somewhat relevant, but with some changes
#Hi, I want to start flying fpv
upbeat urchin
the Eachine EV800D goggles are still about the best budget goggles you can get, but for $500 you have a bit more room to spend on proper ones like the Skyzone Cobra X
Radiomaster radios are still good, but they have managed to get the cost of entry even lower - the Pocket is a great inexpensive ELRS radio. If you want to, you can spend a bit more for the TX12 MK II, Zorro, or Boxer
wild junco
not really. my budget is a firm 500
I really appreciate the help
I remember choosing the ev800d because I need room for glasses in goggles
upbeat urchin
I remember choosing the ev800d because I need room for glasses in goggles
The Cobra's will accomodate glasses much better
as for the drone... do you want to fly inside or outdoors?
wild junco
I want to fly outside
but in the future I would like to try some 1s zoomer
I remember doing some research for tinyape and it's good enough outside
5inch drones are heavier and more likely to break
that's why I choose the 3inch tinyape
100 for controller
250 for cobra x
130 tinyape
50 charger
8 additional props
573 $ total
without shipping
with radiomaster pocket it would be 558
can't do cobra x :/
ev800d is for 95
is there something for like 150?
upbeat urchin
100 for controller
250 for cobra x
130 tinyape
50 charger
8 additional props
I would strongly advise against Darwin BNFs and products in general
The Radiomaster Pocket is like $65
wild junco
found it for 85
wild junco
I would strongly advise against Darwin BNFs and products in general
would you have anything better to suggest?
upbeat urchin
found it for 85
the MSRP is $65 USD
in the EU it may be more expensive, but still not that much I think
wild junco
https://pl.banggood.com/RadioMaster-Pocket-2_4GHz-16CH-ELRS-or-CC2500-Hall-Gimbals-EdgeTX-System-Radio-Controller-Built-in-LED-Lights-Transmitter-for-FPV-RC-Racer-Drone-p-1994795.html?imageAb=2&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc_us&gmcCountry=PL&utm_content=xin2&utm_campaign=cceng-pla-caxx-rc-rcparts-SAsku-SKUK28862-20230821¤cy=USD&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&ID=629964262791556316246&ad_id={{ad.id}}&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA5-uuBhDzARIsAAa21T_k2KzXPHuYc7HvSC5dwNvTjjcfDjFMPvzMq3nXPakZmhwGcVAlnBgaAnTzEALw_wcB&a=1708868132.2359&DCC=PL&akmClientCountry=PL
upbeat urchin
would you have anything better to suggest?
get a Happymodel Crux3 and a ViFly Whoopstor V3 charger - it would be an inexpensive 1s setup
banggood sucks, forget about that
wild junco
oh ok
upbeat urchin
Either get the things from AliExpress, or locally
wild junco
get a Happymodel Crux3 and a ViFly Whoopstor V3 charger - it would be an inexpen...
ok I will check these out
this?
lol way cheaper than darwin
upbeat urchin
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805471508656.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main....
that's the 35
upbeat urchin
it's only 30$ difference for the 35
well yeah, but it runs on 4s batteries, and those would require a significantly more expensive charging setup
tell for yourself if it's enough
wild junco
I mean it's alright
but 35 is 25% off
charger you mentioned earlier is rated up to 6s
if this charger can handle 3s batteries
it would be for 463$
with cobra x
upbeat urchin
charger you mentioned earlier is rated up to 6s
...for input
wild junco
?
upbeat urchin
it can be powered from a 6s battery
wild junco
oh
upbeat urchin
but it will only charge 1s batteries
upbeat urchin
that is only a power supply for the whoopstor charger
wild junco
yea
upbeat urchin
a charger capable of charging 4s batteries would cost at least like $40, and would require a $20-50 PSU
upbeat urchin
which is why I recommend the 1s Crux3
upbeat urchin
a lot, since glasses would most likely not fit under the EV800DM
it has a much better video receiver which you can even upgrade later on
wild junco
okay fair
I have found a comparison between them
yea
way smoother
and it's the v2
I guess v4 would be even better
wild junco
@upbeat urchin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWnN4AwtHcg
look what I found
cheap
my phone is 90hz
high quality oled
upbeat urchin
no
wild junco
how bad can it be?
upbeat urchin
cheap
my phone is 90hz
high quality oled
...and the cheap phone FPV receivers have terrible latency no matter what
does not matter how fast your phone is
when the underlying source is still crap
wild junco
maybe I could find a high quality phone receiver
250 for goggles is way too expensive for me
upbeat urchin
that does not exist to the best of my knowledge
wild junco
<@367656454087245825> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWnN4AwtHcg
this one is 100ms
bad
upbeat urchin
- $250 for Skyzone Cobra X goggles
- $120 for Crux 3 toothpick
- $65 for Radiomaster Pocket ELRS
Comes to a total of $435, leaving you with $65 for a charger and batteries
wild junco
what charger would you recommend?
