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[gloomy cobalt]

How do we know its not just undocumented?

[red mirage]

Install reshade to gamelaunchhelper.exe instead of the main executable. Main also works, but you have to unlock it by cut & pasting it elsewhere, copying and the moving the copy back to the games folder

[quiet dome]

💀 Then how am I supposed to know?

[sinful knoll]

Oooooh ty

[quiet dome]

Your argument makes no sense whatever dude.

[quiet dome]

Can someone here test to see if my experiment is actually 2 per device and not 2 per account?

[cinder stratus]

10 Years of UWP is finally gone.

[alpine barn]

It was 1.43GB before

[gleaming plover]

i wonder how much storage does mc bedrock take

MS store never show application size like play store

[gleaming plover]

wow

never knew

that much

😭

[cinder stratus]

It's too normal due to updates (both technical and gameplay)

[sterile drift]

ok wait a sec just tried installing the beta from play store and even reinstalling the game only updates to .20 beta instead of .21 wtf

is it not released for android??

[red mirage]

That's accurate unless you have content logs enabled and develop add-ons, in which case it can grow to infinity. I recently deleted 170gb worth of logs

[sterile drift]

i swear this guy never played Minecraft on PC

[alpine barn]

I believe it takes around 700mb

[sterile drift]

800mb max

[gleaming plover]

what 💀 im a adon dev

[sterile drift]

oh alr

yeah i forgot

[alpine barn]

My Minecraft with around 50 worlds takes 1.32GB only so

[cinder stratus]

It is not in the preview

[sterile drift]

for mobile it's around 630mb if you include the music

[cinder stratus]

flatworlds?

[alpine barn]

Probably 35% of them

1.39 GB *

[sterile drift]

if not including the music, it's just around 200-250mb

bruh

[quiet dome]

Shocking, audio and binaries are the biggest storage consumption.

[sterile drift]

only for installation, updating takes a lot less.

[sterile drift]

knew this from the start

[sterile drift]

10-50mb max on updating every time on playstore

[gleaming plover]

audio should take more than 500mb

why minecraft music so heavy on size

i just like the sweden song as background music

[sterile drift]

I think music should be optional as download

[gleaming plover]

True

[sterile drift]

Does anyone remember the marketplace music pack for mobile users?

I think it was good to keep it like that not only for mobile but also other platforms too

[quiet dome]

People hated that dude.

The average joe didn't know where to download new music.

[alpine barn]

Good times

[sterile drift]

oh yeah but the point is i think it should be kept optional if not that but in some any other way

not in the marketplace way but somehow differently

[quiet dome]

What benefits does it provide besides smaller download size?

[spring folio]

marketplace had music packs?

[quiet dome]

How does it affect the user experience.

[sterile drift]

that's the whole point

[alpine barn]

On mobile

[spring folio]

interesting

[quiet dome]

Then that's terrible.

[alpine barn]

It's terrible for anything but mobile

But they deprecated many mobile devices iirc so

[quiet dome]

Affecting the user experience and gameplay experience is not worth a smaller download size especially in the modern era.

[alpine barn]

It shouldnt be a problem anymore

[sterile drift]

i mean i would care about smaller download sizes. I would take it even if included with music lol

[spring folio]

well

storage isnt an issue with mobile devices now

so

[sterile drift]

true tho

i agree with that

[wheat zealot]

yeah, Minecraft isn't one of those 50GB+ games.

for those, i think you should be able to download a smaller file size

[quiet dome]

If Minecraft bundled different resolution textures then yes, those whould be optional since it doesnt impact the core experience. Music however does.

[wheat zealot]

but a 2GB game, it's not that bad

also true i guess

[alpine barn]

The concern was only valid on mobile devices, those mobile devices were deprecated iirc. In the era we are in that is not a problem anymore

[spring folio]

yeah we have phones with 256GB storage now

[sterile drift]

well i guess resolution textures could be a solution

[alpine barn]

Any console or pc will handle 200mb of music without making airplane noises

[spring folio]

if a phone is capable of making airplane noises

[quiet dome]

How does that relate to music at all.

[spring folio]

it would be concerning

[sterile drift]

Not for music but for a smaller download file size

[alpine barn]

Textures are 16x16 😭

[sterile drift]

just like you said

[alpine barn]

Minecraft, now in 8 bits. 2026

[quiet dome]

Textures are already 16x16 idk what you're talking about.

[spring folio]

honestly i think it would be better to not include separate downloads

in any way

[wheat zealot]

you could reasonably make minecraft textures 8x8

[sterile drift]

I'm on a bus so it's hard to type while being pushed by people lol wait a min i will be back

[quiet dome]

That would affect the user experience and gameplay.

[alpine barn]

Minecraft shouldn't aim for -200MB, is already very low

We need more

[spring folio]

its worse in every way tbh

[grave nymph]

Rest in pepperoni

[quiet dome]

They should focus on more important things. Like performance, not download size.

[spring folio]

imagine the team going through an effort to make 8x8 textures to resolve a problem that does not exist nowadays

[quiet dome]

And in English.

[wheat zealot]

Minecraft should aim for 4096 bytes

anything above that is unreasonable

[spring folio]

Can It Run Minecraft?

[grave nymph]

Wine is just failing to start the GDK Preview due to missing APIs

[quiet dome]

🥀

[sterile drift]

ok finally out of the bus it's so good to be out

ok so where was I

[spring folio]

you were here

[sterile drift]

yeah right smaller download size

[spring folio]

wait

that reply doesnt help at all

[grave nymph]

Though honestly might not be that hard to get running

[sterile drift]

my only point is if mojang ever tried compressing any sort of assets to make the download size smaller what would it be?

[spring folio]

audio

not just music

but audio

conisdering how it takes majority of game data

[quiet dome]

It's a pointless discussion in my opinion, but like we discussed, audio and any other binary stuff.

