Wanted to creat a place to continue help conversation about my mod without cluttering the main chat
#[ER] Bow Mod
fallow rune
What
foggy compass
didnt want to clutter the main chat
fallow rune
What’s the issue
foggy compass
working on finishing the first of many spells in the mod im building, just need to fix the bow model/texture issue. Jenova was helping me and i wanted to move out of the main chat as others were asking about new stuff
didnt want to drown them out
tagged u and Gen as you guys helped me a lot too
foggy compass
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10-4 one sec
line 841 is in the middle of something not a new property
foggy compass
the example that Jenova linked showed a vector4 and i cant find one in that fxr
i have already recolored this sfx but the main bow frame doesnt change color and i thought it was a texture as i found a ref for one
gentle notch
old witchy converter
fallow rune
Updaaaaaate
gentle notch
weird, property seems to be changed by the tool
fallow rune
Jenova
gentle notch
nah, then I can no longer convert my old ones
fallow rune
i have already recolored this sfx but the main bow frame doesnt change color and...
Where the texture reference in the xml
I have a whole guide for this
Literally for this
foggy compass
i followed the guide homie
gentle notch
no texture referenced on the model
foggy compass
fixed all but the boe frame
gentle notch
and color isn't in the matxml (or atleast I don't think so)
foggy compass
Where the texture reference in the xml
one sec
fallow rune
Then how did he recolor
fallow rune
and color isn't in the matxml (or atleast I don't think so)
I fucking hope not
I don’t even want to think about that
But I also made a tutorial for that
Matbins can eat shit and die
gentle notch
Then how did he recolor
with the tool but it doesn't take effect
foggy compass
#tools-and-resources message
foggy compass
i used that to reolor the fxrs in question
fallow rune
I don’t use that based on principle
Regardless
The 605 doesn’t have a texture reference?
foggy compass
i liked it for the batch nature of its editing
605?
this is all the files i have had to mess with to recolor the bow
it uses a LOT of fxs
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foggy compass
idk, i was told that the model would come into play as i tried to recolor the textures and point at them instead of the og texture
fallow rune
idk, i was told that the model would come into play as i tried to recolor the te...
Look at all the reslists for the fxr
Find the model that way
foggy compass
i found them, cloned them, recolored the clones, then changed the .tif to point at the new cloned recolor
didnt find a flvr that i am aware of
fallow rune
Then you don’t have the correct fxr
foggy compass
was told that the texture wasnt loading do to a model not being called that sees the texture i made
foggy compass
okay ill look
gentle notch
Take effect?
uh.....yeah? It is not applied in the game is what I am saying. What is the question about 
foggy compass
just checked none do
fallow rune
uh.....yeah? It is not applied in the game is what I am saying. What is the ques...
What
Then how do we have footage of it
gentle notch
that is with the old color
gentle notch
605 doesn’t
it is 10015, used for all glowing spawned sfx weapons
fallow rune
Oh
Still should be in reslist
The texture for the now exists unless rayan lying to me
foggy compass
start to finish for recolor:
Found all fxr files associated with original spell
cloned them with new IDs and edited the unpacked fxr for each to change the ID inside
Then changed the referenced SFX in the TAE file to point at the new fxr files that are recolored
fallow rune
fallow rune
start to finish for recolor:
Found all fxr files associated with original spell...
How do you know you found them all
Unless you went through every fxr.xml I don’t believe you
foggy compass
these two i changed also
i did go through them all looking by action 132 search as u directed me to
fallow rune
If you changed the texture ID, you’ll have to edit the path through flver editor
fallow rune
i did go through them all looking by action 132 search as u directed me to
Good man
foggy compass
the textures at this point are irrelevant unless that becomes nessicary
fallow rune
Still, should be a flver
fallow rune
the textures at this point are irrelevant unless that becomes nessicary
They are necessary, I don’t understand what you mean
The model is colored by those textures
foggy compass
so part of the bow visual aspect of the spell IS a model? and thereby needs a texture to recolor?
fallow rune
I thought that was already figured out?
gentle notch
these two i changed also
how are these textures referenced on the model...
fallow rune
so part of the bow visual aspect of the spell IS a model? and thereby needs a te...
The second aspect is not always true
It def looks like a model
gentle notch
I thought that was already figured out?
yes, model ID is 88640, the textures have the corresponding ID
fallow rune
Just change the original spell for now
fallow rune
Change the original files instead
fallow rune
You must change the file path via flver editor to get these to work
fallow rune
Change the original files instead
I mean, if we are unsure
I’m pretty sure I got it all figured out
foggy compass
the goal of all of it is to make a stand alone spell that doesnt replace the original spell
fallow rune
the goal of all of it is to make a stand alone spell that doesnt replace the ori...
