(SOLVED) why are my weapons misssing the visual effect from the buffs (rakuyo)

[vernal frigate]

why are my weapons misssing the visual effect from the buffs (rakuyo)

[winged scroll]

i geuss this has to do with dummypoly

are u using normal buff in the speffectparam?

those normal buffs has an vfx thats referenced in the speffectvfxparam and in there you can assign the dummypolies for where the buff starts and ends

[vernal frigate]

yes. i tried every grease and miracle buff for the weapon and every buff doesnt appear on he 3rd model.

[vernal frigate]

and what dumypoly should i use? in dsanim i saw a few dumypolys but iirc, they didnt work

i tried to do a custom buff but it didnt worked at all

i mean

the new custom buff was the same thing

[winged scroll]

hmm

does normal twinblades always has the effect on both sides?

[vernal frigate]

yes. they have on both blades the effect

should i change the flver file that am using for the weapons?

[winged scroll]

this trickweapon has the same dummypolies as a twinblade?

[vernal frigate]

the first model (twinblade) no

every model has the same dumypolys

[winged scroll]

should be yeh

[vernal frigate]

the rakuyo - twinblade share the same dumypolys from the tiny dagger (2nd model) and the long blade (3rd model)

[winged scroll]

since if i use a dagger and it doesnt have both sides affected by the buff

there should be smth

maybe it's recognized as a dagger or sword?

try making the weapon be

[vernal frigate]

oh

[winged scroll]

im speculating idk if this does smth

[vernal frigate]

i put the weapon on greatsword category

[winged scroll]

yo btw dont do 10300 do 300

try it like that

do one for 300

and one for 301

[vernal frigate]

why?

wait

[vernal frigate]

should i try that before i do the other things?

[winged scroll]

yeh

[vernal frigate]

okay

lemme try it

[winged scroll]

it should not rlly matter actually

but try adding 310 or 10310

[vernal frigate]

ah

[winged scroll]

i use this as reference this is the sfx for the tail on twinblade

[vernal frigate]

look, i dont remember when i put those ids

all of them are wrong, right?

[winged scroll]

wait

did you change them before or?

[vernal frigate]

yes

[winged scroll]

this is the normal twinblade trail

trail has nothing to do with buff

[vernal frigate]

i was trying to get the weapon trail appear en in game but i didnt make it

[winged scroll]

i see

like a custom one or default one?

[vernal frigate]

a custom one

[winged scroll]

ooh i got smth for u one sec

[vernal frigate]

the default only appears when the weapon is on 1H (1st model)

[winged scroll]

https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/4182?tab=description

i see

btw

your trick weapon has your dagger on the left hand

normally buffs dissapear when you switch hand

with this trickweapon can you one hand your dagger and try the buff?

[vernal frigate]

nope

1H has the first model that can be called a twinblade

[winged scroll]

so what happens when you goto your left hand

i see

[vernal frigate]

but when you get into 2H, you get the dagger in the left hand and use the hitbox from the ornamental sword

[winged scroll]

i see

[vernal frigate]

and the 3rd model its the blade without the tiny dagger. so can be called a "katana"

[winged scroll]

it's pretty cool but the buffs are pretty weird

[vernal frigate]

and the 1st model (twinblade or dagger+katana) goes away

[vernal frigate]

yup

[winged scroll]

cuz one model has 2 weapons actualy

[vernal frigate]

if i apply the froze buff or the holy buff, all the models will change the color

[winged scroll]

while one weapon is buffable

[vernal frigate]

u know

magic buff turns the weapon into a blue thing

holy buff tuns the weapons into a yellow thing

[winged scroll]

thats cool

automaticly or

[vernal frigate]

but the effects doesnt appear

[winged scroll]

ooh

[vernal frigate]

like the blue fire from the magic buff or the yellowish thing from the holy buff

[winged scroll]

you tried testing on all 3 models

[vernal frigate]

and if you put fire buff of blood+fire buff, the weapon will have the problem from the other 2 buffos that i put in the beginning

[vernal frigate]

nope

i mean

i tried every model in a different weapon

and it works

the long blade in right hand and the dagger in left hand on different weapons works as it should be

same if i put the long blade model and the dagger model in the ornamental sword (that uses 2 models when u are 2H)

