#3.5" 6s freestyle quad

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wicked crest
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Me in France tryna find a single empty parking space

mint tree
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like look at this stuff

candid kettle
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In Belgium it's the same issue

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No parking space

wicked crest
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It’s a pain

candid kettle
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More parking spaces needed 🗣️

mint tree
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these are absurdly big

wicked crest
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Why is it so bigggg

mint tree
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kilometers and kilometers of empty parking lots and stores that barely stay open

wicked crest
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I mean I’m sure you don’t complain

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Free space to fly

mint tree
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nah coming from the Netherlands this stuff is awesome

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dead infrastructure everywhere = infinite space to fly FPV

wicked crest
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Dam

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Literally no cars

mint tree
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that specific parking lot

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has 1 grocery store on it which at a time only attracts at max 20 cars at a time

wicked crest
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In my village there is literally no parking space

mint tree
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the rest is always empty

brittle jolt
wicked crest
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Try and find a single parking space

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Also Smol village

mint tree
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a giant factory that recently closed

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with beeg open parking lots and working lights

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thinking of going there at some point

wicked crest
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Oo

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Factories are great

mint tree
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but flying at home right now is awesome too

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just my sleeping schedule is garbage so flying at 2am on a parking lot is great

wicked crest
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Right now the cows have taken over the place where I usually fly so …

mint tree
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eh

brittle jolt
mint tree
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if the farmer is okay with it you could probably fly there if you introduce the quad to the cows

brittle jolt
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yeah no

mint tree
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you need to keep in mind that cows are literally just giant dogs that are interested in everything

brittle jolt
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quads are cow magnets

wicked crest
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Not sure about the cows liking my drone

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Farmer is a nice guy

brittle jolt
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Just deserted on the weekends; crammed on weekdays

wicked crest
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Don’t crash that drone on the parking lot tho

brittle jolt
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especially ebcause it's bottom mount lol

mint tree
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SO gets to fly and she's already smacked it into pavement

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she's getting better fast though

wicked crest
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I managed to break a frame when I was only flying in fields I do not want to imagine flying over concrete

mint tree
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as long as you're not going insanely fast

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lol

mint tree
brittle jolt
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yeah. it took my breath away

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had to concentrate like fuck

wicked crest
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Did you see the Red Bull aka Dutch drone gods drone ?

brittle jolt
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yeah

wicked crest
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Incredible

mint tree
mint tree
brittle jolt
mint tree
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wasn't me teehee

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funny as heck though I got to watch it from third person too

brittle jolt
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ohh. 👏 that is great improvement

wicked crest
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Flying at night with those lights is cool tho

mint tree
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this country is dum as heck

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there's car dealers here that just park their cars on giaaant parking lots

brittle jolt
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oh, those are the lightest props I have, too, 2.5" pitch 😂

mint tree
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and every other 2 parking spaces there's the brightest light known to humanity

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the light pollution is stupid

brittle jolt
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yeah hate that

mint tree
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i am excited for road trip

wicked crest
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In France every public lights goes off at 23:00

mint tree
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going to go across the states and get shitty drone footage everywhere

wicked crest
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Do you have mountains in America

mint tree
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given that america describes 2 continents

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yes

wicked crest
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In the place you live

mint tree
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I don't live here

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don't get me deported

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lol but no Wisconsin is flat

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it used to be just giant ice glaciers and stuff so it basically just carved it flat or rolling hills

wicked crest
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Mountains are the coolest thing ever I swear

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So fun to fly around

mint tree
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I won't dare like fly anywhere where I could actually lose this quad

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but I will have mountains in the footage for sure

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just ordered a bunch more props which will be fun to try

wicked crest
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Oo

mint tree
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and hundreds of miles from humans

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lol

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@white rivet thank you by the way

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these have been AWESOME

wicked crest
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Except when you lose your drone in them

mint tree
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there's some reallyyy pretty valleys we drove through last time

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on the other side giant cliff with river at bottom

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and then more mountainy stuff

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I'd have more quads if Walksnail wasn't so pricey

wicked crest
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I got some « nice « analog💀💀 eve of some snowy mountains

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But analog Dave are never nice

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And GoPro didn’t have battery that day