Ok then edit it flver 
foggy compass
so changing the original isnt an option for my goal
fallow rune
so changing the original isnt an option for my goal
But it’s a step for proof of concept
foggy compass
okay can do
fallow rune
Basically, this is what your issue is as I see it:
foggy compass
idea atm is clone a new model and then "assign" the new texture, then call the new model ya?
fallow rune
-you have not located the fxr that uses the model
-you must change the fxr.xml to reference the new model id
-you must edit that paths for the models textures to the new textures using flver editor
You must get each of those to work
So do step 1 first
Find the reslist with the flver
foggy compass
526260 (has ref)
526262
526263
526264
526265
526267 (has ref)
526268
526269
526270 (has ref)
526271
526273
526275 (has ref)
526278
526282
526284
526287
526289
this was a notepad i kept while looking through the fxrs
ill start looking gotta afk tho
brb
I have an idea
The original texture ref I found may have been a MODEL ref instead, and I just thought it was a texture ref
what is a .sib file?
fallow rune
Hrm maybe it’s the model file, whoops
Sib is a developer file name, we don’t use it
Let me check quick
Sorry my fault, that is the model
foggy compass
foggy compass
ran a find in files against the ENTIRE common effects
there are 6 xmls in 7167 that ref that number which is the model
correction
2 of those are the recolor clones of mine
so it's :
526260
526265
632560
632566
the last 2 i have not cloned
fallow rune
I don’t know what 7167 is but
foggy compass
6 search hits in 7167 files checked
fallow rune
Now for the fxrs that use the model, search the fxr.xml and replace the vanilla model id with your new one
Do that
foggy compass
632560
632566
these two are anomolies
they show blank on the master list of fxrs and have not been cloned by me yet
but they reference the model
fallow rune
Theres another spell that uses the bow model
As well as the one for enemies
Just stick to the fxrs you already have
foggy compass
only one enemy uses the spell (two variants but one entity and the spell is the same both fights)
foggy compass
Just stick to the fxrs you already have
10-4
best flver editor?
fresh waters here
fallow rune
It’s called Flver editor lol
fallow rune
fresh waters here
Oh no
gentle notch
flver editor 2 is what you need
fallow rune
This is the part I’d have to guess at
Jenova do you know how to change the texture paths
foggy compass
we have found the file!
found the path editing spot i think
flying on intuition atm
gentle notch
Jenova do you know how to change the texture paths
materials -> edit textures
but in mine there were none set
fallow rune
i see 4? if i understand what im looking at
That’s because there’s four
Look at the file names
Replace with the correct files
Emissive normal metallic and albedo
foggy compass
okay done and saved into the files
time to repack and try again
let me double check the reslist files
gentle notch
that's the type, not the path but well, good luck
fallow rune
Remember, my guide has a massive fucking troubleshooting list
It’ll cover everything except a bit of the model stuff
foggy compass
we have a model! look flat and wierd but its there
maybe a texture issue? when i export the texture there were a lot of export options
i chose the one from the guide but maybe that didnt work
potent crown
i came late but im not experienced with models and textures but thnx for including me if you have questions about bullets, speffects (dsms stuff) or TAE (dsas) stuff ask me!
fallow rune
its a texture issue but
I think it needs those metal map?
oh wait
no you just didn't map the texture right
it's not using the texture at all
fallow rune
maybe a texture issue? when i export the texture there were a lot of export opti...
you can find the export settings guide on the wiki
fallow rune
i chose the one from the guide but maybe that didnt work
oh
fallow rune
i chose the one from the guide but maybe that didnt work
verify using the texdiag method
foggy compass
i came late but im not experienced with models and textures but thnx for includi...
may be able to bypass the texture situation
fallow rune
you wat
foggy compass
One of the sfx has a good particle shape in bow-ish form i could just extend the duration so it is active through the whole spell and then i wouldnt need a model at all
the mist looking spx during the initial draw, it disappears after u reach the held state in the TAE but reappears for just a moment at time of firing
if i could add that oneshotffx to the held portion of the tae then i wont need the bow model at all
do u see the sfx i mean?
fallow rune
One of the sfx has a good particle shape in bow-ish form i could just extend the...
i feel cheated that you're doing this instead of finishing the model but whatever you want I guess
foggy compass
i may revisit the model but its all about what will look the cleanest and work easiest
gentle notch
maybe a texture issue? when i export the texture there were a lot of export opti...
