MC Live 2024

[lament bluff]

but how many people will get to that specific position?

[vernal stream]

these are quite small coordinates
for a world of several million blocks in size

[onyx pewter]

This happended to me in preview

[lament bluff]

why are you comparing that with several million blocks sized world

[onyx pewter]

And it's in stable

[lament bluff]

we are players, walking around, starting from 0,0,0

[onyx pewter]

Can you stop joking please ?

[lament bluff]

im not joking

this entire argument isnt funny either

[glossy hull]

Seriously, if you need to travel that far to find something you picked the wrong seed! Lol

[calm mulch]

literally.

[lament bluff]

youre replying to the message thats pointing to nothing again

i dont like your attitude

[glossy hull]

Nor do I

[calm mulch]

everytime I play survival I don't have the urge to go beyond 50k cords to find something

[onyx pewter]

On a long hardcore letsplay it could happen

[calm mulch]

not even 100 days youtubers stuff would go beyond that tbh

[lament bluff]

maybe, some dedicated hardcore players would go really, really far

but

the bug is about an issue in a very specific location

[onyx pewter]

Yes and their world could be deleted yessss

[vernal stream]

seriously
60k blocks not that much
addon developers could put some dimensions there since there are no other alternatives

but they can't

a really big territory is being lost

[onyx pewter]

Yes however the trident bug that agentmindstorm showed can happens everwhere

[lament bluff]

how about this, they just avoid putting that in specific location

[onyx pewter]

The endermen boat desync too

[glossy hull]

Well good thing there’s a bug report then, go upvote it and make a campaign to ask others to do the same. Otherwise you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing

[onyx pewter]

It's "won't fix" 😭

[vernal stream]

really loses a lot of space

[lament bluff]

instead of x65536 z65535, they would put it at x66536 z65535

[onyx pewter]

Do you really like the game guys ?

[lament bluff]

yeah I like the game

[calm mulch]

Yes rally like this game

[lament bluff]

i cant hate it because of the bugs that did not happen to me ever

[glossy hull]

Go look up the drowned spawning in dripstone caves, that bug got solved after years of being open, only took a small campaign of getting people to upvote 🤷‍♂️

[onyx pewter]

Do you like seeing people that hate the game because of bugs ?

[lament bluff]

theyre the one whos hating it

[obsidian pier]

Everyone agrees that if this happened to a hardcore player it'd suck, but at the end of day bug fixes != profits.
They don't have a reason to dedicate time and resources to fix bugs that most player will never experience, hence "Won't fix".

[onyx pewter]

Yes let's wait years and thousand of hardcore playthrought ruines

[simple cedar]

it is kinda funny that people who are pointing to the random damage bug are mostly java players.
fundy and phoenix sc as example, taking all the videos that encounter the bug (mostly console player due to lag) and calling it the norm is just too stupid

[vernal stream]

the infinity of the world is lost
It would be okay if there was some kind of barrier, but the player can easily go there

[lament bluff]

let me ask you something, do you think the players would deliberately go to that location to lose their world?

[glossy hull]

I heard about it, made a video and a week later it was patched, all in less than 2 weeks, you’re not helping your case

[onyx pewter]

The fact that it can happens IS the problem

[lament bluff]

now we are back to the beginning

ffs

[vernal stream]

in java the player can easily pass 30 million coordinates and will be stopped by a barrier

[glossy hull]

The fact that you expect perfection on a continuously evolving game is what’s crazy

[calm mulch]

i wouldn't even complain if I'm playing the "old" world type, aka Pocket edition's legacy world or 512x512 world.

[onyx pewter]

The fact that you don't have standards is what is cray

[glossy hull]

What are you doing even talking about?!

[lament bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-professionals-have-standards-drive-gif-15105282

[vernal stream]

in bedrock, not only is the space for normal play limited to several thousands of blocks, but there is also no barrier to prevent being behind the barrier

[lament bluff]

ok have you experienced it

did your potentials get limited because of that bug, and have you thought out of workarounds instead of talking about a situation that will probably never happen in normal gameplay?

[vernal stream]

this is not an argument
one day the script accidentally teleported me to coordinates where it was impossible to walk
It's outrageous that something like this could happen at all

[onyx pewter]

Go on reddit and listen people who experience these type of bugs

[lament bluff]

sounds like you teleported a bit too far

[lament bluff]

reddit
yikes

[onyx pewter]

Even if you never been agressed you, it's a problem and you have to listen victims

If you want an extreme irl comparaison

[vernal stream]

what's the difference in this
it's just that in a normal game I would have died from a bug a little earlier

[lament bluff]

its not relevant with the bug we are talking about, its just your performance issue

[lament bluff]

ive never said i dont agree with fixing bugs

im saying i dont see the point

[vernal stream]

how?
such territories really exist and it is really possible to get into them in a normal game, since they are not limited by any barrier

[lament bluff]

where did the script teleport you to?

[onyx pewter]

Wanting the game to be better ?

[vernal stream]

several million coordinates

[lament bluff]

exactly

you see the issue now

[glossy hull]

The game gets better, continuously… after 15 years and only one payment…

[lament bluff]

i also never said i dont want the game to be better

[onyx pewter]

So don't excuse big bugs like that with good faith, not like average Reddit user

[lament bluff]

why do you keep saying its a big bug

[calm mulch]

honestly i think this is getting quite overreacted at some point. the game will eventually get better, not like it would be discontinued or something.

[lament bluff]

practically no one here ever experienced it???

[calm mulch]

it's not like this "bug" will burn your house down.

