Graphics General

[silent zealot]

Something interesting, seems Blockbench is working on an official integration for PBR according to the test branches

[long ruin]

nice

[white willow]

i love sky stuff

this is totally not a mistake at all. nope

[harsh iris]

gotham city sky when?

[white willow]

its doable

id need reference images

i also happen to have a gotham city map

[hollow timber]

matrix ahh city

[vague shoal]

Custom clouds when

[harsh iris]

???

[vague shoal]

My man

Do you not see the clouds in deferred

They are very ugly

[harsh iris]

ok. '-'

[viscid moth]

bro

wtf

it works when i switched the texture to block

what i did was just this

so that's why torches work when held in hand
bc they are loading block texture

[sonic canopy]

Hmm

I wonder if it just requires a texture to be in the block folder to work

[tribal trail]

does heightmap work too?

[tribal trail]

0_0

[proud pike]

[viscid moth]

i haven't tested it

[viscid moth]

nope

the texture have to loaded by a block

[sonic canopy]

Perhaps it needs to be added to terrain atlas file then

[viscid moth]

yup

[sonic canopy]

You can do that even if none of the blocks are using that texture. Although adding textures for all items to the atlas would be quite wasteful so probably better to wait until it's fixed

[viscid moth]

0_0

wow

hehe le me try that

heightmaps don't work

[tribal trail]

😭

[white willow]

Oof

[viscid moth]

mojang pls fix the brewing stand and ender eye holder block not having lights

[viscid moth]

would this work?
it's in the terrain texture

[sonic canopy]

That should work I think

[viscid moth]

this should also be present

or should i delete it

nope

it doesn't work

wait i am stupid

it's in the wrong file

[quick beacon]

wdym lights?

[viscid moth]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-135591

[crisp mango]

(MCPE-135591) Brewing Stand and End Portal Frame do not emit a light level of 1

Reported by

hiroba ch

Status

To Do (Open)

Resolution

Unresolved

[quick beacon]

It's anyway just a small thing.

[viscid moth]

it's not a small thing to me i wanna add SSS to the blazed rod in the block texture

[viscid moth]

tried every combo possible it doesnt' work

it really has to be loaded by a block

[viscid moth]

for example sea picke carried is in terrain texture by default but it's not loaded by a block

[white willow]

so happy we have this now

[quick beacon]

I'm messing around with it too. Tried to keep shadows equal, but you risk a bright cave.. I love testing.

[white willow]

point lights feel more optimized today

they dont kill my performance as bad

[quick beacon]

Oh reminds me

[white willow]

also no idea whats wrong with my end portal texture but, i would be at like 30fps before

[quick beacon]

sphere be gone

Same spot, 4 days ago.

[white willow]

no circle!

[proud pike]

yay

[tribal trail]

yes circle!

[sonic canopy]

Wish deferred bloom would look like that

[white willow]

it is

[sonic canopy]

No that's volumetric fog

[white willow]

oh right

[sonic canopy]

Bloom in this case is the slightly brighter outline just around fire blocks, but everything else around it is volumetric light

[white willow]

i thought you just meant it wasnt deferred my bad. im tired

[sonic canopy]

There is a new way to install shaders now, which works like a launcher for your existing game, so you don't have to reinstall the game https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tiqt8VhNUQM

[vague shoal]

Why can’t this come to iOS

☹️

Imagine a force enable deferred launcher comes to iOS

[sonic canopy]

Because it's more locked down, although nowadays things are starting to change and ios opens up more while android becomes more closed, so maybe things will change

[viscid moth]

OS identity swaps before GTA 6 is wild

[vague shoal]

Bruh

I already have pojav launcher on my iPhone

But you have to connect it to a pc to play it every time

And it also expired

But it’s still possible

So why not bring better rd to iOS

[tribal trail]

because who cares about ios /j

[vague shoal]

