1.20.70.24 - Preview

[dim gazelle]

Beta and Preview Changelogs

Minecraft Beta & Preview - 1.20.70.24

It's that day of the week!
A new Minecraft: Bedrock Edition Preview is out now!

Posted on · Feb 15, 2024, 4:57 PM

[obsidian harbor]

Happy Preview Day!

[fringe rose]

Whoops

[dusk yacht]

he

[neat valve]

h

[dusk yacht]

well, no deferred stuff

[brittle pumice]

egg

[unkempt gate]

hey hi

[cursive pollen]

hiya

[solemn cove]

Happy preview day!

[boreal bolt]

hi

[acoustic night]

Why skip.23

[obsidian harbor]

I told you all. Bogged Skeleton killed it

[dusk yacht]

nice custom block change

[acoustic night]

I told y’all

That footage was real

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

[spice orbit]

Structures in scripting

[full dove]

Yooooo

[grizzled gorge]

wow

[void jewel]

alpha_test_single_sided?

[dusk yacht]

oooo

[topaz finch]

yay

[grizzled gorge]

anyone knows how to get structures from world db programmatically?

[brittle pumice]

Still waiting for target to enter 1.9.0

[sleek trout]

is this about item dynamic properties or something else?

[solemn cove]

Death to .23!

[neat valve]

I feels like I seen this somewhere in the previous preview

[acoustic night]

Preview on PlayStation when

[spice orbit]

Are the structures in scripting world specific? Assuming we can't save them into the BP at all

[obsidian harbor]

yes - itemstack dynamic properties

[upbeat cedar]

That would be exporting the structure

Which requires direct user interaction on PC

[spice orbit]

yeah

[solemn cove]

STRUCTURE APIS

[spice orbit]

Trying to figure out my use case

[upbeat cedar]

I've been waiting for this

[solemn cove]

@void jewel STRUCTURE APIS

[dusk yacht]

what does it do?

seems like the same stuff /structre does

[topaz finch]

structurises

[spice orbit]

makes structures in scripting 🗿

[upbeat cedar]

You know what would've been really useful? A way to get a list of those structures

A getAll function if you will

[spice orbit]

true, there should be a getAll

[boreal bolt]

why its not in dimension

[void jewel]

It looks like id is the only property for StructureTemplate. The other one we really need is size. That's very important.

[dusk yacht]

or a way to check if entity is in structure range

[fringe rose]

Oh cool...time to make a proof of concept with this

[spice orbit]

What is it's max size

[upbeat cedar]

Yes the size is very important

[void jewel]

Otherwise, this is huge.

[upbeat cedar]

I'll be using this right away

[spice orbit]

What are you using it for?

[void jewel]

Now I just need ticking area management, and all my base needs will be satisfied in scripting.

[upbeat cedar]

🙂

[obsidian harbor]

Compile your feedback on the structure apis and send it along.

[upbeat cedar]

Well I did say getAll. Anything else?

[void jewel]

I guess someone could make a post on #1067535712372654091 again?

[unkempt gate]

itemstack dynamic properties on stackable when 🤔

[unkempt gate]

i can but what you want there?

[void jewel]

Compile your feedback on the structure apis and send it along.

[covert wraith]

Hi

[dusk yacht]

I don't know how I would use this if I can use features and stuff. Am I missing something I am too stupid to see?

[upbeat cedar]

Where you use the structure command, you use the structure API

[spice orbit]

I can see using this for building things in creative, but that's it for me

[unkempt gate]

Ya, i could do some research and some testment, but i can already say that i wish we could edit or create structures without loaded dimension like making structures with block apis

[fringe rose]

Dude... i have a proof of concept.... but idk if this api allows it for now. Havent looked deep into it

[upbeat cedar]

Now that you mention it, it is weird that we can make an empty structure. What's that for?

[loud tree]

npm types when

[spice orbit]

I'm curous what the options are. It has a SaveMode?

[granite surge]

no deferred? ...

[boreal bolt]

why its not on dimension

[unkempt gate]

no i mean structures and assign own permutations

[dusk yacht]

yep

[spice orbit]

need to know what these are

[upbeat cedar]

Well yeah, what I said is related to that

[unkempt gate]

you think so?

idk what empty structures are for

[granite surge]

it's sad

[fringe rose]

Ig save to disk/memory

[spice orbit]

we will see

[upbeat cedar]

Exactly. What good is one without the ability to edit it directly

[sleek trout]

I think it's about wether to include entities/blocks like in structure blocks

[spice orbit]

we'll see

Preview Download when 😠

[upbeat cedar]

The options are what you'd normally use in the command version

[unkempt gate]

but maybe its just not in the changelog

[upbeat cedar]

Let's make a post in #1067535382285135923 to talk about this

[boreal bolt]

yea

[upbeat cedar]

Here we go https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1207737567663882330

[dim gazelle]

Bedrock Dedicated Server for Minecraft Preview v1.20.70.24 is out now!

[spice orbit]

That explains why action bar backgrounds may have been missing in stable at least

[dusk yacht]

the black box behind it?

never liked that

[upbeat cedar]

Everything's good in the right proportions 😉

[covert wraith]

But it looks cool

[dusk yacht]

eew

[covert wraith]

Much easier to read for me at least

[spice orbit]

it makes stuff readable

[dusk yacht]

make it a toggle to enable

[void jewel]

This is super lame, but the blocks documentation doesn't even include the alpha_test_single_sided that's noted in this changelog. But I just tested it and it works, even in stable on older versions. I really could've used this a while ago.

