Getting a fpv drone

[spring copper]

I've never had a FPV drone, and I'm looking to get one. I've seen the DJI FPV and Avata and found some pretty good deals on them. I've heard that I should get a sim on my PC to learn about it first, but I'm assuming I need a remote and headset, so should I get an on-deal DJI FPV bundle with a controller,headset, and drone? If so, should I go for Fpv, Avata, or neither?

[ebon flax]

Neither. Start with a radio and velocidrone (the best sim) for practice. The radio plugs into your PC to use the sim. From there, get a mobula 7 to get airborne and keep practicing. You'll need goggles, I like the DJI v2 goggles, I've added an analog module to mine to fly whoops. When it's time for something bigger, build your own 5". Fpv involves a lot of crashing and repairing. It's damn near impossible to fix dji stuff.

I use DJI video transmitters on my bigger quads.

The dji fpv and avata are best used as filmmaking tools by experienced pilots.

[spring copper]

I found a person selling an avata with the fly smart combo with the dji v2 goggles and the v2 motion controller for 300

it could be a scam but they say its because the drone is bounded to an acc and can't work

but the deal still seems worth it for the controller and googles

[ebon flax]

That seems sus.

Not sure if you can get locked out of the goggles if they're bound to a dif account.

You don't want a DJI radio (controller)

You want something that'll use the elrs protocol.

[spring copper]

Do you have any recommendations for radios/controllers ? I'm willing to go all out being I can't crash it.

[feral cipher]

then you can basically forget about buying anything

because you will crash

[spring copper]

not an controller

but I wouldn't put it past me

[feral cipher]

how would you crash anything other than the thing that's flying a hundred km/h

[spring copper]

That was my reasoning of saying i'm willing to go all out

[feral cipher]

you can't really crash a radio, that doesn't make much sense

alright

[spring copper]

i'm sorry if i worded it incorrectly

[feral cipher]

Radiomaster has a lot of good radios... if you're ok with going all out, the Boxer Max is a great option

[spring copper]

this one?https://www.radiomasterrc.com/products/boxer-max-radio-controller-m2

[feral cipher]

yeah

[ebon flax]

I've been looking at the boxer as an upgrade to mine. The tx16s is also recommended by a lot of folks, but is pretty big.

[spring copper]

alright thank you

[ebon flax]

The boxer comes with elrs built in. Likely the only protocol you'll use.

[spring copper]

do elrs controllers connect to most drones?

[ebon flax]

They connect to all the good drones. 😉

Seriously though, the radio receiver is a postage stamp sized chip that gets soldered to your drone. So almost any drone can be made to fly with elrs.

[spring copper]

oh also I really wanted to ask someone this. Do good googles connect to most drones?

[ebon flax]

Check this article out. https://oscarliang.com/fpv-shopping-list/

There's a few digital video transmission systems.

[spring copper]

I actually remember using that site but for different reasons. I thought i was gonna build my own but realised that was too much for me

[ebon flax]

Goggles will only work within their ecosystem. I've only used DJI goggles.

Josh bardwell has a kit. That's what I started with. There's YouTube videos that walk you through the process.

[spring copper]

i gave up on that

[ebon flax]

You really want to build it yourself. The learning curve is steep. But you will crash and break it. If you built it, you'll know how to fix it.

Tiny whoops come prebuilt and are relatively cheap. Might be a good starting point for you.

[spring copper]

A prebuild drone actually seems like a really good idea

[spring copper]

Is there anyway I should pick a prebuilt? I'm mainly just seeing and picking from looks.

I really like the looks of the defender 25 4s hd on shop.iflight.com

[feral cipher]

apart from being fully encased in pointless plastic (which seems to be more and more of a trend that I'm not a fan of), it's filled with proprietary crap... for all I know the whole Defender series is

what do you want to use said done for? Freestyle, racing, long range, cinematic, proximity cinematic, etc..? With a GoPro on top or not?

[spring copper]

no go pro Freestyle/racing

I'd like long range but don't have need for it

[feral cipher]

freestyle and racing in equal measure, or one over the other?

[spring copper]

by racing do you mean against others?

[feral cipher]

racing just as "flying timed laps in a track with gates, flags, cubes, etc..."

doesn't need to be against other people

[spring copper]

my fault

[feral cipher]

nothing wrong 😅

[spring copper]

I'd like to fly my drone all around exploring places and with highspeed although that may be my downfall

I mostly just want to do random stuff with it

[feral cipher]

so freestyle it is

[spring copper]

yeah

[feral cipher]

do you want to use the DJI digital FPV system?

[spring copper]

whats that?

their googles?

[feral cipher]

and their video transmitters

[spring copper]

honestly idk

I don't know all this stuff and whats good or not

it really sounds like ya'll are speaking gibberish to me. I feel very uneducated but ig thats how it is learning something new.

[feral cipher]

please just ask if yoyou don't understand something

let me write a quick explanation into the whole video system thing, sec

[spring copper]

alright

sorry I meant to send that to a friend in dms

[feral cipher]

• There are two main ways to transmit video - analog and digital:

  • Analog is basically how old TV worked, along with all the noise artifacts, as it's all caried as an analog signal that is prone to showing even small interference
  • Digital is like streaming video from YouTube. The video frames get chopped into smaller parts, and those get sent as 1's and 0's. The video feed is thus much clearer and higher resolution, but all of the processing tends to add a bit of latency

• Analog is just analog. Any analog goggles can "connect" to any VTX (video transmitter, the thing on the drone that takes in video from the camera and transmits it out). "Connect" isn't really the correct term, you just set them to the same frequency as the VTX is transmitting on, it's only a one-sided system where the VTX blindly sends the video out on a specific frequency and anyone can tune into it

• Digital systems mostly fall under three major manufacturers, and those in two separate ways of transmitting:

  • DJI had their digital system first, at least in a state usable for high-performance FPV flight. They have improved on it a lot since, the O3 (occusync 3) system now offers the best possible video and onboard recording. They compress the video, and the goggles and VTX constantly talk to each other to re-transmit lost pieces of the video feed, most degradation you'll see is lower bitrate and further increased latency. As the goggles need to communicate, they need a connection step before you see anything
  • Caddx has the Walksnail digital system, which is much newer than DJI's. It isn't as good as the O3 video, but they offer much smaller and lighter VTXs for small builds. The video signal degrades much like DJI, as well as the connection stuff
  • DiviMath has the HDZero system. It doesn't compress the video, and it gets sent as is. The goggles don't need to follow the connection process, but the video does show much more degradation in the form of very obvious colored pixels

[spring copper]

so you'd recommend dji?

you made it seem best

[feral cipher]

in terms of video quality that is

in terms of cost and weight, Walksnail is better. in terms of cost, weight and latency, HDZero is better

[spring copper]

I'm gonna try and find used dji goggles

dji googgles 2 awaken is their best right?

[chilly kettle]

DJI doesn't work well for smaller drones (e.g whoops although it is possible), and can be more expensive (depending on what you get though)

[spring copper]

I planned to buy an used dji goggle

[ebon flax]

Goggles V2 let you add an analog module. That's the path I chose, can fly analog and DJI on the same goggles.

[chilly kettle]

Goggles X let you do analog

more expensive though

HDZero have it built in if I remember correctly

though I might be wrong about that

don't quote me on that

Walksnail sells 1s VTXs so concievably you wouldn't need analog

[ornate flame]

Tx16 is big and heavy yes, but I absolutely love the color touchscreen and the fact it has many switches

The big size isn't really a problem for me, as I have big hands but the weight is definitely something you will notice if you don't have something to hold it.

[fervent root]

get the beta fpv Cetus pro

[feral cipher]

absolutely not

the kit version can't even run Betaflight

and comes with questionable goggles and a crappy radio

the drone itself is either crap when it doesn't run Betaflight, and just kinda meh when it does

[ebon flax]

I'm so curious to try one out. Guess it's a reason to find other people to meetup with. For now ive been optimizing for being able to put all my gear in a pack for travel.

[spring copper]

I can't tell the difference from the integra and the dji goggles 2

[ebon flax]

The boxer seems like a good compromise here.