[onyx pewter]

A bug that can delete your hardcore bug for me is big

A visual bug that happen everytime is big

[lament bluff]

how about this, accept the fate and dont go to that location in particular

[glossy hull]

A bug you’re aware of and could avoid easily?

[calm mulch]

also bedrock can copy the worlds in game so, do that. maybe?

[lament bluff]

if you think your death was bs, no one is stopping you from reviving

[calm mulch]

yeah exactly.

[onyx pewter]

Yeah or also just play fornite

[whole scroll]

Bruh

[glossy hull]

Please do ✌️

[calm mulch]

so we just went from complaining about the "won't fix" bug to "just play fortnite"?

yeah go ahead no ones stopping you

[onyx pewter]

Yeah so for having no risk I should not use tridents too ?

I should not eat in a dangerous place ?

[vernal stream]

if the player can get to coordinates where he can suddenly fall into a chunk and he is not limited by some barrier, then the bug is significant

[onyx pewter]

Don't be a golem please

[whole scroll]

copying worlds?

Who uses that?

[calm mulch]

me maybe?

[lament bluff]

me

[calm mulch]

"backup" is the reason.

[onyx pewter]

Imagine if a backup become a necessity for a casual player, just imagine

[whole scroll]

i've never copied my survival world

[vernal stream]

the game has not passed the test
only at 60000 the player can fall into a chunk
in java the player can easily pass the barrier at 3000000 blocks

[lament bluff]

its called backup for a reason

[simple cedar]

casual player never experience such a bug

[lament bluff]

no one really stops you

[onyx pewter]

Go on reddit and see

People who simply play survival

And die

[lament bluff]

yeah reddit

[whole scroll]

but error exists

[simple cedar]

reddit is the average player now or what?

[calm mulch]

I don't, but usually when it comes to add-ons.

[vernal stream]

this limits the possible territory
it's also sad for addon creators because such a loss is quite significant

[lament bluff]

PC and cross platform

[whole scroll]

is that different

[onyx pewter]

I know there are fakes and old patched bugs on reddit but there are still too much gamebreaking bugs like that and given the speed of mojang to patch bedrock bugs, the hardcore will not be ready

[glossy hull]

K but if you want to make an impact, make a campaign to ask people to upvote the the bug reports, it’s literally that simple, if you’re just hear to complain in the hopes that Mojang will read this and somehow think anything other than “bunch of cry babies” you need to give your head a shake.

[vernal stream]

not a argument
the advantages of bedrock do not cancel out its huge disadvantages

[lament bluff]

any code wouldnt like jumping from a small number to huge number

[calm mulch]

so what, me creator can't just backup anything?

[lament bluff]

even java wouldnt

[onyx pewter]

I think this is Fake

[lament bluff]

(it isnt)

[onyx pewter]

Bruh

https://x.com/agentms_/status/1840236962159976782?t=dJZVghItpBrr1t_Knu2lAg&s=19

AgentMindStorm (@agentms_) on X

The fact that Mojang is adding Hardcore to Bedrock in this state is WILDLY irresponsible. Here is a bug I can consistently reproduce on 1.21.40.23, the latest preview, and basically what is going to release with Hardcore.

Random fall damage trident desync:

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 3:47 AM

[lament bluff]

can you like

[onyx pewter]

This however is 100% real

[lament bluff]

post something new

also thats preview

[calm mulch]

this argument is getting boring, time to play mindustry

[onyx pewter]

Happen in stable too

[whole scroll]

Regular player ≠ addon creator

[lament bluff]

what

[lament bluff]

i do hope that one was a j

[glossy hull]

Apparently you need to be a dev to back up your files 👌

[lament bluff]

do me a favor and record it

[glossy hull]

😆

[calm mulch]

what are you even talking about "regular player ≠ addon creator"

i can't even create a world filled with command blocks?

[vernal stream]

sudden death errors at such small coordinates should not exist

[calm mulch]

yeah this is dystopian.

[onyx pewter]

Bruh now I have to proove everything ? While this issue is known and problematic ?
Are you someone who don't believe in évolution ?

[whole scroll]

i'm saying they're not usually made by regular players who just play in their survival world

[lament bluff]

i do believe in evolution, thank you very much

but i also wouldnt be mad at someone who doesnt believe in evolution

[glossy hull]

Nor are photos backed up by most people, doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t

[onyx pewter]

Are you américan ?

[lament bluff]

South Korean

i dont know how american is related with this

[whole scroll]

Did I say they shouldn't do that?

[tacit dove]

I love how the hardcore mode development team announced it, then made 1 bug fixes and created some cool looking ui for it and said. “Lets make it officially in the next update”

[vernal stream]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-smile-troll-face-trollge-stop-we-do-a-little-gif-11708995610297493733

[onyx pewter]

Excusing conspirationism

[whole scroll]

I'm saying the fact that a lot of regular players don't do that.

