text / image to 3d models and textures to bedrock (State of Ai)

[cobalt arch]

https://youtu.be/NNVyqHeLvHk?si=zy0Evi03S0QPWtap

[zinc plaza]

why does a compass exist in space

[cobalt arch]

Because SOL system is a the center of the game map 0, 100, 0 - So you need to know how to get back to it say you are 100,000 blocks away.
It makes it easier to make sure you're going strait in open blackness.

I can change the letters if I wanted to say something else more spacy. but most people will understand this concept better. Even in space we agree on axis's so we can navigate.

[dull schooner]

Fr junk

[tame carbon]

this tech is quite interesting in concept, but I have a feeling so many people are going to use this technology as a replacement for real art, and with all the ai shit going on it kind of makes me sad

[gaunt nest]

🦅

[cobalt arch]

This is showcase not Where you get to display your hate. If you have a problem with Ai in general please display your bigotry somewhere else. If you have constructive feedback feel free to share it.

This isnt a hate ai channel or a general chat channel.

Your hateful and bigoted comments arent welcome here.

[dull schooner]

😂

[river ledge]

@cerulean sinewIf you can't be constructive or positive, please don't say anything. We don't tolerate people going to other people's showcases just to spread hate

@dull schoonerThis goes for you too

[dull schooner]

?

I wasn't spreading hate?

[tame carbon]

I wouldn’t go as so far to call it bigoted. Ai is a very controversial topic for good reason. The way they worded it could have been a bit nicer, but still

[cobalt arch]

If you comment negatively on something because it's simply in a category or subject matter ie HD, polymesh, lowpoly..., thats bigotry. It's not based on the showcase given, work done or even the subject of the video.

Did they even watch the video? or just see Ai in the title and comment "more Ai Junk...."

Would it be ok for me to comment more minecraft trash on each post they do? In my understanding of the rules and goal of the community. NO

The entire point of the video was to inform on the state of the tech and industry using a real world example as most don't know where it stands and would like to know. Regardless if they support or are against it.

Simply saying "more Ai Junk..." says you didn't even process the concept of the video. But simply had an emotional hateful, bigoted response to it's subject.

vs

a normal response.
"Firewing: this tech is quite interesting in concept, but I have a feeling so many people are going to use this technology as a replacement for real art, and with all the ai shit going on it kind of makes me sad"

Where as this commenter took the time to understand the video and reply with something helpful and thoughtful.

The Number 1 rule of show and tell ie showcase is you dont' talk shit about the other kids show and tell in the group.

If you want to talk shit in DM's or your own server about how Trash and junk CyberAxe's Ai info video and HD is games are thats 100% cool do it I support your freedom.

But coming in to show and tell time and saying "thats junk" because it's HD, Ai, Not minecraftie, too cursed...

Isn't acceptable under the community rules or any creative community, It isn't constructive or even simply kind.

[cerulean sinew]

AI 3D models and images just dont seem like a thing that should be in minecraft.

Also, critisizing a controversial topic such as AI replacing artists isnt bigoted.

The definition is "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."

That comment has no form of predjudice or has anything to do with a group of people. So please stop using buzz words to push people down.

I am not bigoted, that comment was not bigited, and that language is completely uncalled for.

[zinc plaza]

😂

[cerulean sinew]

You want constructive critisim? Well.

1. AI art is going to hold a controversy no matter what, so expect harsh critisism, even if its just 3 words.

2. If someone critisizes your work in a way in which isnt relevant, simply tell them, "hey that's uncalled for" instead of "OH THIS DUDE'S A BIGOT! BAN HIM FOR CRITISIZING ME!" (Note how I used an exagaration to prove a point)

3. Its OK for someone to critizize your artstyle. Saying "sorta cursed" isnt the end of the world. If I were you, just play into it. For example, if someone said my xape animation was "sorta cursed", I would laugh along with them. That promotes a better community instead of toxixity.

[cobalt arch]

"especially" does not mean required.
unreasonably attached to opinion... "more ai junk" in a model / art showcase

I'm talking about tech and art related to game development.

You're talking about your emotional fear related to people losing their jobs in my showcase.

It's not even on the same level of relatity. This is politices, government regulations and world views.

It's not the right place for it. You've been told this over and over. I've directly asked you to stop in most of my showcases, and blocked you but you keep doing it.

When a person(me) or group(those who use HD/Ai) of people ask you to stop and you keep doing it, then it's targeted at those people, a particular group of people you dislike what they create or do.

HD, Ai.. for me it seams. Thats a Basis you have against those who use HD/Ai and you take it out on me. As your outlet. It's not ok. Find a different outlet for your issues and concerns.

[cerulean sinew]

In 1 showcase actually.

That was enough for you to call me a bigot.

[cerulean sinew]

Which is completely too far and promotes toxic behavior around your work.

[tame carbon]

I don’t see an issue with hd textures, personally it’s not my cup of tea but i appreciate the fact that it exists for the sake of variety and that people enjoy making hd things for mc

ai on the other hand is tricky. many people, me included see it as utterly soulless- it is the antithesis of art. I don’t blame people for reacting negatively towards the use of ai since it’s a topic that has a lot of moral dilemmas.

I personally see media that involves ai generated assets as a huge turn-off- when I interact with a piece of art, whether it be a video game, music, book, movie, etc, I like to think about the artistic choices, meaning, and people behind it who worked hard to make it. With ai, there is none of that- no meaning, just surface-level pretty pictures.

is the technology interesting? Hell yes, I even played around with it last night because I wanted to see how it worked
But nothing exists in a vacuum, which means that there will be people who see this sort of thing and decided to use it as a way of cutting corners and replacing real artists.

[cobalt arch]

Sure but every post on Ai tech isn't about Ai jobs and a place to have these converstaions. That doesnt' make sense. Even less when people are so emotional about it. This is just force people to stop sharing because of community emotional abuse.

This is a show case. If you want to talk about your fears and issues with Ai as a overall social issue fine make a post about it.

A great place this was ok to talk about and people did was the survey relateed to using Ai from this discord.

A place Not to bring up your emotional issues and concerns is every single Ai showcase people post.

If you need someone to talk to about your Ai fears pay a professional. don't bring it here.

[tame carbon]

• the fact that nothing generated by ai has any inherent value whatsoever since there is no artistic intent or meaning behind it

[cerulean sinew]

Could you at least apologize for calling me a bigot when that was completely uncalled for?

[tame carbon]

^

yeah that is kinda… overreacting

bigot is a really strong word

[cerulean sinew]

I even explained why here.

[cobalt arch]

No, I stand by my statement. You didn't make an assessment about my video. You make a general statement about Ai and the people who use it.

Me and Ai users. Thats Bigotry. Period.

[tame carbon]

imo I don’t see any harm in messing around with ai as long as you’re not using it to replace real artists, and aren’t using it in an actual real project

[cobalt arch]

The only person here making the More Ai junk is Me and Ai users...

No one else you could be talking about.

[tame carbon]

not really, considering there is genuinely a lot of issues involving the use of ai in this day and age

[cobalt arch]

Not in this showcase form

Once more if you want to have this Ai is bad chat fine, my showcases is not the place for it

Do it in your own places or in general chat

Not in creators showcases

OR DEV-resources posts

[cerulean sinew]

That is literally not bigotry. And I assessed your harsh messages towards me.

I dont really hold that much against AI, but AI art is a problem for artists. People now try to scam others with commissions using AI art.