[sterile drift]

And I never understood why audio takes the majority of the space when audio files take hardly like 1-2MBs these days now

[jade anvil]

Do we have docs for server bindings still?

[quiet dome]

Docs aren't updated yet.

[sterile drift]

okay maybe not 1-2 but at max 10-15

[quiet dome]

What are you talking about?

[sterile drift]

the space that audio takes

[spring folio]

the audio files we usually see are actually not the perfect, original audio

[sterile drift]

yk what. nvm lets move on

[spring folio]

the audio in the game data is raw

uncompressed

(mostly)

[gleaming plover]

well its music mostly

which take up space

[spring folio]

also music, yeah

[sterile drift]

Reminding me of music, i actually had planned an experiment with AI

[spring folio]

what is it?

[quiet dome]

[sterile drift]

to try to make a Minecraft music track with the help of AI and make it feel it can fit in the game

[sterile drift]

okay lol wtf is going on now

[quiet dome]

Showing you the different folders and their sizes.

[sterile drift]

dang

UI seems to be messed up though

[quiet dome]

Yes, sounds are only 1mb large...but when you have hundreds of them they will eat up space. Additionally so does music and the material folder.

[spring folio]

thats mostly how apps that shows file size look like

its actually quite readable

[quiet dome]

ALSO, the game ships with old versions files for backwards compatibility.

[sterile drift]

thanks for reminding us

[spring folio]

this reminded me of something

brb

[sterile drift]

lol

[spring folio]

what are those?

like theres vanilla file that has everything

and then there are uh

those

[quiet dome]

@spring folio

[spring folio]

ah thats exactly it?

[sterile drift]

Backwards compatibility stuff

[exotic tartan]

Resources folder my beloved

[spring folio]

good to know

ty

[exotic tartan]

I used this to get vanilla VV config files

[spring folio]

speaking of which i fiddled with camera stuff in resource pack

im surprised they allow us to even edit this

[sterile drift]

even if there would be 100s. It would hardly take less than 200mb. So i presume the remaining stuff is for pngs and binaries

[exotic tartan]

So nice to be able to just get here without needing a third party launcher

[quiet dome]

Yeah you just have no idea what you're talking about.

[sterile drift]

yeah

you are right

been sitting all day along in the most boring University classes with no activity

[junior brook]

My main version got locked somehow (didn't update windows yet)

[sterile drift]

ig it's just me becoming dull and sleepy 🥱

[junior brook]

Does the new change affect old versions too?

[sterile drift]

i should go probably sleep

should feel better

alr see ya

[quiet dome]

No.

How would that work?

[junior brook]

What a relief

Unlocked Minecraft again

How did become locked without updating windows

[honest talon]

Well I assume the runtime is embedded into the game now that it's no longer UWP

Earlier that would be coupled with Windows

[peak rain]

@quiet dome exe was cracked bud

[quiet dome]

Cracked being?

[peak rain]

decrypted

fully

[quiet dome]

And how did yalll accomplish this?

[boreal geode]

Yeah we already figured that out

[wheat zealot]

what

when

[boreal geode]

Yesterday?

[peak rain]

whoops i thought yss people are dumb 😨

[wheat zealot]

o oki

[peak rain]

but not fully

[quiet dome]

Ah so youre being an asshole and obnoxious now.

Good to know yall are never beating the allegations.

[boreal geode]

?

[woven galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

it's the time again to see what's happening lol
don't mind me

[quiet dome]

Buddy left.

[grave nymph]

Rest in pepperoni

[woven galleon]

Damn lmao 😭

[junior brook]

Exception: yeh

[rotund hazel]

is the update even out

i can't get it on ms store

[clear roost]

Have to reinstall

[rotund hazel]

will my dev packs be gone??

[clear roost]

back them up

[rotund hazel]

done

reinstall it is then

[slender robin]

wheres this at?

nvm found it

[red mirage]

I'm here to report that, despite it using alphablended material, copper grate is not dithered. So if you need a vanilla alphablended block but without dithering, copper grate is the way to go

[alpine barn]

Isn't that just blend?

[livid python]

The tinted glass looks so fucking bad holy shit

😭

[alpine barn]

Oh wait I dindt know the meaning of the word dithered my bad

google translate saved

[honest talon]

I don't see no tinted glass

[red mirage]

(FYI there is an RTX resource pack applied, so it's not a vanilla texture)

This was just the fastest way for me to get particles that would appear through alphablended blocks

[wheat zealot]

great, now you said it, they'll patch this next preview.

mojang will not allow people to get away from their weird transparency effects or laggy ladders.

[alpine barn]

Too many opaque pixels to apply the thing I think

[red mirage]

This is how it looks like with vanilla textures

[wheat zealot]

didn't stop them for sugar cane or mobs

[alpine barn]

Sugar cane has no collision

And mobs are a special case

[livid python]

Oh block entities are cooked in assume

[wheat zealot]

the effect applies from like 2 blocks away :<

[red mirage]

I think they might apply dithering to particles next

Just a prediction, it makes sense cuz particles can easily get right in your face

[wheat zealot]

sadly very possible.

[alpine barn]

I assume paintings, item frames, rails, strings, heck even redstone

[wheat zealot]

personally, i just don't like dithering in general. It doesn't look good.
if it was actually stuff getting transparent properly, then maybe for particles it'd be fine. I'd still not want it for other things but yeah.

as it is, i don't want it for anything

[alpine barn]

I like it for normal gameplay

I still think it should be toggeable

[livid python]

I want it toggeable

[alpine barn]

Not forced, but yep I do like it

[wheat zealot]

i agree on togglable.

the problem is that like, the effect looks very weird on moving things.

so, mobs especially.

