The 2 Vella faces we strongly prefer are:
- Current vella face
- Read 1
#Do not change Vella's face...
tawdry bloom
modern dirge
Please keep the Vella 👆
simple forge
Keep current Vella face please and thank you.
modern dirge
So you have nothing better to do than to be a dickhead, got it.
spice bronze
even though i'm against the changes the gif is kind of funny though
worn veldt
#Don't Change Vella's Face
tawdry bloom
Yes, we still want to keep the current Vella face, we still say no to an expression-less face 
tawdry bloom
It's fine to keep it that way 
solid flume
Cuack! 🤘
ancient harness
Hi
Vella is fine
you dont need to make her ugly
ugly
ugly
Iconic Vella wink > Sucking a booty hole
Unique > Ugly
Ugly aka she looks like Arisha
Ugly
legit she lost depth in her face
she looks easy to draw
literally
tawdry bloom
drifting plinth
Don't forget the side profile where they gave her a whoville inspired nose job and turned her lips into a beak
drifting plinth
Folks typically get plastic surgery to improve/remove those features, especially wanting fuller lips, not the reverse.
#Don'tChangeVella'sFace
#Don'tRuinVella'sFace
We have enough childlike, dolled up, generic, manufactured, uncanny valley, plastic surgery faces.
Vella's can stay unique as is.
latent kelp
I agree
barren fractal
Don't forget the side profile where they gave her a whoville inspired nose job a...
visual chasm
Ugly aka she looks like Arisha
my girl catching strays 
its ok Arisha i still luv u i hope they dont delete ur face
lethal bolt
its ok Arisha i still luv u i hope they dont delete ur face
Arisha still hsa the thousand yard stare 
visual chasm
head empty no thoughts 
drifting plinth
its ok Arisha i still luv u i hope they dont delete ur face
🐴
slim furnace
head empty no thoughts <:meowslurp:1145722987748806708>
hee hee whip go brr
tawdry bloom
+1 day of saying we don't want new face
worn veldt
How could they do this to Vella 
drifting plinth
modern dirge
"Until then, we eagerly await your suggestions"
modern dirge
How could they do this to Vella <:cry:560062749439295498>
KR playerbase love for turning every character as generic as possible.
tawdry bloom
modern dirge
Yeah here's my feedback, leave the face alone.
molten flame
tawdry bloom
Just let KR have them
gilded needle
All the effort spent on the new face could have been spent on brigid hair instead 
ancient harness
<:angrystare:1128614712020574270>
I look forward to seeing another car drive through their hq
barren fractal
I don't understand why dev asked feedbacks if they don't read much? 
What's point I wasted massive hours on feedbacks/report
of staff's stuff, almost no change on her, imagine Vella face
is easy to solve, probably they won't keep Vella original face 
barren fractal
solid flume
I'd say the point is to try to make it look like you are receptive, humble and open to give your customers the things they need. Would look even worse if they openly said something like "Don't bother requesting fixes or very specific things or way too extensive solutions. We don't care what you want or need. Just open the wallet and buy more things from Depot. You are here to buy, we are here to sell. Have a good day"
barren fractal
Well I keep believe that new face is like new char but
very less work job, so people might create Vella, so easy
money for them inner/hair/gear/outfit, etc 
gloomy edge
I'd say the point is to try to make it look like you are receptive, humble and o...
i prefer the latter
drifting plinth
I'd say the point is to try to make it look like you are receptive, humble and o...
tawdry bloom
We still no want the upcoming Vella face
solid flume
One more day to remind you Nexon that we don't want that Vella's face change in NA/EU server.
dull cradle
Hoping I won't have to smack some sense into someone. 
gloomy edge
Go to Korea
Smack allanon good
drifting plinth
Change his face
drifting plinth
Reminder to request not to change Vella's face with the coming update.
Don't make her an emotionless, lifeless, plastic doll. Keep the depth/dimensions and features of her face as they are.
drifting plinth
If that's what you choose to focus on in the raid and not the raid itself, that's on you.
woven skiff
sterile pivot
this chat is still alive?
i guess they should stop the change
and proceed to make an even uglier permanent face for vella
solid flume
Just
Don't
Bring
That
Vella's
Face
Change
to
NA/EU
Nexon.
Thank you
sterile pivot
it's not even that bad
just old ppl dramatizing over new changes
face has only been changed to be in line with other chars
would have been nice to have other options
but being so whiny about it won't make a change either
tawdry bloom
☝️
smoky ore
but being so whiny about it won't make a change either
Ppl are being "whiny" about it because the consensus in NA seems to be a preference for her old face, and Nexon has a history of ignoring us.
So they keep repeatedly bumping the issue to try to maximize the chances that their feedback is acknowledged and acted on
smoky ore
Maybe you don't see why it matters, but you don't play Vella. I think the Vella mains opinions matter a whole lot, and the ppl who don't play her shouldn't downplay the problem.
That's like them getting replacing Eira's signature hairstyle, then me, a Fiona player, says "get over it, the new hairstyle isn't bad"
smoky ore
We can't even get a yes or a no or a [ ✅ seen ]
To be fair, Shippuu confirmed that they have communicated the NA/EU feedback to Nexon
woven skiff
and?
tawdry bloom
To be fair, Shippuu confirmed that they have communicated the NA/EU feedback to ...
Yeah, and after this I it's waiting until patch day to see any reply if any
tawdry bloom
At least we did leave a very negative feedback about it
woven skiff
that's a YesSir or a NO?
solid flume
It's a YO. Or a NES
solid flume
She probably would look better than how she looks after the face change though
sterile pivot
That's like them getting replacing Eira's signature hairstyle, then me, a Fiona ...
they are making all signature hairstyles available to all chars anyway
it will just cost your kidney
woven skiff
they can take from others, dont tell anywhere 
sterile pivot
this is an opportunity for them to make p2w face changes
smoky ore
they are making all signature hairstyles available to all chars anyway
So you'd be fine if they just removed Eira's signature hairstyle from the game and no one could have it?
And it would be cool if a non Eira player told you that the change didn't matter because it didn't affect them?
woven skiff
i dont think i ever play with signature hairs 
gilded needle
it's not even that bad
Objectively, yes. The new face isn't horrific. But it is one of those things where we would be happier if they just left it as-is and they are actively working on making her face worse as far as NA cares when they could just... not
ashen sphinx
We just want **anything** <:kekw:705517520702144532>
im seeing if i can get a comment to relay
tawdry bloom
I'm fine if it's acknowledged here if it can be confirmed
gilded needle
Of course the ship has sailed and KR has the new face so they can't just walk it back entirely, and doing a split deployment would be more work overall
tawdry bloom
Well if they don't already test each deployment individually (ideally), then ofc
emphasis on ideally not being equal to realistically
solid flume
Would have found hard to believe capacity of abstraction and empathy was this hard for ppl. But well, seems a pebble can be more willing to understand. Life
woven skiff
its okay
woven skiff
u will gett used to it
solid flume
Nah it's just somewhat surprising to see. Not like it matters if they do or don't
Their opinions matters as much as feedback to Nexon. So. It doesn't matter AT ALL
smoky ore
I just want there to be a moderately easy way for Nexon to let us keep the old face, they do that, and they get a free win, because everyone in NA/EU will feel acknowledged, and Nexon barely had to do anything for it.