[cobalt arch]

Not my problem or the place to talk about it

I don't do that.

[tame carbon]

ai in general is a big topic of debate and a lot of people have things to say about it considering it’s completely soulless in every manner of the word, and also is usually used to replace human work

[cerulean sinew]

Critisism isnt bigotry..

[cobalt arch]

Holding me accountable or coming to my shows case and making more Ai junk statements here show your bigotry. I have nothing to do with that. Nor does the video.

[tame carbon]

we should move this to #off-topic probably

[cobalt arch]

You ruin my showcases. Because of your Ai issue. Instead of being respectful and giving me space to show what I'm doing.

Now every time someone views my work they have your hate in their heads first comment.

So I stop posting

My first post back in month. You are first post..

[cerulean sinew]

That is just critisism. All you're doing is making the discussion around your work more toxic.

All I wanted was an apology. You apologize for calling me a bigot, and I'll apologize for being to harsh on your work.

[cobalt arch]

You're not giving critisism of my work. You're hating on Ai users

What was my work in this video? Did you watch it?

[cerulean sinew]

No. I'm not. I was just dissapointed to see AI art in minecraft

[cobalt arch]

Atleat here you tried

[cerulean sinew]

I was making fun of that whole situation. Trying to make it less toxic, and make common ground.

That work wasnt actually "cursed" or anything.

I thought by making fun of the whole "sorta cursed" bit I would show that that form of critisism isnt meant to harm you.

[tame carbon]

imo that can come off as a little rude

[cobalt arch]

"No. I'm not. I was just dissapointed to see AI art in minecraft"

Thats bigorty. Its an emotional response based on see Ai in minecraft. So you took it out on me. It had nothing to do with my art or info video.

Because I'm in the group of people who uses Ai, you responsed with a hateful comment.

It's hateful because it's not related to my art, or creation or video but only because it's "x"

In this Ai.... and you are disappointed about Ai in minecraft so you act out against a group of people using it.
ME...

Once more... Did you look at the video, stop and think about what I said and did in the video and they reply after considering it. <-- This is thoughtful and can be constructive if it includes feedback thats helpful.

Or did you simply see a thumbnail and react emotionally. <-- This is bigtry and hateful
It was not helpful
It was not constructive
It was not nice
It was not related to my work or this showcase

[tame carbon]

let’s please move it to #off-topic

[cerulean sinew]

You want constructive critisim? Well.

1. AI art is going to hold a controversy no matter what, so expect harsh critisism, even if its just 3 words.

2. If someone critisizes your work in a way in which isnt relevant, simply tell them, "hey that's uncalled for" instead of "OH THIS DUDE'S A BIGOT! BAN HIM FOR CRITISIZING ME!" (Note how I used an exagaration to prove a point)

3. Its OK for someone to critizize your artstyle. Saying "sorta cursed" isnt the end of the world. If I were you, just play into it. For example, if someone said my cape animation was "sorta cursed", I would laugh along with them. That promotes a better community instead of toxixity.

Incase you didnt read this.

Now stop using politically charged words like biggot for every situation that harshly critisizes you. That is only going to make opinions and discussions around your work more and more toxic until people are actually going to be biggoted towards your work.

[cobalt arch]

I disagree. Please don't comment on my showcases or dev-resources anymore. This is my 2nd time asking.

[cerulean sinew]

I will when you apologize for calling me a bigot.

Thats the only way we settle this stupid arguement.

I'm only asking this so we can end this in an agreement instead of toxicity.

[cobalt arch]

Not how this work. If you continue to harass me and follow me around commenting on my posts I will continue to report you.

[cerulean sinew]

Calling someone a bigot, which is a politically charged slur is a form of harrassment.

[cobalt arch]

I believe you are a bigoty. Related to HD and Ai. So I can't apololgize.

[cerulean sinew]

HD art is fine. It actually looks nice. I joked and said it looked cursed half heartedly.

I respect your effort put in to making it.

[cobalt arch]

I disagree. Calling out Hate and Bigotry is our moral and ethical obligation. I don't' follow you around, I don't comment on your posts.
You already acklodeged you were asked to stop once and you refuse to stop.

I and the mods have asked you to stop now.

What will it take for you to respect the rules and stop harassing me?

[cerulean sinew]

1. No hate was put into my arguements.
2. Bigot is a politically charged slur, using that language in a minecraft related server is just over the top.

[tame carbon]

this^^^

[cerulean sinew]

3. I have no hate towards you or any group of peiple.

[tame carbon]

When I think of bigots I think of racists and homophobes and stuff, it’s a really heavy word to throw around

[cerulean sinew]

I just wanted you to apologize so we could end this agruement without toxicity.

[cobalt arch]

Once more you are coming to my showcases and saying these things. You made the choices and said the words.
I've 2 times requested you to stop and the Mods have requested you stop.

at what point will you respect others and stop?

Prove you are not hateful and leave me alone. So far you have proven you are obsessed with this subject and me.

[cerulean sinew]

When you apologize for using politically charged slurs at people. That's when I stop.

[cobalt arch]

You will stop harassing me. When I apologize?

[cerulean sinew]

Yes. That's what ive been saying this whole time.

[tame carbon]

imo I really can’t tell who’s fully in the right and who isn’t because sure, saying “more ai junk” is a little rude, but then again, ai is an EXTREMELY controversial topic for good reason, and i think it’s fully valid to speak out against it

[cobalt arch]

in every showcase?

You think showcases are where we should have out if Ai is good or bad?

Really?

Why would I ever showcase anything Ai then if the mobs just going to harass me for hours

[cerulean sinew]

I'm sorry for the harsh critisism, and honestly dumb arguements ive caused. However, I never hated you or your work, and never meant to create a toxic enviroment around your work.

What I'm trying to do is stop the toxicity between you and me.

[cobalt arch]

Showcases are an Art safe space to show and tell your creations.

Creative feedback is great. Hate is not

[tame carbon]

personally unless it’s just used to play around with for fun (ie, nothing made with the ai gets used in a serious project or anything) or used to make memes like the ai Pixar posters, ai shouldn’t be used for anything creative because the concept is rotten to the very core

[cerulean sinew]

Look. I'm autistic, I dont get social ques, and my critism may be a bit off. But I never meant any hate behind it.

(Yes I'm diagnosed)

[cobalt arch]

I've been doing this for 4+ years daily streaming and many times a week I get this Bedrock, Hd, and now Ai hate. Bridge Hate too. When it's addressed it gets better, when it's allowed it get much much worse.

It's not ok, it's toxic and we have to call it what it is. Hate.

It's easy don't like it, dont' comment

Think it could be better if you change this a little. Then please comment.

[cerulean sinew]

Bro. I'm not hating. I just have a hard time trying to express what I'm saying.

Ive been modding for a similar amount of time. And I belive anyone should be able to say anything about my work.

[cerulean sinew]

I apologized for my part, could you please apologize for using slurs?

