#F5 DJI Roma - how to setup?

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scarlet geyser
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electrical tape is fine too but you can't see the led

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so preferably transparent heatshrink or kapton

rapid marsh
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I was gonna ask if this is stupid

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But I definately cant see the led here 😅

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Ok so here's what I've got, I'll put some clear tape over the top so I can still see the led.. anyone see any issues with this? I didn't wanna touch the gyro , it looks like it would be too close up top

outer snow
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looks fine

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seen way worse, don't worry lol

rapid marsh
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Thankyou , sorry for double checking every little thing :)

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What do I do next? After cable ties

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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Everything is back together now, I plugged it in and contrary to what I believed it appears like the reciever is powered by the USB, I can move the sticks on the radio and see the sliders move in betaflight

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But its horribly configured so I'm watching a tutorial on configuring my radio

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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After that I guess its setting up the channels, ince I've done that I'll come back to you guys yo check my work 😅

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I think the radio needs calibrating

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I get a throttle warning when turning it in, even though the throttle is at 0

gritty jewel
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In regards to assigning switches to channels: CH5/AUX1 must be the ARM channel and be active at ~2000

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That's an ELRS requirement

rapid marsh
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Oh okay!

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And is that something I do in betaflight yes ?

gritty jewel
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To assign a switch to a channel, all you need to do is to go into the Mixes page on the radio, create a mix on a channel (enter its editor) and set its Source to be the switch name. You can click the source to start editing it and then just flick the switch back and forth to make it select automatically.

Then, betaflight will see that switch on that channel. In BF you must tell it how channel values map to enabling modes. You do that in Modes tab.

In modes tab you basically tell it "when AUX# channel is between X and Y, enable this mode, otherwise turn it off"

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in regards to incorrect channel mapping: on your radio, click the SYS button, page over to Radio Setup. Scroll all the way down, and verify that Mode is set to 2.

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@rapid marsh ^ you should start with this last message

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In mixes page you can see the channel order. First letters of channel names in order.
Aileron, elevon, throttle, rudder = AETR1234 in BF

outer snow
# gritty jewel To assign a switch to a channel, all you need to do is to go into the Mixes page...
VitroidFPV

In OpenTX, the default multirotor model only has the four main control channels mixed in; throttle, yaw, pitch, and roll. To get the radio to send the switch values as well, they need to be mixed in:

Go into the model setup, and page all the way to the mixers page

Scroll to the empty channel 5, and long press enter to make a new mix

You can o...

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:)

gritty jewel
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@outer snow put it into the knowledge under a topic like OpenTX/EdgeTX Setup

rapid marsh
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I think something happened to the original model I had on my TX16, I've created a new one, ensured the radio is on mode: 2
And have created a 5th channel for the arm button
Could I check a couple options with you all?

rapid marsh
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So my radio is no longer talking to the quad, in BF the input sticks no longer change anything and the reciever led is flashing, not solid like it was before

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I changed external RF in the model to.. CRSF? Is this right?

gritty jewel
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what radio & module have you got again?

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is it TX16S with internal ELRS or external (stuck in the back of it)?

rapid marsh
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TX16s and the module is ELRS, do you need the specific model?

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aye yes, build in a little box, stuck to the back

gritty jewel
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show a pic of your Internal/External RF

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settings on the radio

rapid marsh
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Internal is set to off

gritty jewel
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can you launch the ELRS tool?

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and send a pic

rapid marsh
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yeah

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Which part do you want to see?

gritty jewel
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on your radio, the expresslrs tool, just the top of it

rapid marsh
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ahh yes ok

gritty jewel
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hm, that's all cool

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which blinks is it doing?

rapid marsh
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Rapid, wifi mode

gritty jewel
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well, there's your answer then xD

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if you leave it disconnected from the radio for 1 minute after powerup, it will go into wifi mode

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just repower the receiver

rapid marsh
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Ahh

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okay sweet, I have a solid LED now

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but no response on BF when I flick switches, touch the sticks etc

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I have nothing in the inputs/ mixes tab on my roma model

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on the radio

gritty jewel
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well, there's your answer then xD

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copy a model that has some setup at least

rapid marsh
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Unfortunately I didn't save any of them

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Is there no template models available?

gritty jewel
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doesn!t it ask you during model creation?

