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[agile pumice]

It might literally be the FC itself not being nice

[livid jasper]

I hope not

I don't want to buy another one

[agile pumice]

Try clicking the "I can't find my USB device" thingy and see if there are other devices you can select

[livid jasper]

I get all the exact same issues with a known good whoop

[livid jasper]

That's what I used to get betaflight to pick up my quads

[agile pumice]

Okay so I'm pretty sure it's just a permissions issue

Follow these steps

The group I needed to add was uucp for my computer, and the device path was /dev/ttyACM0 for me so you'll have to run the commands specific to your computer

From https://betaflight.com/docs/wiki/guides/current/installing-betaflight

[livid jasper]

How do I know what are the commands/names I should use ?

[agile pumice]

Betaflight tells you the path

That section tells you everything else

[livid jasper]

This ?

[agile pumice]

Yes

So you should run ls -la /dev/rfcomm0

[livid jasper]

Thanks, well I'm going to go eat I'll do that right after

[agile pumice]

Once you do that, it'll give you output like this. The 4th column is the group, in my case it was uucp but it might be different for you. Once you have the name, run sudo usermod -a -G <groupname> $USER where <groupname> is whatever was in the ls output. After that, restart the Steam Deck and it should hopefully work

[austere creek]

rfcomm is not going to be the device by the way

the browser app version has also been kind of bugged recently

[agile pumice]

Do you think the flatpak version'll report the right device?

[austere creek]

I would just download the Linux version of 10.10.0 and try that before anything

https://github.com/betaflight/betaflight-configurator/releases/download/10.10.0/betaflight-configurator_10.10.0_linux64-portable.zip

[agile pumice]

I swear I suggested that 😭 Looking back through the messages I guess not lol

[livid jasper]

Love you Flynn, it works perfectly now

Now just need to fix the configuration of my quad

Well, seems like my aio is actually causing a bit of trouble cause my known good aio works just fine, but this one gets stuck on "waiting for data..."

[austere creek]

i took a closer look at zen browser

and it genuinely seems like my worst nightmare

[agile pumice]

How so?

[austere creek]

the interface, the way it is made, the way it looks

it is all the exact opposite of what I have ever wanted

[opal abyss]

Doesn't vitroid love it?

[agile pumice]

My youngest brother loves it too lol

[austere creek]

yes and guess what i don't like either

[next knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wtf-eyes-look-phone-gif-3927559383930151204

[tame lantern]

I do too, its exactly what I want from a browser, I think emilia is just weird

[uncut obsidian]

Emilia is weird yes, but I'm not convinced by zen either, just looking at it
Like who thought the browser should be doing the window tiling?

[tame lantern]

me, I thought that

tiling in a browser just makes sense

it’s like me going from windows to hyprland, I thought the tiling would just be a thing I wouldn’t use much but I love it

[tame lantern]

my power went out, rip uptime :(

[ripe stream]

I figured out how to sleep my server without shutting it down and my uptime has been going up

-# only 33 days

[tame lantern]

I need to put it on a UPS so I can properly shut it down

[ripe stream]

wh

how do you currently shut it down

[tame lantern]

I never shut it down, the power going out abruptly turned it off

[ripe stream]

oh i misunderstood

[tame lantern]

I mean have it on a UPS so I can properly shut it down when it goes out

[ripe stream]

I thought you meant you regularly shut it down by yanking the cord or something

[tame lantern]

it should be pretty easy to make my own UPS right?

[ripe stream]

idk just some hundreds of capacitors in parallel and stuff

reverse full bridge rectifier?

[tame lantern]

I was thinking just make it from a bunch of 21700 cells

idk if that would work or not

I need to look into it

[tame lantern]

here’s a fun tip

it’s a bad idea to not update your mirrorlist for 3 months

Arch is such a pain to fix when you let it get too out of date

Debian my beloved

[agile pumice]

That's... very reasonable for a rolling-release distribution

[tame lantern]

yeah I know how that works I’m just lazy

it’s like installing a -git package and never updating it

[agile pumice]

😭

Just use an AUR helper and read the diffs

[tame lantern]

paru <3

oh wait

by -git I mean aur files with -git at the end, which are built from the github repository and are always bleeding edge instead of the stable package

[agile pumice]

Yes, so it's easy to keep them up to date with an AUR helper

[opal abyss]

Thought this was #🌀off-topic and it was a post about actual gnomes

[ripe stream]

i am equally curious as to the reasoning behind garden gnomes

[uncut obsidian]

i doubt anyone will argue against the fact that they increase productivity

[opal abyss]

Your honour, I disagree with the statement that garden gnomes increase productivity

[ripe stream]

-# insert angry redditor downvote here

[ripe stream]

-# insert passive aggressive redditor upvote here

[opal abyss]

I swallowed some toothpaste while upvoting your messages

This has to be a bad omen

Idk whats in that toothpaste but my throat is fucked up now

[sharp helm]

the only part i dont like about gnome personally is that gnome software kind of sucks in my experience

i hated the gnome file manager

[agile pumice]

How come?

[sharp helm]

like right clicking in a directory only lets you make a folder i think

[sharp helm]

mainly just what i said above but it overall just seemed limited in faetaures compared to Dolphin

[agile pumice]

It does a bunch of stuff, including making new files from templates you define

[sharp helm]

though i havent used it in a while

[agile pumice]

Yeah idk they might've updated a lot since you last used it

[sharp helm]

i think i used it ~a year ago

id have to live boot ubuntu or something and try it out again

[agile pumice]

Oh no it definitely had that feature last year

[agile pumice]

Couldn't you just install the file manager? I'm assuming you're on KDE

[sharp helm]

nevermind!!!!

i forgot distrosea existed

[sharp helm]

i might be able to

[agile pumice]

DistroSea seems easier though lol

[sharp helm]

@agile pumice so how does gnome go about making new files

im used to just being able to right click to make a new file

[agile pumice]

You have to add files to a special templates folder IIRC it's a little annoying and not visible to the user at all

Oh actually I think I circumvent this issue by just living in the terminal lol

[sharp helm]

[agile pumice]

Okay it's a little more visible than I thought. It's also in the F1 help menu at the wayyyy bottom. Still not great though

[sharp helm]

honestly just dont think GNOME is for me

it just seems a little to simplified

dont even get to know my volume percentage

[agile pumice]

150%?

[sharp helm]

yeah thats what it should be

[agile pumice]

That is fair though. It's a very opinionated DE with options for customisation, but nothing close to what KDE has to offer out-of-the-box

I personally like it for its 1-to-1 mouse gestures 😅 And also I made a custom theme so I can read stuff and it works well enough. If I were starting over I'd probably go with KDE

[tame lantern]

File managers are cringe

[sharp helm]

https://tenor.com/view/goodgoshrendfit-dill-iceddill-linux-linux-users-gif-20961611

[tame lantern]

I love terminals

[sharp helm]

i love terminals for anything but ffmpeg

i have yet to learn how to use it

im surprised nobody has really made a GUI version yet

i might just set up a bunch of aliases for ffmpeg

ill always be doing AAC > whatever audio codec

because davinci doesnt support AAC on linux

[agile pumice]

People have. Have you tried any of them? They won't give you the full FFmpeg featureset, that's... hard to do. But they'll give yoi a lot of the more often used features

[sharp helm]

all i know of so far is Handbrake

which im not too fond of

[agile pumice]

How come?

