Well I didn't sleep all night, but it was worth it, right? Procedular World Gen - Script API + PBR

[pulsar sage]

Yes, I know I posted an older post recently, but I got new juice overnight and made quite a bit of progress. I won't elaborate too much but here are a few points I want to mention.

• Improved Trees
• Add more tree types
• Trees are now procedular
• Add flowers and short grass
• I made a generation hard coded, when you open a world it generates and safely teleports you on the ground
• Last Post: https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1229161521368797374

Enjoy my Deferred version of images!

Rivers and Streams are comming soon!

[tired ingot]

Why. ||Why this is so damn GOOD||

[tender blaze]

this is insane wth

[pulsar sage]

Thanks a lot.
Give as many likes as you can. 🥰

I'd love to have a shot at the next Banner vote. 😅

It's my first project that has a chance, or so I think.

[hexed karma]

love it

[acoustic granite]

how minecraft should look😔

[tired ingot]

I would download this images and use them as a wallpaper

[pulsar sage]

sure 👍

[reef saffron]

This is pretty cool

[dense jewel]

Awesome

[slim gulch]

Will this be working in survival?

[pale plume]

Awesome!

Still using your own server software?

Is everything open src?

[pulsar sage]

Nah its vanilla script api

we are not allowed to post non vanilla things in #1046947779118895114 since BAO is about addons

[pulsar sage]

i can pretty easely add it to that custom serversoft ware as well, but i am not working on that project anymore, it was just fun project

[pulsar sage]

ya, it kinda does, but no ores are generated and no caves as well

i found a nice lake so let me share it here

[slim gulch]

There will be waterfalls?

[acoustic granite]

🧢

thats really stupid

ive seen tons of people posting stuff on servers

Servers basically do the same stuff as add-ons, i think youre talking about mods

or were you talking about his mod thingys no idea

[pulsar sage]

well, thats kinda not possible, but i am trying to improve these things, well since worlds are Procedular and minedcraft is chunk based, than youn dont have enought resources to simulate water rivers and these waterfalls

[pulsar sage]

we are talking about non vanilla for example like BDSX plugins or c++ modding

[acoustic granite]

Ohhhh true

But BDSX plugins are still vanilla

Youre using what is already existing

[pulsar sage]

ya, but c++ moding also use what is in vanilla its still not a addon

Well here is Survival @slim gulch

[acoustic granite]

welll if u say so, most showcases if on server or not still aren't any different since they use the same animations, ac's or blocks etc you add-on creators use

[pulsar sage]

ask mods in that case

¯_(ツ)_/¯

this is what i think

[steep warren]

Hey @pulsar sage no worries this time, but please remember our 24 hours waiting period per showcase to allow visibility for all posts 😊

[pale plume]

Showing C++ modding stuff is totally fine

We did it recently here about json ui

No one complained

[pulsar sage]

Nice thats cool

[deep bridge]

Beautiful

[deep bridge]

will this be open source ?

i guess it will have to use alot of precomp resources to achieve that speed

[pulsar sage]

maybe one day

but i have old prototype code if you want from older posts

There is lib from github called FastNoise its pretty nice lib

[slim gulch]

Will the generation load faster and further in the future? Nice work really. And also will this work with normal worlds and generate vanilla structures?

[pulsar sage]

nah, its all is done via Script API, there is no way to make it faster and propably it won't change soon, structures are kinda diffrence since they could spawn in multple chunks so its hard to decide if the structure is already there is not for other chunks

Here is some kind of sea what i have found

[slim gulch]

cool

[slim gulch]

damn, cause imagine flying with elytras, it would be odd

its dope anyway

[pulsar sage]

ya, i wish i could do more 😭

but you can use it to pre-generate some maps or something like that

[steep warren]

Damn that’s a deep sea

[pulsar sage]

its also seed based you can kinda change seed in the middle of the generation

😅

[steep warren]

Cool!

You use structures to load chunks and other elements like trees?

[pulsar sage]

nah, trees are randomly generated

here is better look lmao

but some of them are good

[steep warren]

So you generate block per block?

[pulsar sage]

ya, but its kinda fast

[steep warren]

Woah, that’s crazy

[pulsar sage]

i compare, trees and generation with no trees, and there is like no difference

[limpid frost]

If only i could put render the distance beyond 10

[steep warren]

Would you like me to contribute with some good looking structures?

