1.21.50.26 - Preview

[hardy hill]

I don't think terrain is always saved, but structures are, right?

[robust current]

It's the same?

[modest pagoda]

structures are

[slender isle]

This preview is just a blast

[orchid lynx]

Is jigsaw in bedrock same as java

[hardy hill]

could've sworn there was an optimization to prevent unmodified terrain saving

[slender isle]

yes

[robust current]

But...structures are part of the chunk.

[surreal hinge]

not all chunks are saved just by looking at them, that will bloat the world size

[modest pagoda]

if you view a mapping program, you will villages and such dotted throughout the edges of explored chunks

[slender isle]

Oh, I love the new sound stuff for biomes now. I love that so much. And the water detection stuff. I am so hyped to use those.

[noble turret]

oh.. that simple, oki, thank u!

[robust current]

Actually, I'm a tad confused on the wording.

[twilit quest]

i have cut-off villages so i don't think structures cause a chunk to be saved

[slender isle]

It doesn't work properly just yet.

[hardy hill]

I'm referring to POIs

[modest pagoda]

like in the not saved chunks you will have floating chunks where structures are

[hardy hill]

not features like trees

things generated by jigsaw

[ruby bane]

If you're referring to features changing after you make changes to the JSON and reload the world, afaik that only happens to recently loaded chunks

[robust current]

I thought Yasser said about seeing a Structure in their render dist but not sim dist and yall are saying the structure gets saved?

[noble turret]

aha, okey, i'll be looking farward for it to work as needed

[modest pagoda]

pretty sure jigsaw structures do

[slender isle]

It works, but it will always point to the same structure location.

[hardy hill]

render distance is still generated, unless you have client-side generation on (if that's a thing still? I think I saw that before)

[robust current]

Generated but not saved.

[surreal hinge]

i suppose that's correct for old structures, but there is no telling for the new ones, i have never seen an ancient city in a map viewer sticking to the side before

[hardy hill]

for jigsaws I'd assume they'd be saved

I mean, sort of simple way to test this

load up a world with an addon, /locate ur structure

[noble turret]

ooh, okey, even if like 1000 blocks away?

[hardy hill]

save the coords

[slender isle]

Yep

[modest pagoda]

things like basic dungeons that are just features don't save chunks, but villages I know for sure do

[slender isle]

It's a start though!!

[noble turret]

okey, thank u

[hardy hill]

go into a new world and get near where that structure would be

[noble turret]

ye, that for sure! =D

[manic crown]

aren't dungeons features?

You can't locate them

[slender isle]

Oh, I also noticed that a jigsaw structure changes when you reload your world and made changes to the jigsaw structure. I think it affects those you haven't fully loaded?

[modest pagoda]

yeah, that's what I was saying

[robust current]

How does one expect custom structure map icon to work?

Where would ti be defined?

[surreal hinge]

it's a green triangle

[hardy hill]

incoming map_icons.json

[surreal hinge]

maybe

[umbral spear]

Maybe define an icon within the structure file? Maybe??? IDK.

[robust current]

Not what I asked.

[surreal hinge]

oh, let me take a closer look

[robust current]

Please...no more one giant file.

[umbral spear]

LOL

[modest pagoda]

I would think within the group that is being located

[hardy hill]

we need more!

[ruby bane]

Hopefully somewhere in the structure file

[robust current]

I kind of expected it to be in the jigsaw json to be honest.

[twilit quest]

server-side texture definitions then?

[modest pagoda]

the structure group json

[hardy hill]

we can't just be left with the atlas files, I need more giant files

[robust current]

I hope Minecraft crashes for you when you're doing something important next time.

[umbral spear]

Honestly this, like how BP item files work when retrieving an icon.

[hardy hill]

jokes on you, that happens anyway!

[robust current]

What if...client_biome has a structure icon... biome based structure icon.

[manic crown]

Nah

[robust current]

And I hate that.

Client stuff shouldn't be in the BP JSON.

[umbral spear]

Wait really? Why?

[ruby bane]

client_structure.json

[umbral spear]

But less files!

[hardy hill]

RP should be client stuff, idk why BP is defining display stuff

[manic crown]

Ideally, client resources are defined in RP

[robust current]

Ok then, let's move all blocks and items into ONE file.

[hardy hill]

just support:

[
  { "minecraft:block": {...} },
  { "minecraft:block": {...} }
]

[twilit quest]

yes consistency with the geometry format

[surreal hinge]

are you a fan of the old 1.10 rp item files?

[hardy hill]

I am

makes more sense that way

[surreal hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/david-rose-gif-3214199033367100027

[robust current]

Has anyone tried the lang files yet?

feature.trial_chambers=Trial Chambers
item.map.exploration.trial_chambers.name=Trial Explorer Map

[hardy hill]

keep display/rendering stuff in the RP

[slender isle]

Oh. I am curious how that'd work for a custom structure locator map

[umbral spear]

Would that be a good idea tho? Block and items all together?

[hardy hill]

oh, what does a custom structure locator map display for the display name?

[manic crown]

I wonder if there's anywhere where the coordinates for the icons are defined

[robust current]

Wrong:

{
  "minecraft:registry":{
    "blocks":[
      { "minecraft:block": {} }
     ],
    "items":[
      { "minecraft:item": {} }
    ]
  }
}

[lean forum]

Structure is just for structure blocks, stuff you have saved in a structure block, while /place is going to be for jigsaw blocks, works basically the same as the java command

[hardy hill]

ahhh, right mb

[robust current]

Hey you said less files!

[hardy hill]

missing some stuff tho

[umbral spear]

I guess that would look better...