[tame carbon]

1. The ai is fed images to train on and replicate patterns from, and this includes peoples art, private photos, even medical records- all without consent, hence why people say it’s art theft
2. The companies that make these ai tools definitely do not have our best interests in mind
3. Ai is inherently meaningless and soulless, and unlike real art you cant analyze it to find meaning- using it in place of art devalues art
4. Ai is a way to cut corners and get assets made without having to get an artist to do it

This is why ai is controversial

it’s not an issue of people against it going “you use ai and i think that’s dumb so you SUCK!!!!!!!”, it’s an issue of people going “nearly every facet of ai is controversial, so we would prefer not to see it used”

[cobalt arch]

We dont' have the same world views. Bigotry is not a slur. It's like calling a Sheep a Sheep a slur.. It is what it is and you know what it is by how it acts.
The only reason you are self reflecting now is because I called you out. I'm not going to apologies for calling out what I see.
The solution is you stop doing it and my oppion of you changes based on your actions.
Thats how reputations work

[cerulean sinew]

Just because it's not used as often, does not mean that it's in any way appropriate to use here. Especially in a minecraft related server.

[cobalt arch]

1. So are humans. You are born empty
2. Says who, prove it. You can run these locally without any corp involvement.
3. Ai is a tool like a hammer. A hammer doesn't get up in the morning with an idea for a 90 foot tall skyscraper and go hire a team and get permits to approve it, then spend 2 years planning it out and getting funding for it.

A hammer doesnt' buy all the parts and show up every morning to put force behind it handle and swing it to hit a nail, the hammer knows nothing of. Billions of times until the building is created.

A hammer, is a wood tree connected to a metal rock shaped my man, used by mans hand to create what is in his him.

You know what an Ai does by itself alone?

---> <---- Nothing... Because it's a tool used by humans. It does nothing but take input(force/swing) from an arm, finger typing or voice. Then hit a nail... it also knows nothing about....

If you think Ai is evil because of jobs then you are evil for using Computers. As they have replace more jobs than anything in history.
So have cellphones. Most the things in your life are because jobs were lost over time. It's part of nature.

While I agree we must respect a nailgun more than a hammer they are both tools. With cause and effect.

A right use and a wrong use.

[tame carbon]

Ai isn’t evil but that’s like saying that because the gun isn’t evil, it’s ok to shoot people

also as for humans being born empty- humans and algorithms are not the same

[cobalt arch]

Not at all. Like I said, there is a right use and wrong usage. It is ok to shoot people with guns in the right usage.

It's also not ok to shoot people in the wrong usage.

It's a tool

Applying emotions to it, doesn't change it

[tame carbon]

I and many others dislike the very idea of ai as something without soul or meaning used to replace art

i am genuinely unsettled by ai because of what it means and the consequences it could have

[cobalt arch]

The emotions come from the empathy of people maybe having change in their lives. Thats a virtue and wonderful. But has nothing to do with the tool.

What is does have to do with is how we treat those who lose jobs or have change and help them out and understand their states as change is hard for us all.

But any of our jobs could be gone tomorrow, Ai is not needed for that.

[cobalt arch]

This was said about Camera and printers but niether came true

[tame carbon]

I feel like at the bare minimum, creativity should not be automated

[cobalt arch]

Is photography soulless?

is a printer soulless? because the photographer is a drone vs a person?

What about the images from mars. Are those soulless because a drone took them?

Or the images from our planet orbit?

those are stunning. Are they any less of value because they are automated cameras?

[cerulean sinew]

Who put that into orbit?

[cobalt arch]

What about a timelapse of a year where humans can't do it. Is that soulless?

[cobalt arch]

Who made Ai

Who put the inputs in?

[tame carbon]

photography takes a photo of what already exists, ai goes through a database of images, many of them stolen and cobbles them together into something “new”

[cobalt arch]

Most movies are of fakes locations on a movie set. So are those man made movie sets soulless?

Is holywood artless

[tame carbon]

I’m not sure where I stand on photography being art tbh

[cobalt arch]

souless?

[cerulean sinew]

Thousands of artists who had their art stolen without their knowledge

[cobalt arch]

What about a sound stage vs a stage infront of people is that soulless?

[cobalt arch]

Those artist stole their education of music from others...

No one knows anything unless they learn it from someone else.

[tame carbon]

no because genuine thought and meaning goes into movies. Even the shittiest movie ever to exist has more merit than anything ai generated since it was created by people who made conscious decisions and expressed their ideas through it

[cobalt arch]

You don't just know music, or reading, or english,
even the bible is copyrighted.

[tame carbon]

ai does not learn like humans do

[cobalt arch]

Correct this is NOT Ai.
It's simply a LLM
which is just a database of Facts.

[dull schooner]

Literally British version of the F word

[cobalt arch]

But thought goes into the inputs the ai is given

A human gave it the inputs

its not just doing it

[tame carbon]

you can’t control the outcome though

[cobalt arch]

sure you can

[tame carbon]

it’s like commissioning someone- did you draw the art you commissioned?

[cobalt arch]

we have lots of real time ai generators

[cerulean sinew]

Tell me who learned music from someone who didnt want people to learn music from them? Or had any permission to do so?

I mean stolen as in they took artist's assets without the artist's consent.

[cobalt arch]

Adobe's ai is only trained on their paid human assets.

You are assuming the worst. While not knowing whats being done.

[cobalt arch]

Oh my just look at all the lawsuits over music.

Now what about dance. If a robot dances but a human programmed it, is that art?

What if it's the same moves the dancer does

[cerulean sinew]

In those cases, yes, thats stolen. But in the case of AI, a lot of it is also stolen without consent.

[cobalt arch]

Does simply the fact it's robotic make it bad?

[cobalt arch]

What do you mean it's stolen? Adobe got the permission to use the human artist art for their Ai. and pays them for it.

[cerulean sinew]

That was done with consent by the dancer, the one who helped make it

[cerulean sinew]

In that case it's ethical, but derivitive.

[cobalt arch]

Most dance moves are stolen. 99%

[cerulean sinew]

Ok. Who holds the copyright to a dance?

[tame carbon]

using my own art as example, every single line on this drawing of my character Pepper was a conscious decision I made, every single facet of the outcome was controlled by me and me alone

ai is not the same way, you can type as complex as a prompt as you want but you are still not doing the work. Ai scans a database of stolen work and copies patterns it sees without any thought or intent. It is devoid of meaning, it is the opposite of art.

[cobalt arch]

What about food prep? Is Gorden Ramsy an artist? Or those bakeries with fancy cakes.
If someone else makes the same meal just as good as Ramsy did they steal his art? What if it's made by an Ai.

[cobalt arch]

Each of those choices is based on what you've seen others do. You're stealing their art and styles and logic right now

[tame carbon]

humans and machines don’t work the same way

[cerulean sinew]

He makes those with the intent and consent for others to make the dish he made. Same for all cook books, recipes and cooking shows.

[tame carbon]

even when I draw in someone else’s artstyle I’m still making every decision with intent and meaning

[cobalt arch]

If you take a baby who has never seen anything no mirrors not art and have them draw. It's no where close to what we draw. Everything you know is based on what you've seen and learned. All of life is about mimic'ing.

Very very few people truely are inventors or creators.

[cerulean sinew]

No one holds the copyright to a cake.

[cobalt arch]

He does but do all those he worked for previously that he watch do stuff? Nope

[cerulean sinew]

Hoever artists hold the copyright to their work.

[tame carbon]

that’s not true

Inspiration isn’t the same thing as stealing, and ai cannot be inspired the way humans can

[cerulean sinew]

Anyone can cook anything. Thats not stolen art.

[cobalt arch]

Which means nothing in much of the world. Laws on mean things if you have money to enforce them

[cerulean sinew]

In adobe's case thats 100% fine as it's taken with consent.