im trying to find something good, but im kind of confused
what charger would you recommend for 1s
or 3s
im kind of thinking about getting some more money to get the crux35
upbeat urchin
the Whoopstor V3 is really god for 1s
for higher cell count batteries, I'd recommend at least the ToolkitRC M7 charger + the ToolkitRC 100/180W PSU
or ideally a Hota D6 Pro charger
wild junco
ah
both of them are expensive
but I get it
it has to be good, or the batteries may die or even worse explode
i've seen videos of that
thank you very much for help, I'll think about it more
it's a lot of money for hobby xd
wild junco
yeah im thinking about it
I would buy the crux3 and ev800dm
or ev800d
or crux35 and ev800dm
I should be able to fit in budget
Im now making an excel spreadsheet to calculate everything
upbeat urchin
or maybe I can use a usb-c?
Yes, USB PD would work
wild junco
with 5 batteries
and now im searching for spare props
bruh I can't find any on aliexpres
wild junco
I don't think that crux has a t-mount
wild junco
okay, thank you
bruh wrong controller
it has to be elrs
I chose the cc2500
why elrs is more expensive?
cheapest elrs is 72
any suggestions?
upbeat urchin
BT2.0 connectors
wild junco
?
upbeat urchin
what do you not understand?
wild junco
what is a bt2.0 connector
for what is it
it's the battery connector?
idk
please explain
I need to buy them?
upbeat urchin
it's a connector for the battery which performs a lot better than the stock PH2.0
solemn sapphire
https://pl.banggood.com/RadioMaster-Pocket-2_4GHz-16CH-ELRS-or-CC2500-Hall-Gimba...
JumperRC T-lite is a really good budget radio
upbeat urchin
no point in that when the Pocket exists
it fits two 18650 cells, so it lasts longer and can run ELRS at higher power
flat drum
for higher cell count batteries, I'd recommend at least the ToolkitRC M7 charger...
m4ac
im a lil late
but the m4ac is a phenominal 4s charger for 30$
lost my quad now and my charger is still going strong
wild junco
but the m4ac is a phenominal 4s charger for 30$
I have an option to buy the crux35 drone, and it uses 3s
can m4ac charge 3s batteries?
flat drum
crux 35 uses 4s
wild junco
oh
flat drum
I have an option to buy the crux35 drone, and it uses 3s
can m4ac charge 3s batt...
m4ac charges 2-4s
flat drum
where are you ordering from
wild junco
aliexpres
flat drum
what country
wild junco
eu
flat drum
depending you can go on rdq or getfpv and get wayyy better prices than ali
wild junco
poland
wild junco
lol
flat drum
lmao
upbeat urchin
I would strongly recommend not cheaping out on the one device that can actually pose a serious fire risk
if you know what you're doing, it's maybe fine. But especially as a beginner who may not know a lot about the risks and how to prevent them, a charger that is known to be properly safe is much better
and worth the extra money
wild junco
I will consider that
vague haven
im still considering if I should buy a drone
Just wait till you start crashing it and you have to buy replacement parts and tools.
hidden wagon
but will all of these be compatible?
What products are you buying ?
willow herald
the main compatability thing to look for is the control link protocol (i.e. ELRS). Both must use the same protocol to be compatible
I've also heard that the -M version of the EV800's aren't any good. Ppl usually recommend the EV800D (without the M)
Also check that your battery and charger use the same plug (and battery+drone for that matter). If they're different just note that you'll need to buy a little adapter
also check whether or not that charger needs a separate power supply (charger only takes 12v) or not (charger can be plugged directly into wall)
willow herald
just googled it quickly and judging by this post, it has an internal battery stock https://www.reddit.com/r/fpv/comments/1172qir/i_moved_the_internal_battery_from_my_ev800dm_to/
search this server for "ev800dm" though. Seems like the M version is just all around bad
wild junco
I will reconsider them then
I chose them initially because they allegedly have more space for glasses
but im kind off thinking about the cobra sd
they seem cool
willow herald
but im kind off thinking about the cobra sd
If you upgrade to the cobras, I've heard that you should either just go straight to the X V2, or stay with the EV800D, cause the SD isn't good enough to justity the price
I think the EV800D are okay at incorporating glasses but you might want to google that
or even search this server. It's got enough history that you could probably find an answer that way
wild junco
the main compatability thing to look for is the control link protocol (i.e. ELRS...
especially this info here
thank you very much
willow herald
no problem, yeah the compatability stuff seems to get so unneccesarily overcomplicated but it's basically just "both must use ELRS" 
wild junco
lol
willow herald
and all analog video systems are compatible so that's even easier
tropic basin
If you upgrade to the cobras, I've heard that you should either just go straight...
