always have hatz be unkillable to them
1 slots can completely invalidate hatz in group play
3 slots (outside of like, lamb, pycno and the glorified 2 slots) have a pretty easy time dogging on hatz
4 slots literally couldnt care less about hatz
5 slots are the same

[steady pawn]

release hatz was awful i will NOT miss airpeck

[charred tapir]

....ok minus airpeck, i dont miss that either

i forgot about that

[tawny shoal]

slow fly nerf is also just an incredibly random thing on hatz lol

[steady pawn]

also old hatz was literally just thal but it can actually do dmg

[tawny shoal]

like for what purpose

you cant even grab in air now

why must you be punished for slow flight

[steady pawn]

it invalidated thal so much

i think hatz invalidates 2 slots the most because it outspeeds, outdamages, out x turns, and can just...fly above them

[tawny shoal]

its the turn and damage, really

the speed is easy enough to deal with, as with flight

[tawny shoal]

but hatz is super unapproachable

[charred tapir]

thal is not a good thing to compare to since its SO BAD atm. it is leagues behind hatz AND rhamph. rhamph does its job better. its a more worthless rhamph with a bite.

[tawny shoal]

TBH giving hatz dense hide would've been so good

what dasp has

[outer grotto]

Need my skydiving thal tlc asap

[steady pawn]

the speed gets me cuz it means it can take its power and go to the next POI with it very fast

[tawny shoal]

allows 2 slots to have an easier time with hatz, but hatz can still deal with the larger roster a bit better

[steady pawn]

i think hatz combat is mostly balanced minus the speed

air speed anyway

[tawny shoal]

bah

hatz is just on 2 extremes with little lee-way rn

would rather just a rework

[steady pawn]

yeah true

[tawny shoal]

the kit itself is cool, the stats not so much

[steady pawn]

i always felt that a very powerful dino being given wings is not a easy thing to balance

[tawny shoal]

either unapproachable or overly oppressive
sure there are very tiny moments where its more even but those shouldnt be tiny moments, thats not balance

[charred tapir]

maybe flight in general for all fliers will get reworked with micro, did we forget micro is getting a new gliding mechanic?

[steady pawn]

thatd be cool

hoping that happens

i just want more game balance in general

[outer grotto]

I just want thal to get a ton of aerial combat abilities

[steady pawn]

also i realize the past hour of convo isnt about the gamemode at all...oops

[charred tapir]

i'd be so cool if fliers could not spend stam when gliding, or heck even slowly regenerating it when gliding, but the con is that u cant use any abilities while gliding

[outer grotto]

Fighting other thals in the sky before hatz came out was honestly my favorite form of pvp

[tawny shoal]

icl i dont think hatz is even that difficult to balance
lower precise movement turn
buff acceleration

and immediately it can feel way better to play against as smaller characters and hatz becomes less frustrating to play because of your 10 decade start up

it wont fix hatz

but it helps a ton

with just 2 changes alone

[charred tapir]

this is why i think a flight speed nerf is unessesary, thal would just be a better air fighter. if thal got a bunch of new abilities in the air, and hatz a flight speed nerf, it will be a thal's punching bag

[steady pawn]

idk why we cant have hatz focus on ground fights and thal take to tbe skies

hatz bodies thal from damage alone

[charred tapir]

if the trope mod is anything to go off of, since that also has a ton of ariel abilities. i literally feel flightless in the presence of a trope on hatz

[steady pawn]

i suppose

[tawny shoal]

with only 2 other fliers in the game, one of which focusing on the ground and the other not dealing damage whatsoever, i dont think thal being focused on sky combat is the play

thal would just be fighting itself half the time lol

or dogging on a random hatz in the sky until it lands

[charred tapir]

it works so well for the trope mod, i think it could work, trope kicks hatzs butt with ease in the air

[tawny shoal]

i dont think it works with trope at all, i see it all the time
its just tropes fighting one another 24/7, random thal comes along, gets terminated, repeat

replace thal with any other official flier if you want

[steady pawn]

maybe it means focused on having air based abilities? could fly and attack from the air

its more balanced than hatz airpeck because unless a cheese ability is added thal would be very hittable while trying to attack grounded foes

[tawny shoal]

it's a very small niche that is fine to exist, but it should be focused on other stuff with flight combat as a sub-build

[steady pawn]

thats fair

[outer grotto]

A lot of care would have to be taken to prevent thal from being able to cheese fights

But if it's viable I'd love to see it

[steady pawn]

im surprised if we get air fighter anyway but if we get it and its not imbalanced im all for it

[drifting pecan]

Thal cant do more damage in the air than its current bite,.. or else we’ll have the same scenario as we did with flying hatz peck

[charred tapir]

im all for the air fighter because it would be unique for thal. i dont think thal should of been a swimmer fisher anyways. it never did that irl and theres zero evidence for it. plus its anatomy suggests it didnt either. that should of been souly rhamph's role

[tawny shoal]

thal will never be as oppressive as hatz with air peck

[steady pawn]

thal crashes and dies tryna bite most stuff so we could go a little above that threshold depending on how hittable thal is while doing it

[tawny shoal]

because hatz is fundamentally cracked with it

hatz has the perfect bite animation, alongside regenerating stam per peck

it was always going to be problematic
compared to thal whos entire body is its beak, it has to get super close and then it gets 1 shot

[drifting pecan]

Thals can really mess up spinos,… but that’s more of an issue with spinos sail

[tawny shoal]

i always see thals try messing up spinos, and then the spino just goes into water lol

and thal becomes spectator mode again

[outer grotto]

This will never not be funny to pull off I'm sorry but I laugh everytime I see this

[steady pawn]

hatz can technically peck in the air by using any of its 4 attacks while taking off

it can chase faster dinos with peck barrage by flying into prey with it lol

[outer grotto]

If a thal manages to do that they've earned it

[drifting pecan]

Yeah, but that’s so hard to line up. I’ve never been able to do it.

It’s a one time attack for a lot of stam usage

[tawny shoal]

great, now you've exposed it pot is going to patch it because we're not allowed tech in this game

mfw iggy becomes completely unviable because running barrage nerf

[steady pawn]

i actually messaged the pot mail to ask if it was intended and it is according to them so

[outer grotto]

Thals trying to kill spino players vs their kryptonite (precise movement + walking backwards and vertical bite)

[charred tapir]

using stab while taking off has been a thing for literally forever. its not new

[steady pawn]

i also heard they sometimes ban for exploit usage

unsure if Iggy run barrage falls under that umbrella

[charred tapir]

if it was an exploit it would of been patched ages ago

[steady pawn]

wasnt referring to hatz

but yeah probably

[drifting pecan]

In my opinion, the only thing that hats should have in this mode is very extremely slow growth

If anything else gets changed, I just won’t play this mode

[steady pawn]

that won't change its issue of being hell to deal with as an adult tbh

[outer grotto]

Me and my cannibalistic hatz agree

[drifting pecan]

If it’s an adult, it deserves to kill

[steady pawn]

just makes it take longer to get there

hatz is bearable on officals because at least im not losing all my progress

[charred tapir]

imo, balance should be redone for permadeath if they plan on keeping this, i think similarly to the isle, fights should be way longer

[steady pawn]

what i dont get is why it's allowed in permadeath and not the non permadeath one

[drifting pecan]

And maybe,.. just maybe certain dinos shouldn’t be a perma death?? Like a sarc killing you puts you at adolescent

How would y’all feel about that?

[steady pawn]

that negates the purpose of the mode tho doesnt it

maybe rebalance the problem dinos instead

[drifting pecan]

Yea,.. but it gives the complaint something to grasp to

Ur asking to make a already slow dino more slow

[steady pawn]

you mean the dino that outspeeds every land dino ever?

[drifting pecan]

Idk what to tell ya bub,.. ive tried spitballing with ya… the only thing you’ve said is Nerf it flight speed

If we nerfs hatz flight speed,.. then nerfs struthis aswell,..

And thals while were at it

[steady pawn]

i can't speak for struth but thal deserves that speed

hatz does not

struth feels like it should've been a fast support dino but they made it a monster

[charred tapir]

it does both, it has support calls, lots of em lol

[steady pawn]

the ostrich doing too much tbh

[drifting pecan]

Hatz is an issue for specifically juvi to adolescent dinosaurs not paying attention and thats in a wide open area… thats the perfect scenario for a kill

[charred tapir]

(WHICH IS WHAT ITS BUILT FOR)

[steady pawn]

its an issue because its existence invalidates the roles of all the dinos who are sacrificing power for their speed while hatz gets to be faster and stronger and in the air all at the same time

it doesnt have to go through any of the obstacles a land dino has to in order to reach their prey

it scouts too much too fast for something that can land and end you

[drifting pecan]

It has to land for stam first

[charred tapir]

"no obsticals" runs into a log or rock, looses prey as its acceleration makes it impossible to catch now

[drifting pecan]

I don’t think invalidate is the proper word here

Struthi invalidates pachys

Nerf struthi?

