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[crimson robin]

huh, apparently the Windows one is still not out

[echo furnace]

the web page is fetching the latest one

[undone linden]

that's what i've been sayin

[candid viper]

does anyone know any updated deferred rendering resource packs?

[lean umbra]

Define updated

[candid viper]

uses the colour grading stuff

[lean umbra]

Mines still in development. I doubt anyone has pushed it publicly yet

[candid viper]

oh

thanks

[velvet swift]

maybe poggys

but idk

ye on his discord theres a test version for download

[cunning onyx]

I am only noticing this now but

Sometimes my brightness gets real low when playing deferred

Whenever I look around

Thats probably why most people don’t like my deferred pics

Or think they look weird

[vivid dirge]

auto exposure

it changes brightness depending on what you look at

[cunning onyx]

Ye

[vivid dirge]

its an intended feature

[cunning onyx]

Noooo

I can barely see anything at noon

With it

[vivid dirge]

adjust your colour grade to fix it :p

or mess with the other jsons

[simple tendon]

just came back reading 1/3rd of the Microsoft docs related to both resource packs and behaviour packs combined

Never knew it was that easy to make behaviour packs lol

[peak minnow]

[warm frigate]

Hmmm... Is this version of BDS doesn't come out yet?

[echo furnace]

still not released

[warm frigate]

okay

[undone linden]

word

[lean umbra]

😅 Ik Ik I'm complaining, but, really hoping v2 of custom components will come soon with parameter support because making 3 different classes for this will be a pain just to accomodate air, water, fire

Man...it is weird on_use_on is for blocks only. Wonder if they get playerInteractWithEntity out into stable we'll get an equivalent for entities....

@safe gazelle , is the new onCompleteUse for minecraft:on_use_duration_complete or minecraft:on_consumed? Or both?

[echo plank]

Probably because entities already have on_interact

[lean umbra]

Ok...but I don't want to edit vanilla entities

[echo plank]

Yeah, things like that would help

It would be cool to have a blocks.json-like file to apply custom components to vanilla blocks also… Lots of possibilities, not game breaking as directly editing vanilla blocks…

[echo furnace]

well you can always use for loops and arrays so it complexity is always 1 + for loop

[lean umbra]

Small issue, there is no way to detect what kind of liquid to place unless i make the users add the tag component and add a custom tag so now instead of configuring in one component they have to configure two

[echo furnace]

Sorry, i do not understand the scenario i guess

[safe gazelle]

on_consumed is still coming. This week I think. And that should be the last Item event.

[lean umbra]

👍 Gotcha, Seems like onCompleteUse will have to do for now, seems very similar in function

[rare turtle]

is on_consumed a scripting event or item component?

[lean umbra]

Well, it was an item component to trigger and event. But it will be moved to scrippting

[rare turtle]

So if I can't change player BP AC.. then items are useless without scripting?

Because I can't detect item used

[lean umbra]

Yeah...essentially

[rare turtle]

and blocks are pretty useless without scripting because no interaction
Since no player BP AC in worldless addons.

That seems to add up to, you can't make money doing marketplace unless you're doing scripting. (atleast in worldless addons)

Am I getting this right?

[agile marsh]

Depends on the add-on, but yeah a lot of mechanics are a lot easier, or only possible with scripting

[rare turtle]

So the barrier to entry is higher and those not doing scripting are being forced out...

Seems like someone predicted this... being the goal..

[neon merlin]

Idk why so many people are against this change. This opens up so many possibilities. The main argument I saw was people refusing to learn scripting...

Or "scripting is super hard"

[agile marsh]

The barrier didn't get higher in the marketplace. Standalone worlds can still go without relying on scripts

From the marketplace perspective, no mechanics have been made harder

[next cove]

Performance and complexity of doing simple things were also broad up

[rare turtle]

Other than for worldless addons....

[agile marsh]

Which are new

[rare turtle]

The big money maker right now

[neon merlin]

The old stuff was bad tho...

[rare turtle]

As I hear it performance is not better.

[next cove]

Yeah, it wasn't as flexible and was buggy. But it was also much easier to use and provided better performance

[neon merlin]

I just like the move to scripts

[agile marsh]

Still depends on the use case imo

[neon merlin]

Yea some stuff is a bit more complicated now like crops but it's worth the shot.

[agile marsh]

Is it? Do we have any statistics on that?

[rare turtle]

You can check the chats. I beleive that was from Mojang not me. Something about the scripting api gateway

being a bottleneck

[agile marsh]

That didn't answer my question

[next cove]

I'm also glad that bedrock finally got proper scripting (even though I don't like JS), but I'm not a fan of scripting being developed a "silver bullet" that can solve all problems, while ignoring/deprecating other systems.

[neon merlin]

I see.