[spice orbit]

the text string is saying that it's going to be a slider 🗿

much like glint

[dusk yacht]

I'd much prefer to have it on 0

[spice orbit]

I'd much prefer a slider so it can be whatever you want it to be

🗿

[sleek trout]

How is it different to normal alpha_test?

[void jewel]

The backfaces are culled.

[steel oak]

YES

[dusk yacht]

How dare you speak to this famous youtuber with that tongue (im not famous)

[sleek trout]

oh I just made something like that with culling rules today

[fast citrus]

lmao the bogged

10 years to add something like that

Mojang please give us biome-based mobs with biome-based abilities

We are aware you know Terraria, well, follow em

🥺

btw when was alpha_test_single_sided added

[dusk yacht]

[fast citrus]

first time I hear of it

[dim gazelle]

Minecraft Preview v1.20.70.24 is out now on the Microsoft Store!

[upbeat cedar]

Apparently it's existed the entire time

[topaz finch]

quadruple ping

[steel oak]

i've seen it in the materials file but didn't think custom blocks could use it

[fast citrus]

yeah kinda same

I don't know where I heard it but im sure it was not documented for custom blocks

Time to check if there is a connectable block trait not announced nor documented?

[steel oak]

that could (but probably doesn't) mean there's blend_no_culling and alpha/opaque_seasons as well

[fast citrus]

cool preview btw, love the new mob

[upbeat cedar]

👁️

[fast citrus]

might try later

[fringe rose]

Time to check the files

[fast citrus]

btw im not crazy, it is not documented https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/reference/content/blockreference/examples/blockcomponents/minecraftblock_material_instances?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

@obsidian harbor How outdated is this page if you know?

[upbeat cedar]

You go do that 🫡

[fringe rose]

Im guessing its either an accidental slip or a diff internal name

[obsidian harbor]

You can see when it was last updated - Sept 2023. Feel free to log an issue.

[void jewel]

It's not outdated. It's just missing this one material. You should file an issue.

[fast citrus]

Oh rigfht

[fringe rose]

Leave Feedback on the new StructureAPIs here: https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1207737567663882330

[fringe rose]

Havent receievd the update yet

[fast citrus]

done https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/minecraft-creator/issues/792

im so fast

[fast citrus]

same here

[spice orbit]

just got it, now to complain about the next thing I need

typings when?

[fringe rose]

Just got the updatre

[upbeat cedar]

Bogva

[austere crystal]

StructureSaveMode (Enum)

• World
• Memory

StructureCreateOptions (Interface)

• includeBlocks: boolean
• includeEntities: boolean
• saveMode: StructureSaveMode

StructurePlaceOptions (Interface)

• animationMode: StructureAnimationMode
• animationSecond: number
• includeBlocks: boolean
• includeEntities: boolean
• integrity: number
• integritySeed: string
• mirror: StructureMirrorAxis
• rotation: StructureRotation
• waterlogged: boolean

[dusk yacht]

sky stuff

[stiff mist]

Bedrock developers: We added the new Bogged mob!
Players: Where do they spawn?
Bedrock developers: In the Mangrove Swamp biome
The game: https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-170183

[fringe rose]

Interesting, I dont have the inbox feature anymore

[mental notch]

i feel like each of the render methods options should get its own paragraph instead of them all being jammed into one word soup

[fast citrus]

yeah, thought of adding that but kinda felt like it would be logical... will add it

done

[void jewel]

Not quite done, but whatever: https://publish.obsidian.md/cicis-notes/Blocks/Server+Blocks/Components/Material+Instances+Block+Component#Render Method

[spice orbit]

wonder if they're doing changes to the chat screen

things you type don't populate the window until you leave it

[void jewel]

Ah, damn. Either in this one or the last one, the massive speed increase to game loading was lost. In 1.20.70.21, it was crazy fast.

[spring totem]

Huh, I wonder if there are other hidden materials.. I'll check

[fringe rose]

wind charges have an offset

[fast citrus]

looks usable for ladders

but eh

I guess the offset is facing based, right?

[spring totem]

Huh, why did we skip .23 preview

[spice orbit]

because 7 ate 9

[void jewel]

There shouldn't be. As you can see, all non-special, non-seasons terrain materials should be covered now:

[spring totem]

Maybe something happened with 23 build so they cancelled it in the last moment, and released 24 today instead

[lilac meteor]

oh sweet. 1.9.0 is now stable

[void jewel]

Note about new material:

Also, backface culling is wrong on attachables.

[grand moss]

Item properties are stable.. so that probably means no props for stackable items.
Also still no stable chat event lol

[spice orbit]

I don't see how you would even give properties for stackable items

you'd have to dynamically create them based on stack size changes and be able to tell what goes where when you split stacks

which is completely impossible

[acoustic night]

Uhhh what’s this

[void jewel]

I can't agree with you.

Try "Pick Block with Data" on a furnace and then toss the item to the ground.

Then do it again and again and intermix a regular furnace item.

[acoustic night]

What is skyprobe deferred shading mean

[void jewel]

All the ones with data get stacked together. The ones that are just regular furnaces also get stacked together. But those 2 groups stay separated.