[pulsar sage]

Ya Also one problem is that its all Script API that means server sided, so max render distance is Simulation distance - 2

[limpid frost]

(Or if mojang just fucking added LODs)

[steep warren]

Yeah that’s unfortunate, but in your vid it renders really fast

[pulsar sage]

ya, for non elytra players its good enought

[pulsar sage]

well, there are two problems with structures

• I can't split them across the chunks
• If so, then i still can't read structures saved in bp via Script API

but good news are that i am not stopping here, i have plan on supporting json files for definition so you will be able to define your own trees and other on ground things. Maybe some kind of biomes but i am not able to override existing vanilla biomes so grass is going to look same

also my code is a bit mess, i have to splti classes to multiple files and manage some floating functions in my code 😅

[steep warren]

You can start with one-chunk structures to start getting around loading structures, I think that will be a good start! I feel like you should load them with .mcstructure files

Dang custom biomes will be fire when you get them added 👁️

[pulsar sage]

Thank to you all guys, but i have to rest rn, cus i slept for just 4 hours and i pretty tired 😂

[steep warren]

Yeah get some sleep, rest well!

[sly totem]

I can't wait for the final version of this

[pulsar sage]

Some one nuke my world 🤯

[tender blaze]

damn

[limpid frost]

ah, we can have hell on earth for bedrock edition!

[lean violet]

Are you using script api or did you use the server software

[pulsar sage]

Script API its vanilla only

[deep bridge]

@muted idol somebody beats you to it

[muted idol]

? I mean ive had stuff like this for ages xD

[pulsar sage]

what is going on lol?

[pale plume]

also.. is it everywhere so hilly?

Id rather build my base on a flat surface

[lean violet]

he can adjust it easily if he wanted

just the type of landscape he wanted to achieve

[pulsar sage]

Ya its still early state

[deep bridge]

oh XF

well ,this is the same idea you told me about

fast worldgen using JS

[pulsar sage]

its not that fast

[pale plume]

How fast is it?

[deep bridge]

It's as fast as Molang worldgen ?

[pale plume]

I don't think so...

[pale plume]

Dm would prolly just mod the vanilla world gen.. instead of using js scripting api

[deep bridge]

Not really,he told me about he made a faster than molang worldgen using only the js scripting api

...he even said he is going to make it a package ?

[pulsar sage]

did I?

[pale plume]

Id expect molang to be faster than quickjs...

But tbf.. worldgen is smth compilcated and the efficency as well as the performance might vary

[lean violet]

definitely not

[lean violet]

varies on how good the optimisation is, there’s a lot of optimisation techniques in procedural generation to create same outcomes but less time complexity

[pale plume]

I can't really talk about it cuz my scripting api, as well as molang, knowledge is next to zero

[pulsar sage]

well optimisation in procedular generation is not huge different, its a technic on how to use API to avoid useless api calls

[lean violet]

I mean more procedural generation in a broad sense

[pulsar sage]

oh ya

[muted idol]

First i said might. Second it is fast just due to tricks i did with it. The noise gen isnt random its a bunch of precomputed blended together lol

for setting blocks i was computing that smallest amount of sets i needed to do using cubes

[lean violet]

Nothing is truly random

In procedural generation

[muted idol]

ofc ofc but i meant that in the way of there is no complex noise gen happening. I was using a lazy computed low res perlin map to decide how to blend multiple maps that were generated with custom software that could do all the complex simulations to get nice looking terrain

[lean violet]

I was thinking of doing it

that

with bds

send a request to load a chunk

make it render in nodejs with much faster runtimes

then send the data back

[pulsar sage]

there is still problem with slow script api placement, cus that perlin calculation is not that slow

like compare to palcing blocks

[lean violet]

Hmm yeah it is mostly block placement tbh

[honest ivy]

Wow

[honest ivy]

Would you add ore gen?