Handbrake has been pretty good for me, though now I just use FFmpeg CLI

[sharp helm]

well how i mentioned with how i need to convert audio from AAC

Handbrake doesnt allow you to ONLY convert audio

so a bunch of time is wasted messing with the quality and all of the video

which i also just dont want my video to change at all

[agile pumice]

Ah, fair. Well, HandBrake isn't trying to be an FFmpeg wrapper, so I'm not surprised it doesn't let you do that 🤷

[austere creek]

gnome is horifically opinionated and most distros come with it very customized

last gnome movement I heard of was them getting pissed users were theming their apps

[agile pumice]

Yeah like it's objectively a bad DE if you want to be able to customise things. There are extensions that let you customise a lot, but they're all running atop the GNOME Shell so they all feel a little hacky compared to anything KDE has to offer IMO

I've just gotten used to it 😅

[austere creek]

I never could get used to it

honestly I never was able to even stand it, even on something like Ubuntu

[ripe stream]

upvoting a reddit opinion? impossible. you can only make a sassy reply or downvote. those are your only options.

[ripe stream]

I only need basic functions when not using terminal so it works for me, but yeah this is the one thing that gets me. No way to make a new file via GUI, at least not without some extra steps, which is pretty dumb

modifications are kinda limited but there's actually just enough for my needs. can easily set up a volume bar, pc stats, etc

also got a couple of these custom things for miscellaneous actions

[sharp helm]

do you guys think eww is worth setting up

i think last time i tried setting it up i gave up because i couldnt figure out how to install widgets

[austere creek]

what's the point of widgets

[sharp helm]

widgeting

idk they look cool

though i dont really use any because the KDE ones are kind of ugly

all i have rn is a color picker on my second monitor

[agile pumice]

Thah's what I used when I tried out Hyprland. Seemed cool

[austere creek]

i mean i honestly don't even look at my desktop

i only see it when I reboot

lol

[sharp helm]

thats because you dont have a super awesome amazing wallpaper

i need to get more colors

[sharp helm]

yeah this is too manual for me

[austere creek]

@granite idol this is a fun one https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2025-27840

ESP32 bluetooth vulnerabilities

[granite idol]

interesting

[austere creek]

kicad borkey

[sharp helm]

on todays episode of trolling the arch linux discord

someone might actually believe its real

[opal abyss]

bruh

poor arch peuple

[austere creek]

i was getting worried that first screenshot was how all the people were going to be lol

[ripe stream]

you should post it in that linux server that does this kinda stuff

[sharp helm]

Omg what server is that

[ripe stream]

https://discord.gg/discord-linux

[sharp helm]

i think i was in there before

god its awful

[ripe stream]

"helping someone in a DM with a distro that i do not like"

[sharp helm]

these people are insufferable

[ripe stream]

like bro do u also want access into my bedroom to provide criticism and moderation there too??

wanna join me in my doctor's appointment???

[sharp helm]

yeah i joined back in 2022

[ripe stream]

what fun

[sharp helm]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[ripe stream]

it is at least as bad as 1984

i wonder if i've contributed any convo ther ein the past

[sharp helm]

i have to wait 5 minutes just to access the serve because they are on "raid mode level 1"

i wonder why

no support or feedback here

[ripe stream]

this is their resting face

[sharp helm]

yeah these people are crazy

[ripe stream]

@sharp helm i just remembered this lol

[sharp helm]

i need to submit a google forum with my discord ID

[ripe stream]

u just gonna get banned immediately

[sharp helm]

what could they possibly need my email for

[ripe stream]

they're gonna straight up fabricate some screenshots and get your account suspended

[sharp helm]

yeah this is def some new thing

i dont remember having to do that

[ripe stream]

same, I don't think i'd'a've done that kinda thing to access a public server lol

[sharp helm]

its almost as they should listen to feedback from their community and people wouldnt hate them so much

[ripe stream]

ironically

i haven't read the rules, what could rule 4 possibly be? "no stating of opinions"???

ITS WORSE

[sharp helm]

they probably told someone to go to a server 1000x for support

[sharp helm]

literally 1984 😭

[ripe stream]

i cannot believe this

[sharp helm]

these people can not be real

[ripe stream]

naww

[sharp helm]

how you can be this upset 24/7

[ripe stream]

this has to be some like

idk

sting operation

conspiracy theory that this server was a fully set-up social experiment feels more real

[sharp helm]

id believe it

[ripe stream]

i am resisting an extreme urge to not reply this with "*you're"

the victim of moderation here is also in the 3d printing and homelab servers, i should let him know that we're laughing at this in here

[sharp helm]

lol

[ripe stream]

oh wait! that might constitute discussing moderation actions and other servers in DMs, which is a bannable offense!

[austere creek]

this is what people think of when "discord moderator"

[stray sierra]

https://x.com/edwardjxli/status/1898570957079683574?s=46

Edward Li (@edwardjxli) on X

Woah WTF??? Android just quietly shipped an entire working Linux Distro in their latest Android 15 feature update!?!

X · Mar 9, 2025, 3:06 AM

[austere creek]

surely the person tweeting is satire

right?

also it is so sad you can't get off of the nazi platform

[tame lantern]

Bluesky is cool

Roman salutes but 45° higher is not

[agile pumice]

Bsky I'm on Bsky it's cool

[austere creek]

mastodon

[ripe stream]

"why is the public image of linux look bad?"
also:
"yOuR not allowed to talk about topics that I have not deemed valid nor express opinions which I have not shown support for"

[austere creek]

it's so stupid

anyhow new rule, no elrs ever

[ripe stream]

"official support"? hah! watch me create "official dis-support"

[agile pumice]

Nah it'd be more like "no talking about anything not ELRS, ever"

[austere creek]

given mint is more or less the most popular new-people distro and they seem against anything like that

to me it more looks like "only talk about TBS and IRC"

"frsky and flysky as well, but limited support"

lol

[ripe stream]

it'd specifically be, some dirt broke guy from 3rd world country building a quad from scratch using an inherited FrSky radio set, another guy helping him out in DMs, and the server mod banning both for supporting an unsupported control link in DMs

[stray sierra]

I like bluesky but i follow more people on twitter

Ive started to also use tumblr

[austere creek]

the tweet is basically saying

"the linux distro can run qemu!?"

[opal abyss]

Bruh what a ban fetishist

[ripe stream]

that place has like three bans a day

they've got ~15.7k members somehow

what a based opinoin

[granite idol]

10/10 ragebaiting

dude they just a proffesionall ragebaiter

[ripe stream]

ragebait? I'd call that a good ol' fashioned joke

do we do those anymore?

are those a thing? am i too old?

