How do you actually learn to mod?

[rich pine]

i recommend tutorials on youtube by grimrukh and rainer

theres also plenty of information here if you search for it as well as the soulsmodding wiki

[prisma coral]

Thanks ill take a look.

[regal rampart]

you may also find learning about the other games helps with sekiro. unfortunately it's not been particularly loved

[coarse walrus]

I’d suggest learning things in small chunks, so it’s not overwhelming. Do some simple param or map edits to start with map studio, or download someone else’s mod and see what they changed. Scrub milk has a lot of great tutorials too, though mostly for ds3 and ER.

[prisma coral]

Yeah I have found little to no documents/videos on modding sekiro

[coarse walrus]

MyMaidIsKitchenAid mods sekiro, right? He might be able to help you with a lot of the sekiro specific stuff

[prisma coral]

I have all the applications and can access all the parameters, but I still don't understand how you're supposed to know what all the values do. (I imported Sekiro names) For example, I changed what I believed to be the Spirit emblem cost of using mortal draw, but after much testing, it didn't seem to do anything. It's probably something that I'm doing wrong but due to the lack of tutorials, I have no clue.

[coarse walrus]

Maybe just duplicate an object to start, like a house or an enemy to see if you have everything set up correctly

Or display a banner in emevd

Something impossible to miss

[prisma coral]

But I wouldn't even know how to do that being how inexperienced I am.

[cyan hamlet]

Rainers tutorials are complete shit

heard he's working on making better ones tho

[coarse walrus]

You take that back right now, I never would’ve gotten into modding if it wasn’t for Rainer’s tutorials

[cyan hamlet]

lmaooo

[coarse walrus]

Saying mean things about Rainer, smh

[regal rampart]

tfw no sekiro parammeta

where's the tutorial

[prisma coral]

Wheres rainers channel tho?

[coarse walrus]

https://youtu.be/WqgXdGtH8Ao

[sweet sand]

Indeed Sekiro is my primary game, Elden Ring is secondary

[sweet sand]

Spirit Emblem cost is handled in EquipParamWeapon by a field called resourceItemA
Mortal Draw is weapon 5700 and Empowered Mortal Draw is 7300

[regal rampart]

equipparam? in my good christian sekiro?

damn I guess I really didn't look at it enough

[sweet sand]

All combat arts and prosthetics are weapons

As you can equip and unequip them

[regal rampart]

huh
fair enough ig

I always assumed prosthetics weren't because of the funky ass setup for the anims

[sweet sand]

They use a combo of stateinfos and BehaviorJudgeId for all variations

[prisma coral]

Hm, does anyone have updated names for the paramiters?

[sweet sand]

What version of MapStudio are you using?

[prisma coral]

For yapped no?

All the lines by default are blank.

[sweet sand]

I would not recommend using Yapped, it is an inferior param editor in every way

[prisma coral]

Ah, I see.

I do have happen to have mapstudio.

Ill do some testing with it

[sweet sand]

What version?

[prisma coral]

How do I check?

[sweet sand]

When you open it you should see the version number at the top

It might also be in the name of the folder

[prisma coral]

How do you launch lmao...

[regal rampart]

should be in the title bar

step 1 is to not download source code

[prisma coral]

I dont remember doing that...

Ill download it again.

Ah, found it.

1.08

[sweet sand]

That is the most up to date version and should have the updated names by default

[prisma coral]

Oh thanks, I was looking at whatever I could find in terms of Sekiro modding so It may have been outdated.

[sweet sand]

There has been quite a lot of new stuff and changes for Sekiro in recent months so in all likelyhood they are mostly outdated

[prisma coral]

Hm, im opening Map studio for the first time, no clue how to connect it to Sekiro :/

[regal rampart]

file->new project

[prisma coral]

Where would all the file locations be

[sweet sand]

The project directory is where the project will be stored, best to make this your mods folder so you don't have to move files

Game Executable is just that, go the Game folder and click on sekiro.exe

[prisma coral]

Could not find param file. Cannot save.