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honestly I always avoided that by copying xD

rapid marsh
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I have the blank, personal, soarETX and WIZARD options

gritty jewel
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wzard?

rapid marsh
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looks like soal is for fixed wings, wizard uses lua to make models and personal I guess is if Ive saved any previously?

gritty jewel
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I usually recommend making themost basic pllane model

rapid marsh
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So should I start with one of the Soar models?

gritty jewel
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isn't there a wizard for a planemodel or something

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idk

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never did on on ETX

rapid marsh
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Oh yeah

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Glider , multirotoe or plane

gritty jewel
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use plane because multirotor usually have some bullshit in them by default

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you want no mixing, just one channel per everything

rapid marsh
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Assign throttle Channel

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CH3?

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is what is there current

gritty jewel
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thats fine

rapid marsh
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roll, ch1?

gritty jewel
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yep

rapid marsh
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pitch ch2

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yaw, 4

gritty jewel
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=AETR

rapid marsh
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sf - arm
beeper - SD
mode - SA

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those all correct?

gritty jewel
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those are up to you

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you just want ARM to be on CH5

rapid marsh
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ok

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Oh my mistake, I selected the wrong template, sorry

gritty jewel
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whatever

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just check the mixes 😄

rapid marsh
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Ok

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I have ch1 Rud ch2 Ele ch3 Thr ch4 Ail and I made a 5th for SF - arm

gritty jewel
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huh

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that's RETA

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I'm dumb

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lol

rapid marsh
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so I need to reorder them?

gritty jewel
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you just need to tell BF that they're in this order

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in Receiver tab, channel map

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RETA1234

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or you can reorder them

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your pick

rapid marsh
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Okay, updated to RETA1234 - and saved in bf

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I changed external RF to CRSF, I can now see the control inputs in BF

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Aux 1, ( SF ) goes from 1000 to 2000 when switched

gritty jewel
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set up an ARM mode for it

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and send a screenshot once you have it

rapid marsh
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On mixes, on the radio?

gritty jewel
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since you already see it in BF, the radio part is done

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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now you want to set up the BF part

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the Mode

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in Modes tab

rapid marsh
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Ok

gritty jewel
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that looks good to me

rapid marsh
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great!

gritty jewel
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realistically

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you should be able to disconnect usb (and batttery if connected)

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plug in battery

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and arm it

rapid marsh
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okay

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I'll try

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they spin!

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time to put the props on?

gritty jewel
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you should set up the other modes before you fly

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beeper, flip over after crash, angle (self-leveling) if you want it

rapid marsh
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yeah good idea, I will do that

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so fire I do those in the radio, then they will appear in modes tab on bf?

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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Okay

gritty jewel
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like, the modes are already there. You're setting up the channel ranges which activate them.

rapid marsh
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ahhh, I see

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Which switch would you normally use for beeper?

gritty jewel
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I usually set up one 3pos for flight modes and another 3pos for "rescue" modes (flip over, beeper)

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quick tip: don't put beeper on the middle position of a switch

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middle is the default when radio is not connected

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so it would beep on powerup

rapid marsh
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Ahh okay

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So SE for the rescues and SG for modes

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Not sure how to put turtle mode on the same channel

gritty jewel
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you're using only the Source

rapid marsh
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Oh okay

gritty jewel
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by assigning a 3pos to a channel, it will switch the channel between 3 values
1000, 1500, 2000

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so you set the 1500 position to flip over and 2000 to beeper (in BF)

rapid marsh
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okay! I'll plug back the quad in and tackle that now

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Changing the aux will change which switch the function is assigned to?

gritty jewel
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AUX3 in BF is the same as CH7 in radio Mixes

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so if you assigned the switch to CH7

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then you want to work with AUX3 in BF

rapid marsh
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ok thankyou 🙂

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Sorry... What is air mode?

gritty jewel
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you should havve it enabled permanently in BFC Configuration tab

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otherwise, you should have it on a switch where it's on by default

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you need it for the drone to fly correctly at low/zero throttle (falling)

rapid marsh
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okay , its on the same switch/aux as arm

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which flying modes do I want? Ive forgotten what they all mean

gritty jewel
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acro is the default state of betaflight

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angle mode is the stabilised one

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horizon is the one that we hate