Not that I actually understand how easy or hard it would be.
tawdry bloom
If they can do that and later on possibly find a way to make it an appearance option, that'd be an extra win
For whoever actually wants the new face
solid flume
That ^
woven skiff
will feel acknowledged?
sterile pivot
if devs were more involved into the game, the playerbase would have been too, atm they are more preoccupied with making vindi 2 the succesful porn game than doing changes for the community in the default game
woven skiff
do it and gives us sry code is way better 😄
smoky ore
do it and gives us sry code is way better 😄
That's still acknowledgement and would be infinitely better than nothing. I even mentioned that on another feedback post.
ashen sphinx
Not that I actually understand how easy or hard it would be.
it has sizable downsides even if they find an easy way to do it
its why ive been skeptical of the possibility of two faces
smoky ore
and i mention a toggle on/off option
THAT'S hard
But yes, would definitely be the best possible solution.
woven skiff
tawdry bloom
Or the theoretically easiest but weird way to implement old vs new face
Would be to make it a video setting
Where it requires you restarting the game
smoky ore
Easiest but hardest way, create a whole ass new character that's literally just Vella, but with the different face
solid flume
ez fix is make all characters in NA/EU have from now on only original Vella face. Sylas Vella. Hurk Vella, Kai Vella and a long etc 
That would be the real win win for everybody
sterile pivot
Where it requires you restarting the game
whoever made settings this way already, had some serious issues
gloomy edge
"We look forward to your activation, and as always, await your valuable feedback."
I wonder why Allanon and Nexon are wasting the effort to lie to us?
Like just dont even translate it to english man
ancient harness
Maybe you don't see why it matters, but you don't play Vella. I think the Vella ...
This This This. I don’t understand these people who get mad at us for a change that affects is when literally they have no issue with it because it doesn’t affect them. Like why are these non-vella players so bent about us vella players venting and sending our feedbacks in the appropriate channels? Like they literally gotta go out of their way to come here or #vella as I don’t see people flooding gen chat with this issue
solid flume
Some ppl have just the urge to troll, or find an excuse to rage
solid flume
I didn't specifically say that, but as they say, i guess if the shoe fits....
quartz dune
Easiest but hardest way, create a whole ass new character that's literally just ...
Nexon could have just created playable Siete and raked in that 💰
solid flume
Another day, and going to ask again for this Vella's face change not to be implemented here in NA/EU Nexon. We don't like it. Thanks.
tawdry bloom
//It's not live or harmful code, only satire. The message isn't though.
function ShareOpinion(message){
alert(message);
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setInterval(
ShareOpinion('Reminder that we do not want the remodeled Vella face '),
86400000);```Reminder that we do not want the remodeled Vella face
tawdry bloom
Reminder that we do not want the remodeled Vella face
simple forge
Reminder that we do not want the remodeled Vella face <:angrystare:1128614712020...
👍
ancient harness
anyone else preparing for the garbage vella face?
pale basalt
Daily Reminder We Do Not Want New Vella Face
tawdry bloom
+1 reminder we no like the other Vella face (Not the one we currently have)
tawdry bloom
anyone else preparing for the garbage vella face?
Am ready
gilded needle
7 more days 
pale basalt
Confirmed next week for vella face change? 😭
tawdry bloom
Should be next week that we get patch
barren fractal
drifting plinth
Reminder that we do NOT want Vella's face to change with the update.
modern dirge
No, because it's not Vella.
modern dirge
It is true, money is the only thing Nexon cares about. If people keep spending then it just tells them everything is fine.
I'm not spending a dime on this game anymore.
tawdry bloom
I can 100% understand people losing interest in investing if it means the character can be altered without any opt out
And after that we hope they don't jump on another character
spice bronze
onlything that matters is the korean playerbase so you're unlikely to get the change
dont they have more players?
smoky ore
onlything that matters is the korean playerbase so you're unlikely to get the c...
Everyone here understands that already, but that's absolutely no reason to just accept it.
And as I've mentioned before, non-Vella players telling Vella players to get over it is just being an insensitive jerk.
In an extreme example, if the government uses eminent domain to take my house and bulldoze it to make a freeway, it would be a real dick move for someone whose house was NOT getting bulldozed to come over and say "stop complaining and just get over it".
Yeah, well your house isn't the one getting bulldozed, so maybe try to show a bit of empathy.
sterile pivot
Maybe these people should just get over it already if they have started using analogies like comparing a virtual game to real world assets
||this is how chat will be like in a few hours after this post||
modern dirge
Legit question, why the fuck are you even here?
gloomy edge
Real suggestion is to tell nexon to stop lying
If they dont intend on listening to NA feedback then they shouldn't lie and say that they do
sterile pivot
Legit question, why the fuck are you even here?
better question, why not?are u chasing me out? @ashen sphinx please get some control done on this chat
i am free to share my opinion as much as anyone else is, even if u don't like hearing about it
tawdry bloom
Except you never adressed the topic...
sterile pivot
Except you never adressed the topic...
You assume i never did
I said before in this chat too, that it would have been nice to get a 2nd face option too, but due to the maturity of some ppl in this chat being at kindergarten, i really don't feel pity if this change is irreversible
I won't joke on this chat anymore, if u don't have the level to comprehend that
modern dirge
You are such a cool person picking fights.
smoky ore
I love Vella's face, I don't want Nexon to change it, and every single person I know who actually plays Vella has agreed. I want them to acknowledge this and find some way to accommodate us.
spice bronze
Everyone here understands that already, but that's absolutely no reason to just ...
you really have to get over it, i'm against the changes but it's really unhealthy to obsess over it like this for this long the end is near
sooner or later
solid flume
Some people just jump too easy to conclusions. Expressing we don't like the new face doesn't mean we hate everything, doesn't mean we are overreacting, doesn't mean this is just a tantrum from some pampered spoiled brats. But we have simply the right, whether you like it or not, whether you share the point of view or not, and whether voicing our perspectives annoys you or not to say we don't like it and ask, if possible, to provide a way for us to have an alternative.
You just assume anyone here can't get over it. You confuse what is being in denial and what is simply to try to be firm about expressing something
pale basalt
Another day, another time of saying WE DO NOT WANT THE VELLA FACE CHANGE
tawdry bloom
https://tenor.com/view/toast-anime-concerned-gif-22128918
Here you go, since you said it's not healthy obsessing over something
So yeah we still don't want the Vella face change if it doesn't come with opt out
drifting plinth
Why is our saying that we don't want this change so controversial for folks that don't even play the character or seem not to care?
ashen sphinx
i actually dont get it either
to willingly join a thread just to say no, repeatedly
at what point does opposing the general opinion become hipster?
drifting plinth
Idk. It's like we're just supposed to be pushovers or something. If it's not that big of a deal, then why so much push back?
Says a lot about them, more than they're willing to admit.
Anyway, reminder that we do NOT want the face change
tawdry bloom
... Including the Discord server emojis
barren fractal
spice bronze
at what point does opposing the general opinion become hipster?
i only said its unhealthy one time
you yourself literally said you'd questioned someone sanity over the obssesion with this like a while back
tawdry bloom
The obsession of people telling us to stop typing that we're still against Vella's face change
spice bronze
"the obssesion of people telling us..." bro it's just two people telling you which is black sidus and me who made one comment on it
tawdry bloom
At least you get you're under an obsession
Either way, we still don't want face changes
ancient harness
to willingly join a thread just to say no, repeatedly
literally this, like I don't get it
its like someone who got amputated from a rare disease and can't get a prosthetic limb so we just tell them "get over it"
but then again it is the vindictus community so I should expect some brain damage from them too
gonna keep a mental note of this thread, and remember anyone who said to get over it when its their turn to get a shitty change/nerf/rework
gilded needle
Get over it
||Because they're coming for Miri next and I need everyone else to suffer with me 
||
/s of course, don't change Vella's face
spice bronze
At least you get you're under an obsession <:pepe_beepocute:1113199164042514442>
i think people get over things easy as you should some of you are borderline becoming unhinged with this, if kael gets reworked ill probably complain about it if its bad in the first few days like i did with vella but i'd drop it because at the end of the day it's nothing burger
if you get your feelings hurt by people telling you on one occasion to get over it you might have a problem
solid flume
Yeah sorry man, but the funny thing is that from your perspective, people here are obsessed with this topic. While from the perspective of some of us, you are the one that seems kinda obsessed about label us as obsessed. I could be wrong, but you do seem to project that with your comments. Like, you are trying soooo hard to look "casual" and "serene" about it. And also it would seem that for you, if we express something we don't agree with (Which you should keep in mind is the whole purpose of this post) then we are "borderline". We could say, in the opposite direction, you sound like someone who can give up easy, with a pessimistic and defeatist attitude which is perhaps why a group of people trying to be persistent, sounds like just a bunch of crying babies for you.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to insult you or being too bitter. But this is the kind of stuff that hardly sounds gentle . I can tell however, that you and us are not gonna agree on this matter. But the fact you "dislike" that we insist on this subject, won't stop us from keep doing it. So i honestly could just suggest you, that you save yourself the annoyance and stop coming to see this post, if it bothers you so much.
tawdry bloom
He's aware he's a circus at that point, and in the meantime
I don't want my Vella to go under a facial surgery I don't consent to
rugged vine
Vella’s new face literally looks like all of the newer characters released. Just like what they did with Fiona making her look like Lynn. We don’t need this
worn veldt
I always see a resemblance to Taylor Swift in my Vella, regardless of what anyone thinks. I know she was referenced off of real people like Scarlett Johansson and other western celebrities.
