[Solved] Help fixing extra loot not dropping from sequential ItemLotParam_map entries

[deft gust]

Hi all,

So I searched the discord and saw from multiple posts by @glad trellis that when you want loot to drop an extra item, duplicate said item, then sequentially increase the ID while keeping the same Item Acquesition Flag.

One of the ones I was working with is:

ItemLotParam_map 1038480100 Shabriri's Woe

I duplicated it, increased the ID to 1038480101, changed my Item ID and Item category to match, and made sure the Item Amount and Item Chance were correct.

I tried this out with multiple item lots, but it's not working. I'm sure I'm missing something here, but looking for solutions from past questions about the topic, I didn't see anything about this.

Anyone able to help figure out what might be going wrong?

As always, thank you all for any help you can give!

[granite bear]

Can you show a screenshot of the values located in 1038480101

[deft gust]

Absolutely!

[glad trellis]

had you already picked up the -100 item?

[deft gust]

no, but I do have it as an option in Kale's shop currently for testing reasons

I've been using the debug tool, starting fresh characters, and warping to their locations to pick them up. The vanilla item is there, but not the extra loot

[glad trellis]

hmm

that's a custom item, right?

can you try a vanilla item just to be sure?

[deft gust]

yeah, a duplicated and altered version of a somber smithing stone. And yes, great idea, thank you! I'll go test that out real quick

[glad trellis]

I would also make 100% sure that your param changes are actually being applied, in general

cause yeah, nothing else jumps out to me

in theory it's very simple

[deft gust]

Yeah, the items and their edits have been appearing in game any time I edit their params, the text, etc. this seems to be the only issue I'm having.

I thought it was a simple thing too!

[brazen nymph]

Dumb question but are you sure you're mod is loading?

[deft gust]

100%. it's in my inventory on my test characters, it's in kale's shop, and any changes I make to the params are available on hot reload and cold load.

[brazen nymph]

Can you even get 2 items from a lot if its a shop item?

Seems like that wouldnt be possible

Can you test it with flicking the aquisition flag to 1 in debug tool to see if you get both

[glad trellis]

oh

I missed the bit about shop

[deft gust]

Oh sorry, I meant that I edited Kale's shop using PC's guide and that's working out great, and when the item is in my inventory it's working just fine

[glad trellis]

oh

ok lol

cause yeah shops don't even use itemlots

[deft gust]

But when I try to add a sequential item to a lot out in the world, it's not adding to it.

I CAN edit an existing item with them and it's just fine. As in, replace the vanilla item

[glad trellis]

did it still not work with a differen item?

[deft gust]

those appear and pickup and work great

sorry, was responding, trying it now!

[glad trellis]

not that I think that should be a factor, considering what you've said

but idk, just to rule out stuff

[deft gust]

oh definitely. loading in and warping now

[brazen nymph]

I'd test the flag too

[glad trellis]

yeah, was gonna say

I understand it's just the vanilla item flag tho

which is fine, the same acquisition flag can be shared by all chained items

but maybe try changing it just in case

[brazen nymph]

i meant as in flicking it to 1 seeing if both items drop

[glad trellis]

to 0

[brazen nymph]

if not then its either the item or the lot not working

[glad trellis]

if you set it to 1 neither would :p

acquisition flag means "this item has already been obtained"

but setting it to 0, yeah

[brazen nymph]

uhh well the flag to get it

that what i meant

[glad trellis]

it's just a pickup in the world

I have a whole ass mod centered around adding items to existing pickups so yeah, this really should not be complicated

quite puzzling

[brazen nymph]

didnt say anything

[glad trellis]

wasn't my intention lol

just clarifying!

[brazen nymph]

ik :p

[deft gust]

okay, so this is REALLY weird now....

I had 2 items right next to each other with the extra loot of the item:

In the Purified Ruins, the shabriri grape, and the chest with the two finger heirloom.

So I removed the extra loot from the heirloom and replaced it with a regular smithing stone, while keeping the custom item as extra loot on the shabriri grape.

All the sudden, the custom loot worked on the shabriri grape, and the extra smithing stone appeared on the heirloom!

No other change than that. I don't understand

why would the custom item still appear on the item right next to it with that change.

[glad trellis]

uhhhhhh

let me take a look at smithbox lmao

[deft gust]

I'm gonna warp to the other locations to see if those custom extra loots are still available

other items are working now too.

[glad trellis]

were you restarting the game after making changes in smithbox before?

if not, did you do it now?

[deft gust]

So maybe something is bugged with the chest that contains the two fingers heirloom in the purified ruins?

I restarted a couple times throughout the process, and the changes I made just now were hotloads

[glad trellis]

ok, just making sure because new rows can't be hot reloaded

but changes to existing rows can

[deft gust]

totally makes sense. I don't know, but I think for now I'll avoid the heirloom and see if everything else works fine? I feel like this is an error on my end of some kind, I just don't know what...

[glad trellis]

I can't see anything special about the two fingers heirloom

and chests don't have any special behavior in this sense

[deft gust]

Maybe I screwed something up along the way? I mean, I am pretty green still with souls modding. I just wish I knew what the problem was. I guess if it happens again I'll try to update?

Thank you guys again for the help lol

[glad trellis]

pretty sure there is something else going on and the change in behavior is unrelated to your changes

a lot of the time it's completely dumb stuff

but yeah, do tell if you find anything else weird

[deft gust]

The fact that we can mod any of this with such scrappy tools is a miracle to me, so I'll take the weird hiccups as long as we get such an awesome community to help out.

I appreciate the brainpower!

🙏