[calm mulch]

is that even a word

[onyx pewter]

And it's true

[vernal stream]

just as many do not go to such coordinates)))))))))))

[lament bluff]

yeah they dont

like seriously

they really dont

[whole scroll]

i've been to 150k coordinates where the problems are already starting

[vernal stream]

this is not an argument
the bug is not covered by anything
the player can test it in survival

[calm mulch]

someone's close this chat please

[onyx pewter]

And also it's not the only gamebreaking bug

[lament bluff]

im gonna get a glass of water

[vernal stream]

these are not even million coordinates
problems start earlier

[lament bluff]

this is unbearable

[whole scroll]

Yes

already at 100k coordinates

[glossy hull]

Yeah seriously, this has nothing to do with the live event and is just embarrassing in my opinion, the debate is valid no arguing that, but this is not the place for it

[lament bluff]

if you mathematically prove that the bug about players being stuck in a specific location is very problematic, ill take your words

[onyx pewter]

The link is about hardcore and the fact that bedrock isn't ready because bugs patching have been neglected since years and given how the actual speed of bug patching is slow

[lament bluff]

if not, i would really love it if this entire argument stops

[glossy hull]

No this chat is made for the live event 🤦‍♂️

[vernal stream]

yes, if it is not covered by anything
there is no barrier at 60,000

[calm mulch]

mods, break them bones

[vernal stream]

the player can enter the territory with bugs

[lament bluff]

i dont know if you understood the bug at all, the bug is about very specific location and not the place beyond that range

[onyx pewter]

We don't speak only about this bug

[lament bluff]

i would love to focus on this bug first

[vernal stream]

yes

[onyx pewter]

And also do you want to see a viral video of a shitty java youtuber "My world have been deleted by a classic bedrock bug, bugrock sucks" ?

Personnaly no

[lament bluff]

thats pointing to nothing

[vernal stream]

at 100000 there are already bugs that are not tied to a specific location

[lament bluff]

because thats how software is

[onyx pewter]

There are Always solutions

[lament bluff]

in fact, why would anyone go beyond 100k blocks

[onyx pewter]

Adventure ?

With nether portal idk

[vernal stream]

at the very least this area would be useful for addon creators precisely because of its distance from spawn

[lament bluff]

any sane addon creators would think they shouldnt go beyond 100k for the sake of performance

[onyx pewter]

Are you one of the active mobiles players on the bug tracker ?

[lament bluff]

You can fall through the world at x:65536 z:65535 by slowly walking against blocks.
thats what the bug report said

we are all aware of that bug

[glossy hull]

See this is what frustrates me, you say Mojang doesn’t listen to their feedback but no one bothers to post there, theres 2 comments on the last preview update, go take this debate there if you want Mojang to read it

[whole scroll]

my version is quite old

[lament bluff]

the bug report version starts from 1.16.220.50 beta

[onyx pewter]

Idk I complained about a block removed in the creative inventory because java parity and it's still removed

[lament bluff]

actually no thats the latest one

[vernal stream]

bugs with distant coordination are quite old
the most significant of them were not corrected

[glossy hull]

Well before you complain understand that you’re not always going to get your way, when you have realistic expectations it’s amazing how things change

[whole scroll]

Mojang sucks

[glossy hull]

Then why are you here!!

[onyx pewter]

No mojang don't care about bedrock and their bedrock players

[lament bluff]

how many people have complained about it

[onyx pewter]

Many people complained about the Map change or golden apple parity

[lament bluff]

i

[onyx pewter]

However mojang didn't listen

[lament bluff]

ASKED you about the block removal

not the map change or golden apple

[onyx pewter]

The all sided mushroom block was cool and I used it in my chill creative world

So only me because no other people on the feedback care enough about the parity

They care only on the java channel

[glossy hull]

The map stuff caused massive lag issues when used to a large extent, the apple change was for parity, who cares if we don’t like it, they made the call to bring parity to something we’re not going to change that through complaints. Expecting them too is just silly

[lament bluff]

and i also asked you how many people were complaining about it

and not your opinion

[onyx pewter]

Oh cool, however these last previews even without that are poorly optimized @glossy hull

[calm mulch]

ok chief i just got there and nothing happens, what now lmao

i did walk around 20k manually while reading this stupid argument

and guess what, didn't even fall.

[lament bluff]

x:65536 z:65535

is the location
youre on 200k

[onyx pewter]

You need to be well positioned

[glossy hull]

Sounds like a dangerous bug

[onyx pewter]

Can happen = problem

[onyx pewter]

I want your response

[lament bluff]

i also want your response because it wasnt clear enough

[glossy hull]

Complaining this much about this small of a chance though? That’s justified in your mind?

[onyx pewter]

Ok so what about the trident thing ?

[onyx pewter]

I already said

[lament bluff]

so only you?

[glossy hull]

Ok again changes the subject anytime you’re presented with a valid counter argument, you’re a gen Z arent you?

[onyx pewter]

Yeah

[lament bluff]

do you feel something now

[onyx pewter]

Don't know what are generations

[glossy hull]

So yes

[lament bluff]

people dont feel the same, whether its a bug or a feature removal
and yet youre bringing up as an argument

bugs are harmful yes, but

do you really have to trip over something that didnt happen to majority of people

[glossy hull]

And in a place where it couldn’t matter less to boot! Lol

[onyx pewter]

We speak about hardcore

[glossy hull]

Time and a place…

[onyx pewter]

Not a random survival with keepinventory

[lament bluff]

arent hardcore players also players too

its not like bugs are concentrated on hardcore players

[calm mulch]

yeah doesn't work lmao ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lament bluff]

thank you

[onyx pewter]

So for you a bug that can destroy you save isn't a Big issue ?

[calm mulch]

i didn't fall into the block or anything.

[glossy hull]

Almost like they patch bugs that get identified… so strange

[onyx pewter]

You need to be well positioned

[lament bluff]

yeah if you really know well about the bug

[calm mulch]

im well positioned.

[lament bluff]

i really want you to test it

since youre saying like youve experienced it in your hardcore world

[onyx pewter]

No but it's really precise in my memories

[calm mulch]

i literally MANUALLY put the cord pos myself and didn't work

so i don't know

[lament bluff]

then do test it by your own

[onyx pewter]

Do you know the expression, prevention is better than cure?