☹️

[viscid moth]

does anyone have these bugs in the new preview

[silent zealot]

ambient needs to be RGBA not just RGB

[viscid moth]

you seems to be wrong

any way some hows errors are gone now

[silent zealot]

Im just basing it off the docs and your previous error log as well

[viscid moth]

docs said only RGB for ambient but yeah

this error is confusing

i changed from hex to rgb

now it's gone

now i turn it back to hex

it's gone as well

[silent zealot]

The example shows rgba

[viscid moth]

yeah it's a mistake

also why are hanging signs glowing lmao

also no pbr support for them yet

[silent zealot]

Even items dont have full pbr support

[viscid moth]

yuh
some entities are lacking pbr support still
on the other hand Item pbr doesn't work

[graceful iron]

What did I just do?

[graceful iron]

apparently my redstone_dust_cross texture was a bit borked lmao

nice.

[harsh iris]

that moment when your brain stops all other processes to try to understand what just happened lol

[white willow]

Oh that looks so good. I think I'm doing PBR for this next lmao

[pale urchin]

@vague shoal For some reason I don't see that ship add-on in mcpedl

[vague shoal]

It’s cause the addon was just updated today

And no longer uses experimental toggles

The addon is called mhafys ship btw

I can send his discord server link to you if you want

That’s where you download the latest version until the MCPEDL page gets updated

[paper barn]

Can I ask here about RP animations and stuffs

[graceful iron]

That’s better for #1067869590400544869

[wise hinge]

Has anyone experienced this odd color bug when enabling the Deferred Rendering pack on Bedrock Editor?

[earnest sierra]

Editor is currently bugged with Deferred on.

[quick beacon]

been like this for 4 weeks now

[wise hinge]

bruh

I thought I was the only one with this bug lol
thx

[quasi trench]

#1288861908539281468 message

[tiny grotto]

This is a known issue. We are hoping we can have a fix in next weeks preview build.

For now, there is a work around. If you create a world in the same preview build with the Deferred settings, then export it and import it into Editor, you should be up and running.

[earnest sierra]

Thank you!!!

[wise hinge]

Creating world in the same preview build with the Deferred setting in Editor and export, then importing it into Editor didn’t work for me 🥲

[tribal trail]

imagine deferred with good ao 🥹 (gtao/hbao 🙏 )

[graceful iron]

What am I looking at

I almost thought this was a depth map for a sec

[tribal trail]

gtao

[graceful iron]

Oh

Nice

[tribal trail]

without texture to better show ambient occlusion

[sonic canopy]

Here ya go https://github.com/Furzide/RenderDragonCubemapFix

But in general, if a material was compiled for android, there's a good chance you can obtain its source with lazurite using restore command (it works best on vanilla materials (before 1.21.30) but can also work on custom ones). If however that doesn't work, it probably means that its code is optimized (obfuscated) so you'll have to unpack material and reverse engineer it manually. IOS materials are always optimized so you have to do it manually there anyways. Windows materials are compiled to binary, so you'll have to unpack, decompile and then reverse engineer. It's a colossal effort unfortunately, but it is what it is. Also if you need source code of vanilla materials, you can find them here, for every version up to 1.21.30 https://github.com/veka0/mcbe-shader-codebase. Unfortunately it's no longer possible to maintain this repo because mojang started optimizing android shaders from 1.21.30 so there's no longer any readable code there.

[vague shoal]

Official cubemap fix when

[wise hinge]

Customizable clouds when

[vague shoal]

Yes

[wise hinge]

Matrix 4×4?

[dry verge]

whats the point of this category if half of the community can't even use graphics?