[robust current]

If that's your only excuse to defending client stuff being in BP JSON then that's the argument I'm going for.

[umbral spear]

True lol

[hardy hill]

"entities": [], "animations": {}, "animation_controllers": {}

[twilit quest]

add the mcstructure nbt in there too

[robust current]

My bad:

[manic crown]

Let's also 🤢 accept only a single script file. no imports

[hardy hill]

isn't that what the old script API was?

[surreal hinge]

that's not too bad

[hardy hill]

are we seeing the same thing?

[manic crown]

🤸
🏌️‍♂️

[robust current]

@slender isleNew job for you.

[tranquil oracle]

Outsourcing all of your work smh

[lean forum]

@random star opinions on the upcoming jigsaw update for your command based 1d perlin?

[slender isle]

🙏 I just hopped on COD with my homies

[ruby bane]

Where is the first line used?

[robust current]

I wish you the best of luck for the next 2 hours.

[robust current]

I believe /locate.

[slender isle]

I'll test out the lang stuff, dw :P

[robust current]

Is it outsourcing if it's in this server?

[ruby bane]

Ah that makes sense

[tranquil oracle]

insourcing?

[modest pagoda]

Plus, Smokey already said he doesn't use add-ons

[neat kayak]

Happy Preview day

[distant night]

HAPPY DAY

[neat kayak]

We all celebrating Preview day and Darknavi out here celebrating he is still alive.. damn

[willow burrow]

What should I imagine under this?

[robust current]

No go it seems.

Tried both id and namespace:id

[tranquil oracle]

I was curious about this one as well

not really sure what it means

[willow burrow]

Seems like it's just about detecting the input "glyph" in the UI? #1301216627185942571 message

I got a little bit too hyped about it, as I thought it means custom images finally in the UI.

[tranquil oracle]

You mean via scripting?

[willow burrow]

Yeah, this seems to be the "glyph" which outputs SPACE if you're on a keyboard device in the example sent above.

I really don't know honestly, this is just what was sent here before.

[distant night]

Yeah it's a minor feature with some bug fixes still to come

but it is useful for showing the "Jump" key which will automatically change based on the player's input device

[willow burrow]

That can be useful.

I can imagine.

[robust current]

Damn...I thought I got custom structure map icon to work...oh well.

[blissful orchid]

allow you to use input Keys directly in forms

[slender isle]

Oh that's useful.

[ruby bane]

Yeah, nice to have it work in forms now

[slender isle]

So tired to type "right mouse button/RT" for example qwq

[blissful orchid]

i was testing if it is a thing in stable and this happened

[muted garden]

Weird.

[tranquil oracle]

how, exactly?

[blissful orchid]

just type it as string
no raw stuff needed
"press :_input_key.jump: to fly"

[muted garden]

No way.

[tranquil oracle]

ahh woops I didn't see the beginning underscore

cool

[blissful orchid]

it would be nice if we can our own custom text/emojis that depend on the device

[tranquil oracle]

I'm not sure what that would be used for since it's always input related

[neat kayak]

You can change the icons with a resource pack for the input keys and allow them to add emoji in-game

[tranquil oracle]

you can already do that using glyphs

[blissful orchid]

yeah nvm
idk what i was thinking

i assume this can be used outside forms?

[tranquil oracle]

You can type in text

[blissful orchid]

cool

[somber coral]

Jesus, minecraft:liquid_detection is obscenely robust. I don't think I've seen a component deliver so hard on a feature from the get-go in a while.

I only noted one bug on it, wherein it was possible to suspend a water source block without it updating upon the block being broken.

I'd also say it's kinda weird that it doesn't support minecraft:water as a liquid value.

[random star]

Idk. I’ll see what I could do. But I’m on xbox so not much

[robust current]

@somber coral you mean?

I can confirm it also affects vanilla via

[somber coral]

It looks like the worst core offenders to blocks now are:

• No multi-collision or multi/extended selection
• Lame loot tables (which is more a problem with a different system, but still…)
• No custom pick block, which item proxies can't always help with 😦
• No ambient occlusion projection for custom geometries
• No way to inform the engine that a block should be treated as solid or placement replaceable

Yeah, that's a bug surely.

[pliant edge]

Don't call him Shirley!

[somber coral]

Spunky

Sprinkles

[raven rune]

jigsaws aren't perfect but i enjoy them

[somber coral]

I'm very happy they went the route of loggability not being a block state. This is so, so much better.

[manic crown]

I'd be surprised if they did. That's not how waterlogging works on Bedrock at all. Why would custom blocks be any different?

[slender isle]

Oh yea. They still need some work, but it's a great start!

[robust current]

Because Bedrock.

[slender isle]

New job for me: Check jigsaw structures in the nether.

It crashes the game once you enter the nether, nice!

[raven rune]

hmmmmm. fun

[slender isle]

What if it uses a different step?

[raven rune]

no clue

i been having too much fun

[slender isle]

:p

[robust current]

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[somber coral]

Oh, I just came across the minecraft:compostable bug where it always succeeds on empty composters.

[robust current]

Still have no idea how looked at determines what a feet and body is. Also hoping for look at specific and trigger event.

[robust current]

What do you mean?

[somber coral]

Usage of items with minecraft:compostable on an empty composter always succeeds, regardless of the specified chance.

[robust current]

Both via hoppers and hand?

[somber coral]

[pliant edge]

I assume "feet" is simply the entity's position. I have never figured out what defines a mob's eye height though

[slender isle]

I mean, they place in the end but no terrain adaptation.

[somber coral]

It's exclusively set via the collision box on entities not using a runtime identifier.