[steady pawn]

im referring to how it flies over everything

[drifting pecan]

No,.. buff pachy

Its a flyer

U want for hatz so bad to be slow

[charred tapir]

it still cant even catch things with flight if they arent running in a straight line

[drifting pecan]

How much % are you thinking??

[steady pawn]

i want it to be slow in the air

[charred tapir]

but theres no point in nerfing the speed if any competent player can deal with a hatz in the air. its an unessesary nerf***

[steady pawn]

i dont have a specific % im mostly thinking to nerf how it dives to be similar to rhamphy if not worse

[drifting pecan]

A slow flying hat is still going to chase you because it can just,….you know,….still fly over things that you have to run around

A slow flying hat is still gonna be faster than any single land dinosaur running

And if you’re proposing that it’s slower than dinosaurs running on land, we have nothing more to discuss

Ill give u 10%

But that won’t make an impact or make you happy happy

[charred tapir]

if anything if im slying slower, im less likely to accidetally fly past you so i can tail ride you in the air at the perfect speed with flail lol. any slower than that and you've ruined the playable. hatz is fine where its at

[drifting pecan]

Honestly, yeah, I’td probably help the hats

[steady pawn]

hatz is definitely not fine where it's at

[drifting pecan]

I personally think hats is the most balanced it’s ever been

[steady pawn]

i think it should fly slower than it runs to promote being grounded for fights

[charred tapir]

you're right, it needs buffs!

[drifting pecan]

I was waiting for all these Nerf’s to actually play it,… so its not meta,..

[drifting pecan]

Please no,….

Thats horrible,.. (sorry)

if we get what you’re proposing then double its ground stamina,… and its hp/armour

[charred tapir]

the actual worst suggestion ive heard in a while, please reffer to what ive typed out here:

[steady pawn]

make it slower than the 2 slots at least? since again it flies over everything anyway

[drifting pecan]

Then you have a whole other can of worms to deal with

[charred tapir]

whats the point of flight at ALL if flying is slower than walking?

[steady pawn]

hatz isnt tailriding in the air if it cant fly faster than you lol

it can already glide along slowly if it wants to so its not like it cant so that now

it can avoid fights/get to higher places/go over obstacles

[drifting pecan]

What are you dying as to hatz if I may ask?

[charred tapir]

fr, hatz is the easiest thing to counter, even for juvies who arent dumb. i honest to God think this guys is just bad at the game

no offense

[steady pawn]

insulting me because i want a balance change is cringe lmao

that doesn't make me want to share my experiences either

[drifting pecan]

Hatz is very hard to deal with if u haven’t gotten killed by them a bunch

[steady pawn]

i have

[boreal lichen]

Why is grass washed out like this everywhere i go??

[steady pawn]

i know there are ways to deal with hatz but that doesn't suddenly mean its balanced

[charred tapir]

then use the tips we provided and be a better player. dont run in a straight line, run in zig zags and turn around sometimes if a hatz is chasing u in the air. its SO EASY im getting fustrated you arent grasping it

[steady pawn]

which it's definitely not

[drifting pecan]

Hatz is the most balanced its ever been,.. id argue its almost perfect

[steady pawn]

why arent you grasping that a powerhouse doesn't need to fly so fast? don't see why we suddenly need to be toxic over it all

[charred tapir]

almost (looks at clamp)

[charred tapir]

why arent u grasping that maybe its so fast but so bad at turning for a reason? its easy to counter, but good for travel

something so EASY to counter needs no nerf

[drifting pecan]

Hatz could use a hide like dasps,…. Either you can attack big dinosaurs or small ones.

But I personally wouldn’t like that

[charred tapir]

thats called crippling the playable

[steady pawn]

the travel part makes it too powerful because every time it loses its prey it gets off the ground to follow it and even if you escape it the hatz could get to the next area faster than you can

[drifting pecan]

Trees

[charred tapir]

the entire point of flight is travel guy. if you dont get that theres no point in debating anymore

[steady pawn]

i feel you also forget that i mentioned adding a buff to it to compensate for less flight would be good too

[drifting pecan]

One tree or one rock has made killing juvies almost impossible for me

[steady pawn]

ok then nerf its damage if you want it to travel so much

i don't see why it needs to have both amazing speed and damage on the same playable

[charred tapir]

i fail like 60% of my juvie hunts purely because of a rock in the way

[steady pawn]

it can already beat up most dinos and fly away from everything it cant handle which is insanely powerful in itself

[drifting pecan]

It’s only killing dinosaurs reliably that are smaller than it though

Which it SHOULD

[charred tapir]

it sound slike just saying flight in general is OP, should we chop off its wings? would that be better?

[drifting pecan]

If you wanna talk about something talk about how this new knockback tail has basically made hats OP against anything that got the knockback tail,… thats something that should be looked at

Not flight speed

[steady pawn]

at this point probably

[drifting pecan]

I’m willing to disseminate and give you 10% less flight speed that’s not gonna change anything that you’re complaining about though,…. And more than 10%, will literally kill any fun hatz has

[charred tapir]

like i said, you hate the playable. i know you're lying

[drifting pecan]

Have to remember this is a game. It has to be fun too

[charred tapir]

you aint beating the alligations lil bro

[steady pawn]

hatzes 'fun' is people wanting the speed of a 2 slot but not sacrificing any of the damage

[charred tapir]

you're prolly also the guy that says juvies should never be killed and if u kill a juvie ur bad at the game

[drifting pecan]

All right, I can’t talk anymore. I gotta get to work.

[steady pawn]

it sounds like people just want a broken dino with no drawbacks

[charred tapir]

the drawback is that youre fragile AF

[drifting pecan]

It has like like 5, drawbacks

[steady pawn]

not compared to the dinos it outcompetes

[steady pawn]

you keep making rude takes unrelated to the topic at hand lmao

[charred tapir]

yeah, a juvie shouldnt be easily taking down something 50 times its size, your point?

[steady pawn]

my point is game balance

that's been my point the entire time

[charred tapir]

i wanted to be nice but at this point youre doing a bad job at hiding u just hate the playable. just admit it. you even agreed when i jokingly said that if flight is so OP we should just chop off its wings.

[steady pawn]

for someone who appreciated a civil discussion you aren't very civil about it

hypocritical if anything

[steady pawn]

i wasnt being serious

i know hatz will always be a flyer but itd be so damn funny

[charred tapir]

i hate cetain playables too (eo is literally click to win gameplay), just say u hate the playable already, ill RESPECT it

[steady pawn]

saying that me wanting a flight speed nerf means i hate the playable is also very wrong

i dont HATE hatz though

the only part i hate is its current balance

to say i hate it in its entirety isnt quite true

[charred tapir]

what you want makes flight near worthless. theres no point in flight besides maybe getting over a tall obstacle when trotting is faster.

what you want ruins the entire point of a flier

[steady pawn]

i disagree, hatz would definitely still fly

[charred tapir]

to fly is to travel, what you want isnt very travel friendly

[simple geyser]

I feel like before asking for heavy nerfs, or nerfs at all, you should play that creature for at least a week on a vanilla deathmatch server to gain an understanding of its combat capabilities. Then you'd understand that it is far from overpowered.

[charred tapir]

its kinda underpowered even, but thats the TRADEOFF for flight, which is worth it imo. being fragile and having flight means you can get away from any fight you're not confident in

because as a fragile creature, theres gonna be alot of fights ur not gonna win, especially against more than one person

[bright tide]

what slimes suggesting is another way to balance out the creature, it doesnt mean that she hates it

it will take away the fun part of flying

but it can be balanced

[charred tapir]

flight is supposed to be fast, and literally everyone here disagrees with her, except you apparently

[bright tide]

i think hatz should keep at least most of its flight speed but get heavily increased takeoff time

so when it lands

its locked there

[steady pawn]

hatz accel is already garbage but that could help a little lol

[bright tide]

its pretty good with running start

[charred tapir]

hatz has the worst accel in the roster lol

[bright tide]

make it worse

[steady pawn]

yeah but having an unpopular take isnt grounds to insult me

[bright tide]

thats the price it pays for keeping its flight speed

[simple geyser]

It already takes about 3.4 seconds from a stand stil to be able to take off, assuming it is a sraight path with no obstacles or players in your way. And that is with running start.

