warped juniper
I'm very inexperienced with drones (have limited experience using them) and I saw this reel https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBj76qQRDSB/?igsh=X2ZnOUJ5bVo2 -- what drone is this? If I were to buy it, is there something else I should account into buying? i.e. FPV googles etc.
Thanks in advance 🙂
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As a bonus question: obviously since it's an FPV drone I should first get accustomed with some kind of simulator, but are these drones easy to break/lose? Despite their sizes, are they sturdy or easy to find?
digital tangle
in all honesty my internet is so bad rn that I can't identify that specific one 
but that type of drone would be a "tinywhoop." Good news is that they're the cheapest type (for both the drone and the related equipment)
digital tangle
As a bonus question: obviously since it's an FPV drone I should first get accust...
FPV drones in general are super tough, but tinywhoops, due to being so light and kinda slow, are nearly indestructible.
Crashes are a part of learning to fly, especially if you really push your skill, but ideally you as the pilot would be able to discern whether or not a situation is safe to fly in. i.e. if you're brand new to flying and may crash, don't take a large quad into a crowded area. Or, if you're really pushing the maximum range on a new drone build, don't fly it over water or over tall grassy fields, over houses etc. in case you lose it
Larger ones can be built with a GPS that will effectively give you a rough "last seen" location, and you can also install a really loud beeper on it that automatically activates under certain conditions
Tinywhoops are nice and small but also not great outdoors unless there's very little wind. The location in the reel was doable because (a) it's kinda indoors/protected from wind, (b) the pilot is obv pretty skilled at very slow, accurate flying, and (c) (i assume) everyone around the drone gave permission to be flown around
In terms of equipment - you'd need the tinywhoop itself, goggles, a transmitter (aka "radio", the controller thing), some lipo's (short for Lithium Polymer, the type of battery we usually us), and a good charger
This can be had for a little over 300USD. 350-400 would be comfortable
The beginner's shopping list covers a good tinywhoop setup
If you have to cheap out, cheap out on your first drone, as you'll likely build/buy more in the future. The radio/goggles stick with you forever (or, until you just want to upgrade) so don't cheap out on them. Spend a good amount on the charger too - this is especially true for larger chargers when you get into largr drones and use larger batteries. These things can catch fire violently if you mistreat them.
If you want to fly more outdoors or carry a gopro, then you'll want to look into something larger than a tinywhoop - although these are more expensive and need much more space to fly, and can be far more dangerous if you're irresponsible with them
warped juniper
Thank you very much for the answers, seriously, very insightful 🙂 I'm taking a look at the shopping list right now to decide what to get. And thanks for the intro to the basics!
I'm assuming tinywhoops aren't subject to GPS regulation? Like they can fly where DJIs can't (not looking to go in shady places, but my city is basically off limits because there's a private airport short of 5 km nearby)
digital tangle
Thank you very much for the answers, seriously, very insightful 🙂 I'm taking a ...
no problem 
digital tangle
I'm assuming tinywhoops aren't subject to GPS regulation? Like they can fly wher...
so this is why I think the FAA "requiring" things like Remote ID modules on drones is kinda silly - you can simply... not build the drone with the module 🤯
for legal reasons this is purely a theoretical opinion
I mean, definitely don't do anything clearly stupid ofc
to answer your question 
basically no
The GPSs I mentioned in terms of recovering a crashed drone are purely just to receive data and give you coordinates. They're not the same as rID modules or any tracking thing, totally separate
Tinywhoops are so tiny that it's impractical to even include a GPS on them
besides, it's not like you're really gonna be flying a tinywhoop far out enough to need a GPS to recover it
Technically, any drone flying indoors is not under the FAA's authority
and for the most part you usually won't get any complaints flying your tinywhoop around a park, if you're not bothering anyone. although some ppl have bad luck with karens ofc
digital tangle
oh, last bit, make sure to get the ELRS version of drone and transmitter (better, cheaper), and get the Cobra X gogs (whichever version people recommend nowadays) over the EV800Ds if you can
and i think that's about the entirety of getting into FPV
warped juniper
Will do
Thanks
🙂
Oh by the way
What is Walksnail vs Analog? Goggle types or what?
sudden rampart
analog is simple, pretty much everything works with everything if the connectors match
walksnail is one of the couple digital systems, and you have to be more careful about what works with what
its a lot better image quality, but heavier and often more expensive
digital tangle
It's basically the video system, the line of components that gets the video from the drone's camera to the screen on your face. This includes the camera, VTX (video transmitter), and the goggles.