While reading to some of the posts, someone even made the comparison of the new facelift to Michael Jackson.
I though they were just making fun of it, but after looking into it I can see the resemblance, also noticed some her facial expressions got altered specifically her wink animation which was also pointed out in here, and it looks horrible compared to what it was, you have to be blind to not see it. So for them to change all that, her face appearance, without even taking into consideration of what other regions might think about a change, tells me that they only listen to what Korean players whine or care about.
I'm going to keep voicing my discontent for this change because this is suppose to be "feedback on this game" and I want them to see that I'm not happy with this upcoming change just like many others have done posting before me.
smoky ore
(that 
is in response to the 1st set of pictures, to be clear)
barren fractal
gloomy edge
hee-hee
ancient harness
Yeah sorry man, but the funny thing is that from your perspective, people here a...
What a fantastic response
ancient harness
I always see a resemblance to Taylor Swift in my Vella, regardless of what anyon...
Our Vellas are going to go to waste 
tawdry bloom
4 days until update, Please do not change her face 
pale basalt
DO NOT CHANGE VELLA'S FACE. WE DO NOT WANT IT.
#NOTMYVELLA
#DON'TCHANGEVELLA'SFACE
muted helm
I don’t even play this game anymore but out of all the girls I always loved Vellas look. I know some of y’all have spent enormous amounts of actual real money to make your vellas look how you want them to look. And for them to drastically change her face. Her lips and nose to me are what made her so distinct. Anyways it’s such a bummer really. I was never really good at playing Vella which is why I didn’t play her as much but I’m sorry. I really hope they don’t change her face for us
ancient harness
My face when it goes through and they make an apology post
Also this has to be the most talked about thread
Theres no way this feedback hasn’t been sent and received
quartz dune
I have already accepted the inevitable and said goodbye to my vella, but hoping still that by some miracle nexon doesnt go through with this... atleast for our region.
solid flume
Even the change going through next maint. We can keep asking they revert it. I mean, the chances are slim, but we have never been with the current in our favour to begin with.
smoky ore
In recent memory, the most active discussion thread used to be the one about Jordra stat reqs (which they DID actually change for us 
).
This thread has been much more active than that, and now, another thread has surpassed the Jordra thread, the one about being frustrated that Nexon doesn't listen to/respond to our feedback.
Ignoring our Vella feedback honestly feels a bit dangerous at this point.
quartz dune
nexon probably would have cared only if it was 1000+ whales expressing their dislike
tawdry bloom
For Jordra/Eisen, it's just annoying they didn't give as much leisure for access as they did with Taros on release. Even with the little lower adjustments, it leaves the issue of boats being potentially very hard to just fill for us
ancient harness
quartz dune
barren fractal
https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-dance-stare-gif-13029218
Real pic, AI blink/moving face
inland vortex
3 days from patch day, **KEEP THE VELLA FACE AS IT IS FOR US**
I think we could have one more week before Vella is sent to plastic surgery. The Event Notice calendar doesn't show any new event starting next Tuesday.
I think they'll have a special event for Vella's new face where they give all Vellas an appearance alteration coupon.
Of course, they could have just screwed up & forgot to include the event in the calendar.
gilded needle
The event calendar usually only shows "planned" events for mid-patch events
I don't think we've seen any for patch day events
tawdry bloom
I just follow gacha date atm, which can still be a bad indicator
As for events... They start when they feel like it I guess
tawdry bloom
I think they'll have a special event for Vella's new face where they give all Ve...
Nice, a whole bunch of nothing for the upcoming issue
inland vortex
The other thing is that we're around one month behind Korea, and the Vella patch in Korea was on 19 May
That would make 22 June the closest date.
gilded needle
But it's July...
tawdry bloom
I don't follow him either
inland vortex
Yeah, I mixed up the months. Lol
tawdry bloom
I'll just rely on gacha date here, and assume we'll be on same week as/2 days before KR until we see a 5 week gacha
quartz dune
regardless, the date when the patch drops is irrelevant unless they plan to address our dislike of the change
gilded needle
KR had a 5 week cycle last patch, I don't think we're due for one for another month or two
drifting plinth
hee-hee
barren fractal
inland vortex
KR had a 5 week cycle last patch, I don't think we're due for one for another mo...
Yeah, I guess you're probably right ... but it would have been nice to have one more week before they do the surgery
drifting plinth
I say the best way we show them that we don't want this change is to stop spending money.
drifting plinth
If we want them to listen to our opinions, we have to stop paying them for ignoring us 🤷♂️
solid flume
Sadly I believe if the server starts earning even less profit, they will just shut it down. As much as I would like to make pressure on them that way, I don't think in this particular case it would help
drifting plinth
tawdry bloom
2 more days
drifting plinth
Sadly I believe if the server starts earning even less profit, they will just sh...
Has to be a risk we're willing to take, but meh.
Either way, we do NOT want the face change forced on us. If that means they have to delay the rework entirely to consider one of the solutions provided, that'd be the smart thing to do.
quartz dune
I mean, if nexon only really cares about profit then that is the only thing they will listen to.
If people keep spending, they are simply going to ignore any voiced discontent since if it doesnt actually have any tangible effect then their takeway would easily be that either the "outrage" is simply performative or just a highly vocal minority...
Is there the possibility of nexon instead choosing to simply shut down the servers instead if enough people quit spending? certainly.
But the alternative in that case would be just accept that we dont have a voice that actually matters and even if heard by anyone, they are unlikely to actually listen.
smoky ore
The question is, is the spending from Vella players enough to justify the cost of creating a solution.
quartz dune
unfortunately, most definitely not for nexon.
unless it somehow ends up becoming a server wide thing and gains traction... but given how many players dont even interact with the discord all that much and are unlikely to care enough, dont actually see it happening.
and I am not just talking about the Vella face change, but the whole feedback system in general and whether or not Nexon actually needs to care about NA/EU's wishes when it comes to things that arent just tweaking numbers like battle requirements.
personally, am gonna just take Vella's fate and how Nexon decides to handle things as an indicator of how useful providing feedback actually is.
yes, this is not exactly the easiest thing for them to work on to our satisfaction and it is not as reasonable to expect the devs to try and cater to every request we may have.
but.... if this doesnt even get an acknowledgement of any sort... what motivation is left to bother with any future feedback?
tawdry bloom
If any face changes, I already plan on significantly lowering my spendings
solid flume
I would understand if it was something too complicated to do, too resource or time demanding to put it in motion, if they were to said something like that. But the fact that not a single mention, answer or direct deny of the request has been made, it's an even more insulting and mediocre attitude from Nexon than even the change itself.