[agile marsh]

Tbf said systems were experimental

[neon merlin]

For a long time.

[next cove]

Would they have been deprecated if we didn't have scripting?

[neon merlin]

I think they would do other methods or reworked it somehow.

[agile marsh]

They remained experimental for a reason

They weren't happy with it

[rare turtle]

All I know is the future looks bleek for me in bedrock dev.

[agile marsh]

Opposite

A lot more is possible with this

[rare turtle]

If you do scripting.

I can't.

[agile marsh]

Yes you can

You just have to learn

[rare turtle]

Not able

[agile marsh]

Yes you are

[neon merlin]

What do you mean "not able"?

[next cove]

True, scripting was just a much simpler solution, so they went the easy route instead of developing systems further so that they can be used in their niche use cases where scripting doesn't suffice

[agile marsh]

You're not stupid

[rare turtle]

lol we're not all the same and we don't all have the same brains

[agile marsh]

If you have a brain, you can learn

[rare turtle]

What easy for you is NOT easy for everyone

[rare turtle]

That is false and you know it.

[agile marsh]

I started when I was 12 so yes I have an advantage

[neon merlin]

Scripting isn't that difficult to learn tho..

[rare turtle]

Thats like saying if you have legs you are play in the NFL

[agile marsh]

But you can start from anywgere

[agile marsh]

Sure you can. Train

No excuses

[rare turtle]

For you with your type of brain. Assume because it's not that hard for you, it's not hard for others means you don't understand how differnent we all are.

[rare turtle]

I started trying to learn to code in 1986.

[agile marsh]

Don't use your brain as an excuse. We can all learn anything

[rare turtle]

Still haven't done it

I have 40 years of failures to prove it doesnt' work for me

[agile marsh]

keep going

[next cove]

It's very easy to get started, but imo JS in particular is very hard to learn on the advanced level. It just has so much useless stuff that you have to dig for in ecmascript...

[neon merlin]

But do you need the advanced stuff for Bedrock's Scripting API?

[next cove]

You probably don't need all that undocumented/deprecated functionality, but the fact that it's there and you can't learn it without going through hell is what bothers me, other languages document everything properly

[neon merlin]

That sounds like a pain.

[lean umbra]

Give up veka, you'll never 100% learn all of JS's runtime features and whatnot

[agile marsh]

Yeah I continue to learn new things about JS

[rare lichen]

Oh look its our scripting argument time 😄

[neon merlin]

^^'

[next cove]

Runtimes? Yeah no way, a new one appears every 6 month. But the base JS functionality is possible to learn... In like 2 years studying full time

[agile marsh]

You don't have to understand everything. Just enough

[rare lichen]

Yes you probably need to know scripting to create an Add-On for the marketplace because it has the least chance for colission and has the most stable feature set realistically without resorting to "jank" solutions with state machines in animation controllers.

[neon merlin]

player.jason won't be missed at all

[agile marsh]

Still some things missing before we can drop that

[neon merlin]

yep.

[next cove]

Actor properties as the only way of sending data to the client will be missed tho

[neon merlin]

Oh, that.

[agile marsh]

In the context of marketplace add-ons, you wouldn't be able to take advantage of that anyway

[next cove]

You would, by controlling states of attachables

[agile marsh]

/playanimation ?

[next cove]

Doesn't affect attachables

[agile marsh]

A

[next cove]

*attachable geometry

[agile marsh]

Yup still missing stuff

Although I'm not sure how that can be resolved

dynamic properties aren't built for client side shenanigans

[next cove]

Registering actor properties without player.json?

Or some kind of separate interface for syncing dynamic properties, but then what do you do with actor properties except deprecating

[agile marsh]

But what if

items had actor properties

That would be a lot more flexible than adding properties to the player

[lean umbra]

Items having actor properties? Or just item states like blocks

[agile marsh]

properties

[next cove]

That'd solve the attachable problem, but imo per-player properties can still be useful in other scenarios, such as playing animation that does something depending on property

[neon merlin]

What would it be used for?

[agile marsh]

Ask Veka

[next cove]

Animating attachables without editing player JSON to add actor properties

[agile marsh]

Couldn't you just pass a variable via molang?

[spare haven]

Much more versatile than skin ID, variant, & mark variant

[next cove]

Yeah but what if you need to play animation once and keep it going, while it constantly fetches property data

[agile marsh]

Times like these where it would be great if you could dynamically run molang from the server

[next cove]

Playing animation over and over to sync data is the kind of "jank" that scripting was supposed to eliminate

[lean umbra]

Looking forward to 1.25 where mojang will implement Beta Client APIs

[agile marsh]

Molang++

[next cove]

++ better not mean deprecated

[agile marsh]

:)

jk

[lean umbra]

Correct, we're replacing it with Nolang

[next cove]

Noooo

Idk how mojang manages to only remove my favorite APIs

[agile marsh]

On the bright side everything molang is now stable (I think)

[next cove]

Except temp leaking

Not an official feature, but it deserves to be

[agile marsh]

We need a good solution for server-client communication

player.setMolang would be so cool (and something for commands too I guess)

[next cove]

And for per-client rendering. get_nearby_entities could've been the solution, but then we wouldn't be excited for client scripting

[agile marsh]

If we had setMolang, would that help?