[unkempt gate]

the title

[acoustic night]

Lol

[unkempt gate]

bruh chat is absolutely broken!

[void jewel]

Weird. I can't actually find the gametips command from the localization… maybe it's not in public builds?

I guess that'd make sense.

[unkempt gate]

ya, it is included in dev build only, bc its client side command i guess

[void jewel]

How can you tell it's disseminated to that client only?

[unkempt gate]

it sounds like client only command, since it doesn't make sense to have this option controled on server,

[unkempt gate]

is chat broken for you as well?

[acoustic night]

I looked it up does this mean custom sky’s for deferred?????

[void jewel]

Yes

[unkempt gate]

😔

[craggy brook]

Dynamic properties out of exp?

[unkempt gate]

they were before as well, but new item ones are now stable

[lilac meteor]

Is there a new Script API?

like is 1.9.0 stable now?

because in the logs it said removed stuff from beta and put them into 1.9.0

but I'm not getting any errors whatsoever in my add-on

like it doesn't say wrong version api

[grand moss]

1.10.0-beta or 1.9.0 versions for preview

[lilac meteor]

oh, just for preview?

[grand moss]

Ye

[lilac meteor]

ahh ok

that makes more sense then

[grand moss]

Stable is one less for both

[lilac meteor]

oki

[craggy brook]

Nice

[void jewel]

There seems to be a new, undocumeted entity component:

[lilac meteor]

oh interesting

Seems like it would be cool with wizard mobs

[void jewel]

And here's their new material for one-sided alphatest items: item_in_hand_entity_alphatest_one_sided_color.

[acoustic night]

Anyone know what “skyprobe” is?

[lilac meteor]

that is if it goes public*

[void jewel]

Editor block palette thing looks cool

[dusk yacht]

Does it not work the same as changing the item NBT? I think once 1 item or a set of items has their NBT changed, they would only stack with the same NBT type.

I'm not sure if 2 items of the same itemDP can be stacked. I would guess it's extra data/nbt to the item

[sleek trout]

it doesn't let you set any properties on items that are stackable

[dusk yacht]

That's just odd

[sleek trout]

agreed

[upbeat cedar]

I'm guessing it's to make data for reflections or ambient lighting in general

[acoustic night]

From what I can find on Google it’s custom sky

Or something

Like skyboxes or something

[lilac meteor]

Are yous talking about it being added? Or being changed?

[acoustic night]

Idk Google isn’t always right

[lilac meteor]

Skyprobe sounds like what Sisilicon is saying

Like it's probing the sky for it's light level or something

[upbeat cedar]

in the context of CGI, probing means to take a snapshot of the scene and turning into usable data for lighting

[acoustic night]

Aw man

[dusk yacht]

That would mean a better sky in general and for future stuff they have plainned.?

[upbeat cedar]

So in this case, the probe would render the sky to a cubemap or maybe spherical harmonics (SH) which is then used for reflections or diffuse ambient lighting

[acoustic night]

I thought it was gonna be something cooler

[lilac meteor]

ye

[lilac meteor]

it is pretty cool

[upbeat cedar]

This can produce more accurate lighting. One that reflects (maybe literally) the environment you're in

Imagine the terrain having an orange tint during a sunset (and in shadow at that)

[lilac meteor]

is that how they fixed the lighting issues a bit ago?

[dusk yacht]

Oh yea, lol. Imagine they added reflections but the sky does not get reflected, and all you see is a void

[upbeat cedar]

Yeah, you need a probe for that kind of reflection

[dusk yacht]

I can agree, that the current light does not work well with the terrain surface, only sides

[acoustic night]

Show me an example what this looks like please

[upbeat cedar]

Don't have one in handy. But here's another example. Say the end sky is purple. Then the islands will be coloured purple too.

[dusk yacht]

yea

[acoustic night]

Oh cool

[dusk yacht]

It's like the terrain adapts from the sky

[upbeat cedar]

Exactly

[lilac meteor]

imagine if they made a block component for glass blocks, like "minecraft:alpha_light_color": {<hex_code>}

[dusk yacht]

I wonder if this would ever fix the void we have in the sky with current deferred.

[lilac meteor]

like the colour that is shown through on shadows from blocks

[upbeat cedar]

Nah, that's an issue with the way they calculate the sky itself. The probe would literally reflect that flaw

[dusk yacht]

Darn

I don't think reflections would be next week. There seems to be a lot to be done to have it working properly.

Maybe we get a surprise

It's great to see Deferred get more love than RTX from Mojang

[fringe rose]

Not a lot of chatter huh

[wraith fulcrum]

@acoustic night , PS4 preview out

[upbeat cedar]

For real?

The button works?

[wraith fulcrum]

Yes no announcement

The button actually worked I was just getting ready to test the bogged

[upbeat cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-gif-25211694

[wraith fulcrum]

I was getting ready to help my friends with performance comparison's,

And I was like alright button let's push

And boom just downloaded

[upbeat cedar]

Send screenshots and videos if you can

[wraith fulcrum]

You got it, I've got my flashdrive hooked up

[upbeat cedar]

They might announce it soon

[wraith fulcrum]

Incoming ss

[wraith fulcrum]

Hahaha check out my status

[upbeat cedar]

I see it!