And it stacks up with other things done, or not done by them where they show an immense lack of professionalism and ethics towards their customers. We are not taken into consideration because the profit that comes from western market is the smallest, but it's profit at the end of the day. They should keep in mind that at the very least, they owe us a respectful treatment because NA/EU has still given them, for several years now, income and support from the money spent by players.
ashen sphinx
so...i am stretching what i am allowed to say a bit, to even say this much but
"We are not taken into consideration"
this is not why there is no reply yet
and i dont think i can say anything further
nexon is very aware of the feedback/sentiment
gilded needle
Anyone who claims we aren't taken into consideration either has their head completely buried in the sand or are complaining in bad faith
They may deem that giving us special handling is not worth the investment in most cases, but it's clear they do occasionally give us special handling
solid flume
Maybe it's better expressed in a line like "this attitude gives a heavy impression of barely being respected and taken into consideration" if absolutes matter that much
solid flume
nexon is very aware of the feedback/sentiment
Very aware doesn't mean they care to do something about it. And don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to throw hate at them. I'm just saying that from this side of the stick, with weeks and weeks passing by without anything as simple as "We'll see if there's something we can do guys" from them not you, it doesn't give a feeling of satisfaction or much interest from their end. I would think that feeling and sensation could be understood on our current conditions regarding this matter, not necessarily agreed upon it, but understood.
gilded needle
Imagine if they decided to monetize it, add a special gacha to the shop with a slightly worse price than normal, and if they can get $XXXX in sales on that specific gacha then they put in the dev work to keep the old face 
quartz dune
Anyone who claims we aren't taken into consideration either has their head compl...
has there been a case outside of number tweaking where we were given "special handling" in recent times? 
gilded needle
The lack of QB reqs on board battles is probably the most notable one
quartz dune
that is number tweaking though
quartz dune
I was talking more in the context of harder to implement
gilded needle
But it's something that has a profound impact on gameplay on our server
quartz dune
not ticking or unticking a box
smoky ore
Doing anything "hard to implement" is probably a monumental ask honestly.
(just for NA/EU I mean)
gilded needle
The most recent thing like that I can think of is adding the choice between EN voices and KR voices, and then the additional option to do one for battle shouts and another for voice lines
quartz dune
like say for example, maintaining different faces is not as simple as not "checking the box" to implement QB stats
gilded needle
That was like 5 years ago though
But that is still moving the goal posts a bit
The point is if they take us into consideration at all
Which they clearly do, even if we aren't happy with the result 95% of the time
quartz dune
nah,the point is if we are worth putting any "actual effort" in
not requiring qb stats outside of qb and lowering std requirements do not fall into that category
smoky ore
nexon is very aware of the feedback/sentiment
Thank you Shippuu, I know many of us are frustrated, but I greatly appreciate the effort you are putting in to communicate between us and Nexon.
quartz dune
the voices... perhaps, but I am gonna take it as a rather low bar since it is like the bare minimum when it comes to localization for a game like vindi
gilded needle
I also find it humorous that Shippuu, a literal Nexon contractor, coming to tell us that Nexon actually cares at least a little, is often overlooked for whatever reasons
quartz dune
because results > empty words from the devs
it is like allanon going "your feedback is valuable to us"
solid flume
"Your feedback is valuable to us....but not that much to actually follow it....if you are in NA"
gilded needle
the voices... perhaps, but I am gonna take it as a rather low bar since it is li...
It was still real dev work, I mean what do you expect
I'm sure a fair bit of our feedback does also impact the game as a whole, more than just the specific features that we get for our client in particular
Be glad they haven't removed the AP shop 
quartz dune
It was still real dev work, I mean what do you expect
I am used to higher standards from devs, that is what I expect here as well
smoky ore
The issue is probably in communication. Someone made a post that we feel unheard, and I think that's the most real problem.
solid flume
Haha well, who knows what will happen. It's not the end of the world, but also is important for those who believe they have the right, to keep asking and being perseverant.
gilded needle
I am used to higher standards from devs, that is what I expect here as well
If you want a higher standard, go play a game that actually makes money
quartz dune
If you want a higher standard, go play a game that actually makes money <:meowsl...
Vindi certainly makes enough for them to keep around, so...
smoky ore
It's gotten to this point because we already feel like we WILL be ignored, when we technically don't even know what's going to happen to Vella's face for us.
quartz dune
unless you are implying that nexon is keeping na/eu alive at a loss
gilded needle
tbh if it wasn't for Maple, Vindi would probably have died years ago
At least here in the West
It only kinda survives due to pooled costs for things like support and IT
quartz dune
Doing anything "hard to implement" is probably a monumental ask honestly.
and this is also part of the problem. it should not be considered as a "monumental ask" to request things harder than changing a line of code
smoky ore
and this is also part of the problem. it should not be considered as a "monument...
I said "hard to implement"
I didn't say "harder than 1 line of code"
quartz dune
I didn't say "harder than 1 line of code"
wasnt implying that you did, but adding to it in the sense of vella face change vs say for example QB stat reqs
like if Korea is all they care about and NA/EU despite having people who do pay for the game over here, the pretending just comes across as an insult
gilded needle
When you consider process for approvals and testing and such, "small" divergence in the code can have unexpectedly large financial impacts. Every difference between ours and KR's clients has a small but continual cost. "Number tweaks" are much cheaper to deal with than changing actual code
quartz dune
hell, you get more for free out of modders for games like skyrim and compared to that, it is hard to feel sympathy for vindi's dev team
gilded needle
Most of the problem is really just down to Nexon policy more than anything else
quartz dune
that is not "hard work" for the devs though
smoky ore
like if Korea is all they care about and NA/EU despite having people who do pay ...
I'm pretty sure that Shippuu literally just confirmed that the lack of response is NOT because they don't care.
quartz dune
I'm pretty sure that Shippuu literally just confirmed that the lack of response ...
like I said, words are free
gilded needle
If nexon was less jealous of their IP and data, and was more open to transparency, a lot of issues would go away
But Nexon's gonna Nexon
quartz dune
and for the record, I am not blaming shippu for this.
I am saying that I take nexon's words like that of politicians
they can just sat "oh we certainly care" and then just give a coupon for reslinian dye or something, but that does nothing in the end
gilded needle
that is not "hard work" for the devs though
I can tell you that at my workplace, a "5 minute" code change can easily cost many hundreds of dollars to actually implement. It's not about difficulty of the actual task, it's about identifying what to do, testing it, deploying it, and then maintaining it
It's not "hard" but it realistically costs hundreds in labor
I don't mean to be a Nexon apologist but there are hard realities of maintaining a live software service
smoky ore
Just saying, he went out of his way to tell us they are aware and it's not that they don't care, and it's stirred up a big shit show about how they don't care.
I say let Nexon show us what they are going to do before continuing to claim we don't matter. And just keep bumping this thread and having discussions while we wait about why we love Vella's og face and why it matters to us.
quartz dune
I don't mean to be a Nexon apologist but there are hard realities of maintaining...
I am not gonna shed tear over bad bureaucracy and neither should it be upto the players to swallow the bitterness of it
smoky ore
If we make it clear that our forgone conclusion is that we don't matter, they have no incentive to change their behavior.
We have some feedback, now we hold judgement and see if they deliver
gilded needle
As a good example showing how Nexon actually does care about us: We got an English version of the dev note talking about the Eriu changes on Test when we were never even given any info about test, because they know we have eyes over there
smoky ore
Feel free to keep meming on the faux Vella Michael Jackson impersonator though, let 'em know we won't stop caring.
gilded needle
You could argue that they should give us the test patch notes too in the first place, but they already gave like 70% of the useful info a month in advance of it
quartz dune
Just saying, he went out of his way to tell us they are aware and it's not that ...
I mean, if I ask you for 1bil gold loan and promise to pay within the next month are you going to believe me?
same here. words dont mean anything. actions do and I havent seen any of that from nexon
gilded needle
We also get all of the dev notes roughly at the same time as Korea
Always within 24 hours, often under 1
quartz dune
As a good example showing how Nexon actually does care about us: We got an Engli...
and how hard is it to type words lol?
I dont get the whole "be grateful that they are feeding us leftover breadcrumbs from korea" thing tbh
gilded needle
Uh
You're asking for proof in their actions that they aren't completely careless about us
quartz dune
like, why should NA/EU be showering praises at nexon for doing the bare minimum required?
gilded needle
They are clearly making an attempt to keep the West in the loop
smoky ore
I mean, if I ask you for 1bil gold loan and promise to pay within the next month...