[ebon flax]

Goggles V2 are different from goggles 2. They really fucked up their naming plan.

[spring copper]

can you send me pictures

they look the same from the pictures i've seen

I think they have to be the same goggles

https://www.dji.com/goggles-integra

these

I finally figured it out I've been running around searching for an awaken when its been the integra

[ebon flax]

Looks like the Integra have remote id built in and goggles 2 don't. If you're flying homebrew fpv, that shouldn't matter. If flying a DJI drone, goggles 2 require your phone to be plugged in to fly.

[spring copper]

which do you think is best?

i've assumed integra is better because I've found a few websites claiming it

[ebon flax]

https://oscarliang.com/dji-goggles-integra/

Someone much smarter than me made a writeup. Non removable antennas and integrated battery would be deal breakers for me. Haven't actually used any DJI goggles other than the V2, so take all this with a grain of salt.

[spring copper]

Ima just go for the integra since its cheaper

its a shame I can't find any used for sale though

do you know of any website that allows you to pick parts and see compatibility kinda like pcpartpicker but for drones

[ebon flax]

Nope. Haven't heard of anything like that. Folks here are usually quick to respond to specific questions.

[spring copper]

I actually found one

its called quadpartpicker

you just enter or search for all the parts you want and it can calculate the price and i think fuctionality

[spring copper]

Is this the one you are refering to?https://www.ebay.com/itm/204423350594?hash=item2f9894c942:g:ArsAAOSweqFj2tKO&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8PjReVymQzDREAtcIL%2B4azGvewFKPN8eHc5jkSpQn5u1T1iLwLhYhI80%2FgiqolSZT0%2B6L4NjBn%2BIasy6LK08QP1pgK9rae2QlDKRZN7UnqzFZa%2BhwaWiknr4lW2sCA7dIb8DSoifRe6ZCbmCI0e3tP92ObxbAFCaP0%2B8KcjCkepd3Ao2W5nIzAVjkmC%2FNTEKs7Unrg3a%2F5wGC9pakgo%2BVEI8GXqEQ%2F94TmtVj2zmX%2FGo1sFd72k7khtxTcLrkaA449hBggMvMHdfSgCw5rIQ42iEk8qmqgSmORUB6gHD%2FtxHA2CjSWZfkV9XxU8Kiusd3w%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7i-4rb5Yg

or maybe this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/195706616504?hash=item2d9105fab8:g:ArsAAOSweqFj2tKO&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8KHYARLBNF78s5GXC2C1FMlSyVTM1ZMrKb%2B9Ao8hYTMBWe7lSExai0VuEy%2Bi%2B%2BNxoZRGyL6QU7MYluOtLvSBA9MGpw%2B2Cz2G2l2TIeX9eZnDYIXTYvhgW7TNrEsEKZ8B1rry7AF2Bj1jMqeIUi2NMriQz6opML%2B7hAYJqd5yna9W9FeCzrPdVzMbJ9XfOC9SnEiyj0n5DDWUO65xy6QVJfi6uYjYayZr5NCnFSoAo8D%2BpQUmCfiKR3iqnl6SpeS6rNxYM93YxuY5bN3BKj5jThNfGWFT%2FGvdZ6uGT6prPQmZO9IcUQmuF59l3Xms2ApmSg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7i-4rb5Yg

[chilly kettle]

See if you can find a race or something happening near you

That's how I got to try it

I went to icestorm (multi-gp) and they had some out, although I doubt that'd be the same at all races

[ebon flax]

@spring copper, that's the radio, but you want the elrs version.

[spring copper]

oh ok

I've been having a hard time understanding the differences in the versions

[chilly kettle]

You don't have to compete FYI, I just went to watch

[spring copper]

that sounds fun

[chilly kettle]

They are insanely fast

[spring copper]

The 100 mile per hour drones?

[chilly kettle]

part of it was kinda funny, because when we got there, they had like a school thing going

so students did like slow circles or something for the race

just doing a circle was difficult (and I mean, it is, if you don't have experience) and then they moved on to the actual pilots

and it just went from 0 to 100

I have dvr somewhere

[spring copper]

I would love one of those fast drones

I would probably crash it though

[chilly kettle]

There's proximo

oh

still sending

but he's placed 3rd if I recall correctly internationally

in multigp

[chilly kettle]

They can go 100 mph, but they were indoors for this one

they did it at an ice rink

so slower

but still looked fast

oh

come on discord

properly embed

[spring copper]

I need to find one of them

does anyone think its acceptable to get a fast sorta expensive drone after using velocidrone for over 40 hours ( 40 hours of playing)

[chilly kettle]

Yes

tbh I only have 12 hours in a sim

and not all of that was gotten before I got a drone

[spring copper]

i've been told i need experience in a sim then a cheaper fpv drone then after mastering that you can get a expensive one

[chilly kettle]

well

I mean

you are going to crash

period

whether or not you have sim experience

I'd say get a 5" now

but I also am not the most experienced person

[spring copper]

whats that?

[chilly kettle]

size

[spring copper]

inches?

[chilly kettle]

yeah

it's the size of the prop

[ebon flax]

https://youtu.be/t41eQUQ4XeU?si=Cw7--XGKZIVkN54S

[chilly kettle]

but it's generally how drones are catagorized

[ebon flax]

Racing is about high speed turns and precision, not flat out speed.

[chilly kettle]

it feels sped up

[spring copper]

dang that almost looks uncontrollably fast

[ebon flax]

It's hard for me to track what the pro racers are doing.

[spring copper]

flying backwords through stuff looked super cool though

[chilly kettle]

getting closer

lol

here we go

uploading to discord

this is some dvr I captured at Ice Storm

It's not properly trimmed, so you might have to skip through some

oh, it's at like 1:50

oh, I forgot this is the one with the crash XD

[spring copper]

my cockiness is leading me to believe I could learn to do that after a month

[chilly kettle]

You probably could

but not that well

I mean if it was that easy he wouldn't be 3rd in the world right?

[spring copper]

def not

the flying style is amazing though

[chilly kettle]

just FYI you break a lot whilst racing

more than freestyle

so more expensive

[ebon flax]

Buy that radio and velocidrone. Prepare to be humbled. I had similar thoughts, "that seems cool, I bet I can do it". Then I tried to fly. And damn. This shit is so hard. Then you crash and it's time for repairs.

[ebon flax]

Good recovery on that crash. Why is your video so bad?

[chilly kettle]

This isn't my racing

[spring copper]

Yea I know very well ima get that controller and realize its alot harder than it looks

[chilly kettle]

sorry if I made it seem like it was

DVR is bad because my analog goggles ~are bad have bad dvr

lol

[ebon flax]

Oh, you were watching the race and recording on your goggles. That makes more sense.

[spring copper]

do i need the goggles for velocidrone?

[ebon flax]

Nope. I never use mine with the sim.

[chilly kettle]

Yeah

I'd be terrible if I tried to race

[ebon flax]

Racing whoops around my house is very fun. I'd love to try a race sometime.

[chilly kettle]

Are you in the US?

actually this should maybe work either way

https://www.multigp.com/chapters/chapter-map/

[ebon flax]

Cool, thanks. Looks like there's a chapter near me.

[spring copper]

is this a good drone?https://www.getfpv.com/ready-to-fly-quadcopters/micro-ready-to-fly/geprc-darkstar20-cinewhoop-wtfpv-no-fpv-system.html

i sent the one without the camera

[chilly kettle]

uhh

yesn't

probably a good cinewhoop

but you don't want that for freestyle

cinewhoops are not meant for flying for fun

or racing

[spring copper]

what are they for?

also i'm starting to realise after the price of my rc and goggles i'm barely gonna have money for a drone

[chilly kettle]

you could get a regular whoop

#1144567226670788639 message

[chilly kettle]

like slowly going around things

think like uhh real-estate

and other indoors, sorta cinemotagraphic things

[spring copper]

that would be a good starter drone but idk if thats what i'm looking for

[chilly kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgS54fqKxf0

that is what it's for pretty much

A whoop would be a good start drone

It's got guards and stuff

harder to break

not as fast though

[ebon flax]

Get a mobula 7. You can learn without breaking as many things. And the bar for entry is much lower.