We need server anchors exposed, too…

[tranquil oracle]

believe it or not I never have opened a map in the Nether. What happens if you try and give an explorer map for a structure that generates in another dimension?

[slender isle]

I can test for you.

[tranquil oracle]

all I'm getting to tonight is probably adding the water breakage to my plants, all the structure stuff is going to require me to rebuild out all of my structures since I don't know where the worlds with the originals are

[robust current]

Ive tested that!

For the endcity and fortress it renders the OW terrain.

[slender isle]

nice map

[tranquil oracle]

does it still point to the structure in the end?

oh

[robust current]

Unless they changed it, i tested 3 months ago. I gave myself an explorer map of each structure in each dimension.

[slender isle]

I think the nether and end part isn't finished yet.

[robust current]

Technically it is the world surface.

[somber coral]

I highly doubt they'd ever do it, but it'd be damned powerful to have minecraft:transformation usable underneath minecraft:item_display, too.

[robust current]

Do you mean visual or item display transforms?

[slender isle]

Yea. Though I wonder how they get the "surface", like we used to do with q.heightmap.

[robust current]

I still hate jigsaws steps. Shoudlve use placement pass.

[somber coral]

I guess it would work with item display transforms, but those can be painful to repivot due to how they're setup.

[somber coral]

Eh, those suck in their own way, too. They don't mean anything, either.

[slender isle]

Well, I am not sure how those would work.

Steps should take place before any other feature, like on Java I think?

[pliant edge]

Do you know if it is some percentage of the entity's total height (like 90%)?

[robust current]

Do they?

[robust current]

At least tell me if they have a mapped to placement pass.

[slender isle]

I am pretty sure they don't. The jigsaw should place first, and then the tree features after. -- example

[robust current]

Stealing those.

[pliant edge]

Aha, I was on point

[somber coral]

No, these all happen before features are run.

[robust current]

...this looks like tree forst then jigsaw.

[slender isle]

yep

Should not work that way from what I know.

[robust current]

Which..doesnt back up your point?

[fleet jay]

when do big stable updates usually come out?

[robust current]

This one will be December or January.

[fleet jay]

ohh alr thanks!

[slender isle]

edited* :3

[somber coral]

I did some tests earlier wherein a first_pass feature replaced something that was in the last usable pass of structures, and that worked right.

Oh, man, I just realized this system can be abused to place features and locate them using maps. I'm gonna go crazy with this stuff soon.

[slender isle]

Uh oh

[subtle solstice]

So are the placement steps the same as java?

[slender isle]

I mean, yea.

[somber coral]

Oh, my god. geometry in minecraft:item_display is checked for being in bounds. 🤦

[pliant edge]

Bounds for what, a block?

[robust current]

Expected.

[subtle solstice]

So on java features don't generate on specific steps and is instead based on step for them generating per BIOME, so if they work the same on bedrock then they are generated at different times from structures

[robust current]

What I wanna know is why are jigsaws placed first before features instead of in conjunction.

[somber coral]

Yeah…

[somber coral]

You'd always place superstructures before features.

[slender isle]

So, why does it generate my path on top of a tree or the houses? hmm

[somber coral]

I truly don't know. It's possible they aren't stacking out-of-bounds segment ordering correctly inside each respective chunk.

[slender isle]

What's the thing called where it's supposed to check for the other structure's bounds before making a placement? I know on Java a jigsaw won't place something if it enters the bounds of another structure.

I also found out on Java that the jigsaw block has to be at the edge of the structure bounds for it to place, which makes sense, I guess?

[subtle solstice]

do you mean the structure/part bounds or the structure exclusion zone?

[slender isle]

I don't really know what it is called, but that white boundbox when you save a structure

[somber coral]

Oh… item_display_transforms don't work with minecraft:item_display… at least not from what I can see at a glance.

[robust current]

Worked for me?

[robust current]

https://vxtwitter.com/SmokeyStack_/status/1851661205288673690?t=9nL8lCrC-g57HQhs1cAC-w&s=19

[subtle solstice]

Wiki refers to the outline as "bounding box" and structure outline. Ingame, the structure block hides the white box if bounding box option is turned off. Idk if the code actually refers to said save/load zone as bounding box tho. Something to note is that the XYZ markers are also included with the box ¯_(ツ)_/¯

The jigsaw does use this box shape for structure loading though, and if a jigsaw were to interfere it would try to generate a smaller room in the template pool if possible or use fallback

[slender isle]

Or place nothing at all.

Do we know the max structure size a jigsaw can place?

[subtle solstice]

yeah usually the case. Also vanilla jigsaws define fallback as minecraft:empty so it wouldn't matter for vanilla structures anyway

[slender isle]

Yea

[subtle solstice]

is it not the same 20 size limit as datapacks?

[robust current]

9x9 chunks.

[subtle solstice]

oops sorry i completely misinterpreted what you said as structure size and not placement size

[slender isle]

Sorry, I meant the structure placed by the jigsaw block.

[robust current]

Is it not just 64x64 or 48x48?

[slender isle]

I know the structure feature max is 48x48, but not sure about Jigsaws. It opens more room for me to mess around.

[robust current]

Either way its restricted by the structure block no?

[tranquil oracle]

@slender isle Is there no sound that gets played when the custom plants are popped for you? It should be playing the block break sound so it mimics vanilla

Not sure if I'm missing something

[slender isle]

Uh, let me check.

[tranquil oracle]

mine are silent

[slender isle]

I really don't know.

Oh yea, no sound. Hmm.

[subtle solstice]

unless it was changed structures above the normal save limit can be made using structure editors or do you mean smt else

[tranquil oracle]

let me check something

yeah nothing new in the block sound files 😔 hopefully this gets added next week or I'm going to lose my mind and add it with scripting

[compact dove]

Is there a place that explains this component better?