[austere creek]

yup

[austere creek]

@sharp helm

https://github.com/ravachol/kew

i feel like this is something you'd like

so

[sharp helm]

it is perchance

Tauon is pretty hard to beat tho

its cool but not really practical imo

atleast with how i use music players

[tame lantern]

cmus my beloved

if you want a visualizer, easy, open another terminal with cava

[ripe stream]

imagine rulebooking someone for enjoying something

[undone wharf]

galaxy55 has been warned

Reason: mentioning an unsupported distro in a screenshot

[austere creek]

you know your rules are trash when there's a command to instantly fetch them

[ripe stream]

[opal abyss]

@ mods a mod just mentioned a unsupported distro in a warning

Linux discord mod type shit

[ripe stream]

funny thing, it's not just one or two mods, it's seemingly the entire 15k member base

downvotes and everything

cesspool

[austere creek]

scheiße

[ripe stream]

no wonder linux has its reputation

[opal abyss]

Definitely not toxic there

[austere creek]

oh yeah spaces like that are sadly for a lot of younger people the first thing you see

like that kind of behavior existed even on IRC, but it wasn't nearly that bad

[ripe stream]

strike 1: participating in an uncondoned conversation regarding an unsupported distro
strike 2: continuation of conversation already ended by moderators
strike 3: profanity

repercussion: account reported and 12 hour slowmode on all channels. think about what you've done.

[austere creek]

yeah there's not really any logic

[ripe stream]

i wonder if I can get a warning for stating "i like mint"

i need ideas

what's the most ridiculous warning trigger

[austere creek]

honestly? mentioning your distro in a message where you don't have to mention a distro at all

like

"I installed program on my Linux Mint installation"

[ripe stream]

i would but I don't think that's likely enough to trigger a warning

could ask about a distro though...

[austere creek]

that be the point

do it in front of a goofy person

[ripe stream]

i gotta find out when they online

LOL

these keep getting better

[austere creek]

poor dutch person

[ripe stream]

screw it, i'll ask "hey i just installed mint! what's everyone's opinion on it?"

[austere creek]

you're going to get like 10 people banned smh

[ripe stream]

will it not be for their own good

[opal abyss]

They will dox you

[austere creek]

it would be

[ripe stream]

i'll have the police on the phone when I ask

anyways, lmk next time uhh

preshyon

is active

[opal abyss]

They will call them before you can

Swatting

[ripe stream]

stream swatting

[opal abyss]

I feel like our server is definitely one of the more wholesome out there

(shoutout to the mods)

[ripe stream]

we can help people with things without being insta-banned. i'd call that a decent step above the linux server if nothing else

[austere creek]

our rule 1 is a lot nicer than the one they have

[opal abyss]

We should update the rules, ban everyone who mentiones anything else than elrs

And report anyone who talks about using more than the allowed output power or no LBT in the eu

[ripe stream]

ban people for helping each other with frsky in DMs

[livid jasper]

Implant electrodes into people's brains and ban them as soon as they merely try to think about crossfire

[opal abyss]

Ban people as soon as they use the letters c, r, s and f in a sentence

Only sentences that don't contain all of those 4 letters are allowed

[ripe stream]

ban? simple methods, have you

personal implanted consciousness termination device

[agile pumice]

Gettin' frisky with FrSky

[ripe stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/788102461322821642.gif?size=128

[keen leaf]

I use Arch btw

[granite idol]

“first media server, can this work?”

[next knoll]

wait that'd ban ELRS users too

[opal abyss]

just ban everyone who uses a radio

[uncut obsidian]

control line or nothing

[tame lantern]

in CLI we trust

[tame lantern]

whats everyones favorite cursor?

[agile pumice]

Adwaita I'm a boring GNOME user

[tame lantern]

fair

I dont really like how the hand icons look cut off at the bottom

[austere creek]

the one the thing comes with

or maybe the nyan cat cursor virus I downloaded

[tame lantern]

I just kinda assumed people who use linux would have pretty custom cursors

hmm

I like these ones

[austere creek]

my customization era was 10 years ago

i have been in my use default kde era for many years now

[tame lantern]

I dont really rice per se, I just change some things around to something I like more

I was actually on the fence on if I should use a window manager or just plasma

[keen leaf]

You mean you don't spend 8 hours a day customizing your boot splash, login page and hyprland config every time it breaks on update? Are you sure you're a linux user?

[austere creek]

I did! 10 years ago!

[tame lantern]

Hyprland has never broken on an update for me but I still have 2 backups of the config cause I really don't wanna remake it again

[keen leaf]

One day I wish to have a Hyprland config that is so optimized for workflow that I can actually start to use it to work.

[tame lantern]

its genuinely so nice to do everything I wanna do and barely touching the mouse

and who needs to learn all the different keybinds when you just make them all yourself

setting everything up was a little painful, to me its worth it

[austere creek]

i like using my mouse

[tame lantern]

I just find it annoying having to move my hand over to the mouse and back to the keyboard when some things I can do with just the keyboard

[austere creek]

you see my trick is just being wildly incapable of using my hands anyways

i used i3 for like a year, never remembered a single keybind

had to have a damn cheatsheet at all times

[agile pumice]

I tried switching to KDE, but ran into issues 😅 Is the widget management system just bad? Like I broke it a couple times, and selecting the widget options was horrible, I had to like... move the mouse fast enough that the popup doesn't disappear before my mouse gets to it and stuff like that. Also there didn't seem to be a way to override the width of a widget? The media info widget was stuck at a specific width that cut off most of the info. And the clipboard widget didn't have an option to display the clipboard content, stuff like that

[austere creek]

What version of KDE is this?

Plasma 5 was getting to be really quite stable, then they did their big small improvements release (6) which was really buggy for a few months which I kind of expected so I stayed on 5 and waited it out.

[agile pumice]

Whatever was on the Arch repo 😅 Probably 6. This was like a week ago

Looks like 6.3

[austere creek]

oh ouch

I mean again by stock KDE I mean I basically haven't touched the widgets either

but I went and looked just now and it was fine

[agile pumice]

Damn maybe my computer just hates me 😭

I do really like how easily customisable it is

[austere creek]

I don't use the clipboard thing, but I looked just now and you seem to need to just click it and it copies it to your current

[agile pumice]

Yeah no the way I use my clipboard manager in GNOME is I have it display my current clipboard contents in the status bar. It's been super helpful and like the one thing that I really miss when using Windows

[austere creek]

OpenSUSE is and has been for a long time a KDE-first distribution, which helps a bit with stability and such

[agile pumice]

Well. That, and the OS not randomly hanging for literally no reason

[agile pumice]

Fair. Though I'd expect Arch to be relatively well supported too 🤷

[austere creek]

maybe

and no, I don't particularly like how OpenSUSE works and I don't really like the package manager and whatever else you can come up with

but while being rolling release, it is more tested/differently structured than arch is and that is kind of just what I need

rolling release but a little more stable™️

[agile pumice]

Interesting. Maybe I'll play around with it after I graduate 😅

[austere creek]

I think I used Arch for probably 4-5 years before this

and before that it was on-off between Arch and more stable Debian-based shenanigans

i tried void at some point as well

[agile pumice]

I went from Fedora to Ubuntu to Fedora again to Ubuntu again then Arch 😭

[austere creek]

used to be able to do so many shenanigans but now I need something that has all the recent but is stable lol

feels bad

[keen leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/arch-linux-arch-linux-gif-25380879

[austere creek]

yeah that's me

[tame lantern]

I love attempting to do basic tasks in windows

I cant even upgrade my packages

I have to dig through the control panel just to set it to 24 hour time

[keen leaf]

me waiting for my 3k USD windows laptop to boot while my third hand thinkpad from 2012 running Arch has already done

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[tame lantern]

if we ignore the time it takes to type in my password, it takes a good 10 seconds to get from pressing power to the window manager being fully loaded

windows feels so frustratingly slow after using it

[austere creek]

takes a good minute to boot my machine

[tame lantern]

Windows?