Make sure your goggles can handle analog.

[chilly kettle]

You can get digital mobulas

or at least

HDZero and walksnail

Oh I guess there's a dji one

probably not as good though

[spring copper]

whats the dji one

[chilly kettle]

oh it's a movula 8

it's also expensive jeez

ah, cause they stuck the o3 air unit in it

[spring copper]

how much

[chilly kettle]

https://www.racedayquads.com/products/happymodel-bnf-mobula8-1-2s-hd-85mm-w-dji-o3-air-unit-micro-cam-elrs-2-4ghz?keyword=mobula 7 dji

https://www.racedayquads.com/products/happymodel-bnf-mobula8-hd-85mm-without-dji-o3-air-unit-elrs-2-4ghz?keyword=mobula 7 dji

[spring copper]

yea

that is expensive

[chilly kettle]

that one doesn't have the vtx

[spring copper]

the others ones seemed better and are cheaper

i'm going to sleep for the night

goodnight

[chilly kettle]

https://www.racedayquads.com/products/happymodel-bnf-1s-mobula-7-whoop-choose-version?keyword=mobula 7

[ornate flame]

you gotta like stop thinking its a good drone lmfao

you havent even flown it

and u cant even get it paired

and ur brand new to the hobby

[spring copper]

is the eachine wizard x220 fpv good?

[feral cipher]

Absolutely fucking not... It's actually a fire hazard

[spring copper]

oh alright

I saw its fast and a good price

makes sense tbh

[feral cipher]

A VW beetle will go fast if you strap a barely functional rocket engine on it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Just because it goes fast doesn't make it good

[spring copper]

i found a few videos reviewing it( They made it seem good)

But ima go look for something else

do you know if rotor riot is good?

[ornate flame]

The modern rotor riot stuff is fine but it’s hella overpriced

[spring copper]

do you know any just good overall fpv drones ? I'm spending alot on the controller and goggles so I'll probably buy it months down the line with a decent amount of volocidrone experience.

[ornate flame]

Digital?

Or analog

[spring copper]

Digital

[ornate flame]

What type

[spring copper]

freestyle

[ornate flame]

No I mean what type of digital

Dji, walksnail or hdzero

[spring copper]

i'm gonna have the integra dji goggles and the boxer max from radio master so really anything thats functional with those

[ornate flame]

Ok so dji

I’d say grab a nazgul5 hd 6s elrs

Or a geprec mk5 hd 6s elrs

[spring copper]

sorry I don't know much of this stuff yet

[ornate flame]

No worries

That’s why we are here

[spring copper]

this ?https://shop.iflight.com/Nazgul5-V3-6S-HD-Pro1891

[ornate flame]

Yea

Or the wasp version for cheaper

[spring copper]

this one?https://geprc.com/product/geprc-mark5-hd-dji-air-unit-fpv-drone/

[ornate flame]

Yep

[spring copper]

do you know if i need elrs 2.5g or 915m?

[ornate flame]

2.4

[spring copper]

alright thank you

oh also does power version matter?

[ornate flame]

hell no

[spring copper]

Yea I figured out that wasn't a good choice

I had someone give me the same response

[ornate flame]

price is good yeah, to recieve shit hardware

[spring copper]

I really do appreciate all the education I've been getting here I would have most likely bought it if it wasn't for ya'll

[ornate flame]

I bought the X220S in 2017. It flew

Pretty horrible tho

But it did fly

[spring copper]

why all is the dji aveta and fpv not worth it

I've been told its good for professionals but not just for freestyle

also that it isn't good to repair

[ornate flame]

You're right

Horrible at high speeds and sharp fast turns

It's not made for freestyle so don't try to freestyle with it. Thats not the purpose of the Avata

[spring copper]

Yea I've just been super tempted on dji ig just because of the brand behind it

buying from iflight and all that has been making me skeptical

I had found a used dji inspire the other day for 500$

https://geprc.com/product/geprc-mark5-hd-dji-air-unit-fpv-drone/ seems pretty good though

I'd love to build my own but I heard its more expensive

[ornate flame]

Get 6s

[ornate flame]

Eh you can build for cheaper if u wanted

[spring copper]

I think it would just be best to get this

i'm ahead of myself by even looking for a drone rn

[ornate flame]

Dji is ehh, repairing is shit and once you join their system it's hard to leave, just like with Apple

[spring copper]

I could imagine that

[ebon flax]

I've been dreaming about getting an inspire. Seems daunting as a first drone. Was it inspire 1 or 2? Pretty sure the v2 came with an fpv cam. 99.9% sure that it's not gonna freestyle though.

[spring copper]

def not

i had just impulsively decided i wanted it because of the price

[main spruce]

You said you want to get integra goggles and a boxer max @spring copper ?

[spring copper]

yea

[main spruce]

Can I ask you with what budget you are working?

And you dont have any experience with flying fpv or?

[spring copper]

honestly I don't have one but I wouldn't be happy spending much more than 900$

[main spruce]

okay then the boxer max and the goggles integra are not the right option for you

[spring copper]

alright

[main spruce]

Because you would need a lot more budget to get those

Have you read a guid for beginners?

[spring copper]

boxers bout 200 and the integras are 400 rn

[spring copper]

yea

[main spruce]

yes and then with just the drone you reach 900

[spring copper]

what drone are you talking bout that cost 900?

[main spruce]

No drone but you have 200+400+300 for a drone and then you already used your whole budget

[spring copper]

yeah

[main spruce]

But you still need batteries and a charger and some spare parts like props

And where can you get the max for 200?

[spring copper]

propellers aren't very expensive

[spring copper]

thats what their website said last time i looked

maybe 250

[main spruce]

yes but it is still something you need to consider

[spring copper]

259 is what it says rn

[main spruce]

yes 260 so that is 60 more

[spring copper]

alr

[main spruce]

Since you have no experience why do you just take the normal elrs version for 140 and just look if the hobby suits you before buying the best of the best

then you have enough budget for everything else and could save some money

[spring copper]

I've had drones in the past I'm just new to fpv

[main spruce]

yes but still you can get the ago1 gimbals ion the future

and some people can get motionsickness

[spring copper]

Idk if you're saying the goggles with that motion are gonna cause that but I've done simlar things and haven't ever experienced motion sickness before

I've played vr before but for fpv drones the most i've done is a cheap drone with my phone in a goggle holder

[main spruce]

Iam just saying that it can happen and if you spend almost a grand and then notice it is not something for you

[spring copper]

yea that would be pretty wasteful

[main spruce]

okay that is something so you will propbably will not need to worry about that

[main spruce]

yes so you want a freestyle quad and a digital system preferably dji or?

[spring copper]

yea

[main spruce]

we will get that all sorted from now on

okay so we will start the other way around and look for the right charger and batteries with the drone

[spring copper]

i planned to just go all out on the goggles and controller (stuff I can't crash) and start with a bad drone

[spring copper]

also I think I'd have to pick the drone first

[main spruce]

but why that doesnt make any sence

[main spruce]

yes the charger will be an easy pick too

https://www.getfpv.com/hota-d6-pro-325w-15a-1-6s-dual-channel-ac-dc-smart-charger-w-wireless-charging.html

this charger is like the standard

[spring copper]

figured the best stuff would last longest and be easiest

[main spruce]

yes but for the best you need 1.5k

[spring copper]

for the controller and the goggles or including the drone?

[main spruce]

everything

[spring copper]

i'm gonna wait to get a good drone

[main spruce]

And you have 900 as a budget

[chilly kettle]

From what I've heard, the ag01s really don't make a difference

they just look cool and maybe feel slightly better

but not worth the money in my opinion

So the base boxer would be fine (as you said)

[main spruce]

yeah that is what iam trying to tell him the boxer it self is still good

[spring copper]

regular boxer is 99.99 rn

will it last as long as the max though?