Look, all I'm saying is that presumably, the reason we don't get direct feedback from Nexon is because there are lots of people who are angry assholes.
If we are respectful and appreciative when they DO give us feedback, and only give negative feedback when they screw up and deserve it, then we are more likely to get more communication.
gilded needle
like, why should NA/EU be showering praises at nexon for doing the bare minimum ...
So you agree they're doing at least the bare minimum?
End of convo
quartz dune
You're asking for proof in their actions that they aren't completely careless ab...
that is not "caring". that is like saying they care about us by keeping the servers on
quartz dune
So you agree they're doing at least the bare minimum? <:good:642765743766896661>
I am not asking for the bare minimum, that is the whole thing
because bare minimum is expected
gilded needle
Again if you want more than the bare minimum, Vindi is not the place to find it
quartz dune
I mean, the whole rant is that vindi has become the place where it cant be found
quartz dune
Look, all I'm saying is that presumably, the reason we don't get direct feedback...
respectful and appreciative of empty words that do nothing? yeah, no ty
and pretty sure korea has plenty of angry ones as well. so not an excuse
smoky ore
And ppl wonder why Nexon doesn't respond to feedback directly 
quartz dune
it is not like we are the ones who trashed on allanon on stage, korea did
gilded needle
FWIW not even Korea gets directed feedback appreciation
The korean playerbase just has a bit more pull in general
quartz dune
no, but certainly gets what they want in the end over everyone else
gilded needle
But Nexon addresses things just as vaguely
quartz dune
they can choose not to respond at all, but if they choose not to implement... that is the issue.
and if they are going to implement, then addresing it is not really going to end their world
smoky ore
They do implement, but in their implementation, they don't cite our feedback as the reason for implementation, which is why we feel so unheard.
quartz dune
They do implement, but in their implementation, they don't cite our feedback as ...
again, where have they implemented anything that couldnt have been done by some unpaid intern?
gilded needle
Interns are not free, especially the unpaid ones
quartz dune
changing a number from say for example 12000 to 11750 is not hard work
quartz dune
Interns are not free, especially the unpaid ones
meh, should just open vindi to modding then if nexon is that impotent when it comes to dev work 😂
gilded needle
changing a number from say for example 12000 to 11750 is not hard work
Unironically - It is actually a lot harder than you'd expect
Yes the literal action of changing the number is absolutely trivial
The 2 hour long meeting with 10 people discussing it...
quartz dune
and nexon's bureaucracy is not the player's fault
so no sympathy towards that from me
gilded needle
Nexon's buraucracy is the reason why the game exists
quartz dune
and nexon exists due to player's wallet
ashen sphinx
the numbers chosen are not random or arbitrary
quartz dune
never said they were, nor is that relevant
ashen sphinx
changing a number from say for example 12000 to 11750 is not hard work
sure, changing the number, in the literal sense, is not hard work
the research to pick the new number probably was
gilded needle
never said they were, nor is that relevant
Decision making is expensive, very relevant
quartz dune
so people should no longer be expected to do the job they are paid to?
gilded needle
Wut
quartz dune
like if a cook cant decide how much salt to use and considers it to be rather hard backbreaking work, should find a new cook
same for devs
ashen sphinx
guess you've never come up with a new recipe before
quartz dune
I have
ashen sphinx
doesnt sound like it
ashen sphinx
rule of thumb: if your assumption to every problem is that its actually very easy and obvious, and you dont understand why its an issue
thats probably a huge sign that there are things you dont know
this applies to anything
quartz dune
not an assumption though
and if your answer to everything is to defend lazy workers, that is a huge sign that you are simply being an apologist
gilded needle
My job involves writing code for a multinational corporation, nothing is "simple" about it lol
quartz dune
it is like "oh your doctor accidentally prescribed you the wrong medication? give him a break because he has been working while tired as hell and you should be grateful he even saw you"
quartz dune
My job involves writing code for a multinational corporation, nothing is "simple...
and I have done plenty of modding, the things being discussed in context here are simple
and no, not the bureaucracy again
gilded needle
Yeah, modding is definitely not the same
quartz dune
it is harder yes, since you have more constraints
gilded needle
quartz dune
like, I cant mod vindi even if I wanted to... not that I want to
tawdry bloom
Coder as well, except we have the habit of putting literally everything behind a config switch so customization is a yes
ashen sphinx
it is harder yes, since you have more constraints
lmao
quartz dune
lmao
I mean, I dont have access to loose files for vindi like the devs do. or do you disagree?
ashen sphinx
I mean, I dont have access to loose files for vindi like the devs do. or do you ...
how many people are on your bug testing staff for your mods?
to ensure it works on most devices?
on payroll or explicitly volunteer workers for pre-release
quartz dune
to ensure it works on most devices?
it works on all devices that support the version of the game and no bug testing staff for volunteer work
ashen sphinx
not post-release bug reports
gilded needle
You're making a false comparison Vani - Modding is, in general, far simpler than working for a company because labor is free, you have no manager, and you have total creative freedom within whatever technical constraints you choose to impose on yourself, e.g. through selection of game, technology, and so on
ashen sphinx
so you fly by the seat of your pants doing whatever
quartz dune
You're making a false comparison Vani - Modding is, in general, far simpler than...
and all the more reason why modding is harder
gilded needle
Yes, modding Vindi is borderline impossible. But modding in general is not
quartz dune
nah, in general it is
gilded needle
Technically speaking, modding Vindi is actually quite easy. You will just get banned instantly the moment the game detects it
quartz dune
unless the devs are as generous as to give you the source code itself
ashen sphinx
meteor swarm came from a mod, seemingly
quartz dune
you will always have more work
ashen sphinx
nothing was ever said about it, but an unofficial mod forever back had it before it was added
from some random person
it was likely wholly recreated rather than copied, especially since its function is different, but visually its striking
the modder probably put it together in a few hours of work, maybe a day
nexon likely spent weeks on it since the standard is much higher
quartz dune
_Technically_ speaking, modding Vindi is actually quite easy. You will just get ...
pretty sure the files are encrypted and no one has decrypted those, so... not "easy"
gilded needle
The funny thing about your comparison too is that the comparison is more...
Modder: I want to mod vindi, but there is too much technical challenge so I just won't
Company: We need to mod vindi, figure it out
As the employee at the company, your only options are to figure it out or quit
The only major thing helping the company is that a company likely has the money to possibly make a B2B deal with Nexon
But even then it would be a protracted and very annoying process
quartz dune
Modder: I want to mod vindi, but there is too much technical challenge so I just...
not technical challenge though
gilded needle
pretty sure the files are encrypted and no one has decrypted those, so... not "e...
Hm?
gilded needle
not technical challenge though
?
quartz dune
by people*
gilded needle
Ah yes, Allanon is hovering over my chair with a fly swatter ready to smack my hands the second I look in the hfs directory
quartz dune
I mean, vindi devs dont have that issue
so they have it easier on that front
unless I am mistaken and they themselves no longer have access to the files
quartz dune
nexon likely spent weeks on it since the standard is much higher
the standard might have been higher once upon a time, but given everything recently.... calling nexon's standards high is 🤣
ashen sphinx
for a modder, if the new addition crashes the game for most people who try to use it, no big deal
but if the game crashed for most party members when anyone used meteor swarm, that would be a problem for nexon
quartz dune
cut and paste outfits, plenty of bugs including the one that made chain vella near unplayable recently, nexon's brilliant directx11 thing....
we still have issues with multi core thingy, plenty of evie staff bugs....
when you have decade old bugs still unfixed remaining in the software, that is not a particularly high standard
though, I dont blame them too much for that since multiple team changes and spaghetti code
especially with evie
latent kelp
Anyone who claims we aren't taken into consideration either has their head compl...
