Infusion VFX Issue | ?ServerName? | Page 1

drifting dirge Aug 28, 2023, 2:19 PM

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ello everyone. i'm trying to redo my infusion VFX mod and I have it working just great using residentSpEffectId
However, when holding two weapons of different infusions, the right hand is overwritten by the left hand weapon's effect when toggling to said weapons
is there a way i can have the different vfx's on at the same time without them overwriting each other?

shut ermine Aug 29, 2023, 3:56 PM

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Each hand must have it's own SpEffectVfxID. These can both be set inside the same SpEffectID if you have WeaponChangeParam field set to 0 All.
Also you can verify if SpEffectVfx IDs are set on EffectType 1 R-Hand and 2 L-Hand in the field called EffectType in SpEffectVfxParam Tgere should be 1 vfx id per hand.

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A good example of this and a quick way to verify correct setup is to load up SpEffectVfxID 8575 R-Hand bloodflame and 8576 L-Hand bloodflame. If you mimic their setup both hands should work as intended.

drifting dirge Aug 29, 2023, 4:16 PM

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I tried what you suggested, and the same thing happened

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The left hand should have the frost effect on but doesn't

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But oddly enough, if I two hand the left weapon and un-two hand it, this happens now

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I set up VFX's for each hand like this

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And put them together like this

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If I did something wrong then please let me know

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:00 AM

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@drifting dirge
If you notice in your first ScreenShot of DsMap. You mention "Both" Vfx IDs being set on [ EffectType 1 ] <- This is why it won't display on both hands.

Your Right Hand Weapon should have ->
[ EffectType 1 ] R - Hand
Your Left Hand Weapon should have ->
[ EffectType 2 ] L-Hand

[ EffectType ] has 3 values ->

0 - Body Effect
1 - Right Hand
2 - Left Hand

Also in SpEffectVFX Param in the field called -> [ EnchantStartDmyID ]

R - Hand is ->
(10 & 11)-300, (10 & 11)-310, (10 & 11)-320, (10 & 11)-330
L - Hand is ->
(20 & 21)-300, (20 & 21)-310,
(20 & 21)-320, (20 & 21)-330

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 2:38 PM

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I believe I miscommunicated before. The Right VFX's were already set to EffectType 1, and the Left ones set to EffectType 2

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As for the DmyId fields, it looks like they are already set up for both left and right hands?

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@shut ermine

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:18 PM

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@drifting dirge
In the SpEffectID you are using is WeaponChangeParam set to 0 All or
3 Self ? And are they cycling any other Effect IDs ?

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:19 PM

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The WeaponChangeParam is set to 0

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And they aren't cycling any other effects

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:21 PM

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Ok could you plz try this real quick. In your SpEffect ID set 8575 and 8576. Now go VFX Param and Load only 8576 and replace midst sfx ID by 450115 ( just so it's obvious which is which ) and see if your left hand works

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I did not ask how the SpEffect ID is set up but I imagine that trigger for player and target player have been set accordingly for this.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:29 PM

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Seems like that worked

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:30 PM

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Or if this has EffectCategory 20 Reset on Apply and another SpEffectID is triggering on you aside from this one. Could possibly be overwriting your left hand buff or perhaps this has a right hand buff ( just trying to think of all possible reasons there could be )

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:30 PM

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If I toggle to RH though, it still replaces the effect

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Oh maybe I'll check that

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:31 PM

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Sec I think I know

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:31 PM

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Oh the "Remove Previous" effect

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:31 PM

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Could you plz verify in Weapon param

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Both your weapons and make sure Sfx Size is set to 0

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This could offset your enchant

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Making it dissapear

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:32 PM

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Size is set to 0 on both

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:32 PM

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Ok perfect

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:33 PM

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The effect category is set to 162 "Remove Previous"
I imagine that's what's removing the effect?

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If so, what would I change it to?

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:35 PM

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Depends on what you have in mind for this effect. Will this be active almost always on yourself or it's something that triggers only at certain times ?