[cobalt arch]

Cooking is art... recipies can be copyrighted and patiented

[cerulean sinew]

Though there is no originality

[cobalt arch]

Now thats a great question. I'm not sure this has been proven one way or the other. It's assumed they can't. I'm not sure that will be proven true

[cerulean sinew]

If you read and use a recipe, you arent stealing art in the same way AI steals art.

If you trace over art with your own, that is stolen art.

Thats what AI does.

[cobalt arch]

If you beleive Inspiration if from God then Can Ai get Inspiration from God sure. God is God. He can do whatever he wants.

If you think we evolved from ozz. Then why could Ai evolve too..

[tame carbon]

one of these was created by a conscious being using the art as a way to express thoughts and ideas, and therefore has meaning and purpose behind it and the other does not

old ass art from like almost 2 years ago but point still stands

[cobalt arch]

the recipt book is copyrighted and if you share those online it's a violation of that copyright

Its way way worse the deeper you get in to the laws

DMCA and othres

[tame carbon]

sure I can’t draw something as detailed as the ai, and it can do it thousands of times faster than me but at least I have creative intent when I make something

art is not as much about the end result as it is about the process

[cobalt arch]

But you have an emotional attactment to them and a bias. If we did a blind test over thousand of people do you really think they could detect a soul in the art?

I'd like to do a video on this

[cobalt arch]

and the process is about you. Forget about the Ai. Focus on you.

[tame carbon]

ai is still inherently soulless since it just copies without understanding what it is copying

[cerulean sinew]

Yeah, but if I read a recipe book at a store, leave it behind and follow its directions to make a macaroni cassarole, you arent breaking copyright law.

[cobalt arch]

Once more it can't be Ai if it doesnt' understand

While you can say it doesnt' have feeling, it can understand feelings.
Like data in star trek..

However, I think data in star trek is NOT what our Ai will be. A Realy Ai will be 10000X more real than that.

You can't tell humans vs Ai today. so Data is not where we are going.

[cerulean sinew]

Bro. This is just biggoted arguements. You are literally hating on artists that dont want their work stolen

See how it feels when its used against you? Doesnt feel nice does it?

[cobalt arch]

Not in the US because it's person use. But if you stream it for money, or sell it say at an event then yes

[cerulean sinew]

Actually, no. https://www.copyrightlaws.com/copyright-protection-recipes/#:~:text=Similar to ideas%2C facts and,content beyond the ingredient list.

[tame carbon]

when I draw, say, a buzzard, when I use reference photos I’m not straight up analyzing the data and copying the exact patterns I see, I am making conscious decisions with every line stroke, and I have a clear vision and idea for my art piece and am using it as an outlet for my creativity

[cerulean sinew]

Similar to ideas, facts and history, there isn’t copyright protection in recipes as mere lists of ingredients. This is clearly stated by the U.S. Copyright Office. Most recipes, however, include content beyond the ingredient list.

However, just using the lists, and making your own content off of that is not against copyright law.

[cobalt arch]

You need to read it.

They are duplicating 1for1 if a corp ai

and since it's new there will be some of those issues. 
but everything new has issue. that why we need to use and upgrade it. ```

[tame carbon]

ai inherently devalues art and treats it as nothing more than a pretty picture, where it’s only the end result that matters

if it’s generated by ai, no conscious decisions were made. The ai does not have a vision or idea it wants to convey, it just mindlessly scours databases for patterns and replicates those patterns to produce a final product that resembles art on the surface, but is utterly devoid of humanity.

[cobalt arch]

Once more if you go to a book store and open a book that copyrighted and read out content of that book you are stealing copyrighted content.

[cerulean sinew]

That was my point.

But you didnt exaxtly listen to that you biggot.

[cobalt arch]

GPT4 has vision.

I dont' disagree it might fell different. But does art have humanity in it? I dont' know about that.

[tame carbon]

no it doesn’t

it can’t think

[cobalt arch]

Does art have emotion in it or soul. I dont' know. I don't think so.
Can humans feel emotions from art, sure

[cerulean sinew]

Art cant exist without human intervention.

[cobalt arch]

I cry at art all the time

[cobalt arch]

nor can ai

They are tools of humans

[cobalt arch]

sure gpt4 has vision

[cerulean sinew]

The way some people use those tools arent always good.

[cobalt arch]

It can play videos games and run androids

[cobalt arch]

Sure look at TNT, the inventory got the peace price. Yet tnt lead to millions of deaths and wars still to this day

[tame carbon]

yes it does, since the creator had meaning and intent

[cobalt arch]

But it also gave us mining and everything we have.
with out tnt there are no computers.. no ai. no cameras.. nothing

[cobalt arch]

No. It's just wood, with dirts on it

[tame carbon]

I mean there are animals that make art too

[cobalt arch]

You've learned value though social interactions.

[cobalt arch]

Human point of view

[tame carbon]

that’s what it is on the surface, but it’s a way for the artist to convey their innermost thoughts

[cobalt arch]

Once more is my shit art?

[cerulean sinew]

Just my opinion, AI shouldnt get a nobel peace prize, but those prizes are given out for advancements in technology, not if that technology isnt deadly or controversial.

[cobalt arch]

If you take the most valuable art to a trible in a jungle hungry do you thing they will feel any emotion from that art?
Nope

[cerulean sinew]

For example Marie Curie, her research that won her the prize also killed her.

[tame carbon]

it’s the intent of the creator that counts

[cobalt arch]

Yeah I think the peace prize is a scam. Just elite worship

[cobalt arch]

True but intent doesnt' transfer with the art

[cerulean sinew]

That I agree on.

[cobalt arch]

I have a perfect example please hold....

[tame carbon]

that doesn’t mean anything, art is about the journey, not the destination

[cobalt arch]

https://youtu.be/vxZN0Cpy-2k?si=5SwNDR1WtOIUbeLl
what emotions do you get from this art?

[cerulean sinew]

Ballz

They go brrr

[cobalt arch]

So why do you care about Ai then. if art is just about your journey to make it. Not everyone else is desination.

If I don't care about the journey then why shouldn't I be able to use ai

and why do you care. other than "artist lossing their jobs"

[tame carbon]

because it devalues art and steals jobs

[cerulean sinew]

The entire point here isnt that it's good or bad. That it's controversial with some solid reason behind it.

[tame carbon]

curiosity

[cobalt arch]

So say all artist keep their job. Ai infacts adds more jobs. Then it's just devalues

[cerulean sinew]

Yeah, scamming people with AI commissions is a job I guess.
(Not talking about you, but people do do that.)

[cobalt arch]

devalues art. Do you think everyone having a camera in their pockets and a printer in their houses has devalued art world wide? Or has the world wide art market skyrocketed even though anyone can take a photo of million dollar art and print it and hand it on the wall.

Which do you think was the fear in the 40's before cameras and tv took off....

and which do you think is the reality of what happened?

[tame carbon]

for an example of art being about the meaning, in first hour at school a few weeks ago I was really tired and the warm-up drawing prompt was to draw how you felt or smth.
I expressed how exhausted I was through the drawing. It’s a dumb example but its the easiest one to explain

[cobalt arch]

If those who get the art like it and happy with it then who are you to judge them

[cobalt arch]

What if the art meaning for me is I want a tatoo of a butterfly on my back but I don't care what it looks like.

Why should I not be able to say generate butterfly?