This is entirely false. Its bad faith saying that they are making changes or taking into account anything to do with Vindictus when nothing has been changed or reverted with the NA/EU audience for years. Who wanted fatigue? Who wanted tuning? Who wanted att surplus through the roof? No one did. But all this was placed because a different region that has more pull than us wanted more to do and a bigger challenge. We USED to have some special treatment but that is long gone. Im not saying the game should be stale and have no updates but it's clear KR opinions and complaints far outweigh any other region by miles.
Also vella face change is ugly as hell and will have no distinction between the other baby face characters that KR loves. They took a chance with vella 12 years ago and since then no female character has looked different.
ancient harness
Imagine if I was a game company and made it part of a business model to not take a "certain race/country" into consideration because its only a few of them
gilded needle
This is entirely false. Its bad faith saying that they are making changes or tak...
Being taken into consideration isn't the same as being catered to. The sum total of players between the Asia servers easily outnumbers NA+EU by 10:1, so it makes sense that they have the priority, even if it wasn't their native market. At the end of the day the game is what it is, and a backwater region like ours can only command so much change
Also some people on NA most certainly did want ALR through the roof 
Anything for that rank one
quartz dune
a starving man asks for food, someone says they know the man is starving and is not ignoring that fact but then simply leaves.
the man is supposed to feel grateful that he was not invisible... and the man's name? Albert Einstein
gilded needle
The man is only starving because he thinks himself too good to go to the soup kitchen the passerby volunteers at and already invited him to
quartz dune
so... go to korea en masse, get korean citrizenship and then complain? got it
didnt know allanon was giving out citizenships like coupons tho
gilded needle
You're complaints will have just as much weight there as it does here
quartz dune
nah, that is where the "en masse" part comes in
gilded needle
Even if you're an American, you can't be more than like 3 people's worth of weight
quartz dune
no, but dont need to be either. we are talking korea, not china/india
latent kelp
Being taken into consideration isn't the same as being catered to. The sum total...
Ok so we just dont matter then. Thats the point im making. Also to elaborate on your pov of ALR, people who were already at the highest stat points during even the 90 days wanted more stuff to be rank one. But it gets ridiculous with how disconnected they are.
You would think that "Hey this region isnt that much of a fan of this, lets see if the other regions are on board" but no its just lets drop this change and "we'll look into it" when we know it isnt
we USED to have some special treatment but thats all gone
gilded needle
Ok so we just dont matter then. Thats the point im making. Also to elaborate on ...
Why does it have to be black and white?
quartz dune
because 50 shades of gray sucks
gilded needle
The thing is I largely agree that our voice is tiny, but it's clearly not non-existent
latent kelp
Then as others have pointed out, they have not addressed it at all. only CM's have
And not to dig at them cause theyre just doing their part
gilded needle
So it's not good enough that a Nexon contractor says something? It has to be an... Other nexon contractor/employee?
latent kelp
but its all heresay until someone else on a dev team addresses anything
latent kelp
So it's not good enough that a Nexon contractor says something? It has to be an....
In my opinion yes
gilded needle
quartz dune
it needs to be seen in action rather than words*
like to go with the soup kitchen example, sure the passerby might work there but if the person gets no food after going there as well... then the entire thing was pointless to the one starving.
if anything, he has now spent more energy just to be turned away
gilded needle
The game is here in its entirety for you to enjoy, it is up to you whether you enjoy it or not
gilded needle
You are not being turned away, you just aren't given the metaphorical wheel of control
quartz dune
The game is here in its entirety for you to enjoy, it is up to you whether you e...
and the devs have the entirety of their jobs still. they are not being fired, just rightfully scolded
latent kelp
But simply, they are contracted by Nexon but they can only reflect what is being told to them not make any decisive decisions. Hence why I dont dig at them cause its not their fault.
quartz dune
and vindi is not a charity either, it is a business.
only natural that players expect certain things from the devs in return for their time and money
latent kelp
@quartz dune You know you got some valid points my friend. kudos to you.
latent kelp
and vindi is not a charity either, it is a business.
only natural that players e...
Its a stretch nowadays though
barren fractal
Be ready to see Vella (new face) with new outfit from gacha 
gilded needle
If nothing else, Tuesday will be a good test for how much they actually care about us, considering there are multiple outspoken vella whales here, and the change likely will have a real impact on their bottom line in the short term
ashen sphinx
i dont think its a direct test either way
gilded needle
It's not. But if they walk it back it is also definitely attributable to our feedback
More of a mystery if they don't
pale basalt
*feels the growing nightmare of seeing Vella in gacha teaser tomorrow*
You just gave me a nightmare, and i'm awake.
gilded needle
<t:1752562800:R>
drifting plinth
You just gave me a nightmare, and i'm awake.
Uh oh
Anyways who’s ready for the apology coupon?
inland vortex
Anyways who’s ready for the apology coupon?
Lol. Yeah that would be so on-brand for Nexon. Hand out a cadet badge & 1 week VVIP as "compensation" for Vella's new face.
quartz dune
well.... rip vella. you shall live in our memories.
solid flume
I have a bag full of
Please revert Vella's face change
with your name on it Nexon 
simple forge
anyone else preparing for the garbage vella face?
yes
rugged vine
Vella Jackson is on her way! The second most disappointing thing next to English VAs ruining Lann and Evies voice
quartz dune
gloomy edge
Tomorrow is vindi Michael Jackson day
Imagine nexon also released Michael Jackson dances
pale basalt
masks on
drifting plinth
Reminder that we do NOT want the face change at all.
visual chasm
ancient harness
fuck you nexon
allanon
hwo ever decided this garbage shit
just a big fuck you
solid flume
An appearance alteration coupon is kinda silly when I can not tweak or change facial features in any way, as it's possible in Black Desert's character customization. But meh.
However it is, Nexon, revert this face change and give us back Vella's original face. You made her look absolutely monstrous
barren fractal
So where is Vella cosplaying on Michael Jackson today? 
ancient harness
@ me in the post when someone makes a “Revert Vellas Face” post
smoky ore
simple forge
The audacity of this patch note to say "Improved character face"
where's the improvement?
it's horrific
the oversized nose casts an intense shadow in some places, making her look like a clown...
just take a look at this beak
you have to have some serious nerve to call this an improvement
gilded needle
That kissing wink is absolutely awful what the heck is wrong with them lmao
simple forge
everything is absolutely awful
gilded needle
Having a prominent chin is too unfeminine I guess 
simple forge
even the earing is in the wrong place
gilded needle
Gotta shave off about a whole inch of jawbone
simple forge
at least they thanked us for our understanding
it's also funny how the missing cheekbone makes the eye look way bigger when viewed from the side
so she looks like a baloon with eyes drawn on, and a beak for good measure
and when you view her like this:
she just looks sad, like even she doesn't like what happened
rugged vine
the oversized nose casts an intense shadow in some places, making her look like ...
She looks like another Lethor copy pasta
simple forge
and they changed keybinds I've been using for over a decade...
like, what the actual f...
simple forge
She looks like another Lethor copy pasta
I wish, at least hen she'd be at least halfway decent
it's like if Lethor got the worst nose job in history
simple forge
and they changed keybinds I've been using for over a decade...
I guess it does allow for faster use of backlash, tho it's still gonna take some getting used to.
maybe I'm not smart, but can someone please explain how a body alteration cupon is meant to help me fix vella's face, did I miss the option to change the character's face ourselves?
gilded needle
It's not. All regions got it and they're just passing it off as an apology here lmao
simple forge
I have a novel idea, they bring the old face back and appologize to Korea instead. Like "sorry guys, you got 20 other generic faced bimbos, we decided to let them have this one".
I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now.
simple forge
Before and after, so we can always remember what was lost on this day.
gilded needle
I'll never understand
simple forge
time to make a new topic "Bring back Vella's old face." in the feedback
we'll bribe Korea to vote yes, and it'll work
The new face looks like it was generated by a really crappy AI model from 2 years ago...
ancient harness
Before and after, so we can always remember what was lost on this day.