[white willow]

We discuss things related to shaders, deferred or RTX here. Doesn't matter who can or can't use it. It's jus t about talking about things

[dry verge]

oh wait i bet this is java only

[white willow]

No. This server is called bedrock addons lmao

We do not talk about Java related stuff

And deferred rendering is for everyone btw

[dry verge]

but bedrock has render dragon making it impossible apart for deffered or rtx

[dry verge]

beta only

[white willow]

Ok. So we can still talk about its upcoming features, report bugs, discuss with the devs about things we wanna see or should be changed

That's the point of this channel

[dry verge]

theres only rtx, patched or beta

[dry verge]

ah- i see

[white willow]

Or if we wanna share or discuss projects we are working on, or help other people interesting in getting into RTX or deferred texture packs

[dry verge]

i remember i had a concept to making a shading for normal minecraft yet i gave up ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi trench]

cough clueless cough

[dry verge]

its true -_-

[quasi trench]

cough still clueless cough

[dry verge]

bro its true deffered is beta only

[quasi trench]

cough better RD cough

[dry verge]

the huh?

[quasi trench]

cough path tracing shader cough

[dry verge]

whatt

[quasi trench]

coughhhhh

[dry verge]

listen if theres a way to get shades on normal mc hook me up but doing this cough (random thing) cough is just confusing

[quasi trench]

#1234853561280761927 message

#1182091012177399809 message

[dry verge]

ngl thats horrible

[quasi trench]

its in a development stage

[dry verge]

how do i use this? Do i turn it into .mcpack or .mcaddon or do i put it into a shader addon?

[dry verge]

more like before built stage 💀💀💀

[dry verge]

planning stage 💀💀💀

[quasi trench]

you’re making no sense rn

[dry verge]

idea stage 💀💀💀

[dry verge]

im sayimg it looks like Az

[quasi trench]

it’s how path tracing is at first

the fizzle

you could see it in dragon’s dogma for instance

[dry verge]

all i need is shadows i don't need fancy lighting or reflections

or 3d blocks yet it looks kinda cool ngl

[quasi trench]

then use better RD

[dry verge]

Does it add shades in by default?

[quasi trench]

go look into yourself

its something we don’t discuss much here

[dry verge]

kk but ▲▲▲

because rn its a .zip

[dry verge]

owh-

[quasi trench]

go and look you’ll see

[dry verge]

bro whats that mean 😭😭😭😭

[long ruin]

[white willow]

It's just a demo that will likely never see release. It's not even really built for real time. More or less. A proof of concept of what's possible

[dry verge]

Well if its that bad when i try it im gonna revive the like 20 ways i know i can make a good shades addon 😁

[white willow]

That path tracing demo was never released

That was a custom shader

[dry verge]

Eh??

[white willow]

Again a proof of concept

It was a path tracing shader built off the deferred pipeline

[tribal trail]

But it's still for everyone, you can get mc preview on any device

So everyone can use it

[dry verge]

Yeah but beta deletes all your worlds and eventually minecraft will update forcing you out of beta and wsiting for the bext beta and deffered to return once every update

For like a week tops

So if it ain't stable i ain't using jt

[tribal trail]

What are you talking about, it's too different apps

All your date stays in old app

[loud pilot]

that applies to android only

[tribal trail]

And if you know how you can transfer your worlds to preview

[dry verge]

🤬🤬🤬

[graceful iron]

[tribal trail]

You do you, but don't complain that it's not for everyone when it's for everyone 🤷‍♀️

[dry verge]

Mojang really be out here shooting shots at me

[graceful iron]

[tribal trail]

Waiting for Mojang to release bedrock on HarmonyOS

[graceful iron]

Tf is harmonyOS

[tribal trail]

Huawei new OS

They ditched android

And made their own os from scratch

[loud pilot]

how compatible is that with android apps? do they have some sort of emulation?

[tribal trail]

It's smoother and more stable than IOS (I say it as iPhone user)

[tribal trail]

It's not compatible with Android apps at all

[loud pilot]

ah, saddening

must be quite barren atm then

[tribal trail]

So third party developers are working on virtual machines that could run android apps on HOS

[graceful iron]

Sounds cool, but it’s prob gonna be a while until anything comes to it

[dry verge]

It doesn't work for current versions 😭

[dry verge]

im switching sides

cya all when im patched 🏳🏳

[vague shoal]

Mostly any device

And ps isn’t supported yet

So only Xbox and pc and mobile devices

[dry verge]

does anyone have patched....

or has patched been patched?