[chilly kettle]

Yes

max is literally just fancier

no performance upgrades

[main spruce]

and it is 140 because you want the elrs

[chilly kettle]

yes, do elrs

[spring copper]

I think i need elrs

[main spruce]

yesssss

[chilly kettle]

!elrs

[crystal gyro]

Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Saviour, ExpressLRS?
ExpressLRS is the latest and greatest in control link protocols.
It is Open Source made by people from the community, for the community.
It has the longest range, the lowest latency, is easy to use and on top of that is also the cheapest option available.
It is absolutely a win/win!

[spring copper]

is the max better than the tx16s mark I I also?

[main spruce]

yes 1w elrs

just the nicer display is lacking on the boxer

I think you should watch some more videos from joshua bardwell

[spring copper]

what does region mean?

the boxer shows options of fcc and lbt

[main spruce]

fcc is everywhere else then eu because off the limitations lbt is eu

but it is just the software

just get the fcc version I have that too and iam from eu no one gives a shit

[spring copper]

do both work with most drones and the dji goggles?

i'm from u.s

[main spruce]

they work with elrs receivers that has nothing to do with dji

[spring copper]

ngl Idk know what has to do with what

[main spruce]

you have a receiver that receives the signal from your radio and give it to the flight controller and the flight controller does what you do on the radio

the fc is then conected to you videotransmitter(vtx) from dji and then there is no more to iut

[spring copper]

so it really don't matter what i pick?

[main spruce]

no you just need the right receiver that can conect to you fc

[spring copper]

so what controller i get is gonna pick my drone options?

[main spruce]

no you can solder off a receiver and attach another one

[spring copper]

You change and upgrade you're drone?

[main spruce]

yes ofc it is not dji

[spring copper]

I'd personally be too scared of messing it up

even on open frame drones

[main spruce]

yes but almost every new drone can be ordered with elrs

and when you crash it you have to know that you will need to solder if you want or not

[spring copper]

I've heard thats why its good to build a drone

[main spruce]

yes then you know how it works

[spring copper]

do you have to program the drone when you build your own?

[ebon flax]

You have to configure it via software, it you don't have to write code.

[main spruce]

no not me in particular but many other people can help you

[ebon flax]

There's a ton of info available. Check out Josh bardwells YouTube channel.

[spring copper]

configuring seems like the worst part of building a drone

[main spruce]

no I think it is not

but you will need to learn it

and also soldering

but you need to decide if you want to take the extra step

[spring copper]

My granddad solders alot and loves projects like that I know he would help me

[ebon flax]

Configuring betaflight is fairly straightforward.

[main spruce]

but now you need to decide want to save up or what do you want now

[ebon flax]

Flying fpv drones is the fun bonus you get from learning how to build and repair them. You don't get to fly without learning to build. (Or having the budget to buy replacements for everything you break)

[ornate flame]

900 is pretty aight in my opinion, but for digital a bit tight

[spring copper]

i wanna build tbh

[ornate flame]

Buy each part seperately?

[spring copper]

yea

[main spruce]

yes exactly

we now have the radiomaster boxer elrs fcc

[spring copper]

ima wait till I'm experienced enough with sims and cheap drones then try building a few months later

[main spruce]

we are now deciding on which quad and so on

[ebon flax]

For a first build, I'm a big fan of the bardwell kit. Comes with a step by step video documenting the whole build process.

[main spruce]

yes that is an idea but cheap drones will most likely be analog

[ebon flax]

More expensive, but easier to complete.

Goggles V2 will let you add an analog module and are also compatible with a digital vtx.

[spring copper]

what about dji tello

thats hd right?

[main spruce]

no

it is not a proper fpv drone

[ebon flax]

For small and cheap, you want a mobula 7.

[spring copper]

Oh yea I looked into alot of those yesterday

[ornate flame]

You can start big, but your headaches and frustrations will be big too

[spring copper]

nah

[ornate flame]

And I speak from experience, age is also really important

[spring copper]

whats the difference between a hdzero and walksnail? Are they drones or types of drones?

[chilly kettle]

Video systems

[spring copper]

oh

[chilly kettle]

Both are digital

[spring copper]

is the crux 3 elrs 1 s toothpick good?

[main spruce]

yes but it is analog

[spring copper]

this really got me feeling stupid

[main spruce]

why

you just need to do some research

[spring copper]

yea

[main spruce]

how the drone works

[spring copper]

especially before i try building

[main spruce]

yes

[spring copper]

what about the happymobula 7 1s 75mm hd whoop

[main spruce]

good analog goggles would be the ev800d or the skyzone cobra x v2

that are the two low end goggles

https://www.vitroidfpv.com/articles/guides-getting-into-fpv?tab=%24600-%241000

check this article pls it will help with many questions

[spring copper]

thats a image

nevermind

at first i miss clicked on the image

[main spruce]

and after you read the whole article pls check this link:https://www.fpvknowitall.com/ for even further information

and then you should be good to go

[spring copper]

thank you

[main spruce]

no problem and then just ask if you need further help

[main spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpuXqNakP2A

watch this

Just new

and then the playlist

[spring copper]

is joshua very good at flying drones

I've been seeing alot of him

[main spruce]

he makes really good videos and is a good pilot and teacher

[spring copper]

oh cool

[main spruce]

Just watch the list and start with buying the boxer elrs

and learn in a sim

[spring copper]

lbt right?

or did you say Fcc

[main spruce]

no fcc

[spring copper]

thank you

[main spruce]

but first watch a vid or two

[spring copper]

I haven't read the pages you sent yet but is there any way to know the stats of a drone before building it

just curious

[main spruce]

Not sure but leave that for the future

[spring copper]

alright

ima go read the guides then watch a few videos

[ornate flame]

The stats?

[main spruce]

just read the things first and watch the vids you will learn a lot

[spring copper]

I meant like flight time and all that

[ornate flame]

Depends on all your hardware and how you fly

[spring copper]

this one actually mentions this server

[main spruce]

yes it is the website of a mod

[feral cipher]

[spring copper]

I didn't even recognize the name

i've finished the first guide but this second one is super long

[spring copper]

whats your favorite cam from what i've learned so far i think i like the runcam wasp

[main spruce]

yes ik just take your time

it is more for further information if you have specfiic questions

[main spruce]

the ratle 2 is nice

and many people recommend it

[spring copper]

by caddxfpv?

[main spruce]

yes

[spring copper]

looks pretty cool

its analog tho

I really need to this

is this https://www.getfpv.com/dji-goggles-2.html?cmid=eHZ3Y2tBWGYrQWM9&ats=ZFNOTFdoUEM1V2s9 and thishttps://www.getfpv.com/dji-goggles-integra.html?cmid=eHZ3Y2tBWGYrQWM9&ats=ZFNOTFdoUEM1V2s9 the same

[main spruce]

not sure do your own research

[spring copper]

I notice there are two screw like things on the bottom of the goggles 2

[main spruce]

I think one had other specs but there will be couple of comparisons on yt

[spring copper]

the goggles 2 has a slightly bigger fov

the integra is 44 and the goggles 2 is 51

[ornate flame]

Goggles 2 has separate battery and upgraded antennas

[spring copper]

the integra is newer I believe

[ornate flame]

Same age

Same@generation

[ebon flax]

Google dji goggles 2 vs integra. I sent you a link previously that compares the two. Remote id, integrated battery and non removable antennas are the differences that come to mind.

[ornate flame]

Welcome to FPV

[ebon flax]

I had a notepad full of notes when I was starting out. Helped me keep everything straight.

[ornate flame]

I have documents written by me from people from this server with guides and everything

From starting to what brands are good and shit

[ebon flax]

Thanks. I was trying to gently suggest that @spring copper might benefit from writing down some of the answers to the questions they've been asking.

[ornate flame]

I believe every beginner pilot who's low in experience

[spring copper]

Thank you

[spring copper]

I created one on my phone yesterday but so far it mostly just consists of parts and tips

If any of you ever built a drone before how long did it take you including setup?

[ornate flame]

a few hours

[spring copper]

only?

I figured it would take weeks

[ornate flame]

like this wasnt the first drone i had setup and i had been here for a little while so i knew how and whatnot

and i had researched

first build tho

[spring copper]

did you have any problems getting it to function correctly ?

