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[spare gull]

I have been stuck at 1tb

[gritty hound]

cough

My database for this

Just with 19 different liquid types 😭

I could probably make it a hell of a lot better though lol

[spare gull]

2k 😭

[gritty hound]

So I might be able to make use of DPs later on when I clean it up lol

Would be nice to do so tbh

[buoyant vale]

Yeah, it being only 1kb limit is quite sad.

[gritty hound]

Although, idk how I'd be able to visually change my blocks textures with so many DPs

The only way to change the visual is by permutation that I can think of

[modest laurel]

Sync the dp to permutations ig?

[buoyant vale]

Wdym?

[modest laurel]

*states but yeah no that would suck

[gritty hound]

That's what I'm thinking of, but that'd be too many permutations as I would need to do 16 true or falses for each layer, which that alone is already 2^16 permutations which is the limit

[gritty hound]

That's why I'm using the database here with an entity for the layers

[buoyant vale]

If they ever add support for actor storage, summon an entity, store the DP, read the entity Presuming its possible

[gritty hound]

actor storage?

[north robin]

Back to using block cords + dimension as the way to store block data ig

[spare gull]

This text is so bait to me 😔

[gritty hound]

Well, it has the intent to do so

Just not yet 😅

[modest laurel]

Wasn't this asked in one of the QNAs?

[gritty hound]

Or maybe not at all

[modest laurel]

Makes sense to me

[north robin]

Soon™

[buoyant vale]

Yes? I want to say yes.

[buoyant vale]

😛 I think it's just skill issue.

If it said an associated entity then you would be right to be baited.

[gritty hound]

Also, I like that they said DPs currently doesn't have the ability to do it, which makes it seem like they will do it eventually

It (currently) does not carry over its data to the item resulting from mining or picking the block entity

[modest laurel]

It'd be nice if that were possible

[buoyant vale]

Not sure how that would work tbh.

Will it be converted into an item entity? But then those can exceed the 1kb limit.

[modest laurel]

Does it matter that the items can store more than 1kb? It'd have sufficient space to store the block's data and I feel like that's the important bit

[jaunty sparrow]

Apparently the block-entity has the id "DataDriven"

[buoyant vale]

You're not understanding. Could I then store things into the item and convert it to block data. It's evident the other way is in the works but what about this way?

[buoyant vale]

Yeah Quaz posted that earlier.

[jaunty sparrow]

Oh, I didn't see his message.

[modest laurel]

I'd wager we just can't change the data stored for the block

[buoyant vale]

Or would it be BlockStorageItemComponent that access the block data.

[modest laurel]

That's what I figured it'd be like

[buoyant vale]

SO a readonly property whilst in item form.

[modest laurel]

I mean I guess they could probably enforce a 1kb limit and make it writable too

[north robin]

Can you just spawn an item then relay the block properties onto that item when you destroy the block

[buoyant vale]

We would need an beforeOnBreak

[modest laurel]

Global event

[north robin]

BeforeOnPlayerBreak?

[buoyant vale]

Explosions.

[modest laurel]

There's a before explosion global event

[north robin]

Make the block outta tungsten

[buoyant vale]

Does the wither charge count as explosiom?

[modest laurel]

Have not tested that one

[buoyant vale]

We would still be missing on piston break for example, placement filter, etc. onBreak just wouldn't be able to get the block since its air.

[north robin]

Uh

Just dont make it break when piston pushes it

[buoyant vale]

Moving the goalpost award goes to:

[north robin]

Look i proposed that as a workaround

[buoyant vale]

To which you will be punished by being forced to interact on Twitter.

[modest laurel]

If you're desperate enough you can make it work

[buoyant vale]

Essentially Cici.

[gloomy raptor]

Noooooooo

[modest laurel]

Alot of marketplace work be like:

[buoyant vale]

Shout out that one MP addon that abused item display transform for a GUI lmao.

[cursive ivy]

well it's only for custom blocks so not that insane

[modest laurel]

And then subsequently got Mojang to put a limit on those

[buoyant vale]

I aspire to do that one day.

Make something so absurd that I was the reason a rule was put into place.

[north robin]

What did it do 😭

[modest laurel]

Custom furnaces addon by vatonage iirc

[north robin]

And why did they feel the need to put a limit

[modest laurel]

Because it wasn't intended to be used that way probably

[north robin]

What were they abusing them for?