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Hate when that happens

mint tree
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I'd build a long range quad if they didn't cost money smh

wicked crest
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Same

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Get sponsored 🧠🧠

mint tree
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who would want to sponsor the idot that only smashes into trees

wicked crest
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lol

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Another idiot ??🤣🤣

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Although I’m sure you drive very well

brittle jolt
mint tree
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not in stock

mint tree
broken willow
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how did these come out?

brittle jolt
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a bit plasticky, and probably pink

mint tree
mint tree
brittle jolt
broken willow
mint tree
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no

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window open all day while raining

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and no enclosure tpu moment

broken willow
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boowomp

turbid prawn
mint tree
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luften is reichtig sadpout

turbid prawn
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I just dried mine with the hotplade + filiment box method last night. it came out great.

mint tree
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yeah I need to do that and make it so it doesn't turn off after 30 minutes

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but urgh

broken willow
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and can you send it gcode commands?

mint tree
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probably

turbid prawn
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I see where you're going with that. Cats, you're brilliant!

broken willow
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M190 S70     ; Wait for temp
G4 S 43200 ; Wait 12 hours
M140 S0       ; Set temp to 0C
M190 S0       ; Wait for temp```
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feed it this

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you can change the G4 S XXXXX to whatever seconds you want

brittle jolt
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isn't it G4 Pxxxx

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Ah

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I am too precise

broken willow
mint tree
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I'll do that if the next attempt fails

brittle jolt
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P<n> is for milliseconds

broken willow
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yeah we go with seconds here

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(7hrs is 25200s)

wicked crest
mint tree
broken willow
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zip ties?

mint tree
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probably yeah

brittle jolt
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:/

wicked crest
pine pendant
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That model sucked

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Such a headache

mint tree
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I don't get how to use this SMA mount thing...

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wow this'll just

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never fit

brittle jolt
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you got it

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that's pretty much there

mint tree
brittle jolt
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that looks correct

mint tree
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the tpu part

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it don't fit

brittle jolt
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oh lmao

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here's me looking at the pigtail

broken willow
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Just cut the sma connector

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Ez

brittle jolt
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but... this is why i design frames man.

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no bullshit with not having enough space

mint tree
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it's so annoying

turbid prawn
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should be easy to just slice off the part that interferes. really you only need about half of those tubes that go over the standoffs, but if you slice it down the back, it should still look good 😄

brittle jolt
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yeah that

mint tree
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Just flew 12 minutes cruising on a 930mAh pack in freezing cold

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at midnight with no lights lol

tribal obsidian
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what'd your voltage bounce back to

mint tree
tribal obsidian
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Sheesh 3.48 braver than me

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Sounds like the pack was used perfectly

mint tree
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Definitely had more than enough power too

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It was a very different flying experience for me

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Pitch black outside and trying to be suuper quiet to not bother anyone

mint tree
brittle jolt
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Hell yeah. Just got 3 myself

mint tree
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They're awesome

brittle jolt
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Sweet

mint tree
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Had to change them to xt60s

brittle jolt
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Yep about to go through the same pain. Need to extend the wires too 😭

mint tree
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It's frustrating

brittle jolt
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hmm interesting

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Well, connector-side i'm seeing no heresies

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Just gonna splice so can't speak for tab side

mint tree
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my negative was barely soldered on

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and it used shitty foggy solder

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Haven't done the other battery

brittle jolt
mint tree
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well apparently not

brittle jolt
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not deducting points there

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and mine have been fine so far quantity of solder wise

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ahh is so wonderfully jank

mint tree
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man I thought the balance wire would be short enough

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but chunks of it missing

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how the hell do you tie that down

brittle jolt
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It's part of holding the balance lead up out of the way, why my main batt leads are so long

mint tree
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urg

brittle jolt
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#ifitworksit'snotstupid

turbid prawn
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😆

mint tree
mint tree
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probably latest

brittle jolt
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i need a concrete answer

mint tree
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well gee I'm trying to rinse my battery and drone

brittle jolt
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rinse my battery

mint tree
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i hit a tree

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and now it's covered in tree juice

brittle jolt
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have you tried to fly it since?