[austere creek]

linux

[tame lantern]

hmm

are you using like a heavy desktop environment

[austere creek]

systemd services that sometimes can't start with a long timeout + kde

[agile pumice]

Did you ever figure out how to fix this? Been having the same issue myself but haven't bothered trying to fix it yet 😅

[tame lantern]

just running as admin worked

[agile pumice]

Augh

[austere creek]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-caveman-jump-blank-gif-26068128

[agile pumice]

It didn't work 💀

I might be getting a different error than you though

Yeah no that's definitely a different error 😭

[keen leaf]

What I browsed: r/kalilinux
What I got: r/linux4noobs

[sharp helm]

anyone know how to fix this?

[keen leaf]

usermod -aG sudo yourname

will make your user of root group

[agile pumice]

Someone broke my WSL install 💀

[ripe stream]

sorry I'll put it back

pls dnt report

[agile pumice]

Thanks, I appreciate it

[ripe stream]

of course fren

[agile pumice]

Oh hey it's working now

[tame lantern]

Linux is pretty cool

[agile pumice]

No way

I don't believe you

macOS reigns supreme, presiding over all like the benevolent, kind, gentle, and good-willed leader that it is

[austere creek]

[ripe stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/893408321808236564.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[tame lantern]

inaccurate, GPT wouldn't use a linux with gnu coreutils

[agile pumice]

It uses Linux at the very least

[tame lantern]

its crazy how much has changed in 3 years

[keen leaf]

Me Linus me "tech expert" me type command into terminal the system tells me not to type. Linux bad.

[tame lantern]

I think it's fair to assume downloading steam wont nuke your desktop environment

[keen leaf]

He did it wrong tho, and ignored warnings not to continue doing what he was doing.

And it still gets bought up in 2025 as "reason not to use linux"

[tame lantern]

he did everything right, but yeah he didn't read the warnings

[keen leaf]

His first mistake was using Manjaro for some bizzare reason. Instead of a gaming distro.

[tame lantern]

your 1st point I agree with, 2nd no

manjaro bad

gaming distro?

almost all linuxes are the same at gaming

[keen leaf]

Like Pop! OS or something

Something that came configured for him out the box

[tame lantern]

he did try Pop!_OS though, and that failed and he didnt know how to fix it so he switched

[keen leaf]

Yes, "I want to use Arch but I don't want to use Arch"

[tame lantern]

yeah I find any arch based distros to be silly

[ripe stream]

"want to use arch?"
no
"i want the prestige of learning difficult distro but i dont want to learn difficult distro"

[tame lantern]

arch is something you use because you want to customize your own system, you want a bleeding edge distro, or you just find the difficulty fun, manjaro and similar distros defeat the whole purpose

[austere creek]

im so fucking glad that the manjaro craze is over

[tame lantern]

I think its cause arch is praised so much that people hear arch and think "I want that"

[austere creek]

surprise surprise it fully breaks bi-weekly

shocking

[tame lantern]

but now theres manjaro but better

[austere creek]

[ripe stream]

"just use debian"
but ewww thats soooo basic

[tame lantern]

we should just listen to discord linux and recommend only ubuntu because ubuntu is the only good distro and theres nothing else

[austere creek]

might as well recommend windows 11

[ripe stream]

discord linux be like

"is mint an ok distro?"
"do not use Mint, we prefer ubuntu
-# both users were banned for the mentioning of M--t, an Unsupported Distro

[ripe stream]

I'm curious how Ubuntu became the universal beginner distro (at least like 4 years ago when i started) considering how most people will be far more comfortable with a Cinnamon type layout lol

[austere creek]

money

[tame lantern]

it has its problems but i really dont get the mint hate

[austere creek]

mint uses x11

[ripe stream]

most people really just don't like GNOME and i totally get it so, why gnome

[ripe stream]

interesting. I had never heard of this whole canonical thing when getting in

[austere creek]

this is a nightmare for anyone who games on multiple monitors

or even a nightmare for anyone who has anything that's like over 140Hz

[ripe stream]

ah, sadge

[tame lantern]

thats very fair

what do yall think of kde neon

ubuntu but plasma and without ubuntu "bloat"

[austere creek]

is very snap based like ubuntu

[ripe stream]

how abt straight up fedora

[austere creek]

but it's fine

[ripe stream]

is it usually plug n play?

I've installed it a couple times and it worked out of the box but not sure abt in general

like is it as stable/reliable for a beginner as Debian is?

[austere creek]

fedora has some

strange hardware problems

sometimes

otherwise fine

perfectly stable

[keen leaf]

I haven't sudo pacman -Syu in like 4 months, am I screwed

[ripe stream]

it really disliked one of my bluetooth mice in particular lol. I figured it was just my laptop hardware

my laptop is oddly hostile to lots of linux things, and there are a bunch of misc patches to fix all these things lol

[keen leaf]

I don't think Arch is all that hard to use tbh, I started using it pretty soon after I started using linux

[agile pumice]

Try it and see

[keen leaf]

The only things that are there are what I put there, and if they break I broke it.

[austere creek]

well you are very different than the majority of people attempting to use it

[agile pumice]

The only kind of tricky thing is AUR packages. But once you learn them, using an AUR helper is reasonable and you never really have to touch them again
-# Until the helper breaks

[austere creek]

you have the strange and wonderful ability to ✨ read ✨

[keen leaf]

Or follow youtube videos

[austere creek]

genuinely though

the arch install guide is an incredibly short maybe like 4 pages you have to read, barely anything

and it explains everything you'd ever need to know about systemd and everything else that could ever break

and people just can't do it

[agile pumice]

YouTube's far inferior to the Arch Wiki 😢

[ripe stream]

searches youtube shorts on installing arch, comes up empty

chatgpt, summarize the archwiki into 3 short steps

[austere creek]

worst timeline

get me out

not only did we get short-form "content" but we also got "ai"

[ripe stream]

too late to explore earth, too early for space, just in time for brainrot

[keen leaf]

left eye, arch install tutorial (x20 speed) right eye, subway surfers.

