Elden Ring: Impact for spinning weapon. Help me, please!

[light flower]

Can you define impact?

[ocean jewel]

a hitbox. Something to indicate contact with an enemy, and some damage too. Or at least a knockback.

[light flower]

Right, so the simplest way of doing this would be using DsAnimStudio to look at the animation events, then adding an attack behavior event that refers to... some vanilla attack for that weapon, depending on what attributes you want the attack to have

If you equip the weapon in DSAnimStudio you can scroll through all the attacks for various examples, then you can just copy the behavior event and paste it into the funny spin animation

[ocean jewel]

Ye since i posted this i made it kinda work as i was able to get the thing to act as a straightsword basically for the whole spin animation. But id be happier if i could find a longer weapon or attack invokation so the spin would have a bigger radius. But ive not been able to figure out how to make it do anything else yet. The straight sword is just "standard" and the index and behavior are both zero. So its the simplest thing.

[light flower]

There's a couple extra steps involved with adding a custom attack, but it's completely doable

What that TAE behavior event does add the weapon's variation ID (set in equipParamWeapon) to the judge ID it defines in the TAE event itself. SO that judge ID essentially determines which specific attack to use from that weapon's moveset

So what you can do is pop into behavior param (using dsmapstudio), create a new entry for that weapon, give it an unused ID/Judge ID for TAE to identify, make TAE refer to that, then you can make that behavior refer to an attackParam entry that does whatever the hell you want

[ocean jewel]

Yea. i had to set that param to be the behaviorjudge from Oldovas weapon to make the effects work properly actually

Hmm yeah cool ill look into it. Maybe not today since im pretty overwhelemed by trying to figure all this stuff out so ill need a break soon 😛

thanks for replying tho. really appreciate it

ordovis*

[past tundra]

@ocean jewel
Hitboxes start and end set to -1 create a sphere shaped hitbox. And I would mess with this first, along with size of the radius of this.
Also try setting MapHitType to ->0 or 2 Hasard
SourceHitType to -> 1
Also a good candidate to see how damage at the tip is setup load the attack ids of carian piercer that does tip damage. IDs for carian are
44500-44501 <-uncharged
44505-44506 <- charged. And the last 2 things I can think of is HitType->
Try invoking collision in dif hitboxes, mostly 1 and 2
And HitStopTime : setting this between 0.2 and 1 sec makes collision time be longer / shorter.

All of the above is found in AtkParamPlayer

[ocean jewel]

Sounds great, thank you! But now i gotta figure out which atkParam is the sword art 😐

i actually dont know where teh atkparam for the swordart even is

[past tundra]

@ocean jewel Weapon stuff is mostly attack player
But here you have all player attacks, all npc attacks and by searching in these for name of the art / ash or name of weapon you should find what you need.

[ocean jewel]

Ye i usually do searches for that stuff in mapstudio param editor. But theres no attackParam for the SwordArt itself. I suppose i could create an atkparam with your suggetions in it and apply it to teh weapon during that part of teh animation. But ive already tried and failed at doing that 😛

[past tundra]

@ocean jewel
300306900 Ordovis's Greatsword [ Ordovi's Vortex SwordArt-1 ]
300306905 Ordovis's Greatsword [ Ordovi's Vortex SwordArt-2 ]
300306906 Ordovis's Greatsword [ Ordovi's Vortex SwordArt-3 ]
300306907 Ordovis's Greatsword [ Ordovi's Vortex SwordArt-4 ]
These are all in the AtkParamPC file I send to you. But had not been identified as the art IDs. And I had to make use of the attack logger in CE to figure out which ones they were.

[ocean jewel]

oh neat. but i need to change the characteristics of only a certain part of the animation. So i guess i gotta do some tinkering to make that work

And also thanks again for taking the time to help me out

i dont know if this is relevant to you but this shows what i got so far

the spinning sword has atk 200000 r1 straight sword. So it functions like a basic sword

which is both overpowerd and not really what i want 😛

its very powerful, since to make it function like a sawblade i put many small segments of invoke attack after eachother to simulate multiple hits. But that means im basically doing turbospeed r1s behind me

but it also comes with the unintended side effect of bouncing of walls and heavy shields and stuff if it hits them, interupting the swordart. I tried going into the attackparams for the straightsword r1 #1 and make it not invoke collision, but it does anyway so im deff missing a step or two somewhere

[past tundra]

Did you add the mutltihitting R1's ?