[calm mulch]

well if this is something that incredibly tedious just to get one bug

[lament bluff]

i want you to record the video of the bug

[calm mulch]

honestly, im kinda understand with "wont fix" bug

[onyx pewter]

Too lazy

[lament bluff]

then gtfo then, im tired

[glossy hull]

Here’s the process for you @onyx pewter , make a video showing the evidence and add that to the bug report. That’s how you make the impact you’re trying to make and it doesn’t involve pointless complaining, which seems to be all you actually want to do so…

[onyx pewter]

I don't Want to record a bug already reported

[onyx pewter]

Watch antvenom video about golden apple in void

[lament bluff]

Jesus

Chrsit

im out, no more

[vernal stream]

at 400000 the camera will start shaking

[calm mulch]

that's too old tbh

[glossy hull]

Again, either repeat it yourself and post it in the comments or go away and get over it

[onyx pewter]

No

[vernal stream]

this remains unchanged since the advent of the infinite world

[onyx pewter]

Also there are lots of others gamebreaking bugs too

[calm mulch]

3 years ago isn't old? and also didn't ant just go through the floor?

that didn't happen to me

[lament bluff]

as expected, this entire thing has restarted yet again

its a damn circus

[onyx pewter]

I know you like only focus on one bug because you know that I'm right

[calm mulch]

yeah I'm out.

[glossy hull]

You’re kidding, he’s going on 3 year old evidence? 🤦‍♂️

[onyx pewter]

1 month

[vernal stream]

I checked, it is still relevant as of 1.21.30

[calm mulch]

i don't care anymore with "hey look one bug that requires precise to get it"

"bedrock bad cuz that"

[lament bluff]

im heading to offtopic

[calm mulch]

because that DOES NOT make any sense

[glossy hull]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-haters-problem-haters-gonna-hate-hate-gif-10501694

[onyx pewter]

Haters ?

[vernal stream]

such bugs are too outrageous because they are not covered by anything at all

[lament bluff]

@glossy hull i think its not worth messaging here anymore

[onyx pewter]

An hater would Say "haha bedrock sucks and bedrock players dying for no reason is fun"

[glossy hull]

You’ve stated that you’re too lazy to provide any real evidence, you refuse to take the conversation to a meaningful place where this should be discussed, you change the subject when presented with valid counter arguments.. yeah haters lol

✌️

[lament bluff]

since this is just a trolling atp

[onyx pewter]

There is already a bug report

Sorry I don't have to proove that earth is round there are already proofs

[vernal stream]

they remain for many years

[simple cedar]

you guys still at it 💀

[onyx pewter]

Yes

Because it's a problem

[vernal stream]

yeah

[obsidian pier]

Is it really though

I tried it and couldn't glitch out of the world

[simple cedar]

never happened to me so it is not my problem 🤷‍♂️

[onyx pewter]

Egoism

[lament bluff]

jesus christ yall still going?

[simple cedar]

that apply to most of us
so until i can see it is really a big problem i won't count it as mine

[onyx pewter]

So why are you caring about Palestine ?

🤔

[simple cedar]

💀

bruh

[fickle musk]

can we shut up

please

[calm mulch]

this dude

can we vote kick

like genuinely

[fickle musk]

lol

[glossy hull]

I vote yay

[onyx pewter]

Sorry for being honest

[glossy hull]

You can be honest without being disrespectful

[calm mulch]

honest of? having palestine flag next to username? that's right disrespectful tbh

[onyx pewter]

People who want the genocide to end aren't egoist

[calm mulch]

amen with that

[calm mulch]

how did we went from a stupid bug to THAT flag

[simple cedar]

i don't see how tf is that being honest
comparing people getting killed to a bug is something else

[calm mulch]

like you wanna pick a fight for no god damn reason

[onyx pewter]

Idk you aren't consistent

[lament bluff]

ok let me just destroy this entire argument
no one has to prove that earth is round and there are proofs about it, yes, and its believed to be a common sense now
and no one has to prove it because they havent experienced anything about it nor have beliefs, and they dont care about it either

it goes the same to the bug reports too, many stuff are unrecognized because no one has experienced it

maybe, a few might have, and those would be earth rounders or earth flateners

but if you are going against many peoples beliefs, aka if youre on "earth flatners" kind of side (not saying you are), you would have to come out with actual valid statements and proofs

but no, youre just god damn circling it, its going nowhere

[obsidian pier]

@plucky granite

Nvm smokey's here

[sullen tusk]

MC Live 2024
Discussion about Palestine

[calm mulch]

LITERALLY

[onyx pewter]

I always make IRL comparaison

[lament bluff]

why would you

[glossy hull]

Comparing bugs to genocide make sense to you? 🤦‍♂️

[onyx pewter]

About egoism

[fickle musk]

i dont think they meant to go that extreme

[calm mulch]

we went several stages of this argument from "stupid bug", "go play fortnite" and this

can we just stop

[sullen tusk]

Just a gentle reminder this thread is called "MC Live 2024" and not "off-topic"

[onyx pewter]

It's about hardcore

[lament bluff]

this guy

how many bones are present in a human body? was it 201? please break every single one of this guys bones

[sullen tusk]

And I think this discussion is already exhausted enough. Both parties are not changing their minds. Best to move on

[onyx pewter]

Ok

[fickle musk]

why not close this channel

[onyx pewter]

I listen you, I like yours tweets smokeystack

[fickle musk]

mc live is over

[lament bluff]

yes please

[simple cedar]

just close the topic
i think we all can agree on that
it is going no where

[sullen tusk]

Because I expected some after show thoughts and insights from a server that develops addons and see what components or api features yall can speculate will come(runtime id: creaker)

[simple cedar]

alr let's get back on topic

[lament bluff]

weve got something else instead

[fickle musk]

imagine if its just hardcoded behavior :/

[sullen tusk]

The warden did(and still does) use hardcoded behaviour

[simple cedar]

is the new component based on the player fov?