[winged scroll]

most buffs arent stackable

it has a priority

[vernal frigate]

i know. the blood+fire buff its that buff from mog but i dont remember the name

[winged scroll]

i know what you mean

like the ash of war thing of the cursed sword

[vernal frigate]

here as you can see. when i put the buff on the ornamental sword (this weapon has 2 models) the visual efffect works good

[winged scroll]

wait one sec

i have read the questions wrong

[vernal frigate]

oh

[winged scroll]

i thought u were talking about twinblade not having both sides an effect

but le me see

[vernal frigate]

thats another problem but i care more about the 3rd model

[winged scroll]

3rd model is katana?

or dagger + katana

[vernal frigate]

yes

[winged scroll]

aight

[vernal frigate]

3rd model = katana
2nd model = dagger
1st model = katana + dagger

[winged scroll]

i see that the buff is switching from 1st model katana to dagger

idk man

[vernal frigate]

uh oh

[winged scroll]

maybe because you use the ornamental moveset

both blades needs to have the same sword category ?

idk man

or maybe the dual wielding option needs to be checked

[drifting sandal]

When you have a weapon in both hands if this is counted as a dual weapon ->
R-Hand is 10300
L-Hand is 11300

If you have multiple Vfx IDs applying to a same weapon ->
Each Vfx ID needs to account for dummy space used by others
Ex : Vfx ID 1 uses EnchantStartDmy 1 an 2
Vfx ID 2 uses EnchantStartDmy 3 and 4
Vfx ID 3 uses EnchantStartDmy 3 and 4

This way everything can occur without rewriting the others.

Also in SpEffect ID make sure that these effects are set to ->
WeaponChangeParam 0 All

[winged scroll]

our hero is here @vernal frigate

[vernal frigate]

oh

wahoo

thank you my lord

this is good?

[drifting sandal]

https://streamable.com/63nimk
This trick also permits multi effect enchants

Ex : Fire = EnchantStartDmy 1 -> 10300
Lightning = EnchantStartDmy 2 -> 10300
Etc...

[vernal frigate]

oh

oh ho

[drifting sandal]

But for single effect across more than 1 vfx ID simply offset each new vfx ID by 2 in EnchantStartDmy 1 -> 10300 EnchantStartDmy

[vernal frigate]

i have to change this value to 0, right?

wepparamchange

[drifting sandal]

Sec ill show you

[vernal frigate]

okay

i will test the change on speffectvfx

idk what have i done but it seems that the buff on the 1st model its double

cuz the buff on the left hand seems normal but the buff on right hand (1H) glows a lot

i tried this config:

here as you can see. the dumypoly 12300 belongs to the 3rd model but somehow, the game doesnt load the visual buff effect

[drifting sandal]

https://streamable.com/2nzx4v
position 1 = EnchantSfxStart 0 and 1 = A Dual Weapon Setup
position 2= EnchantSfxStart 1 and 2 = Single or Dual Weapon Setup or a Weapon 2 Handed
position 3 = EnchantSfxStart 3 and 4 = 2 Different Weapons 1 in Each Hand or a Weapon 2 Handed

For Dual Weapons Dmy ID is 10300 Right and 11300 Left
For 1 Dif Weapon in Each Hand Dmy ID is 10300 Right and 20300 Left

Leave All EnchantSfxEnd to -1

You can see in the vid that I leave empty spaces with each new vfx ID I change
Vfx ID 1 = No Skipped Slots
Vfx ID 2 = 2 Skipped Slots (0 and 1)
Vfx ID 3 = 4 Skipped Spaces (0, 1, 2 and 3)

[drifting sandal]

Unless you created a custom DummyPoly 12300 does not exist

[vernal frigate]

how?

then, why dsanim show that dumypoly?

or its from the player that dummy?

uhm, now am missing the buff on the left hand

uh oh

[drifting sandal]

I dont know it could be for Bones or whatever other model
Valid Player Dmy ID For Weapons Are ->
10100-10110-10120-10130 Right Hand - for Specific Placement on Blade and 10300 Right Hand For Full Blade
20100-20110-20120-20130 Left Hand - for Specific Placement on Blade and 20300 Left Hand For Full Blade
11100-11110-11120-11130 Left Hand (DualWeapon) - for Specific Placement on Blade and 11300 Left Hand (DualWeapon) For Full Blade

[vernal frigate]

should i try to use another flver from other weapon?