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acro trainer is acro with max angle limits

rapid marsh
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okay so I won't bother with Horizon

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just acro and angle 🙂

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I don't see Acro in the list, would that mean it will be acro when not in Angle in that case?

rapid marsh
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OK, in that case I think I'm set, is there anything else you can think of that I may need to do?

gritty jewel
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check failsafe

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arm the quad, turn off the radio

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make sure that the drone turns off

rapid marsh
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Okay

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Is it possible to set a failsafe where the quad will go into an angle mode, with a certain amount of throttle so that it would safely decent if you lose signal?

gritty jewel
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that either drops onto you or flies away depending on the air pressure that day

rapid marsh
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Oh okay so not reccomended 🙂

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What range would I set for the failsafe?

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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sorry maybe I misunderstood, not the failsafe option in 'modes'?

gritty jewel
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no

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that's for manual triggering of failsafe, mostly for testing reasons

rapid marsh
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oh I see

gritty jewel
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failsafe is what happens when you lose signal

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that's why I'm telling you to arm and turning off the radio

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so that you simulate signal loss

rapid marsh
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Sorry I thought it was something I had to enable

gritty jewel
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np

rapid marsh
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yes! fail safe works

gritty jewel
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@rapid marsh you got your goggles?

rapid marsh
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yes sir

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theyve never been used

gritty jewel
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in Betaflight, Video Transmitter tab

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you should pre-configure stuff

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band, channel, power

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and then tune your goggles to the same band & chan

rapid marsh
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I dont see those options

gritty jewel
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OH

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wait

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you've got DJI haven't you

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me:

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DJI uses its own shit

rapid marsh
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yuuuhh

gritty jewel
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idk how to deal with DJI

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you're on your own with that

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can you show your Ports tab pls?

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just to check MSP

rapid marsh
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yeah

gritty jewel
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seems configured to me

rapid marsh
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Sweet 🙂

rapid marsh
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Hi all, I've just ran into a problem, while updating the dji goggles, and then the air unit. Going through that while rigmarole, I decided to put the props on and make sure it all still spins up,

I get the whole 'telemetry lost/ recovered' audio from my radio but I can no longer arm it, and when the quad is plugged into bf I see no control inputs in bf, what could be the reason for this? Btw I'm leaving for Norway tonight so please help me trouble shoot this as I want to take the drone desperately 😅

gritty jewel
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@rapid marsh hey, what's the receiver led doing?

rapid marsh
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The reciever is a solid amber

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Okay I've checked again , was solid last night but now it is slow blink, waiting for commectuon from transmitter

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External rf is set to crsf

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The radio module has a solid red led

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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we keep missing each otehr lol

rapid marsh
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Yoo sorry ik at work atm, should be back about 4

gritty jewel
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kk

rapid marsh
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No it doesn't, but I do get the audio queues when the quad is on/off

gritty jewel
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make sure that you didn't enable Model Match in ELRS Tools on the radio

rapid marsh
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Okay

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Will check that first when I get home

rapid marsh
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Off*

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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Yes it was

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I'm getting a slow flash with battery in

gritty jewel
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you can tag me if I'm not responding, I'm not watching here all the time

rapid marsh
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( not bound )

gritty jewel
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and the radio is on? 😐

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what did you change in between then and now?

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then being the last time it worked

rapid marsh
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Okay lets see.. I changed some of the aux's in BF

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I added angle mode

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And then I activated the air unit and the dji goggles

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and attempted to bind them

gritty jewel
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none of that should affect the receiver and stuff..

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does the receiver go into wifi mode?

rapid marsh
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No

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its solid when I plug the quad into a usb

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but flashes 2 times in 18 seconds when in a lipo

gritty jewel
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when you plug in a lipo, how many beeps do the motors make?

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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ill take one for you now

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I was def getting more beeps before, vid sending

gritty jewel
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check if you have a short on 5V anywhere

rapid marsh
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What is the tool I need for that

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I could run out and buy one

gritty jewel
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just check your wiring first

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wait

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check if your battery is charged @rapid marsh

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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RIP battery

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in our hobby, we call this "fucked"

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you might be able to recover it..

rapid marsh
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Ah

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Hiw did I fuck it ?

gritty jewel
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overdischarged

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emptied to heck

rapid marsh
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Oh shit

gritty jewel
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you see the individual cell readouts?