[robust current]

The html docs and the pinned messages has a full example.

[steel lynx]

ive been having funnn

actuallly looks so majestic

ive been havin issues tho idk why but my structures are cutting in random places and size

[tranquil oracle]

I think it's a bug, the person who did the tutorial video encountered the same issue

Oh wait

Your structure is actually just getting cut off here

How big is it?

[steel lynx]

the structure?

[tranquil oracle]

Yes

And are those two segments cutting into each other or were they same one

[steel lynx]

its quite big tbf

[compact dove]

now can we create maps for our structures?

[robust current]

Yes.

Check the pinned.

[compact dove]

man this is simply the best version of the game, i really loved this version

[compact dove]

Where would this be? in the villagers' exchanges?

[robust current]

Any loot table.

[tranquil oracle]

Will a structure with a map containing a chest to the same structure lead to itself?

[robust current]

I ran a loot command to give me a new map and it leads to the same one. Even though im standing right on it.

[tranquil oracle]

What about a second map?

Same thing?

[robust current]

What do you mean second map?

[tranquil oracle]

Two maps to the same structure

Does it update to show a new one after getting a second one?

[robust current]

I ran the loot command three times and it led to the same structure. I did this while I was standing on the structure and placed blocks to save the chunks.

[tranquil oracle]

Ah

We need whatever Mojang implemented to structures in the backend that tracks if a player has been to that structure before

[lean forum]

Anyone know what the "mine" addition does in /loot?

It's something which would give you a dropped block right?

[sturdy marsh]

Java actually has that feature data driven. It's supported wherever predicates are supported.

Like you want a loot table that drops special items in villages? That's easy to add.

The vanilla advancements use it too.

[robust current]

And custom map icon. I thought I had it figured out but no luck.

[subtle solstice]

Doesn't this also happen with vanilla treasure maps if they are close enough to the same treasure? Either way it would be nice to be able to embed that info into the item itself similar to component editing on java.

[robust current]

For other structures it leads to a new one 🙂 .

[wheat granite]

Do you have a server for 1.21.41 for peaceful players like me

[north current]

New Panorama Added! Did no one notice this??

[robust current]

It was mentioned in the changelogs.

[north current]

oh ok lol

but loving the new pick block on mobile. Was needed for so long.

[left socket]

YAHOOOOOO

[crimson robin]

whats inside?

[manic crown]

So since they picked out a panorama, I guess that means no more new features

[digital widget]

https://tenor.com/view/комару-кот-кошка-komaru-cat-gif-17843464041156794420

[ruby bane]

Don't vanilla ones do that too?

Iirc you need to be far enough away for it to show a new one

[slender isle]

Terrain adaptation is just the best thing ever.

[raven rune]

honestlyyy

im in love

[north current]

i watched the creator series video and honestly couldn't believe how easy it is to make custom structures already :O

it's definitely worth watching the creator youtube channel videos to learn bedrock modding

like damn that was so easy to make a custom generating structures

[somber coral]

I'd actually argue that this is the hardest system to work with by far, but that's just the nature of having to export those structure files. I'm not sure they could even possibly make this any easier.

I admittedly haven't had the chance to check out Minecraft Editor in a while. Maybe there's something there that makes cataloguing, editing, and exporting structures easier.

[north current]

same. It's been so long for me since I have tried the editor. So many features are coming in but I haven't had the time to check them, and also, copy pasting code isn't really that hard.

but yeah i do kinda agree with your point if we were to make some really cool looking and big complex structures, that would take some time but worth the shot for basic.

it does feel easy for everyone if we were to watch a video and try learning it.

[static cypress]

i really hope we will get the ability to open the enttiy inventory UI without interacting with the entity itself in the near future,
just like having the ability to open the inventory entity using scripts, this will be very very good for creators.

[robust current]

I wonder if its context is based off villagers bc cartographers give you a new map.

[bleak oar]

Not yet. But structures is something the Editor team is looking at. I'm sure the team would love your suggestions over in #old-editor 🙂

[robust current]

Jigsaw Wizard when?

[somber coral]

Thanks, maybe I’ll crack Editor open later and take a look at the state of things.

[raven pagoda]

Could we possibly get a hint at what yall are cooking? 👀

[torpid panther]

THIS IS A THING!?

HUH!?

WHERE HAS THIS BEEN!?

[lean forum]

?

[robust current]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/lootoverloads?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[brazen spade]

anyone got creation showcases for jigsaw blocks yet?

[robust current]

Browse twitter and this channel!

[gentle tide]

Browse twitter
👎

[robust current]

Sorry, "Browse X" is that better?

[gray tusk]

imagine calling twitter x

[brazen spade]

yeah, there seems alot more stuff to do with jigsaw blocks. wondering if there are any example files for this?

[robust current]

Check the pins!

[brazen spade]

we need liquid flow updates in script api!

[brazen spade]

thank you!

[lean forum]

Man I swear I looked everywhere on google

[lean forum]

Thanks ✅

[high birch]

cool

[bleak oar]

Should have used Bing

[trim seal]

Bing

[umbral spear]

That's POWERFUL.

Does that mean we can add custom ruins to vanilla trail ruins?

[robust current]

Yeah.

[umbral spear]

Wonder if villages will soon be data-driven...

[robust current]

No. They use the legacy system.

[umbral spear]

Shoot. Worth asking tho, I've always wanted to add new buildings to vanilla villages.

[grim fjord]

.

what's the format version for this ?

[robust current]

Always use the latest, which is the same as the game version. 1.21.50.