No one is taking your rights away. You have all the ability to keep creating art like you have been.

What we are doing if goign everyone else not an artist the ability to creative what in their heads without needing a professional.

most the time this is not the diff in paying someone or not.

its the diff in having this image in your head for your entire life and not ever being able to see it. 90% of people wull never pay an artist no matter what.

If those 90% could however type in to a app I'd like to see this and it does it shittly.. Then why do you care?

[tame carbon]

this drawing I did a few months ago was a scene from my story/worldbuilding project that I’ve been writing, which means the world to me.

when drawing this, I took into account the designs of the characters and the intent and purpose the drawing serves to convey, and the full context behind it. Ai does not understand the context behind anything, it just sees surface level patterns. You, without context may just see two dragons fighting, but I had a clear vision and an idea I wanted to convey and bring to life, and that is what makes it art.

[cobalt arch]

Because you express your emotions throught your art.
You are only 1 of 4 brain types and personalities in the world. The other 2 analytical types don't care about any of this.

[cerulean sinew]

I just dont want my work taken from me with no credit.

[tame carbon]

Your art is sick dude

[tame carbon]

you aren’t getting it

it’s the INTENT and EXPRESSION that matters, it doesnt matter whether you get the deeper meaning or not

[cobalt arch]

Well because of Russia, china, iran, and many others thats not a reality regardless of Ai.

If you think your art is safe before ai, I think you're mistaken.

[cerulean sinew]

These are stuff that took me hours to do. I dont want a robot to make that effort meaningless.

[cobalt arch]

None of that is transfered in the art. Thats all in your head.

Back to this art #1237111274308112405 message

[tame carbon]

art is a way to express your feelings, it is basically a look into someone’s very soul captured via pixels or pencil strokes or music notes

[cerulean sinew]

And that shouldnt be a "biggoted" opinion. @cobalt arch

[cobalt arch]

for some people yep. for others it's just colors

[tame carbon]

you still aren’t getting it

[cobalt arch]

I get your point. My point is if your art is still around in 100 years. Nothing you feel is attached to it. Your intent. Nothing. It's simply an object.

Everything you feel about it is only in you

It does not transfer

[cerulean sinew]

There is meaning in an artist's work. Even if it's just in the artist's head.

AI taking people's art sorta ruins that

[cobalt arch]

Yes on first point.
No on second

There is no meaning in the art. The Ai can steal.
The meaning is only in the head of the artist.

Others can guess of the meaning

We commonly call a item with meaning a relic.

relics only pass meaning on through social interactions. Once those stop the relic's meaning is lost

ie watch that above video

[cerulean sinew]

It depends on the artist. If they consent to AI using their art to generate new art, then its fine. But in the case where it isnt, it's not free of critisism.

I personally think AI art should not be monetized or have some sort of signature that makes people know its AI.

That way when people try to buy art, they dont get scammed by someone who put no effort into it.

[tame carbon]

It doesn’t matter whether or not people just see a dragon and nothing more

This was a way for me to express myself. I wanted to draw the very idea and essence of myself, how I view myself on the inside regardless of outside appearance.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t understand that, this was just an outlet for me to express my feelings, and every line and color fill was intentional.

My art is about things that mean a lot to me. Mostly I draw my characters, which are very dear and close to my heart, and based off bits and pieces of things I’ve experienced. I use my art as a lens to view the world and a way to express myself and my thoughts and feelings, and THAT is the soul of the art. It doesn’t matter if you say it’s only in my head, at the end of the day, my intent is the ONLY thing that matters to make it art.

[cobalt arch]

Yeah this is a hard one. If it's on the internet IMO it's fair game. If you put stuff on the internet and think it's still yours and you are not rich. You are sadly very wrong.

[cerulean sinew]

That goes against copyright, ethics, and the very nature of art. No hate but that is very very wrong.

I think this is fair ground to agree to dissagree.

[tame carbon]

Ai devalues art, making it seem like it’s about nothing more than the prettiest picture. It makes it harder for artists to get and keep jobs, makes people feel discouraged from doing art, etc.

[cobalt arch]

Sure, and thats great. Keep doing it.

But if I can't draw and I just want Ai to generate an image I feel is close to my heart and I value, Then I should be able to do that.

Ai created a song last week that makes me and other cry. It's one of the most amazing things I've heard.
So in my person experences what you say about Ai doesnt' match up.

[cerulean sinew]

For example, if you share art on twitter, and someone traces it and gets more traction from it, do you think that's fair?

Or tumblr, or youtube, ect.

[tame carbon]

Sure, you can enjoy it, but it’s like eating a fast food hamburger versus the most delicious, amazing burger ever to exist on the planet

[cerulean sinew]

That's where consent to copy should be enforces.

[cobalt arch]

How I'm dont' see agree it's not fair. but the reality is if you can't afford lawyers laws mean nothing. And since china has 700million minecrafters and doesnt' care about any laws, same with russia and countless others.

You are a fool to thin copyright or dmca mean much.

Once more I do this for a living. I get paid to protect and advise on 100million dollar projects.

[tame carbon]

personally, ai makes me feel nothing, because that’s what it is. Ai has no intent or meaning. It just copies without understanding.

[cerulean sinew]

On an ethics standpoint, if someone took all of your addons, reposted it and started getting money from it, is it right?

[cobalt arch]

lol. Oh you poor thing. You don't know. The meat at fast food is the same meat from the stores you shop at. Unless you're going a farmer or butcher, you're eating what McD's is selling even at home.

[tame carbon]

checkmate I’m vegan

fast food isn’t the same thing as a home cooked meal

[cobalt arch]

Interesting. Not been my experience. Maybe you should try some content not knowing it's ai or not. and see if it's your bias

[cerulean sinew]

🗣️🔥🔥

[cobalt arch]

The meat is the same. McD is the large purchaser of meat in the world What they want is what we all eat.
unless it's small ranch raise.

[cerulean sinew]

Sorry but that was actually funny.

[cobalt arch]

There are only 2-3 meat processors in the US.

[cerulean sinew]

In some cases, but in a lot of cases they cut corners.

Its just like saying a mcrib is the same as a 5 star michilin stake.

[cobalt arch]

60% of meat goes to McD alone. Next set goes to restraunts, then markets, then schools and prisons for worst quality

[tame carbon]

when I listen to music for example, I appreciate the fact that SOMEONE created it, they put hard work and effort and did everything with some form of intent. They clearly were expressing something through their music, and although I won’t be able to get the same meaning from it as the artist, I still appreciate that they made something as a form of expression.

[cobalt arch]

Meat comes from the same cows

[cerulean sinew]

There is different values and different quality sets. Some healthier than others

[tame carbon]

that’s like saying that there’s no difference between eating a whole raw potato and French fries

[cerulean sinew]

Yeah. Thats true. But they are at two different values, for different reasons.

[cobalt arch]

Sure but I bet a good amount of music you listen to already today is generated. That could be why music is also so bad IMO...
But a differnet issue.

I'm curious if you did a blind test if that would hold out. or not.

It would be a great test to see.

Can you tell which has emotion and heart and which doesnt

[tame carbon]

most of the music I listen to is from a single somewhat obscure artist, with most of it dating back to 2012-ish, and you can TELL it’s their personal passion project

[cerulean sinew]

Thats why I listen to actual artists like Whokilledxix who do their own lyrics. Because its the 5 star stake compared to the mcdouble.

