Objective idea: kill 500 Medics, earn 1000 Blue Coins

[weary elm]

I think it's a cool idea. As some people pointed out previously, the game needs new content and new objectives to accomplish, and they shouldn't be earned overnight. Players have to put effort into earning them. That's why they are achievements. In exchange for that, I suggest granting 1000 Challenge Coins (Blue Coins) to every player who manages to accomplish that goal.

Opposition to this suggestion is welcome.

Spoiler for Saber Interactive representatives: || There is absolutely no need to add this idea to your feedback collection, just let people express their opinions on this topic freely.||

[lethal vault]

Sorry about Sofia, she has an auto reply 😅,
All good now she won't bother

[weary elm]

'ey, why did you remove the bot's comment? It was fun, and it showcased that the bot has something to learn

[lethal vault]

Trust me, it's for your own good, people reply to her and think she's real amd so

She can provide guides and so, just not actively participate in discussions, I hope Saber will improve her

[weary elm]

@vagrant knoll what do you happen to dislike about this idea?

@supple valley @leaden beacon You can join this discussion, too

[vagrant knoll]

Sorry don't ping me for this thank you

[supple valley]

Come on, this is just bait in order you try to prove us something. There is no point in discussing such thing. We all expressed our opinions about the previous matter. Here.. it's just a joke, go ahead write something about how this goal is ruining the experience for some players like how it's ruining the melee goal for people like you.

The melee goal is a positive addition for the majority of people. Deal with it and move along or play something else.

I didn't even bother to answer you in the last time you asked me this but apparently you are too eager to present us your point of view or whatever.

I think we talked about everything in the last post, let it go.

[weary elm]

The melee goal is a positive addition for the majority of people. Deal with it and move along or play something else.

First of all, quoting someone who volunteered to moderate this form, "you are not allowed to switch subjects as if it's some type of food. You want to discuss, make separate posts for separate topics." If I am forced to follow this rule and have to make a whole new post just to discuss it, then you should follow the same rules as well and address the topic at hand. If you have something to add about the other discussion, leave a comment under that other post, please.

The melee goal is a positive addition for the majority of people. Deal with it and move along or play something else.

go ahead write something about how this goal is ruining the experience for some players like how it's ruining the melee goal for people like you.

Secondly, according to that moderator, you should keep critiques about the topic, not the person, and shall abstain from passive-aggressive behavior and assumptions implying that there is a degree of intentional ignorance of bad faith in my comment. Therefore, I would appreciate it if you ditched those unfounded personal attacks and stuck to the topic that's being presented here.

Your statement about "the majority of people" is not backed up by any meaningful data (it's a point that was repeatedly and dishonestly used to dismiss my points), and it's also not grounded in reality.

[weary elm]

There is no point in discussing such thing.

Come on, this is just bait in order you try to prove us something.

Yes, there is a point, and it's not up to you to decide for everyone. When you came to my other topic in order to disagree with me, I could have very well treated your opinion as "bait" or "trolling" because of how uneducated it was. Instead, I chose to engage in a productive discussion that involved active listening, meaning that I was on the lookout to see your input on that matter so that I could explain things to you better, hoping that you and other readers of the topic would learn something from it.

I didn't even bother to answer you in the last time you asked me

So you left the discussion, not just forgot about it or were too busy to reply. Essentially, you bailed out of it when you ran out of counterarguments.

I put time and effort into that discussion, even though I disagreed with what you were saying and considered some of your points short-sighted and uneducated, and I would appreciate it if you did the same in return, no matter how much you disagree.

In fact, if you have anything critical to say about this topic, say it, but treat it as if it's suggested seriously. Remember that I treated your points seriously, too.

[weary elm]

Sorry don't ping me for this thank you

Excuse me, no one forced you to leave a reaction to this post (meaning that you have something to add), and you chose to engage in the other discussion on your own accord. Don't bail out like that.

If you have anything critical to say about this topic, say it, but treat it as if it's suggested seriously. Remember that I treated your points seriously, too.

[vagrant knoll]

you're so desperate for attention gg

[lethal vault]

He's right, please keep discussions friendly, if it doesn't fit your interests, other might do

As long as the discussions don't have conflicts and rules violations, it's okay to do it

[vagrant knoll]

I'm afraid this opening post is a mockery of the previous thread where he compared having to perform melee kills to killing medics (teammates) for achievements. It goes completely contrary to anything I've told him and is pretty much disrespectful at this point to ping everyone to talk again. There is nothing to talk about here, much less to discuss. I'd appreciate it if you could just delete this thread.

[lethal vault]

I can't delete it since there's no warnings or violations.

But I can make a friendly warning for you to keep it friendly as much as possible.

And I can make one for him to not tag people forcing them to participate, even if they react, I do react to many things yet never engage.

[supple valley]

@weary elm
With all due to respect, I and some others that joined in this and the last conversation, we all learned something. Thank you for teaching us that you are too stubborn to acknowledge any other opinion besides yours.

Yes indeed, you put time and effort in your posts, no one doubted that, but I did as well in the other post as I do now.

I left the previous discussion as I will do to this for these exact reasons:

You opened up a subject where it's promoting game ruining such as killing medic team mates for whatever reason of yours.

I've repeatedly told you my opinion (regarding the melee goal) again and again but apparently it wasn't enough for you and it seems you didn't like that I had a different opinion than yours because you kept insisting on subjects where I had already answered you. Judging from your answer here you pretty much ignoring my so uneducated and short sighted opinions and just insisting on yours trying to teach us something. That doesn't seem very respectful for me.

At some point I realised trying to tell you my point of view and my thoughts was a waste of time because you would always find some counter-argument so I stopped because I had nothing else to offer to the discussion.