[grim fjord]

ty again

[lean forum]

Does bing offer more accurate results regarding MS docs?

[serene mural]

Not sure if someone jumped in yet, but we're taking this bug on. Should be a fix in U6. 🙂

[bleak oar]

Maybe! 😛

[bleak oar]

(the joke is that nobody uses Bing compared to Google, but it's funny when Microsoft employees suggest it)

[gray tusk]

It’s funnier when Microsoft employees suggest chrome in that one video

[manic crown]

I unironically use Bing

[bleak oar]

I actually also use Bing

[manic crown]

Bing Buds!

[lean forum]

So I just downloaded bing for no reason

[bleak oar]

I also use Edge. Since it switched chromium as the renderer, it's been perfect.

[shut owl]

...

[bleak oar]

oof - tough crowd

[manic crown]

Oh uh- uh, I use you on Android 😅

[slim comet]

Omg same

I love edge so much 🥰

[robust current]

Do estimate this component to be held back from being released to stable until this bug is fixed?

[queen glade]

I use bing on my work browser (which is edge) unless I realy want to google something.
Plus bing points!

[gray tusk]

do we still use msn nowadays

[distant night]

FIREFOX GANG, UNITE!

[trim seal]

Idk I just like chrome too much

[lean forum]

Chrome is top tier in sucking up performance

(I use chrome, I can vouch)

[trim seal]

Not anymore. They have gotten much better

[lean forum]

Chrome on mobile doesn't even have extension support

[trim seal]

My ram utilization is way lower with chrome that it has been with any other browser

[lean forum]

I can't use my ad block 😔

[neat raptor]

🦊

💪

[spring meadow]

Brave?

[lean forum]

Dude I get notifications ads when I use it

[spring meadow]

I don't

I disabled them

[hardy hill]

I use that one minecraft mod as my browser

[lean forum]

#off-topic message

When you open up the browser and scroll AD

I was sleeping once while playing like water noises

Ad which vibrates my phone

[umbral jetty]

Never allow websites push notifications!

[lean forum]

No it's from the browser itself

[frank monolith]

funny enough while my phone bootloop'd, had to reinstall everything

when I reinstalled brave, there's actually no ads.

[neat kayak]

I would switch if it wouldn't suck on Mobile though 😬

[gentle tide]

I've heard that it also has functional extensions, having ublock on mobile would've been great

[blissful orchid]

yeah
not sure how good is it but there is yandex too

[high birch]

Hey, i am too lite to say this but i am also Bing user and i kinda enjoy that i am able to found my github repos there, as google ignores them bc they are not visited that much

[umbral jetty]

I use edge because i can access google translator in 1 click🫠

[high birch]

ups

i dont even have chrome installed

ohh sorry for ping

[neat raptor]

gotta load up minecraft just to browse the internet

unless you live in minecraft, there's no other way

[serene mural]

I don’t think so.

[robust current]

Nice!

[bright plank]

OUR PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED

JIGGGGGGGSAWWWWWWWWW BLOCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

now minecraft just needs to add custom potion effects and i will be happy 👀

[robust current]

Scripting...

https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1166431261309534208 feedback post fyi.

[crimson robin]

Firefox is the best!!!

[torpid cosmos]

This comment was sponsored by Opera gx

!!!

[muted garden]

Last I checked, ad-blockers dont work on opera-gx. And firefox isnt spyware

[torpid cosmos]

Yesterday opera announced that unblock origin will soon work on it

[muted garden]

It still works on firefox lol

[noble turret]

y does my world keeps crashing when im near the structure

r there limits to the size of structure itself?

i think i everything setted up correctly, processor, template pool, etc. and when joining the world, i also dont get any errors

any ideas?

[noble turret]

okey, i figured out y it was crashing, bcs of one specific block lol

[noble turret]

i have a confirmed bug! structures that have blocks with minecraft:tick component crash the the game when the structure is generated with /place structure command, or, when u find the structure and get close to it

[tough cosmos]

That's pretty sucky.
@noble turret you should report this on MoJira, along with attaching an example Ad-On that has the problem.
https://bugs.mojang.com/projects/MCPE/summary

[slender isle]

Also a bug where Jigsaws crashes the game when you enter the nether.

[noble turret]

okey, i'll try do that today if i'll have time

[noble turret]

and this one too

[slender isle]

Yea, and their generation in the end is also bugged.

But I don't mind, because Jigsaw!

[gray tusk]

aren't they bugged in the overworld anyway

[slender isle]

Yea. I already made a bug report.

[noble turret]

guys, so i was just looking through the structures of trial chamber, and in the jigsaw block, i found this compund tag, called components, and the component is minecraft:lore. im just saying, but it would be reeeealyy cool if mojang added minecraft:lore component for blocks and items!

[gray tusk]

you can set lore in items via script api...?

[noble turret]

well yea, but it wouldn't quite work if, for example, u take the item from the creative inventory, like, for example, from music disc tab, and the lore would appear only when item gets in the inventory

and u have to make some kind of event to add the lore

but here, with the component, lore will just be there

its just my opinion😔

[pliant edge]

That would be nice. I would like more ways to add lore too, Creative is a good edge case

[slender isle]

#1276618549514735728 message

[noble turret]

yay, finally the glow lichen bug can generate in custom dungeon!!🤩

[high birch]

Does anyone knows how could i clear this cached data???

i mean there is no way to clear them all

[gray tusk]

try clearing localcache folder

[high birch]

whats folder is that?

[gray tusk]

it's located in the same folder as localstate (microsoft.minecraft etc one)

[high birch]

i will try to remove some of them

[compact dove]

How do you connect one piece of the structure to another piece? I tried but I really can't do it, it only generates one piece and the other is not generated.