[lilac meteor]

oh shit

[upbeat cedar]

@spring totem @fringe rose @grand moss

Playstation Preview is out now

Or at the very least, rolling out

[spring totem]

:0

[upbeat cedar]

Just so we all know, the deferred preview experiment isn't there is it?

[wraith fulcrum]

Not in main settings, but is still a toggle for , er uh creating a world

[upbeat cedar]

🤔

[wraith fulcrum]

Although its still in the files we could be looking at another hurdle essentially

[upbeat cedar]

If only I knew a preview realm with a deferred pack where you could check it out in

[wraith fulcrum]

You're telling me

[spice orbit]

Don't preview realms only work on pc?

[wraith fulcrum]

As far as we know, a switch preview could be what cuts in line of our chase

[lilac meteor]

hmm, I'm getting no content was found when I click on the preview button on MC

[wraith fulcrum]

Giving me an option to ceate a preview rn actually

Try updating and or restarting the console

[lilac meteor]

It's different from when I used to click it anyways

[lilac meteor]

already did

[upbeat cedar]

Should work for anyone in preview

[wraith fulcrum]

I have the 2nd gen ps4, the one with the matte finish

maybe its that

[upbeat cedar]

What region do you both live in? Maybe it's that

[lilac meteor]

Ireland

[wraith fulcrum]

USA

[upbeat cedar]

Could it be taking longer in europe?

[wraith fulcrum]

Realms in PS4 preview can not go to 20 in render distance

But I still appreciate David for still trying to get everything done and worked out

[fringe rose]

Mind if I share these screenshots on the Twitter verse?

[wraith fulcrum]

Go crazy dude

My twitters in my disc have at it

[limpid violet]

LMAO

THEY SHADOW DROPPED IT

[wraith fulcrum]

I remember they said not everything gets told to them

Oh they were not kidding

No blue screen, 58-60 FPS

Everything's running smoothly

[spring totem]

Do you have a second device with preview so that you can test deferred in local multiplayer?

[wraith fulcrum]

If my laptop could run deferred, it's stuck on that one bug that's preventing it

I have multiple realms though

[spring totem]

I might be able to test it myself

[upbeat cedar]

You have a PS4?

[spring totem]

Ps5

But didn't buy Minecraft :(

So I can't test

[austere crystal]

I don’t own Minecraft on Playstation too so I might not be able to test deferred there

Wish they would’ve done the same thing as iOS

[upbeat cedar]

Wdym?

[austere crystal]

You can install Minecraft Preview for free on iOS

[upbeat cedar]

with testflight*

[austere crystal]

Just join the beta program and start installing

[austere crystal]

Well yeah, but they could’ve released the preview for free since you can’t access the Marketplace

[upbeat cedar]

pretty sure they did that for playstation

[upbeat cedar]

Look

[austere crystal]

They did

They said it on the page iirc

[austere crystal]

The button for opening Minecraft Preview doesn’t appear in the demo :<

[spring totem]

Maybe it's possible to find in the store or open a direct link from browser?

[austere crystal]

I can’t find it in the store, but trying to look for a direct link

[spring totem]

Do you have a link to the store in payment confirmation somewhere?

[wraith fulcrum]

Er uhhhhhhhhh

[spring totem]

All we need is a link that directs to preview on playstation store

[wraith fulcrum]

Im looking

[upbeat cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-read-read-up-checking-taking-note-gif-15388141

Jim. rn

[wraith fulcrum]

still looking

WORK SHARE BUTTON WORK

[spring totem]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-10369477809722850145

[spring totem]

show

[wraith fulcrum]

It's not letting me share the link?

[spring totem]

wait I misread that as shaders ...

[wraith fulcrum]

We're addicts

[austere crystal]

lol

[spring totem]

I know I am

[spice orbit]

you spelled add-on wrong

[spring totem]

Yes. Many times. Also you're*

[spice orbit]

however I am no better

Actually. the last time I said "addon" aside from in mod chat is June 2023

I completely changed

[austere crystal]

well

[wraith fulcrum]

Am I only seeing it cuz I'm closest to the servers

[austere crystal]

Don’t think so, I don’t see the button because I don’t own Minecraft on Playstation

It’s sad though :<

[neat valve]

I assume it's private only for those who owns the game.

[austere crystal]

It’s probably meant to be, but maybe we can install it anyways?

[wraith fulcrum]

It's not allowing me to share any links of any kind

Oh yeah really great out of context typo right there

Right up the Discord Black SUVs outside

[lilac meteor]

there was one

It's in minecraft settings at the very bottom

but doesn't work for me anyways

[austere crystal]

That button doesn’t appear in in trial

[rugged pine]

personally checking if the preview lets me in on ps4 pro

my ps5 said content not found

[lilac meteor]

ye same

It seems it's region dependant atm

[rugged pine]

i gave my old console to my sister and she’s taking forever to log in omg

[lilac meteor]

hopefully it rolls out in the EU soon

[lilac meteor]

If it's not on your PS5, it won't be on your ps4 yet either

[rugged pine]

how would yk

have you tried it on both

i have not seen one person on ps5 get the preview yet

[rugged pine]

booting up my ps4 slim and updating everything would be faster at this point, swear on it 💀

ok it showed up

it is downloading

and ill see if i can get it to my ps5 somehow

[acoustic night]

WAHT

PLAYSTATION PREVIEW IS OUT?

IS DEFERRED ON IT?!