[livid python]

I can see situations where I would like it for getting pictures of builds

[wheat zealot]

it's so disorientating

[livid python]

And situations where I wouldn't

[alpine barn]

Is a common action to improve visibility in videogames

[red mirage]

Dithering is sadly the only way to fade out opaque objects, so they're pretty much stuck with it for everything to keep the effect consistent, even though objects with properly transparent material (alphablend) can be smoothly faded by changing alpha, without the need for dithering

[alpine barn]

Probably more than 10 years old

[wheat zealot]

the one thing where they could have applied it to and have it actually be useful in any way, they didn't do.

that being the player in third person

like, that would actually improve gameplay at times. I'd still want even that optional, but especially for back third person, it'd be useful. (ideally not front third person)

[supple tendon]

surprised they havent added it to tall grass yet

[red mirage]

I understand why it's needed for entities and some blocks like sugarcane, what I don't like about dithering is how there is no creator control over it and that it is applied to glass which imo looks weird.

[wheat zealot]

in like 5 updates from now, it'll be applied to literally every block in the game given how absurd it feels to have it applied to glass, a block that's already transparent.

the block you place in your builds to look through is no longer usable for looking through it.

because it's like there just isn't a block there at all.

[versed pasture]

Wonder if this means the game will ignore .git folders in BPs and RPs

[quiet dome]

For symlink? Or what?

Also doesn't it already do that?

[versed pasture]

When in the dev packs folder
Afaik it doesn't

[shy dome]

wow - lots of activity here

[sinful knoll]

[quiet dome]

🙏 We discovered the hidden air tag toggle thats why.

[hardy sentinel]

I did, right now, actually.

[mossy mist]

erm

[alpine bison]

🔥 🔥

[spring folio]

this banana is probably the moat interesting banana

[quiet dome]

Chat...I may be cooking.

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[spring folio]

whatcha cookin'?

[quiet dome]

Oh my God...

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[spring folio]

what are you cooking???

[quiet dome]

Yeah, 3rd party launchers might be saved.

[vagrant nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[alpine bison]

[vale garden]

[alpine bison]

[lament cedar]

Excuse me, I want to ask, why is my Minecraft Bedrock preview only running DX11? It should be DX12+ and the Vibrant Visuals I'm using is also buggy because of that.

[spring folio]

this feels like one of those "realistic graphics" in gta games videos

rainy roads everywhere

[boreal geode]

The FPS is really low too. Although I see an RTX 3050 GPU in the debug text, you should check to see if the game is using the right GPU

[sinful knoll]

roblox shader tutorials

[topaz sleet]

What in the rtx bug this

[lament cedar]

this is a bug from Vibrant Visuals

[alpine bison]

"realistic mcpe shader " be like

[topaz sleet]

I get that but it looks like that bug from rtx where all blocks are reflective

[vale garden]

it use DX12 for me

[alpine bison]

same here

[lament cedar]

On my laptop with the same specs as yours, Minecraft Bedrock preview is full screen and when relogging in it will be DX11 instead of DX12.

[pliant ginkgo]

Isn’t the preview running a lot better since the switch to the new file location system ?

[woven galleon]

Ye, game doesn't even reload anymore when you exit fullscreen for bit

[pliant ginkgo]

Yeah that’s so great

They made the best decision

[woven galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/true-love-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-philosopher's-legacy-volgin-gif-10807272001998241084

[vale garden]

drive fallback?
Press Win + R, type dxdiag, hit Enter.

go to the Display 2 tab and check the Direct3D DDI version under Drivers

[lofty sorrel]

did the improved input response toggle disappear for anyone else?

[spring folio]

it did for me too

im getting this weird bug where the game prompts me to download missing assets when i try to re-open a world

i can enter once when i restart the game but the issue occurs again after i leave the world

also

do we have docs for server bindings yet

[cinder stratus]

Someone should update the game files to see the short grasses from far away like the Java Edition. Idk if would be more easy to do with the GDK?

[spring folio]

whats your render distance?

[cinder stratus]

18 and now this is 28

[spring folio]

ill test it

pray for my laptop

[cinder stratus]

You will test this?

[spring folio]

oh wait

i missed the "update the game files" part

sorry 😭

[cinder stratus]

This issue also occurs with the low chunks, look.

[cinder stratus]

Oh what did you understand before?

[spring folio]

thought you were saying if others could see short grass from distance

sorry im sleep deprived today

[cinder stratus]

np

[lament cedar]

yes fallback

[cinder stratus]

UI Performance Comparision between UWP vs GDK

UWP: 1500 FPS in this Menu
GDK: 2700 FPS in this Menu

[alpine bison]

👀

[cinder stratus]

There is an issue, the game sometimes is using D3D11 and sometimes D3D12+?

[lament cedar]

Try click f11 ingame and relogin Minecraft

[cinder stratus]

Oh yeah it worked

This is a bug right?

Btw the performance is better in the GDK version with the D3D11 version, while the UWP version with D3D11 is worse.

For some reason, D3D12+ performance is worse.

UWP with D3D11: 1500 FPS

GDK with D3D11: 2700 FPS

It's insane how much the OreUI is optimized for the GDK + Direct11

I can easily get 2500+ FPS with OreUI (GDK + Direct11)

While the JsonUI...

[gleaming plover]

What OS is this?

[lofty sorrel]

https://vxtwitter.com/ibxtoycat/status/1966108905412690307

Andrew (Toycat) (@ibxtoycat)

Whenever a higher up at Mojang REALLY wants you to do something, they add a "!" to the button lol

vxTwitter / fixvx · Sep 11, 2025, 11:57 AM

[compact geyser]

The second that this drops in stable I’m learning json ui and putting the settings button where the marketplace button is and getting rid of the marketplace button

[quiet dome]

Could anyone do me a favour and uninstall preview, https://github.com/skydevil88/XboxDownload/blob/master/README-EN.md use the webstore link or the exe whichever you prefer, and installing the package? If this works, 3rd party launchers might be saved.