Well, the cobra SD have 480p screens, where has the x v2 has 720p screens, and the SD has a cheaper receiver, who's name isn't even on the product page, it just says "diversity" where has the x v2's have a steady view receiver, there also is the new fatshark echo that might be worth a look, it's the same price has the ev800d I believe
willow herald
there ya go, thanks 👍 never heard of the Echo but looks like it's new
tropic basin
Also, the cobra SD has an upgradable receiver, where has I believe you cannot upgrade the ev800d receiver
tropic basin
there ya go, thanks 👍 never heard of the Echo but looks like it's new
It is, and it's from fatshark, so it's probably good, that being said, they don't have diversity
willow herald
It is, and it's from fatshark, so it's probably good, that being said, they don'...
do they at least have that internal patch type thingy like that Scout version does? or is it just another product aimed at fatshark fanboys 
tropic basin
do they at least have that internal patch type thingy like that Scout version do...
I don't believe they did the same d*mb ass thing where they put 4 patch antennas at the front of the goggles without letting you swap them
tropic basin
it's just a reflex since on other servers you have bots that will give you a warnings/mute/kick etc if you don't censor it
willow herald
it's just a reflex since on other servers you have bots that will give you a war...
I know, I would assume you'd need to censor the latter word though lol
tropic basin
I know, I would assume you'd need to censor the latter word though lol
nah, they are still too dumb, you just need to censor it the strick minimum and it passes
willow herald
nah, they are still too dumb, you just need to censor it the strick minimum and ...
nonono i mean
"dumb" isn't the swear word
tropic basin
"dumb" isn't the swear word <:KEKw:810861056611188768>
The "ass" ? I mean, one is factually like a real thing, where has the other one is a degrading concept
willow herald
The "ass" ? I mean, one is factually like a real thing, where has the other one ...
I assume, cause it's usually the one I see being censored
but you make a good point
I'm no expert in expletives 
willow herald
I already like this community
we're more than a drone community
I've seen ppl come here for relationship and mental health advice
I cannot comment as to the soundness of the advice given though
wild junco
lol
I mean
people try to give good advice
as far I omly received positive feedback
everyone are nice c:
willow herald
Yep this place seems to be the best structured but also most friendly
usually you only get one or the other and end up with ppl with superiority complexes, or absolute channel chaos lol
willow herald
I've seen ppl come here for relationship and mental health advice
POINT in LITERAL CASE
wild junco
lol
tropic basin
everyone are nice c:
We call that natural selection, idiots get banned and you end up with a filtered server
tropic basin
usually you only get one or the other and end up with ppl with superiority compl...
Personally I usually end up with people that didn't yet understand the dunning Kruger effect
willow herald
Personally I usually end up with people that didn't yet understand the dunning K...
lol that's also a fun one to deal with
I appreciate people who want to take on projects they don't yet understand
but
the majority of cases are people who put themselves at a disadvantage and risk, then leave the hobby having made multiple people biased against getting into drones
tropic basin
I appreciate people who want to take on projects they don't yet understand
I love people who assume they understand every aspect of the hobby after half an hour of YouTube, such has a guy before who wanted to do a 9" racing drone with 18650s
willow herald
then they fight back against you when you tell them that they're gonna burn their house down
tropic basin
No, but he apparently found magical "100A rated 18650s with minimal voltage sag"
I instead told him he was going to burn his quad down
To this tho he fought back
tropic basin
Or that he was going to burn himself down because if he thinks using magical 18650s is a good idea for racing, I don't know what other brilliant idea he will have
I wonder if he burn himself down yet
tropic basin
I mean
people try to give good advice
Wait until you discover all the jokes around the size of quads
wild junco
fat sharks scout are great
great quality
and i've found a nice deal for 200 usd for them
willow herald
and i've found a nice deal for 200 usd for them
why would you get a low res, built-in antenna goggle when you can get the Cobra X, which is digital-module-ready, for basically the same price 
I mean, they're probably not the worst, but 200 seems excessive
wild junco
I dunno
im trying to squeeze in some nice goggles into my budget
im left with 30$ for a charger
if I get them for 200$
I have ev800d for 90$
but the fatshark scout has almost double resolution and is nicer
wild junco
why would you get a low res, built-in antenna goggle when you can get the Cobra ...