[lament bluff]

wait how does creaker work? i missed the live

[glossy hull]

Reverse enderman lol if you look away they come get ya, cannot be killed directly, you punch them and then it points to a tree with partials to show where the Heart block is located and you break that to kill them

[sullen tusk]

If you know weeping angels that's essentially it

it be cool to get the creaking heart's components

[simple cedar]

yeah
that will be interesting

[glossy hull]

Yeah that could be interesting, what would that entail do you think? The particles or the connection to an entity? 🤔

[sullen tusk]

The summoning of a puppet

[simple cedar]

we can replicate it tho
both the block and the mob mechanic

[sullen tusk]

Tme based events

[glossy hull]

That would be awesome indeed!

[lament bluff]

waaait it shows where the heart block is located?

👀

[glossy hull]

Did they talk about the spawning? Does the heart spawn naturally and replace tree blocks or is it a set amount in world gen?

[glossy hull]

Yeah particles point the way it’s super cool

[simple cedar]

probably part of the tree

[lament bluff]

i honestly did not expect to have this in minecraft

sounds cool as a miniboss

[glossy hull]

That would make sense, would be disastrous if the forest gets slowly eaten lol

[sullen tusk]

I wonder if the creative mode 1 punch is just a damage sensor

[lament bluff]

also im kinda scared to search uh

does it look the same as the one that mc live dropped

the cosmetic

[simple cedar]

yeah but another thing is do it generate if you bone meal a sapling

[glossy hull]

That would be a fun farm to make redstone wise!!

[lament bluff]

minecraft player right here

[obsidian pier]

All of it hardcoded

[simple cedar]

farm what lol

[obsidian pier]

Hearts I guess

[glossy hull]

The heart blocks! Lol

[obsidian pier]

To build a creaking army?

[glossy hull]

If it can be farmed I will find a way 😈

[simple cedar]

i guess that can be useful in games or pranks or something

[lament bluff]

oh man

imagine 2b2t if that mob gets into the server

[wheat timber]

They should have an end update

Or nether update

[simple cedar]

the condition that make it controlled and can be deactivated is also cool

[glossy hull]

The fact that you could maybe make your own custom forest and add them in could make an interesting mini game perhaps 🤔

[wheat timber]

Adding more op mobs in the overworld is pointless

Creaker and warden

The drop for warden is useless

What would creaker have

[lament bluff]

imagine a map that puts the player into creaker and warden situation

[glossy hull]

Imagine Decked Out 3?!?!

[sullen tusk]

Not all mobs need to have good drops. Because that encourages you to farm them and fight them

[wheat timber]

I guess so

[simple cedar]

yo can't kill it directly
So nothing?
the point is something that you encounter sometimes or rarely
it is just another minecraft experience

[lament bluff]

thankfully it isnt lol

[simple cedar]

yeah
it would be funny if the model is random like how trees are

[arctic remnant]

Everyone keeps calling the pale garden dark oak forest 2.0. It is just because of the shape of the trees? Cuz there isn't a lot of shapes in a blocky world that allows for an environment that covers the sky.

[glossy hull]

Yeah I think that’s a knock on the tree generation, they said in the event that their inspiration was the willow tree and then they just re-used the dark oak shape basically which feels slightly lazy

[arctic remnant]

I see. I get that honestly. I do hope they change it to look more like a willow tree then. Pale Oak is cool, but a new tree type would better imo.

[glossy hull]

Yeah exactly, wood type looks cool but an actual willow shape for the tree would be so good!

[glad oriole]

the tree is literally called pale oak tree

i don't have the source in hand

[arctic remnant]

That is correct. But something tells me many people forgot that.

[arctic remnant]

No you're right. I believe when they were showcasing the wood, it was called pale oak wood.

They only said that they were inspired by willow trees.

[glad oriole]

tho i feel like the tree shape is just temporary

[vestal monolith]

they should add abandoned structures on pale garden

[glossy hull]

That would be a great idea, even just increase the chances of an abandoned village spawning there!

[flat willow]

I keep seeing bugs like this

People saying there’s game breaking hardcore ending bugs

Meanwhile I’ve never seen one

[carmine arch]

The reality is that we have to weigh working on new features and working on bugs, while trying to figure out both how bad the bug is and how many people it may potentially affect. Often an imperfect system 🤓.

[glossy hull]

If I can go 16000+ minutes without dying while building ghast blasters and such I think it’s safe to say the game is in good condition 👌

[smoky citrus]

I've never had any if these issues either. I think it's probably more likely people with terrible devices and bad connections.

[idle hawk]

I have experienced the fall damage bug a good number of times

Mostly when pillaring

[fickle musk]

https://fxtwitter.com/kingbdogz/status/1840398912785387963

[proven charm]

Oh and add on,

it's not 1.22

[summer sorrel]

Imagine 1.22 is the graphics update

I wonder how 1.22 will work

[proven charm]

Doubt

[summer sorrel]

Since we’re getting small update drops now

[proven charm]

Remember title updates like that are for both bedrock and Java

[summer sorrel]

Will 1.22 be a small drop aswell?