[balmy sun]

what is that windows rice

[lofty sorrel]

i think it worked for someone else in another server

Add-AppxPackage was really slow though

having the same issue here

[quiet dome]

Gotcha, so it wasn't just my end.

I just gotta figure out if it's possible to even get past versions from this.

[lofty sorrel]

it just installed apparently

[quiet dome]

Yep, I tried this last night. Glad to see it works for someone else!

[lofty sorrel]

it launched

hooray

[lofty sorrel]

i think this was the tool they used:
https://github.com/LukeFZ/MsixvcPackageDownloader

then they got some url

[quiet dome]

You're the best.

[lofty sorrel]

this one specifically doesnt work for me though

[quiet dome]

Oh wait.

😭 I know him.

[lofty sorrel]

idk if im using it wrong but it just closes when i paste in the login url

[quiet dome]

Wait...I think this was used for Legends.

[lofty sorrel]

some launchers have multi instances

i wonder how those would work now

[quiet dome]

My main issue right now to tackle is:

• Get past versions
• Get current version
• Launch the .exe

[pine briar]

this chat is never dying is it 😭

[slow crescent]

You know where your launcher is going to download .exe cannot u just it launch from there?

[quiet dome]

Not how GDK works unfortunately, there is a POC in my mind:

• Invoke the url
• Grab the .msixvc package
• Invoke Add-AppxPackage
• Navigate to the XboxGames folder, imitate cut/paste to take ownership of the .exe

[sterile drift]

I'm actually joining hands with some people who are working on a version switcher + mod launcher for bedrock

the version switcher installs old versions upto 1.3.0 if i remember

lemme check again

[quiet dome]

That's cool, not our current problem right now though.

[pine briar]

what is the current problem then lol

[sterile drift]

good thing it hasn't been worked on before this preview released which gives us an advantage

to try getting the latest preview download on it

[quiet dome]

The GDK builds.

[red mirage]

What's the purpose of taking ownership over the executable?

[slow crescent]

To enable multi instance maybe?

[quiet dome]

To store it in a folder of past versions.

[red mirage]

There is one caveat with the executable that you should keep in mind. From what I've heard, it is encrypted. It gets decrypted when you launch the game for the first time after starting the pc and it remains decrypted until PC shutdown. If you attempt to move and then clone the executable while it is encrypted, the clone will not be treated by the file system as encrypted, so it will make no attempt to decrypt it and you will not be able to launch the cloned executable. I'm not sure in what state the executables downloaded via that url method will be - whether they will be encrypted or not, and whether they will be flagged by the file system as encrypted. If it is encrypted but not flagged, or if it is not encrypted but flagged as encrypted, it will not work out of the box and you will have to somehow resolve the issue with encryption.

[red mirage]

As long as you actually move the file and do not copy it, encryption won't matter here then. But idk about downloaded packages

Btw due to encryption, dualbooting linux won't help to obtain the actual working (decrypted) executable. Literally the only way to do that now is via that cut/paste trick but it could get patched at any point.

[pine briar]

what is GDK again

[sterile drift]

Game dev kit

[sterile drift]

old screenshot of a build. Modules loaded in 0.14 seconds. Wild

[rotund hazel]

had to reinstall the game like thrice

working now

also why is the padding only applied to the video section

[hardy sentinel]

Because who doesn't LOVE 100px padding!!! 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍🤪🤪🤪🤪

[simple spire]

Right

[rotund hazel]

💀 only 100?
thought it was like 200x

[hardy sentinel]

My bad 1000px. I'm so silly, I can't count all those 0's 🤭 🤪 😍 😍 🤪 🤭

[rotund hazel]

anyways the anger caused by this ui mess can only be solved by new ui

[slender robin]

It's seelen UI I think I used to use it

[rotund hazel]

btw you have to restart the game if the resource pack is changed or applied
seems to be a bug

[quiet dome]

You're using the dev packs yes?

[balmy sun]

yeah it is, damn i never seen a windows having too much rice on it, I'll consider it when i move back to windows incase bedrock linux is fully dead.

thanks.

[rotund hazel]

yes

is it exclusive to those pack?

[slender robin]

Imo it's not as great as it seems it's good but some times icons don't load taskbar is ehh and there isn't that many plugins

[balmy sun]

yeah tbh this looks like some linux rice especially if you're using hyprland.

[slender robin]

yea

[balmy sun]

those icon issues are unfortunately exists in there too.

[slender robin]

it looks really like hyprland

I tried the tiling manager but it's iffy

[quiet dome]

Docs delayed still.

[balmy sun]

ah yeah forgot to mention that android ver is out after 24 hours.

[timber breach]

Was the hope that GDK bedrock would run under wine just wishful thinking?

[quiet dome]

Yes.

[balmy sun]

yes unfortunately im doomed still.

[honest talon]

What did you use to customise your taskbar

It looks so neat

[honest talon]

That's why the OreUI screens felt so smooth on Xbox

[river totem]

I, ve heard that mc for windows was changing systems or smth

Making it more optimiced and shit

What happened i need som context

[quiet dome]

Best to just read this channel's previous message.

[woven galleon]

in short they changed from UWP to GDK

if that's what you wonder about

[river totem]

What benefits does that bring?

[river totem]

2000+ menssages hell nah

[woven galleon]

Makes game running better
and other stuff like game won't reload when you exit fullscreen

[quiet dome]

its 2K messages because people keep reasking what benefits it brings.

[river totem]

Lmao

[river totem]

Funallyyy

Mcbe running even better than bf? Hell yeah

How better? How would it affect addons for example?

[woven galleon]

tho you gotta uninstall the preview that uses UWP to be able to install this one

[woven galleon]

addons chillin

[river totem]

[river totem]

Cool

I heard someone that said that we might be able to stack multiple huge addons in one world without mayor performance downsides

That true?

