#Offhand support in Bedrock Feedback

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twin ledge
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So if, say, you were holding arrows in the off-hand and blocks in the main hand, then interacting with a potion-filled cauldron should place the block if there is open space, or tip the arrow if there is not

tidal shell
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Too be fair it is important for Bedrock devs themselves to understand how the Offhand works in Java as of today, to then think of how to make it similar to Bedrock ? But I have to ask, Minecraft is own by Microsoft correct ? But it is developed by Swedish developers ? And I know I already asked this question before, but realistically, with how Mojang develops parity and other stuff, when would be a realistic window where Offhand would come ? Because why announce it in 2026 if, it’s not coming this year ?

twin ledge
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@tidal shell

  1. Minecraft is owned by Mojang Studios. Mojang is owned by Microsoft.
  2. Java Edition is developed primarily by the team in Sweden; Bedrock edition is developed primarily by the team in Redmond.
  3. Again, these seem to be tentative plans, more about exploring what problems might exist so they can begin making estimates. It is too soon for anyone to say.
  4. To my knowledge, nobody at Mojang has announced anything.
tidal shell
# twin ledge <@1264231458927677452> 1. Minecraft is owned by Mojang Studios. Mojang is owned...

I see well, thanks for the new info, I never understood how both operated differently? Although it stills bugs me because, I know Smokey is a reliable source, but if Mojang themselves don’t know, why said “soon” he could have said “Offhand coming to Bedrock eventually” or some sort ? And, like a specific prediction, depending on their pattern, on what Seasonal drop could we expect Offhand ?

twin ledge
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Not sure, I agree that "eventually" may have been a better choice of word. If it were me I would not have even said that, just "they're looking into it," which itself still has exciting potential.

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IMO we will only be able to guess when it could release even somewhat accurately whenever we first see the changes make their way into a new Preview version.

tidal shell
# twin ledge Not sure, I agree that "eventually" may have been a better choice of word. If it...

Don’t get me wrong, it is a good thing that they are looking into it, the problem is “looking into it” kind of translates to a “maybe” meaning they might refuse to add it to the Vanilla game, which is crucial for people who want to play Cross Java-Bedrock servers.

And also, Can people determine/know what features in Previews will indicate what talks about Offhand and unrelated stuff ? And by that I mean people in this chat/chatlog ?

twin ledge
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And they very well could refuse to add it, that is one potential outcome. It would be a shame, so let's hope they find a way to make it work 🙂

Not very well. I guess we could get hints for that if we start seeing adjacent functionality be added. For example, if they update the HUD UI to display the item held in the off-hand.

tidal shell
# twin ledge And they very well could refuse to add it, that is one potential outcome. It wou...

Man, this is scary, this is something Bedrock players have been wishing for ever since Bedrock was released, but the thing is, are they going to announce it ? Like say if Offhand will never be released on Bedrock, because I would rather be told that than to waste my time on that game.

So basically we have to see everything that is UI related to determine that, interesting, but the HUD UI specifically or the UI in general ?

twin ledge
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If they find the feature viable, they are pretty likely to announce it once it starts rolling out, I would think. Only time will tell.

Updating the HUD is just one example. A few others might be keybinds for swapping items to the off-hand, or changes to how inventory management works, or to how items interact with blocks or how blocks are placed into the world. Those potential changes don't confirm anything for certain, but it gives us an idea of what direction they may be going.

tidal shell
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It’s just confusing not Gonna lie, like I thought the Feedback team checked Feedbacks everyday because I remember I saw a post about wanting Offhand in the game that had like 13451 votes, and another one who reached 1000 votes not long ago. What I am saying is, they should know this is a feature that everyone wants, and isn’t it weird when they say they want to achieve parity, and only consider one of the most important features of all time.

twin ledge
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🤷 Game development is complicated. When you have ten thousand things to be looking at and you only have time for ten chores a day, you have to pick the most important ones.

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It may be that they are only now looking into adding a proper off-hand because the suggestion has received this much demand. Or it's simply needed for a future update. None of us would know for sure

tidal shell
# twin ledge It may be that they are only now looking into adding a proper off-hand *because*...

Like I said I understand, it’s just that, it’s kind of hard because like, Bedrock players have been waiting for this for a very long time like, over a decade, but due to reasons involving complexity, they didn’t, when it is essential for things like survival and such, either way, what I am saying is, having a look into something that has been asked for a long period with a risk of refusal is just, it likes kills the mood big.