[proven charm]

Java isn't better deferred

[summer sorrel]

Deferred will probably come out along with other features in a drop

Like hardcore

Since it’s coming out with bundles

[proven charm]

Deferred will more than likely just release at random along side other things. RTX released with the RD engine on pc. But it was kinda random

In pretty sure 1.16.200 was JUST RTX

Lemme see if I can find it

[summer sorrel]

No

Tons of other features came out with it

[proven charm]

We got RD. VR and sound sliders

It was basically the RTX update

I imagine this is how deferred will be done too

When it's ready

[spiral moth]

did they announce when they'll add the creaking and pale stuff?

[proven charm]

No

But it'll be in preview likely in the 1.21.50 cycle

[onyx pewter]

The pale garden with a black aurora at night would be asewome

[summer sorrel]

I believe it will be in another game drop like how hardcore is coming in bundles of bravery drop

But we’ll have to wait and see

🤷‍♂️

[sullen tusk]

You know new features dont HAVE to be part of a drop right?

They can just be a minor update

[summer sorrel]

True

[vernal stream]

how will version numbering work in case of drops

it won't happen 1.21.15 in java
if yes then how will the synchronization be obtained now, the numbering of versions on Java and Bedrock

[summer sorrel]

That’s what I’m wondering

How will 1.22 release with the new way they’re releasing updates now?

Will 1.22 just be another small game drop?

[sullen tusk]

We'll just have to wait and find out

[sullen tusk]

The 3rd drop(Bundles of bravery) will be 1.21.2(Java) and 1.21.40(Bedrock)

[vernal stream]

apparently the synchronization will break

[sullen tusk]

Minor updates have never been synchronized

[summer sorrel]

Major updates recently have tho

Ever since 1.16

[vernal stream]

but this is different
drops
main content

[summer sorrel]

But will that change now?

[sullen tusk]

Drops are NOT major updates

[summer sorrel]

So will that break the major update synchronization for bedrock and Java?

[vernal stream]

yes
but the main content for a long time will be released in drops

the plae garden biome and the creaking will be in drop

the synchronization will be broken

major updates will now be released rarely

version synchronization will be broken

[sullen tusk]

It has always been

[summer sorrel]

Until 1.16..

[sullen tusk]

Once again, for major updates only

[summer sorrel]

Yes

But we’re not getting major updates anymore

[vernal stream]

previously, minor updates contained mostly technical content
that's what i'm trying to say

[summer sorrel]

Perhaps 1.22 and beyond will just be small drops

But the version numbering will be the same for Java and bedrock

Except minor updates obviously

[sullen tusk]

But histroically minor updates have contained new features as well in different versions

[vernal stream]

the synchronization will be broken
If earlier it was possible to roughly understand, now it is not
in case if pale garden will be in 1.21.x

[summer sorrel]

1.21.x*

[sullen tusk]

1.17.XX added candles for bedrock
1.16.XX added brutes
1.19.XX added allay duping
Etc

[vernal stream]

these are too small changes

they didn't add entire biomes there

[sullen tusk]

People wil likely just call it by drop name instead of version name from now on

[obsidian pier]

Any guesses on what the creaking drop is going to be called?

[sullen tusk]

Freaking Creaking

[placid raptor]

There is a Creaking drop?

[sullen tusk]

So, there are two drops announced:
Bundles of Bravery - Bundles, Hardcore
Unnamed Drop - Creaking, Pale Garden

[placid raptor]

I misunderstood. Thought Xterionix was referring to an item drop lol

I really don't like this "game drop" name the team adopted. Makes no sense

It's like, fake-hip. I'd expect someone using the word "drop" for update to be stuck in the late 90s

[sullen tusk]

To dissociate from being an update i guess since an update usually refers to a major thing(1.21, 1.20, etc). These game drops are just things they work on that is part of a minor update

[placid raptor]

But if they are moving away from "major summer updates" like we have traditionally received, then the concept of "updates" disappears. Meaning "game drops" will come to be known as updates anyway—so why not call it that

I fully expect the team to be releasing a new minor version (according to semver) with each "game drop" they schedule. Otherwise I don't understand what their plans are

[sullen tusk]

For java yeah....for bedrock likely every .30 increments

[placid raptor]

I don't like how you aren't wrong 😢

[wheat timber]

Basically like how bridge updates, they do like V1.10.1, then V1.10.2, then a bug update would be V1.11

[idle hawk]

Game drops is a weird name yea why not call it minor update

To me that's very clear what it entails

[sullen tusk]

Because Bedrock has numerous minor update sbut not all contain game drops so its confusing

[idle hawk]

The bug fixes versions are considered minor updates?

Oof

Yea, rock and hard place here

[sullen tusk]

They are updates that are minor yes

[idle hawk]

Personally "version" and "update" are very distinct things to me

In the context of games at least

An update has additional contents or reworks, a version has bug fixes and performance

[placid raptor]

We typically call those "patches" in the game development space.

"Version" isn't a tangible action. It simply describes the state of something at a point in time.

You don't release versions—you can release an update, which is a new version of the product

I suppose you could "version" something (as a verb), but that just means taking existing content and filing them under specific versions, again a state in time

[long crypt]

My understanding is:
update Tricky Trails is the Minecraft 1.21.0 version
Trials & Tales Update is version 1.20.0 of Minecraft
Version is the number, the update is the name with the content

So if an update has no name, the two are interchangeable (update 1.21.40 is an upcoming minor update, Update 1.21.30 has version number 1.21.30)

[onyx pewter]

Ok but why java doesn't have as many bugs like that? Knowing that it is also developed by mojang

Will you really release hardcore with bugs that can kill you and that you know ?