[charred tapir]

the modded server i play on doubles the accel and flight stam, and the problems people fantasize about hatz dont even exist there, i still get my butt handed to me plenty of times.

[bright tide]

where did you get those numbers

[simple geyser]

Tested it myself.

[steady pawn]

i forgot to say i do play hatz and absolutely think it needs a rebalance regardless

it's fine if you don't agree but i promise that playing it for a week isnt gonna make me change my mind

[simple geyser]

As I was curious how much of an effect running start has, which is not very.

[bright tide]

theres no way its 3.4 if it was that i wouldve died 100 times already

its like 2 seconds i think

[charred tapir]

ok i didnt mean to insult you. just got alittle frustrated cause it seems you still werent getting it. i still stand by my points tho

[steady pawn]

i stand by mine too, i think it's fine that we have differing views

[bright tide]

even without peck barrage and stab hatz is pretty powerful

[steady pawn]

i wanna say that nerfing its takeoff speed doesnt change much besides delaying the inevitable

[bright tide]

it cant solo pycnos anymore

but it can kill stuff like metri

pretty easily

not to mention flail

[steady pawn]

flail is the new airpeck lmao

[bright tide]

the accel should be like 7 seconds imo

maybe even longer

[steady pawn]

i actually had a hatz cheese my meg group

[bright tide]

so if it lands and tries to take off while running

[split copper]

Luckily flail DEVOURS stamina

[bright tide]

it needs a lot of distance

[charred tapir]

well hatz def wins against meg, idk about in groups but hatz easily takes down meg. it has a bad time chasing it but still

[steady pawn]

thats true but one of the megs died because we literally couldnt hit the hatz

it wasnt a 'fight' because we had no way to fight

[bright tide]

hatz facetanks sarco with peck barrage i think

[steady pawn]

however it ran out of stam and that is the only reason it died

[bright tide]

it def beats meg

[steady pawn]

we were 5 megs and couldnt land a single hit til it couldnt fly anymore

[charred tapir]

not if sarco has charged bite, that dang near 1-taps it, prolly does even tbh

[steady pawn]

which is kinds cringe honestly

[bright tide]

just run or take off

[charred tapir]

just a hypothetical, if they were forced to facetank

[steady pawn]

im ngl i ld rather facetank wirh bite than charge

its quicker and the last time i tried charging a hatz it somehow jumped over my charge

i feel like sarc charge loses facetank but id have to test

bite yielded better results

[split copper]

I wish everyone would stop face tanking and then call the game unbalanced when they die

[bitter basin]

Thank you to the random hatz that came to help me when 2 kentros attacked me - metri

[steady pawn]

7s accel sucks if you get bodyblocked

sure it means hatz has to choose fights better but since it can fly its not like it faces any challenges til it wants to anyway

[charred tapir]

normally im against grouping, but kentros were grouping too? good job, that definitely made it a fair fight with 2v2 :)

[bright tide]

that makes it balanced

gotta pick your fights carefully

[simple geyser]

You know what does need a nerf? Fog.

Happens so frequently and for so long.

[charred tapir]

im personally against any nerfs for hatz. if you just constantly fight with it its flaws become much more apparent

[steady pawn]

i dont usually facetank but i swear hatz peck barrage facetanks sucho bite and that just doesnt sit right with me (i learned this the hard way)

[bright tide]

hatz is definitely unbalanced lol

peck barrage is insanely op

[bitter basin]

For sure. Reason im on permadeath is to have more balance fights and that people can’t switch dinos to counter you

[simple geyser]

On the permadeath server, due to the weird instant weather transitions, you can tell that sometimes fog will appear 10 seconds after it goes away.

[bright tide]

stab is really good against apex and subapex

the flying is extremely fast

you can revenge kill with ease

the health pool is way too good for what it does

[charred tapir]

if you can avoid getting hit since 2 or 3 bites from something like rex WILL kill hatz, gotta be good at dodging, and even slower accel would make that much more difficult than it already is

[bright tide]

well ofc rex kills hatz

what about pycno

[charred tapir]

me personally, after the pycno tlc theyve gotten a TAD bit easier to kill on hatz

[bright tide]

hatz is way too good for its size

it can kill 2 slots to some 4 slots

it covers way too much ground

most playables only kill its weight class

[charred tapir]

well its a glass cannon, ofc it can do that, also means THEY can kill it too

[bright tide]

you think a pycno can kill a hatz?

[steady pawn]

my biggest issue with hatz is 2 things

• its faster and more powerful than the lower slot dinos making their sacrifice in dmg for speed feel worthless

• they can scout and find prey way too fast for the power they have, and even if you escape them in 1 poi they can travel the minutes it took you to leave in mere seconds

accel does not truly fix either of these. maybe the 1st one a little

[bright tide]

theres no way

also even if hatz does get low it can take off and run

its way too good for its size

[steady pawn]

pycno can kill hatz but doesn't matter cuz hatz can fly away and definitely has a chance to kill it anyway

[bright tide]

well with your strat

most pycnos dont use your strat

pycno should be able to facetank hatz

[steady pawn]

i dont even use my strat anymore lol

[bright tide]

hatz should die in a facetank to most 3 slots

and all 4 slots

to be balanced for its size

[steady pawn]

i dont like being forced to run headslam just to maybe live against a giant bird

[boreal lichen]

Hatz is in very good spot right now.
That's all i am going to say about this matter. Also i dont think this conversation is going anywhere. If you want changes to hatz, make suggestions to devs.

[bright tide]

rn hatz kills all 3 slots with pb and some 4 slots

its definitely op

(pb = peck barrage)

[charred tapir]

it does?? minus pycno, pycno is just squishy af

[bright tide]

it kills metri

it kills sty

what else

it kills allo

[steady pawn]

it kills sty????

[bright tide]

peck barrage

[steady pawn]

christ

[split copper]

A lot of the 3 slots can HEAVILY punish peck barrage. It’s super easy to bait out and then they have a moment they can’t attack in between

[charred tapir]

does NOT kill sty i hate fighting sty on hatz. and metri is a healer, it basically has a whole other life. skill issue on the metri

sty hurts A LOT

[bright tide]

ok i havent tested against sty but it definitely kills allo

it kills dasp

[boreal lichen]

if anyone is stupid enough to face tank peck barrage ofc they will die.

[charred tapir]

it really doesnt but ok

[bright tide]

it shouldnt be able to do that in the first place

[charred tapir]

i dont even run peck barrage. idc if it gets nerfed cause its a bit op anyways

[steady pawn]

idk why hatz deserves such high pb power when it can already do so much

[split copper]

Hatz should not kill Allo or Dasp tbh. Like it doesn’t have the capability against an Allo or Dasp who know what they’re doing

[bright tide]

yeah

[charred tapir]

peck and stab is where its at bayybeeeee, and sometimes clamp instead of stab for baby hunting, but i ALWAYS have peck on me

[bright tide]

not like the other bites are bad

besides clamp

[steady pawn]

tbh hatz should fear for its life and fly away not sit there and facetank

[bright tide]

hatz should either chip stuff down

or tailride

[charred tapir]

for once i actually agree with you

[bright tide]

never facetank

[steady pawn]

clamp sucks its only good for babies and you can peck them to death anyway

[bright tide]

clamp is nice for carrying you around

[steady pawn]

even if they buffed i wont run unless grabbing allies

[charred tapir]

its fun! with clamp tho

[steady pawn]

true i just think itll be objectively worse no matter what

[boreal lichen]

The feeling when you are walking in fog and it goes away and you see you have bene walking behind a spino all this time.

[steady pawn]

LOL

honestly the worst part about this discussion is the channel it's in 😭

[charred tapir]

yeah.

[steady pawn]

i think im done yapping in this channel for that reason alone

[charred tapir]

got a bit heated we forgot what channel we're in

[steady pawn]

lmao

[charred tapir]

well, im done here, nice debate, sorry for getting a tad bit spicy earlier, and your hot take still stinks :D

[bright tide]

@steady pawn its your time to disappear

[steady pawn]

wowww ok

[charred tapir]

:)

i never accepted defeat

[steady pawn]

my hottest take is that hatz just isnt for this gamemode lol

[charred tapir]

....wait u mean just for perma?