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And also if they wanted to add it for future update it would be for either the Fall or Winter drop, because those are perfect periods to add some essential stuff.

twin ledge
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I moreso meant if they had bigger plans, like for a combat update. But that is just wild speculation

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north sandal
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The Java Edition combat tests come to my mind.

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I wonder if these off-hand changes may have a big influence in updating combat.

north sandal
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Before they even add features to the off-hand, Mojang must fix the visual glitches with it.

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Most of the weapons don't render properly, and sparklers held in the off-hand don't lose durability properly.

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The off-hand on Bedrock is coded half-bakedly.

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The code needs more time in the developers' oven before it's ready for proper testing.

latent pebble
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Honestly I think the question of how to implement the offhand in bedrock now is pretty much solved. There just needs to be someone on mojang's end to actually do it now.

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latent pebble
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There is significant interest in doing so tho. Maybe they just don't have the time rn ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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umbral jackal
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Why would they decide not to add Offhand?

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That's literally why this post was created because they're looking heavily into creating it and want suggestions and feedback on how it should be implemented or what features it should have.

tidal shell
# umbral jackal Why would they decide ***not*** to add Offhand?

That is my question, because apparently there hasn’t been no confirmation on Mojang part, let alone any hint in Previews if it will appear.

But then, that means it has been confirmed right ? Because a lot of people gave our suggestions and that would leave the Bedrock devs to start working on it no ? Cause we really do need it, and we need it soon like, hope this year, cause realistically, it shouldn’t be too hard to implement Offhand support in Bedrock right ?

umbral jackal
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That's how Mojang work. It's rare that we even got this channel before it was added. Normally Mojang only look for feedback once certain features release and work on it then. Besides this channel, Mojang are going to keep very quite about what's going on behind the scenes about this. Also, it's not a needed feature but it would be a really nice feature to have, especially for parity with Java Edition.

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Also, I would assume they would also have to create new animations to match the mirrored version for Offhand.

wet elk
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Programming wise adding the offhand will be way harder than just allowing it to have any item

tidal shell
# umbral jackal That's how Mojang work. It's rare that we even got this channel before it was ad...

I mean Parity is the main reason why this was added but I argue it is actually needed, because with Offhand we can do pretty much a lot of stuff, such as holding Tools in Offhand to repair with mending, or use Wind charges to Attack like in Java, or straight holding Food to heal while in Combat. So it is very much a needed feature.

I still have to ask, that means it is officially confirmed since we were given this channel right ? And also, realistically, when can we expect this feature to drop ? In 2026 ? And in what upcoming Drop like Summer, Fall or Winter ?

umbral jackal
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Nobody can confirm whether or not it's been officially confirmed. They've simply asked for feedback on the potential of it being added (good chance it will be added) but that doesn't mean they might not just pull the idea at any given time...

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It could be anywhere from a few weeks to a few months before we even see the first look at Offhand. You'll just have to sit tight and wait it out until we see something get released.

tidal shell
# umbral jackal Nobody can confirm whether or not it's been officially confirmed. They've simply...

But isn’t that confusing and weird ? Because why would you “have a look” at the potential of adding Parity, something that Mojang said they have wanted to bring closer the 2 versions of the game. And it will be ridiculous if they abandon the idea. And also, will they (Bedrock devs) confirm or not if Bedrock is confirmed or no add-able ?

Also, I can get few weeks but by months, you mean 2-3 ?

umbral jackal
# tidal shell But isn’t that confusing and weird ? Because why would you “have a look” at the ...

Dude, nobody knows! That's just how a lot of game studios handle things... There's so much more important things Mojang could be doing to bring the 2 versions of the game closer together, like fixing incorrect textures/models/sounds/mechanic but they don't because even if it looks "needed" it's just not something they consider needed at the time. The same can be said for Offhand, it may be something we need for parity but it's not always going to be on the top of the list for things Mojang wants to add to Bedrock.

We have this channel, their interested in the idea of adding it to Bedrock Edition, we just have to wait to see what happens. We might get confirmation, we might not.. It's up to Mojang whether or not they'll share more details with us about it. That's all there is to it...

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If any news does surface from Mojang, it'll most likely come from Smokey himself in the form of another announcement.

tidal shell
# umbral jackal Dude, nobody knows! That's just how a lot of game studios handle things... There...

Okay, I see I understand that, but again, wouldn’t it be crushing if for months, you have been checking Previews to see if you can see Offhand progress, just to know that it was never coming or never even being worked on ? That he sad especially, since a lot of other people have wished for this to come true.