since you removed the type it will not apply the matbin properties I guess
I checked and the matbin contains the texture files so you need to duplicate it and set the textures there
Material\allmaterialbnd\sfx\matxml\s88640_S[AMSN]_em.matxml
convert with witchy
at the bottom
rain rose
did you just recolor the textures? or copied it and made a new one?
if you renamed it. paste the texture name here
"sxxxxx_a" for albedo
"sxxxxx_em" for emissive
gentle notch
if you renamed it. paste the texture name here
"sxxxxx_a" for albedo
"sxxxxx_em"...
did you confirm that? it simply overwrites the ones from the matxml?
fallow rune
They copied and renamed
foggy compass
Copy and renamed, sorry I work all during the am(CST) didn't notice the messages. I'll be home in a few hours. Gonna try to fix the texture tonight and be done with the first spell. Then it's 17 more lol fml
foggy compass
is there a way to view the textures in FLVR editor so i cann make sure they look right before repacking and testing in game?
fallow rune
The new versions should be able to do that
But it won’t be able to take into account game lighting
foggy compass
the original tetxure is transparent and glowy and all i did was clone and recolor why is it so flat looking?
did i save the texture wrong?
fallow rune
Probably
“Flat looking”
It looks like it straight up isn’t loading
Glowy is the emissive texture
foggy compass
It looks like it straight up isn’t loading
would that be something done wrong in FLVER Editor?
fallow rune
Likely
fallow rune
what settings do i use for saving it
Export settings are on the wiki
foggy compass
do u hasve a handy dandy guide on tap?
fallow rune
Above
gentle notch
so you got a new material, set your new textures there, recolored them and what does it look like now?
foggy compass
the above video was the rsult of that process Jenova
im trying again by redoing my clone/recolor steps to make sure i didnt bork the texture at some point
i need some clarity on ur guide Andy
okay when i save the model with the textures now using the color overlay method it is saving a .flver and a .tpf file
do i need to do anything with the tpf?
according to the guide the dds are inside the tpf but witchy decompresses all the way down to dds without the extra unpacking step so in this case i would just put the flver model in "models" and my dds files in "textures" right?
okay so third attempt the model still looks like shit
The texture is losing transparency
tested the other (original) texture in flver editor and it looks fine. mine is flat bc it lost its transparency
foggy compass
@fallow rune i have tried and tried but that model still looks like shit
no change even went through the effort of getting photoshop to make the changes still crap
im doing something incorrectly or it cant be done one of the two
these are the base files from the game that im recoloring and it will not take the recolor without looking like flat garbage
also looks very dark if not black on the tips and im not sure why
potent crown
to make clear what you did record a vid of the steps you took and upload it to https://streamable.com/ and paste the link here so they can see exactly what you did
rain rose
N:\GR\data\Material\mtd\sfx\matxml\s88340_Glow.matxml
use this mtd path from adula's blade
after pasting the mtd path press "apply matbin textures"
it will then fill the path on the right side
just replace the texture name with yours
rain rose
your flver materials should looks like this
fallow rune
What McKenyu said.
gentle notch
great and easy solution but still: why doesn't it work to change the textures?
foggy compass
@here is there a particular range for the vendor entries i need to follow? I intended to add the spells to the maiden but she doesnt have enough IDs before the next merchant begines
royal thorn
@here is there a particular range for the vendor entries i need to follow? I int...
In that case I think you will have to edit the vendor talk esd file using ESDStudio, changing the range values. If you edit any vendor that also drops a bell bearing when killed, you will also need to edit Maiden Husks esd file accordingly so the bell bearing works
foggy compass
Okay all added to vendors and all have their own animations and are castable in game. I am having an issue with the status buildup arrows now
these are the speffect params i have setup (cloned from Sleep Pot) and this new speffect id was added to the damage bullet for the spell, yet no status is being applied
i looked through the guides and couldnt find anything that refered to the use of status buildup and how to set it up properly. Am i just missing something?
foggy compass
@fallow rune this right here
that particle effect changed to orange when i made the first spell variant as intended, but every variant after that it just stays orange
fallow rune
Probably because you aren’t referencing it correctly in params?
foggy compass
compressing and decompressing them so many times is making my eyes bleed
fallow rune
True
That’s probably the worst thing with fxr really
How long it takes to make a change
foggy compass
Okay so i went through a rebuild of the mod in a way, i was deving it with other mods present. This is obvisouly a potent for issues while working on it. I fully detatched it from the other mods and have a fresh install of ER to work on it with. Most everything is in place but im still having recolor issues.
potent crown
have you tried the fxr library of cccode?
foggy compass
I don't understand how to use that one. Does it require other software to run? I didn't see an exe or jar file to load it