[keen leaf]

They told us AI would take all the menial work leaving humans to focus on art. Whoops

[austere creek]

literally both of these things are now being shown to just be primarily bad for people

yay

[keen leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/ipad-kid-playing-minecraft-and-watching-youtube-shorts-ipad-kid-thingstoryx-gif-4913695962410316975

[ripe stream]

• left ear old town road 10 hours bass boosted, right ear affirming words furry ASMR

[tame lantern]

ez
step 1: boot installation media
step 2: pacman -S archinstall
step 3: archinstall

[sharp helm]

step 4: go without a DE because archinstall refuses to work properly and install KDE

Had to do something along that line and install KDE myself

Remember having to edit the script because it was trying to install a KDE package that didn't exist anymore

[austere creek]

just don't use archinstall

[agile pumice]

It's really straighforward to just install Arch by following the wiki

[sharp helm]

Yeah or a Youtube tutorial

They hold your hand and all but it just takes longer than using archinstall

[tame lantern]

well how else are you gonna install arch with 3 steps

[ripe stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1103361718270308463.gif?size=64&animated=true&name=why~3

[austere creek]

archinstall is 3 steps initially

[ripe stream]

waiting for the "i didnt use archinstall btw" pickup line

[austere creek]

then millions of steps afterwards because you don't know what you're doing and everything is broken

[keen leaf]

Me when my wife makes the mistake of showing interest

[tame lantern]

any day now..

[austere creek]

archinstall is manjaro but you get good repositories

[next knoll]

meanwhile, me running cachyos @austere creek

https://tenor.com/view/lilnouns-nouns-lil-nouns-dao-noggles-gif-27131043

[sharp helm]

@austere creek i finally installed my fonts

[austere creek]

yay yippee

[keen leaf]

Windows 11 be like

Click something
Fan starts spinning wildly
"Working on it"
After waiting 2 minutes My Documents opens

[agile pumice]

Don't forget! If you open a new tab in File Explorer with dark mode on, it flastbangs you

[keen leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[agile pumice]

Like, it's entirely consistent too

[austere creek]

I wouldn't mind trying Linux on my phone

or at least a phone

I think that'd honestly be something I could easily live with

[opal abyss]

Android is based on a Linux kernel

[agile pumice]

No way 🤯

[austere creek]

you understand what I mean

[keen leaf]

The Windows experience:
Have $3000 laptop
32GB of Ram
16 core CPU
3070Ti GPU

Wait 5 minutes for search to work

[next knoll]

Typical Windows user with issues experience:
Have $3000 laptop
32GB of Ram
16 core CPU
3070Ti GPU

Installs McAfee, Driver Booster, CCleaner, Razer Booster, uTorrent, sets Number of processors and RAM limit in msconfig because some video with barely legible AI english and 13 views titled "13 WAYS TO MAKE YOUR WIDNOWSUS CPU FASTER" told him to
bonus points for disabling windows update

[keen leaf]

Windows 11 comes preinstalled with enough malware already

But davini resolve has enough bugs on windows I don't even want to try it on linux. So for the meantime I am shackled to keeping one windows computer.

[austere creek]

My favorite Windows feature is the explorer just using 100% cpu for like 2 minutes whenever you boot

[tame lantern]

the file explorer also loves to just freeze when I try to do anything

[next knoll]

Ah f* I forgot about toolbars

[next knoll]

That's... also not normal

[austere creek]

It happens on every install I have

[next knoll]

maybe change your install source

[austere creek]

Microsoft themselves lol

[next knoll]

I mean if you're reusing one install image

instead of getting a newer one

explorer @ 100% CPU is usually something that hooks into explorer being screwy

[austere creek]

I always get a new one

the only place it doesn't do it is windows server

[next knoll]

curious

[keen leaf]

My favorite thing about windows 11 is when it decides this particular shutdown is going to take 5 minutes for no reason

[sly cape]

Oh. I thought this was a safe place. I've been using Linux as my desktop exclusively for about 20 years. I haven't even tried windows 7.

But all you talk about is how bad windows is 🫣

[uncut obsidian]

computers are awful

hate them

[opal abyss]

Uh yeah it seems like it

But I swear it isnt always like that

You just have to scroll far enough

[sly cape]

Agreed

[sly cape]

Haha yeah. I was just being funny and also introducing me a bit. Ask me about Linux. I also work as a Linux sysadm. 🙂

[agile pumice]

Oh cool. Maybe you know how to print stuff from Linux 😭 I've gotten it to work for one printer and no other lol

[austere creek]

no one knows how to print stuff period

[tame lantern]

printers are my worst enemy

[agile pumice]

I even have the right drivrs and all that

[sly cape]

Haha I have worked with printers. Not touching that shit again.

I still have nightmares. Full on sweat drenched screaming myself awake.

(ok I might exaggerate a bit)

[next knoll]

@tame lantern @austere creek I find it incredibly funny that going from 2D to 3D printers made no difference to just how much of a bitch they can be

You'd expect it to get worse but somehow it really kinda hasn't

[tame lantern]

I find 3d printers to be easier than 2d printers

I have had more issues printing paper than with my 3d printer

[next knoll]

Well, most people buy higher end 3D printers than 2D printers

compare a cheapo inkjet to an early ender 3 for example

[tame lantern]

even good printers refuse to work sometimes, and an ender 3 is troubleshootable while a 2d printer is less so

[next knoll]

but yeah ever since I've switched to a bambu, definitely easier than 2D printers lol

Oh yeah most 2D printers only allow you to troubleshoot the Clarkson method

https://tenor.com/view/mechanic-hammer-trust-me-im-a-mechanic-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-gif-7525096

[tame lantern]

google wasnt helping me with that one

[next knoll]

My old cannon inkjet combo unit refused to scan if the printer side had an error

which it always did

one day it threw some cryptic error about the print head

after a lot of attempts, I found a "solution" on google

remove the print head cassette and repeatedly slam it back into the slot

It worked.

they weren't exaggerating with the "slam" either

[austere creek]

we do now have a printer

a 2d printer

that just works

no matter what

[sharp helm]

Where can I download the btw version of arch

[austere creek]

21%

[tame lantern]

https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/archlinux/iso/2025.04.01/ my beloved

[next knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/witchcraft-hunchback-of-notre-dame-frollo-animated-gif-19403567

[tame lantern]

and let me guess we genetically modified horses into unicorns

[austere creek]

@next knoll @agile pumice https://isanybodyusingthisprivatekey.com/

[keen leaf]

whatsyourcreditcardnumber.com

[austere creek]

isanybodyusingthiscreditcard.com

[keen leaf]

It's kinda why I don't trust haveibeenpwnd.com either

If I give them my email maybe I will be in the future.

[agile pumice]

At least in that case, it's just an email address

[austere creek]

I have a different email per-site anyways

[keen leaf]

Good opsec

[agile pumice]

Plus, any passwords they handle are only the first 5 characters hashed. So it's not like they get any actual passwords either

[sharp helm]

i think its too late for that

[sharp helm]

.

[austere creek]

shows that cloudflare doesn't really check either lol

[sharp helm]

how many or how little websites do you use

[austere creek]

many

[agile pumice]

Do you own an email server? Or is it something like GMail plus codes or Protonmail/Firefox relay emails?

[austere creek]

I pay for an email server and have an email server

[austere creek]

Firefox in the last few updates is nearing unusable

it is so incredibly bad that I am considering switching browsers for the first time in like a decade

[ripe stream]

this is why I just "use what works for me"

[agile pumice]

How so?

[ripe stream]

i swear no allegiance to one software

i switch whenever i please

[austere creek]

very simply put, it just does not work

[ripe stream]

its very freeing

[agile pumice]

Huh. Like... doesn't launch?