[rugged pine]

im checkingggg

[acoustic night]

I KMOW ONE

@wraith fulcrum

[wraith fulcrum]

help

but yes

whats up eddy

[acoustic night]

Lemme find the realm code

[wraith fulcrum]

wdym

[rugged pine]

the toggle is there

im gonna try to get it on my ps5

[acoustic night]

Realm codes allow you to join realms without invite

Like server ips

[wraith fulcrum]

you want mine?

[acoustic night]

No I’m giving you a realm with deferred applied

[wraith fulcrum]

OHHHHHHHHHHHH

WORKS FOR ME

lemme know when

[acoustic night]

zMieVnShERc

Is the realm code

Go to friends and tap join realm

And put that code in

[wraith fulcrum]

Joining

[rugged pine]

ignore the fortnite

my sister installed that on my ps5 🙄

[wraith fulcrum]

downloading resoure packs

[acoustic night]

Make sure to go to settings and enable deferred technical preview

[wraith fulcrum]

awaiting loading

disconnected from server

[acoustic night]

Bruh

Try again

[wraith fulcrum]

trying again

pre loading

downloading packs again

[acoustic night]

If it doesn’t have deferred then I guess we will have to wait like ios

[wraith fulcrum]

thats what I'm thinking tbh

its too early technically

at least its not blue screening

[acoustic night]

Did the realm load?

[wraith fulcrum]

still loading

closing app

[acoustic night]

What

[wraith fulcrum]

froze loading screen

trying again

[acoustic night]

what if it means deferred is on PlayStation but it crashes

💀

[wraith fulcrum]

unlikely because something in the coding would have to be recognized

and so far my PS4 is looking at me like

[acoustic night]

If the realm don’t work do you have another device with mc preview?

[wraith fulcrum]

midish performing windows 10 but thats it

reloading realm

[acoustic night]

That will do

[spring totem]

Maybe they didn't implement deferred but also didn't prevent it from being activated on ps

[acoustic night]

Maybe

It might just crash

If you try to enable it

[wraith fulcrum]

fun fact is crashing

[acoustic night]

@rugged pine You can try to join the realm then

If his crashes

[wraith fulcrum]

Maybe PS5 has luck im not sure

[acoustic night]

Then it’s something wrong with the game

[wraith fulcrum]

loaded

looking for toggle

guess whats not there

you guessed it the toggle

Its alright still worth a try Eddy, just might not be ready yet

I feel bad for the devs they have to optimize this running smoothly on 4 different Playstation 4 verisons

[acoustic night]

Well if they can get deferred running on an iPhone XR at 40 FPS then they can do the same for PlayStation

It took them 6 months to get deferred on iOS

So I expect the same for PlayStation

However

I’ve seen that they’ve been testing mc ps4 preview since November

So maybe we can get deferred on PlayStation by April

[rugged pine]

i can try

[acoustic night]

Don’t matter

Doesn’t work

[rugged pine]

ill first try making a world on my ps5

[acoustic night]

Jim confirmed it

[rugged pine]

did it load for jim

[acoustic night]

Yes

He said there’s no toggle

[wraith fulcrum]

No toggle no dice

[acoustic night]

😢

😭

I’ll break the news

[rugged pine]

ill try something

ok there is no deferred rendering for playstation

the toggle exists, but the option in game is nonexistent

[wraith fulcrum]

Yes yes

[acoustic night]

Looks like my cousin will have to wait a little longer

For deferred

[acoustic night]

4?

[wraith fulcrum]

Glossy Ps4 first edition
Matte 2nd
PS4 Slim
And Ps4 Pro

All optimized incredibly differently

[acoustic night]

How much FPS would you get on a slim

[wraith fulcrum]

Sheeeesh

My guess probably 60 all the way

[acoustic night]

Good

[lilac meteor]

60 most likely

[acoustic night]

That’s what my cousin has

[lilac meteor]

They can't do anything above 60 though

ps4 is capped at 60fps always

on ps5 the cap is 120fps

[acoustic night]

Let’s hope it comes soon

[acoustic night]

Wrong

[lilac meteor]

some people can already get on it

[lilac meteor]

ps5 FPS cap max is 120fps on the console

[upbeat cedar]

Only platform without some form of preview now is the switch

[acoustic night]

And android

[acoustic night]

I wonder how they would implement it on switch

[upbeat cedar]

That's why I said "some form of".

[acoustic night]

Even chrome book has a preview now 💀

[upbeat cedar]

Probably the same way as Playstation

[wraith fulcrum]

Take a shot everytime they see a comment that says "30 FPS"

[acoustic night]

Oh yeah

Has anyone tried to test deferred on a chrome book

Via education preview

[acoustic night]

I’m okay with 30 FPS on deferred switch

Just not 10

[wraith fulcrum]

Dear lord such a forbidden statement

[acoustic night]

It’s not that bad

[upbeat cedar]

It's a switch

[rugged pine]

i dont see 120fps on ps5 preview

[acoustic night]

I play with 30 FPS most of the time on iPhone XR

And don’t really have a problem

[neat valve]

It's probably already there.

chromebook can run android apps so, no differences.

although there's "optimized" chromebook version that separate android version for some reason idrk why

[acoustic night]

So is Minecraft chrome book just android version?

[neat valve]

It's just yes and no.

[acoustic night]

Hmm

[neat valve]

yes, you can run it.

though there's 2 bedrock versions on chromebook.