And caves

[pulsar sage]

Propably not, or i dont want to, since i am not generating underground then thats the reason why its kinda fast, when you start generating things under ground then you are no longer able to use fillBlocks method, that means i have to iterate each block and thats really slow

[pale plume]

Might be better to pre calc the chunks in a certain radius to the already send ones

[pulsar sage]

Well i have kind more Minecrafty gen but i am still not able to mkae some parts more flat 😅

[lean violet]

Zoom in more on the noise

You have octaves, pitch and something else I think

One of them increases the zoom

the more u zoom in the less difference in the gradients are

making it flat

[pulsar sage]

zoom is not really solution the solution is easeing mapping, i was trying lot of zoom combinations but its never like the mc does

you need secon noise to control its height thats kinda solution but also its not that fancy, but it kinda works

[leaden pulsar]

this is amazing!

what noise does this use?

if i remember theres like fractal noise and perlin

[pale plume]

Some fast perlin lib iirc

[leaden pulsar]

ohh

does this use greedy meshing then fillBlocks or is it just setBlock per block

[pulsar sage]

its a combination of both for ground layer i use setBlock and under that laye i just fill bunch of blocks stone so no caves, no caves = more speed

[muted idol]

Yeah so compute the minimum amount of fills u need to do. Most of the time is spent getting the game to translate from js to native.

[muted idol]

I mean a greedy mesh like impl can actually handle caves and terrain

I did it for quite a nice perf boost

I'll be poke around with it again soon

[pulsar sage]

still if you add just one block 5 blocks per world pixel what is 16 per chunk then you already gets more like 250ms per chunk and for 4 chunks its already another second.

generating underground is jost not they way yet

[muted idol]

I mean i did it with an ordering system

It only generated caves when needed

[muted idol]

Also how r ur chunks that slow to gen? I was doing like 30ms per chunk a little ago and that includes building command strings

Also some form of burning system so the games mstp is always at 45 to 55 is ideal

By just setting up using globalThis

U can use unix time to calculate how long you have been running

[pulsar sage]

i am using system.runJob to srpead native complexity into different ticks so no lag spikes

well that example of 5 more blocks is a bit over Exaggerated another thing is that fillBlocks doesn't randomize blocks that are filled, so case will be pretty boring, and just one layer of random blocks being placed is also not super good, i think i am just avoid caves since now, maybe in the future i will try implementing them

thats just my opinion

[pulsar sage]

Well, I'm quite curious how fast your chunks would be generated and with the cave system.

Do you have like video or something?

[muted idol]

i have an old video yeah

1 sec

i posted it here actually

https://youtu.be/j53OWkCW6G4?t=39 This isnt the exact thing i did. Its using the same method of placing i dont need to teleport i was just doing it becuase i was lazy

that isnt a true performance showcase due to its noise being precomputed

but it was still building the commands in real time

i actually could have just build chunks with async commands

[pulsar sage]

commands?

[muted idol]

yeah

i was using commands for fill in that

instead of the fillBlock

that was kinda crappy code tbh

[pulsar sage]

did you use a Script API?

[muted idol]

yeah

[pulsar sage]

or not at all

and setBlock?

[muted idol]

scripting handles the placement

well

if u mean like that

then na

it was mostly just processing the noise and building commands

[pulsar sage]

try poor script api or try randomize block types

[muted idol]

then buffering them into the next tick using a custom buffer system

each chunk was built over 2 ticks

but that was just a limit i added

it could have done around 5 or 6 chunks every 2 ticks

im rn working on a new algo for calculating the cuboids to fill

[pulsar sage]

but still you have to palce block per block if you want nice looking terrain

like randomize the block types

[muted idol]

yeah ik

i was working on handling that

[pulsar sage]

in that case you can not use fill

[muted idol]

but i got bored of mc

[pulsar sage]

ya, i am also kinda bored nowdays

[muted idol]

i mostly work on native modding now

[pulsar sage]

i see

[muted idol]

i just recently began looking into making the scripting API use another JS engine via some strange JS hackery with native

eg getting scripting API running on NodeJS

[pulsar sage]

any think i am asking for is

setBlockPermutations(3Darray)

this will solve all my problems lmao

[muted idol]

why do u use a 3D array?

u do realise thats awful for per formance

[pulsar sage]

it could be just one array

its just concept of palcing multiple blocks

[muted idol]

use a 1D array with a custom index function

[pulsar sage]

ya

i know

i also use that in my custom server software

1d array can be dimensed with custom dimension sizes let say you can re size it from 4:5:5 to 5:4:5

or somehting

[muted idol]

ive been wanting to work on a custom server software

[muted idol]

just a lot going on with working on the Amethyst API, Working on rewriting BDSX to use Node, My life being a mess and working on a custom programming language

[pulsar sage]

i kinda success with NodeJs version only, the world gen was almost as fast as vanilla

[muted idol]

Node is ok for testing but if i was to make one id be doing something like Folia

[pulsar sage]

ya

[muted idol]

i have a prototype proxy for BDS servers that works like Folia

its designed to handle over 600 players on 1 server

[pulsar sage]

but i was a bit suprised that single threaded lang was that fast

[muted idol]

using vanilla BDS so all add-ons work

[pulsar sage]

sounds creazy

[muted idol]

i mean ur doing less work than the game is

the game does a lot more math for its terrain

[pulsar sage]

even vanilla BDS can't really handle that many players right?