Embrace Cyberpunk; get Chrome

[tame lantern]

I would rather use windows 8.0 than chromium

[austere creek]

Tabs won't load, sometimes I have to create a new tab just for it to do anything. It slows down after having it open for a while, to the point that more and more increasing problems pop up. The recent style updates with the "which tab plays audio" is incredibly distracting and probably more

and if I just literally go back like 4 versions it is PERFECT

[agile pumice]

Boy do I have news for you

[tame lantern]

Does Firefox have like LTS versions?

[austere creek]

oh and the worst part

literally can not open http urls

It forces HTTPS to the point it will error because the SSL certificate is too long, BECAUSE THERE NEVER WAS ONE.

[agile pumice]

Not really. They've got the mainline version but they don't release updates for older versions

[tame lantern]

well that’s silly

[austere creek]

there's firefox esr https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/enterprise/

it works fine as well

[agile pumice]

Oh huh. I stand corrected

[austere creek]

It's the Firefox version that'll ship with the more stable Linux distro's as well

like Debian

[agile pumice]

I take it that won't work for you though?

[tame lantern]

I’ve tried using Debian and Ubuntu but I just really like the AUR

[agile pumice]

Samesies. Also I was tired of disabling Snaps on Ubuntu

[austere creek]

I am more so just complaining for the sake of complaining currently, but the version I am using is what a significant amount of people are also going to get and I know others are having these same issues because they are being posted about pretty frequently.

just unacceptable for it to become like this, it's like a buggy prototype

[agile pumice]

I'm surprised they're releasing it in such a buggy state

Just use Ladybird

[austere creek]

i have like 10 browsers installed at any given time lol

generally I just try something webkit-based first

servo is fun to try just for funsies

but yes, I find myself having to restart Firefox every hour or so and tabs randomly not working.

[agile pumice]

I wonder what's so different about your system compared to mine 🤔 The only time Firefox crashes on me is when I run out of VRAM

I do hate it when I click on a link and then Firefox says to restart to keep using the browser. Then I restart and it doesn't restore the link I just clicked on

[austere creek]

given that every other browser works perfectly it is hard to say for me as well lol

[keen leaf]

I'm getting sick of my windows laptop failing to do shit that a $3000 from 2024 should be able to do. Like open My documents without crashing explorer.exe

don't know what window get's "stuck" doing sometimes thats so difficult your entire system becomes unresponsive and crashes all the time

[austere creek]

that's just what it does

a lot of explorer is still single threaded as well

[keen leaf]

Clearly you need so much processing power to just type things on discord and open my documents

[agile pumice]

This happens on my Windows desktop too. Very consistently, the entire system will just hang because I tried to open File Explorer

[tame lantern]

I love packages with 40 dependencies

[keen leaf]

This is one thing that Windows kinda does better than Linux. A windows app just comes working and doesn't depend on 100 other things that need to be perfectly working and up to date.

Linux just has dependency hell sometimes.

[tame lantern]

yeah, but that's at the cost of a significantly larger install

[keen leaf]

Yeah I should probably clarify, Windows apps also have a bunch of dependencies but they're just on the system already.

Cause Microsoft has full control over what is packaged.

[uncut obsidian]

there's snap and shit like that

[keen leaf]

ew snap

[agile pumice]

Then Flatpak 🤷

[tame lantern]

10x package size

[keen leaf]

I'm a Pacman enjoyer

[tame lantern]

I’m a Paru enjoyer

[uncut obsidian]

can't have your cake and eat it

well you can

[tame lantern]

What if I make my own cake

[uncut obsidian]

you can choose

[austere creek]

I'm a Zypper user and hater

[agile pumice]

But what about APT? It's so advanced. It's got it rigtt in the name 🥺

[tame lantern]

APT and its massive repository

[keen leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-runs-from-apt-rosé-bruno-mars-apt-peter-runs-gif-6445352379233301691

[agile pumice]

I think this might be the first PewDiePie video I've watched 💀
https://youtu.be/pVI_smLgTY0

Actually that's a lie I watched his "learning to draw" videos too

[austere creek]

i uh

i watched his amnesia videos

[keen leaf]

heated linux moment

[austere creek]

i love when big youtubers give attention to amazing things

[austere creek]

getting windows 11 copilot ads through kde was not on my wishlist

[agile pumice]

KDE has ads? Other than the once-a-year optional call to action to donate?

[tame lantern]

well thats off my list now

[austere creek]

it's

it's a notification from my phone

goofballs

https://kdeconnect.kde.org/

[agile pumice]

Ah, that makes more sense

Is the presentation laser pointer thingy fixed yet?

It's a cool thing but just showed the circle on a solid black background instead of compositing properly

[austere creek]

has always worked for me

how pretty

[agile pumice]

Huh

To be fair, I think I've only tried it on Windows and GNOME

[austere creek]

gnome has given me nightmares since as long as I can remember

KDE was the first one to go full on Wayland with proper implementations and such

that might've been a part of it

[agile pumice]

This is so cursed lmao
https://youtu.be/p2bbJ4ViZSI

[next knoll]

I hate gnome with a passion

[keen leaf]

2004 Mac ah looking desktop environment

[next knoll]

Honestly it's not the visuals, it's the general slowness and excessive bugginess

and the general UX is tragic

[sharp helm]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[tame lantern]

I like plasma

[austere creek]

I like nothing but I especially dislike Gnome

[tame lantern]

I think the windows desktop environment is my least favorite

no customizability and its a mess of legacy menus and new ones

[austere creek]

Gnome genuinely does take the cake for me in being the worst

and I honestly feel like I might take Windows 7 over my current Plasma setup

[agile pumice]

What slowness and bugginess? Do you have an example off the top of your head?

[keen leaf]

I don't like how I have stuff about the Diddy trial in my start menu.

[keen leaf]

Also my favourite thing about Windows is when it just restarts in the middle of me editing a video

[tame lantern]

I have made the mistake of not updating arch for a month and now have just gotten -Syu to work after an hour

I love this os

[keen leaf]

I have not turned on my arch laptop in over 6 months

[tame lantern]

good luck

[next knoll]

yikes

[next knoll]

mega yikes

[lusty marsh]

so I was forced to go to a psychologist and we had to draw a tree and I uh

funny

[austere creek]

derek is still alive

[lusty marsh]

yeaj

[lusty marsh]

the feeling when

i'll have physical access to the pi only in the evening

ughhh.........

[austere creek]

unbased non-reboot now user

[sly cape]

I have a pi at my cabin. About 2 hours by car. Always fun when it won't go back online.

[odd moss]

weird question, thought it was on topic - on Windows I had a mod that could adjust system volume when scrolling over the taskbar. I have Fedora right now as my first "daily" system, and it's missing.

Well... sort of missing - I can scroll on the volume task icon and that does exactly what I want, I just want that to happen all across the free space in the taskbar

[agile pumice]

Which Fedora spin? GNOME?