[steady pawn]

ends too much too fast for permadeath to be balanced with it in here

yeah

[charred tapir]

i thought i meant the WHOLE game, like it should be nerfed 😭

[bright tide]

only apex permadeath when

[bright tide]

it needs to be nerfed in the whole game

[charred tapir]

nah

[steady pawn]

i meant in general but if nothing else removing it from perma would be great rn

[bright tide]

yuh huh

hatz facetanking stuff with pb is not okay

considering its speed

[charred tapir]

im playing it rn in perma, doing child control lol

[boreal lichen]

hmm i dunno it is good way to keep people from JUST growing very easy.

[charred tapir]

i just killed an adol dasp like 10 mins ago lol

[steady pawn]

dying as a small guy sucks but in perma hatz flies places so fast that even with 1 hatz on tbe map you have to worry about it even when you spawn on the opposite side of the map

pretty hellish imo

[steady pawn]

yeah unless youre the hatz itself which worries about NOTHING

[charred tapir]

thing is i had no idea the dasp was next to me until i turned around and saw it collecting the bones i needed (the sound sucks) my point is its ez to hide from me lol

im having way more fun with hatz in perma rather than officials because there isnt a giant megapack stoping me from what i love doing, obliteration the juvenile population

[steady pawn]

for hatz it sucks that it can be everywhere and wreck people then worry about nothing in the gamemode where you lose the most

and speedruns growrh because of loc quests

[charred tapir]

...i didnt even think about that, this whole time i grew the regular way 😭 i was growing it during our debate lol

[boreal lichen]

Dunno. Have never played one on officials. The ones that came at me on PD have died or fled or did not even try.

The one i fought as bby gave up.

It could have ended badly for me tho. I was very low.

[steady pawn]

i could care less about literally any other dino eating juvies cuz at least when i die to a deinon it wont get anywhere near my new respawn point if i make it to the other side of the map

hatz doesnt care. it's way too efficient at finding people by flying

which is part of why i want the flight speed nerf but not the discussion i want to have again lol

[charred tapir]

...do you think i instantly know where u respawn when i kill u on hatz? i cant see people across the map lol

[steady pawn]

no but it's still possible which is the concerning part

[boreal wolf]

Duck and Stego mixpack in GP killing players for no reason.

[steady pawn]

theres a good chance that same hatz will find me again quickly if its only goal is to find and eat every juvie it sees

[charred tapir]

i rarely run into people i kill on hatz. was that entire argument we had over something thats a rare possibility?

[boreal lichen]

Last time i checked there is no rules against just killing people on sight.

[steady pawn]

no it's just a general thing

theres a LOT of issues i have with hatz's balance

[boreal wolf]

Can you read? or do you pretend to be dumb?

[charred tapir]

plus, if you go back to where u got killed, its not a suprise if they're still there and u get killed again, just throwing that out there

[steady pawn]

i dont usually do that as a fresh juvie lol

where i go doesnt matter cuz the hatz will get there faster if it wants to

[charred tapir]

not if it doesnt know where ur at, which also helps by the fact its super easy to hide from them

[boreal lichen]

That's pretty uncalled for.

They can group up to kill players, not saying it is nice to do that but there is no rule against that either.

[charred tapir]

idk about yall, but if i think i can kill them, IM GONNA KILL THEM, juvie or adult

though i mainly only do that when hungry

[steady pawn]

i just kill whatever whenever just because

[boreal lichen]

I always do that when i am just hungry. not blaming people for killing without being hungry tho

[steady pawn]

tho usually on officials the solo modes are a bit different

[bronze shell]

I prefer adults for the trophies :3. But im different when im hungry xD

[charred tapir]

if im hungry, i dont discriminate the age of the victim

[bronze shell]

But juvy dont giv meat tho so adolescent and up

[steady pawn]

juvie gives a little meat

[charred tapir]

if i dont seee any critters around, i dont care lol

[steady pawn]

just rip it off the body

[bronze shell]

Its like less than a critter lol even a rex which is weird

Best adol meat is eo meat :3

[steady pawn]

still better than nothing

i prefer to kill anything that moves just because i can but sometimes i dont feel like killing so idk

[boreal lichen]

Yeah i only kill Juvi rexes really but anything other only if they adol and up if i am hungry.

[boreal wolf]

You are aware we are in a "Solo" server, by being in this channel. Yeah? - So when I refer to plural or mixpacking on Solo server, people doing something that's unethical on a solo server. Your stance is: But it's official. That is changing the subject, much like I did in my response to you. - Because you either pretend to ignore the fact of the server, or you undermine my initial message by legitimising such behavior in general. So that leads to me response to you, which is no more uncalled for than yours. - I responded to you in kind. As you are in favor of mixpacking and discord groups killing players in Solo servers. - That could have been my response as well, but I assume you are not in favor, because I think more of you than that.

[charred tapir]

yeah honestly i think that was a bad change, sometimes u get bad luck with critter spawns and smetimes the only other thing in the area IS that juvie. just because its worth less food now doesnt mean im not gonna eat it. if anything it means i eat MORE juvies now. the change has the opposite intended effect

[steady pawn]

on perma death i saw a metri and didn't eat it cuz i forgot i was gonna starve 😭

fortunately i didnt starve because a kind meg put me out of my misery <3

[bronze shell]

Add eo and struthi to the mix xD and maybe anki they r all annoying ))))

[charred tapir]

if juvies gave more food, im less likely to kill more of them if there are more in the area. kill 1, get my fill, and be gone

[bronze shell]

The only bb that r safe r my own kind i hate cannibalism xD

[charred tapir]

a baby stego thats bigger than me entire torso shouldnt be giving less food than a critter

[charred tapir]

i do too, unfortunately, my fellow hatz dont think the same way 😂 im often chased down by hatz

oh wait i read that wrong

[bronze shell]

Meg and hatz they r so cannibalistic tbh and sarcos tooo

[charred tapir]

yeah bb hatz r chill with me, unless im ACTIVELY DYING from starvation

[bronze shell]

Emergency food u mean

[charred tapir]

and if they're grouped with me, ill just accept death, im only eating the bb hatz if i dont know them

[bronze shell]

Ofc group is a serious thing for me and crouching if i crouched and u turn out to be an axx i still wont touch ya xD but i dont trust other ppl friendly crouches tho

[charred tapir]

a while ago i was playing pycno and i ran into 2 little bb pycnos. i was super hungry but i let them chill. i named one steak and the other ribs and they had no idea i named them that till i ended up inviting them to VC hours later

they were my emergency food lol

[bronze shell]

Hahaha xD

[charred tapir]

they thought it was hilarious that i named them that when i revealed it to them, one of them apparently KNEW i was hungry and wanted to leave me while the other trusted me, so they stuck with me anyways. when i told them what i named them one of them was like "I KNEW IT"

[boreal lichen]

Just because i was making a unpleasant statement about these solo servers, does not mean i like mix packing and discord groups any more than you. In fact i do only play solo, even on community servers i rarely group up. I have more success playing alone than i group.

Matt has said himself this solo mode is NOT to make people think they cannot group. It is to make it harder. People who wanna group up will always find a way to group up. It is naive to go in and think everyone will just not carebear or mix diet or mixpack just to kill people.

People will be happier if they go into this game mode prepared to see people group up rather than think it is not possible it will happen.

I just do not like people calling out where others are playing and doing things as a whole. This makes it no different from those "discord groups".

Sorry for wall of text. Please continue.

[stuck tree]

The fact this needs to be said over snd over is exhausting someone pin matt saying this so we can point to that at least

Like it's incorrect to say people can't group or aren't meant to group in solo mode. Solo mode is FOCUSED on a MORE solo experience, not to make grouping up impossible. Cause that in itself is impossible.

And that's been stated before many times by Matt. You can't stop free will, this is to provide friction against people gathering huge clan groups

[simple geyser]

I am happy with there being significantly less groups and those groups not having a nameplate/health bar to show each others' locations.

[boreal lichen]

THIS

[charred tapir]

while i agree, grouping in the solo servers kinda defeats the whole point of the solo server. if grouping makes u so happy why cant people just go play on the officials 😭

[simple geyser]

Also real funny when someone in the group dies mysteriously and silently, like a horror movie.

[stuck tree]

Probably cause small groups get ganked by huge clans so people just wanting to play with their buddies want a safe haven too

[charred tapir]

its even in the name "SOLO" testing servers

[stuck tree]

If you're playing in a duo you're gonna get just as screwed as a solo on officisl

Solo mode is not geared exclusively to just making you solo it's supposed to be MORE solo friendly by providing some deterrent for huge groups to give smaller groups and solos a breather

[charred tapir]

people joinging the *SOLO test servers to deliberately group up withh other people are justs intentionally tryna make it less fun for solo players

[stuck tree]

Also because it's a catchier name

[boreal lichen]

because they find it fun to torment people who only strictly like solo.