[ornate flame]

nah not really

[spring copper]

thats impressive

[ornate flame]

to be fair im not new to soldering

and it was a pretty simple build

[spring copper]

I honestly think it would take me weeks to build it and a month to have no problems

[ornate flame]

to be fair i also didnt tune it yet

i dont feel the need

it flies nicely

[spring copper]

wdym by tune it?

[ornate flame]

your meant to do pid tuning

but like

eh

[spring copper]

Thats still impressive

I have a little bit of soldering experience but working with something fragile would still be hard for me

[ebon flax]

Took me two long afternoons. Plus another hour or two of soldering practice before I started my build.

I just drop in a pid preset and call it good.

[chilly kettle]

3 days

Multiple issues when putting it together 😅

[ornate flame]

actually looking for the parts costs way more time then building it

[spring copper]

Yea looking for parts seems pretty time consuming

[ornate flame]

I spend about:
3 hours on motors
1.5 hours on a frame
2 hours on a good stack
3 hours on a btw
1 minute on an antenna
2 hours on a cam

So yeah

Pretty time consuming

These long hours are mainly because I knew nothing about FPV.

Looking for parts for my second build will probably only take me 30 minutes

[spring copper]

what part do you personally think is best to go expensive on?

[ornate flame]

I just go expenive on everything

hmm not sure, would probaly be camera and vtx

[spring copper]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

This may be a stupid question, but is it possible to get functions like DJI Return Home on personal builds?

[ornate flame]

Not as good as the DJI return to home, but very basic return to home with gps is possible

[spring copper]

would you need to program that?

[ornate flame]

betaflight luckily has a tab for it, so no

[spring copper]

I really thought building drones had a lot more advanced stuff to it than this

i'm pretty relived

[ebon flax]

It can, but it seems to mostly be in the inav/ardupilot world. I'm presently working on my first inav build and it's definitely a step up in difficulty. But it should have return to home and the ability to fly gps waypoint missions. I just gotta figure out how.

[spring copper]

is it gonna be for freestyle?

[ornate flame]

Ardupilot is for fixed wings,

Inav can be used for quads but I don't see many people use inav for freestyle flying

[chilly kettle]

Ardupilot is for many things

[ornate flame]

Mb

Meant that I have seen Ardupilot getting used for fixed wings

Because I'm only interested in fixed wing type of stuff

[spring copper]

I used to want to create a fixed wing but gave up because I thought there was coding

Idk if I could do it but I wanted to get a dropping mechanism built in it but not only would that most likely be too heavy idk if the range would work

I would also probably get bored with a fixed wing

[ebon flax]

Nah, it's an AR wing. I wanna experiment with semi autonomous flight. And longer flight time/distance. In theory inav will let me set gps waypoints that the plane will fly to.

[spring copper]

that used to be my exact goal

I wanted to build a fixed wing with long flight time and can travel distance with a cargo dropper

this was my inspiration https://www.deltaquad.com/vtol-drones/cargo/

[ornate flame]

uh ardu is for everything

[ornate flame]

M B

[viral pike]

just FYI for the concept; what you'd do is grab a servo and wire that to some mechanism (would be convenient to 3d print, but you can do it without printing as well. The whole assembly could probalby be lifted by a Mobula6 (not practically, but if you wanted to). The servo would be wired to your FC, so it shares the same connection as all the other stuff controlled by your transmitter/receiver

Betaflight, iNav, and Ardupilot - those are in order of focus on performance and freestyle (BF) up to range, autonomy, waypoints etc (Ardu). I build larger stuff that I like to fly manual but also have GPS and some autonomous potential on, so iNav is perfect for me.

[spring copper]

I'm finally on my pc

I found a sim called fpv skydive that was free

its extremally hard, is one stick supposed to be up and forward and the other to look around?

[viral pike]

https://youtu.be/5B5EmIVnRzw?si=YAN0dl7zfcVOlzTv

This is a good demo of how each (should) work. I'd disagree with him on which mode to start in, though. Going straight to acro i think would cement acro in your muscle memory better

[spring copper]

I started with acro

the others felt impossible to work

is fpv skydive just bad?

[viral pike]

If it's your first time flying a drone at all, then yeah it'll definitely feel awkward, like learning to ride a bike/skateboard etc

but definitely do check that you have your sticks calibrated and that the drone responds exactly like in the video (if the sticks aren't the same, then you'll learn on some screwed up stick configuration and will either have to deal with it or relearn the entire thing)

[spring copper]

its my first for fpv

i'm using a ps5 controller also

[spring copper]

is uncrashed good?

[viral pike]

that'll make it a bit difficult but it should be okayish for a basic introduction to acro flying

[viral pike]

unless it's from a literal mobile game ad, then it should be plenty good for that acro introduction

and even then, imo the difference in physics from one sim to the next is probably gonna be outweighed by the fact that you'll likely be flying a differently built quad IRL

[spring copper]

what sim should i get then?

I just wanna learn freestyle

my pc can handle alot

[viral pike]

Uncrashed is probably good

if you're a racer/proximity freestyler then yeah nitpicking sims is reasonable

but if you're literally just starting out

[spring copper]

liftoff or uncrashed?

just your opinion

[viral pike]

both

[spring copper]

very wise

you have saved me master jank

[viral pike]

I'm strongly of the opinion that, when you're fresh on the sticks, literally anything works as long as it's not forming actually terrible muscle memory (e.g. starting with Horizon mode or practicing 24/7 with a gamepad)

[viral pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/921559162197012510.gif?size=80&quality=lossless

I have no clue what I did but apparently it was good advice so I'm gonna take note of the good advice for future reference

@spring copper I take all that back

the only simulator you should ever use is Minecraft FPV

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536831507554238464/1014240729821892639/night_fpv_clip.mp4?ex=656631c9&is=6553bcc9&hm=aeaef952e0615670f26a4ef3b6ed3303c1bce8a15d248687267707def6237e9d&

[spring copper]

music makes it worth it

[viral pike]

music + shaders + city map is ✨ perfect ✨

[spring copper]

I'm snagging lift off

[viral pike]

give it another 2 weeks you'll own all the simulators and be completely broke

[spring copper]

honestly you're right

I'm too tempted

[viral pike]

Minecraft FPV is free

Optifine is free

Minecraft itself is... well if you don't already have it, seek psychiatric assistance immediately

[spring copper]

bro Liftoff ain't even done downloading but I feel like i'm experienced

[ornate flame]

Ohh damn

[ornate flame]

You are back with it 😭

[ebon flax]

Velocidrone is my fav sim. Tried a few others and had a hard time. Velocidrone physics are a lot better.

[ebon flax]

Also, if you're using a game controller, your left stock is gonna be self centering, which is different from an fpv radio.

Fwiw, try playing with your rates and expo as well as your cam angle. I started with a low cam angle, 15-20 degrees and high expo, >50%. I now fly a 25 degree cam and about 30 percent expo.

I like my yaw around 500-550 and my pitch/roll about 666.

[spring copper]

My boxer and integra goggles both come on tuesday

i've gave up on playing the sim with a game controller to not mess up my muscle memory

[ornate flame]

Yeah it does mess it up ngl

(talking from experience)

Only took me like 15 seconds to get back used to real flying

[spring copper]

I've heard whoops have very bad battery life and that the digital ones normally aren't very good

Is there any good digital drone that isn't too expensive

[chilly kettle]

Depends on the digital system

[ornate flame]

crux35 HD

[spring copper]

dji

[chilly kettle]

battery life is like 3 mins, but batteries are also less than half the price so

[spring copper]

this one?https://www.getfpv.com/happymodel-crux35-4s-hd-freestyle-racing-drone-w-caddx-nebula-nano.html

[ornate flame]

yea

that and a hota d6 pro for charger

and some cnhl speedypizza 4s 750mah

[spring copper]

should I get that or just build my own

I'm just fighting with myself on whether to get a whoop or potentially waste money on starting my first build

[ornate flame]

do you know how to solder?