As for the thing concerning Smokey, he is allowed to warn us if Offhand be cancelled or not being worked on right ? Or even announce that it Will be coming ? Again, Smokey does announce things like this right ? Sorry I was new here ever since I saw his post on X on March 16th.

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umbral jackal
# tidal shell Okay, I see I understand that, but again, wouldn’t it be crushing if for months,...

That's just the way things goes, it's also not an if for whether or not Smokey is allowed, it's up to whether or not he gets told about it. Take Bossbars for example, Bedrock Edition has bossbars on private builds of the game... it's had this supported as for back that I know of being 1.16 where you could do everything with them except for setting like players, colours, values, etc.. It just tells you that it's not implemented yet. Even up to recent versions, there's no confirmation whether or not this will become a thing but it is there!

It's something that has been in the game for years but nothing has been spoken about it since and there's no confirmation for that whether or not creators will ever get access to these commands or the ability to use them via Script API. It's something I've wanted for a long time but I just have to sit and wait to see if one day it gets added to the changelogs...

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umbral jackal
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I've already told you.. 😭

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SMOKEY WILL LET US KNOW IF HE IS TOLD ANYTHING

lapis igloo
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What is this convo about?

tidal shell
# umbral jackal I've already told you.. 😭

Sorry I wasn’t trying to be annoying or if I didn’t understand anything, I was just asking about predictions. Oh but, Smokey is Friendly right so, I am sure the devs won’t mind giving him the info, if it’s not too secretive.

tidal shell
# lapis igloo What is this convo about?

Oh we were just talking about when will Offhand could potentially come out, and knowing if Smokey will let us know if it will be abandoned or if it won’t come out.

lapis igloo
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Well like Sprixy said. If we he was told anything, we'd know

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It doesn't get any simpler than that

tidal shell
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Good thing then, I am glad Smokey is informative and Chill like that, but I am willing to hear about when people think it will come out, because it will be a dream if it comes in 2026, it will probably be the best year for me after 2025.

lapis igloo
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Nobody knows when.

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Possibly not even Mojang

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lapis igloo
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What good will a prediction do us?

tidal shell
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Mmhh fair enough, I guess I am just trying to find something to talk about here. And to hopefully keep this chat or (window?) alive. Till the day we get Offhand, it’s not annoying is it ?

lapis igloo
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No point in keeping the chat alive pointlessly if nobody has anything new to bring to the table. remember what it was created for

tidal shell
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Yeah true, I guess I will step back and wait a few months, maybe till June or when the Summer Drop arrives, to see if there has been any progress ? But if a Preview comes out, do you believe someone like Smokey or someone else will be able to show the progress ?

north sandal
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How would mobile players swap items without opening their inventories?

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From all of the ways mentioned here, which way would be the most desirable?

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I think that tapping and holding an item slot should reveal the off-hand slot.

lapis igloo
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north sandal
lapis igloo
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It wouldn't be that cluttered. it's basically just a 10th item slot

north sandal
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It could have half the opacity of the full hot-bar.

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Mojang also has to account for customizable controls.

north sandal
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@lapis igloo It could have the same shield icon used in the inventory's off-hand slot.

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This icon.

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Or they could change it to the Java Edition off-hand icon.

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tidal shell
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Hey guys realistically, while we wait for Offhand to come out, can’t someone replicate like Java’s Offhand for an add-on, while we wait for the REAL vanilla stuff to come out ? Or at least make it temporary official is something bad were to happen ?

latent pebble
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We can't replicate the offhand 1:1 because we don't have the interfaces...

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We need client side scripting to add custom functionality to the ui elements, which we don't have, and we also need to be able to set the offhand slot to any item without the api throwing an error, which we can't either...

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hallow salmon
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u cant even put blocks in the offhand that well in the base game cus they render in the complete wrong place lmao

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north sandal
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Armour held in the off-hand should be able to be equipped.

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Like the main hand.

buoyant hollow
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Support every item and block and make blocks placeable as well as items like bows interactable with.

tidal shell
tidal shell
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Hey guys, I know it is late and this chat has been dry for quite a while, but since now it has been 30 days (basically a month) since the announcement of Offhand, do you guys believe they started working on it ? Cause I am wondering, isn’t a full month of feedback worth starting at, or at least make their decision to confirm it ? Again, I am just wondering cause it has been a month and since no one has given feedback in a while ( mainly cause it was given during the 1st week at best) maybe development is starting ?

twin ledge
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This is neither something anyone could know about, nor is it something worth speculating over IMO

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dapper shadow
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Just want to chime in and say we should be patient. When it's ready to be shared with the public they will.

tidal shell
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Going back on that would be too controversial

autumn galleon
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Just give them time, and they'll deliver

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# autumn galleon Why the skepticism?