[odd moss]

Nobara with KDE, sorry

[austere creek]

why nobara

[agile pumice]

You could conceivably make a transparent widget that changes the volume on mouse scroll and fill the empty space with them. I'm not familiar enough with QML to know if there's a way to hook into mouse events outside a widget's area though

[agile pumice]

It has better defaults for those wanting to play games and use Windows apps, it's not necessarily a bad choice IMO 🤷

[austere creek]

no I am just interested in why Vitroid suddenly swapped to Nobara

as he was recommended just plain ol Fedora and such

[odd moss]

few google searches and asking elsewhere

so far I'm happy with it, but again... context window is 0

well... now 1

[austere creek]

it's basically just adding some preinstalled drivers and such on top of fedora which otherwise may be a bit annoying to install with something like nvidia

[odd moss]

yeah, I have a 1050 Ti which would've been a bigger pain to deal with from what I've heard

[agile pumice]

Pretty sure it also comes with WINE installed?

[austere creek]

well like you'd just install steam using a normal way and that'd come with proton, which is all you'd need

[odd moss]

I haven't had the need to run windows apps yet, but I've only had it for like a week with sparse use

[agile pumice]

You still need a WINE prefix for running Windows apps normally though, yeah? I don't think you can run Windows installers through Proton in Steam?

[austere creek]

you can

it's annoying though

[agile pumice]

Huh

Fair

[austere creek]

but you can easily find tutorials for that as well just by searching "how to install pirated thing" lol

[agile pumice]

I've been skipping WINE and using Bottles to manage Windows apps, it's been pretty convenient

Oh I see, you just add the setup.exe as a non-Steam game, then add the actual program to Steam after it's installed 💀

[austere creek]

it seems to be annoying but there are just official instructions that list the packages you need to install and I'd assume that's it, but it is definitely a bit more trouble than you'd probably like to go through lol

[agile pumice]

It's certainly more trouble than just installing Nobara

[austere creek]

dreadful nvidia

[agile pumice]

I've actually had 0 issues with NVidia drivers so far, I recently switched over my desktop to Linux as well

I was a little worried since my CPU doesn't have integrated graphics, but it all just... worked 🤷

[austere creek]

i have seen all the pains

especially with wayland

like these are mostly solved problems with nvidia now

but it took a long time to get there with no help from nvidia themselves (unless you have an enterprise card of course!!!)

meanwhile AMD is experimenting making their own Wayland software and all, having a good time

[odd moss]

back to my awfully specific volume adjustments needs

[austere creek]

your volume adjustment needs would be my nightmare

[odd moss]

I thought I'd hate it at first too, but it's grown on me very quickly

[austere creek]

I don't think KDE's taskbar allows for things on the empty section so you'd maybe have to add an empty widget

you could also look for alternate taskbars if you wanted

[agile pumice]

^

[odd moss]

I did not know that was an option

[austere creek]

anything is

[agile pumice]

Well... with desktop environments you're usually a lot more limited

You're pretty much limited to custom widgets and themes on KDE

Which is certainly enough for basically anyone, but I wouldn't call it being able to do "anything"

[austere creek]

you can absolutely install alternate taskbars and such in KDE

[odd moss]

hmm

[agile pumice]

Would you just remove all KDE panels then?

[odd moss]

I'll have to look this up tomorrow

[agile pumice]

You'd have to do some work to get the themeing to look right in the new taskbar, right?

[austere creek]

there were some plasma oriented ones for a while

[agile pumice]

I guess if there are any QT taskbars, those should just work pretty well with whatever theme you throw at it

[austere creek]

like I think latte and cairo are still around

[agile pumice]

Can't find Cairo, I only see a Windows shell

[austere creek]

you can also look through plasma addons

[agile pumice]

But yeah Latte seems to be around
https://github.com/KDE/latte-dock

[austere creek]

oh great

[agile pumice]

It looks like Latte's the only taskbar around

[austere creek]

https://www.glx-dock.org/

[agile pumice]

Oh it's because I was searching Cairo Taskbar instead of Cairo Dock 💀

[austere creek]

given this is like a just sketchy config override https://github.com/rikimaru0345/org.kde.plasma.taskmanager/tree/main

makes me think this is just a feature they left out just because

also makes me wonder if anyone has ever opened a PR for it

[agile pumice]

Looks like it's pretty up-to-date too, so it shouldn't break anything should you try that

[austere creek]

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/issues/?sort=created_date&state=opened&search=scroll&first_page_size=20

okay so there's like

multiple repositories over the years of people adding this feature by doing an override

but not once did someone actually suggest to add it?

[austere creek]

was forced to switch to firefox esr

[agile pumice]

How come?

[austere creek]

normal firefox won't load any tabs when I open it 9/10 times

well, not anything. only the built in about: pages

no extensions, no pages, not the toolbar

been the case since the last update, figured this'd be a bigger deal and that it'd be updated to be fixed relatively quickly

but I suppose not

[agile pumice]

Huh. Even restarting in safe mode on a new profile?

Actually I don't know if you can access safe mode without a crash or the about:profiles page

That's weird

[austere creek]

yup, it doesn't log anything either

it just hangs up entirely, if I close it without killing it it'll stay open in the background doing nothing as well

[agile pumice]

Just switch to W3M 😎

I assume removing the profile folder doesn't work?

[austere creek]

nice thing about firefox esr is that they haven't yet thrown all the AI garbage that makes me want to not exist in yet

[agile pumice]

what, you don't want the giant Microsoft Copilot button replacing where the 3 dots menu used to be?

[austere creek]

that and I don't want Firefox to reinforce HTTPS when I say I don't want HTTPS!

I can finally enjoy going to my wonderful NAS's webpages again without it having a stroke and me having to open a second browser

[agile pumice]

Huh. I get a warning, but there's always been an option to proceed whenever I see it

Just under the Advanced Options thing

[austere creek]

no it's like broken

it got the idea that it should reinforce HSTS and then started assuming that it will always be receiving a SSL record

so then when I browse to something http it acts like it isn't http and just breaks

[agile pumice]

Oh wow

That's impressive 😅

[keen leaf]

Surprised Arch hasn't changed in 6 months

Oh wait it literally changes everything lol

[keen leaf]

God I fucking hate linux sometimes

All I want to do is make a win10 installation usb for my wife and it complains every step. I've been trying for 3 hours

right now its complaining it can't mount the ventoy USB

sudo mount -t exfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt 1 ↵
mount: /mnt: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'.

"An error occurred while accessing 'Ventoy', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sdb1 at /run/media/l0dest4r/Ventoy: Filesystem type exfat not configured in kernel."

This takes 30 seconds on windows

[austere creek]

you are on arch

the distro where you are expected to install everything you need yourself

this is entirely your own doing and your own demise about something you are not yet familiar with

[keen leaf]

I have the exfat thingy tho

[austere creek]

if you already have exfat utils and such installed

reboot

or exfatprogs

whatever it is called nowadays

as they provide kernel modules, and you're not going to be hot-reloading those

kernel 5.7 or something already includes exfat nowadays as well I think

[keen leaf]

wtf this actually fixed it

Now why did no google result or wiki result just say "reboot"

and instad led me down hours of rabbit holes

[next knoll]

I suppose it's kind of assumed when you're doing shit with kernel modules

[night matrix]

HELLO I AM NOW OFFICIALLY A LINUX GUY

It's crazy how we just take drivers for granted

[austere creek]

that's how it should be

[night matrix]

Nah it's nice to feel the pain of the installation to understand just how lucky you are

[odd moss]

what are you on, and what made you switch?