[spring copper]

yea

[chilly kettle]

Building is fun

[ornate flame]

i agree

[chilly kettle]

*mostly

except for the part where you burn out a motor because settings were wrong

[ornate flame]

or in my case

2 aios and a rx

[chilly kettle]

AIOs are not fun to replace

how did you burn a rx

[ornate flame]

didnt burn it

i tried to heatshrink

and heatgun was to hot

and desoldered the u.fl connector

[spring copper]

how much did your build cost?

[chilly kettle]

Who

Mine was like $200, maybe 170, have to remember the specifics, but now it's 300-something with digital

[ornate flame]

uh

mine was a lil expensive for zero reason

[ornate flame]

Mine would be about €400

But I could definitely save €150 by cheaping out on basically everything

[spring copper]

how much was yours?

[ornate flame]

Uh including some tools around $400

[spring copper]

thats not horrible I guess

I spent that much just for the stupid goggles

ima prob needa save before spending that much again tho

[ornate flame]

What goggles did u get?

Cuz I did an analog build

[spring copper]

the dji integra goggles

[ornate flame]

Oh yea so add like $100 if u want digital build

And you gotta do digital

[spring copper]

crazy

[main spruce]

Thats what we told you from the beginning on that dji is very expensive

[spring copper]

yea ik

[chilly kettle]

I'd say $400 isn't a bad estimate for a dji build

Especially if you go like speedybee f405 and ecoII

[ornate flame]

It’s a 3 inch

It’s an aio

And analog

[chilly kettle]

how did you manage to spend $400 on a 3"?

oh wait

nevermind

[ornate flame]

Me too (not yet but will buy all parts next month)

analog build

[chilly kettle]

I spent less than that on a 5"

[ornate flame]

Yeah me too on my 5”

[ornate flame]

uhhhh

the parts i got were nice

well it was more like $300-$350 on the quad

[spring copper]

is there anything useful I can do with my goggles without a drone?

[mighty crest]

not sure about integra but just a warning about crux35

buy 650mah lipos, you don't need more than that

the frame is really fragile

cracks easily at the arms

add more weight with 750mah or 850mah and you'll be breaking more frames

[mellow beacon]

I'm new to FPV
Got a boxer and have been practicing on a SIM for a few weeks

I was wondering wether I should go for an analog or digital build?

My main purpose is gona be for cinematic shots and using it for travel mostly

And I kinda wana keep it within a budget too 🙈

[spring copper]

I ordered my boxer a week ago but its still in china

[ornate flame]

So what's your budget?

And what size drone are you looking for with what purpose?

[spring copper]

I've picked digital with my boxer for clearer view

I believe analog is better for latency tho

[ornate flame]

Latency doesn't matter much anyways, 15ms or 30ms isn't gonna make the difference for cinematic shots

[spring copper]

I'm thinking about getting a dji 03

[mellow beacon]

Let's say 500-600$ for everything that's left
(Do I need a GoPro?)

Just have the Boxer so far, need to buy everything else

My main purpose is for cinematic shots, just as a hobby though

Not sure about the size of the drone

Not sure what would be ideal

[ornate flame]

500-600 isn't great, as for digital your goggles alone are €400-€500

And then a digital drone build is another €500

So you are sitting at €1000 already

You can go a lot cheaper with analog, however:

You pay what you get for, €100 analog goggles won't be the best. There are €300-€400 better ones but again that's a lot.

You will need to buy/use an extra GoPro to have the cinematic shots you wish for.

[mellow beacon]

I can extend my budget a little not an issue 🙈

[ornate flame]

Extending your budget by your entire budget is a little crazy ahaha but definitely doable

[mellow beacon]

So if I go for the analog build

How do the goggles and vtx affect the viewing experience and the shots I can land?

[mellow beacon]

Yepp
Going All in 😝🥲🙈

[ornate flame]

Cheaper analog goggles could very much be:

• lower screen resolution
• less comfortable on your face
• have a worse reciever
• lower build quality
• come with pretty low quality antennas you want to get replaced too

The VTX, is up to you what you choose, 800mW should be plenty but you can have a 1.6W VTX too

Analog vs digital:

Analog:

• cheaper
• lower latency
• okay-ish looking video
• more options to choose from

Digital:

• expensive
• limited in options (but there are enough so dw)
• higher latency
• great range, with DJI up to 10km (analog less than half but still very far nonetheless)
• much higher video quality

[mellow beacon]

So after checking online the DJI O3 + DJI googles 2

Would cost - 570$ approx

For Analog -
Say 100$ goggles + VTX
= 150$ approx

Is this is a fair assumption?

Another thing I read online is DJI o3 air unit is equivalent to a GoPro

Is this really true ?

[mellow beacon]

Got it

So digital is future proof in a way

[ornate flame]

$100 goggles is really the lowest you can go for some okay-ish goggles.

However you can spend $400 on analog goggles and then you will have:

$450 analog (goggles + vtx)
$570 digital (O3 + DJI V2)

So then I would definitely go for digital as it is superior.

[ornate flame]

It's not equivalent, a GoPro is still a bit better (forgot in what exactly) but the O3 makes some pretty good looking footage.

And since its a hobby, the O3 would be more than enough

Remember a GoPro is an extra cost (which isn't cheap, means extra weight on your drone and also makes your drone less aerodynamic)

[mellow beacon]

Ooooo ok

You are right
Yes than digital is clearly better with that price difference

[ornate flame]

For goggles I would try to maybe buy them second hand (watch out for scammers) as you may get them for $100 cheaper in good condition.

[mellow beacon]

That makes sense 🙈

And I can save 300$ on a go pro and do an upgrade in the future if necessary

[ornate flame]

Personally I don't think it's necessary and personally I find a GoPro expensive while your O3 produces an image that's almost as good.

[mellow beacon]

I agree

I wouldn't use the GoPro for anything other than fpv mostly

So wouldn't be that useful ig

Edit: for other stuff I mean*

[ornate flame]

You can make the hobby as expensive as you want, but if it's just a hobby and not any proffesional work I wouldn't recommend getting an extra GoPro together with an O3 unit (purely as it is expensive and FPV is just a hobby as you said).

[ornate flame]

Yes exactly that

[mellow beacon]

What do you use btw? Are you a hobbyist too?

[ornate flame]

A hobbyist with old cheap fpv equipment yes 😅

Analog as it is cheap and currently fly a 5" and tiny whoop

Currently upgrading a few parts of the 5"

Planning to build a 3.5" soon too (also analog)

[mellow beacon]

I have been researching for a month or so

And I still haven't figured out what the main difference in size is

I'm guessing a 5" has more stability?

[ornate flame]

The size of the quad refers to the propellor size, so 5inch propellers on my 5" drone.

A 5 inch frame is mostly preferred as it is a great combination of power, responsiveness and weight. It also gives great efficacy.

A 7 inch frame for example is the best for cinematic long-range cruising (but it's huge and more expensive due to bigger size).

A 5 inch is good for freestyle and racing. 3.5" or 3" are good for freestyle and anything smaller is good for freestyle too.

As you are planning to use your drone for travel (not sure what travel) but a 5" is already pretty big if it has to fit in your backpack. A 7" would be too big for in your average backpack.

[ornate flame]

However you can also use a 5", 3.5", 3" and even a 2.5* for cinematic shots.

[mellow beacon]

Oooooooo ok
I'll go for a 5" build then

[mellow beacon]

Ohh 🙈
So when I go hiking or to the beach or something along those lines 🙈

[mellow beacon]

Oooo

But there wouldn't be a large difference in price between 5 inch and 3.5" correct ?

I'm guessing battery and flight time would be reduced in the 3.5 ?

And what benefits would a 3.5" have over 5" ?

[ornate flame]

Yes, but you will probably have to take your props off to store your drone in a backpack (my backpack is huge and it just fits with props on)

[ornate flame]

No, price would be about the same

[mellow beacon]

Not an issue to carry it as such
Can get a bigger backpack 🙈

[ornate flame]

I can't talk from experience,

But people have been saying they get 5-10 minutes of flight time with their 3.5"

I only get 3.5-5 minutes with my 5".

My 5" take off weight is about 600 grams.