Analog used to be the only system not long ago. It doesn't look as pretty but it's universal among all other analog equipment and it gets the job done
Walksnail is one of the available digital video systems. More expensive, looks better etc. I've heard it's harder to get digital systems on tinywhoops although i'm not sure if that's still true. I don't know much about digital so I'd have to pass that off to someone else
@sudden rampart I'll let you take over from here as I'm still an analog pleb
sudden rampart
<@342475949410877442> I'll let you take over from here as I'm still an analog pl...
SO AM I
digital tangle
SO AM I <:KEKw:810861056611188768>
WE'RE SCREWED 
sudden rampart
lol
warped juniper
Haha, that's all I needed to know. Thanks guys 
sudden rampart
no problem
warped juniper
Sorry again, I am browsing around for the goggles and it seems that Eachine EV800D on BangGood can be purchased with just the goggles, along with a NTSC camera or a Triple Feed Patch antenna
I'm guessing the NTSC camera is not needed as there's one in the drone already and perhaps the antenna is to improve/amplify signal -- am I correct in this?
sudden rampart
the camera will probably suck and the antenna might be ok
im pretty sure the ev800d comes with AWFUL dipole antennas, youll want a CP and patch antenna to go with them
the patch youre talking about might be ok, im not sure
take a look at the cobra x goggles, theyre much better
warped juniper
Thanks 🙂
warped juniper
Alright, I'm keen on getting a BetaFPV Air75 for starter and I'm also getting the charger https://www.amazon.it/BETAFPV-Battery-Portable-Quadcopter-Connector/dp/B09BR387VC?__mk_it_IT=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=1WZ0LIFUAA4VT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.uz43bJgeCu_L-h5AqFmDGA7cued4Ixr1Gbs8FNPpqB3DaRyMTH-pVkIkuPjm3oyVVwb_hdZ47pubHluJG32g9Gk41kQWOSLlwustED5xVML6YflrDwtVD_aEXT08UQqpCKp3TEAfBG1XYxP8kgrTkpYMo0eZmVQsjs1gLWzNgRdNwyKGw1mgC1rHfJRaJRcUarBEO8LMhtwmyd8Ni1wGEnCpOxTMRGiuvIOOOcvEHjg8hPiUVmj4IBBihAI87Pvv4OSiN_Hnoeq_L3SthYdbgWkDvR8kUqvZCeiIJdGG8oM.Fh4j7ATTsMTsWQee5GlKgMz9Mn8TUZFD8OF5ugrGRYE&dib_tag=se&keywords=550+1S+charger&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1733790779&s=toys&sprefix=550+1s+charg%2Ctoys%2C135&sr=1-3
These are the batteries (550 mAh) https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0BZPJX27C/?coliid=I2UB9N721CD8OR&colid=1VGL9PC9SGPAZ&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
The description says Connector Compatible for 300mAh/450mAh/500mAh/600mAh however I'm not sure if 550 mAh would also be compatible and maybe they forgot it/is obvious?
Actually it looks like Vifly WhoopStor V3 is good as well but idk if it supports those batteries
digital tangle
The description says _Connector Compatible for 300mAh/450mAh/500mAh/600mAh_ howe...
the connector has nothing to do with the capacity... they are kinda wording that confusingly lol
The capacity does matter - you'll want to get one that is well matched for the drone
(mainly so that you don't get one that is too heavy for it)
but for charger and drone compatability you'll want to look at the plug which should be a male/female of either PH2.0 or BT2.0, the latter of which is much better and well worth getting
and yeah upon quick search...
looks like the betafpv charger is indeed one of their trash products lol
the 
would be much better
warped juniper
arigato 🙏
sudden rampart
yep the betafpv charger is trash
plain olive
just chiming in, if im not wrong the drone you posted is the air 65 champions edition
warped juniper
Thank you
prisma edge
Alright, I'm keen on getting a BetaFPV Air75 for starter and I'm also getting th...
No personal experience yet but just fiy (please correct me if i’m wrong people) i have heard many people online say they like the meteor75 better than the air75
oblique sable
No personal experience yet but just fiy (please correct me if i’m wrong people) ...
