Unreal Engine 5.7

[shrewd dagger]

I think Unreal Engine 5.7, either now or as a future update, is a good idea. It's especially useful for working on open worlds and is supposedly much easier to use than previous version.

https://youtu.be/TDGujnN_PN0?si=6tSVqkzXw7pcYGvi

[dry spade]

Facial animation would be useful.

Everything else seems like just to show offfor Trailers and would never work on more than 15 fps in Full Game.

Those preview builda graphica look incredible but ii assume they will never work in game. They were there when UE5 released

[clear kayak]

Problem is: when you update the engine build all sorts of stuff can break, from quests to graphics. What that means is if they updated now they would basically revert the project to alpha and need to redo all the testing and polishing, meaning another 6+ month delay.

[ember python]

Plus they have the world done already. They are most probably focusing on implementing the facial animations since its not done yet, and polishing the AI and other small stuff for release. Maybe for G2 Remake hopefully

[clear kayak]

For G2R I believe they will do some calculations on what is cheaper: all the man hours spent adjusting to the new engine and fixing issues with assets and what not, or paying the SpeedTree license. Also the overall engine bugs which they have to work around.

They will also take into account the performance of Speed Tree vs the performance of the new tree system in UE, as G2 is notoriously forest-y and there's no point in making a G2 which runs at 30FPS on high-end systems.

And on top of this maybe dozens of things which don't even cross my mind.

[lean fossil]

No, it would be a shame if it wouldnt get implemented for Gothic 1 - after release.

"They have done the world already"

Yea, Ark Raiders did their game already, but they change from 5.5 to 5.7, too.
Because they love their game and are proud to deliver to the community

https://wccftech.com/ue-5-7-is-close-to-a-magic-bullet-for-performance-says-ark-developer-though-it-wont-fully-eliminate-stutters/

Quote from Ark Raiders Lead: "When the game came out, it didn't run very well. It still doesn't run as well as it should, frankly, but we're up about 50% performance-wise over the initial release of the game on the same hardware."
This is the type of honesty and passion for performance i want to experience with Gothic 1

Not for Gothic 2, not for Gothic 3, but the first game

And be it with a future upgrade

I want to hear them say "sorry that we couldnt increase performance by 50% until release, but we're working hard on Patch 1.1 which will deliver the UE 5.7 upgrade"

Why?
Because that’s what awesome studios do. (See interview above)

[clear kayak]

Now that I think about it, I believe there is a chance of them implementing 5.7 post-release from a mod-kit perspective. They stated during the last PGA that the mod-kit will be the focus post-release. Right now the mod-kit would need to license speedtree for the vegetation, which is an extra-cost, but with the new tree generation UE supports, then that would make modding a lot easier from a financial point of view.

[turbid sparrow]

Yeah i agree i think that's will be great if they update the game after the release

[clear kayak]

Although to be realistic... there isn't any guarantee. Maybe they already have the SpeedTree license paid for the modding kit and their efforts would be better placed in starting work on G2R so we can get that as soon as possible

[lean fossil]

G1 is my favorite game. How they deal with it will determine if i spend any money on their Games again. Bad optimization and no care after release will be a no-go for me

I know that many ppl cant wait for G2, and would be happy enough with G2 having better optimization. I m not one of them

[turbid sparrow]

yes I agree with this too, after all working on the second one should take less time, maybe 3 years or less

[turbid sparrow]

It took PB a year and a half to develop the 2 but when it came out it had a lot of problems so I think taking at least 2-3 years isn't excessive

[clear kayak]

Well, based on what we saw until now, I am 100% sure they will fix all bugs post-release. New features? Who knows, not likely anyway, but fixing and polishing will be their main objective next to bringing us a cool mod-kit.

[clear kayak]

Considering they are now at 60 people, starting production on g2 with 60 people and growing up to 100-120 would be awesome. I am sure G2 will come a lot quicker.

PB never bothered growing past 30.

[turbid sparrow]

That's true but the game at the release After 1 year was full of bugs

Can you immagine Khorinis?

for me it will be incredible

[clear kayak]

For me too if they decide to implement at least a quarter of the suggestions I have ready for them

[hybrid nest]

Here is a comparison between 5.4 and 5.7

https://youtu.be/S2Yi64DcooY?si=fbhIF7o5r_tjcOFW

[turbid sparrow]

Okay interisting

The light effect is better

[ember python]

yes i agree with you, however updating to 5.7 NOW means AT LEAST extra 3-6 months of wait time before release. i dont trust those claims for "up to X times more fps with this new engine version" since its different from game to game. for example gothic might get 30% more performance or it might only get 5%. so yeah, post release patch, i m all up for it. but personally i wouldnt wait for another half a year for the release. i've worked in unreal before and i m sure 90-95% of it will work just the same just by ONLY updating to 5.7 but to take full advantage of 5.7 features they need to change lots of stuff which will then NEED bug testing. and with the performance.. i know what you mean and know the state of most games nowadays is crappy performance wise, but i feel like sometimes people just expect to have entry-mid tier pcs at best and be able to play the newest games at over 60fps ultra, considering that graphics are advancing faster than gpus. i for one have a ryzen 9 3950x and a rx 6600 (non xt) and the performance in the demo was acceptable for me. i cant be delusional and expect parts which are 3-5 years old already to give me more than 45-55 fps at medium settings in a new game at 1440p ultrawide. even if the game will be more taxing (which im sure will be), i can always just go to 1080p.