[woven galleon]

I doubt, maybe???
because the whole thing really depends on the addon itself
Some optimized some not

[chilly flare]

What are the benefits of GDK?

[quiet dome]

GM1 Doesnt Know

[lament cedar]

Use Seleen UI

[chilly flare]

My views and opinions do not represent GM1*

[quiet dome]

Wait, @sonic ibex , are the MS Docs are already updated? The repo said last changes made were last week but https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/reference/content/blockreference/examples/blockcomponents/minecraftblock_precipitation_interactions?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable says published 09/09

[zenith copper]

• Borderless fullscreen
• Game stays open in the background
• The game is not sandboxed anymore, meaning that third party mods will be less limited
• Overall, it's much better than UWP stuff

[balmy sun]

• more free performance

[spring folio]

so uh

what on earth is server-bindings module?

i cant run scripts without it

im looking at the metadata in preview github and it seems like its just server module??

[civic vessel]

because they are trying to screw up screens in favor of ore ui

[thin rune]

Mojang should also change the root file for Android too because it's so annoying since Android disabled access to the data files. I can't change my script or delete/add files from Minecraft.

[woven galleon]

I'm pretty sure they can't

[spring folio]

i think thats google policy thing? i forgot

[woven galleon]

yeah that

[spring folio]

they used to do that

but unfortunately

it happened

[woven galleon]

Oh well sucks to code in phones then lol

[spring folio]

yeah, it was painful

i was able to get around it tho

[thin rune]

Bro I loved Samsung bc you can do everything you want but now your limited

[chilly flare]

I should have been clearer on my /s😂

[pliant ginkgo]

i just came back home with my main gaming setup and shiiiiiiit it runs soooooo smooth

[grave nymph]

basically @minecraft/server, though that now became a JS file that re-exports what's in @minecraft/server-bindings

[quiet dome]

Waiting for mike to clarify, I was hoping to see what got updated.

Could it be the server types being messed up also affected the ms docs 🤣

[lofty cedar]

wrong list, it should be:

• Not on UWP

[woven galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-is-dead-spy-engineer-correct-right-gif-26313261

[zenith copper]

Wait, really?

[zenith copper]

Dude, that's one of my points

[balmy sun]

since it's not sandboxed, you just gain more performance and little freedom with injecting some DLLs and stuff since you can drag-and-drop these things in the game folder and it'll work like you would expect.

[zenith copper]

Regarding third party modding, I put that on the list, but I didn't expect it to be more performant just because of the game not being sandboxed anymore 😭

[balmy sun]

someone already showed a performance differences between UWP and GDK and GDK gets alot more than UWP.

plus that UWP bugs are no longer exists too so that's kinda a win for everyone. except us creators lmao

[spring folio]

huh

[balmy sun]

yeah, in general. UWP sucks everything at gaming.

there's alot of games that has both native and UWP, literally all im seeing is that native runs miles better than UWP.

[zenith copper]

Yeahhh, I'm so happy that Microsoft can finally see through that

[zenith copper]

Asphalt Legends UWP vs GDK. GDK is A LOT better

[balmy sun]

even roblox people told me to stay away from UWP version of their game

performance in there just sucks.

[mossy mist]

Ore ui seem a bit faster too

[zenith copper]

Not only that, it's buggy as shit

The cursor bug 😭

[balmy sun]

it's just so sandboxed that it felt like VM

but since GDK build(s), everything is alot faster now so yeah there's that

[zenith copper]

Funny thing: there are ways to make apps sandboxed without sacrificing this much performance lmao

I think UWP is just bad and flawed

It's a bad way of packaging apps

Gonna go back to Windows hearing this news tbh

Android version on Linux is buggy atm

[balmy sun]

yeah, unfortunately I'll have to go back to windows in the next few months

[zenith copper]

Aw, why?

[balmy sun]

Bedrock linux is getting killed.

[zenith copper]

Haven't they discussed it in MC Feedback Discord?

[balmy sun]

since the previous preview as right now, they enabled AIP.

this preview also has AIP enabled.

[zenith copper]

I read some of the thread, and they wanted to make it work with AIP

Not sure what happened now

[balmy sun]

this means that — you can't fetch the game's via google API atleast not anymore, is also more stricter than before and also it has to be installed via playstore.

either i install waydroid which, is literally android x86 as sandboxed and REALLY tedious to set everything up

or i move back to windows

this means that installing the game from third party stores is also dead too

[zenith copper]

Waydroid is not for me lol

Me am NVIDIA loser

[balmy sun]

it's worse than linux launcher we have here

you just can't enable VV no matter of what hardware you use.

[zenith copper]

Fuuuuuuckkk

That's fucked up tbh

I'm disliking the state of Android in general tbh

[balmy sun]

folks at bedrock linux is maybe or still looking API source code and attempting to patch it

but they sure are really aware of it.

[zenith copper]

Even as we're talking about it here lol

[balmy sun]

i still probably believe in my theory ngl but also still skeptical.

[zenith copper]

Also

[balmy sun]

previous preview they enabled AIP, this preview they turned into GDK entirely

[zenith copper]

Doesn't AIP mess up people using microG?

[balmy sun]

yeah.

[zenith copper]

Android is so doomed

[balmy sun]

AIP is extremely strict and expects you to install it on playstore only.

this kills piracy for sure but people who wanna mod the game or bedrock linux people? yeah it's dead too.

[zenith copper]

I mean, you can use the Play Store with microG

[balmy sun]

that, unfortunately no longer matters since the android system itself does log which and where the app is installed.

it's not a google service thing.

you can also tell by your apps settings too.

[zenith copper]

Yeahh

Tbh, now there's no difference between Android and iOS

Google is trying to lock down Android

[balmy sun]

yeah, fortunately AIP is very optional thing by devs

it's not a requirement.