July 15 2025 Vella died
ancient harness
i hope they get what they deserve
garbage
at this point
i hope NA/EU shuts down
they dont give a flying fuck about us
"I'm sorry, heres a coupon"
absolute garbage
pale basalt
I don't even want to login now 😭 😭 😭 waking up to see this...
ancient harness
yeah im done with vindi, im done given them any money
tawdry bloom
I don't know what the prem coupon does
But in this scenario, it's like a vegan worm on a fish hook
barren fractal
barren fractal
yeah im done with vindi, im done given them any money
You are like years too far to realize, I know that Nexon
won't give us money back, one day early or later, they
will shut down server, ofc, all our money will be gone
very obvious, is how games online work, that's
why I tried avoid it all cost to spend money
barren fractal
Earrings are worst for new Vella face, show me pics 
modern dirge
... Bruh that wasn't there
Going bald oof
gilded needle
Remember, you always have the option of doing a chargeback for any NX you bought in the last 5-ish months because you paid for a product that was delivered not-as-advertised
You'll just have to get your NX out of the negatives if you want to ever play your account again
barren fractal
dull cradle
New thread is up: https://discord.com/channels/529656246962356244/1394722405120737471
drifting plinth
Just when I thought Nexon couldn't afford to hemorrhage more players and throw money away, they go and do this. An appearance alteration coupon does fuck all to "help" with the unwanted face change, and pretty much just spits in our faces.
gloomy edge
Booty is gone 
pale basalt
solid flume
Their "improvement" of Vella's face has to be heavily improved. Give back her smirk and polish her gestures. And for God's sake, fix that nose. Returning the original face is something that might be not practical at this point, but they really should focus on make further and better tweaks to her face because this is very badly unfinished
simple forge
Their "improvement" of Vella's face has to be heavily improved. Give back her sm...
returning the old face is as simple as just putting the already existing model back and typing a reference to it, it's a 2 minute job for an intern, it's as simple of an action as it gets.
gilded needle
It's not that simple. It is a simple change, but it's not that simple.
solid flume
Well yeah, but i mean, they won't do that because they want to have this face change trying to appeal the korean playerbase. Therefore i think they should instead work further this facial revamp
gilded needle
Based on the dev note, I'd wager that a face option actually is in the cards, they just weren't able to do anything about it in time for the release
Time will tell
solid flume
I was expecting the change to go through, that's no surprise at all honestly, but at the same time, doesn't mean this change is final, they can have plans or maybe they are working on some alternative, and it's why i have stated that we should keep asking kindly they do so.
gilded needle
It's clear that someone on internal staff is well aware of how unpopular it is here
gloomy edge
It's clear that someone on internal staff is well aware of how unpopular it is h...
Well aware and dont care
inland vortex
It's not that simple. It is a simple change, but it's not _that_ simple.
I think it really is that simple a change. I mean, a couple of time I went to the Avatar area & my Neam's face was replaced by Lann's face.
They have face models that are attached to body models.
gilded needle
Not going to get into the same argument about this again - tl;dr just because something is technically simple on the surface doesn't mean it's free. I fully agree that the change is simple enough that it should be made for how much of an impact it would have relative to the cost. But pushing changes through corporate process is never as simple as outsiders expect it to be.
inland vortex
I doubt they went to the trouble of going through all the individual cosmetics & adjusting them to Vella's new face. So, the cosmetics would fit both Vella's new face & old face.
gilded needle
They couldn't even be bothered to rename the event in-game
smoky ore
Based on the dev note, I'd wager that a face option actually is in the cards, th...
I've been saying this, hope is not entirely lost... But if they have any intention of doing this, or at least trying, they really need to let us know. NOW
gilded needle
It was posed as an apology on the website, but a celebration in-game
smoky ore
Because they are hemorrhaging non-negative will right now
("non-negative will" being the most positive way I could describe any "good will" Vella players had left before the patch)
simple forge
Not going to get into the same argument about this again - tl;dr just because so...
oh yeah, pushing trough corporate is usually the complicated part. But honestly if they went trough the trouble of doing that the first time, they could have at least made the face decent. This thing is horrific.
pale basalt
They couldn't even be bothered to rename the event in-game <:PepeLaff:1314883777...
/celebration event/
pale basalt
More like a funeral
restive geyser
lot of good an alteration coupon does... I can't manipulate her facial bone structure. Maybe if this was BDO sure. Joke "gift"
lethal bolt
so Vella's plastic surgery went ahead.....
rugged vine
Just when I thought Nexon couldn't afford to hemorrhage more players and throw m...
Thanks a lot Nexon. You made Bootyjuice quit. I hope you’re happy
barren fractal
smoky ore
Is Gosu leaving too?
tawdry bloom
Gosu only logs on for gremlin attendance
gilded needle
He said he's gonna quit after getting the gremlin check in
tawdry bloom
So 125 hits, Gosu hits the road
gloomy edge
That's another whale gone
gilded needle
🫡
smoky ore
That's big sad. His lifetime contribution to Gacha by now probably would have entirely paid for whatever it would cost Nexon to find a way to let us keep her old face 
gilded needle
gloomy edge
Allanon is allergic to money
All they had to do was find a way to monetize faces which opens up a vast moneymaking opportunity for the foreseeable future
smoky ore
I wonder if they save that data for "amount spent by each player". You could send them feedback being like "this is how much I have been worth to you. I will leave, you will lose this money"
Well, future money anyways
gilded needle
I'm pretty sure the cost would be on the order of 10k dollars to provide a reasonable solution for everyone that could itself be monetized
gloomy edge
Id definitely pay for siete face man
smoky ore
Yeah, that sounds about right. It would definitely be expensive, but not infeasible, and probably worthwhile.
gloomy edge
Instead we are forcefed Michael Jackson
gilded needle
Yeah, that sounds about right. It would definitely be expensive, but not infeasi...
Throw a $10 face swap coupon in the depot and you just need 1000 sales to pay it off, ignoring all other factors
gloomy edge
All the work they go into designing different AC proportions and they can't figure out how to provide more face options?
Might as well be burning money
modern dirge
All they had to do was find a way to monetize faces which opens up a vast moneym...
It's a smart idea, too bad they didn't seem to think of it.
All the money they could have made from KR from this update 
gloomy edge
Let's make it another official thread #1395086059175546930
ancient harness
Is Gosu leaving too?
yeah after this gremlin event, im gonna uninstall
molten flame
seeing the actual new vella face in-game is somehow even worse than expected.... literally feeling sick 🤮
ancient harness
tell me about it
just dont say it in #vella or they'll tell you to get over it and stop complaining
smoky ore
Where were they? Shouldn't they have been voting 
on this feedback thread?
I see 2 no's and 61 yeses. And I know for certain that one person actually doesn't care and was intentionally trolling.
ancient harness
Yup
solid flume
visual chasm
just dont say it in <#529723403339431936> or they'll tell you to get over it an...
the "get over it crowd" when the game shuts down because every dedicated player got pushed out by unnecessary changes:
ancient harness
beep bop give back old vella face pls
pale basalt
fuck whoever thought this was a good idea. BRING OLD FACE BACK
quartz dune
***fuck whoever thought this was a good idea. BRING OLD FACE BACK***
That downgrade... she lost all warmth of life and became a cold, lifeless doll looking thing
pale basalt
like how the FUCK does anyone find that remotely better?
gilded needle
pale basalt
modern dirge
***fuck whoever thought this was a good idea. BRING OLD FACE BACK***
Lol the stare has me dead
lethal bolt
did we ever matter.....
pale basalt
lol no
With how they half assed the change, it's not just a no, but a FUCK NO.
Then had the audacity to slap us with a useless alteration coupon that does NOTHING to help with the face. A perma makeup coupon would've been nice, it's the only way the face is even decently acceptable, but nooope.
Ill keep a very slim beam of hope we will be respected enough to go back on this change, or at least have the devs FIX this monstrosity of a botch job and make it better.