It sets a molang variable specific to the player's client

[next cove]

Sure, but it'd also prevent you from doing that with just a resource pack

Client-side molang query doesn't have that limitation

[agile marsh]

Could you give an example?

[next cove]

get_nearby_entities I mean

[agile marsh]

Yeah but how does that help with per-client rendering?

[next cove]

Loop through nearby players until you find the one with q.is_local_player

Then you can query any data from that player reference

[lean umbra]

Veka, you should just write a blog or make a video describing how client scripting would work and what you would like to see...like how i did for world generation

[agile marsh]

Can you give an example case that's resource pack only?

I'm trying to figure out a scenario for this

[next cove]

Holding a sword displays damage values that you can potentially deal above mob heads, which also factors their gear

[agile marsh]

Ah. Well, they did make it clear that they don't want entity references in molang, so I wonder what they'd do to make that possible

[next cove]

No idea, I think we'd need some entirely new solution to it

q.client_player entity reference would've been great

[agile marsh]

Client scripting my beloved

But apart from that, maybe something like what they did for rider data

But that's more limited

[next cove]

Per-frame evaluation could've also been useful. Imagine a mirror that displays player geo, which is animated exactly in sync with your own model

Client scripts ain't running at frame rate frequency

I think the best solution we can hope for is a query for reading variables from client player, and some kind of mechanism to set variables on player from BP, but without playanimation jank

[agile marsh]

Why do you think so?

[next cove]

How often do you see watchdog warnings when the script runs at 20 TPS? Now imagine that but at 1000 fps

[agile marsh]

I forgot that FPS exists

[crimson robin]

I’ve been waiting for that for almost two years 😭

[calm sorrel]

Learned in 2 months, but half the time spent learning typescript.

[calm sorrel]

Atleast enough to work in, I hate people when they make excuses saying they can't learn how to program - because with enough motivation you certainly can. I had no choice but to learn it as fast as humanly possible for my work.

[wheat ridge]

You are right but that is not a excuse to not learn, unless you have a medical report saying you are missing one half of your brain and may have difficulty learning you can learn

[rare turtle]

I've tried to learn 20+ code langs, I got "learn Java in 30 days" in 1998. I can cache in my brain enough of the basics for a few days, while I'm doing that project.
But once do anything else it's gone, that means to be a "coder, programmer" with my brain, I'd have to only do that in my life All of it. Since I can't put all my efforts in to JS once I stop doing it for more than a few days its Just gone. All of it, each time I come back I have to relearn it over. This also applies to most bedrock dev which is why I use bridge and have made 250 guides of how to do everything I learn to do... So I can use them...

Im not kidding, I have to use my own guides very often because once I "learn" it use it then move on, it's gone. I have to reprocess that information each time I need it.

Pros and cons:

Pro: Because I carry very little in my memory at any given time all my memory and CPU goes to what I'm doing right now in this project or moment.

Cons. I don't remember who any of you are for more than a few days once we've stopped interacting. This goes for more the people in my life. I live 99% right now. everything I need for the past in documented, or in SOPs.

I'm certified in python but couldn't right a line of code, I've do massive XML, html, css, sharepoint, infopath, and countless massive projects, but couldn't provide any information about them now. it's all gone, Ive coded in langs you've never heard and OS's few have ever used.

Doesn't means anything. Once I stop doing that code lang it's gone.
So while I understand how your brains work, most my friends and people I work with process things the same way. I do not.
I'm like a dorry fish. from that movie.

Also the meds I'm on to manage my pain and get me out of bed are pretty powerful. But I've had these issues since I was a kid, I did horrible in schools because I can't pass a test to save my life. It's mostly memorization. This is why my spelling is so bad. And I misspell the same words over and over. I have done this my entire life.

[calm sorrel]

It sounds tough having to relearn information for each project and rely so heavily on your guides. I can only imagine how challenging that all must be for you. I apologize for sounding inconsiderate before, but in my previous life experiences when people say they can’t learn scripting / programming or learn to do X, it’s due to laziness or unwillingness or lack of motivation. Clearly, that’s not the case with you.