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or was the problem extant before

mint tree
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it's better on brand new props and the camera mount moves around a lot

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but there's always prop wash

brittle jolt
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yeah i have been thinking all along that the camera mounts are shite

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better off doing them slightly differently i think

mint tree
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I don't know what to do about it

brittle jolt
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send me the length and diameter and centre distance of the standoffs

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and I can finagle my current ws cam mounts into those dims

mint tree
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you gotta speak to me like I didn't go to school here

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because i didn't

brittle jolt
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how tall is one standoff. How wide is one standoff. And how far are they apart (ideally from centre to centre)

mint tree
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woo I can do that

brittle jolt
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you have a 19mm cam ye?

mint tree
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probably, wish you could google this stuff

brittle jolt
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yeah looks like it from your pics

brittle jolt
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boop @mint tree

mint tree
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failing

brittle jolt
mint tree
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how clean dirt off

mint tree
brittle jolt
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Ok

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I would like from you

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One flight's worth of blackbog log

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at 2kHz rate

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with debug mode gyro_sample

mint tree
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2kHz is not an option in the gui

brittle jolt
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want a bit of hovering, bit of steady level flight, snap moves in each axis, some throttle punches, and some propwash induction (punch, float, reverse, immediately punch again) as well as your regular freestyle or whatever you want

brittle jolt
mint tree
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i dunno

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1600Hz and 3200Hz

brittle jolt
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yeah you do

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do 1.6khz then

mint tree
brittle jolt
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great.

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make sure the flash is empty beforehand

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and dvr to go along with would be great

mint tree
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it'll be a bit before I can fly

brittle jolt
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No worries

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Can I get those frame/standoff dimensions in the meantime?

mint tree
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not quite

brittle jolt
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😩

mint tree
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my gnb battery is growing

broken willow
mint tree
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it's young it has some room to grow

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it uh

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filled up the whole thing

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yikes

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also with these 2.5 pitch props I couldn't get it to prop wash as hard

brittle jolt
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it also doesn't work

mint tree
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what doesn't work

brittle jolt
mint tree
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open it in a proper browser maybe

brittle jolt
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well ok then

mint tree
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yeah

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brave is stupid

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i also hit a tree once or twice

brittle jolt
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in the log? i need to know when that is so I can avoid including it in t he data

mint tree
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yeah

brittle jolt
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ugh i thought gyro unfiltered was included by default now

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Ah well yes that'll doer

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That's a strong frame resonance at about 40 Hz in the roll axis

mint tree
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3:54 I hit a branch and 5:04 I got stuck

brittle jolt
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Cool. Excluding everything past 3:50ish the waterfall plot stays the same

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Which validates the plot.

mint tree
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plot?

brittle jolt
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there's a second harmonic at about 95Hz as wel

mint tree
brittle jolt
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the question is. What the fuck went so wrong

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so we need to have a look at the mechanicals of the build a bit

mint tree
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well you already know the weird messed up parts

brittle jolt
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Need some pics of it like. In flying configuration.

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Batt plugged in, strapped on, all

mint tree
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jeez

brittle jolt
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For now, try changing D gains to about 0.65

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That should put a patch over the issue.

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But this really is something we should get to the root cause of... that's quite compromised

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If you can figure out in the blackbox settings to make sure Gyro Unfiltered is logged

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because for some reason it isn't here

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having that raw data would be good.

mint tree
brittle jolt
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But that those two resonant modes got past the filters

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😬

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Not loving the missing bolt straight out of the gate lmao but i do believe it's gonna be the VTX antenna causing problems

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What kinda battery pad is that?

mint tree
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ummagrip that came with the thing

mint tree
brittle jolt
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Seeing resonance spill over across axes which implies the thing vibrating can do so freely in multiple axes...

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so I think we start by beefing up mounting for the VTX antenna

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But I really want to see gyro unfiltered.

mint tree
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I don't know how that would happen

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cut most of the thing off and it still barely fits

brittle jolt
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Generally, encasing the thing in solid plastic tends to work pretty well to stiffen it up

mint tree
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what do you mean?

brittle jolt
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The antenna itself

mint tree
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yeah but the tpu bits are floating themselves currently

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like I had to cut it and it's like resting on the VTX right now

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pinched cables and all

brittle jolt
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Not ideal. All of this gotta be fixed

mint tree
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a frame only usable if you know someone with cad skills apparently

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frustrating

brittle jolt
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isn't that like, most frames tho?