A 3.5" take off weight would be about 250-350 grams. So a lot lighter.

A 3.5" is also smaller and batteries for example will most likely be a lot cheaper too. And just like a 5" it can also carry a GoPro on it without problems.

[ornate flame]

FPV is as expensive as you make it ahaha 😅

[mellow beacon]

Yeppp I'm beginning to realise that now 🙈

A lot more than I expected it to be 🙈

[ornate flame]

Without props a 5" should definitely fit

My 5" drone

Picture is already a month old atleast

I will sleep now, it's 0:52 here so pretty late and I definitely need my sleep

[mellow beacon]

Woah

The difference in flight time is considerable 🙈

[mellow beacon]

Woahhh it's beautiful 😻
I like the colour scheme

[ornate flame]

You shouldn't worry about flight times that much, 5 minutes is not nothing and swapping batteries is pretty easy but yes it's a pretty big difference

[mellow beacon]

Sure sure
Gn

Thanks a lot for your help 🙈🙇‍♂️

[ornate flame]

Will continue to help you tomorrow

[ornate flame]

This is go it currently looks like 😅

[mellow beacon]

Did it crash somewhere?

[ornate flame]

I have broken my flight controller (by accident because I didn't solder something) so I removed every component and ordered a new FC and need to re-solder everything again so it was just an empty frame with esc for a good few weeks

[mellow beacon]

Ohhh
Sorry to hear that 😢

[ornate flame]

It's alright, it needed a new FC anyways

And it arrived today

So started working on it

[mellow beacon]

Oooooo Niceee
Do send a pic when you are done 🙈

[ornate flame]

Will definitely do that, probably by the end of this week

[mellow beacon]

Looking forward to it 😇

[ebon flax]

I believe the o3 records what you see in the goggles. So the big downside is that if you want cinematic stuff, you're probably shooting 24fps. And for flying you want a minimum of 60, better yet 120. And you can't see 120 in your goggle and record 24 at the same time.

[feral cipher]

The O3 records onboard

[chilly kettle]

Walksnail is cheaper than that

[chilly kettle]

You can get cheaper than that

Cobra x + WS vrx

Or used digital goggles

Used v1s are probably like $350

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176048223103

[ornate flame]

yeah depending on which brand you decide to go for.

[mighty crest]

• no o3 Air unit -> GoPro -> costs more in the end

[chilly kettle]

Walksnail has 1080p onboard recording with gyroflow

Assuming you get the model with gyroflow

[mighty crest]

oh I thought it didn't have it

[chilly kettle]

O3 does better recording, but if you aren't doing professional work it should be alright

Actually, even their whoop vtx has 1080p recording

Which is pretty cool if I do say so myself

[mighty crest]

iirc walksnail has worse breakup, but yeah ig it is DJI on a budget

[chilly kettle]

I think it's pretty much the same as DJI

Ah, nevermind, they are different

DJI does handle it slightly better

[mighty crest]

DJI handles a lot of things better

it's just more proprietary that's all

and heavy

[chilly kettle]

Still wouldn't call walksnail dji on a budget

[mighty crest]

it really is

it feels like a carbon copy

[chilly kettle]

Because they are both digital with retransmission?

That's like saying foxeer analog is a carbon copy of rushtank analog, and therefore one is better

[mighty crest]

well at least in terms of the actual feed yes

fair point there tho

but there's also HDZero forget that not for freestyle

[chilly kettle]

Walksnail is better at weight and cost, dji o3 is like best of the best in quality

So I guess yeah it is sorta dji on a budget

But there are times when you might want walksnail instead of dji, even if you have the budget

[mighty crest]

like if u can't afford DJI u go walksnail and get a similar experience

all of walksnails features come after DJI, they have no real innovation

[chilly kettle]

Some of the people here run it for freestyle

[mighty crest]

well if u want recording

u need to have a gopro

for the guy who made this post that's a no

[chilly kettle]

DJI has also been in the game for much longer

[mighty crest]

true there

regardless walksnail has existed for a while

[chilly kettle]

And I feel like they have innovation, I mean they have a 1s vtx, dji doesn't

[mighty crest]

well yeah DJI couldn't care less about whoops

they don't care as much about fpv as they do their commercial drones

[chilly kettle]

DJI also doesn't really listen to the community

[mighty crest]

caddx has time to worry about the fpv space

[chilly kettle]

They have no HDMI in on their new goggles

[mighty crest]

again it's very proprietary that's why

[chilly kettle]

So no comparability with analog or other systems

[mighty crest]

they want you locked into their ecosystem

[chilly kettle]

Walksnail's new goggles have HDMI in, and analog in

[mighty crest]

it's a business tactic man

same reason DJI doesn't have a vrx

[chilly kettle]

Yeah I know that

Apple's tactic too...

Really annoying

[mighty crest]

🤷‍♂️

[ebon flax]

Can you record a different frame rate onboard vs what you see in the goggles?

[mellow beacon]

I agree with that

Thank You guys for the comparison 🙈

How much is the price difference btw?
Between DJI and Walksnail ?

DJI Goggles V2 + O3 = 340$+230$ = 570$
What about Walksnail?

[chilly kettle]

Depends on what you get

You could get Cobra x + vrx

~$350, but then a $160 vtx and camera at the highest

[mellow beacon]

Are those cameras good for recording?
Like the DJI O3?

[chilly kettle]

They are definitely not as good

But they do 1080p

+gyroflow if you get it (image stabilization)

[mellow beacon]

So Gyro data from FC is it ?

To stabilise the video ?

[chilly kettle]

It has an onboard gyro

[spring copper]

I got a radiomaster controller but I think supposedly opening the box makes it nonreturnable

Now I have to debate on if this could be a waste of money

[ornate flame]

if you open the box cleanly it should be returnable

[ornate flame]

why could it be a waste of money?

[spring copper]

I don't know

the controller plus my goggles were 600 and I don't even have a drone yet

I'm sort of afraid its gonna turn into something I do randomly and not actually put in full time to learn it

[grave kestrel]

Fortunately as long as you take care of your stuff, you can always resell it used for most of what you paid for it

At least the goggles and controller. The drones don't hold their value quite as well because they tend to get beaten up

[spring copper]

You're right

I could request shipping if I was to resell it and get very close to the original price

[viral pike]

Out of the 6k ppl here, I've only seen a handful buy their full setup then decide to leave the hobby

[spring copper]

Nah I'm still gonna do it I was just thinking of going cheaper since thats what the drone I'm getting is going to be

[spring copper]

I guess seeing the unopened box gave me concern

[ornate flame]

You can buy a tiny whoop for 100-250

[reef ledge]

i bought a meteor65 pro and am in love with it, mostly using it to get comfortable while i finish up my 5 inch

[spring copper]

Yea I was looking for a whoop I kept giving up tho because I thought my goggles would only work with the dji 03

[spring copper]

Is the 2 min flight time annoying?

[reef ledge]

not really 1s batteries aren’t very expensive and i find that even tho the flight time isn’t crazy long its still enjoyable

[spring copper]

Do you know if all digital cameras work with dji goggles?

[reef ledge]

i don’t believe they do

i may be mistaken tho

[ebon flax]

DJI goggles should work with any camera in the DJI ecosystem.

[spring copper]

What about Caddx Nebula Pro?

[ornate flame]

Yes

[ornate flame]

Idk if this is any useful

[main spruce]

I also thought of sending that in here but he has the integra and I dont know if they are same to the goggles 2

[ornate flame]

Both should work with the O3 air unit if I'm right

[spring copper]

I need for the integra goggles

[spring copper]

That was the only one I was sure about

I wanna just get a 03 and put it in a cheap fix wing build

[ornate flame]

Same as g2 afaik

[spring copper]

liftoff with my radio master boxer is great

[viral pike]

Have I told you about Minecraft FPV yet?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536831507554238464/1014240729821892639/night_fpv_clip.mp4?ex=6578a6c9&is=656631c9&hm=5f074b9c5f42a77060a5e34261664949ec4a4f4a94654be8e92f76ca6e479fe4&

[spring copper]

it seems really cool but I figured it mess up muscle memory

also idk if curseforge is where to download it from

[viral pike]

doubt it. The deveolper is an FPV pilot so it's designed like an actual simulator. acro, rates, motor KV, voltage, and everything

and yeah just install forge, download the standalone mod file from anywhere, and stick the file in mc's "mods" folder

[spring copper]

Oh alright

[spring copper]

Is it easy to convert an anolog to an digital?