[night matrix]

Arch Linux w/ Hyprland

I hated windows

[odd moss]

interesting

[night matrix]

It's really nice I must say

[agile pumice]

Are you using a preconfigured Hyprland config? Or did you set it all up from scratch?

[night matrix]

I am setting it up... Sloooooowly

[agile pumice]

Oh boy 😅

There's just so much to do to get from the default Hyprland config to a working DE lol

[tame lantern]

The closest I have ever seen to hyprland being a DE is the ML4W dotfiles which I’m sure the creator has put like hundreds of hours into

Hyprland can’t really be made into a DE that’s not the point of it

[agile pumice]

?

Oh I don't mean desktop environment as in "everything's done through Hyprland", I mean it as in "works like a normal OS"

Especially if you want the styling consistent throughout

[tame lantern]

but hyprland doesn’t work like a normal OS…

[agile pumice]

What do you mean?

[tame lantern]

Here’s 1 example, in a normal OS you typically have a centralized area to change settings and everything of that sort, but in a hyprland arch install you gotta edit the hypr conf and change audio stuff in pipewire config and everything is all over the place

it’s not normal in that it’s all completely manual and it doesn’t have the features and stuff of a typical OS unless you find ways to add it yourself

[agile pumice]

That's not really what I meant. I was moreso talking about stuff like a status bar, search/run menu, desktop widgets, etc.

Manual setup is something that comes with any bare compositor that I know of 🤷

[night matrix]

Sure you can add that
Takes hours of work though

BUT

The style is worth it

The run menu is easy to add

[agile pumice]

Which one are you using?

[night matrix]

Um it's called

Uh

Wait

Starts with an f

One sec

LMAO

[agile pumice]

Gotta love how every component has its own slightly different way to cotfigure everything

[night matrix]

Fuzzel

[night matrix]

Yea but I love opening configs in nvchad nvim

[agile pumice]

I forget. What does nvchad change?

[night matrix]

Cheatsheet, readability, good looking overall

[agile pumice]

How are you liking it? I think I ended up going with rofi when I set up Hyprland

[agile pumice]

Oh like a hotkey list?

[night matrix]

Just go to the hyprconfig and set it

[night matrix]

Yep

[agile pumice]

Wdym?

[night matrix]

Nvim is unironically going to become my editor of choice

[agile pumice]

I like it a lot. Never tried the forks, but regular Neovim is very nice IMO

It destroyed my ability to do anything quickly in VSCode though

[night matrix]

Go to the Hyprland config file and set fuzzel as $menu

[night matrix]

lel

[agile pumice]

No I was asking about your opinion on fuzzel

I don't use Hyprland anymore

[night matrix]

Oh I read LINKING lmao

[agile pumice]

Ohhh lmao

[night matrix]

It's light

Quick

I like it

Also the new battery consumption of my PC is ridiculously low

[agile pumice]

lol nice

[night matrix]

Windows ate the battery so much faster

[agile pumice]

Huh apparently you can use Emacs as a runner

[night matrix]

Bleg

[agile pumice]

I have to use Windows for work, and it's so much slower even on much better hardware

[night matrix]

The only issue is that I have no access to my email or accounts

[agile pumice]

Why not?

[night matrix]

Two things

I'm lazy
And connecting to my email will cause Microsoft to send a verification message to my MOTHER

It's time I changed that

[agile pumice]

Oh lol

Thunderbird is a nice email client from what I've heard

[night matrix]

Yeah I've heard

But

I want to make sure I find something that blends in with the aesthetic

[agile pumice]

I use Evolution, its UI is more utilitarian though

[agile pumice]

You can theme it using CSS, IIRC

[night matrix]

Also hypr is just fuckin hilarious sometimes

[agile pumice]

Aw it didn't set you up with one of the anime wallpapers 😢

[night matrix]

Actually yes

But not all the time

[agile pumice]

It rotates?

[night matrix]

It cycles

Yep

[agile pumice]

Ah gotcha

[night matrix]

On every boot

[agile pumice]

I had mine set to switch between random photos of my dog so I basically never saw the default wallpapers after setting it up lol

[night matrix]

Lel

The default anime wallpaper is actually really nice

[agile pumice]

Yeah it is

[night matrix]

Arch is an experience lmao

I never thought I had to INSTALL SOUND

Or a TERMINAL

But it feels so good

And somehow really smooth

[agile pumice]

That's not necessarily because of Arch -- most distros run significantly better than Windows

[night matrix]

Well sure

Actually

Pop was clunky

Didn't feel good

[agile pumice]

Yeah. And there are so many choices too 😅

[agile pumice]

Like, stuttery?

[night matrix]

Yep

[agile pumice]

Huh

[night matrix]

Idk

Driver issues

GNOME shit

Unsure

[austere creek]

wasn't vaxny the like *phobe that got removed from the dev team

[agile pumice]

Oh could just be GNOME lol

[night matrix]

Vaxry is the lead hypr dev tho

[austere creek]

oh great

[night matrix]

Well I like the product, will just ignore the people behind

[night matrix]

When did that happen
And from what dev team

[agile pumice]

I know someone who's personal friends with them, and that person vouches for Vaxry's character and says that whele thing was blown out of proportion. So I don't really know what to think 😅

[night matrix]

I mean

They seem nice enough

YO FLYNN YOU'RE IN THE GODOT SERVER

[austere creek]

that's kind of the problem I remember too

huge articles about how vaxry is like horrible, and then every comment saying this isn't true

[night matrix]

Guh

[agile pumice]

It was a one-off incident where they changed the server nickname of someone on Discord from normal pronouns to who/cares, right? Something like that?

[night matrix]

Sounds like personal beef

[agile pumice]

lol yeah
I don't post often there though since everyone's really bad at asking questions. Like, consistently so much worse than here

[night matrix]

Lmao

I make sure to have the clearest questions there

[austere creek]

one of those places where you then do post a good question with no secrets and everyone will assume you are just being silly

[night matrix]

Quite frankly

People are really nice

Over there

[agile pumice]

They'll post a screenshot of the game and say "how do I fix this" with nothing else

[austere creek]

godot is nice

[night matrix]

They're not too mean

[night matrix]

It really is

It's the Arch of game engines

Linux*

[agile pumice]

Yeah the people that know the engine are nice enough, and no one's posting bad questions out of malice or anything. It just got tiring playing 20 questions every time someone wanted to get help

[night matrix]

Ya

[austere creek]

i am good at handling repetitiveness

[night matrix]

"chat how does I bind RX"

[austere creek]

did you read the page i sent you 5 minutes ago

"yes"

did you skip over the huge red warning

"no"

[night matrix]

Lmao

[austere creek]

you should do these things copies the warning

[night matrix]

Exactly

[austere creek]

"wow it works!"

[agile pumice]

No that's a fine question, if not easily googleable. It's the "my drone doesn't work" with no details

[night matrix]

[night matrix]

That one's a classic

OH

And that guy who tested his runaway drone indoors

Epico

[austere creek]

my drone doesn't work what should i do

[night matrix]

LMAO

proceeds to accidentally rub the iron over all sensitive electronics