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those should never be below 3.2V

rapid marsh
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Well. I have 3 more

gritty jewel
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you've got 2 cells that are below 1V

rapid marsh
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Oh right

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Shit

gritty jewel
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idk what your charger allows. Some will let you use LiPo mode to fix this, some won't.

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But the battery probably lost most of its lifespan

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if not all of it

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it's like at -100%

rapid marsh
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Dayum

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So it would make sense that the issue I have now is down to a depleted battery?

gritty jewel
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plug a non-depleted one

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and see

rapid marsh
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the other 3 literally came in the post today

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would they be storage charged?

gritty jewel
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yeah

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+-

rapid marsh
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Okay

gritty jewel
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they usually come at 3.7-3.9V/cell

rapid marsh
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I just started charging one, is it safe to stop it already?

gritty jewel
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yeah

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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check the individual cell voltage display

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I can't be arsed to divide 😄

rapid marsh
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Okay so I have many more beeps on battery now

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A solid light

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"Telem recovered"

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But cannot arm

gritty jewel
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is the throttle all the way down?

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can you show Receiver tab in BF?

rapid marsh
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Yes... But when I turn the radio on it always gives me a throttle warning

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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the left

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I thought that was the only one it could be on tbh

gritty jewel
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and is it set to Mode 2 in Radio Setup?

rapid marsh
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I will check, lemme grab that sc real quick

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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wat the heck

rapid marsh
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in radip setup the mode = 1

gritty jewel
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why are all of the channels maxed out xD

gritty jewel
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if you have throttle on the left, it should be 2

rapid marsh
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OK

gritty jewel
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can you show me the inputs and mixes on your radio?

rapid marsh
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yea

gritty jewel
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what weirds me out is the fact that if the mode is wrong, the channel mapping should be too..

rapid marsh
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:/

gritty jewel
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does the channel mapping break if you change it to mode 2?

rapid marsh
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uhh sorry, my brain.. channel mapping?

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in the mixes?

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the screenshots were sent after I changed to mode 2

gritty jewel
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ok

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your radio sends numbered channels

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CH1-CHx

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Betaflight needs to know which channel is which input

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that's what channel mapping is

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If the radio puts CH1-4 = RETA, then BF needs to know that it's in fact RETA

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that's whta channel mapping is

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anyway

rapid marsh
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Oh okay

gritty jewel
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I'm asking you to check in BF

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if the correct channels still move

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when you move a corresponding stick

rapid marsh
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RETA1234 is what i have in bf

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however

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no channels move

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when I move sticks

gritty jewel
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the heck

rapid marsh
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right now, the model of the drone in BF is spinning like mad, when I turn the radip off, it stopps

gritty jewel
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the only thing this reminds me off is Model match

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you sure that that's off?

rapid marsh
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I do remember taking the module out of the TX16s, just unpluggled it, I replaced it almost immidiately, could that have done something?

gritty jewel
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did you unplug it while powered?

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well, if the ELRS tool works, then that shouldn't have done anything really

rapid marsh
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No

gritty jewel
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hmmmmmmmmmmm

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okay. Create a new model on the radio

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plane template

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most basic one

rapid marsh
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Ok

gritty jewel
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send pics if you need guiding

rapid marsh
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ok so the model has been created

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wizard - plane

gritty jewel
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show me the inputs and mixes

rapid marsh
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i've not changed anything in it yet

gritty jewel
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okay, go into Model Setup,
set Internal RF to OFF
External RF to CRSF

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and see if that changes how it behaves in BF

rapid marsh
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no change, does it need a power cycle?

gritty jewel
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try to power cycle everything

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then, in Betaflight Configurator, go to CLI tab
send this command: diff all

then press Save to file
and post the file here

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I may have to send you off to ELRS discord soon tho 😦

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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btw did you try to recalibrate sticks on your radio?

rapid marsh
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yeah I did

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I still get a throttle warning

gritty jewel
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wtf

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did something get screwed up on your radio? 😐

rapid marsh
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in hardware, radio settings - I have internal Rf - multi, External RF - normal?

gritty jewel
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that's normal I think

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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can you show the Hardware page?

rapid marsh
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yeah

gritty jewel
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I'm thinking like, did your radio SD card die or something? 😄

rapid marsh
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Can I check that somehow?