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:36 PM

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It should be active the whole time. The whole premise of the mod is that when you infuse a weapon with say, Fire, it has the VFX from Fire Grease at all times

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:41 PM

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So I would proceed like this
Duration -1
EffectInterval 0.5 to 1
EffectCategory 20 Reset on Apply <- the advantage with Cat 20 is that it will continuously keep itself in check, resetting the entire Effect on every application. This will prevent the buff from spiraling out of control after a few triggers from EffectInterval. Everytime is triggers Cat 20 will normalise this Buff and prevent it from stacking.

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Also it will make sure that even after a grace teleport, it will keep ticking and reapply itself. And save the user the trouble of reapplying it via grease after each fast travel.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:45 PM

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Well, it doesn't have to be applied manually since it's tied to the infusion itself

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Still having the issue where it's replacing the left hand weapon's vfx

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:45 PM

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Ah ok Ic that's perfect

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:46 PM

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I used the ResidentSpEffect and put it on every infused weapon so it could be applied that way

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:47 PM

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This is very strange. Could you try 303133 instead of 303131

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:49 PM

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On the midstSfxId?

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:50 PM

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Just to see if left hand displays it. If this does not work try this -> in SpEffectParam load id 330700 ( radagons icon ) set interval 0.5 and effect cat 20. In the field called CycleSpEffectId -> Set the effect id your are working on. Equip radagons icon and tell me if left hand gets buffed

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Yes midst

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The accessory can be anything you want I just so happened to remember SpEffect ID for radagon's

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:52 PM

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Changing the midstSfx did.. this somehow. That's what happened when i changed it to 303131

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i don't quite know how that put both effects on the right hand

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And now, even if I only have the left hand out, it never applies the effect

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 3:55 PM

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So 1 is holy one is fire. If the holy ends up on the right. It is almost certain that somewhere it's values are not what they should be

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 3:56 PM

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Maybe I just messed up on the vfx id because that's supposed to be cold

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I'm gonna walk back the changes and do it again and see if that was just user error

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Okay I have no idea what happened but now the left hand vfx just doesn't work at all

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:00 PM

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303111 to 303119 frost

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:02 PM

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that just put two frost effects on my right hand weapon

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The left hand vfx is still set to type 2, so this should be applying to the left hand

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:03 PM

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Just incase you might of played with this. In weapon param the SheathPosition can play this kind of trick on visual buffs

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:04 PM

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I don't remember messing with SheathPosition but I'll double check

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Yeah sheathposition is all vanilla

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:05 PM

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Im drawing a blank on the name of this field but it's the 1 that has 2 named almost same

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Not the actual sheath field

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Ill check

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:05 PM

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Are you talking about "Hide resident Sfx when sheathed" ?

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These are the only things i changed on the weapon

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:06 PM

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postureControlId_Right

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And left

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Those are both 5 by default

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Ok did the purp lightning display on left hand first try ?

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:08 PM

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drifting dirge Seems like that worked

like this?

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It worked the first time. But It really doesn't want to work on left hand weapons for some reason

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:11 PM

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Could you set your sp effect id to state info 29 body buff vfx

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:13 PM

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that doesn't seem to have done anything

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right hand still works fine

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and if i toggle left hand off and back on, this happens

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:15 PM

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And after try 158 left hand weapon vfx

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I just saw something. This is a dual weapon is it not

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:16 PM

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no it's just two longswords

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shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:17 PM

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IsDualWeapon is 0 in weapon param ( just making extra sure nothing slips by )

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:18 PM

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It is 0, yes

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:18 PM

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Ok heres what you will do and it should fix this. Are the effect ids custom or you used existing ?

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:19 PM

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I duplicated the grease effects, removed the damage, and put the custom vfx ids on them (which were also duplicated from existing effects)

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:27 PM

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Ok create 2 extra effect ids or 3 so you have a total of 4.
Ex: 11111 R-Hand Vfx
11112 L-Hand Vfx
11113 R-Hand Vfx
11114 L-Hand vfx.