[modest laurel]

I believe they just had it take up enough space to mimic a custom ui

They scaled it way past the slot size I think

[buoyant vale]

Yeah, it was fucking insane.\

[north robin]

That is fucking incredible

Had a feeling it was that

Im even more intrigued like were they just displaying static information or was it dynamic by some unholy mechanisms

[modest laurel]

Guess you'll have to download it to figure it out or look up a video

[north robin]

I'd likely need an old version

[jaunty sparrow]

Are the properties saved there?

[buoyant vale]

Yes.

[jaunty sparrow]

Ah, then I guess I did something wrong because nothing showed up for me.

[strange maple]

I wonder if it's worth it to invent some serialization scheme that's more compact than JSON.stringify for storing my arbitrary blobs

[jaunty sparrow]

That's strange, the potent sulfur has a block-entity but seems completely useless, it doesn't seem to have any fields and it's controlled by ticks, or rather, I don't understand why Mojang created a block entity in Bedrock, so why did they create one in Java too? That's strange.

[digital raven]

I mean it literally does, in vanilla block actors are also used to render stuff..

[buoyant vale]

It uses the entity renderer not behaviour though. It doesnt summon a literal entity.

[opal vale]

a barrel is a simple block but has no unique rendering properties

[digital raven]

Ofc not every block does, but a good chunk of blocks do- think bells too

[buoyant vale]

Bells, beds, chests

Banners.

Furnace. Smoker, blast furnace, barrels, item frames(?), shelves, dont use a special renderer in the same sense as the other two.

[digital raven]

Wait let me check item frames

[jaunty sparrow]

Is there any use for this?

In my tests, no fields were created; only the ID, position, and the new block-entity version field exist.

[digital raven]

item frames do use special renderers

[jaunty sparrow]

The movable field has apparently been removed as well.

[buoyant vale]

In the same sensw aa the other two which has animations.

[digital raven]

no no it has a dedicated item renderer

[jaunty sparrow]

They probably removed it because it was useless, since all block-entities can be moved by piston if the block can too.

[digital raven]

damn block actors seem to use pretty much 1:1 the regular entity renderer lol

but yeah ofc it doesnt have the normal entity behaviour

[faint hornet]

Is there a chance that color grading, atmospheric changes, and overall scripting rendering capabilities will be coming to fancy graphics? Or will this only be Vibrant Visuals exclusive only?

[jaunty sparrow]

The file storage location option has apparently been removed in the new ORE UI screen, making it impossible to save worlds to an external location on Android.

[gloomy raptor]

Oh dang

What if the mobile has the option set to external and they update to this

[jaunty sparrow]

Is this intentional? Or is it a problem that can be changed?

[jaunty sparrow]

It will remain as an external, only affecting newly installed Minecraft because by default it comes as application.

[gloomy raptor]

Ohh i see

Can you access the option.txt on phone, I don't think so

?

[jaunty sparrow]

I didn't like that, I hope they change it, it's awful not having the files on an external drive.

[gloomy raptor]

Yaaa

[jaunty sparrow]

It depends on where it's normally located.

[jaunty sparrow]

Look, I think it's a good idea to put it in the feedback.

[worn grail]

am I being silly? I cannot find api docs for these new things

Can't find on stirante's docs or in the npm types
https://stirante.com/script/server/2.9.0-beta.1.26.30-preview.28/index.html

[gloomy raptor]

I agreee

[modest laurel]

I would assume it's in https://stirante.com/script/server-graphic

[worn grail]

Oh!!

I had no idea that was a thing

new as of this preview?

Woah this is awesome

Thanks for that :)

[azure pasture]

I hate block entities 😭

[digital raven]

they're awesome

[turbid otter]

late for the party damn

forgot there was a preview AND a snapshot releasing this week

[digital raven]

https://stirante.com/script/server-graphics/index.html

[crude frigate]

Is there even any information about v3?

[buoyant vale]

Ms docs.

[buoyant vale]

This module? No.

[worn grail]

How le curious

[buoyant vale]

Its been a thing for a while now. It just had biome atmoshperhics is all.

[worn grail]

Yees I noticed when I checked the typings it's been around for a bit

Righttt

Anyways it's incredibly cool

Contrast + shaderglass = lethal company

[digital raven]

dont give them anymore ideas or you'll be working on it for the next 3 years

[worn grail]

It's too late, they've seen it

A good leader delegates, I will delegate to raisin

[digital raven]

ohhh raisin its time for worldgen once more ✨

[crude frigate]

Could you send me the source?