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see if my sd card reader reads it maybe?

gritty jewel
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aye

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ADC Filter should be off

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but that's not the issue

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the Inputs calibration works as expected?

rapid marsh
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the sd card is readable on my pc

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I didn't really have much of an expection tbh I've never done it before

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I followed a tutorial for the calibration

gritty jewel
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when it tells you to move the sticks in a certain way, do it in the physical sense

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disregard what you see on the screen

rapid marsh
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oh this is weird

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the little circles showing where the stick position is are in the corners

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I can't bring them back

gritty jewel
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well, that's the problem then

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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yeah

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okay

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the config somehow got wiped

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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that's new

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do you mind if we reset the radio config?

rapid marsh
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Do whatever you want man

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At this stage I'd sell a kidney to get this working

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my radio is your radio 😅

gritty jewel
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I'm wondering how you broke it tbh xD

rapid marsh
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I really wish I knew

gritty jewel
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@rapid marsh can you look for Factory Reset on the radio?

rapid marsh
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yes

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apparently I have to delete the radio and settings folders ont he SD card

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Should I proceed?

gritty jewel
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yeah just figured that out

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SD contents if you need them

rapid marsh
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in the same thread, the guy said he did exactly that and now his tx16s is 'trippin'

gritty jewel
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format the SD card

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in your PC

rapid marsh
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Okay

gritty jewel
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and put brand new SD contents on it

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into Scripts/Tools

rapid marsh
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sorry, I've never had to reformat an SD card before, I assumed I could just right click and click reformat, how do I do it?

gritty jewel
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are you using an SD reader?

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or radio USB?

rapid marsh
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SD card reader

gritty jewel
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and you're on windows?

rapid marsh
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yes

gritty jewel
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You should be able to Right click -> Format

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in This PC

rapid marsh
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shit, yeah my bad I missed it

gritty jewel
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FAT32, Default allocation size, quick format ON

rapid marsh
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ok, done it twice now as first time was only FAT

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Now it's completely empty, does it need to go back into the radip to load all of the files?

gritty jewel
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no, keep it in the reader

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the radio's USB is super slow

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download this, extract it onto your PC first, then copy the contents onto the SD

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don't extract directly onto the SD, that will be dog slow

rapid marsh
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OKay

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Done, and I drop the ELRSV3 lua into Firmware?

gritty jewel
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elrsv3.lua into Scripts/Tools

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show the root directory of the SD card too pls
(root directory = X:\ )

rapid marsh
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Done

gritty jewel
gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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after

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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ahh shit im dumb

gritty jewel
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ok once you fix that, slap it back into the radio

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and power it up

rapid marsh
rapid marsh
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Its loaded into the calibration page, same weird thing with the circles In the corners

gritty jewel
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you wouldn't have happened to like.. .drop the radio?

rapid marsh
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No not to my knowledge

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I broke a switch once, ever since replacing that I've been very careful with it

gritty jewel
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I'm so confused ffs

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o

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you've been inside of the radio before?

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then you should check the stick connectors

rapid marsh
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Okay

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Also, the elrs module is no longer illuminated

gritty jewel
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that's cause External RF is off

rapid marsh
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Ok

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I'll open her up

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The only reason I wanted to go to Norway..

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😅😅😅

gritty jewel
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are you already taking it apart?

rapid marsh
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I've just started

gritty jewel
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just wanted to ask - the inputs were always permanently stuck in the top right, even when you moved them to the bottom left?

rapid marsh
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Yes, no matter what I moved, they are static in the corners

gritty jewel
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and a dumb question

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did you press Enter (click the scroll wheel I guess) to start the calibration?

rapid marsh
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Yes

gritty jewel
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okay, we'll retry after checking HW

rapid marsh
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Waiiitt

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So, when the radio booted, it booted into that calibration mode

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I hit enter as normal, nothing

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So I entered through the stages fiddling with switches and sticks as i went

gritty jewel
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make a video of the calib 😄

rapid marsh
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I went into hardware to try again, sticks in the corner

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I moved them, and this time they bounced back

gritty jewel
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okay, do the calibration properly now 😄

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do what the radio asks you to do physically

rapid marsh
gritty jewel
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it's asking oyu to center the sticks

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so center them physically

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this means - just center the throttle

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the rest self-centers

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then press OK

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to get to the next step

rapid marsh
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Okay but should the circle go down to the bottom when I move the stick to the bottom ?

gritty jewel
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youll fix the range in the next step

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center the pots too btw

rapid marsh
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The pots are these..