[ocean jewel]

yeah

[past tundra]

Oh ok lol

[ocean jewel]

thats my best attempt so far to make it do what i want

but its flawed to say the least

the animations on this thing is fucking sick, but now i gotta make it actually function properly 😛

[past tundra]

You should try the 44501 that is the attack id that impact at the tip of carian piercer. Just to see

[ocean jewel]

So invoke attack param 44501?

[past tundra]

44501 <-uncharged
44506 <-charged

[ocean jewel]

this bit confuses me

[past tundra]

Hit box is slightly larger on charged I think

[ocean jewel]

cus i gotta write it in a werid way to make it work it seems

wierd*

[past tundra]

Does the 44501 have the invoke collision.

[ocean jewel]

ill check

[past tundra]

Maybe it's not needed for carian ...sometimes it's used other times not depending on spell or art

[ocean jewel]

but dont i have to write just the first number of the thing and then the final 3 numbers?

44501 ignores collition

collision*

[past tundra]

Ok it will hit anyways

[ocean jewel]

ye i want it to ignore collision

[past tundra]

I thought it did but have not digged in these for some time

[ocean jewel]

ye thats fine

[past tundra]

Mind making a shot vid im curious now lol

[ocean jewel]

But yea i dont know how to fill in the fields in the invoke attack behavior fields

for u sure, ill get you a preview in a bit 😛

[past tundra]

You can do this with sp effects also

State 152 and 153 invoke attack on player or Npc

[ocean jewel]

Ye but first

im still lost here

in the attackindex field what do i put, and in the behaviorjudge field, what do i put

cus i dont think i can just paste 44501

its supposed to be 4 number

numbers

like this

[past tundra]

I was outside having a ciggy let me open behavior so I can see this real time

Judge is not where you insert this...the field is RefID

[ocean jewel]

this screen is from animstudio btw not mapstudio

[past tundra]

I c because judge is only 3 digits in dsms and I am not sure what the 4 digit judge id is for

You can have both open

[ocean jewel]

this is the attack param of ordovis greatsword 300306900

so in that window its the first number, 3, and the last 3 numbers, 900

so 3900

[past tundra]

Ya the 900 is how this starts

[ocean jewel]

but for the attack param for the piercer its so short

so im not sure what to do with it

[past tundra]

The other 3 ref bullets

In behavior 900

Ref id -> 44501

[ocean jewel]

Ye but where do i put 44501?

[past tundra]

Its already set to 0 attack in ref type

Leave that as is

do this is dsms

see the logger info

now it uses 44501 on the spin

[ocean jewel]

But wouldnt that assign that behavior to the whole swordart?

also that is not what my DsMs looks like at all so i dont recognize that stuff 😛

[past tundra]

this attack id is only for the spin and changes nothing to the rest of the sequence

behavior id 900 <- only purpose in life is to provide the attack ID for the spin

[ocean jewel]

really? im pretty confused still tbh. im still stuck on what do i put in the fields in animstudio?

[past tundra]

this is the question...how do you know its using 200000 r1 straight atk ID ? or you are not sure lol

or you wish to use this but have not implemented it yet ?

[ocean jewel]

look above in the print screen from animstudio

tjos

this*

on the hitbox it literally says straightsword

and that comes from me putting a "invokeattack" function in the animation

[past tundra]

lol it will use the animation for this attack id R1

[ocean jewel]

that may very well be. like i said i dont understand this at all

and just to be clear, there was no attack param on that blade by default

in the normal version of the animation the spin does nothing, its just for show

[past tundra]

it is "Anim Studio"...to change params I am pretty sure dsms is needed'

[ocean jewel]

yes i change params in dsms

but i need to refer to those params in anim studio

they are connected

they talk to eachother

[past tundra]

can you edit the box where 200000 is in anim ?