[muted idol]

and it also has a bunch of pallet optimizations

[muted idol]

na

the way im looking at setting it up is how folia works

chunking the world and getting multiple servers running each server handles 1 chunk of the world

i had to stop working on it cuz my system just cant handle working on it

[pulsar sage]

the problem is that vanilla does a lot of game ticking things like chining for entities spawning or blocks ticking is also creazy, like water path and more

[muted idol]

its like 40 to 50 threads for a full test of it

[pulsar sage]

if you want really massive performance boost, then turn off all block ticking and entity ticking

for servers you dont need block ticking or entities

[muted idol]

ye

[muted idol]

although it was neat to see how windows handles it

i should be green threadding it tbh

[pulsar sage]

this is kinda funny article but it doesn't really say anything since they use awaiting threads so it does really says anything
https://pkolaczk.github.io/memory-consumption-of-async/

[muted idol]

i mean Rust with Tokio is green threads mostly

Golang uses greenthreads

C++ is native hardware threads

so C++ is the one that will struggle

well all 3 of the langs in that article use green threads

[pulsar sage]

ya

ik

thats why it doesn't really tells anything

[muted idol]

if i even dared to do that in C++ it would just die

[pulsar sage]

its just no possible to create 10k hardware threads

[muted idol]

i mean it is

if u yield it

[pulsar sage]

wdym?

[muted idol]

which is what all of them do

[pulsar sage]

are you talking about that article or world gen

[muted idol]

article

to in C++ spawn 1mil hardware threads if they call yield it works

if they are doing a while(true) or something ur system grinds to a hault

Have u poked much with world gen out side of MC?

[pulsar sage]

Not that much

[muted idol]

its fun

ive been working on a tectonic plate simulation for infinite terrain

which hasnt been done before

[pulsar sage]

How so what other games use such a world gen what is not static?

ohh

[muted idol]

Vintage Story is one

[pulsar sage]

i have no idea about other games

[muted idol]

its in C# and isnt obfuscated and the devs love modding

[pulsar sage]

i am not huge gamer

[muted idol]

its something ive been meaning to mod

[muted idol]

same lol

i spend most of my time making mods or programs

outside of rocket league i dont touch games unless im in call with friend s

[pulsar sage]

here are some games what i know bc the are famous

• MC
• GD
• Roblox
• Fortnie
• PUBG
• FNAF

and some old anrdoid games as well

[muted idol]

lol

i know a lot of games

i just dont play many

[pulsar sage]

i want to try that game

[muted idol]

RL?

[pulsar sage]

i never played fortnite but lot of ppl are talking about it

lmao

i am just cubecraft FFA anjoyer

[muted idol]

CubeCraft

[pulsar sage]

it has the best FFA

and best ping for me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[muted idol]

CC is a mess lol

only thing neat about it is its proxy system

and its server backend

[pulsar sage]

lot of things are mess, but i am ADHD guys so i kinda like mess

😂 😅

[muted idol]

i cant get over how bad its AC is

[pulsar sage]

AC?

[muted idol]

i used to make bedrock cheats so i know how dog its AC is

anticheat

[pulsar sage]

ohh, ya, its not well handled

[muted idol]

they use java servers with a bedrock proto iirc

like its java server

[pulsar sage]

idk why kids with cheats still exists

[muted idol]

and they switch the proto

[pulsar sage]

its like so boring when you use kill aura, you even can't move your self lmao

[muted idol]

most of the fun for me was making them

[pulsar sage]

ya, that sounds great but actually playing for hours with cheats

?