[long crypt]

It seems like they will

However Hardcore is still experimental in 1.21.40.23 Preview, so we have to wait and see if any other Preview will have it de-experimentified

[onyx pewter]

With bedrock, we are sure of nothing about bug patching

As I said earlier

Also always New important bugs are here with New updates and you have to wait the bugfix

[lament bluff]

are we

starting this again

i surely hope not

[onyx pewter]

Yeaah

[lament bluff]

nah

[long crypt]

On Java you aren't either

No game company ever has a strict bug policy about when something gets fixed. There are always some unrevealed underlying issues no-one sees. you can't ETA bugs being fixed

[onyx pewter]

That's why previews exist

And also lots of gamebreaking bugs are known since years

[long crypt]

They exists to help the test the game yes, but there will always be bugs that slip through - literally every update

[onyx pewter]

There are also new bugs that are seen by mojang during preview cycle that aren't patched too

in addition there are even bugs which must annoy Mojang in their development like alt tabing

[long crypt]

I stop this conversation because you simply lack any knowledge about game development and how hard it can be. No game can be perfect, there will always be bugs, there will always be bugs slipping through.

If you believe Hardcore mode shouldn't come because of the bugs, that is fine, but I doubt you were complaining back 2 months when it is was first released and helped the developers finding these bugs.
Mojang (as a company) has the final say. Pinging developers here is stupid because none of the game developers here actually work on the Hardcore experience of the game. So replying, pinging or dming them has no use.

If you feel like you need your opinion heard you are here at the wrong adress. Go to the feedback site, twitter (x) or any other platform and let your voice being heard there

[long crypt]

Once again you have no idea why alt - tabbing closes Minecraft

Mojang is well aware of that but it requires an entire switch in how Minecraft app is build (UWP being the issue)

[onyx pewter]

Ok so why they can't do that ?

[long crypt]

Because it would require a massive rewrite of the gamecode, which takes some years to do. Not everything is a single digit change or a simply copy paste

[onyx pewter]

This issue exists since years and could have been fixed since

[glossy hull]

Same could be said about you, you’ve been told by several people that this isn’t the complaining board but you continue to do so, you could fix this behaviour but you don’t 🤷‍♂️

[onyx pewter]

It's me who sell the game now ?

🤣

Sorry to expect from a game to have important bugs patched

We don't speak about the drowned dance here

[long crypt]

Lower your expectations for Mojang or move to another game (company)

[lament bluff]

bloody hell

dude

why is this starting all over again

[onyx pewter]

I think it was the lowest expectation possible

[onyx pewter]

Because you almost all seem to not understand how important the problem is

[long crypt]

Your complain time is over now, go to another server please or I have to call in the mods. This conversation is going nowhere

[plucky granite]

Bro you've been crying for like 2 days now. Stop it.

Complaining in this server won't get the problem fixed.

[onyx pewter]

Complaining permits to move forward

[lament bluff]

youre failing to give us a good explanation why its so important

and its circling

[onyx pewter]

Maybe because it kills the reputation of the game (already low) ? Maybe because it makes the experience less enjoyable (while it's a game) ?

[long crypt]

I doubt he will give us a good explanation because he hasn't given a single good reason to any of anyones answers the last couple of days

[lament bluff]

isnt it just your thoughts?

[calm mulch]

petition to mute this person.

[lament bluff]

signed

[glossy hull]

Maybe it’s the wrong place for the conversation, dude, get it through your head

[onyx pewter]

If you want I will post the entire conversation on the Minecraft reddit

We will se the reaction of people

[glossy hull]

Please do and keep it over there thanks

[plucky granite]

You're doing this in an Add-On server.

[long crypt]

Reddit people will agreed more with you than this Discord, so please do it over there

[lament bluff]

why reddit again????

[calm mulch]

i'd imagine them getting muted straight up if they're complaining about it on the actual official minecraft server

[onyx pewter]

You prefer a java elitist discord server ?

[lament bluff]

which java elitist discord server???????

[onyx pewter]

Just an example

[lament bluff]

huh???????????

[glossy hull]

If you really want to be impactful take it to the feedback discord https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1288530725955571722

[onyx pewter]

Devs already know the reputation of the game about bugs

And already know the problem

[glossy hull]

So you just want to complain, got it 👌

[onyx pewter]

If nobody would defend the bugs and because it is a Real issue, maybe the hierarchy will do something ?

[calm mulch]

so why the hell are you complaining on a discord server where people are dedicated in add-on creation?

inside this minecraft live 2024 forum?

[onyx pewter]

The multipixel hand bug doesn't impact you ? It's being fixed on the china version

[calm mulch]

I create my own texture pack with 16x, obviously it doesn't affect me.

[long crypt]

@plucky granite Can you please mute/remove this complaining person

[plucky granite]

I'm going to have to ask you to stop because this is all you've been doing for the past day or so.

[calm mulch]

it's time to votekick

[onyx pewter]

last message: if you ask someone stronger than you that the other should be silent in a debate, then you have no arguments
PS : Know that I was a big defender like you all before and I said that bugs like this didn't happen to almost anyone and that it wasn't that serious and all...

[glossy hull]

Just shhhhhhhh

[long crypt]

Blinded by ignorance, I love it

[calm mulch]

anyways, i wonder about that mob in that new forest. does it attack other mobs?

[glossy hull]

I wonder too if they’ll make it so if you’re the owner of the heart block will you be safe from it?

Have these dudes protecting the base lol

[calm mulch]

if that thing does attack other mobs then that's mob farming material right there

if it drops the items though.