1136 X 640
it's almost hd
and I do not plan to buy a digital camera
stuff too expensive
willow herald
wait which Scout i just remembered there's multiple i think?
wild junco
these
the're at 53% discount
aaand whe're left with 10 usd for a charger
I can stretch it to 40
or we could find some cheaper batteries on banggood
@willow herald
sorry for pinging
it's getting late, let's get back to it tommorow
tropic basin
wait which Scout <:KEKw:810861056611188768> i just remembered there's multiple i...
yeah, they just recycle the thing over and over, they have like 2 mould they have been using since the start, and there is so many scouts
tropic basin
im trying to squeeze in some nice goggles into my budget
or else, you get the cobra x v2, and a crux3 instead of crux 35, bonus is that you will be able to get more batteries
and not have to strech the budget, plus a crux3 is basically indestructible because of how light it is, so there won't be much added cost later because you broke stuff on your drone
tropic basin
a toothpick does have power
the point of a toothpick is to maximise the power to weight ratio
wild junco
that's why the crux35
tropic basin
the crux35 is hardly a toothpick
tropic basin
yeah, but also more expensive, and more likely to get lost forever in a tree, if you are just starting up, less power doesn't mean it's bad
also, there is a reason why we don't all just fly 5" toothpick with ridiculous power to weight ratio, you don't need the quad to jump to the moon at 50% throttle
wild junco
I'll get the scouts
stretch the budget for a charger
and since I bought these scouts so cheap, I could resell them after I get more serious with fpv
call me stupid but I really want the crux35
tropic basin
I'll get the scouts
stretch the budget for a charger
and since I bought these sc...
the scout doesn't have diversity, so that's not really ideal
wild junco
what kind of diversity?
willow herald
Buying scouts now and reselling later will leave you at a loss, if you manage to sell them at all lol
tropic basin
diversity is when the goggles can have 2 antennas
and it is much better than having only one
cause now you can have both a directional antenna for more penetration, and an omni for the rest
willow herald
that, but also be able to actively switch between the antennas iirc. Some super cheap goggles just have two antenna connectors and they probably are both connected lol
wild junco
uh
tropic basin
that's also a possibility
it would let you get more futur proof stuff so you won't have to throw away half of the gear you bought once you decide to get something nicer
wild junco
yeah, it would be more responsible to do that
tropic basin
it's your call
wild junco
maybe I could cut on cheaper, and get only 3 batteries, a cheaper charger and make some money
maybe it will fit in 600$
tropic basin
don't cheap out on the one thing that can burn ye house down
tropic basin
it's your house
tropic basin
you get it
tropic basin
if the school burns it's even worse
wild junco
yeah I get it
could you help me find a good 4s charger?
on banggood preferably
and batteries also are confusing
same specs, way different prices
tropic basin
could you help me find a good 4s charger?
I would say get a 6s charger so once you get to 6s you don't have to buy a new one
wild junco
I don't think I ever will
tropic basin
and batteries also are confusing
get cnhl batteries
they are cheap but reliable, so pretty good for beginners
wild junco
ok ok
tropic basin
so if you panckage them, it isn't has bad has like a 30-40$ tattu or gnb battery
wild junco
I'll search for them tommorow
I've closed my pc already
I am worried about the charger
I only need it for up to 4s
I won't be getting into more powerful drones
willow herald
I think it's pretty standard for anything capable of multiple cells to go up to 6s? If it isn't, it's probably a really janky charger
wild junco
I dunno
willow herald
i just doubt youd save any money looking for something 4s only
wild junco
I don't really get why they're so expensive
they're like from 20 usd to 100 usd
is it because of the safety features?
or what
willow herald
For one, some of them require a separately purchased external AC->DC power supply (they only accept DC), while others do the AC/DC conversion internally, so they can just be plugged into the wall
wild junco
yeah, that's reasonable
I need to think all of this through
maybe it is better to buy the cheaper crux3 with better goggles
and later it's cheaper to upgrade to crux35
it will be just drone+ batteries
I'm going to sleep
gn bro and thanks for all the help today
I really appreciate it, I've learned a lot
tropic basin
maybe it is better to buy the cheaper crux3 with better goggles
and later it's c...
Yes
half hemlock
I know that those thread has been going for a while, but I built my own 5 inch drone and got ev800ds and a radiomaster pocket for less than $500
wild junco
I can see it being possible
but I think about getting some better goggles
tropic basin
I know that those thread has been going for a while, but I built my own 5 inch d...
Batteries&charger included ?
half hemlock
Batteries&charger included ?
I'm not sure about the charger, but I'm pretty sure the battery yeah
I'll check when I get home
tropic basin
Ok
tropic basin
I'm not sure about the charger, but I'm pretty sure the battery yeah
4s or 6s ?
half hemlock
4s or 6s ?
6s
wild junco
can someone reccomend a nice charger?
nice, not too expensive
I am searching on banggood
half hemlock
I've been using the ISDT 608AC
also this is what it cost, including the charger
and you'd need a solding iron and some solder
upbeat urchin
can someone reccomend a nice charger?
