Entity trail V2

[swift merlin]

V1: https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1405025861182164993

An updated version of the entity trail previously showcased above

Designed to be reminiscent of what fiskfille was capable of with his java mod, although not a port

[scenic valve]

Why not particles?

[finite rapids]

Ngl, this look bad
The use of entity is questionable

[swift merlin]

Cause the refrence material also uses a model

[scenic valve]

not a reason

u see how it looks, don't u?

just use particles

it will be much better

[swift merlin]

I like how it looks
It looks the way I want it

[scenic valve]

okay..

[glacial bobcat]

I think it looks pretty good

[swift merlin]

Thanks

[glacial bobcat]

I think a lot of people here have...opinions, which is fine to voice them but not at the point where it gets close to straight up bullying someone

[swift merlin]

Yeah
I can understand the viewpoint that it's less performant, but I don't think telling me its looks ugly is the best argument for convincing me why I shouldn't do it if I don't agree
Plus, if I thought it were ugly then it probably wouldn't be here

[glacial bobcat]

Exactly

[dapper tulip]

I think what's going on is the initial rotation. That's probably what throws people off. Besides that, looks great!

[finite rapids]

No one is bullying anyone, you are in a place filled with developers that have interests like yours, most of us have worked with similar stuff, you should be open to discussions like this, if all you took from that is that it looks ugly that's your problem.

I said the use of entities is questionable, since it really is, you can achieve same thing with same visual with particles, even if that was hard for you i was open to sending examples on how to achieve that, and if you still think entities is the best way for you, at least set initialRotation, it won't fix it but at least the initial y rotation should be fixed

[scenic valve]

"since", not "sense"

[swift merlin]

The use of bullying was a poor voice of words, I'll admit, but I don't see anything wrong with me being against the idea that it looks bad, given your only statements were that it looks bad, entities are questionable, and why not particles, (taking both you and serty into account), with 2 of those being essentially the same statement and were things I could understand, leaving my main takeaway to be the comments on the look of it
I wanted to use entities because I wanted the specific 3D look of the model, which you can't really do in particles without having a particle for each face
And setting the initial y rotation isn't the solution, setting it is actually what's causing it to look the way I assume you're talking about, but I thank you for the suggestion

[scenic valve]

Do these entities have some specific model? It looks just like a sprite or like arrow model

can I see this model?

[swift merlin]

Like send you the file or just show a closer image?

[scenic valve]

a file would be better

[swift merlin]

Ok

[scenic valve]

okay, I see..

[swift merlin]

Thank you for the suggestion on what to change
I planned to change how it gets set sooner or later, but wanted to be fully sure on how I'd do it first

[swift merlin]

If you don't see it in the same light as I do (as in, it's significance to me on the use of entities over the performance and general preference of the use of particles), it's fine, but thank you for attempting to understand

[finite rapids]

what i managed to do with what i already have

[swift merlin]

I've seen this before, you showed me an older version in the first post

But for what I'm doing with what I made, this is too smooth, although I doubt that couldn't be changed, but mainly the fact that it's not 3D

[finite rapids]

it could be changed, idk why but yours dont seem 3d to me? could be the recording

[swift merlin]

Its probably since the recording was made into a lower quality one so it could be longer

I didn't want to break it up into several shorter ones
And that's what I meant when I said "uses a model", cause it's an actual model

[swift merlin]

I've changed the use of target rotation to a property, and the lag of the trail's initial rotation is gone
Better by a significant deal or not so much?

[finite rapids]

a bit better yeah

[swift merlin]

What besides that is your problem with trail?
I only say this as a means to improve the trail, and mean no hostility

[scenic valve]

it looks much better

[swift merlin]

Thank you

[finite rapids]

well, beside it being an entity the rotation was the only problem
it look a bit weird now following the player (trails aren't supposed to behave that way) but you can't solve that without making smaller segments

[swift merlin]

Cool
I understand the perspective of it being a bit weird looking, but when the trail is actually used, the player will be moving a lot faster like in the other video, so it won't really be noticeable, y'know?
Plus the segments being the size they were is also a purely stylistic choice, and can't really be seen from a 3rd person perspective (as in, from a real third person view, not the change in video in game)
And entities aren't a problem, they're a preference

[dapper tulip]

Much better!

[swift merlin]

Thank you

[wanton barn]

Is this legit just spawning particles on locators or is there more to it

[finite rapids]

there is more to it

it is calculating the needed rotation and size for a particle to connect between two positions in the world

[wanton barn]

Yea figures

The rotation is fixed

[finite rapids]

yeah, in the y and x axes, the z still rotate to the camera

[wanton barn]

Also the thing with particles is you put them in an x shape they can look 3d. Not even that, but you can stretch particles like you can entities for that line effect

It’s just the axis limitations, but that’s pretty much it

[swift merlin]

Yes, but that only simulates being 3D but if you want an actual box, it's not good enough

[next karma]

lightni9ng hiding this from me is just plain mean

@swift merlin why you no tell me it looks this much better