[zenith copper]

Might be in the future, who knows

[keen jackal]

Actually in latest bds there is some additional proxing as well but i didn't look at details yet

[lofty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-over-head-gif-19697548

[alpine bison]

[zenith copper]

If it wasn't clear already smh

[zenith copper]

Uhm, how do I import packs now lol

[quiet dome]

Check the pins.

[zenith copper]

Yeah, but is a user supposed to not be able to double click on an .mcaddon now?

[quiet dome]

They can.

[novel patrol]

no

i tried choosing another app too

[quiet dome]

You right.

They forgot the other extensions.

[novel patrol]

😭

[woven galleon]

moyang forgor

[zenith copper]

Mojang, please fix

[woven galleon]

no way

[zenith copper]

[quiet dome]

Bug report anyone?

Or I can.

[zenith copper]

Does the new platform require an MS account now?

[quiet dome]

No.

[zenith copper]

Uhh, you can do it if you want to :3

[quiet dome]

https://report.bugs.mojang.com/servicedesk/customer/portal/6/MCPE-227874

[cold reef]

(MCPE-227874) Importing .mcpack, .mcaddon, or .mcworld files while the game is opened no longer works

Status

To Do (Open)

Resolution

Unresolved

[quiet dome]

Nevermind

Nevermind, that's a completely different issue.

https://report.bugs.mojang.com/servicedesk/customer/portal/6/MCPE-227920

[cold reef]

(MCPE-227920) Preview GDK Build is missing a lot of "SupportedFileTypes" from the UWP Build

Status

To Do (Open)

Resolution

Unresolved

[quiet dome]

Done.

[novel patrol]

[civic vessel]

i have an app that can read a folder from outside android folder, so it is definitely possible

[balmy sun]

certainly possible in stable but does not on 1.21.120.2X due to AIP.

[thin rune]

Whats the name?

[civic vessel]

any app by "kustom"

[thin rune]

Is this the name? If yes i can't finde it

[civic vessel]

kwgt

[thin rune]

Why does it show a widget creator?

[versed pasture]

Does it being in gdk mean anything for the modding community?

[sonic ibex]

Yeah, I published the changes on 9/9 including new articles like the article on GDK migration: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/gdkpcprojectfolder?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable. Not sure why the changes didn't quite make their way to github.com/microsoftdocs/minecraft-creator... the build looked normal on my side. Hmm. I'll see if minecraft-creator updates in next week's update and if it fixes itself.

[quiet dome]

Thanks! Couldnt see what was new from a quick glance at the ToC.

[silent moss]

When I try to import a package that has "&" in the name it simply doesn't work, the game opens but is not imported

[muted dagger]

not really, except that there is no more sandbox

[civic vessel]

it's not a game

but the app can read/modify data from a separate folder that is not in Android folders

[lofty sorrel]

silly question but is minecraft legends using gdk?

[boreal geode]

ye

[civic vessel]

both dungeons and legends use gdk

[white karma]

Dungeons, Legends, and Launcher all use GDK

[lofty sorrel]

Has anyone already figured out how to download older versions of those?

[muted dagger]

@quiet dome FWIW, I've found a much cleaner way of extracting the decrypted executable without running the game

You can use the PS command Invoke-CommandInDesktopPackage to run an arbitrary command inside the environment of the game package, this will run the dependency installer and decrypt the executable then execute that command. The spawned process running the command is then able to just copy the executable file wherever, I tested by running powershell inside the package environment

the code of that command uses undocumented internal windows apis that are different between win 10 / win 11, so to do it without powershell in some hypothetical tool/launcher you'd need some sketchy C# code

[balmy sun]

Huh, so GDK on wine is technically possible with some patching.

I've played dungeons (non-steam version, which uses GDK and won't even launch if i don't have a certain dependency on windows) to finish via wine aswell, but had a little trouble setting it up but managed to do so in the end.

I do wonder if i can use some patching in this preview GDK build and try to run it on linux.

[muted dagger]

they use many unimplemented WinRT apis

[balmy sun]

seems like it, also I'm able to launch legends aswell but didn't really play it as I'm not interested.

[muted dagger]

wine devs have actually been implementing quite a few as of late

[balmy sun]

i suppose it's a valve thing ngl

they do contribute really alot on wine.

[jade anvil]

Still no info on server bindings?

[gleaming plover]

that may be after 3.0.0

[balmy sun]

Able to launch it, window does show up but crashes afterward. i assume it's expecting MS store?

oh well, that's another time for later.

[muted dagger]

most likely

[balmy sun]

Apparently someone managed to decrypt the exe file, so i guess people may start patching it soon.

[muted dagger]

besides that based on strings in the executable I think clipboard, file dialogs, and typing will not work

[muted dagger]

decrypting the executable is very easy, it's just standard protection applied to xbox game pass games from what I've seen

there are complaints about it going back 6 years. so nothing new

[balmy sun]

yeah, that one is still yet unclear for me. some say that it's windows kernel doing an encrypt thing on GDK and others is, quite interesting.

but since i got it launching and crashed afterward, i guess it's just expecting MS store.

[muted dagger]

my guess is that it's happening at the filesystem driver level

but I think it's not super relevant because it's trivially easy to circumvent

[balmy sun]

yeah people are able to bypass it quite alot.

[civic vessel]

just, most of xbox games

[civic vessel]

wasn't it "borked"?

[jade anvil]

Yea, probably tries to check if the game license is there

[balmy sun]

No, it works fine. managed to finish the game with it.

(DLC not included.)

[balmy sun]

might not be the case but yeah.

the game does have trial edition as a failsafe if the license are failed.

[jade anvil]

Oh, even if it's not "no license" but an error?

[balmy sun]

yeah, though no error.

i do have the game turning into trial edition quite alot, well. too often if MS's auth server failed.