[noble turret]

i didnt connect any pieces

its a one whole giat dungeon lol

[noble turret]

but im still learning how to do that

[slender isle]

You should split it up into segments

It's better that way

[compact dove]

like this?

[slender isle]

What do you mean, exactly?

[noble turret]

im qiute lazy to do that since ive been already re-doing this whole dungeon dozens of times bcs of some small mistakes

but i may do it in the future

[slender isle]

It's easy, really.

[noble turret]

i know, but i just dont want to rn

[compact dove]

I have a very large structure, so I divided it into 2 different pieces, and I'm trying to join the two pieces together using the jigsaw, but I'm not able to.

[noble turret]

and yet, i have plenty of time before jigsaw comes to stable

[slender isle]

The first jigsaw must have a valid template pool and a target name of the other jigsaw you want to connect to.

It's also based on the max_depth, which is the size of the jigsaw structure, or how much it'll be or something.

It's best to check out the guide in the pins

[noble turret]

btw, can i load a structure with jigsaw that contains entity?

[slender isle]

Yes, you can!

[noble turret]

bcs if i just leave an entity in the dungeon and dungeon generates, for some reason, tons of same entities spawn

[slender isle]

I tested this, and it works, but it'll sometimes duplicate the entity a few times.

It's a bug as far as I know.

[noble turret]

mh, okey

then i'll leave the entities for now, im sure they'll fix it

or actually, i need some entites to be randomized in some spots... i'll come up with something for this

[robust current]

Just use jigsaws.

[slender isle]

^

I was about say that

[robust current]

That's literally what this whole system is for.

[slender isle]

You can have 5 diff entities in their own jigsaw structure, and have a jigsaw on one room place one of these 5 entity jigsaws.

[noble turret]

and that's what i was going to say, i added the jigsaw to my structure, for entity spawning, but the entity wasn't spawning

maybe i did something wrong.. im gonna check rn

[robust current]

You must've set it up wrong for now.

No worries, it is a new system so there's bound to be plenty of mistakes people make.

[slender isle]

me who came from Java's jigsaws

[robust current]

Cool 👍

[noble turret]

im super excited that we can now make proper archeology structures

i have quite some of them, and rn, they use the the sus sand and gravel block placers, gonna change that

[noble turret]

yay! fixed it =]

[compact dove]

unsuccessfully

I really didn't understand

tagert is correct in both

is it necessary to have a "template_pool" for both?

if so, I created for both, and still, only chunk 1 generated

My idea was just to connect both structures to each other to become just one structure

[slender isle]

I can help you in a bit, but maybe a post in #1067869232395735130?

[dreamy hollow]

/structure cant place vanilla structures

/place structure can to a point

/structure is an amazing thing, ppl dont realize what it can actually do

.mcstructure allows you to see more when using nbtstudio than .nbt does

[sage jacinth]

I know right?

[sage jacinth]

hmm thats interesting

[noble turret]

what amazing things it can do, i just dont know🥲

[dreamy hollow]

structure loading animations

[noble turret]

ah, right

[dreamy hollow]

its actually significantly less laggy to load a structure using animations than it is to load the entire structure at once

[noble turret]

ye, fair enough

[robust current]

MS Docs updated to include what each terrain adaptation does.

[manic crown]

Excellent

Although it now has to explain what "ambient block density" is. I can take a guess, but best to be explicit about it

[robust current]

Ok so, currently, vanilla structures map icons live in this path. If I had to guess, this is where it will likely live if we ever get the ability to add our own. I've tried just adding a png to the file path with the structure id as the name and having a folder as the namespace then putting the png there. No luck, I thought it would automatically register unless I also have to put it in the textures_list json.

Adding to the textures_list.json did nothing.

[somber coral]

I mean… I don't think this functionality is up yet. I can ask Anjelika, I guess, to see if they want to support this before it moves to stable.

[robust current]

Oh interesting...the map data value is 6 for my custom structure...but you can't do /give.

I tested this by putting a Trial Chamber and my map into a chest, exported it and checked the NBT data. Interesting.

[twin ledge]

you can't /give structure maps?

i meant explorer maps

[robust current]

Let me rephrase, I can /give vanilla structures but not custom ones.

[twin ledge]

oh

sadge

so you can only get them from loot table or /loot

[robust current]

Correct!

[twin ledge]

i see

atleast it's accessible through commands

so technically we can setup a loot table that gives the map 100% of the time

an alternative to /give i suppose

[robust current]

Glad to see item's icon has higher priority than block's item visuals.

[twin ledge]

makes sense

[robust current]

Anyone made a bug report where custom block models don't render in Bundle UI?

[twin ledge]

oh they don't?

[twin ledge]

they do for me

[robust current]

Pics?

Oh...thanks to SiSilicon in #1067535608660107284 , but with mobile now having pick block...could we eventually get a pick block listener?

[robust current]

So it may just be models with item_display_tranforms then.

[twin ledge]

The right one has that

The right one does has some item_display_transforms stuff

[robust current]

Could you add:
"fit_to_frame": false for the GUI in the item_display_transforms?

[twin ledge]

I haven't set that parameter

So if whatever is the default

[robust current]

Hence why I'm asking if you can add that.

Something I don't get with liquid_detection is why detection_rules is an array rather an object? But at the same time I can see it as future proofing custom liquids if/when we get them.

[twin ledge]

The left one is set to false and the right one to true

[robust current]

Could you add:

"scale": [
1.625,
1.625,
1.625
],                    

To gui?

It may be that it just can't render that then.