Hota D6 Pro
tropic basin
can someone reccomend a nice charger?
isdt608ac is the cheapest multicell charger worth having (with an integrated psu)
tropic basin
I would advise against the fatshark scoots, has they don't have diversity, so you won't ever be able to say run an omnidirectional antenna and a directional antenna, Wich will close a lot of gates, especially for the price of the scoots, and you also with only 2 batteries will only have about like 10min of flight time in total, so you should probably spend less on the goggles, and a bit more on the batteries, also, you got the wrong charger
If you go with a DC charger (without a power supply inside it) go with toolkit rc
half hemlock
I would advise against the fatshark scoots, has they don't have diversity, so yo...
You could go for ev800d instead yeah
tropic basin
The fatsharks kind of sucks, they are 80$ more expensive and don't have diversity
wild junco
I would advise against the fatshark scoots, has they don't have diversity, so yo...
it's 2, 2 pack batteries
so 4
wild junco
i'll check the charger
tropic basin
i'll check the charger
and the goggles, because right now you are only spending more for the sake of spending more, and getting a worst product at the end
tropic basin
Both are better than the fatshark
wild junco
?
tropic basin
Cobra x v2/4 (the v4 is just a different firmware, same hardware) will give you a lot more and will be more futur proof, and more compact, where has the ev800d will be much cheaper has a first goggles
half hemlock
I would do ev800d if you are looking to get something good for cheap
tropic basin
They are basically the budget king
tropic basin
Not really
They have very low resolution screens, 480*272, it's half of what the ev800d has
wild junco
ok nvm then
tropic basin
So they will only output half of the resolution of an analog signal
tropic basin
ok nvm then
There is a reason why the ev800d is the one we recommend on a budget
dark wedge
personally and i know others will agree id say drop the idst and get a toolkitrc m7dc and the toolkitrc adp100
tropic basin
personally and i know others will agree id say drop the idst and get a toolkitrc...
Yeah, toolkit makes better chargers than isdt if they don't have an integrated psu, if you want a cheap charger with an integrated psu, then it would be ISDT tho
wild junco
I think I will buy this
I chose the b6 neo because it can be powered with usb c
and I bought the xt30 to xt60 adapter separately
upbeat urchin
I chose the b6 neo because it can be powered with usb c
and it has like an 80% failure rate from some tests
... and ZOP lipos are just as bad, if not more
willow herald
If it can be powered from C, then it likely doesn't have enough power to charge a lipo within a reasonable amount of time lol
upbeat urchin
If it can be powered from C, then it likely doesn't have enough power to charge ...
USB PD can do a fair amount of wattage
willow herald
True, but I'd assume OP plans to use it with an average 5W phone charger
upbeat urchin
you can get USB PD cables that spoof your power brick to the max output voltage and give you an XT60 on the other end
willow herald
that also works
If you already have a sufficiently powered ACDC thing then that works
wild junco
im confused with batteries and chargers
and I don't want to spend 100$ on a charger
willow herald
Hey, you can spend $15 on a charger then 300k on a new house 
But just ask what you're confused about
There are no dumb questions
Especially when it comes to making safe electronics choices
wild junco
thank you
so
I need to have correct number of s
for my drone it would be 3-4s (im going for the 4s)
and mah is the capacity
1100 is max on this drone
is cnhl a good manufacturer
?
for batteries
upbeat urchin
you should stay around 850mAh for the best performance
yes, CNHL has great batteries for a decent price
willow herald
you should stay around 850mAh for the best performance
higher capacity could mean longer flight time, but it also means higher weight, meaning worse performance
There comes a point where adding capacity (weight) actually just weighs the drone down and makes it work harder, leading tolower flight time
willow herald
You really only wanna push that limit if you have zero interest in freestyle and just want to maximize air time
wild junco
I see that 4s are about 90-150 grams
150 is for high capacity
1100 mah
I would buy one of those just to fly around
and 3 lighter ones
is this good price or am I overpayin on banggood?
upbeat urchin
you can check on the official CNHL website
wild junco
lol
on cnhl website it's more expensive
oh nvm
it's for 2 pack
110g for 850 mah
is good?
120 for 1000mah
better
maybe there is another good cheap manufacturer? almost all of their batteries are out of stock
and shipping unavailable for poland
tropic basin
maybe there is another good cheap manufacturer? almost all of their batteries ar...