[cobalt arch]

If both are order by McDs they are both bad.

The meat has a crazy high acid content because thta what McDs wants. Is my point.
Because the meat has been changed no matter what you do, you're still getting the worst of fast food problems. It's not in their cooking style or added x
It's the meat itself and the bad shit they put in it.

[cobalt arch]

So you're already bias on music. So thats not a good test for you. You' d need to be a generalist.

[tame carbon]

I am a generalist
I like listening to music, no matter what, as long as it is made by a human.
I don’t want to listen to auto-generated meaningless garbage.

[cerulean sinew]

We're trying to make an analogy of "quality" not talk about the specifics of why different cuts of meat on the same animal has different values

[tame carbon]

by your logic I should just eat raw cashews (which are poisonous to humans) because they’re the same as cooked ones

[cobalt arch]

Yes the qualty of meat today all meat. Vs 40 years ago is massive differents. Doesnt' atter the cut or where you buy it from. It not the same.

So saying Eating at McDs vs at home which was the start of this means very little.

[cobalt arch]

Nope. but if the rare ones are changed to be always poisonous then I'd stop eating them both is my point. Or atleast know McD is selling the same meat as the market or restraunt. While you can get a better cut. It's from the same cows

[tame carbon]

that’s not the point😭😭😭

the point is that no matter how you spin it, ai negatively impacts art in at least some degree

[cobalt arch]

It is mine. If people think eating at McDs is some how healthier than at home it's not ture in most cases. It's the same foods. While you can say but at home I can use less salt. You can request less salt at McDs too.
There is little diff at McDs or at home if it's the same meat.

[cobalt arch]

So did computers

So did cameras and printers

and record players, and cds, and tvs and the internet

It's also made it easier for everyoen to access and enjoy not just the experts

[tame carbon]

it’s not the same

[cobalt arch]

Why not

[tame carbon]

oh god please don’t say you’re pulling out the democratizing art card 🥲🥲

[cobalt arch]

Remember not even 140 years ago we didn't even have photography. So just on a curve of art jobs there are more today than ever before. Even with all these advancements.

[cerulean sinew]

That isnt the point. The 5 star steak has a percived higher value than a mcdonalds hamburger because there is a percived difference in quality.

The same can be said about art. Original art has added value because hours have been pourd into it.

While AI images arent original, are controversial because artists can lose their jobs as writers, illustrators and animators from it.

[tame carbon]

also because the steak probably tastes better since yknow it was made by a chef and not nasty frozen patties with tons of artificial ingredients

[cobalt arch]

So you listen to lots of 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80s music and read lot of their books?

[tame carbon]

Not really

[cobalt arch]

Original.. value is in the eye of the beholder

Just watch Antiques Road show

[tame raft]

This might not be the best place for this discussion. Possibly separate the discussion of ai art away from this showcase and the work cyberaxe has down here.

[tame carbon]

#off-topic

[cerulean sinew]

Actually yes. I listen to a lot of old music and read a lot of old books. I reccomend doing that.

Also watch old anime.

[tame carbon]

I tried to move it there

[cobalt arch]

Will you delete this post

[tame raft]

I don't have the powers 🤷🏻‍♂️ 😂

[cerulean sinew]

First can you apologize for calling me a biggot?

Seriously, that was a bit overkill. And its very politically charged.

[tame carbon]

^

[cobalt arch]

Who does?

[west granite]

I do

[cobalt arch]

thank you. and sorry to waste your time

[tame carbon]

Don’t delete it please

[cerulean sinew]

Can you ask cyber to stop calling people bigots?

[west granite]

Can I ask you to stop starting arguments?

[cerulean sinew]

I didnt even start it this time. @_@

[mystic niche]

What was the first message in this post?

You were already warned for this, just drop the topic.

[west granite]

#1237111274308112405 message

[west granite]

Sure seems like you did, tbh

[cerulean sinew]

Still. That didnt warrant a politically charged slur.

[tame carbon]

^

[west granite]

No, no it did not. But you do not need to antagonize cyber to get that out of him, either.

[cerulean sinew]

I tried to and apologized

[tame carbon]

they saw the use of ai and spoke up about it.
I feel like speaking up against ai doesn’t count as harassment- it’s a serious issue and considering they’re an artist, I don’t blame them for being made uncomfortable by its usage.

[cerulean sinew]

Sorry for dragging it on here. I wanted to end the toxicity between the OP and me.

[tame carbon]

we weren’t trying to cause drama

[cerulean sinew]

Politics shouldnt have even been mentioned. -_-

[tame carbon]

it’s just ai is a very very sore subject for artists like me and xassassin

I tried to keep it civil, and all three of us were pretty civil as well I’d say

[cerulean sinew]

Except for the use of politcal slurs which was started by cyber.

[tame carbon]

I wouldn’t exactly call bigot a slur, just it’s not an appropriate thing to call someone unless they’re actually being bigotted

And you were absolutely not

[cerulean sinew]

Its used like a slur in political context. Deserved or not, its not something anyone should use in a minecraft related topic.

[tame carbon]

yeah it absolutely wasn’t deserved whatsoever

that was seriously not cool

[cobalt arch]

So now you're going to take it to the general chat?

[cerulean sinew]

I'm trying to end the arguement and beef against each other. Not move it.

[cerulean sinew]

I dont want any hate or to spread hate towards you.

[cobalt arch]

While I understand this is hard for you. I stand by my words, this is the real world, and based on our interactions, in my assessment doing this daily this feels targeted since it's the 2nd+ time having these issue it's a red flag for me and I've learned to follow my rules on red flags.

So I'd like to see time pass before I change my mind and reevaluate.

While you might not have ment it that's way, it's how the words come across as a curse and it's a pattern of delivery and messaging those who make HD, Bedrock(Blockbench community), And now Ai content see often, it's not acceptable to me. No one should be in fear of sharing in a showcase.

Some people might just struggle it off as no big deal just words, but I wont, I've seen over 4+ years how toxic it is and words have meanings. If you are throwing around curses likes its nothing then you need to be ready for people to react to them and their messages.

"You are not welcome here." - is the message being told when you curse someone's art for those who don't follow the "correct art path".
People are so worried about Ai taking jobs, but we can't even post art without curses today without ai involved.

If art is so important than why are you cursing it so much when you dont' think it belongs in minecraft. So now it's not just Ai, or HD its anything not minecraftie..
See how the subject changes but the curse is the same.

So for now I'll wait to see your actions before I change my mind. In my world view actions speak louder than words. Trust but only with action pattern verification.

So if you don't continue this action I'll happy apology, forgive and write it off as a miss evaluation, maybe even unblock you.

[zinc plaza]

average discordian argument

[zinc plaza]

bro u sound like the biggest nerd at the moment ngl

im not tryina start an argument but jeez

[cerulean sinew]

Ok. If you use that language against me again. I will make sure to report it. And to let the staff here know about it.

This isnt a place for politically charged slurs, especially over something so small.

I used to hold respect for you, but you can't even apologize.

Its shameful.

You talk about hate like I'm guilty, yet you spit on the faces of actual artists and call people bigoted for disagreeing.

Even after they walk back their arguements and apologize. You cant seem to get off your high horse and apologize for saying some crazy shi- about me.

I'm dissapointed.

Im ashamed, and you should feel ashamed yourself.