Does this have to do with the fact that after I unloaded UXM I moved the param folder to the mods folder?

[regal rampart]

that'll be it. make sure the game folder is just vanilla

[sweet sand]

Are your Sekiro files unpacked?

[prisma coral]

Wait nvm moved the files and now I didnt get the error

But whats with the bunch of warnings at the top saying that it couldnt apply stuff

[regal rampart]

uuuh... you have latest sekiro or not?

[prisma coral]

I should

[sweet sand]

Did you open this with Yapped?

[prisma coral]

Wdym

[regal rampart]

oh could be yapped fucking it yeah

[sweet sand]

Yapped doesn't support these params

[prisma coral]

How could I have opened it with yapped?

You mean because I tried stuff with Yapped that messed with sekiro?

[sweet sand]

If you opened it with Yapped there is a good chance that is what screwed it up

[prisma coral]

Ouch. How do I fix that?

[sweet sand]

I had this problem when moving over to the new MapStudio so I imported all my modded params into a fresh param file

Now I no longer have any warnings

[prisma coral]

Ah should I try deleting the param folder and unpacking UXM again?

[regal rampart]

if you didn't change anything yet then yeah, just wipe it

[sweet sand]

Even if you just made minor changes then I'd say wipe it

[prisma coral]

Delete just the param folder right?

Dont know if UXM will duplicate

[sweet sand]

You don't need to create a new project you can just delete the param file in mods folder then copy the base game param file and paste it into your project

[prisma coral]

I had moved my param folder back to the main folder

thats what fixed the other error

[sweet sand]

What main folder?

[regal rampart]

the game folder

delete the bad params from both the game folder and mod folder

uxm them back into the game folder

and then load the project

[sweet sand]

Indeed don't ever change the files that are unpacked, they aren't loaded when you run the game and they exist to provide access to the base game files

[prisma coral]

Aaaaaaand fixed.

Thanks

No warnings now

I guess I should start with some tutorials on how to use Map Studio?

[sweet sand]

A lot of Elden Ring centric tutorials on tools will work for Sekiro

[prisma coral]

I guess ill start with that.

Thanks again for your help!

[sweet sand]

Modding Elden Ring actually helped a lot in understanding Sekiro they do have a surprising amount of similarities

[regal rampart]

anything related to ds3 will also be quite relevant

[prisma coral]

Interesting.

How to make the map not look rainbow lol

[regal rampart]

unfortunately a lot of the intuitive connections between things that the param editor can usually show won't for sekiro.
Do you have your own parammeta, @sweet sand?

[regal rampart]

that's the neat part
Technically you can turn on textures, but it's not 100% guaranteed to load them and can have problems

[sweet sand]

Yes you helped me with my problems regarding the parammeta

I've added a bunch of references and bool checks in my own params since then

[regal rampart]

share
Can slap em into next release seeing as bscly nobody else is gonna add anything to defaults

[prisma coral]

Ill try my luch with the textures, how do I load them?

[regal rampart]

should be in the settings menu

after that reloading a map should do it

[sweet sand]

There is one problem I added one reference to ResourceItemParam that won't go away as it was incorrect. Every time I try to remove it shows up again after I reopen the params

[prisma coral]

Worked, hopefully I dont run into problems

[regal rampart]

nice
maybe file is readonly? idk. can just edit the xml directly

[prisma coral]

wow thats alot of t-posing

So hypothetically if i were to move one of the houses into the sky than load up Sekiro would it make that change?

And also additional parammeta would be useful

[sweet sand]

If you move a MapPiece somewhere else you will see the visual model move but the collision will still be in the same place

The MapPiece is just a model seperate from the collision

[prisma coral]

Ah I see Ill do some research to learn a bit more.

One more thing, how do you come to learn what all of these nameless values do like resourceItemA?