[viral pike]

I assume you're talking about a generic freestyle quad's video system?

In that case, you'd take out the digital video system and put in an analog camera/vtx. You'd need to (re)solder a few things

Ahh nvm you said analog to digital. Generally the video system is fairly separate, so it's just a matter of replacing the whole thing, but I'm not completely sure if some digital video systems need a specific FC

[spring copper]

I wanted to get this and put a 03 unit in https://usa-m.banggood.com/IFlight-Nazgul5-V3-Analog-240mm-5-Inch-6S-Freestyle-FPV-Racing-Drone-BNF-or-PNP-RaceCam-R1-Cam-BLITZ-F7-E45S-45A-ESC-2207-1800KV-Motor-p-1730610.html?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_organic&gmcCountry=US&utm_content=minha&utm_campaign=aceng-pmax-usg-mb&currency=USD&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&ID=6292762&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_us&utm_content=massa&utm_campaign=aceng-pla-usa-all2-20220402-massa&ad_id=519518637596&gbraid=0AAAAADshcaUJD4lAiC7DEuKpEiZWkpmAv&gclid=CjwKCAiAg9urBhB_EiwAgw88mY-kxLx_Q39terFw89K8aUo2MDu6pEpBWh2fvSRKQjoCWMTcOUtQAxoCP_oQAvD_BwE

[viral pike]

I'm pretty sure there would already be a nazgul with that configuration somewhere. doesn't make much sense to buy and swap parts instead of just building the quad if you want specific things

[spring copper]

My mother told me I couldn’t build because I would ruin it

Everyone thinks I’m stupid

[ornate flame]

My parents just said your money your problem

If I break it it’s my problem

Your going to need tools to build anyway cuz repairs for when you crash

[viral pike]

I recommend you get something smaller but fun like a tinyhawk or whatever today's equivalent prebuilt is, and show your mother that you can be highly responsible and safe with it. When it breaks, explain to her exactly what processes and skills you'll use to fix it, and also explain the "why" (e.g. what the broken component did and what replacing it will accomplish), and then show which tools and materials you'll need (e.g. Pinecil V2 and some 60/40 solder), and how much they'll cost. Bring up what risks you'll take (which things you can possibly screw up), the realistic chance and cost of those mistakes being made, and exactly how you plan to prevent them from happening.

[spring copper]

man built a whole plan

Thank you

[viral pike]

it's really just
a) understand and plan out what you're doing
b) articulate your plan to someone else

not that complicated, same thought process for anything else

[spring copper]

nahh I wouldn’t have thought that deep

[copper nimbus]

That is cool.

[viral pike]

it's not a deceptive plan, it's a prepared mindset

[viral pike]

Minecraft FPV is never not cool

and why does discord label the disgusting file name and everything instead of just one slick embed

[copper nimbus]

Kind of cringe on the Discord side.

[spring copper]

i got 500$ from Christmas

Should I build or get a prebuilt

if a preebuilt which one

[ornate flame]

I love to build one but if you would just like to fly then you might buy prebuild

[spring copper]

I want to build too but proformance and setup may be better for a prebuilt

[mighty crest]

funnily enough bnf drones cost less than building it yourself most of the time

building yourself vs bind and fly is up to you, do you like the challenge of building yourself or do you just want to fly

build yourself: there's the risk of faulty parts and/or shorting the electronics yourself from bad soldering or mistakes

[spring copper]

Thats my fear

[spring copper]

My mother got me a holystone for Christmas

I think the movement controls are different from freestyle

[analog stirrup]

differen’t

[ornate flame]

Thats a nice gift

Although

Yeah

[spring copper]

idk why I typed that

I some how just end up adding ‘ in random words

[analog stirrup]

makes sense lol

[ornate flame]

Building one means you will have to buy all the gear it takes to build one properly too

[spring copper]

Whats the bend prebuilt again?

From the notes I’ve taken its the nazgul 5 v3 and geprc

Mark 5

[ornate flame]

“the bend” ?

[spring copper]

Best

sorry I ain’t that good at typing on phone

[ornate flame]

One of those yes, I am not sure as I havent looked myself for prebuilt 5” drones but I can recommend you both yeah

[viral pike]

IMO if you know you'll enjoy building, it's priceless in terms of knowledge, experience, and general ability to fix the thing. Do your research and you won't take a performance hit. I think the vast majority of cases where DIY ends in fire and catastrophe is when you lack patience and responsibility (though not always)

[mighty crest]

the gear being a soldering iron, multimeter, and some hex screwdrivers ^^

and a short stopper if you wanna be super safe

[ornate flame]

I do use some more than that too but yeah, those are needed too

[spring copper]

https://atomrc.com/products/atomrc-hurricane-5-fpv-rc-camera-drone-quadcopter-rtf-sale?variant=40352252788869

is this a good freestyle drone?

[feral cipher]

not a fan of the arms, but it looks ok otherwise

may be hard to find spares in your local shops though

[spring copper]

There aren’t any shops near that sell drone parts anyways

theres a distant rc shop but only thing i can get there for drones is batteries

[spring copper]

Why so?

it appears to be simlar to the nazgul Evoque

[feral cipher]

It really is not necessary to have all the extra carbon at the center, the arms can just as well be more or less straight

they are pretty think with no taper across the length of them, which will probably lead to more stress and breaks

[feral cipher]

not like near you, just in your country (or close to your country)

[spring copper]

oh

[spring copper]

would it perform alright tho?

[feral cipher]

if we have a look at more reasonable deadcat arm constructions (like the GEPRC Mark 5), the arms are about the same thickness at the center, but widen considerably where they would meet the main body of the frame, and the motor mount as well

Like so

the curve is also much smoother, preventing stress points

[spring copper]

is one good? https://usa-m.banggood.com/IFlight-Nazgul-Evoque-F4X-HD-DJI-O3-4-Inch-6S-Freestyle-FPV-Racing-Drone-BNF-with-HD-Digital-System-p-1995900.html?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_organic&utm_medium=cpc_us&gmcCountry=US&utm_content=minha&utm_content=massa&utm_campaign=aceng-pmax-usg-mb&utm_campaign=aceng-pla-usa-all3-20220402-massa&currency=USD&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&ID=63109856311769&ad_id=513001116163&gbraid=0AAAAADshcaUfbagvmW7QiwuuOxGW8UVBX&gclid=CjwKCAiA1-6sBhAoEiwArqlGPh6JMQlftOO17GsKxeR5SzY2iekMXvgx8MxuDs7OrE_ccCecVgFw9BoCOYcQAvD_BwE

It seems like a really good deal

[feral cipher]

It's a 4", not 5", and at that weight it might as well be a 5" build if you don't want sub250g

[spring copper]

so this is best? https://shop.iflight.com/Nazgul5-V3-6S-HD-Pro1891?tracking=kFAdIXZ6IQwparB4PZhrfjhWIKVvyzh4nsdR6J1vQSdTrfn6pPra7AZqcN9f0YGc

[ornate flame]

It's good yes

[spring copper]

it works with the radio master boxer elrs right?

[ornate flame]

If the reciever choice is ELRS 2.4gHz, yes

[spring copper]

And I’m sure this is obvious but it will work with the dji integra goggles right?

I’m just trying to make sure its compatible with my equitment before getting it

[ornate flame]

Yes

It will work with the integra

[spring copper]

Does it matter what lift off sim rates I use?

[ornate flame]

Not really, whatever works for you although using rates from others and adjusting it to your liking is also not a bad thing.

[spring copper]

I think its on actual rn

is betaflight or one of the others better for more relistic flight

[ornate flame]

Betaflight? Betaflight isn't a sim or anything not sure what you mean by that

[spring copper]

ima send a pic