[worthy gale]

based

keep Ai art outta here

[dull schooner]

To think this all started with one comment

[cerulean sinew]

There are good usecases for AI, making models and "art" isnt one of them.

[somber cedar]

pretty cool. Its always interesting to see the limits you push the game to.

might check out that website myself. seems pretty cool

[near wagon]

"dismissive feedback" or "unconstructive feedback" would have way less harsh than using words like "bigot" or "bigotry." My friends from the UK said that such terms can be as offensive as serious swear words in negative contexts there, so in my opinion shouldn't be used here in this server in any context.

[cerulean sinew]

Not to mention how politically charged that is in the US.

[near wagon]

I personally don't like the word being used in the server, its one thing to say a curse word, its another entirely to say the word Bigot.

[cerulean sinew]

That kinda relates to a side of politics that I am completely against

[near wagon]

I don't really understand, but doesn't really matter. The overall conversation was kind of dumb anyways, shouldn't have even been an argument. The word shouldn't have been used, and the topic shouldn't have gotten so heated.

Besides all of that, it was an interesting read even just from an educational point of view lol, got to see some pretty interesting points of views from a few people.

[cerulean sinew]

Thats exactly my point

[somber cedar]

See if one of the admins will delete this and repost it.

This way all this extra stuff ain't here.

[dull schooner]

So to sum up cyber axe dude literally got heated for no reason and started slurring a guy out?

Seems pretty uncool.

[somber cedar]

Yall making things worse than what it actually is. Like fr

Dude made a post and got hate for using AI

And you expect him to not get defensive....

People are allowed to use whatever form of creation they want

You don't like it oh well. Keep your thoughts to yourself then. It's really that simple.

And as far as that word the definition doesn't state merely political usage

Which is what displayed by showing hate towards him for using Ai to create models and such

Like the old saying goes if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing.

Aggression and hate was displayed towards Cyber because he used AI to make some of his showcase. Amd the fact he didn't share the same views of "art" as others.

Which falls into the definition of that word

[somber cedar]

I truly want to see AI grow and evolve. I would personally use it over actual people for my project if I could

[cobalt arch]

However, if you're trying to provide a safe, fun, creative space for minecraft creators. You're doing a shit job at it because after this show. NO will ever want to showcase Ai content here. So you got what you wanted. You forced artists and devs out of the community

I quit minecraft dev because of this for 8 months and went over to UE5 discords and never once was cursed, or saw this hate. This is a cancer in the minecraft community and needs to be called what it is.

[somber cedar]

I'm so sorry you had such a horrible experience. I've personally quite enjoyed seeing the things you've made if it's any consolation.

[cobalt arch]

and IF I didn't love this so much I would have taking the hint years ago and left. But I LOVE Doing this. I love helping people. I love creating. It speaks to my soul and I belevie why I'm on this planet

I don't love being told my content is junk, trash, cursed, garbage, I'm garbage, trash.. should just quite is a common one... on an on. When I started is was 20-40 comments a week.

I've personally been told by prominent members of the community to STOP making guides because my HD content shows new creators it's ok to make HD trash like I do.

Not once but a few times.

[somber cedar]

Isn't there also HD type stuff on the Marketplace as well....

Like texture packs

[dull schooner]

Why are you pinging me with aldat, I'm not here to argue nor do I care to

Now your coming at me for no reason

[cobalt arch]

oh sorry. I'll repost it

[cobalt arch]

I was trying to comment on your summary.

[dull schooner]

Well to be fair too much has happened so I scimmed through and summed it up to what I thought I saw

[cobalt arch]

reposted without reply
You don't get to tell me what I experince as hate. Thats not how this works.

I've done this for 4+ years daily. And had to quit for 8 months because of the hate.

This users has been blocked by me
Report once already to mods and warned already.

They have commented on my showcases and my de-resources this hate.

I have personally pleaded with them to stop harrassing me

They have gone to my personal youtube channel and spread their hate there too.
Where I've had to also block them.

So they have followed me to
Showcases, Dev-resources, my person youtube and said these things after being requested many times to stop, by me and the mods.

I've reported them 2 times now and they continued again in this post for hours after the mods warned them a 3rd time to stop.

At which point they admitted this was harassment.
and
They would not stop until I met their demands.

And admitted this was all because they don't believe this content should be in minecraft. Then even admitting to acting out because of it.

What do you call someone who follows you around because you are a group of HD/Ai/Bridge developer? and only because they are these things? Who comments curses on my posts because I'm part of that group. As state not because of my art. But instead because I part of a group that does Ai/HD or x.

What do you call someone who follows you to your person pages, and your dev-resources and commands that hate over and over?

It's obsessed hate at a group of people because they don't belong in Minecraft. "You aren't welcome here. "

It's clear bigotry and hate at a group of people because of their choice style of art.

and it's ongoing after repeated pleas to stop by me and the mods.

You might as well put up signs saying

"NO HD/AI Devs allowed here" Get out.

What is this called?

It's called hate.

and you dont' get to tell me how I experience hate and bigotry.

It's very simply don't want to be called out. don't post your hate on my posts or youtube channels.

I don't go to your posts and tell you how trash or cursed your content is. Because thats wrong and hateful.

If you have constructive feedback about my alien in this addon or a better way to solve my problem the video is about great I welcome that feedback and need it.

If you however only want to tell me to get out and leave. Then please dont.
I've gotten the message and already left this server once before because of the ongoing hate.

I wasn't back for 1 day before I started getting it again. At which point I filed a ticket to mods. Since then it's been better but still here and must be challenged.

You don't get to tell others what is or isn't allowed in Minecraft and if you are. You are a bigot. Trying to force them out with your repeated curses and hate is bigotry. Period.

Dont agree. Fine. Don't post on my posts then and Simply Respect my feels and oppions. I'm pleading for my mental health and others you PLEASE STOP!

If you don't respect my feels and pleas then you are... being hateful by continuing to curse people and make comments that violate the channel rules and showcase rules and cause them harm.

So many other people wont post in showcase because they are afraid of this hate MOB.

I dont' even want to post here because of this disrespect and constant mob rule even after many requests to stop and leave me alone... This ruins the server for me and makes me not want to be here.

So if your goal is to get me to leave. You're doing a great job at it

[cobalt arch]

Which is why I requested this entire channel be deleted. Because no one will take the time to read what is going on and learn. They will simply join the mob and restart the hell this is.

I don't want to come here. and it's not once been about my video and what I was doing in my video the the issues I was trying to solve.

Did any of you even watch the video?

No it's just Ai bad. CyberAxe Bad...

[somber cedar]

I did

I genuinely thought it was cool

[cobalt arch]

Any feedback on the alien animals and how to solve my 2d issue with needing aliens in my game but no assets sites have them or anything close. You know the entire point of the showcase

[somber cedar]

I wish I did but I'm not that great at models myself.

I've usually commissioned things I couldn't do

[cobalt arch]

yeah I've tried making them a few times and they are horrible

I've not had good luck with commistions unless it's something more common

Getting skins for steve. Fine easy
Getting a alien space cretaure in semi hd. I'd have to hire a fiver artist and they can't do blockbench.

Then I'm stuck in using polymeshes.