cnhl is the most reliable cheap battery manufacturer, you are venturing into sketchy territory if you try to go lower in price or get has cheap batteries from somebody else
tropic basin
welcome to fpv, nothing is ever in stock, everything breaks, everything is expensive, but at the end it's worth it
wild junco
I hate it here
im slowly going insane
im gonna keep going
I need that drone
it's personal now
tropic basin
wait until you gotta troubleshoot issues that make no sense, or just bind elrs and learn how to use betaflight
willow herald
I hate it here
im slowly going insane
im gonna keep going
I need that drone
it's personal now
Average FPV experience
tropic basin
you are only starting the torture
tropic basin
we all passed by there
I passed two days trying to make my first drone work and it wasn't fun
then I lost it 5 days later
wild junco
even worse
tropic basin
and the camera broke
willow herald
tropic basin
then the aio broke, then the antenna broke, then the camera broke (again), then the motors broke, then the frame broke, now it's a 3" toothpick
wild junco
tropic basin
and now I broke the mounting of one of the motors so it sits sideways
but now I don't have any issues anymore
except my brand new 5" has one less antenna and a broken xt60
breaking stuff is also part of the fun
wild junco
I am going insane
wild junco
it's only the begining
tropic basin
adults playing with toy drones
wild junco
okay
I need a 850-1100mah battery from cnhl
without overpaying masively for the battery or shipment
can't find it tho
tropic basin
very nice song btw
tropic basin
can't find it tho
then wait
wild junco
I can't
tropic basin
or get another capacity
wild junco
the goggles are 40% off for 2 days
fathom prism
order directly from chinahobbyline.com
tropic basin
the goggles are 40% off for 2 days
then buy in two times
wild junco
im trying but stuff is either out of stock
or doesn't ship to poland
tropic basin
just buy in multiple times
fathom prism
pretty sure the EU cnhl warehouse is either in poland or netherlands
tropic basin
you will save more with the 40% off the cobra x v2s and buying in two times, than waiting to buy in one time
wild junco
and is there a difference between xt30 and xt30u
tropic basin
and is there a difference between xt30 and xt30u
the xt30u is the upgraded version of the xt30
I believe
tropic basin
this good?
it will do it's job yes
it won't blow your mind in any particular way has a battery, but it is good
tropic basin
shipping 9$
that is just a normal/cheap price for shipping
I had to pay the shipping of my cnhl batteries (4 6s batteries) 30euros when I first got into fpv
wild junco
ig that's worse
tropic basin
also, shipping will end up being like a fifth of the price of fpv because of how many cheap stupid stuff you will have to buy 20 times a year and pay shipping each time
wild junco
okay
4 batteries
70~$
good
maybe later I will buy more
4 is enough
on the website it says it should fly for 9-15 minutes on 850 mah battery
so good
tropic basin
4 is enough
I would say 4 is the minimum, but I also really like flying a long time
tropic basin
on the website it says it should fly for 9-15 minutes on 850 mah battery
if you just hover
in real life, you get like 4-5min per batteries
tropic basin
oke so then 6 batteries
keep in mind it takes 1h-30min to charge a battery (depending on if you charge from storage or from empty)
so depending on the charger, you might not want to get a load of batteries if you will only have one charger at the end
wild junco
okay then 4
good point
70$
I have 627 dolars in my bank account
that's now our budget
I will eat grass this month
we ballin
tropic basin
that's your money, but also, what if you don't actually fly has much has you thought ? or that you don't like fpv at the end ? don't get in debt over a hobby
also, the skyrc b6 nano needs an external psu
wild junco
I live with my parent
I'll be fine
wild junco
also, the skyrc b6 nano needs an external psu
I can use a phone charger
I have 40w one
at least in theory
tropic basin
did you check the voltage range on the charger and if it had usb c ?
willow herald
I will eat grass this month
This is the point at which you know you're invested in FPV for life
tropic basin
and the minimum w of the charger
wild junco
uh
wild junco
I can't find the minimum wattage
it says max 80w
it has usb c
and it takes 12-20 v
tropic basin
and it takes 12-20 v
most phone bricks only output 5v
tropic basin
still too low anyway
tropic basin
isdt608ac
wild junco
anythink lower won't viable?
tropic basin
anything lower will be exponentially more sketchy
if you don't want an expensive charger, go 1s, I personnally just finished building my 3" 1s toothpick, and even with a completely broken tune, it flies awsome, and has a lot of power
and also makes no noise
willow herald
if I had the choice, I'd rather get good equipment and a tinywhoop then get a larger drone+batteries+charger later
willow herald
e.g. I'd dake a Boxer plus tinywhoop (with intent to get a bigger quad later) over a Pocket and a 5"
wild junco
getting a 1s rn would cut like 50$
tropic basin
by kababfpv who kind of invented the whole toothpick thing
tropic basin
getting a 1s rn would cut like 50$
not really
wild junco
I would only cut a little bit on a drone and 50$ off batteries
willow herald
subtract the batteries, charger, and some from the quad. Could be ~100 saved I'm guessing?
wild junco
I would have to buy the charger eventually
tropic basin
yeah, but it will be a better one
willow herald
yes, but the goal is to cut down on the initial cost and safe for big drone setup later
tropic basin
and for now you can have a really great quad without having to cheap out on anything
wild junco
I buy this now
and get back to drawing furry porn for money
and then buy batteries
in like 1/2 weeks
willow herald
I mean sure but that just delays flying lol, plus you have a smaller transmitter
(imo it's soooo worth it to have boxer-sized gimbals)
(it's really up to you)
tropic basin
(imo it's soooo worth it to have boxer-sized gimbals)
basically, small gimbal sucks, and the bigger the gimbal the better
wild junco
there's something wrong with the radiomaster pocket?