[gleaming plover]

waitwhat

dont tell me

[civic vessel]

i hope so, as on steamdb it said that the game is totally unplayable on linux

[gleaming plover]

is the topic talking about related to buying/trial version of minecraft bedrok?

[jade anvil]

Idk, in theory trying to use the msstore api without msstore should throw an error

[balmy sun]

They are probably playing on a non-steam version, which is a GDK build. but i patched it myself so it works out of the box.

Steam version isn't GDK build and is actually playable on proton out of the box too, no patch needed. unfortunately, steam version does not have COOP or multiplayer.

[gleaming plover]

shit Is it being changed on GDK.. someone reply

[jade anvil]

I know for sure the versions without msstore checks work, so it's definetly msstore's problem

[jade anvil]

It is

I mean

[gleaming plover]

oh

no

im ded

[balmy sun]

yeah but the exe file is encrypted. not much i can do anyways at the moment. surely someone will eventually patch it and make it work.

it's decryptable. but i don't have time for that as for now.

[gleaming plover]

we all are ded if it is

[civic vessel]

wait, i think i was in wrong page?

not protondb but, steamdb

[balmy sun]

i think you might.

dungeon came on MS store/MC launcher for awhile, but steam ver released probably few days or weeks after that.

since now if you own the game on steam, you can play it on wine. alot of people done that now and you can see several youtubers doing it so.

[jade anvil]

Wdym dead

[balmy sun]

but for me, i still play on GDK since. well, coop lmao

[jade anvil]

Just removing the msstore calls would fix the version, but distributing it will be considered piracy

[balmy sun]

yeah unfortunately.

[jade anvil]

We could make a patcher app that requires owning the game

To patch it locally
In theory that wouldn't be piracy

But i don't really know ToS and EULA

[balmy sun]

as long as you bring your own copy of the game files (since MS bonked the API for these GDK games and builds so you can't fetch it atleast for now), have a MS account that has a copy i think you're fine.

it works like third-party bedrock launchers, except that you have to dump the game by yourself.

[jade anvil]

Or we need to create msstore linux edition

[balmy sun]

eh, that's kinda impossible unfortunately

[gleaming plover]

ok

sorry

🙏

[jade anvil]

I meant attach it to our own api that can return if the license is there

Still being patched but in a different way

[jade anvil]

Maybe ask it from the Xbox APIs directly

If they are accessible, yea

Or we need to create the app that patches it locally

Isn't "user X owns Minecraft" publicly available data

[balmy sun]

No.

well, kinda of. you need to sign in MS account for it to check anyways.

and you know, MS login api and stuff doesn't certainly play nice but it works

it's better than someone patching the education edition, turning it into normal bedrock and works on basically everything.

[thin rune]

Nah, it can't. I tried it. I'm on Android 15, I think they fixed everything.

[civic vessel]

i think you didn't provide enough permissions to the app

[thin rune]

Nah it won't work I tried several Apps everyone has the same issue

[quiet dome]

Chat...3rd party launchers might be saved.

[quiet dome]

Will mess around with this.

So far a few issues have been tackled:

• Getting download links
• Getting previous versions links

Just need to figure out how to launch it.

[lofty sorrel]

how has the 2nd thing been tackled?

[quiet dome]

See the screenshot I attached above.

[lofty sorrel]

it says that the api doesnt provide older versions?

[quiet dome]

But if we save the links we can access older versions is what I interpreted no?

[lofty sorrel]

oh

i was assuming theyd expire at some point like microsoft store links

[quiet dome]

Oh true...I didnt think about that. However, the retail version doesnt expire.

The UWP preview suffers from this as well though.

[white karma]

Here's a thought, become an Xbox developer, sign the nda for gdk, then leak everything

or don't 😔

[sinful knoll]

[quiet dome]

Oops, Preview isnt compatible with your device is crazy.

[honest talon]

Do we have a new update or something??

[quiet dome]

No.

[honest talon]

What did MS store just download then 😭

[quiet dome]

Its a bug.

[livid python]

Malware

[sinful knoll]

[quiet dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6lxvjZlzuo 😛

[muted dagger]

I was able to move all the files out of the installation directory, "uninstall" the game, and run the executable with the game still starting. So maybe adding the app package can be used to just extract the files, where they can be moved to some internal launcher directory

[keen jackal]

The problem is once you restart your pc the files gets back blocked

well thats the behavior i have

Might you also share how exactly you use that invoke-commandInDesktop?

[muted dagger]

using the method I described before, that's not the case.

yeah one second

Invoke-CommandInDesktopPackage -PackageFamilyName Microsoft.MinecraftWindowsBeta_8wekyb3d8bbwe -Command powershell

this command will spawn a powershell process inside the "package environment", from there you can use Copy-Item to copy the executable to the desired directory

and it will not be protected and remain decrypted after reboot

[keen jackal]

i see

thats really smart

[muted dagger]

you also don't have to start the game for the decryption to happen

[quiet dome]

Relearning the basics of C# right now and someone did bring this up: https://www.nuget.org/packages/Microsoft.PowerShell.SDK/#readme-body-tab

I just have to wait for next week to double confirm that we can indeed download older versions.

[keen jackal]

yea u also use latest powrshell bc its not actually bad

[keen jackal]

I am already trying to solve this but i need some time to figure Xbox authentication process (We don't want pirate the game!)

[muted dagger]

the msixvc downloader we found requires M$ authentication

should be just as okay as MCLauncher

[muted dagger]

when doing this programmatically you'd want to just have a custom executable

[quiet dome]

https://github.com/skydevil88/XboxDownload/discussions/131#discussioncomment-14389651

This is the repo I'm using as a starting point. Trying to integrate this into my current launcher.