Yeah you’re right, just, it’s feels like waiting for this, knowing bedrock has many devices, it is unknown when it will come ? Like in what drop or even year.

drowsy hound
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This channel still active?

tidal shell
# drowsy hound This channel still active?

I really wish it was but honestly, not a lot of people are talking which is sad, because I was extatic at the news that Offhand Support might come to Bedrock “cause they are apparently “looking into it” but, yeah, people haven’t been active lately.

snow helm
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I mentioned it before, there really isn't a whole lot more to be added.

tidal shell
# snow helm I mentioned it before, there really isn't a whole lot more to be added.

I mean I understand, but like, if there isn’t a whole lot to say anymore, does that mean the devs are already started to work on it ? Does that mean that in the next preview that will come on either Tuesday/Wednesday, there might be hints that proves Offhand development and that it is coming soon, I am not trying to be annoying, I am just genuinely curious and I don’t know when we will be able to have this feature in Vanilla Bedrock.

umbral jackal
# tidal shell I mean I understand, but like, if there isn’t a whole lot to say anymore, does t...

We understand you’re curious but as I and many other people have told you.. it’s rare to hear about anything being worked on or when things get added.

It’s nice that we even got word that they’re thinking of putting off-hand in but we’ll most likely never hear anything from them again until we see it show up in Beta/Preview.

Look at Custom Dimensions for example.. people have been wanting this for years. We got ZERO information from Mojang about this being added but it just suddenly showed up.

All we can do is wait it out and we’ll either here something from an Admin if Mojang wants to make any updates/information public for us or we’ll see it in a preview over the next coming weeks/months.

tidal shell
# umbral jackal We understand you’re curious but as I and many other people have told you.. it’s...

Okay why did this take me too long to reply ? Usually I left my notifications on for Discord, but anyway, I am sorry about all this questioning and impatience, the thing is, I always wanted Off-hand to be added ever since I saw more Java content + the fact that Bedrock gets quite boring after a while, like you just repeat the same thing, I feel like this could bring the 2 versions closer together, which is why I am asking, although I have to ask, is it okay if I can go on Minecraft updates and when a new “long one” comes out, is it okay to ask if it possess Offhand content ? I was just wondering Because like I keep repeating I don’t wanna be annoying, I just really want Offhand to come out this year, whether it is the Summer or Fall, even Winter drop, I really need it as fast as possible, again sorry for the disturbance.

lapis igloo
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lapis igloo
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Believe me. We will be excited when Mojang adds offhand parity to Bedrock. They'll probably even make a big deal about it like with hardcore

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lapis igloo
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When did he say "soon"?

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lapis igloo
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He might've gotten ahead of himself, since a dev here said that they're only in investigation stages

tidal shell
# lapis igloo He might've gotten ahead of himself, since a dev here said that they're only in ...

Speaking of “investigation stages” how long does those take, because it has been like what a full month + almost 2 weeks since the announcement and after a few days, the chat has been extremely dry. Like wouldn’t they start working on it after the tons of suggestions/help + excitement coming from each comments ? And the worst part is, they have a fucking feedback section where there are multiple feedbacks asking for Offhand, some over 1000 votes Andi saw one who had more than 13000+ votes, if this doesn’t scream we want it, I don’t know what is.

umbral jackal
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No one knows how long anything will take unless officially confirmed by Mojang. They could still be thinking about even now and might now get to a point of starting development for it for a few months or they might even drop it tomorrow. Also their feedback sites that contain votes don’t really mean much. Sure Mojang might look at these from time to time and consider some things but even if they decided to work on something it won’t be for a good few months or year since they have so much other stuff lined up before this.

tidal shell
# umbral jackal No one knows how long anything will take unless officially confirmed by Mojang. ...

Okay so, I have to ask, I remember when Smokey said that they are looking into adding it but, what is the point of asking for ideas/suggestions even feedbacks, if you are not going to start on it ? Like I get it can take about 1-2, even 3 weeks to accumulate the feedback and start working but, it’s just feel weird to me.