[twin ledge]

Aight

[twin ledge]

Still works, and the right one has fit_to_frame set to true

[twin ledge]

Btw I have some custom 1x1 paintings and they don't render as intended, only the top left corner of the paintings appear in gui

[robust current]

Cobwebs now obey 'blockshape' and 'textures' properties set in blocks.json
Requires the "Upcoming Creator Features" toggle
Oh I just noticed this in the changelog.

[twin ledge]

Oh

[manic crown]

Why does it require UCF??

[robust current]

Inb4 cobwebs are the first block to get their own client json file.

[manic crown]

Well that explains the weirdness

[manic crown]

Do we have the file for it?

[robust current]

No. I'm just making an assumption. We saw that they will do one thing first before porting the whole set to a new system(client biome). With cobwebs, it's just a wild theory based on Mojangsters opinions on a block.json.

[robust current]

Nice! We can use any vanilla .nbt it seems.

[turbid ruin]

Sweet sweet system

[robust current]

Oh unfortunate, you can't just load a java nbt.

[placid tinsel]

Wait really? Just with /place or more setup needed? Those files are full of java-specific blockstates and stuff, and are actually compressed unlike mcstructures

[spare island]

Java nbts are usually gzipped, maybe that has something to do with it?

[robust current]

Not with /place directly, what I did was set up a basic jigsaw structure and set the start pool to a file path from vanilla.

Unless, it isn't actually loading the .nbt from the windows app folder but an internal converted .mcstructure?

Ffs, why is it endcity and not end_city.

Got the ship to load.

[somber coral]

@robust current, I'm definitely thinking about a feedback post for jigsaws. I'd come across a number of issues with them. Not just bugs, either… sometimes more what I would call "oversights".

I'm thinking of making a post on #1072983602821861426 for such… or did you have something else in mind?

[robust current]

I take it this is from #moderation message if so I thought it be fitting to utilize #1019665690233405500 or #1067869232395735130 .

[somber coral]

Kayla's historically used the relevant channels before for different posts, but they'd always get buried quickly.

Thinking about it more, I'd say our current channel infrastructure isn't set up for something like this. We may need somewhere new.

[robust current]

If only multiple pinned posts were allowed, but we have historically just pinned the forum post in the general channel of the channel.

[somber coral]

Like… I'm not wanting to remove general channel pins or anything like that, and there may be a time where there are multiple systems that could use feedback and act as central spaces for community learning here.

One of the other biggest problems is that not all feedback is useful. Some people are just generally uninformed, even if well intentioned. We wouldn't want the gold buried under the dirt.

But playing gatekeeper to any such feedback system could be complicated.

IDK, think about it over the weekend.

[desert dirge]

Maybe something like the Q&A, in which feedback is selected based on quality. That could be hard to judge though, and could lead to some bias being involved.

[somber coral]

In the meantime, I went all-out for some initial notes and concerns. Y'all check it out: https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1302413668222369822.

[surreal hinge]

long shot but does is come with the spawn proof property of the ancient city?

[surreal hinge]

and, if you somehow manage to place legacy structures like the which hut, can you test if whiches spawn in there?

[neat kayak]

One way to find out: try

[robust current]

Witch huts are not jigsaws.

[robust current]

No, this is just a structure nbt. An nbt doesn't come with special properties.

[neat kayak]

They have changed how structure spawning works, so who knows

[robust current]

Thats likely related to the JSON itself. I very much doubt thay the mbt has a dont spawn. Last i checked anyways.

[neat kayak]

I was replying to the witch hut question

The spawn proof property of structures is hardcoded

[robust current]

😤 SMH use the reply feature.

[neat kayak]

I'm lazy

[robust current]

Im hope next time you build a farm you forget to remove the torches.

[twin ledge]

What if it's a wheat farm

[glossy solar]

Is this still working? Where you have custom geometry rendering in a bundle? If so could you please send me your geo/block files? I am curious 👀

[twin ledge]

Sure just give me a min

[twin ledge]

Here, I have made it into a separate addon

[twin ledge]

I just found that the block models break on this gui

The one in the hotbar is broken

But the block models do work on this gui

[glossy solar]

Interesting. I'll take note of this. Thank you! 😄

[lean forum]

Put a bundle in a bundle in a bundle in a bundle in a bundle in a bundle with a bundle with a bundle adding another bundle adding another bundle in concatenation of another bundle in concatenation of another bundle in concatenation of another bundle

[sage jacinth]

Mojang solved incorrect trapdoor rotation on structures?

or not yet?

[dreamy hollow]

make it underground and forget to place em

[dreamy hollow]

they keep fixing it and the fix never works

[sage jacinth]

bruh

[neat raptor]

lol

[slender isle]

Nah

[somber coral]

https://discord.gg/pW9jQuDF?event=1303443372677267547

[robust current]

Wait...can jigsaws mean structure loot in chest is now easier(or will be) than having to NBT edit?

[somber coral]

Yes, just use processor lists.

[slender isle]

This is what I love

[robust current]

Do we have that processor right now? Because last I checked it was only the archy sus blocks.

[somber coral]

We do have that.

[robust current]

Time to update the wiki.

[robust current]

Why must you include .json is beyond me.

[robust current]

They updated the changelog FYI.

[neat kayak]

They didn't add Ctrl+Pick Block yet

[manic crown]

Maybe when phone manufacturers start building their phones with Ctrl keys

[lean forum]

I can just imagine a small iPhone with like a 1 inch crtl key attached to it via a wire

[dreamy hollow]

why? cuz ppl are stupid

[compact dove]

minecraft:item_visual don't work?

[robust current]

It does.