[muted dagger]

so youd have to have some public database of links

[quiet dome]

Which idk the legalities of it... but I do have https://github.com/SmokeyStack/versiondb/blob/main/versions.json of uuids so...

[keen jackal]

these are related to UWP aren't they?

i mean to MS Store catalog

[quiet dome]

Yep. Im saying if Im still allowed to have a public db of the UWP uuids...it should be fine for a public db of the GDK links.

[keen jackal]

Have you manage to avoid dependency installer in general? So far i always have to run it with higher privileges

[muted dagger]

dependency installer does require admin

[keen jackal]

yea

and its always required when running right?

[muted dagger]

maybe it can work if you run the ps command as admin

[keen jackal]

Well in that case u need admin rights for the powershell it self, weird that there is no proper way of avoiding it

[muted dagger]

yeah that would be annoying

but i think it's the best that can be done right now

unless someone finds a way to unpack the msixvc file

[keen jackal]

funny thing is that official game installer also needs it so they might siwtch to something different

or idk

You should not need admin rights to install game lol

[muted dagger]

unlikely, this is internal proprietary windows functionality we're dealing with

[keen jackal]

Well you actually don't need to run depedency installer you can just skip it and click on MC directly, but it still will ask you

[muted dagger]

yeah that's the main concern

disrupts the UX with the prompt

[quiet dome]

Can you not just launch your app in admin mode first or is that the UX disruption?

[keen jackal]

I will try multiple things, but i know that if you want to test it you have to reinstall whole installation lol

Its taking ages at the moment

[thick ledge]

Add-AppxPackage took ages for me to install from the msixvc, something like 5 minutes to finish. I see wdapp.exe as part of the GDK can also install them. Not sure if it is faster but I don't really want to install the entire GDK SDK to get one exe lol.

[keen jackal]

real

[keen jackal]

Yea just test it,

[pliant ginkgo]

the textures on bedrock are not stretched correctly, which means the pixels close to the border of the block are smaller than the one on the rest of the texture

and all shelves are some weird VV supports

[muted dagger]

would be cool to not have to do that

[vale garden]

I did this crazy thing with UWP build

For this current GDK build, IDK how to bridge the data folder correctly to make it work like a version manager

[quiet dome]

Thats what the community is trying to figure out now.

We tackled a few problems, but theres still a few left unsolved.

[vale garden]

Someone has already created a PowerShell script that allows Minecraft to duplicate instances

@echo off
setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

:: Define the base registry path
set "basePath=HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Classes\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Launch\PackageId"

:: Find the Minecraft UWP PackageId
for /f "tokens=*" %%a in ('reg query "%basePath%" /f "Microsoft.MinecraftUWP_" /k 2^>nul') do (
    set "packageId=%%a"
    set "packageId=!packageId:%basePath%\=!"
    if "!packageId!" neq "" (
        echo Found Minecraft UWP PackageId: !packageId!
        goto :apply_registry_change
    )
)

echo Minecraft UWP PackageId not found in the registry.
goto :end

:apply_registry_change
:: Define the full registry path
set "fullPath=%basePath%\!packageId!\ActivatableClassId\App\CustomProperties"

:: Create the CustomProperties key if it doesn't exist
reg add "%fullPath%" /f >nul 2>&1

:: Add or update the SupportsMultipleInstances DWORD value
reg add "%fullPath%" /v "SupportsMultipleInstances" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f >nul

echo Successfully enabled multiple instances for Minecraft UWP (PackageId: !packageId!).

:end
pause

[quiet dome]

We're talking about the GDK build though...

[vale garden]

ohh yea

[spring folio]

so uh

[spring folio]

if thats the case

why do i need server-bindings module to use server module

[spring folio]

theres still no info about it other than metadata in github

[honest talon]

I wonder if it's possible to overwrite the game's manifest to allow that

[bright lotus]

why all mobs getting stuck when walk through armor stand?

[keen jackal]

you don't need to specify bindings version, they are imported internally so just import @minecraft/server as u used to before

[spring folio]

i see, thats a good tip

but do you know why its a requirement?

idk if there was any mention of this change (could it be a bug?)

[keen jackal]

No its internal change, you shouldn't need to change anything

[spring folio]

huh...

[keen jackal]

manifest that u used before should be the same as now

[spring folio]

oddly enough i couldnt use my pack without it

[keen jackal]

Are you sure? if so then its a bug

[spring folio]

yeah im sure

[keen jackal]

Show me your old manifest vs new one

[spring folio]

though i did try to use that beta version without numbers

[spring folio]

dont have accsss to my pc rn

remind me in uhh 6 hours

[keen jackal]

its 9 PM for me lol

[spring folio]

rip

ill pong you with the manifests then

[spring folio]

the only difference was this tho

thats all i can tell rn

i forgot if i couldnt use the pack even with numbers

[modest ore]

You didnt know? Theres also %userprofile% and %localappdata%

Those might be useful for you some time. I have found them to be.

[quiet dome]

I never said that.

[modest ore]

You made it seem like it, otherwise u were purposefully misleading..

[quiet dome]

I never said that.

[modest ore]

I never said that.

[quiet dome]

Ok. 👍

[spring folio]

ok apparently it was just that beta for server module's version doesnt work

it works as intended if i do 2.4.0-beta for module version 😓

...or not???

this is confusing as heck

[short jewel]

So if you do

{
            "module_name": "@minecraft/server",
            "version": "beta"
}
        ```
It doesn't work ???

[spring folio]

i dunno????

[short jewel]

oh

[spring folio]

it was so inconsistent that i couldnt even figure it out

[short jewel]

huh

[spring folio]

yeah

[short jewel]

weird

[spring folio]

something was borked

[short jewel]

hmm

[spring folio]

with the game not reading files or something

if i were to test that it would take like

[short jewel]

I haven't tried it yet so I dunno

[spring folio]

30 minutes minimum