#TS Vella issues and changes that would be appreciated

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river thorn
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These days, TS Vella does have a good kit and nice survivability... Although the kit is diverse, a lot of inconsistensies, alongside recent updates, have made TS Vella less viable and efficient, as well as lagging behind more characters.

I already have a few points I can think of:

  1. Why is Cross Stance cancel still the same button as grab? Of all her controls, this is one of, if nothing else, the most unpredictably punishing control there is. Because the key is same as grab, it means that if I press space to stance but cancel it before she stances, she just does a grab and becomes fully vulnerable during grab animation. Have the Cross Stance cancel on Q that isn't used on Vella, or even Tab that's not used on TS.

  2. With the more bosses being intrduced, there is the introduction of more counter inconsistencies these days. Here are a few examples with more recent bosses:

  • Taros and Bres: both have a "puddle" attack, where a certain aoe remains on the floor and can inflict damage multiple times. Taros puddles can be cross-cut, but not Bres's.

  • Neamhain, Balor, Brigid, Laura, and Spinos: Each have mine-like moves, where a blast aoe from the floor occurs.
    Neamhain herself being inconsistent about it, where her spin attack mines can't be countered, but her mine throws (both small and large left/right ones) are counterable.
    Balor's can be countered.
    Brigid's can't be countered.
    Laura's can be countered.
    Spinos' are also inconsistent. The boulders attack can be cross-cut from the edge. The H+ beam attack's mines can't be cross-cut from center, need to move a little (makes it confusing). The 1x blast (2x blast after his sandstorm cutscene) can't be x-cut.

  • Taros, Eisen, Emmett, Bres, Spinos: Each has projectile attacks, and Vella has a deflect skill allowing projectiles to be returned to the enemy.
    Taros orbs during giant phase are all deflectable.
    Eisen's projectiles during Dullahan/Sword-shield phases can't be deflected.
    Emmett's orbs can be deflected (Both normal and H+, and man is it satisfying)
    Bres' orbs can be deflected.
    Spinos' can't be deflected.

  • Jarnir and Sreng: ... For some reason, these 2 have melee attacks that can't be cross-cut.
    Jarnir's H+ giant sword slam can't be cross-cut directly, so you need to slide away from it to be able to x-cut.
    Sreng's jumps at bar 7x (8x if H+) and after 5x's scream can't be x-cut when he lands.

  • Irusan: The lines she leaves on the floor at half 9x, half 7x, and half 4x... self-explanatory.

I'm certainly missing more, but that's most of the annoying ones in my opinion... Meanwhile block counters have it easy blocking all of these.

  1. So yeah, with enough experience she survives well and can attack constantly... But now her damage is more and more underwhelming with new characters and utility updates, despite it being already the case compared to other counter characters' performances. Especially for someone who constantly uses SP, just saying.

  2. Sort of related to above point, TS Vella is leaning towards being at a disadvantage of "having to wind up" to become more damage efficient, where she starts off slow and weak without Blade Heart. Getting hit gets even more annoying as it just temporarily weakens her whole kit, and can reduce her damage output significantly. And the timer on Blade Heart in general is just not helping in current bosses, since we have to recoup the effect each time there's a cutscene, the boss becomes invincible, or out of reach for over the duration of it. Vella's only, or one of the few, character[s] this way, most other characters don't have this sort of down time.

  3. Provide TS Vella a dash active like newer characters, she always needs to run or spam dodge when running after bosses...

Those first ideas would be appreciated changes, outside of only damage adjustments, to make Vella more consistent and enjoyable. Open for ideas from other players in case I missed big details!

Other points:
6. Vella is still bad with lag.
7. Give Vella Taunt.

slim nova
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Vellas most needed change is to get rid of dem fish lips and evil eyes

worldly yarrow
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🙂

open mountain
worldly citrus
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+++ MAKE VELLA GREAT AGAIN

open mountain
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Yeah, the way they've been making the new bosses almost seems like a direct "fuck you" to sword Vella.

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We had an answer for almost everything if we chose correctly but now they're denying said answers and punishing us for going for it. Bad enough we have to deal with latency, but eh.

river thorn
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I forgot about latency, prob 'cause I always host as TS Vella nowadays kekw

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But yeah, Vella being bad with Latency is still a big thing

open mountain
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Pretty much.

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@river thorn I'd say for the 5th point you made, instead of a dash, give Swords a "taunt" skill like Karok or Fiona that draws aggro.

broken ether
urban tapir
river thorn
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And it all came from a guy with a fish as a profile pic...

slim nova
worldly yarrow
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I dont understand the fish lips joke

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Where is it?

urban tapir
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dunno lol. salty player I guess

sturdy jewel
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drunk Vella does have fish lips, atleast compared to other chars - https://i.imgur.com/xRlJxHt.png.
But regarding the post's topic, yeah less inconsistencies in terms of what can or cannot be crosscut and having a taunt skill would be a godsend.

urban tapir
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This is now a lip discussion thread.

Can we please also talk about charon's botox lips? KEKW5

river thorn
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Omg please, not another lip-phobic salty boi D:

river thorn
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And I'm out of characters on post, so

  1. Cross Stance getting stuck. That one is AS BAD as accidental grab on point 1. You do stance last second, but still time it fine and click, but nothing happens, same with following attacks... as though the stance seems to be bound to trigger a cross-cut on a single boss attack. So what happens after? You cross-stance doesn't do anything on following moves, making you TAKE EVERY HIT. I've no idea how I didn't fail 8 hits on Emmett after tanking his whole H+ spin and AOEs attack
open mountain
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They're just mad Vella has the best lips (and body in general) drunkHD

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Vella Supremacy cool

open mountain
worldly yarrow
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I think its kinda weird to judge the quality of a character based on lips xD

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That's like saying I dont play belle because im not a predator

sturdy jewel
river thorn
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Another point that I remembered (Also applies to Lann)

  1. Fix the gust sting charge time. It's annoying a full charge takes a random time, sometimes it charges fast, other times slowly. angrystare
river thorn
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And back to inconsistent attacks... Jordra has like 3 different style of projectiles, of which NONE are deflectable.
... And her 3-hit combo during the 2nd map, swing foot swipe and thrust... Why is the thrust not cross-cut-able????????? She's got a few other moves with a thrust attack, but that's the only one we can't do much against!

river thorn
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Blade Heart revision could be nice, otherwise idk what to expect exactly from other mentioned things

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Guess it'd be nice to chain to Typhoon Slash after x-cut IcyUwU

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Tho they better remove stance cancel from grab key kekw

lofty bridge
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remove xcut chieftainbest