[acoustic night]

We’ll probably never know if deferred works

On chrome book

Cause education edition needs school account

[neat valve]

not exactly sure why would you use deferred on a such low-end hardware and OS in general

[fast citrus]

Why did some people here were saying both, addon and add-on wrong?

[acoustic night]

I would like to see how it would perform

[fast citrus]

Im sure they are mods 🤓

[wraith fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/heartaglows-spongebob-stan-twitter-toilet-suffering-gif-27708080

chromebook running shaders

[acoustic night]

Nah here’s the real footage

[neat valve]

most chromebook can't even run java edition properly so idk what do you expect to.

[acoustic night]

https://tenor.com/view/overheat-computer-explosion-boom-spark-gif-17323916

Real footage of deferred running on chrome book 👍

[neat valve]

nah it's plugins.

[fast citrus]

additional content >

[dense quiver]

bruh the game using too much

I am at the setting screen
not in a wolrd

[fringe rose]

https://x.com/SmokeyStack_/status/1758591206576030165?s=20

SmokeyStack (@SmokeyStack_) on X

Here's an interesting fact. The wind charge has two different IDs, one for the item and the breeze's projectile. Why Mojang doesn't just use component groups like the arrow is weird personally. #Minecraft

Twitter · Feb 16, 2024, 8:36 PM

[spring totem]

hopefully not because entity events will be deprecated next 😅

[stuck creek]

this is really sad

[fringe rose]

Hopefully not what?

[unkempt gate]

i wish for some kind of molang events in .json files, bc scripting is not performent enought to handle events for custom blocks, items, entities

its just too much for non native single threaded lang in my opinion

[spring totem]

... because entity events will be deprecated next

[stuck creek]

molang can be used in a variety of BP json files, it's not as powerful as scripts but it works at least

[unkempt gate]

lmao

i think i am addicted on Scripting lmao

[fringe rose]

Im so confused right now 😂

[stuck creek]

like this in a format version 1.19.50 block

[unkempt gate]

interesting

ya, more things like this is in need maybe you can't cancle before event but you dont have to if its already filtered in BP definition, you can save so much performance with that

[unkempt gate]

this is no_longer possible right?

[stuck creek]

it currently works

[unkempt gate]

.

[stuck creek]

by currently i mean in 1.20.50

i haven't updated yet

[unkempt gate]

i think it should be part of both, i mean you dont need to define event name, but you should be to catch that event with id in scripting and so some stuff, but event filtering should be done on native side

[spring totem]

Joke breakdown: I implied that they might've avoided using component groups because mojang may plan to deprecate them, which is funny because deprecating stable feature sounds absurd, but at the same time they deprecated experimental block and item events recently, so getting rid of entity events doesn't sound that implausible anymore.

[fringe rose]

Ohhh 😂 did not catch that

[stuck creek]

when did they remove item and block events?

is it 1.20.60 or prior?

[steel oak]

block events haven't been deprecated yet

[upbeat cedar]

But they plan on doing it

One of the last holiday creator features

[stuck creek]

this is so missed up

[analog talon]

Well at least splitting the wind charge entities is java parity (except the IDs have _projectile appended for no reason)

[fringe rose]

Bad parity

[spring totem]

Might be worth bringing this up in https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1145868241634345004

[native geyser]

can't wait for that to happen so I'll have a reason to end bedroc dev'ing 🥶

[fast citrus]

Please please Veka be wrong please please

#AllEventsAreWorthIt

[pine owl]

Let's kill entity events, and then animation controllers, and then entity files overall. Turn it all to scripts with armor stands

[royal pelican]

I doubt they'd ditch entity events

[nova salmon]

An API for finite state machines would be interesting though. Especially if it keeps state between reloads.

[fast citrus]

We need this https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1206046113887428659

[royal pelican]

Eh

[pine owl]

Definitely

[fringe rose]

Not rrally

[royal pelican]

Only thing I can agree on is that Molang is way faster than scripts so some way to check that instead of going to scripts where feasible would be nice

[fast citrus]

People that already know scripting don’t need it for sure, but that post aims to speak for the community rather than a part of the community

[pine owl]

And even with a fair amount of programming experience(granted, I'm only a novice in JS itself, but I've doen stuff in C# and Python), I'd prefer this method anyway as it seems better organized than how item interactions are organized in scripts(with one event and a switch statement)

[fringe rose]

Technically....you dont have to have all your stuff under one event, you can just make multiple itemOnUse subscribe

[royal pelican]

I think that causes issues? Never really had it but @conmaster2112 said something about it on the script server

[pine owl]

Ah, that's good to know. It will make my scripts a lot more readable

[fringe rose]

🤷 Never had any issues, I have like...5 item on use subcribers

[royal pelican]

Yeah I haven't either

[fast citrus]

scripting is bad

(this is a joke don't kill me)

((I love scripting))

[fringe rose]

Hmmm, no. Ban

[sleek trout]

ReferenceError: "scripting is bad" is not defined

[fast citrus]

You can't ban me

Your hammer is on reparation

[lilac meteor]

ReferenceError:"ReferenceError: "scripting is bad" is not defined" is not defined

[fringe rose]

RIP

[lilac meteor]

rip

[stuck creek]

i thought so, i hate how they are thinking recently

[fringe rose]

Which is?