Lastly, yes I want to express myself to this objective idea. It's dogshit. Happy to contribute! And to clear things up, I do not intend to insult you in any way. But "bringing" me here to discuss such an anecdote matter since I bailed out (as you said) in the last time, is a bit too much.

That's all, please have fun.
-# consider this as my official bail out

[vagrant knoll]

I have no more to say in this topic then. I don't see any reason in getting pinged when the topic is already over, and I'm getting annoyed again for no reason.

Icebeam please do not reply or ping me again on this topic. Thanks

[weary elm]

No, it's absolutely not a mockery, it's meant to be a serious discussion. Can't yourself policing the thoughts of others, can you?

[weary elm]

But I can make a friendly warning for you to keep it friendly as much as possible.
Now, this warning was a correct one, since my topic is meant to be serious.

And I can make one for him to not tag people forcing them to participate, even if they react

I see nothing wrong tagging the vocal opponents from that discussion and reminding them that I am looking for their input. They had the motivation to argue with my points in that other topic, and I wasn't forcing them to.

Thank you for teaching us that you are too stubborn to acknowledge any other opinion besides yours.
Except that I engaged in active listening and was looking for your input, it's you who bailed out. Don't shift the blame onto me, please, it's quite dishonest to do so.

You opened up a subject where it's promoting game ruining such as killing medic team mates for whatever reason of yours.

Lastly, yes I want to express myself to this objective idea. It's dogshit.

Now, this is at least something. As I said, opposition is welcome.

So, here is at least one constructive attempt at criticizing this idea. It assumes that I am promoting something that qualifies as "game-ruining." I respectfully disagree here for the following reasons:

[vagrant knoll]

Please respect what I said here then

[weary elm]

1. I have well over 1,000 hours in this game at this point, and I have never, not once, seen a Medic get killed.

2. I have witnessed a few team kills and have been on the receiving end of them, but that was just a very small share of all matches that I played. I assume it wouldn't exceed 5% of all games that I've been in.

3. This point assumes that all team killing is bad. Some individuals would disagree with you and say that team killing can be done for the good of the team — to salvage the match, to get rid of a detrimental player, or to teach someone a lesson. All of them are means of influencing the behavior of other players.

4. This point assumes that my suggestion promotes behavior that's detrimental to the team functionality. I will counter this point by saying that those who engage in team-killing to actually harm the team or to troll have been doing it all this time regardless, and if this suggestion is implemented, those griefers and trolls would be doing it anyway.

5. It has to be pointed out explicitly, but there are team kills don't affect the outcome of the match. Some people actively practice them. When the match is almost finished, some players choose to engage in a PvP battle while they are in the safe zone. Who knows why? Maybe just for fun, or maybe they do it because it's incredibly tedious to get an actual PvP (the Multiplayer mode) game going.

6. Killing teammates is a an officially implemented feature, not a bug. Developers surely would have disabled it if they'd had issues with it, right? Yet they don't, hinting that it has a use. Players find multiple usages for it, and it would be good to have a progression bar and a reward for this activity.

[lethal vault]

Escalating this further will count as a violation and I'll tak action to nuke all this beautiful effort and time being spent,

Take my warnings seriously and please just don't question things, mods don't do what they usually do for any personal reasons at all.

If they ask for not tagging, you just accept and move on,

Everyone keep things friendly

No more wantings after this message

If you see things disappear or timeouts, this will be the reason

Anyone not interested please leave the thread alone, anyone with something to say please make it friendly and constructive

[weary elm]

Take my warnings seriously and please just don't question things, mods don't do what they usually do for any personal reasons at all.
I have been playing games for a long time, and I have witnessed many cases of moderators abusing their power and genuinely believing that:

1. Admin/moderator is always right.
2. If you think that the admin/moderator is not right, see point #1.

I strongly disagree with this approach, as it's incredibly one-sided and prone to be abused. To back up my claim, I will bring up a message of one person I consider to have been more professional in managing his community than a lot of others, Tansien, the founder of the DayZero mod for DayZ mod, which was regarded as the mod to enjoy lots of PvP, PUBG-like gameplay, back when PUBG didn't exist.

When Tansien was asked why he was so picky about server admins and why wouldn't he assign more of them since he didn't have enough spare time to look after his servers more thoroughly, he said something along the lines if:

Every single person trusted with admin privileges has abused them. We had to take those rights away from some of them for continued abuse of power and arbitrary decisions. This is why I am concerned. I don't want DayZero to be known for unprofessional managers.

This is what an honest admin does, instead of siding with the more privileged side and covering up their deeds, answering to no one.

The humanity at large acknowledges that unchecked power with no transparency to it is bad and strives to build mechanisms of holding people in power accountable so that they don't abuse their power.

The people should have the right to criticize and give feedback about moderation, as a regular user is in a less privileged position than a moderator. This difference, "less/more privileged position," is acknowledged in jurisprudence, and one such example of it from everyday life, that many are probably familiar with, is customer-seller relationship and the right to return purchased goods or complain about the quality of service received by a member of an organization.

If they ask for not tagging, you just accept and move on,

I pinged Purr Nyan just once for the last response and stopped pinging after that, so I see no issues here.

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Back on topic, though, there is at least one example of a player (that's not me) with lots of hours who considers himself a veteran of this game and would approve of this suggestion. So I am not making things up.

[night comet]

[lethal vault]

I don't care about that dude, any further violation in any sort will have an action, if you guys have some type of beef against each other, solve it in DMs please, this being said
Discussions here remain friendly and appropriate, not just accusing each other of things and going non-stop