[rare turtle]

It is, but it allows me to use the brain power differently, think speak vs hammer.
Last week I was an incident investigator and stopped some bad guys.
This week I'm a bedrock Developer and consultant, Next week I have orders for Sandblaster custom glass art. 24/7 I'm on call for IT support have been for 24 years now. At any moment I could go rebuild a data farm. Or a tacobell. lol

The reason I can do Bedrock "so well" is I can simply open bridge with nothing in my head and it's all there in the app. I just click some drop down menus and options and jump to blockbench to do some edits and we're creating. Very little memory needed. I can't do this with JS...

To note, Most people also think, well if you just had people in your life that could help you.

Zooko, Za, and Nate are my cousins and we all grow up together. They are all professional programmers and cipher punks, they created zcash.

Nate took my learn Java in 30 days book in 1998 after I failed, and did learn it. It speaks to him. He's an expert coder and does "real" programming.
Where the IT, visuals and hardware speaks to me so I did the IT, networking, hardware repair, windows installs, and setup the games/hosting.
They did the programming and coding..
So I had/have access to the experts, didn't help me.

[calm sorrel]

I mean, that's amazing being amble to adapt like that, for me that wouldn't be something, I'd easily be able to do.

Zcash, that's pretty interesting!

[rare turtle]

Yeah I tried very hard to do python full time on a project with them, https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahoe-LAFS
I brought the decentralized DFS to Windows and used it for my clients.

To give you some idea. If I would have been able to "code" I'd be a multi millionaire right now in a large house... There was no shortage of incentive. lol Funny when you get old and can see the other paths you could have taken.
Everyone telling me everyday just learn to code... Me looking at failing at learning to code and missing out on millions others around me made.
I know, I know. Learn to code.

[lusty flint]

Python 2 or Python 3? 😅

[rare turtle]

2 then, all the dependencies for 3 weren't supported at the time.

[lusty flint]

Ouch.

[rare turtle]

Check it here https://github.com/Jbenisek/tahoe-lafs

[lusty flint]

Even Python 3's minor versions have some huge changes, but it's mostly additions and deprecations.

[rare turtle]

yeah getting it on windows was a nightmare.

I think it was 2.6?

[lusty flint]

I have a CLI tool for managing Python versions. 😅

[rare turtle]

But I did it, and ran it on windows servers even in production for a while.

[lusty flint]

Like I need to update a project to 3.12 and that means going through and fixing all my type aliases and generics to use the new syntax.

[rare turtle]

2.6 was horrible, windows now it's no big deal, it's easy to install. but back then it was a pain, I think to get this installed was 20 steps or something.
But working on this project at a ticker mill/maker space/hacker space.. with a large group of programmers and engineers was epic fun. If you have a hacker space/maker space in your town which many do, you should check it out.

[cold terrace]

Anyone know if custom components are stable in 1.21?

[grave sluice]

Nothing yet but most likely will be

[lean umbra]

Not 1.21

[hoary elbow]

it actually seems to do something else too? after enabling it and testing with a pack I have to reproduce the pink textures the game leaks memory super fast and crashes with it disabled, enabling it makes it run totally fine, memory leak still seems to be there but not to the extreme that you get when pink textures start appearing

[safe gazelle]

Looking more like 1.21.10 for stable

[undone linden]

oooh

[echo plank]

great!

[undone linden]

HCF counting its days

[cold terrace]

sounds good, thanks!

and i’d take it from that, that HCF will be gone around then

[lean umbra]

unless the playerIbteractwithBlock curse passes onto custom components

[undone linden]

correct me if i'm wrong but block and item events are all that's left in it?

[neon merlin]

I think so? Entity permutations?

[cold terrace]

O I found something interesting with thar component

[safe gazelle]

The bugs affecting playerinteract are different than anything on custom components AFAIK

[cold terrace]

I don’t have anything connecting the interact component to json, there’s no interact component in the block at all

in the script there is

[lean umbra]

Game dev is very intriguing

[cold terrace]

and it plays the animation

[lean umbra]

Known issue

[cold terrace]

and does everything like normal

oh dang, I honestly kinda like it like that

I’m sure there’s issues with doing it that way though

[safe gazelle]

it really is

[lean umbra]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-179928

[sage hemlock]

(MCPE-179928) Any Custom Component makes blocks interactable

Reported by

SmokeyStack

Status

To Do (Open)

Resolution

Unresolved

[lean umbra]

God i love this bot

[cold terrace]

lol

What if they just remove this feature since they have the custom component version of it?

Oh and Smokey, have you did any testing with the custom component player interact with block, if so, does it do the interact animation?

[lean umbra]

Thats a bad idea. Custom components are only for custom blocks

[cold terrace]

Right right

Got it

[lean umbra]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1231356867842936903

[cold terrace]

The animations really working?

wow

The only thing is I’d hope they’d make it only do the animation when the conditions are met

that’s been an issue in multiplayer when it was on the json side, and an issue in with player interact with block. Based off of your video, it still does it