tropic basin
cause you have more throttle resolution
tropic basin
there's something wrong with the radiomaster pocket?
the gimbals are tiny
willow herald
there's something wrong with the radiomaster pocket?
it's lightyears ahead of something like a FlySky, and it's ELRS. But if you can rearrange your budget to afford it, I'd recommend considering the Boxer, cause it uses much larger gimbals. And the transmitter is something you want to buy nice one time, whereas it's much more reasonable to buy a cheap or small drone for now and get another one later
tropic basin
can't I install longer thingies
not really, since the pocket is physically smaller
it will just be a weird mix
willow herald
I think that would get janky with the folding boxer sticks. Plus it's a small transmitter so using longer sticks wouldn't really be helpful if you can barely reach them lol
If you're fine with smaller transmitters then that's totally fine, the pocket is a great radio, but most people like larger gimbals
wild junco
I did fly on a thing like this
willow herald
plus it'd be much easier on your budget to go for a tinywhoop
tropic basin
xbox controllers simply suck at fpv, litterally anything is better, it isn't a good point of reference
wild junco
ye xd
tropic basin
the instant you will grab a real fpv controller you will realize how much it sucks
tropic basin
Just to illustrate my point, here is a boxer gimbal compared to an Xbox gimbal
wild junco
is there any good radio for 100$?
tropic basin
is there any good radio for 100$?
Da boxer
The only thing I dislike about it is that they use their dumb rectangular gimbals instead of the square ones used by the tango 2 or the mambo
willow herald
The only thing I dislike about it is that they use their dumb rectangular gimbal...
I've always been curious, do the gimbals actually have a rectangular throw?
actually... at that point I guess you'd need to ask if you're talking horizontal only, or if you're considering the curvature lol
I suppose the horizontal travel would look like this
tropic basin
I've always been curious, do the gimbals actually have a rectangular throw?
I would assume that it is because of the thick "bezel" it is actually feels more square-ish
tropic basin
I suppose the horizontal travel would look like this
it isn't actually a rounded square, it feels like that because the thing you are rocking is round, but in reality, it is a square with 90 degree angles
tropic basin
would be a war crime to make truly rectangular gimbals lol
yeah, but I would have preffered they would have used full sized gimbals, instead of the slightly smaller than full sized gimbals they use on the tx16s mkii
willow herald
it isn't actually a rounded square, it feels like that because the thing you are...
that would be referring to tracing the stick end to a flat plane, but yes the actual inputs will be perfectly linear
willow herald
yeah, but I would have preffered they would have used full sized gimbals, instea...
never knew the MKII used smaller gimbals. Even less reason to get them lol
tropic basin
that would be referring to tracing the stick end to a flat plane, but yes the ac...
the stick travel too
tropic basin
never knew the MKII used smaller gimbals. Even less reason to get them lol
yeah, and they use the same on the boxer, I believe some taranis radios actually did use full travel gimbals, I don't know if it is the real name for this kind of gimbal, but I heard some people like kababfpv call this like that, but also, the taranis with them are chonky, and I believe the tbs mambo/tango2 has bigger gimbals than the boxer
willow herald
yeah, and they use the same on the boxer, I believe some taranis radios actually...
I don't think there's actually a naming/measurement system for gimbal sizes lol
Though I've owned a DX5e, TX12, and flysky, and my tX16 which has noticeably large gimbals
tropic basin
I don't think there's actually a naming/measurement system for gimbal sizes lol
yeah, but there are general sizes you can put them in
tropic basin
Though I've owned a DX5e, TX12, and flysky, and my tX16 which has noticeably lar...
the tx16 had the bigger gimbals ?
wild junco
theoretically
what 1s drones would you recommend?
dark wedge
mobula7 1s or crux3
dark wedge
8 is 2s and that’s the o3 model and for that price it’s not coming w a camera/vtx
tropic basin
theoretically
what 1s drones would you recommend?
building your own babytooth like quad
it will give you the most power 1s can provide
wild junco
I think im too stupid for that
tropic basin
also, the mobula 8 is an 80mm whoop, the mobula 7 is a 70mm whoop
wild junco
okay then 7 it is
tropic basin
I think im too stupid for that
it's really easy, you only have like 4 components in total
wild junco
I wanna see how much cheaper would 1s be than 4s
tropic basin
you just need to solder the motors, and eventually the camera, and it is the only half technical part
and you will get longer flight time than with a 75mm whoop, at least that's my experience after transforming my open prop 75mm into a 3" toothpick, it went from 3min of cruising, to 5min
or you could get a crux3 1s, it has kind of the same specs has the babytooth, so it should fly the same
wild junco
mhm
would building my own whoop be cheaper?