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bar gopro mounts that are all kinda the same, different quads gonna have different antennas n so different mounting requirements

mint tree
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yeah but stuff barely fitting is kind of yike

broken willow
broken willow
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Haha

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Cad moment

pine pendant
sleek widget
# mint tree

Can you also send a picture between the topplate and bottom plate? I'm wandering if you got cables running over your aio (and gyro) that can cause noise to the gyro (like tapping with a wire on it)

mint tree
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I have the camera wire, power for the vtx and receiver tucked under the aio.

sleek widget
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Can you reroute the vtx wire? Best is outside the aio, otherwise under it.
Which aio do you use?

mint tree
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I can't do it outside, so it just has to stay under

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It shouldn't be doing much more than just battery power though, and the ESC is supposed to be the one on the bottom one

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It's the pink Axisflying F7 AIO

sleek widget
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It's packed with heatsinks on both sides?

mint tree
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yup

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which is annoying as hell but it's whatever

sleek widget
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Ok, i guess that will protect the gyro from tapped with a wire.

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And are all your screws tightened?
I had an 5 inch frame with separate arms. 1 of the 8 screws wasn’t tighten enough and I didn’t solve a resonance around 70hz. Till i replaced the screw and tightened it more

mint tree
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All loctite, but the AIO definitely needs to be secured better itself.

lapis herald
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the base of fc must be fix with metal screws preferably, the top screws need to have equal pressure on the softmounts

mint tree
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had ELRS fail again

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sitting in the same spot as always

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going to the same spot as always

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heard the fan on my module ramp up and boom rxloss

turbid prawn
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What packet rate are you at?

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At my old apartment, I had a real hard time going more than 300 meters because of all the Wifi.
I mostly ran Crossfire there until I moved.

mint tree
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250hz and it went all the way to 2W

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like the antenna on the quad isn't in a favourable position but this is getting a little stupid

turbid prawn
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Have you done the range test thing with it yet?

turbid prawn
mint tree
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everything always seems all good but the LQ just drops

turbid prawn
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It's probably interference, but there's a chance it's an antenna issue. that test should show if there's an issue there.

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If it's more than -40....or is that less than... I have a story... If it isn't, and that's fine, then I ain't admitting nuthin'. nope. no story to tell 😋

mint tree
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I'll check right now

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It's around -43dB and bounces down to -45dB

turbid prawn
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That's fine. you start to worry when it's over 60.
... and I did say over 40.. so.. blush
I fought a range issue for a full week with my first ELRS module. I was so proud of going to one watt, I bought the best antennas, I built the perfect antenna placement... My range slurped.....

The Module is RP-SMA. I'd bought a really nice SMA antenna. .. and didn't notice... and it flew fine until it didn't. It took me a week to catch on. 😆

mint tree
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noooo 😭

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gosh I always half expect sma to not even screw onto rp-sma

turbid prawn
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I may be backwards on the way they were. Neither had the barb.

mint tree
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I checked the 2.4 networks around here too and they're all in the same channel apart from our own

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ELRS shouldn't really have trouble with that

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It's so confusing because I have been flying to that exact same spot in the exact same spot multiple times, even on lower transmit power and it was always fine

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I mean even my video held up

turbid prawn
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that is really weird.

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Can you try moving the antenna? like tape it out on an arm and see if getting it away from the body helps?

mint tree
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I probably could but I'm struggling to find the motivation for that

turbid prawn
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I feel that mood. 😆

mint tree
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I just flew back to the same spot

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using the exact same path and everything else the same

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and it was entirely completely fine

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-70 and 100LQ

turbid prawn
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😖
much ooof.

mint tree
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Goggles were fine, Ranger module was ramped up to 2W's and still had RX loss

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AxisFlying receiver that also looked to be completely fine, antenna too

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afterwards when going to the same spot taking the same route and sitting in the same position

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was completely fine, 100LQ and all

turbid prawn
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@half flax Hey, got a moment to look at this one? She's getting RXloss at 2 watts dynamic power and 58 meters away in LOS.

mint tree
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well, one wall and part human inbetween

half flax
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Do you have any DVR or telemetry logs showing RSSI dBM and/or RSNR?

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What TX and RX?

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Ranger and Axis Thor?