Iirc the Meteor is the worse Version of the air models
warped juniper
Thank you very much for the answers 🙂
Here's what I got:
I had to compromise between quality and my limited budget that's why I settled on the Eachine EV800D and the RadioMaster Pocket. Hopefully it's a nice setup to get started 🙂 Thanks again
oblique sable
Thank you very much for the answers 🙂
Here's what I got:
- BetaFPV Air75 + 4 ...
the ev800ds are fine for a long time
so dont worry about it lol
warped juniper
the ev800ds are fine for a long time
Yeah it's just I've been advised to get the Cobra X instead but opted for those as they cost less
Either way I'm very, very new to this so I don't know what to expect lol
warped juniper
Nice 🙂
hearty dune
Thank you very much for the answers 🙂
Here's what I got:
- BetaFPV Air75 + 4 ...
where are you buying from?
and what batteries are coming with it? if it's the blue betafpv ones they're kinda bad
warped juniper
AliExpress, Amazon for the charger and BangGood for the headset
warped juniper
and what batteries are coming with it? if it's the blue betafpv ones they're kin...
oof
let me chck
hearty dune
ah, shipping will take a while, has to go by boat
buy the drone without batteries
you're in the US?
hearty dune
which EU
warped juniper
italy
hearty dune
the lava batteries are good
hearty dune
ah
warped juniper
hopefully it's the actual lava batteries and not the blue ones lol
hearty dune
how much was the whoopstor on amazon?
warped juniper
~39 usd
hearty dune
in euros?
warped juniper
37
hearty dune
that's below what the italian fpv stores are selling it for, wow
warped juniper
ah nice 🙂
warped juniper
oh!! thank you very much
plain olive
i highly recommend spare frames, props, and (if you don’t have a 3d printer) canopies
warped juniper
i highly recommend spare frames, props, and (if you don’t have a 3d printer) can...
oh yeah i have one. found some files to print 🙂 thanks for the advice
warped juniper
Got this setup thanks to the Discord 🙂
Not in the pic: WhoopStor V3 and Eachine EV800DM yet to arrive
It sucks that they forgot to include the 4 batteries in the package, oh well!
lusty echo
Highly recommend picking up a copy of Velocidrone and the Tiny Whoop DLC. (Velocidrone.com)
Your radio will plug into your PC, and you can use it in Velocidrone to practice your flying (and try out other quads). 💛
warped juniper
Highly recommend picking up a copy of Velocidrone and the Tiny Whoop DLC. (Veloc...
Just when I was looking for simulators. Will do, thank you!
lusty echo
There are many that try, but Velocidrone has the best physics simulation by a country mile. Physics of the sim > all else.
They have your quad in the tiny whoop DLC too. Was added last week 😄
warped juniper
Highly recommend picking up a copy of Velocidrone and the Tiny Whoop DLC. (Veloc...
Do you mean the Microquad DLC?
If so, there’s no Air 75, only 65 Racing or 65 Freestyle
lusty echo
Do you mean the Microquad DLC?
Sorry, yeah, you're right, just the 65mm versions.
warped juniper
Oh shoot. Know any other good simulator that might have it?
lusty echo
At your level, you won't likely notice the difference, to be fair.
It'll still teach you what you need to know to fly it well 🙂
warped juniper
At your level, you won't likely notice the difference, to be fair.
Oh ok
thought it was fundamentally different
thank you 🙂
lusty echo
The 75mm version has slightly more thrust, but weighs a little more.
You could probably fake it by tweaking the mass and thrust sliders on the 65mm version, thinking about it.
warped juniper
Some updates: the Lava batteries have the wrong connector (XT30 instead of PH2.0 or BT2.0) and I’m setting up the EV800DM. While I’m awaiting for the 18650 batteries because I realized too late that they weren’t included in the RadioMaster Pocket lol
lusty echo
What drone are those batteries intended for?
warped juniper
What drone are those batteries intended for?
BetaFPV Air75
lusty echo
The Air75 uses 1s packs, they're 2s.
You hook up one of those batteries, you're gonna fry the drone.
Did you order those ones, or have they sent you the wrong ones?
warped juniper
I ordered other batteries from Ali because they were bundled with the drone, but only the drone arrived, so I ordered these from Amazon
How do you know the difference at a glance?
lusty echo
The label on the lipo gives voltage
warped juniper
Oh I see
lusty echo
Also, the number of conductors in the balance lead, which shouldn't be there at all on a 1s pack.
Number of leads in the balance connector - 1 = cell count.
Since you got those from Amazon, you can send em back though 😉
warped juniper
Yup, that’s what I’m gonna do. Thank you very much, I would probably have fried the drone lol
lusty echo
Happy to help 💛
lusty echo
Depends what's on the VTx sending the signal.
Right Handed Circular Polarisation, or Left Handed.
The "chirality" of nature is a very deep rabbit hole, if you fancy losing a day or two. 😁
warped juniper
thank you 🙂
lusty echo
In fact, it'll likely be a lightweight linear dipole antenna on the Air75, so it won't matter which polarity you use.
warped juniper
Much better 🙂
now waiting for the 18650s for the transmitter and I’m good to go
surreal moss
Got everything and now practicing on Velocidrone. Thank you very much again!
Dang good stuff.
This is probably what I should have done instead of building a 5” NGL.