An article page or anything like that

[worthy timber]

Yeah we’d like to know since color grading since it would be useful for TONS of stuff but if it’s only ever gonna be for VV and not all graphics settings it’s not as useful

[north robin]

Yeah that is a substantial amount of ass

[jaunty sparrow]

?

[ancient shoal]

im still tryna figure out how to use this

What can you do with it once you do this?

Like can you add storage to it?

and still use multiblock with it

[grave pumice]

I think really the only thing you can with them as of right now is store data in the block, similar to world/item dynamic properties

[gritty hound]

Yes, right now only block dynamic properties

[digital raven]

Excited to see them be stored in block items in the future

[buoyant vale]

Define storage. You can store dynamic properties and yes you can still use multi block.

[digital raven]

I wonder how block entity renderers could work...

[buoyant vale]

Client Blocks.

[gritty hound]

👀

[buoyant vale]

"minecraft:block_entity":{
"dynamic_properties": true,
"renderer": "namespace:id"
}

[digital raven]

Actually based, I agree

But how could the client block/block entity renderer look

As vanilla also renders items for example

Or entire maps

Or animations

[buoyant vale]

Wdym maps?

[buoyant vale]

Like the JSON?

[digital raven]

Like the item

Maps

[buoyant vale]

What about it?

[digital raven]

You can put them in item frames

[buoyant vale]

Literally cipy/pasye current entity client, rename to block renderer(wait thats what attachables do lol)

[buoyant vale]

Ok add a field to render map?

Like...?

Over complicating Lucy.

Everything the entity client does suffices and meets requirements 99% for block renderers.

[digital raven]

What if you want a custom map like item?

[buoyant vale]

Elaborate.

Go away Tragon.

[surreal urchin]

lets turn maps into embedded renderers so we have more interesting memory leaks to diagnose

[digital raven]

Photos for example have a similiar behaviour

[buoyant vale]

But can it run Doom?

[surreal urchin]

ur going to the block mines when ur back now

[buoyant vale]

Thats not block renderer thats an item thing tbh.

[buoyant vale]

When have I ever escaped?

[surreal urchin]

i wanna be able to play minecraft in minecraft

need those redstone machines condensed into a renderer placed in item frame

[buoyant vale]

Run our prototype in the prototype

[digital raven]

Client scripting would solve all my problems, and create a thousand new ones 😔

[buoyant vale]

Ew.

In this Discord we stan server side logic.

[digital raven]

Wait until they pull out chakra again and slap it onto the client

[buoyant vale]

😭 ?

[digital raven]

Oh youngling, you missed the old times... nah ms had some fun with writing their own js engine a long time ago

Wasnt too great, its dead now

[gloomy raptor]

Damn

[digital raven]

https://github.com/chakra-core/chakracore
Its even open source

[versed cedar]

they scammed me out of 200 whole gigabytes

[indigo vault]

Can we now add animations to blocks just like we do to entities?

[buoyant vale]

No.

[versed cedar]

it appears to me like it's just rotating

[indigo vault]

okay thanks

[ancient shoal]

like chests

so it brings up an inventory ui

(i don’t need any animation)

[versed cedar]

that's not part of what minecraft:block_entity can do as of now

[ancient shoal]

can you?

can you combine two inventory’s to make a double chest too?

[versed cedar]

if you can't replicate a single chest how could it ever be possible to replicate a double chest?

[ancient shoal]

oh fair enough

[civic geyser]

what does dynamic properties mean

[opal vale]

We?

[versed cedar]

custom properties that you can add and modify whenever you want

[civic geyser]

is it like signs

[opal vale]

no text rendering for blocks yet

just arbitrary data storage

[civic geyser]

whats s the use case fot this

[versed cedar]

well technically you can use the text primitive thing

or whatever it's called

[buoyant vale]

Storing dynamic properties.

[zenith hawk]

*you

[civic geyser]

in practice

[opal vale]

any custom logic that relies on storing arbitrary data. like how you would with items and entities. both of which also use dynamic properties

[versed cedar]

you can save data inside of the block (I'm assuming you're talking about block dynamic properties) and access it

[opal vale]

so for example, I could make a counter block that goes up every time I hit it

[buoyant vale]

Whatever you need to store. Just like storing data on entities and items.