[somber cedar]

Yeah I've used Fivver myself

[cobalt arch]

I paid for some music I wrote to be made on fiver, after weeks and $$ it's still BAD. Ai did it in a few minutes

[dull schooner]

Well let's be fair you did make a video on one of the most controversial topics of all time + may have been a little extreme when adress and handling the situation

I'm not saying I pick a side but its just a thought

[somber cedar]

For me personally when it comes to more detail on entities I make them larger than needed use the per face texturing then use the scale component in the entity file

[cobalt arch]

All the previous comment this user made was about HD. Not Ai.
Is HD also the most controverial. How about using bridge. or bedrock.?

So I get hate from the anti-ai, anti-HD, anti-bridge and anit-blockbench.

It just so happeneds they are the same people. 99% of the time.
The "only what I think should be in minecraft is allowed" group

If you do anything else I'm going to tell you about it group...
Thats hate.

[somber cedar]

Cyber if you would want to talk in dms we can. Maybe we could brainstorm something that could work for ya

Maybe ping an admin to delete this

[cobalt arch]

or join my server

We brain storm there alto

[cobalt arch]

I have 3 times

They see value in it I guess because others asked it be kept

[somber cedar]

@river ledge please delete this forum post as it has gone completely out of hand. The poster has rights to not have this be dragged on

Regardless of what anyone else thinks

[cobalt arch]

No one but admins have been brave enough to post Ai content. IMO because they are all afraid of the MOB

[somber cedar]

Dm me a link I'll join then currently driving lol

[cobalt arch]

Its why I had to create my own server so I could post Minecraft HD/Ai content since it's not welcome here.

[dull schooner]

Can't cyber delete it himself?

[cobalt arch]

nope. I can only delete my OP message. which is will just make it all worse

[dull schooner]

Well that's stupid

Something user posted should be delete-able

[cobalt arch]

Yep. when I leave a server I want to remove all my guides and content. But I have to have mods do it.

Using a bot to delete all your content is agaisnt TOS

[tame carbon]

yikes.

[somber cedar]

Is that a problem....

Maybe cause the the ai wouldn't need to take breaks or cost tons of money or needs weeks to complete stuff. It would do as directed with no back talk or excuses.

[tame carbon]

replacing art with machines is just nasty

[somber cedar]

Well your opinion is irrelevant.

I could care less about all the extra bs. If it does what I need and does it effectively and efficiently and at a better cost then it's worth it.

People have the freedom to choose how they want to go about things you don't like it oh well. It's not your project so your opinion doesn't matter.

[tame carbon]

if you want a lower quality final result, sure.

enjoy your ai slop for all I care. Keep it FAR away for me.

[somber cedar]

gladly

your just mad cause people prefer ai over a person

[tame carbon]

genuinely how though

ai is so dogshit

[somber cedar]

in your opinion

0 facts

[tame carbon]

sure it looks good from a distance but if you look at it up close it’s so sloppy

[somber cedar]

ive seen plenty of ai create quality work

[tame carbon]

did you look at it up close lmao

[somber cedar]

your just mad it can eventually make the need for people like you useless

[tame carbon]

it’s nothing but meaningless slop that resembles art on the surface but with no value

[somber cedar]

again ur opinion

[tame carbon]

Ai is the very antithesis of art

[tame carbon]

ai is devoid of humanity

[somber cedar]

so what

ur point is

dont need humanity

so dont waste ur time trying to change my mind

i could care less about it honestly

if someone wants to use AI they have every right regardless of your feelings about it

[tame carbon]

ok enjoy your meaningless slop

[somber cedar]

i will thank you

ill enjoy it greatly

after all in the end all art is is just paper and color

[tame carbon]

you are missing the fucking point of art then

[somber cedar]

dont care

[worthy gale]

yes

[somber cedar]

tough dont care

AI on TOP!!!!

[worthy gale]

Ah yes because instead of actually gaining some skill in becoming good at art I'll gain some extra pounds by letting Ai do the work for me 😇

[somber cedar]

blah blah blah thats all i hear

ai on top

all i hear is complaining

like imagine being such a loser you judge people for how they choose to create things

also since when did exercising become part of drawing?(Making argument invalid)

bro didnt think his arguement through before typing lmfao

[worthy gale]

1: since when did I say anything remotely related to "exercising"
all I said is basically that Art takes a bit of skill to get good at, that's basically it,

2: sorry that I and a number of others who want to make content don't want a bunch of sentient toasters to replace us in the content creator community, people who actually rely on AI for art are some of THE most pathetic people to ever walk this planet,

[somber cedar]

to sum up what you said cry cry cry whine whine whine

get good then

whats pathetic is shaming people for using tools to make things easier

idc what ur views on art are.

u and the other crybaby artists should have minded ur own business. If your so worried about being replaced improve your skill to rival the bots.

If you cant then oh well such as life. And you think belittling someone for their choice is gonna encourage people to use an actual person its gonna do the complete opposite.

It only shows the coldhearted behavior of people like you

Such hate towards someone's choice is absolutely pathetic in a game community where creativity is supposed to be embraced. If someone chooses to use Ai that's their perogative and should not be belittled because of it. I've used Ai to write code that would have taken me days maybe even weeks to do by hand due to my irl life. So using Ai is not lazy it allows people to get things done easier. And to assume they won't learn anything is pathetic. Everyone learns differently. There's an entire server that uses am ai bot to make textures for various things[items,armor, gui, ect] and is thriving (3.7k members currently). So clearly many enjoy the freedom of creativity with Ai as it allows for frequent changes without having to fork out a fortune to pay someone. And can produce results within far less time. You complain about Ai replacing artists like yall the only ones that have been affected by such things. Jobs have been getting replaced for yrs by machines and such. It's part of life and the evolution of technology. You just have to deal with it. It's inevitable your not stopping progress.

So I'm going to finish it with this. You don't like a person's methods of creating things that's fine. But keep your hate comments to yourself.

[cerulean sinew]

Its irrelevant because companies dont care about artists. They just want to make money from them.

If a company doesnt need to pay artists/animators/translators/show writers, guess what? They wont.

Those projects up the coorprate ladder is just another funnel of money. An expensive one to maintain.

AI should be a tool, while companies use it as a replacement.

That's why artists universally dont like it

[somber cedar]

Well why shouldn't they be allowed to do so if it means lower costs.

Gonna use my project as an example.
I make no money from it nor plan to monetize it. Using Ai saves me money. Why should I be forced to use a real person to make the stuff I need? Just to make yall happy? Why should I fork out money and then have to wait a week plus to get a result? If the ai produces something I'm happy with that's what matters to me. I don't have the luxury of extra time to spend focusing on learning how to make the textures decently as i have irl responsibilities that take a majority of my time. So ai allows me to get what I need quickly and in alot of cases in a quality I'm happy with.

So again why should your feelings trump my need to conserve money and potentially use it towards other more important aspects of my project?

[somber cedar]

At the end of the day all any of you artists have done on this post is show your cold hearted toxic nature towards those who don't side with your views by spewing hate, slinging insults and such towards those who think differently. So good job on that you created more of a reason for people to use ai.

[tame carbon]

I’m sorry for your loss

loss of IQ that is

ai is lazy. If you want to make something creative, do it for the passion of the craft, don’t run to your slop machine and regurgitate a worthless, deformed mass of pixels.

[somber cedar]

Again all I hear is blah blah blah

U just mad people prefer bots over whiney people like urself

[tame carbon]

Everything you make with ai is worthless

[tame carbon]

I’m sorry you don’t understand what art is really about and just want a quick dopamine hit from seeing your mass-produced images generate. Is that it?