[calm mulch]

yeah could be ideal, though it doesn't seem effective that much.

it deals nearly the same damage as zombie does

[glossy hull]

Yeah that’s a pretty crappy body guard if he just freezes like a deer in headlights eh? 🤣

[calm mulch]

at least it's not that bad compared to iron golem or anything else

[glossy hull]

I’m wondering if the moss will be biome specific or if you just bring one block home and can set it up like normal moss farms. That’s one thing they could improve on, more biome specific uses (aside from the villagers)

[idle hawk]

The pale moss doesn't seem to be biome specifc, unless a non-carpet version doesn't exist

[glossy hull]

Yeah I’m guessing just like the saplings you’ll just grab one of each and never need to go back… that’s something I don’t quite get, they want the villagers to become biome specific, they’d do well to give us more reason stick around biomes I feel

[calm mulch]

moss

[obsidian pier]

I love that people skipped the after show and don't know that you use the hearts to essentially spawn wood golems

[flat willow]

I didn’t watch all the way through

Since I was busy

[subtle terrace]

Well it was called developer after-show, i wonder what was techincal about that

[obsidian pier]

Nothing technical, just them playing with the drop

[subtle terrace]

really

but i thought there could be some technical conversations

[obsidian pier]

Nope

[subtle terrace]

like what was challenging about that or something

not src code ofc

[obsidian pier]

We did get a look at the wood stuff too

[subtle terrace]

what was "developer" about that?

[obsidian pier]

That the developers were playing with it

[plucky granite]

The devs playing with the new stuff

[placid raptor]

We aren't the only people considered developers, lol

[obsidian pier]

I don't believe they even called it a "developer aftershow", "aftershow with developers"

[subtle terrace]

aftershow with developers sounds right, but "developer aftershow" is jsut missleading

[obsidian pier]

Yeah I don't think they called it that

[subtle terrace]

they did

[obsidian pier]

They did?

[subtle terrace]

yes

that's why I was disappointed a bit

[placid raptor]

It's more or less the same meaning in English IMO

Either way, it is an after-show that features developers

[subtle terrace]

ya, kinda it does

[placid raptor]

What seems disappointing is the scope of "developer." You were hoping for more technical/gameplay insight

Though if the chief creative officer, Jens, is not considered a developer, what is he?

[subtle terrace]

Yes, i just expect some funny stories when developing that thing or something

[placid raptor]

Ah I see. That would have been fun yeah

Knowing Mojang though, they'd be too fearful of revealing any concepts. They were lambasted for merely showing concept art a couple years back

[carmine arch]

I have some crayon drawings if you want to see them

[placid raptor]

Please 🙏

[flat willow]

😭

[carmine arch]

I lied, I don't have any drawings. But AI did generate this somewhat cursed version of Dteve for me.

[flat willow]

His head is too wide

[carmine arch]

And he has a nose, when we all know his face has a mustache and beard

[outer haven]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-wow-really-omg-no-way-gif-16174103

Or..

lol

[terse junco]

It shouldn't be that bad. The dev builds apparently use Win32 instead of UWP. Also, I keep hearing that UWP is deprecated.

[calm mulch]

fianlly, minecraft windows 7 edition

[subtle terrace]

UWP is not deprecated its still being support by MS, ya i would love win32 but UWP just feels cleaner

[terse junco]

It's supported, but they don't want you to use it and it's not getting new features.

UWP has always felt buggy to me. I also don't like how it puts programs to sleep as soon as you try to multitask.

[subtle terrace]

Well thats why its called Universal Windows Platform so it can work across windows platforms like Windows Phone or Xbox, ya sleeping on close is annoying but it's cool as well cus you can not stop the game like on Java

if you know what i mean

[terse junco]

Like you can't pause singleplayer?

[subtle terrace]

it also releases the memory when its minimized

[subtle terrace]

yes, you cant stop it

[terse junco]

Java recently added something like that too. If the game isn't the active window, it'll reduce the fps a ton to save resources. At least you can still pause the game.

[subtle terrace]

there is only resume menu but the game simulation still runs

for bedrock

[terse junco]

Also, my info on UWP comes from someone I know who is working on a multiplatform game engine.

[subtle terrace]

👍

[subtle terrace]

Will you can avoid some uwp if you build that for specific target

but its crazy when uwp pouses bc it take 0% CPU, 0% GPU, 0% Ram

its interesting isn't it?

there are no proccesses doing this except for UWP apps

[terse junco]

Personally, I think it's good for regular applications, but not games.

[subtle terrace]

well depends

i found it annoying when it minimize after alt tab when it was on full screen but thats windows behavior in general

really depends on the game tho

Also its all right if you play local worlds

[placid raptor]

At my work we have QA testers who play full screen, and they get kicked in multiplayer at least once per session because of this

[subtle terrace]

Yes thats very annoying

[vestal monolith]

So the pale garden snapshot is gonna be today isn't it?

[subtle terrace]

Well depends but i am sure it comes with 1.20.50 cycle

[fickle musk]

1.20

[obsidian pier]

^ My thoughts too

[subtle terrace]

ya, my bad

[plucky granite]

Yep

[sand jolt]

So I didn't really watch the live, but bundles are a different update much like the wolf armor was right?

[plucky granite]

Pretty much, yea

[flat willow]

Me waiting for the ping in #1019665690233405500 😔

[plucky granite]

Tomorrow maybe

[arctic remnant]

Yeah, probably tommorrow. The Minecraft page says that Bedrock's is coming soon...

[solemn burrow]

Pale garden isn't coming this week

[glad oriole]

will it come tomorrow?

[sand jolt]

Nice

[arctic remnant]

I have no idea honestly. I just said tomorrow like some sort of cope. "Soon" probably means in a week or two.

[flat willow]

😭

[unreal kernel]

It will come one day

[flat willow]

🥺