[stuck creek]

which what?

[fringe rose]

i hate how they are thinking recently

[stuck creek]

i was referring to the fact that wind_brust component not being usable outside vanilla entities, the same way it was with the sniffer and the camel

[solemn cove]

Surely it's to give time for the feature to stabilize in vanilla before creators start building off on it

Once the sniffer and camel were stable the components got released
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/update1.20.40?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[fringe rose]

Ah so 1.21.60

[stuck creek]

i don't think any experimental features should be restricted in preview, what is the worse that could happen, if it's not ready before the update release disable it again, while in preview however, let us use them.

[austere crystal]

1.21.60?!

[fringe rose]

i don't think any experimental features should be restricted in preview
Disagree with that, things like deferred and editor definitely needs to remain preview only for a while

[solemn cove]

It adds complexity to creating the feature, having to think about how creators are using it, how a change may impact them.

It would also suck to build something to use a mechanic the way it was introduced in the first preview and then at release it's completely different

[fringe rose]

Copper bulbs

[stuck creek]

no, i meant things should not be restricted while in preview

[fringe rose]

[solemn cove]

1.21.21

[solemn cove]

That's okay it will probably be restricted while stable for a little while too 😅

[stuck creek]

i know, and that little while for big companies as you know is a short 3 mouths or so...

[austere crystal]

Reminds me of 1.20.20.20

[stuck creek]

why ore you all throwing numbers around?

[austere crystal]

#1123640880314724453 message lol

[stiff mist]

Smokey made a minor mistake

[sleek trout]

1.19.84 my beloved

[stuck creek]

0.15.0

is where the memories remain

[austere crystal]

Most of my memories were made on Java Edition

[stiff mist]

0.2.0 🤘

[dense quiver]

sometimes turning off the vol fog off can softlock the pc or freeze the pc and crash the game

[dense quiver]

it's back

[fringe rose]

Having much fun with the structures API

[acoustic night]

Nice 👍

[solemn cove]

Oooh fun!

[upbeat cedar]

Nice but nothing really special that commands can't do. Let's see what else they have in stores this week (probably)

[fringe rose]

Yeah, I have a few things I want for this API

[solemn cove]

But not needing commands makes it at least 1.2x better

[fringe rose]

Oh if we could use editor module outside of editor mode I want to use the block meshes

[fast citrus]

how?

[upbeat cedar]

less room for mistakes.

Some people (like me) have to look back and forth at the command syntax to make sure everything is typed in correctly.

Plus having to convert vector coordinates into strings

The code is much cleaner and more intuitive when dedicated APIs are used rather than generic command calls

[fast citrus]

Oh okay

[spring totem]

The way I see, it's a nice quality of life improvement, but not a groundbreaking feature.

[full dove]

Ground breaking would be new dimensions

[fast citrus]

Yeah

unlike block events 🙂

[royal pelican]

I think it's also faster than calling runCommand

[upbeat cedar]

We'll need to benchmark that

Although I suppose it would be faster in theory since there's no command parsing involved

[full dove]

Less is best

[stuck creek]

what makes it any in special from the /structure command, other than the ease of writing?

[royal pelican]

Read a few messages below that

[steel prawn]

they should have not still split. we have entity naming alias option. a single entity can have more than 1 ids

https://wiki.bedrock.dev/entities/entity-properties.html#entity-aliases

they made it, its available in release minecraft and then they forgot it 💀

they can use it spawn these projectiles while keeping different ids but still same entity

its like how they made red_carpet,yellow_carpet from carpet

[fringe rose]

Im gonna guess its due to java parity

Arrows are the only multi projectiles that use component groups. Whereas fireballs and wind charges are separate

Dont need to blame evrything on Mojang for "forgetting" things

[steel prawn]

yep i understand but we can still get two identifier without making unnecessary file.
also i want confirmation that alias is officially supported. i dont see it on ms docs but its not experimental 💀

[stuck creek]

i think they are doing separating them like blaze and ghast fireballs are separate 🤔

[analog talon]

Aliases are evil, I hope they get never used and then removed

[lilac meteor]

lmao

[steel prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-parker-im-gonna-put-some-dirt-on-you-eye-mad-gif-15750742

[void jewel]

Aliases are better than spawn events…

[steel prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-one-person-venom-venom-let-there-be-carnage-appreciate-you-thanks-gif-23342865

[brittle pumice]

I don't get the deal with aliases; it just seems like events with less functionality. I thought it would be treated overall as different entities altogether, just using the same behavior file.

[nova salmon]

I'm going to have to agree with Tryashtar too. I think aliases are useless.

[steel prawn]

well if you guys are unable to make use of it then why blame.
its true that events are a good equivalent, but alias is meant to be a shortcut

for example think you are a new person and u want to spawn red sheep and u are using commands only, alias play an important role here

also i hope permutations comes to entities soon as well 💀

true power of alias lies with them

[royal pelican]

Entities already have permutations

They're just not stable

[brittle pumice]

So it's only there to make a slightly smaller command line? Because that can be done with

/summon {entity} ~~~ ~~ {event}

[lilac meteor]

it can be used for readability

wait, I think I misread something

[brittle pumice]

If that's preferred, I can see that, though I don't think it's too big an issue.

Really I was hoping for more function from this though, like aliases actually being treated as different entities but just using the same traits.