Load the 11111 ( make sure it has interval 0.3 to 0.5 and cat 20 reset on apply.
In cycle of 11 R-> 12 L-> inside 12 L -> 13 R-> inside 13 R -> 14 L -> inside 14 L -> 11 R
This will create a neverending loop of applications for l and r and on interval 0.3 or so the human eye can't really tell. If you see it reduce to 0.15 int.

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If this does not display left hand. It's 100% sure that one of the values for left VFX is off.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:34 PM

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So I want 4 Speffects per type like this?

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:34 PM

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I would set all 4 effect IDs to state info 29 body buff vfx ( i always use this and never had trouble with either hand )

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:35 PM

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alright

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:35 PM

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2 for right and 2 for left should be enough

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On such a short trigger interval it will make no dif

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:36 PM

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okay

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and then i'm just cycling one to the next and then when i get to the last one, cycling back to the beginning?

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:37 PM

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Yup

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Also the greases you copied were for R hand and L hand ? Or did you copy the same 1 multiple times

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:40 PM

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I think it might have been only the right one

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since i only had one speffect and not two to begin with

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guess that's a bad oversight

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should i start from scratch to correct that mistake?

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:45 PM

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Check inside every second ID correcting as needed

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The first can be R thats fine

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Second should be L , third R, Fourth L. Also this will make it easy to know which is which. As much as possible when i use multiple effect IDs I try to keep R- Hand on Even Numbers and L-Hand on Odd. Like that just at a glance to know right away what you are loading up. This can also help to save a bit of time when situations like this one cause problems. You would only need to look in odd numbers because your R-Hand Even numbers work fine.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 4:55 PM

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okay so it's still putting both effects on the right hand despite the cycling

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but

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If I two hand my left hand and the un-two hand, it works properly

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Ok if it's possible could you record a short vid of you scrolling down Vfx Param and Sp Effect Param

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If you cant a few Screenshots so I can see all values

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You can scroll fastish ill pause If I need to

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Because It has to be a small detail.

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Sometimes a pair of fresh eyes can see what's up. Oftentimes the exterior person might see something that the person who makes it missed. Lol it's almost always minor stuff that we omit by innatention.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 5:03 PM

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Yeah, especially because I'm not exactly the most experienced modder around lol

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 5:04 PM

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Hopefully it's one of those times where it jumps right out

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 5:04 PM

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I'm downloading OBS so I can send a video because if I took screenshots it'd be like 10 of them or something and that's excessive

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 5:05 PM

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Ok np at worst you could of zipped the screens and DM to me.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 5:11 PM

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oh damn, mkv's don't play on discord huh

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one sec

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shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 5:17 PM

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In vfx param use weapon sfx offset -> 0 for all of them. Im starting Sp effect brb

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Inside 3441 -> 3141 in Attack SpEffect ID has this been verified to be L-Hand in all places important ? Also when you wish to use the Attack Sp Effect Slot ->
Effect ID 3441 should have state info 152 enable attack against Enemy.

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Brb last part

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Also since this is player buff the effects should only target the enemy and not Trigger "for" Enemy ( Not trigger "On" Enemy ) <- that one can be sneaky. I dont think it's the case now but having it trigger for them could effectively overwrite a buff.

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@drifting dirge
My money is on this right here. Being the issue.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 5:44 PM

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Oh did I put the cycles in the wrong field?

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 5:44 PM

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The attack sp effect ID is left and the regular effect ID is R

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They cancel eachother out

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But since 3441 is cycling

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He stays alive but the L hand attack sp effect dies after 1 trigger

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 5:46 PM

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ohhhhh

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 5:47 PM

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Effectively wiping your left hand buff at every pass 🙄

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 5:47 PM

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sheesh. what a silly mistake to make lol

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that's what i get for only using the right hand ones 😅

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 5:50 PM

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You would not believe how much worse i've seen...lol the kind of stuff I could not even make up if I wanted to. It's an honest little mistake that slipped by this time but now that you know this you probably wont do it twice. Making mistakes is an integral part of learning, it can't be helped. Let me know if it's fixed. If not we can keep figuring it out.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 5:51 PM

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Alright, I'll correct everything and see how it shakes out

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I'm learning!