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Is the receiver mounted on top of the VTX?

mint tree
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I can probably get you DVR in a bit

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TX is a RadioMaster Ranger module, 250hz with dynamic transmission set up to 2W's

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Axisflying receiver, whatever it is

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Mounted under the AIO (on the ESC side) with the antenna mounted in a "bumper" on the bottom-front of the quad

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Stock omni antenna on the Ranger module I believe

half flax
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Do you have any other ELRS TX or RX?

mint tree
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I don't

half flax
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The Ranger is pretty solidly built. In the short term, I would pick up another ELRS RX. Something like a HappyModel EP1, BetaFPV Nano, or BetaFPV SuperD depending on what your flying goals are. The Axisflying hardware is less common, but seems to have more than it's fair share of issues.

mint tree
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I was hoping it'd be a fine receiver, it was the only one available so I didn't have much of a choice at the time

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I'm fine ordering another one at some point

half flax
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If you don't mind waiting two weeks, you can get BetaFPV Nano clones on AliExpress for <$10. Otherwise, an EP1 should be easy to find locally for about the same price, or a SuperD for <$20 is a heck of a deal

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Not sure of your budget or timeline

mint tree
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I don't have much time to order things anymore, I could probably get a SuperD or similar somewhere around

half flax
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They're on Amazon for $24, which isn't bad considering an EP1 costs $20 there

mint tree
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Thank you for linking it

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I'm DMing you the DVR since I don't want the license plates and stuff on here

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if that's okay

half flax
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🤔

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That is weird

mint tree
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I've had one other weird RX issue before

half flax
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Looks like both high background noise due to LQ drops around -82 dBm, but then link is at 100% LQ at -77 dBm then drops completely

mint tree
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Where I was in a car flying maybe a 100 meters LOS on a parking lot, LQ suddenly dropped out and RX loss but could still turn it around and kept flying

half flax
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I'm leaning towards a receiver issue

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Can you post the output of status in Betaflight CLI?

mint tree
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sure, give me a bit

mint tree
# half flax Can you post the output of `status` in Betaflight CLI?
# version
# Betaflight / STM32F7X2 (S7X2) 4.5.0 Jun  5 2023 / 13:10:11 (f3fab663d) MSP API: 1.46
# board: manufacturer_id: AXFL, board_name: AXISFLYINGARGUSF7AIO

# status
MCU F722 Clock=216MHz, Vref=3.27V, Core temp=27degC
Stack size: 2048, Stack address: 0x20010000
Configuration: CONFIGURED, size: 3942, max available: 16384
Devices detected: SPI:1, I2C:1
Gyros detected: gyro 1 locked dma
GYRO=BMI270, ACC=BMI270, BARO=DPS310
OSD: MSP (53 x 20)
System Uptime: 19 seconds, Current Time: 2024-04-12T04:10:25.164+00:00
CPU:23%, cycle time: 311, GYRO rate: 3215, RX rate: 15, System rate: 9
Voltage: 2258 * 0.01V (6S battery - OK)
I2C Errors: 0
FLASH: JEDEC ID=0x00ef4018 16M
GPS: NOT ENABLED
Arming disable flags: RXLOSS NOPREARM CLI MSP
half flax
mint tree
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600

half flax
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You should probably update Betaflight also, that seems like an early (buggy) build of 4.5.0

half flax
mint tree
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Will do, but why's that?

half flax
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  1. It has a BMI gyro that maxes out at 3.2kHz, so no need for DSHOT600.
  2. There seems to be a bug with BF 4.4+ with F722 FCs running DSHOT600 leading to late tasks and control issues
mint tree
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Can't find the target thinkies

half flax
mint tree
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What a mess

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Betaflight currently knows it as AXISFLYINGARGUSF7AIO and then AxisFlying product pages say it's axisflyingf7aio

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manufacturer goofyness

half flax
mint tree
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stuck on initiating reboot to bootloader while also displaying stm32 bootloader in the top right Harold

half flax
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GPS or receiver connected?

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Does either power on via USB?

mint tree
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they don't power via USB

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I'll just have to wait till I have access to my SO's Windows PC to flash it

half flax
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You have the STM DFU drivers installed?

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Unplug everything, hold down FC boot button, plug in USB, and try again with "no reboot sequence" checked in BF Configurator

mint tree
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I put it into bootloader mode using the CLI since I couldn't find the button

mint tree
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2024-04-12 @00:14:30 -- Failed to open USB device!