Is it just hours of testing

[sweet sand]

Well a lot of Sekiro params were figured out when they were just a bunch of Unk values or things like 0x193 etc.

[prisma coral]

Is there like a sheet that describes what they all do?

[sweet sand]

But usually I can find stuff pretty easily with the new names and also crossreferencing other params, and testing of course.

No there isn't one sheet but there is sparse documentation, Sekiro has a lot leftover stuff from older games that are still used so learning about older games can help

[prisma coral]

Oh ok, Ill do some research and look at some tutorials

[sweet sand]

Most of the documentation is on some of the Sekiro servers for different overhaul mods like Resurrection and For the Sake of Ashina

[prisma coral]

Oh interesting Ill go see

[sweet sand]

You can always just ask what you want to do first, don't try to understand everything all at once. I tried to do that when I started but learned more doing small things one at a time despite my lack of knowledge

You don't need to know much to do some basic stuff first

[prisma coral]

Got it, thanks again for all the help!

[coarse walrus]

I am once again asking that mymaid becomes lime green role

[prisma coral]

After some watching, I tried again to change the spirit emblem cost of using Mortal Blade, and after multiple saves and restarts it isn't working. Any idea?

EquipParamWeapon > 5700 > resourceItemA

Changed it to one and it's turned green.

[regal rampart]

make sure the game is actually loading your modded files

[prisma coral]

How to check?

[sweet sand]

Did you just look at it in the menu or did you go into the Combat Arts equip slot and try using it?

[prisma coral]

I tried using it.

Wasn't empowered mortal draw either.

[sweet sand]

Did it display the emblem cost properly in the menu?

[prisma coral]

Still says 3

[sweet sand]

I remember a faint moment a while back where I had trouble changing the cost of Golden Vortex

I don't remember how I fixed it

[prisma coral]

You dont have to move the params folder back and forth right?

[sweet sand]

I've since changing emeblem cost on pretty much every tool for both my mods and they work fine I don't know what could be happening other than your params not loading properly

[sweet sand]

Not if you made your project your mods folder

[prisma coral]

wdym

Should the params folder be in the mods or game folder?

[sweet sand]

If you make the project directory the mods folder where your modded files are you don't have to move the files they are just present in your mods folder ready to be loaded

[sweet sand]

mods

Don't change the unpacked files in the Game folder, leave them alone they are just for you to access them to make edits

[prisma coral]

hm but doesnt map studio connect to sekiro.exe nothing else?

[sweet sand]

No modengine is responsible for loading mods not MapStudio

[prisma coral]

let me test something real quick...

[sweet sand]

Modengine is looking inside you mods folder and loading those files over the base game unpacked files of the same name

[prisma coral]

If i move the param folder into the mods folder map studio cant find it and it closes

[sweet sand]

What does your mods folder look like when you move the param folder into it?

[prisma coral]

its just a file with the params file in it...

I'm probably horribly misunderstanding something.

[sweet sand]

Show me a screenshot if you will

[sweet sand]

What's inside the param folder?

[regal rampart]

mapstudio reads the game folder for comparison purposes

it is expecting that folder to be vanilla

[prisma coral]

should there be a param folder in the game folder AND the mods folder than?

[regal rampart]

yes

[sweet sand]

Yes when you unpack you copy and paste the files and edit the copy

[regal rampart]

everything in the mods folder should be a modified version of something in the game folder

[prisma coral]

im an idiot lmao

[sweet sand]

That's what I meant by leaving the unpacked files alone

Just copy them if you need them for edits

[prisma coral]

Ah, I definitely misunderstood you. Ouch

Will update you if it works

Still didnt work :/ created a new map studio project and everything just in case.

I deleted the param folder and unpacked UXM for a fresh file

than copied it to mods folder

changed the same stuff, loaded up Sekiro and it didnt change

[regal rampart]

first thing to do is change something that really can't be mistaken; and then check that things are actually being loaded by modengine

eg. if your modengine is pointed to the "mod" folder but your files are in "mods"

[prisma coral]

?