[ocean jewel]

yes

[past tundra]

ok set this to 44501

[ocean jewel]

thats this part

yeah but where do i put it?

thats what im lost on

[past tundra]

and make the changes for the actual hit in dsms

so anim will provide the the swing and dsms will make it actually hit

I mean it has to be like this

[ocean jewel]

Yes but how do i say this.. look at that invoke attack behavior image i shared. its says 0 and 0

and somehow 0 + 0 = 200000 r1

[past tundra]

somewhere you need to actually have the 44501 referenced in params as attack like I do

[ocean jewel]

i cant just put a whole param ID in these fields

[past tundra]

basically my attack works ...just do what you need in anim

and then change this in dsms

just to try

if this does not work

[ocean jewel]

yes

[past tundra]

we can try something else

[ocean jewel]

i still dont know what to put in these fields

[past tundra]

and go from there

[ocean jewel]

theres one called attack index, and one called behaviorjudge here

i dont know what to put here

thats what im saying

[past tundra]

attack type makes no dif

s32 attack index

this is where

I think 44501 goes

it's a 4 byte field

[ocean jewel]

ok ill try one sec

[past tundra]

in judge id add 900

source set this to 1

and state info set this to 152 : [ ENABLE ATK EFFECT AGAINST ENEMY ]

if judge 900 does not work then this 100% is refering to the actual behavior id 300306900

[ocean jewel]

that is what it is refering to

[past tundra]

in which this is set

[ocean jewel]

3900 is a short of 3-00306-900

[past tundra]

ok if this is how anim handles it then go with that

[ocean jewel]

ye im not sure, like im saying this is super confusing to me.

but ill test what you suggested in game now, one sec

[past tundra]

do this...enter the full id

if it can fit in that line and it will leave like this

and if it is a literal ref to judge it's 900

try both

[ocean jewel]

i tried this and it didnt work. attack behavior is gone

[past tundra]

because we can talk theory all day but until you actually try it you won't know...direction type leave as is for now ifnot try 1

but the rest is ok

[ocean jewel]

Ye im totally up for trying. Im not trying to argue i just dont understand what youre telling me to do 😛

[past tundra]

the first thing you try in test no2 is setting the complete behavior id in judge...

just so you have a cycle and method each unsuccessful attempt get you closer

but I have a feeling this won't take time

the judge is the only one I am not 100% on

you sword is in the right hand yes ?

if not dont set force right hand and leave default

[ocean jewel]

ye it is in the right hand

[past tundra]

kk

nice man

i am testing it now and it works but the bullet attack ids are way to powerful and I cant even see more that 1 hit on spin

[ocean jewel]

ye to get multiple hits i made the invokeatk segment super short, and then copy pasted it many times

[past tundra]

oh I am getting multiple hits I hear them but they die before

[ocean jewel]

ok so what did you put in animstudio?

[past tundra]

nothing lol I am doing it with nothing but the params

[ocean jewel]

ye i just dont want to change the normal sword swing at the end. Only the spin. thats where it gets complicated

I can try something else 1 sec

[past tundra]

I did not not change it

I am triggering this attack someother way

through sp effects

and the art is as is

[ocean jewel]

hm ok. ill have to pick this up later. gotta go prepare dinner

thanks again

[past tundra]

https://streamable.com/8q90jx lol I should of thought of this earlier...What you will do once you get back is load this up in anim studio. take whatever makes the multi hit spin possible and copy paste those values to your spin...If you can I would make your spin last a bit longer

[ocean jewel]

oh yeah. thats interesting! thanks for the tip

[past tundra]

@ocean jewel its attack id hit 284 times during this. Of course dam was lowered to 1 but it's mechanic is build to accomodate this

[ocean jewel]

Ye ill look into it. Just taking a bit of a break from all the animation work. Its really mentally taxing so im doing some recoloring and mesh work for a bit to relax 😛

[past tundra]

@ocean jewel https://streamable.com/a4gjdk
Funny you mention this I was playing with phatomParam and wetAspect today and discovered that negative Alpha values in wetAspect really push foward the color set in the diffuse field of PhantomParam.
These 2 params really complete eachother.

[ocean jewel]

Is that a red glow or are the colors really that bright? did you color the dragon too? 😮

And you keep talking about parameters i dont recognize. Are you using cheat engin to do modding? When you said last time you were in dsms you had a cheat engin window open so that was confusing. I know people mod with cheat engin also, but ive got no experience with it

[past tundra]

@ocean jewel this can be done on all tools and requires only values changes in PhantomParam and WetAspectParam. These have R.G.B fields that can be changed to achieve any and all colors.

Yes the dragon was colored this way also

[past tundra]

When I say "Params" I refer to main name for all rows and fields that are in Dsms ParamEditor.

[ocean jewel]

ok i see it now