But until then? Fuck 'em lol.
modern dirge
The is only one option
We must dismantle the oppressive establishment board by board.
gilded needle
Fiona's not going to be nearly as hot a topic as Vella
pale basalt
pale basalt
The more I look at it, the more It solidifies that the lipstick lip illusion is the saving grace, hooooooly shit
hybrid sentinel
the fiona change is as bad for a fiona main as the vella change is for a vella main, not giving players any choice is unacceptable and I see this as someone who plays neither
muted helm
Nah the Fiona change is terrible. Doesn't even look like her at all (I'm a Fiona main)
I'm pissed
I hated the Vella face change too
simple forge
oh snap, Fiona is next
I like how they go "we chose a bold leap into the character's future"
how about you choose to boldly stop ruining the characters
bold leap my ass, bold generic korean bimbo time for all.
and why are all their expressions so depressed, at least make them smile ffs/
solid flume
Fiona new face doesn't look aaaall that bad imo, although i don't really think it was necessary. I wish Vella's face change would have been less......mediocre
ancient harness
Fiona new face doesn't look *aaaall that bad* imo, although i don't really think...
Tell me about it
muted helm
Basically getting rid of all the character and charm that Fiona and Vella had
visual chasm
Fionas change isnt ALL bad (definitely nowhere near as bad as whatever happened to Vella) but its still an extremely unnecessary change and more character assassination the game really doesnt need
pissing off two of the oldest, most dedicated playerbases when the playercount is already struggling is just such a weird move imo
smoky ore
Do we think we are more likely to have our issues addressed if we focus just on Vella, or make this a problem for everyone?
On one hand, you could say "this pressures them to give us the option to revert/support all new faces. But honestly, I suspect that doing that is effectively impossible. Nexon will not dedicate the budget to maintain 2 separate face models.
I think if we focus on Vella, because her face change ACTUALLY matters, we can show Nexon that that 1 face is what truly matters, because THAT one was really an important part of the character's identity. That way, they might think, "ok, we can accommodate your feedback for this one character, because we know you care so much" rather than "well if you're just going to be upset with every face that we change (and we WILL change faces, because that's what KR wants), then you're just gonna have to deal with it, because we can't give you ALL the old faces"
barren fractal
Oh I realize now that new Vella face added is because
they have plan to add Vella on Vindictus: Defying Fate
worn veldt
All I know is that Vella's new face was done in hurry and ended up looking atrocious, her expressions still look bad in town/battle.
ancient harness
They need to revert vellas face and do a touch up
Not a fking redo
It was a botched rush job
And of course it had to be vella
pale basalt
solid flume
Vella's signature smirk is lost and now Fiona's going to lose her pouting expression too. These facial changes are truly killing the individuality and distinctive features of the characters
Do koreans also like, beside having plastic unnatural faces, looking like storm troopers? Everybody identical?
simple forge
Fiona new face doesn't look *aaaall that bad* imo, although i don't really think...
It's not even mediocre, it's botched and glitchy, and it's low effort as hell. The Improvement needs an improvement, at the very least.
I mean, just pan your camera around her head, she goes crosseyed almost immediately, this never happened before. That's the quality of Vella's new face.
pale basalt
I genuinely believe they truly half assed the new Vella face
solid flume
Perhaps the collective request from players should switch in priorities from asking for Vella's face change revert to Allanon's resing before he does more damage to the game
simple forge
It's pretty obvious they half assed it, even ignoring how uncanny it is, it's glitchy as hell...
solid flume
Yeah, she's like Deadpool, gained great powers for the price of being a monster
smoky ore
Perhaps the collective request from players should switch in priorities from ask...
Be realistic and ask for reasonable chances. KR likes the new faces, this is not a bad move by Allanon.
solid flume
The smarty pants didn't consider a toggle or alternative for NA, and the attitude of being ever so silent to the collective request we have made is really annoying, i'd say even sort of insulting some times. I know the blame can't be entirely on him, but i do think his actions and way to handle things are not something i can feel respect for
smoky ore
They definitely considered it, but I think it's a lot harder than we realize
Not hard enough that they couldn't find a way if they really cared, but not the easy fix we act like it is
worn veldt
It's not even mediocre, it's botched and glitchy, and it's low effort as hell. T...
Vella unfortunately was used a dummy test on how to destroy her face, as result all her face expressions are now horrible.
Damn it Nexon fix her face, admit you made a terrible mistake, she looks worse than ever.
Allanon will sure definitely go as the worse director in the history of this game in my book.
autumn flicker
Vella's signature smirk is lost and now Fiona's going to lose her pouting expres...
how do i do fiona's pout?
solid flume
It's one of the stances she has when being idle for a few seconds in town
visual chasm
how do i do fiona's pout?
#fiona message
current pout vs nonexistent facial expression on new face
visual chasm
The smarty pants didn't consider a toggle or alternative for NA, and the attitud...
it is definitely insulting and disrespectful for the existing playerbase. they absolutely do not care, they know our numbers are dwindling and are really just riding on VDF being a massive long term success and that it will somehow convert some of its players to the OG Vindi, the old playerbase be damned.
get with the program or move on basically 
inland vortex
Vella's signature smirk is lost and now Fiona's going to lose her pouting expres...
I think the removal of her smile is an even worse change than the removal of her pout.
gloomy edge
I think the removal of her smile is an even worse change than the removal of her...
Seriously
#1402648542228648048
That's what is really irritating
Whether you like a face or not is ultimately subjective
But straight up removing features is a downgrade
And a forced one at that
visual chasm
fionas will to live gone to match the playerbase
barren fractal
Is perfect Nexon's plan to push players into Vindictus: Defying Fate
pale basalt
📣 🔥
solid flume
Is perfect Nexon's plan to push players into Vindictus: Defying Fate
For me it does nothing but motivate me to write the most negative of reviews and predictions for it, it just cause my distrust for Nexon to overflow and feel completely reluctant to try it
autumn flicker
on the other hand, a potential toxic strategy is to boost vdf and other games as much as possible while tanking og vindi, pulling ppl away from og vindi and increasing pressure on the og vindi devs, especially if game is at a do or die point anyway for some
one thing to consider is then you'd have to eventually fight the rest of the og vindi playerbase that doesn't want to see the game and therefore their chars and investments shut down earlier than it would've otherwise
tho might ultimately be counterproductive cuz then might push og vindi whales to invest even more to keep their game investments alive
lethal bolt
Fiona's not going to be nearly as hot a topic as Vella <:meowslurp:1145722987748...
wait they changing Fiona again?
gilded needle
See latest news post
lethal bolt
cant wait for the Evie botch job
barren fractal
I think that next should be Lann, then Karok
simple forge
Fiona's not going to be nearly as hot a topic as Vella <:meowslurp:1145722987748...
She won't be as hot a topic because at least she still looks human, even tho she behaves like a robot.
ancient harness
Hey losers, give me back old Vella. I don't care how you do it. Give it back.
hybrid sentinel
we were lucky during the voice change fiasco, there was atleast 1 GM listening to us and we got a way to rollback the changes
it seems to not be the case anymore, no one is listening to us, all people want is being able to select between old and new face in beauty shop yet there's not a single aknowledgement from the staff
solid flume
It does seem they do not care. They just say very occasionally they do, because well, i can't imagine them being so cynical to admit openly they do not lol
ancient harness
well at this point i hope more people quit so they see red in their profits
theres only so much a community will take
gloomy edge
entire feedback posts dedicated to people quitting
does allanon care?
does it even reach them?
barren fractal
ancient harness
Hi losers, bring back old vella
worn veldt
looks like there's no point at this rate lol
They won't even bother acknowledging it, this face change sucks...
solid flume
He talks about boredom and sensation of burden of the content updates, but nothing about the discomfort their mediocre face change caused to most of the western players. At this point it almost looks as if they are just mocking us
ashen sphinx
thats a messed up thing to say
you are wishing an unrelated person to go through a traumatic experience and lifelong consequences because of something in a game