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And the front facing knobs up top ?

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Okay, that's done

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Okay, changed external rf to cfrs

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I'm now seeing movement in bf

gritty jewel
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yess

rapid marsh
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Pitch roll and yawn at 1500 as it should

gritty jewel
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now read vitroids guide on setting up the mixes again

rapid marsh
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So was all that due to me fuxking up a calibration ?

gritty jewel
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idk

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it looked to me like a corrupt radio.yml file or something

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didnt wanna risk shit

rapid marsh
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Okay

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I don't suppose you pinned that guide?

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You told him to put it somewhere right?

gritty jewel
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In OpenTX, the default multirotor model only has the four main control channels mixed in; throttle, yaw, pitch, and roll. To get the radio to send the switch values as well, they need to be mixed in:

Go into the model setup, and page all the way to the mixers page

Scroll to the empty channel 5, and long press enter to make a new mix

You can o...

rapid marsh
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thankyou

gritty jewel
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afk, tag me if you need

rapid marsh
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I took out usb, plugged in a batt, and tried to arm but It did not arm, I am missing something

gritty jewel
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check throttle minimum

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check arm switch is on AUX1 and ON at 2000~

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in BF Setup tab, on right side, you can see arming disable flags

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try to arm and see what it tells you

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after unplugging usb you should replug power as well

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or it won't arm

rapid marsh
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it thinks the throttle is still not idle

gritty jewel
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how low does your throttle go in BF?

rapid marsh
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oh shit its the wrong order

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throttle is doing pitch

gritty jewel
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check the order in Mixes

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and replicate it in BF

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you should know how

rapid marsh
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OK I copied the order it says in the radio, but I still had to swap Throttle and Pitch in BF

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it seems fine now

gritty jewel
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oh btw

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check Mode

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in Radio Setup

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that isuaully swaps throttle and pitch 😄

rapid marsh
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ohhh ok 🙂

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im assuming the throttle should go down to 0 in BF?

gritty jewel
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in BF receiver tab, the stick ranges are 1000 to 2000

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BF by default uses 1050 to 1900 as its input range
but it requires the stick to be able to go below 1050 and above 1900 (to detect stick min and stick max)

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below stick min is necessary for arming

rapid marsh
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what is MSP? In arming disable flags

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throttle is going below 1000 but still giving me a throttle not idle warning when turning on radio

gritty jewel
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odd

rapid marsh
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okay

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problem solved

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I literally just had the motors spinning

gritty jewel
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make a backup of your radio's SD card lol

rapid marsh
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however now I'm trying to arm the quad

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I hear 3 loud beeps

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and nothing

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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arm

gritty jewel
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keep in mind that with configurator connected, or after having configurator connected, it will not arm until you power cycle it

rapid marsh
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if I try to arm with throttle on, it plays some strnage sequence of beeps

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Right so its arming now

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status

MCU F722 Clock=216MHz, Vref=3.28V, Core temp=42degC
Stack size: 2048, Stack address: 0x20010000
Config size: 3962, Max available config: 16384
Gyros detected: gyro 1
GYRO=MPU6000, ACC=MPU6000, BARO=BMP280
OSD: MAX7456
System Uptime: 36 seconds, Current Time: 2022-12-10T17:57:54.240+00:00
CPU:3%, cycle time: 125, GYRO rate: 8000, RX rate: 250, System rate: 9
Voltage: 2 * 0.01V (0S battery - NOT PRESENT)
I2C Errors: 1
SD card: Not configured
Arming disable flags: CLI MSP ARMSWITCH

gritty jewel
rapid marsh
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I believe so... tomorrow will be the big test.. tonight I flew around a small room, everything seemed to work as it should

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Wouldnt have been able to get anywhere near this stage without your help GGManiack. I'm sure it wasnt always easy trying to help me as I'm about as nooby as you can get. So thankyou. I really appreciate everything you've done to help me. Yoire a credit to this community!

Hopefully, I'll have some cool videos to share with you all this time next week