[compact dove]

I tried adding it to a block to test, but I got log errors

and yes the experiment is activated

[neat raptor]

would be nice to know what the log errors are

[compact dove]

23:05:37[Blocks][error]-block_definitions | /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.mojang.mine1215026/files/games/com.mojang/behavior_packs/Mythologic | blocks/petrified_player_legs.json | /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.mojang.mine1215026/files/games/com.mojang/behavior_packs/Mythologic | blocks/petrified_player_legs.json | mc:petrified_player | components |  -> components -> minecraft:item_visual -> geometry:  missing required field

23:05:37[Blocks][error]-block_definitions | /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.mojang.mine1215026/files/games/com.mojang/behavior_packs/Mythologic | blocks/petrified_player_legs.json | /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.mojang.mine1215026/files/games/com.mojang/behavior_packs/Mythologic | blocks/petrified_player_legs.json | mc:petrified_player | components |  -> components -> minecraft:item_visual -> material_instances:  missing required field

23:05:37[Blocks][error]-block_definitions | /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.mojang.mine1215026/files/games/com.mojang/behavior_packs/Mythologic | blocks/petrified_player_legs.json | Unexpected version for the loaded data

[robust current]

Show your code?

[compact dove]

{
  "format_version": "1.21.50",
  "minecraft:block": {
    "description": {
      "identifier": "mc:petrified_player",
      "menu_category": {
                "category": "nature",
                "group": "nature"
            },
            "traits": {
        "minecraft:placement_direction": {
          "enabled_states": [ "minecraft:cardinal_direction" ],
          "y_rotation_offset": 180
        }
            }
    },
    "components": {
        "tag:mc_blocks": {},
        "minecraft:custom_components": [
                "mc:test"
            ],
            "minecraft:liquid_detection":{
                "detection_rules":[
                {
                    "can_contain_liquid": true,
                    "liquid_type": "water",
                    "on_liquid_touches": "popped",
                    "stops_liquid_flowing_out_from_direction":[
                    "north",
                    "west",
                    "south",
                    "east",
                    "up",
                    "down"
                    ]
                    }
                    ]
                    },
                    "minecraft:item_visual": {
                        "minecraft:geometry": {
        "identifier": "geometry.mc_petrified_player_visual"
      },
      "minecraft:material_instances": {
        "*": {
          "texture": "mc_petrified_player",
          "render_method": "alpha_test"
        }
        }
        },
      "minecraft:material_instances": {
        "*": {
          "texture": "mc_petrified_player",
          "render_method": "alpha_test",
          "ambient_occlusion": true,
                    "face_dimming": true
        }
      },
      
      "minecraft:geometry": {
        "identifier": "geometry.mc_petrified_player_legs"
      },
      
      "minecraft:placement_filter": {
          "conditions":[{
                        "allowed_faces": ["up"]
                        }]
            },

[robust current]

Theres no minecraft namespace. Check the pins for an example.

[somber coral]

Here's a first pass of documentation on structure sets: https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Ciosciaa/2e3b9208f6be0a1dde643530a9a0dc9e/raw/53412836cfc512c269f37c39e4dd23d827ec53fd/structure-set-definitions.html

[compact dove]

One question, does the geometry need to follow the block geometry limitations?

[robust current]

Yes.

[robust current]

Guessing the dead links arent public yet?

[somber coral]

Nope!

[robust current]

And im guessing the formatting is from obsidian?

[somber coral]

Some of it

[robust current]

Makes sense:
^format version
And
![warning]

[compact dove]

I thought not because it is just the icon and not the block itself

[compact dove]

Maybe

[severe glacier]

oops wrong channel

[manic crown]

Preview tomorrow. Can't wait to see what will come

[spring meadow]

Same here!

[raven rune]

waiter waiter! more jigsaw puzzles please

[shell moat]

What is culling

[robust current]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/reference/content/blockreference/examples/definitions/blockculling?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[shell moat]

Ok thanks

[real goblet]

Skbd toilet

[compact dove]

minecraft:item_visual can it be used to change the format that the icon is loaded in? for example icon rotation alignment or something like that?

[glossy solar]

What exactly do you mean by rotation alignment? If I understand you correctly, you could modify the geometry file to change your rotation of whatever block you want to render as an icon.

Basically anything you can do with geometry and materials_instances components today you can do with item_visuals.

[compact dove]

So to sum up with this I can use a geometry separate from the block geometry to use as an icon?

[glossy solar]

Yup 😊

[compact dove]

It's sad that we can't put geometries above the size of normal blocks, as it would be interesting to create an icon of a large block, for example a statue of 2 blocks.

I remember asking and Smokey saying it's not possible

[glossy solar]

Yeah there is nothing special about the geometry for item_visuals. Anything you can do with blocks you can do for icons. Meaning no large geos for icons. Theoretically you could scale down the geo compared to a regular block since you'll only see it as an icon.

[compact dove]

and does this support the item_display_transforms component that was added a while back for geometries?

[glossy solar]

I'll have to check, but it should

[compact dove]

Oh yea

[steel lynx]

How come we couldn't get item visuals compontent for attachables and items 😦 it wld be so cool

[grim fjord]

Am I the only one who's having an issue with the latelest preview?

when i turn on beta API my game just crashes

[robust current]

#1308835656503656509 ?

[grim fjord]

Yes

[grim fjord]

nv my game just upadated again to the same version and now it works

weird

[grim fjord]

bug?

this also happens without rtx

[robust current]

Im gonna assume you meant to post this in #1308835656503656509 because this preview is 3 weeks old now

[grim fjord]

mb

[past temple]

Hmmm liquid detection