And also when you mean “drop it”, you mean drop as like since Tomorrow is Tuesday and Previews always come on either Tuesdays or Wednesdays, we might get a development of Offhand ? Or drop it as like, “we aren’t adding this feature to the game” ?

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lapis igloo
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we don't know if it stopped

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besides. what's supposed to be in the chat? everyone who's interested has already given their feedback

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lapis igloo
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That sort of stuff is done internally. We have no idea what exactly they're doing with this feedback

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lapis igloo
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Assuming they are working on offhand right now, we won't know about it until it's good enough for previews.

tidal shell
# lapis igloo Assuming they _are_ working on offhand right now, we won't know about it until i...

I see, although I am still confused on Sprixvy’s comment because what do you mean : They could still be thinking about even now and might now get to a point of starting development for it for a few months or they might even drop it tomorrow. Like drop it in what sense ? Like we will be introducing it in the next Previews that will come either on Tuesday or Wednesday ? Or dropping it completely and will not be appearing in the game ?

lapis igloo
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Likely drop in the sense that it's shelved for another time

tidal shell
# lapis igloo Likely drop in the sense that it's shelved for another time

Okay but, is it ever gonna come ?like, not trying to be skeptic or pessimistic, but like, “shelves for another time” like, I am sorry but, is it practically saying we aren’t going to get this feature till a very long time ? It’s a feature that has been asked for a very long time, and hasn’t Ben added to the game in over 10 years. And the worst part is, we have no idea when it could drop.

lapis igloo
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It will very likely come. Just don't know when

dapper shadow
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Not entirely sure what part of the pinned message is confusing here really.

lapis igloo
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I think Nintendo is just extremely anxious

tidal shell
# dapper shadow Not entirely sure what part of the pinned message is confusing here really.

While I understood a big part of it, it’s mostly due to the fact that “looking into it” while it leaning positive in my mind that it will come, but does that mean that Offhand is confirmed to come to Bedrock? And, not trying to be rude, I know devs need to work on other aspects of the game, and so do you, it’s just, I really cannot contain my excitement for Offhand.

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lapis igloo
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no more questions

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Okay but, and I am being real for this, I may be anxious but could I be considered paranoid ? Cause I feel like there is a hint of doubt in the pinned message, according to Smokey, might just be me.

twin ledge
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Yeah, honestly mate, you're being a bit neurotic about it. I understand the anticipation, I'm eager for a proper off-hand too. Though with most things related to development, this stuff takes time, and especially with a heavily bureaucratic company like the one behind Minecraft. Whether that's in six months or in six years, they'll get around to it eventually. Your worrying won't change the timeline—if it were me, I'd put a mental pin in it and think about other things

tidal shell
# twin ledge Yeah, honestly mate, you're being a bit neurotic about it. I understand the anti...

I guess, although I don’t know what to do, like, sure I can try and be patient but thing is, how can I keep up with Offhand progress, if I need to get rid of Minecraft for a while, at least the Bedrock edition ? Like I want to see the Offhand Support, but if what you said is true and it might take a long time to do so, I need to take a break from the game but it be Extremely hard though.

twin ledge
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That sounds on the verge of "obsessive" territory. IMO this whole off-hand business doesn't seem like a big deal, at least to me, but I can't project that and decide what is true for you.

If you feel like taking a break and putting the game out of sight is what's best for your mental health, then give that a try. Whatever you end up doing to relax, I am hoping for the best

tidal shell
# twin ledge That sounds on the verge of "obsessive" territory. IMO this whole off-hand busin...

Thanks man I know, I think that, for now, I just be watching Scripted Java SMP videos, or Unscripted videos, and I think I will be back for the second Minecraft live, or check from time to time if there will be previews that talks about Offhand after asking people on “Minecraft updates” and yeah, I try to not be obsessed with it, just ask the question, if there isn’t one mention, it is fine, if there is, happy, and I will see what type of drop we’ll have in Fall/Winter, and yeah, it’s tempting, but I try my best not to let it consume me.

summer ocean
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It's not really that exciting for commanders. It is quite useful but most people will take it for granted. If they added /attribute and nbt to bedrock then I will actually be so happy

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there's a big distinction between having a moving light That's built into a hard to get mob that still encourages you to use permanent torches give how you obtain said mob

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and just holding a torch, and boom, you don't need more torches

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one stick, one coal done

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you don't need to place anything down to see ever again

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just walk forward

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Yeah, if you want dynamic light you might as well just turn on fullbright