Or they find someone who is nice at them by random chance and this person tries to be kind to them by sticking with them and protecting them if they are attacked.

the reasons really are many.

I believe most of grouping in this mode happens organically just by strangers meeting up and wanting to not die.

[stuck tree]

This

[charred tapir]

kinda hard when u cant even talk to them

[stuck tree]

You can't stop someone from seeing another allo and buddying up cause they don't wanna be cannibals or just don't mind the company

[boreal lichen]

I have found it very fun to try expressing myself with emotes

Especially with alberta who has many emotes. I think more playeples need more emotes lol

[stuck tree]

People will group up cause humans are social and emoting through emotes and friendly gestures happens

[charred tapir]

i dont mind being friendly, ill even throw a 2 call your way to show it, but DONT follow me im on the server to be alone, if you're trying to group with me my kindness will quickly turn to hostility

[simple geyser]

I prefer to express myself with: the look

As to not make a noise and reveal my location.

[stuck tree]

I like to nod up real quick

"Hey"

[boreal lichen]

Lol yeah i have sent some bbies running by headbutting them if they stay too close too long

[charred tapir]

alot nicer than what i do (i just eat them)

[boreal lichen]

Ah sadly alberta is not omnivore. I wonder how diabolical it would be to run around with meat in my mouth all the time.

[charred tapir]

lol, well killing them is close enough lol

[stuck tree]

And that's fair if you wanna be alone. That's perfectly valid but as I said imagine wanting to play with a buddy, official is hostile to anyone not in a huge group too so a duo or trio is just as boned ad a solo in there

Makes sense they'd wanna play together on a server where huge groups can't happen as often

[boreal lichen]

hehhhe. I am soft at times.

[stuck tree]

Same

[charred tapir]

this is another reason why i like hatz, if people are grouping up and trying to kill me i can screw right off into the air

[stuck tree]

I'm very soft, if i see a baby I'll let em hang around and help em grow unless I need food

Mostly cause like, ik the struggle of trying to grow and those moments I meet nice players is really cool

So i wanna pay it forward

[boreal lichen]

yeah i'm not that soft.
I might not outright kill all bbies i see but i wont help them either.

[charred tapir]

"i suffered so ill help them not suffer" vs the chad "I SUFFERED AND IM GONNA MAKE THEM SUFFER TOO RAAHHHH"

[stuck tree]

Usually the help i give is being a body guard and showing them to quest items, rarely I'll group with em

Very rarely

I prefer to help then dip if I want

"Then she was gone just like that."

[boreal lichen]

XD

I was going to play more but i think i will just take photos of people i saw today.

Replay tool is such a blessing and a curse XD

THERE WAS REX BBY NEXT TO ME AND I DID NOT SEE THEM.

I will get them next time. Good bby tho for staying hidden.

[stuck tree]

I love seeing how much was around me in replay but it also makes me mad when it's something I should have heard

The sound bubble needs to go

[split copper]

That’s exactly what I like to do lol I show up and hang out for a moment. Maybe help them find some quest stuff or nearby food location and then I run off to keep exploring. I’m pretty sure a decent amount of people here have run into me whether they were aware of it or not lol

[boreal lichen]

They stalk in berrybushes now o.o

[floral kraken]

grouping doesnt make these people happy its griefing

its why they are playing the game

[charred tapir]

yeah i figured. also hi matt :D

[stuck tree]

Matt pls pin the stuff you said about this mode not being about stopping groups entirely

So many people seem to think that's the goal

It's so tiring saying then same thing over and over

[split copper]

Face your fears

[charred tapir]

clamp, splat

[split copper]

How I honestly thought I’d meet my end lmao ended up killing him though 🙂

[charred tapir]

oh sick! guessing bro didnt have clamp on lol, GJ! :D

[split copper]

Pecking Barrage and Stab. I really wasn’t expecting to log in to that lol

[split copper]

Rare moment when clamp would have come in clutch lmao. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I think it should be in its own slot to be used whenever

[simple geyser]

Agreed.

[charred tapir]

i FIRMLY believe this as well. same for sarco. since it isnt, people rarely use them and when they see the THE perfect opportunity for it, they dont have it. which is a little rare to come by. also the hatz in the video super goofy. stab AND barrage? gotta replace one of those with a peck at least, good job taking him down lol

[simple geyser]

I'd also like clamp to be usable in the air again. Was fun doing driveby kidnappings.

[charred tapir]

same, idk why it was even removed cause it was VERY hard to pull off anyways, out of the entire time it was possible i think i only managed to do it once

[split copper]

Thank you 🙂 and yea I definitely agree with that. And if you are running clamp, you are wildly outcompeted by any Hatz or Sarco that isn’t using it. Also, I agree with your second point too lol whenever I run Hatz I use Stab and Peck

I’m not a huge fan of barrage abilities

[charred tapir]

maybe someday when hatz and sarco get a tlc, we can see clamp in a passive slot 😔

for me its peck and stab OR clamp

but i ALWAYS have peck

[split copper]

Peck is definitely a must for me as well. Super helpful for chasing things down and not instantly running out of stamina

[charred tapir]

same reasoning here, hatz sorta kinda has asthma on the ground when running lol

[bronze shell]

XD just saw a cera shove a dasp from a cliff and slip and fell with the dasp both died xD

[deep drum]

Hi, just question if I’m the only person struggling to find other players because literally it’s almost every POI on my rec last night on a 80 population server and seen a hatz. (I was on Rex)

[charred tapir]

i saw a rex on my hatz not long ago, was that in BF?

[random stump]

A large chunk of the server might be babies trying to grow, so it may seem like there aren't many people around. Also, they'll likely be playing more carefully than normal, trying to avoid detection.

[charred tapir]

ive also killed like several babies since ive been on, literally 5 mins ago i yoinked a bb alberta flew up, used wing beat and sent it flying like a baseball in a baseball game 😂

also like a minute ago i did this:

I am the JUVENILE FILTER. i filter out the weak, only those who actually go undetected by me shall access adulthood 😎

in other words, i hand out Darwin awards

[split copper]

I was gunna say, that’s really on the Thal for not diving into the water or a small crevice as soon as it hears a Hatz wing flap. Really is a natural selection moment

[charred tapir]

shoulda named my hatz natural selection cause thats basically what it is, but in the flesh

[split copper]

Ngl, I’m really tempted to make a Hatz as a secondary, but I don’t think it would be fair to all the juvies and small creatures 😅 I have one on normal officials and I’m a menace enough on there lmao

I’ve just been playing as a hyper friendly Pachy lol

[charred tapir]

but here u can do it and not have a whiny complainer in global calling u bad cuz "ur afraid to fight adults instead"

[split copper]

Now I’m really considering it lol

[tulip vale]

uhm i think the death thingys are broken?

it shows that i got killed by a stego but i got killed by a hatz

[charred tapir]

....what color hatz?

[tulip vale]

it was a brownish default skinnish at dried lake

[charred tapir]

oh nvm alr lol

ive been on a murder spree with mine lol

[tulip vale]

more like i jumped off the cliff so he wouldnt get the kill lol

[charred tapir]

in permadeath? thats very brave lol

[tulip vale]

haha well i was gonna die to the hatz anyways so i was like SIKE u aint gonna get my death

[split copper]

Maybe you fell onto a Stegos plates or thagomizer lol

[tulip vale]

no lmao it was the death from yesterday

[charred tapir]

based

[tulip vale]

btw im on my new bby rex pls dont kill me if u see me XD

just trying to grow QwQ

[charred tapir]

how hungry i am will determine that :)

[tulip vale]

oh cmon babys dont give food at all XD yk they despawn instantly XD

[charred tapir]

means i can eat more babies! >:D

[tulip vale]

oh cmon let the babys alone XD

if u want more food go get the hatz in Dried lake lol

[charred tapir]

no lol

i am become death, destroyer of children

[tulip vale]

well ill be the protector once i get my rex to adult XD

[charred tapir]

assuming u dont find ur way into my gullet as a child >:}

[tulip vale]

i mean i escaped an allo once XD

[charred tapir]

oh sick, did he just loose u or somethin?