[analog talon]

I will rue the day I do summon red_sheep and then try to target @e[type=red_sheep] and it fails

[steel prawn]

its not that simple bro, it can be used to in spawn mob related components as well

[steel prawn]

yep, i hope they do not discard them

[steel prawn]

especially where events cannot be used

[brittle pumice]

so like how events already add components, or something different?

[steel prawn]

another thing is
suppose alias define color of entity and event can be used to set some other thing

[brittle pumice]

would the color be defined by the property the alias sets?

because if so, events set properties too

[steel prawn]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/reference/content/entityreference/examples/entitygoals/minecraftbehavior_summon_entity?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[steel prawn]

ik man,
i just said in suppose
entity is villager

1. it has several skins
2. it has several jobs
   .
   in single command, use alias for skin, event for job.
   i am telling example usage

[steel prawn]

there is no even property with which we can summon an entity in this component
may be namespace:entity_identifier<event> is supported but it needs to be tested

[brittle pumice]

iirc that is how it's done, yea. I remember asking about it a long while ago, but the memory is vague.

[brittle pumice]

I'm curious as to why you would choose not to use an event for both; they're capable of doing both things simultaneously. Do aliases allow for faster processing speed or something, or is it more for personal convenience?

[steel prawn]

its kinda both, you know that events checks for many things like component groups needs to be added or not, filters,sequence, remove components
in short events needs to check alot of things
.
while alias is a custom identifier which simply sets some properties.
real power of them lies with permutations.

permutations are different from component groups in a sense that they become active based on molang expression i think, entity properties are intended to be used here.

but component groups are made active based on events

now since alias can set properties, permutations can take molang and ultimately properties

we can make eventless entities(assuming we dont need to change some permutations)

we may see identifiers like red_sheep after permutations are out

(thinking this way bcz why not, they did same for blocks and items)

[brittle pumice]

I'm gonna be honest, you've made me far more interested in permutations rather than aliases lol.

[steel prawn]

lol

i am more interested in permutations too

its difficult to keep track of active and inactive component groups and they need a trigger

but permutations codition runs every tick and since its molang then its not problem

[brittle pumice]

While I still can't fully see the need for aliases (other than the potential future of entity events being removed), I'll try to do some more digging and see how it synergizes with permutations since it sounds like they go hand-in-hand.

[steel prawn]

events wont be removed

bcz they are stable and documented

[analog talon]

The reason I don't like permutations is that they run every tick, and desynchronize the state of the mob for a tick. It seems much more straightforward to do trigger happens -> change state, rather than trigger happens -> set a dummy flag -> wait a tick -> read dummy flag -> change state. It's reminiscent of the old hacky animation controller workarounds

[steel prawn]

there might be problem in permutations bcz they are experimental

also
what i believe is that permutation aim is at modifying appearance and other factors like variant,color component, sheared component etc

but i hope we can use it for everything easily

[analog talon]

One positive I do see for permutations is that they centralize the component definitions in an ordered way. Since you can't have multiple copies of the same component, and some components have side effects when added/removed, order can matter when swapping groups, and it can be hard to reason about an arbitrary order of events. But with permutations that issue mostly doesn't exist, it's easy to see where the mob will land after a particular changeup to its properties

[void jewel]

I've got a radical take on entities:

• Move action components, like addrider and instant_despawn to events.
• Get rid of component groups and their associated actions completely.
• Get rid of flag components like is_illager_captain.
• Loosen the restrictions on entity properties.
• Add permutations instead, enforcing that the condition can only use q.property. The condition, when parsed, registers watchers for changes to those properties, and the code is therefore only run when its relevant properties are updated.
• Creators use their entity properties as the "source of truth" for both managing state and applications of said state through permutations.
• Creators use q.had_component_group to upgrade content. There may need to be one like q.had_flag or q.had_component or something.
• Get rid of attribute components, like damage and knockback_resistance.
• Add attributes back as entity traits that automatically manage the usages of those core attributes.
• Add a command for changing any of these properties, like /property or /setproperty.

Right now, there is not one "truth" in an entity's behavior, but several:

• Its list of active component groups
• The resolved flags from the merging of base components and component groups
• Entity properties

There's also the fact that adding component groups including attributes or flags sometimes results in unexpected behavior. The above process resolves resolves all these things in a pretty straightforward way. Or maybe I just believe in the block model for data a little too much… 😅

Sorry for the wall of text.

[steel prawn]

bro ask for features, not breaking changes

[fringe rose]

Format versions exists for a reason

[void jewel]

Well, I think it's an interesting question. Mojang would not do this. But what if I were making a TypeScript-driven wrapper around the add-ons API? Would I just mimic the existing files and their schemas as-is? I should hope not; they are quite inconsistent and not always well-designed.

[steel prawn]

ya thats an option

[analog talon]

I don't love the component+group+event paradigm, especially with stupid setter components like addrider, variant, etc. But permutations... I don't know, I don't feel like they're right either

Your world to me is definitely more appealing than current permutation world

[steel prawn]

same here component groups are bad, too bad

[void jewel]

Well, at the end of the day, you'd have performant checks across ticks, and permutations would actually be used for behaviors and plain components at that point. I think I had a vision on behaviors being moved to something called "routines" which were sequence- and timer-driven relays of behaviors not too dissimilar to animations and controllers that could be reused across entities.

But that one wasn't super fleshed out.