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 5:53 PM

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I honestly find that I learn the most when im troubleshooting or when a problem needs solving. Lol when all is smooth it's harder to learn.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 6:17 PM

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YES!!!!!

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finally

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well, it works now but the infusions are appearing on the wrong hands lol

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well.. it kinda works

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if i toggle weapons it still overwrites the other one

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bah!

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if i save quit and load in they're just back to being the right hand one on both

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and perplexingly, when i equip only a weapon in the left hand, it has fire on it no matter what?

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like, i don't even have a weapon equipped in the right hand at all

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????

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and even if i equip an uninused weapon it's still putting the effect on the other hand for some reason

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why is every weapon on fire???

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fire is overriding every single other infusion now? wtf

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it's even infecting weapons that can't even be buffed or infused fatcat

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@shut ermine any insight into this?

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if i infuse it with something else it has that element for like 1 second and then it overwrites it with fire

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so i save quit to reset it. and as soon as there's a fire or frost weapon, it permanantly reset the infusion vfx until you reload

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I'm starting to think this mod isn't even possible

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if only there was a way to have the game check which hand was infused with what, and only then apply the effect

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disabled the cyclespeffect and, well

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the fire isn't permanant anymore

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but..

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back to this shit again

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I don't think there's any way to apply 2 different vfx to 2 different weapons, at least with the way i approached it

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If I want to release this it might just have to be right hand only

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 7:43 PM

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@drifting dirge
Had to get a few things at the store that my gf needed for a recipe...what is the original VFX of the grease you copied ? 60 I think normal fire is ?

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So if you did not permanantly change the vfx id 60 it will still be the vfx id for fire grease

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 8:56 PM

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drifting dirge like, i don't even have a weapon equipped in the right hand at all

More often than not this is caused by values in either InitSfxID, MidstSfxID or FinishSfxID that should not be there while EnchantStartDmyID is being used. They should remain at -1 for almost all weap enchants ( a few exceptions exist where they play a part in how visual is displayed ).

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@drifting dirge
Lol had you removed the Sp Effect ID we had tested in your accessory earlier ? The 330700 for Radagon's.

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@drifting dirge
Lol as I read this...And simultaniously learned you wanted 2 effects at the same time... LOL had not noticed until now that you wanted that 😆. EquipParamWeapon are Fields called ResidentSfxID if you set 1 buff here and the other in VFX Param. 🙃 Oops lol

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 9:22 PM

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I did mention it

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But I don't want two effects on one weapon

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i want one effect on two weapons

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that was the whole issue i was having, remember? it disappearing on the left hand was defeating the point

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 9:25 PM

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You know that if you set your SpEffectID in your Chest Armors ResidentSpEffectID slot any and all weapons you equip will be buffed.

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 9:25 PM

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but can i have two seperate buffs?

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 9:25 PM

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Yes

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 9:25 PM

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like one frost and one fire, like i was trying to get work

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i didn't know that

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 9:26 PM

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In the effect ID use 2 different VFX ids one for left and one for right. If nothing cycles or attacks nothing will override these

drifting dirge Aug 30, 2023, 9:27 PM

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but i have to tie that to chest armor and not just infusions?

shut ermine Aug 30, 2023, 9:28 PM

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So ideally you want this to trigger on item usage exclusively.

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Then simply add 1 more layer ->
The new SpEffectID triggers on item use -> it Applies the Original SpEffectID to yourself for the duration of your choice.

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So while its on you have l and r buff

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I would not add more to this effect id. This one covers the buff l and r. Another 1 can do the other part

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Like this the risk of parts overlapping is alot smaller

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