Wdym

[regal rampart]

have you successfully loaded any mod? even other people's

[prisma coral]

Yes

Resurrection and lmtsr

Both worked fine

[regal rampart]

and you're using the same mod folder? or at least, know there's no ambiguity there

then I can only guess that the row you edited isn't what you think it is

[prisma coral]

Is there something you can recommend to check? Something unmistakable?

[coarse walrus]

Id just copy a massive building and put it floating in the sky somewhere

Pretty hard to miss a flying castle

[prisma coral]

I’ll try it, is there a specific folder that should be copied into the mods folder for that though?

[coarse walrus]

Just save the map file in the map editor afaik unless I’m totally wrong about how sekiro modding works

[regal rampart]

that is mapstudio

can also run the massedit command param NpcParam: id .*: hp: * 10; in the params, should multiply every enemy's hp by 10

might be noticeable

[prisma coral]

I’ll try when I have the chance

[sweet sand]

Actually go to EquipParamGoods and change item 3000

Change refId_default to 9000

This should give you Contact Medicine poison when you drink the Gourd

[regal rampart]

that's also a fairly straightforward one

[prisma coral]

When I drink a gourd I’ll get contact medicine?

Oh poisen

How does that work

[regal rampart]

just switching out the speffect it's applying to you

from the speffect that says "get 800hp" to one that says "get poison damage for 60s"

[prisma coral]

Interesting, I’ll try it. I’m away now but I’ll get to it when I’m free.

[coarse walrus]

All these things will make much more sense once you can see the changes in game

[prisma coral]

@sweet sand @regal rampart Didn't work :/

Few things.
Im testing this in a (Used to be) vanilla save does that do anything? I can't be bothered to start another save and progress through the game.

Also I only have a copy of the param folder in my mods folder, nothing else.

When I used map studios before putting a copy in the mods folder (only having the param folder in the game folder) it worked fine, how does that work? There doesn't seem to be any change once I also put a copy of the param folder into the mods folder.

Also there are to lines when looking at values, I had assumed the first one was the actual value while the second one is a placeholder for the default values, am I incorrect?

[pure musk]

No, that's right. Value on the left are from your project folder, values on the right are the (hopefully unmodified?) params from the game folder

That's all assuming you set up the DSMS project correctly (game folder = UXM unpacked game folder, project folder = mod folder that mod engine 2 uses)

Anything modified by DSMS will go into the project folder and won't touch the original unpacked game files

[sweet sand]

This doesn't matter for most things, a few but not for what you are doing

Also check your gameparam file to see when it was last saved, maybe it's not saving properly

[prisma coral]

Something to note then is that when I made the mistake of only having a mods folder in the game file and not the mods file I was still able to see and edit the params on the left side.

Also what’s with mod engine 2? I haven’t checked as I can’t right now but is that the same thing as the Sekiro mod engine?

And how do I check if it’s saved properly? I always hit save all or save params when testing.

I have a feeling map studio is only detecting my params folder in the game folder and not in the mods folder. I may be wrong but this is what it feels like.

[prisma coral]

I couldn't find a version of mod engine 2 that supports Sekiro. Its just sekiro mod engine right? Or is Elden Ring mod engine 2 the same for sekiro

another thing is whenever I save map studio freezes for a second, doesn't crash though. Maybe that shows it's having a problem with something?

[sweet sand]

Modenigne 2 doesn't work for Sekiro, that is the Elden Ring modengine

[prisma coral]

Thats what I though, just checking.

[sweet sand]

When you open up your mods folder do you have a file called project.json in there?

[prisma coral]

Oh wait a second

did you say to put the project directory for the mods folder?

oh i have found the problem...

turns out im an idiot a second time in a row

whats happening here?

I created a new project

Oh nvm it worked

checking the gourd thing now

HA it worked

lmao turn out i cant follow instructions

that was the problem