[tulip vale]

yeah he lost me XD i was pretty seeable tbf XD

i was hiding at the edge of the bridge from mainland to the island in bql XD

and if hed found me id just jump into the water XD

[charred tapir]

i JUST now killed a baby rex, hope that wasent u lol

[tulip vale]

nah lol

im gone from gv and dried lake lol

[split copper]

Imagine killing him while he was typing about how he escaped something lmao 😂 that would be so sad

[charred tapir]

little dude was collecting lakeweed and i appear from behind a boulder immediately with clamp ready lmao

flew up with him, used wingbeat, and it sent him flying forward 😂

[tulip vale]

man yall r monsters XD

[charred tapir]

if you didnt know u can "throw" people like that, just clamp them, look straight down, use wingbeat, and it "throws" them!

[tulip vale]

GOD DANG IT

[charred tapir]

so they get alittle more fall time for a tiny bit more extra damage....but it was a baby REX, so i didnt even need to go that high to begin with, i just wanted to style on em

uh oh, what happened?

[tulip vale]

ALMOST DIED TO THE STOOPID TRIKE CRITTER

[charred tapir]

that thing is a menace to babies, almost on par with me mmmm yes

[tulip vale]

lol

btw are trophys good here?

[empty mural]

9 hours reached alive on conca. Hatz picked me up and dropped me and took no fall damage. Life is good. Life is great.

[charred tapir]

wasent me, but dang i love when that glitch happens to me

[tulip vale]

?

[empty mural]

I was about to be so sad, I was like goodbye cruel world then I survived. I booked it to the closest river and waited till he flew away.

[stuck tree]

Trike thing? There a new ai?

[charred tapir]

bagaceratops, yeah its new critter, came out a little bit ago

[stuck tree]

OH THAT

I got confused and thought they added a new one. Since that one doesn't have any horns

[tulip vale]

if anyone wants to, theres a adolescent sucho at darkwoods/whistling columns that u guys can fricking kill

[charred tapir]

dont be location droppin bro :/ defeats the spirit of solo permadeath

[tulip vale]

well doesnt matter if i loc drop cuz its gone by now prolly

[stuck tree]

🤨

[vapid tiger]

found ya 😛

[charred tapir]

...were u that other hatz?

[vapid tiger]

ye

[charred tapir]

ah, yeah i noped on outta there cause i dont have a barrel roll on and i have clamp on instead of another attack, not a good set for fighting other hatz 😂

[vapid tiger]

u escaped quickly

[charred tapir]

plus i was low on stam after brutalizing that bb conc u prolly saw

[vapid tiger]

yes i saw that

[charred tapir]

yeah playing hatz for so long will teach u how to fly as fast as humanly possible to escape cannibals

i got diving and pulling up for speed down to a science

[vapid tiger]

i tried not flying too low close to water

knockback into water would be death for me too xD

[charred tapir]

im just risky like that, if it means i escape with my life then ima do it lol

[vapid tiger]

well, i tried to get ya, but hatz is not my favorite 😄

[charred tapir]

GGs but i was not ready to die, i JUST bought that skin i grinded for 😂

[opaque pecan]

@manoba

[drifting pecan]

Do you look straight upwards into the sky after you descend and you’re pulling up?

[charred tapir]

yeah

[drifting pecan]

it feels like it gives better Ascension, what do u think?

[charred tapir]

ye i do

[split copper]

I love Facebook

People on there are constantly staying stuff like “I died as a juvie on the perma-death server. It’s stupid and I hope they don’t add it”. 😂😂😂

Like how can you be mad that you’re not good at.. living..

[drifting pecan]

TrueeeeeEww

[gentle berry]

Achillo pin down would make them fear anything moving as i preach it

[split copper]

Achillo pin down ability would be very cool

[pallid forge]

Hunting and annoying Hatz in GP + SG as a Laten is now my favorite activity in permadeath. Someone has to cull the Hatz population.

[gentle berry]

As you should then spread the Gospel of the achillo pin down so it can manifest into beta my future raptor friend

[empty mural]

Wait is a achillo pin ability planned? I know allo is supposedly suppose to be getting a grapple but I had not heard about achillo’s

[empty mural]

Thank you for your service.

[pallid forge]

I shouldn't have messed with 2 Struthis

[dark fox]

I can't tell if the location is a bug or if it's just referring to the Gondwa map as a whole as "island." I'm clearly on WP and not on any sort of island

Either way I hope something like this is added to officials. Would be nice to see what area your dino is in and how many marks they have before actually logging in to save time. Lost count of logging into a dino thinking they were somewhere specific, only to find they're on the other end of the map

[oak cloak]

The Gondwa map is known internally as "Island"

But having it say the POI, or the closest POI when you're in the middle of nowhere would be really cool

[oak cloak]

You got killed by @fair hill , the little scamp

I avoid other 1 slots like the plague, they are, no joke, Laten's biggest threats. I immediately friendly call other raptors and leave if a Struthi/ Campto is running around

RIP Ironback

[thin roost]

Fighting struthi and campto as a laten is the fastest way to return to the character select screen

They're faster stronger and have more stamina in the day

[oak cloak]

Campto has the same amount of stam as Laten, both are 250 seconds

[velvet scroll]

R.I.P to the friendly sarco at Green Valley that was killed by another sarc.
-Spoon with the king of Egypt skin

[oak cloak]

Campto I'm less worried about, but it'll get an ability TLC eventually and they will likely be a bully

[bronze shell]

Yeah i think campto vs laten is 50/50 for now
If u ran barrage as struthi fighting a laten is also 50/50 if laten is good and doesnt pounce xD

A dein can pounce a struthi without being worried that it will barage it too death? I got pounced by one used barage 3 times it didnt die hmmm

But i rather not fight smthing faster or can double jump xD as solo raptor only if some kind of cliff is near or cave

[thin roost]

Also side note How is campto the 1 slot when irl it was bigger than pachy by a significant margin?

[thorn forge]

Heh, like Ark

[oak cloak]

They opted for it to be 1-slot tier by using smaller individuals as a baseline instead of its maximum estimates. They also gave it a very weak bite and Alio-level speed with Struthi stamina, though Campto is nearly as bulky as Pachy is in terms of effective HP, so for a 1-slot it's a little tank

It's also had its combat weight buffed from 1200 to 1600 when it got its model TLC, making it 80% the weight of Pachy

[storm smelt]

Pissed off a group in gully, they looking for me. 😂

[oak cloak]

Though combat weight shouldn't be taken to be exactly like actual weight differences, even on a logistic scale

[storm smelt]

Watch out if you’re in the area

Group of five

[drifting pecan]

Omw to eat them ALLLL

[pallid forge]

There are now 2 of those murder tank tortoise around the lake in Wilderness Peak. Pure horror for every slower dino

[oak cloak]

They jump scared me earlier, they are so fast

[pallid forge]

Yeah saw them killing a baby potato. Little one hunkered down and fought bravley but got slaugthered in the end.

[warped jetty]

I'm actually getting good fights on kai rn

it always ends in a draw but at least its some action

sad its just spino and duck though

a sarco I'd be able to kill faster

ouch

looks like a eurhino died to a rex

[steady pawn]

i never even encountered a thal but game says one killed me

but no i just yeeted myself off a cliff

[split copper]

It seems like if you die to fall damage it just makes something up for your killer lol

[steady pawn]

rip

[steep saddle]

so albertas just moo

[oak cloak]

Maybe it's whatever is closest?

[steep saddle]

no thal has a secret second attack: gravity

[oak cloak]

Killed by a gravity attack, this is getting ridiculous

[tribal ridge]

So why isn’t panjura in solo then 😡

[oak cloak]

RIP Panjura, honestly

[wispy thunder]

loading into permadeath like

[oak cloak]

Permadeath Panjura could be great though

[steep saddle]

bc gondwa is the better designed map

[tribal ridge]

You Gondwa players will never be us

[steep saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-booing-me-im-right-gif-10368876

panjura's a better realism experience but gondwa's more game-y is what im saying

[wispy thunder]

the only advantage gondwa "the nightmare blunt rotation fortnite map" has over PEAKjura is the fact that it has no questless POIs

[steep saddle]

i can go from one corner of the map to the other and the biome looks almost exactly the same in panjura

[hybrid stratus]

Where are the most people on permadeath

[steep saddle]

can hatz pick up a full grown cera?

[hybrid stratus]

No

[steep saddle]

gp as far as i can tell

gg sucho rainbow hills!

[hybrid stratus]

That looks painful to grow

Why does thal have such bad stamina

And take so much collision damage

Actully unplayable i stg

[steep saddle]

its like impossible to catch fish on thal but right off the bat its really good at flying

[hybrid stratus]

Yep gp is still hotspot

Theres a few reasons why thals just bad tho

[steep saddle]

one attack

[deep scroll]

Perma death nesting idea:

So currently on perma death, if you die, you lose your marks. Bummer right?