[muted idol]

i did that

i did it cuz making configs and bypasses is fun. Most of it was reactions

[pulsar sage]

lmao

[muted idol]

like flying and just watching people just meltdown about it was always so funny

loved Mineplex for that

[leaden pulsar]

you guys both should meet irl

[pulsar sage]

Guys i have an basic update to the terrain, maybe it doesn't looks that well, bc i am working on custom biomes, but the terrain it self is way more nature rn
One image also shows you funny scenario of my broken optimalizations

[pulsar sage]

well, now you can! I added more flatted areas as well so be free and build what you want there 😂

[pale plume]

Yooo lakes?

Or entire oceans?

[pulsar sage]

ya

these are small teasers i will create nwe post soon with some basic gameplay as well

[hexed karma]

how does it just turn into columns 😭

[pulsar sage]

thats when math is not mathing

[pale plume]

Math is always mathing

[pulsar sage]

true, brain is not braining

[lean violet]

do you know calculus?

and linear algebra?

[pulsar sage]

ya

but its all fixed now

[lean violet]

That’s the only thing preventing me from doing something like this

[pulsar sage]

i was having problem with taking 1d array as 2d

[lean violet]

😭😭

[pulsar sage]

i besicly got over indexed thats why it got up so quickly

also first footage of biomes

[pale plume]

Bro is productive af

[pale plume]

Are they ✨ 3d ✨ ?

[pulsar sage]

kinda,

but i am not implementing underground 🚫

[pale plume]

Caves

[pulsar sage]

there will be two factors for picking right biome,

• altitude
• temperature

[pale plume]

And biomes next to it

[pulsar sage]

meabe one day, or maybe as an experimental toggle

[pulsar sage]

thats kinda cylcic isn't it?

[pale plume]

Well....

[pulsar sage]

but since temperature is kinda linear then it never happens having cold and hot biomes next to each other

[pale plume]

A desert should NEVER spawn directly next to a snowy hills biome
Even if the world gen changes rq

[pulsar sage]

by changing the frquency of noise, you can achieve slow transitions

that temperature will be a noise

[pale plume]

Ah

[pulsar sage]

👍

i have to take a rest rn

[pale plume]

Rest good

[pulsar sage]

i got an pacific ocean i guess lmao

its like 900 blocks long

[steep warren]

Holy smokes!

[muted idol]

im gonna have a look at implementing this with some form of greedy meshing for blocks. I wanna see how far i can push this concept lol

[leaden pulsar]

may sharing how did you implement biomes

do you use different type of noise (like temprature/humidity)

idk

[pale plume]

He did

[pale plume]

.

[leaden pulsar]

yes but what noise type

is it the same for shaping the terrain

[leaden pulsar]

also did you blend the biomes using river/linear interpolation

i got so many question

me when math

[pulsar sage]

well, idk if i want to anser bc it may change in the future anyway, well i want to use OpenSimplex bc its kinda fast and i dont need complex shapes for temprature, ya i will try to implement humidity as well, but in that i case i have to create at laest 10 biomes to make it work properly, also i was thinking of implementing custom fog management for this biomes.

[pulsar sage]

Let me know if you success i will be fascinated

[deep bridge]

@sick holly look at this

[leaden pulsar]

i see

did you use biome blending

[pulsar sage]

nah, i just started working on it lmao

[pulsar sage]

🤫 He is basic teaser for tomorrow

[pale plume]

UPDATE: its now called spicy

[pulsar sage]

UPDATE: the footage is old, background terrain doesn't exist anymore

UPDATE: this project has been discontinued and archived

UPDATE: This project is back on track and I'm working on it

[high junco]

Wut

[lean violet]

shush

[pulsar sage]

what?

[sly totem]

Small Heart Attack

[leaden pulsar]

con

do you know how to implement /locate like

to locate specific biome

using the data from your noise

[pale plume]

Totally possible... we would just need custom commands from scripting api, that is missing since years XD

[muted idol]

Its a thing on bedrock for a little now iirc

[deep bridge]

biometypes class

[pale plume]

Scripting api can create custom commands?

[pulsar sage]

nah, only chat commands

like "!give"

[pale plume]

Thats just text matching lmao

@muted idol amethyst js command api when?

[pulsar sage]

ya

[muted idol]

I've been looking into custom commands but idk

[pale plume]

We know a lot about custom commands in bedrock (at least server side.. prolly applicable to the client as well)

[muted idol]

i got it working on client lol

ill redo it later then show it off in amethyst

[pale plume]

Noice

Do you plan on adding the js api to amethyst as well?