it would be nice if it is
and a good learning experience
tropic basin
you won't save money buy building unfortunatly
dark wedge
would building my own whoop be cheaper?
nope
tropic basin
I would have liked to, it would have let more people get into fpv by building, but bnf are cheaper than building with the exact same specs
wild junco
lemme cook
im researching
1s
for a mobula 7 it would be 566$
for the crux35 4s it would be 640
so I save 74 $
imo not worth
tropic basin
for a mobula 7 it would be 566$
there is more to consider, with the mobula 7, you will have way more batteries, so more flightime, you will be able to fly inside, so no need to have to go outside to fly, wich is actually a pretty big psychological barrier, where has here, you just plug it in, and while still being at your desk you can go fly
and you won't ever break or loose a mobula 7
wild junco
will mobula7 have similiar range to curx35?
just curious
does it depend on the drone, or more on the goggles
tropic basin
does it depend on the drone, or more on the goggles
both, there are 4 variables to range, the enviroment (how much stuff is between you and the drone), the vtx power output (1w will go further than 25mw, when you quadruple the mw, you double the range), the antennas (20 turns directional helical antennas will have more range than a piece of copper wire sticking out of the goggles) and the receiver on the goggles (a tbs rapidfire will have more range than an aliexpress special no name receiver)
wild junco
I need to start making notes
I have never met more helpfull community than you guys
thank you for clearing things for me
I apreciate it
tropic basin
it's why I am here
wild junco
thank you for being here
vitroid earlier reccomended me a whoopstor 3 charger
but it has to have an external psu so it will cost almost the same as the one you reccomended
tropic basin
will mobula7 have similiar range to curx35?
they have the same vtx output power, so with the same antenna, goggles, and environment, yes
tropic basin
but it has to have an external psu so it will cost almost the same as the one yo...
it can charge 6 batteries at a time tho
wild junco
I mean it's nice
I think about getting a good goggles, radio and a cheaper drone, charger and batteries
and check how much would I have to pay later to "upgrade" to 4s
tropic basin
you stick with the cobra x v2, get a boxer, crux3, some 750/600mah 1s batteries, the whoopstor v3, a psu, and voila
tropic basin
the same time has any other batteries
wild junco
right?
tropic basin
30min if it is from storage, 1h if it is from empty
wild junco
oh
tropic basin
but you can charge more 1s batteries at a time
wild junco
yeah
so
I save 70~$ if I get a 1s
but then I would have to pay like 270~ to get to 4s
tropic basin
but mainly you will be able to have better hardware from the start
tropic basin
the boxer is really nice tho
tropic basin
not necesserally
wild junco
im slowly going insane
I started from 500$ budget
and thought it will be enough to get a really nice drone
now im contemplating life trying to fit in 700$
lol
tropic basin
same, but I ended up with a 1000 euros buy in, and I ended up at 2600euro today after 3 months
wild junco
lmao
tropic basin
darkman is at 6000$
tropic basin
in a year and a half
tropic basin
you guys are insane
usually, unecessary hobbies attract people that can throw money out the window, if you don't believe me, go look at the keyboard and audio hobby
wild junco
yeah
xD
I kinda want a more outside drone
I live currently in a boarding school and trying to find hobbies outside
my first 2 years i've spent in front of my pc
and I want to change that with a nice outside hobby
i've tried biking...
but someone stole my bike
tropic basin
my first 2 years i've spent in front of my pc
I spent the last 7 years infront of a pc, what are you complaining about
tropic basin
also, instead of sitting infront of a computer, you will sit on a rock or something watching the world throught a different screen that sticks to your face instead of being two foot away from your face
tropic basin
so if the only motivation is going outside, eh, it's debatable
wild junco
it's not the only motivation
im having wet dreams about drones for the past 2 year
I would have bought tinyape in 2022 but I broke my laptop and had to buy something
tropic basin
I would have bought tinyape in 2022 but I broke my laptop and had to buy somethi...
one perk of a tinyape is that you will be able to learn how to repair a drone the instant it arrives in the mail
wild junco
lol
willow herald
one perk of a tinyape is that you will be able to learn how to repair a drone th...
394 casualties reported in the DarwinFPV warehouse
wild junco
so after all this
it's finaly here
thank you guys, I wouldn't have done it without you :D
wild junco
2 years later xD
willow herald
dron 
wild junco
3 if you count from the begining
willow herald
👴
latent wadi
Oh my god
willow herald
powerloop footage or ur lying
wild junco
well batteries still haven't arrived
once I get everything I will show you :D
rn I have issue with goggles
connected
throttle position works
but no video
wild junco
powerloop footage or ur lying
willow herald
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150781870938804295/1483931555209416845/P...
HES TELLING THE TRUTH !
wild junco
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