[civic geyser]

could we do like a custom renderer based on this

[opal vale]

Not yet

We only have dynamic properties right now

[civic geyser]

why dont you just track when a block is placed/destroyed and use JavaScript's objects/arrays

with block position as the key

i dont get it

[opal vale]

You say that like it's a good solution

[civic geyser]

well its temporary

[opal vale]

And dynamic properties are the solution

[civic geyser]

but it could be saved with a dynamic property for world

[buoyant vale]

Gross.

[versed cedar]

and then you lose all the data upon restarting

[opal vale]

that's not how dynamic properties work, but the suggestion still has syncing issues

[civic geyser]

it doesnt have any difference i thought we could do some rendering or query typeof thing with this

[versed cedar]

dynamic properties don't get reset when restarting

oh mb

[opal vale]

This is just the beginning

[buoyant vale]

Does the concept of it being a stepping stone and laying the foundation escape you?

I swear people always assume the first iteration is the final.

[opal vale]

what block actor capability are you most excited for? client rendering?

[buoyant vale]

GuI and Actor storage.

Store them bees.

[versed cedar]

it's a shame we can only add dynamic properties to custom blocks that intentionally support it

[civic geyser]

sru im not rlly active in this community anymore i thought this preview was a continuation on that

[versed cedar]

I mean I can see why they didn't add support for every block

but I can also see how it could be awesome if they did

[civic geyser]

what does this even mean

[opal vale]

it means only custom blocks can have dynamic properties

not vanilla blocks

[versed cedar]

and not even all of them

only the ones with the minecraft:block_entity component

and it's also a shame that we can only store up to 1kb of data😭

[civic geyser]

i legit am so frustated that they add a random limit that do barely anything

nametag now limited to 256 from 32k wowzzer insane optimization😍😍✌

[civic geyser]

also im pretty sure dynamic property for world is also stupidly limited to 1kb before it was changed

so stupid

[versed cedar]

right now it's 32k tho so it's fine

To be fair I get their concerns, they don't want an addon to potentially cause performance issues

[civic geyser]

was it lore

i forgot

[versed cedar]

but sometimes they add some limitations that feel like just limitations

[civic geyser]

nah

it doesnt even make a difference

juat random arbitary limit

u think going from using int16 to int8 will do anything

also

if lets say an addon is bad and unoptimized

people wont play it either way

[buoyant vale]

Tbf, 1Kb does make sense since they say its more heavy on the ram side.

[versed cedar]

true but for marketplace add-ons for example, you don't have a way to pre test it before purchasing it

[buoyant vale]

Plus a single chunk of those is however many blocks.

[versed cedar]

who's gonna have a whole chunk of block entities 😭

[civic geyser]

unless ur REALLY TRYING

i dont see the point other than killing possibilities

i could also make an addon that is horribly unoptimized if i wanted

[buoyant vale]

Wouldnt it be better to have the limit small first then expandM

Its shittier to have unlimited then restricted.

[civic geyser]

like they would do it😭

[versed cedar]

true, I just hope they actually will expand it

[civic geyser]

sorry but im speaking from when i was still active in this community bto everythinf is so randomly limited it pisses me off

do you know the .target property

im pretty sure the engine is 100% CAPABLE of doing that

[buoyant vale]

Sure, ignore lore limit increase.

[versed cedar]

still waiting for them to add customizable height limits for dimensions after they changed the 512 to -512 to be overworld-like

[civic geyser]

this also js so annoying

[pale vortex]

but they increased the limit

[buoyant vale]

The limit is still restricting for you?

[civic geyser]

idk about the recent increase though

[buoyant vale]

So why complain.

[final mulch]

Yes, we would encourage people to use n-way rotation when it's only a visual need, geometry and material-instances components are somewhat heavy, so you gain in RAM usage and a tiiiny bit in perf. Plus the json is lighter.
If you need to rotate your collision boxes though, that's when you'd need to involve them in permutations because of the conflict with the transformation component.

[final mulch]

don't look at how the sausage is made 🙈 . because blocks are much more frequent than entities and items, we had to optimize storage, so it is not meant to be human readable. But on the upside, you can store more properties within the 1KB limit because of it.

[buoyant vale]

😛 would love 360 state limit to have precise control of the rotation.