[drifting sandal]

When effect defaults on your body its because Dmy ID is invalid

[vernal frigate]

cuz am actually using the same flver file for every model (ornamental sword)

u know, maybe using an actuall twinblade flver or katana flver

[drifting sandal]

you can do all of this easily Via Params without ever opening DsAnim once. As far as the enchants part goes

ill create a example for you and record a vid be back in 5

[vernal frigate]

okay

thanks mate

🫡

ill be doing an experiment just in case trying a new flver file with different dumypolys

[drifting sandal]

https://streamable.com/uchnpx

Single Weapon -> Dmy ID 10300 - Nothing Else - 1st Ex in Video
Dual Weapon -> Dmy ID 10300 and 11300 - 2nd Ex In Video
DualBlade -> Dmy ID 10300 and 10310 - 3rd Ex In Video
2 dif Weapons, 1 in each hand -> Dmy ID 10300 and 20300 - 4th Ex In Video

[vernal frigate]

When i use the regular ornamental sword it works cuz the model for the right hand its the same 1H on 2H. the model from the Left hand doesnt loose the effects. the model for the Right hand on 2H its another different model from the Right 1H. so, using the same dummy from Right hand 1H will work on Right hand 2H?

Assuming Right hand 1H use model #1 and Right hand 2H use model #3

Or i must use 10310 on Right hand 2H?

it seems that the effect doesnt apply 2 times in the same hand (Right hand 1H) but it isnt still appearing

[vernal frigate]

@nocturne meadow sorry if i bother you with the ping but, i saw ur mod from the rakuyo and thought you can help me with this 😦

[nocturne meadow]

Dummy poly issues in flver
I forgot how i exactly did it but iirc I just copy dummy poly 300-303 for the katana and dagger and renamed it, then use those new dummy poly for the buff

[vernal frigate]

how did u rename the poly?

wait a sec

so

i think i made the same like you

i got the long blade model with dummypolys and the dagger

then i put them in blender, i cut a little from the dagger to make them look good and i join both of the weapons

and then i put them in a new flver

what are the dummypolys that make the visual effects happen?

[nocturne meadow]

It's dummy poly 300

[vernal frigate]

and if put a dummypoly on the long blade, what should be the "name"?

310

320

10300

20300

or what?

[drifting sandal]

Right hand 10300 is full blade for 1Hand or 2Hand

10310 is for Dual-Blade second half

[vernal frigate]

full blade with dagger its the 1H

[vernal frigate]

so, i have to do a 10310 poly on the 3rd model for the right thing on 2H?

[drifting sandal]

For TwinBlades ->
10300 = Front Half TwinBlade
10310 = BackHalf TwinBlade

For DualWeapons ->
10300 = RightHand Dual-Weapons
11300 = LeftHand Dual-Weapons

For all other weapons ->
10300 = 1Hand Right and 2Hand Right
20300 = 1Hand Left and 2Hand Left

[vernal frigate]

okay. ill be trying that

its chocotaving time

[vernal frigate]

uhm. i tried what Mckenyu said. copying and renaming the dummypoly doesnt seems to work with me

[vernal frigate]

i will try renaming all the dummypoly 3XX

with 5XX

or 4XX

[vernal frigate]

i tried to rename the dumypolys to 4XX

5XX

6XX too

but this thing just doesnt work

it may be a bug from the 3rd model into the flver?

nah. i dont understand whats going up

ah

maybe i found the reason

what are for the bones attach index?

cuz the 3rd model has -1 on every dummypoly

[vernal frigate]

i tried this

#elden-ring-modding message

but i didnt worked

[vernal frigate]

even if i put the 3rd model in the 4rd model slot, doesnt seems to do something

[vernal frigate]

(SOLVED) why are my weapons misssing the visual effect from the buffs (rakuyo)

i used the dumypoly 111 for vfx on right weapon even if the model is the 0, 1, 2 or 3

cuz it seems that the dumypoly 111 will be always on the right hand weapon

however, the dumypoly has a weird rotation so you have to rotate the vfx

and it need to be a model cuz otherwise, it wont work and the vfx will be only in the dumypoly 111

the rotation on the model can be made on fxr or in the flver file. you just have to import the model before you save the flver file and boala

also, i want to share something that i found

the material of the Moonlight GS buff doesnt seems to need weight painting but if you use another material (mtd-e iirc for example) the model will just go brrrr