Well what if you can build a nest like normal, and each egg slot allows you to start over with that same species of dino, and you get to keep your marks. Basically one nest lets you start over and keep your marks a limited number of times based on the number of egg slots. So you get (I forgot how many slots a nest has) 4-5 chances to start over on that species and keep your marks. After that, that "family" is dead and you have to start over and have no marks.

[hybrid stratus]

Bad hp regen one attack bad stamina bad stamina regen and is slow asf on land

[deep scroll]

This would also mean if someone finds your nest and mercs it, and you die, you lose the marks

[steep saddle]

i like the idea but idk how well it would go

[hybrid stratus]

Thal just CANNOT catch things lmao

I got a meg and achillo 1 shot and could NOTZ HIT THEM

[steep saddle]

look on the bright side! you can be incredibly annoying on thal

just scream

[hybrid stratus]

Im going to starve

[wispy thunder]

Btw I deleted my eo but i have an alb now

[hybrid stratus]

Ginally found 3 tiny fish

What should i grow

Ive grown a pachy that was killed by mixpacking cera and thal

And a thal

[neon pollen]

dynamos gonna munch you big time

[tribal ridge]

😡

[wispy thunder]

Too slow

But i can be your minime if we run into each other 😃

[pallid forge]

I have today meet so many, suposetly, new players that sent you group invitations as babies....

I would understand same species at least but come on... You're asking for this

[candid flint]

So can you nest?

[steep saddle]

no

[candid flint]

Oh alright

[steep saddle]

i keep thinking the silesaurus are actual dinos and not. you know. critters.

[candid flint]

Silos should have been playables

[stuck tree]

Yeah agreed

[elder sand]

Having a lot of fun ambushing on Meg

[split copper]

I will never stop being an advocate of this

[candid flint]

Such a missed opportunity

[split copper]

Make it like the herbivore version of Deinonychus, but like 650 combat weight and just super speedy and hoppy

[steep saddle]

or herb version of micro

[candid flint]

Are all future dinos already planned?

[elder sand]

Yeah

All we have left are tylo leeds micro and mystery Dino

[candid flint]

Ah that kinda suchs

I hope mystery dino is an ankylosaur

[steep saddle]

we dont need another one??????

[candid flint]

I'd like to see more

[elder sand]

Imo it’s a gigantoraptor or maybe a carchara

[candid flint]

Other and ano

[steep saddle]

personally id want it to be a parasaurolophus

i just like him

[cursive lion]

The parasaur mod was really well done. The calls are great

[split copper]

There’s a possibility they could continue to add more Dino’s after the future full release of the game, but the planned playables are the list of Dino’s they plan to have in the game for sure because they were funded by donators

[candid flint]

We just already have more than one hadrosaur and trikes and stuff but only one anky

[stuck tree]

I want a vanilla nodosaur

They never get attention it's always some species of ankylosaur

Anky, ano, sai

[candid flint]

Their my favorites too

[deep scroll]

It'll be therizino

I bet

[kindred mortar]

!dino-list

[harsh sail]

https://alderon.games/help-dinolist

[stuck tree]

I hope for a vanilla theri but don't make it a feather duster

[candid flint]

I kinda like feather duster theri

[stuck tree]

I find non floofy theri underrated

They either make them overly fluffy or bald

Gimme this

[candid flint]

Claws need to be much longer though

[stuck tree]

Still feathery but also not super fluff

[candid flint]

But yeah that would be nice

[steep saddle]

ough yes i love him

[stuck tree]

That's about the length I typically see the claws at tbh

[deep scroll]

And let theri pick it's nose as an idle animation

[candid flint]

Maybe I'm thinking of a different theri

I'd like a less popular theriziniosaur

Give them some love

[stuck tree]

Very valid

I wouldn't mind theri but it would probably be a lesser known cousin since pot tends to do that

[steep saddle]

what about. sacabambaspis,

[candid flint]

YES PLEASE

[stuck tree]

(But they'll probably scale it up to theri size anyway)

God I hate that fish

[candid flint]

We need cambrian mods

Oh

[stuck tree]

Freaky ahh fish

[steep saddle]

why would you hate this loveable face

[candid flint]

Cambrian mods would make the water so much more popukated

[stuck tree]

That one is just silly idm that restoration

It's every other one I see

They make em so creepy

[steep saddle]

i think dunkleosteus would be fun but it looks cooler with the skull helmet even if thats innaccurate

[candid flint]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was terrifying

[steep saddle]

oh so this one

[candid flint]

This is what sacabambaspis evolved into

[split copper]

I want a whole pack of Permian mods 😍😍

Best time period next to the Triassic

[steep saddle]

god yeah, forget evolution, return to crab

[stuck tree]

ITS ON SIGHT BRO DO NOT ADD THIS I WILL KOS IT

(yes that one)

[candid flint]

That's so sad

[steep saddle]

sacabambaspis jumpscare

[candid flint]

I'd main it

[steep saddle]

i just imagine it sits there like a mola mola and just lets the current take it, it has no form of forward movement it just sits there and eats jellyfish

[candid flint]

This server is terrifying

[steep saddle]

you get used to it

[candid flint]

Definitely feels more like a horror game

[steep saddle]

if you havent already i'd recommend turning the music off

[candid flint]

Dinosaur horror survival is amazing

Ty for that

[steep saddle]

i havent touched officials since permadeath came out, and once my cera dies ill probably switch to the regular solo to get better at 1v1 combat but this is a lot of fun once you get over the 5 stages of grief for your initial dinos lmao

[candid flint]

I've given up on sarco, I'm going cera too

[steep saddle]

god the baby spoon i just saw in rockfall should know how lucky it is that its not a duck

wouldve been On Sight

[buoyant cloak]

oh i on sight both

[steep saddle]

spinos are easy for me to outrun and they can't one tap me so theyre. fine. I guess.

hopefully they thin out the sarco population i dont wanna get drowned again

[neon pollen]

id love to see where what the player spread is now with ic gone

[candid flint]

I haven't seen ic

[neon pollen]

top side always feels dead

[candid flint]

It's so hard to get to the top or bottom

[steep saddle]

i think its still anchored around gp for the most part, but definitely more dispersed

i usually see people at sf

[split copper]

Giving them a taste of their own medicine lol

(I missed btw. Landed right behind it and it looked at me and flew away like nothing)

[steep saddle]

also i have. no clue if cera matches up to berta at all so i just avoided fighting one

dude that is a rennaissance painting

[candid flint]

Berta would win I'm sure

[elder sand]

Berta would stomp a cera

Just took out a sub sarc on Meg !

Fat dinner for my Meg

[steep saddle]

good thing i didnt fight it

literally never see berta so i had no clue

[elder sand]

Berta beats pycno and dasp I’d say

[steep saddle]

might need to try out berta then

close to 11 hours on cera tho which im happy abt

[elder sand]

I love berta

Meg is so perfect for perma

There’s actually people in every biome it’s crazy

[candid flint]

Yeah I've seen a nice veriety

[steep saddle]

it's so refreshing

[split copper]

Bruh this Kentro duo are funny 😂 one of them hit me so we got in a back and forth fight for a little while until it runs off. Then his buddy walks up and stares at me for like 10 seconds and then spits in my face and walks away 😂😂 that was entertaining lmao

[stuck tree]

LOL

[verbal jetty]

so what areas are most populated now

tempted to delete my spino and make an allo

[elder sand]

Savanna was fairly poppin in my last server

[lyric flare]

Hunters Thicket, Savanna Grassland, and Green Valley/Big Quill I’ve noticed are consistently populated

[hasty willow]

Is Amarg better with Armor or Knockback Subspecies?

Or attack?

[pallid forge]

Babies in GP are way to reckless. Hunted a Magalina baby and a Deinon carebear tried to protect it. After the Deinon died the baby seriously came back and begged for the trophy.... Gave it a couple of bites to scare it.

[candid flint]

Giving them survival instincts

[pallid forge]

Yup, can be glad that the Deinon already filled me otherwise the baby would have become the next snack.

[neon pollen]

i wouldnt touch armor. you can go attack or kb. KB is generally better but attack amarg isnt obese like the other two

[hasty willow]

Honestly, I was just wondering how effective knockback still is when a lot of things now have increased Knockback resistance. Do you think the increased attack would be better over more knockback?