🤑 Water wheel

[summer notch]

I wonder if this was caused by blocks seeming to have the opposite rotation direction to everything else
oops linked to the wrong image #1503786081882083541 message

[buoyant vale]

Could it be due to the fact BE uses 5 different coordinate system?

[final mulch]

ideally the 16 way rotation has the same clock direction as cardinal, we'll consolidate before it makes it out of beta.

it follows the same rule. It wasn't described in the changelog but it made it to the scripting documentation.

[hybrid loom]

I think we need a 6th

[buoyant vale]

Oh so 1KB per block per addon?

Time to abuse scriptevent to send interop.

[buoyant vale]

Must have been the wind.

[final mulch]

per block, be mindful of that if you plan to do cross addon usage of a single block.

[buoyant vale]

GAH

[opal vale]

HA

[buoyant vale]

Still weird that we'd need to access a component. But Im grateful it isnt getComponent(BlockEntity).dynamicProperties.get()

[opal vale]

Yeah. Is there a reason it's a component and not something you can directly access. even with item stacks if the item doesn't support dynamic properties, it just throws an error iirc

[buoyant vale]

If I had to guess though, having it access a component forces users to learn more about block entity and that it requires the component on said block and doesnt work on all.

[final mulch]

That would have been a step backward in the component architecture we want for blocks. We're actively trying our best to not bloat the block API with more methods.

[opal vale]

I see

[buoyant vale]

Interesting. I presume same goes for other ApIs.

[final mulch]

I can only speak for blocks.

Fun banter at 6PM yesterday. Thanks all for the feedback on n-way rotation and block-entities!

[buoyant vale]

I will say n way rotation is a weird name for me at first but I get it now. Curious if there were any other name candidates.

[summer notch]

evenly_distributed_per_axis_block_state_driven_360_degree_rotation

[buoyant vale]

I retract my statement.

[north robin]

Mods give him the mojangster role

[final mulch]

contractor* (like mr Rope)

[north robin]

Oh

I see

Does anywhere know where the data on player made maps is stored

[knotty marten]

Array form broke, too

[gritty hound]

Found out it's 110KB

😂

[pale vortex]

[gritty hound]

Yeah...

I'll get it down somehow

Might need a big rewrite but ehh

[pale vortex]

i have an idea

what data do you need to store

[gritty hound]

Although, I might not rewrite it at all

Lets go to #1067535608660107284

[knotty marten]

Hardcoded full-block geometries work with rotation in the minecraft:transformation component. Would y'all consider geometry-only rotation if the bound states have either 2 or 4 values (half- and quarter-rotations)?

[knotty marten]

What's the point of minecraft:block_entity without dynamic_properties?

[buoyant vale]

Nothing yet.

Its laying the foundations for future block entity stuff.

[azure pasture]

They aren't for me

[steel forum]

👀

[tacit mulch]

Have you reported the breaking of the object format as a bug yet, or has someone else? I'm poor at maintaining Mojira bug reports properly. I'm a GitHub issue kind of guy.

[summer notch]

arrays aren't supposed to be supported for versions in format v3 afaik

[knotty marten]

I have not.

[tacit mulch]

Since when is this a thing?

[buoyant vale]

For a while.

[tacit mulch]

I never saw it until today.

[opal vale]

since 1.17 or 1.18 I think

[tacit mulch]

Oh also I just realized my settings got reset somehow.

Maybe thats why it appeared.

[versed cedar]

definitely nvidia app's fault

it likes to randomly change your graphic settings for several games

[gritty hound]

It's not

It's Minecraft in general

It's been a bug for a bit

[tacit mulch]

I don't think it would reset my controls.

[gritty hound]

On Stable too

[versed cedar]

okay yeah then it's not

[versed cedar]

yikes

[tacit mulch]

My video settings were reset to Minecraft's default rather than NVIDIA's default

[gritty hound]

Also, is this not client side?

Added PlayerLighting API for per-player lighting graphics overrides to beta
Added PlayerAtmospherics API for per-player atmospherics graphics overrides to beta

[tacit mulch]

It should be.

Unfortunately there exists the ungodly module that is @minecraft/server-graphics.

[versed cedar]

guess I'll backup my options.txt, thanks for letting me know

[gritty hound]

Hmm, I guess graphics could also be server side if it's sending the request to the client instead of the client making the request

I'm not too familiar with it, so it's only a guess of how it could work

[jaunty sparrow]

n_way_visual_rotation Is it experimental?

[gleaming ravine]

yes it is