2024-04-12 @00:14:30 -- Are udev rules installed correctly? See docs for instructions```
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it just has no clue for some reason

half flax
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What OS?

mint tree
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Linux, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with all permissions and udev rules granted

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and working fine for other stm32 stuff

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so no clue what the deal is

half flax
mint tree
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heh, neither of us have a standalone chromium browser installed

brittle jolt
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pid tuning tab

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top slider

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below the table of values

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@mint tree

mint tree
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why the hell

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is that a slider

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how do i make it not be a slider

brittle jolt
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turn RPY to OFF in the dropdown

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but then you have to calculate 65% of each value of Dmin and Dmax

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and put them in manually

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sooo. Slider saves considerable effort

mint tree
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what do d gains do

brittle jolt
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Controls the overall level of D of the craft

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and since D is well known as "that fucker that amplifies frame resonances"

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We can do with less of that here

mint tree
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by the way

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unfiltered gyro was very much turned on

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and the default

brittle jolt
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I thought it was, but I couldn't find a trace of it in the log itself. thonk

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I'll go over with a fine toothed comb to see what i missed - but since my graph setup worked for my 4.5 build and then not this one, something smells a little off

mint tree
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i was on a very sussy build of betaflight

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an outdated manufacturer build lol

brittle jolt
mint tree
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yeah flashed it which you can see above

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and I mean I just flashed it

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to rc3

brittle jolt
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Ah yes.

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Sorry. bleary-eyed yawn

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That might well be the difference, then

sleek widget
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@brittle jolt I found the gyro unfiltered, called Before downsampling in blackbox log viewer

brittle jolt
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No, that's from GYRO_SAMPLE

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Unfiltered shows up as gyroUnfilt(0), (1), and (2)

sleek widget
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Sorry, I meant gyro scaled. Thats what you want I guess

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And thats the same value in my blackbox viewer, if I open an log from bf 4.4

brittle jolt
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Damned software updates PepeHammer

brittle jolt
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Yeah there is some inconsistency.

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This is a log from one of my quads

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I see, because gyro scaled for yaw is callingt After RPM here with the log of emilia

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But no new release for the log viewer

brittle jolt
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I think we should be able to figure this out when Emilia gets ua a new log

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And fixed the resonation around 40hz, that is really bad. Thats on all axes. Maybe motormounts?
@mint tree screws has to be tighten by screwing. Loctite only take care of getting loose by vibration.

brittle jolt
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screws has to be tighten by screweing.

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one of the statements of all time

mint tree
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all the screws that are on the bottom are loctited and thus as tight as they'll ever be

lapis herald
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Have you solved the elrs issue? I had problems with elrs range too and it was happening only sometimes and because the antenna wire was damaged and had a loose contact , it got fixed by soldering where it broke

mint tree
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I'm guessing it was either betaflight messing up

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or it's a shitty receiver

mint tree
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was not the correct thing to do

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it now just micro shakes, the entire time.

brittle jolt
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PepeBigHmm Fascinating

mint tree
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also the new updated betaflight

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is fucking annoying

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new font that keeps flashing

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yes my dBm is at -80

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that's normal

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stop bothering me

brittle jolt
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lmao

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set osd_rssi_dbm_warning or something like that in CLI

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interesting about the pids. Disregard what I said, then harold

mint tree
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it felt like I was being rattled in a can lol

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belgian highway feed

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set osd_rssi_dbm_alarm = -100 little bit of that

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and we're good

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tx uplink power osd thing doesn't work

brittle jolt
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close enough

brittle jolt
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making me wonder if you didn't raise the masx output of dynamic power

mint tree
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i did

brittle jolt
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Sweet

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The OSD element works fine for me /shrug

half flax
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TX power is not sent when it's set to hybrid

mint tree
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with the help of having tx power on the osd

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I did some scouting

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in the area I lost signal for the receiver

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it goes to 2W's

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and the goggle's don't struggle much

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meanwhile there's areas where the goggles are basically dying, and the ELRS TX is chilling at 100mW

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definitely some funny stuff, wonder if I could do anything about that

tribal obsidian
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2.4g interference?

mint tree
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I mean it must be

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unless the receiver is just really sketchy

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it was still an incredibly weird rxloss since I am able to fly there and the drop-out was very random

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I can send you the DVR if you want lol

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it's pretty funky

tribal obsidian
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I saw the other one with a similar drop in LQ, safe to say I can't provide better advice than V-22 did it was very cryptic

half flax
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Can you put RSSI dBm, RSNR, and LQ in the OSD and show some DVR? The RSNR will be the main indicator of local interference.

mint tree
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I'll add the RSNR

half flax
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Can also just enable telemetry logging on your radio and post the logs to avoid any privacy concerns

mint tree
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sure

half flax
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It is helpful to see the DVR though

mint tree
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the SNR was the worst in the spot where I lost connection

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but it was still under 15

mint tree
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No matter what I just can't get ELRS to behave 😭

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Walksnail at 25mbps

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dBm at -78

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and radio just goes to 2W and the LQ is super dodgy

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SNR at like 10-15

sleek widget
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Also on different spot?