[neon pollen]

yeah thats why im somewhat suggesting attack now. alot more people will be using knockback resistance now, so trying to outdamage could be the better outcome

[verbal jetty]

savanna sounds like a bad idea with all these hatz flying around

[steep saddle]

just be a dinosaur where hatz isn't a problem

[neon pollen]

hide in da bushes

[steep saddle]

camouflage

[elder sand]

My Meg alternates Savanna and burned forest

[cursive lion]

Think i might have saw you a while ago in savanna before the server shutdown

[elder sand]

Komodo Meg

?

[quartz kestrel]

Just played peekaboo wit a rex lol

[cursive lion]

Not sure. You were a little far away. I was on a stego

[elder sand]

By the big pond?

[cursive lion]

If it was you lol

I walked from savanna to HTs big pond by savanna

[elder sand]

Ya that was me !

[cursive lion]

Haha nice

[high hawk]

What exactly happens in permadeath if you die? Is the character and all skins/abilities deleted or is growth just reset?

[cursive lion]

The character is dead on homescreen and will need to be deleted

[high hawk]

You can’t revive it at all?

[cursive lion]

No. You completely lose your progress with the dead dino

[high hawk]

Aight ty

[cursive lion]

No prob!

[ripe gull]

OH GOD did they re-add the collect sound effect from 2020??

Haven't heard that sound effect in years it genuinely jumpscared me

[quartz kestrel]

Pretty incredible watching 2 rexes turn into 2 hatz. How sad do you have to be to buy the game multiple times just to meta monkey your way into an unhealthily obsessed over W lmao

[hybrid stratus]

I might grow a iggy or lambeo which one?

[quartz kestrel]

Both are really good rn but iggy is a personal favorite of mine

[hybrid stratus]

Bro yknow whats dumb tho

Pachys kick does more knockback than its charge and iggys tail attack can send a spino flying

Also i learned that lambeo can outswim every semi

[quartz kestrel]

Pachy Charge falls victim to the recent charge nerfs. You meed to hit them with a charged up long distance charge to get a good knock back where as the kick is just a shotgun blast of knock back

[buoyant cloak]

no lmao

[hybrid stratus]

Yep lol

Full aquatic build lambeo

Outswims sarcos spinos and suchos

[fiery seal]

I just made one of those cause I was like I never see any so why not

[quartz kestrel]

Sarcos, Spinos, and Suchos oh my 🫨 lol sorry

[hybrid stratus]

:/

[quartz kestrel]

Sounded like "Lions and Tigers and Bears oh my!"

[verbal jetty]

well i wanna play allo

[quartz kestrel]

Hatz isn't a problem for Allo though?

[verbal jetty]

a growing one...

[cursive lion]

Hehe 12 hours stego still going strong 😁

[quartz kestrel]

Well that's just being a baby lol. Any baby is a potential Hatz victim

[verbal jetty]

yeah but savanna is open w no trees or escape paths

[cursive lion]

Grow in less popular areas then go savanna fighting

[full current]

hows it goin gamers

[elder sand]

Savanna is good for hunting lots of pachys struths and camptos moving though

[cursive lion]

I haven't even seen a campto or a pachy on this mode

Ton of hatz, a lot of pycnos mostly

[elder sand]

I’ve only seen baby pycnos

They are tasty

[split copper]

I’m a Pachy and I know of at least 4-5 other Pachy’s I’ve run into

[fiery seal]

I've seen you a few times, you seem to run the same areas i do

[split copper]

What do you play again? If you don’t mind me asking

And yea I usually try to stay around there and the surrounding areas 🙂 seems to have a decent amount of traffic without the craziness of the hotspots

[quartz kestrel]

Lmao there's 2 anos that everybody has decided they don't like 💀

[fiery seal]

I think last time I saw you i was a conc, we were playing peekaboo lol I've also seen you on the normal solo on my steg i believe.

[split copper]

I remember that lol 🤣 I was thinking to myself “oh cool I’m not being hunted for a moment” 😅

[fiery seal]

Haha I forgot what I had just fought and I arrived and seen you and was like man I'm about to have to fight this pachy....then we kinda danced around each other and the water and I was like cool but I'm still watching you 👀

[cursive lion]

I wish the stegos love call wasn't so aggressive sounding 😆

[fiery seal]

Forreals, feels like I'm screaming at them

[verbal jetty]

perma challenge... survive as sarco in burned forest pond

[cursive lion]

Epic challenge

Do it do it do it

[fiery seal]

I believe in you

[verbal jetty]

im not that man enough

[wispy thunder]

I am pretty close to burned forest on my sarco

I could try later

[cursive lion]

Sweet. Clip any sick kills you get please? 😁

[verbal jetty]

i just wanna drink in the most random tiny pond one day and get 1 shot by a sarco

[cursive lion]

Or lovingly drowned

[random cloak]

this is a very real fear i have 😭

[cursive lion]

First time I nested on official baby came out the nest went to do lakewood immediately died from a sarco 😭

[verbal jetty]

i always jump in first to check lol

[random cloak]

might as well sacrifice urself if hes gunna get ya anyways

😭

[cursive lion]

Hahaha

[fiery seal]

I was thinking this as well

[cursive lion]

Fog makes me feel like a prey animal but I know I'm not scared of much 🤨 it's a confusing feeling

[verbal jetty]

just wish there was real darkness

and each dino had different night vision

[cursive lion]

I was gonna say instant death for all due to falling down hills 😆

[wispy thunder]

Can you submerge in it?

I’ve been thinking of hiding in the Birchwoods pond as sarco bc it’s small and just deep enough to hide me

[wispy thunder]

In the mire on panjura there’s this one area that does NOT look deep enough but sarco can hide in it and people just walk on top of you. It was hilarious to attack from there

[wispy thunder]

Oooo that’s just deep enough

I think my sarco is in volcano bay. Ill try it when im home

[verbal jetty]

lizards spawn next to the water too

can crocs fit in savannah puddle?

[wispy thunder]

I didn’t know there was a savanna puddle

[verbal jetty]

around here i thnk

[quartz kestrel]

Devs desperately need to update the drawn map

[fair hill]

I was very close to death too though. It was a good fight ngl. GGs!

[verbal jetty]

its criminal that they havnt

fans would do it for free

[cursive lion]

I didn't know It says who kills you 🤔 the rex players hate me 😆

One day I'm gonna log in and just be staring at like 10 adult rex and explode into meat chunks

[verbal jetty]

happened to me before

or log into a mix pack

[random cloak]

achi is super fun on permadeath and i surprisingly havent met any other achis so far,, mainly megs and hatz

all megs and hatz and 1 sarco ;__; quite a roster to see

[verbal jetty]

so far ive seen spino sucho laten hatz

[random cloak]

oh right i saw a single pycno but only because a sarco was beating it up 😭

[cursive lion]

Lol I've seen a lot of pycno

They always try and fight me 🤪

[verbal jetty]

pycno is a safe dino

[cursive lion]

Hard to catch up to them

They falter if there's a lot of stuff to run into/trip over.

[verbal jetty]

savanna

[elder sand]

I’m gonna go herb when my Meg dies for sure either mira or iggy

[random cloak]

is mira fun on permadeath? i might try it out once my achi dies

[elder sand]

I wouldn’t know I’ve only had my Meg

But I play lots of mira and iggy on officials and some fair fights would be awesome !

[split copper]

Just hit 14hrs 🙂

[quartz kestrel]

Ayyy nice

[wispy thunder]

They need to pay vulnona tbh

[elder sand]

Jeez this ruined officials for me guys

Not like that was hard to do but

[quartz kestrel]

Honestly lol. It's hard to go back to walking around a dead and barren map for 45 minutes just to get r e m o t e l y close to a hot spot and get mobbed on Xv1 lol

[elder sand]

Exactly the whole map being empty on officials is the biggest problem

[undone compass]

Maaaan I just died just as I spawned in 😭
Not a problem with the gamemode I am just having terrible luck tonight

[quartz kestrel]

Just finished growing my Sarco and fed myself into the river systems of Gondwa 👁👄👁 good luck y'all

[random cloak]

yeahh u just ate me lmao i spawned on you

sucks but whatever

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/143170871287087105/1256373536956747967/Spin.gif

[quartz kestrel]

Lmao sorry 💀 felt a little dirty with that happening between server resets lol

[random cloak]

YEAHH i was so like "damn hes right there" as soon as i spawned in LOLLL...

it gave me a good laugh

[quartz kestrel]

Watching you plop back in infront of me was just like oof.... If I were you I woulda given it some time lolol. Tried to make sure it was safe 🤣

Gg tho good luck with growing!

[random cloak]

i waited 3 minutes 😭

i was watching tiktok while i waited LOL