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Or different quad @ same spot?

mint tree
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same quad, different spot this time

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like 20 meters from other spot

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1 wall inbetween, otherwise LOS

sleek widget
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Can't you go to a whole different spot?

mint tree
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flying around the house

sleek widget
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Something like that

mint tree
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no like, that's what I'm doing

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so not really

sleek widget
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And its not that bad with another quad?

mint tree
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I don't have another quad so I wouldn't know

brittle jolt
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wondering if it's like. goggles' wifi network or some shit

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last i saw the receiver could have done with being mounted further away from potential sources of emi too?

mint tree
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kind of

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it's currently under the aio

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it could be on top

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or on top the vtx

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I don't know what else I can try

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new TX antenna, new RX receiver

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new TX module...

sleek widget
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Do you know someone in the neighborhood with the same hobby? So you can change radio or quad to test

mint tree
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I'm basically in the middle of nowhere so no

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middle of nowhere meaning "the nearest big city is the length of Germany away"

sleek widget
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If you have spare tx/rx lying around, it couldn't hurt to swap one by one and test in between

mint tree
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I'd have to buy...

sleek widget
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I see you have a tx16s with 4-in-1 internal?

mint tree
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yeah a really old one

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v1 before they fixed the charging issues

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with a ranger module with stock antenna

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and a pretty dead battery

sleek widget
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Nice, you can use de 4-in-1 as a spectrum analyzer for the 4.2Ghz band with a lua-script.
It's just a wild shot, but maybe you see a lot of noise with the analyzer.....
Like with your goggles on, etc. as Darkmann already wonderd

mint tree
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Got a link?

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I also have multiple SDR's etc lying around

sleek widget
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O, enough hardware to analyze

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You can use a sdr to see if the rx has reasons to got that worse lq

mint tree
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problem after problem...

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The little EdgeTX tool has a rave but the goggles don't visibly change it

sleek widget
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Sounds that there is a real problem in your lq. Hardware or software.
Already tried with flashing different version of elrs?

mint tree
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It's all on the latest

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went through all the settings and such with V-22 after my random RX loss and their only conclusion was the receiver having problems

sleek widget
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If you try 3.2.1 or something like that?

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Swap out receiver, easy and not too expensive try

mint tree
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easy for most

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monumental task for me

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lol

sleek widget
mint tree
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the SNR always being under 15 and dBm being -80

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and the LQ just dropping in and out

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I feel like that almost can't be anything other than the receiver

mint tree
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It says all the IMU features have been disabled

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but they're VERY much working for me?

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I've reflashed it to 3.3.1, maybe the firmware on the thing was completely broken.

mint tree
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@half flax @sleek widget Immediately the LQ is more stable

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dBm is sometimes 20 higher in the same exact spots

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LQ still jumps all over the place but it's always above 92

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I am so confused lol

sleek widget
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That sounds great! Let's start more testing! Pepega

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And jumping lq above 90 is what I also experience with my receiver stuffed between aio and carbon.

mint tree
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It immediately feels a lot better

half flax
mint tree
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The AxisFlying one

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I flashed the firmware on the RadioMaster Ranger module.

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I'll be testing more but this has been dang confusing

mint tree
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This is now a ducted prop

mint tree
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that sucked

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I guess somehow the soldering on that was the most terrible thing ever, or it got yoinked off after the crash

half flax
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Loose ground could explain your issues

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I'd take the opportunity to just replace the receiver though

mint tree
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I remember from after it cut off that like usual the LQ dropped while the dBm was bouncing around

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and only after the crash all the values went to default

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really want to replace that receiver

mint tree
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surely nothing can go wrong with this one

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only place for it still is I think under the aio

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can't think of anywhere else

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antennas possibly on arms, not sure

sleek widget
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Maybe one antenna on a stand off

mint tree
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I usually put the antennas on the arms.
... you can always add more spacers to the AIO...