[pale urchin]

@vague shoal How do I make sure I get into the test flight?

[vague shoal]

Uhh wdym

[pale urchin]

minecraft preview on iOS. I missed it last time

[vague shoal]

https://x.com/jorax79?s=11

Josh Mulanax (@JORAX79) on X

Minecraft Release Manager. Also making my own games on the side - stop by my Discord! https://t.co/h8CZd1xMLK

Twitter

He posts on twitter when new slots for mc preview iOS open

@pale urchin

[pale urchin]

Yeah I know, and that's what I missed last time 😭

[wise hinge]

[harsh iris]

gt?

Are reflections still weird in Deferred?

[tribal trail]

Ground truth ambient occlusion

[harsh iris]

but I had already crossed out the text

[tribal trail]

Very accurate ambient occlusion techni- oh

[tribal trail]

Wdym weird

[tribal trail]

Kinda

Some people say they are a bit better

[sonic canopy]

Currently you can edit the world and deferred graphics pack configs, however you can't create shaders or edit UI

[sonic canopy]

Sure

[raven verge]

how to render multiple geometries in 1 render controller

[dry verge]

How do i delete the games attempts of shading?

Like the weird ahh goofy dim block shadows not vigenettes

Stable edition btw im not on patched or beta

I wish i was because it'd make life 10× easier for me but ehh if the renderer can't do simple shiz you gotta get creative 😈

And i prefer not to go into beta or an illegal version of minecraft 😅

Aka patched

[sonic canopy]

#add-ons message

Shaders or deferred? Also hal or rd? Vanilla blocks or custom?

[dry verge]

Isn't that for custom blocks?

[sonic canopy]

Yes

[dry verge]

I mean like all every block has no shade vanilla n all

[sonic canopy]

Can't do that without shaders then

[dry verge]

DANG

Why do be render dragon an az ole renderer 😭

Atleast i know how to make stable shaders in what i want

I just gotta hope the block shades don't interfere with it

[long ruin]

Just found out the screenshot feature doesn't work for RTX or Deferred

[white willow]

im not sure what causes this, cant find the issue anywhere in my pack but at a very specific time of day, like JUST before noon, all MIE scattering completely dissapears

this has been an issue for a while but ive finally caught it

[dry verge]

XD

The sun on that tick be like : nah ima be dimmer

[white willow]

yeah it doesnt make sense

idk what causes it or why

[tribal trail]

had the same issue

[dry verge]

Do you have script log on?

[white willow]

There's no error to log

It's just a bug

What I'm probably gonna do is just remove mie scattering as the day progresses till this gets resolved

Although I'd prefer to not do that

[vague shoal]

Anything new in renderer folder?

[white willow]

nope

[vague shoal]

☹️

[proud pike]

[vague shoal]

Data driven cubemaps when

[viscid moth]

when was this added?/

[silent zealot]

A few weeks ago

[viscid moth]

oh okay

[white willow]

why does this look so good, what

i cant tell what it is, this looks way better and i cant pin why

[viscid moth]

ehmm what?

[white willow]

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG FINAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY

i dont have to use some janky fixes anymore

[pale urchin]

What about the villager?

[white willow]

should be fine

i dont have pbr on the villager. and removed pbr on the warden for testing

im gonna reintroduce pbr on the warden though

[pale urchin]

This might not be the case, but I wonder if this fix carries over to RTX

[white willow]

i can test

let me change my manifest real fast

nope

hes still mickey mouse

oh BUT the texture does render now

so theres that

its partially fixed here

[viscid moth]

no micky for me?

nvm you were in rtx

[pale urchin]

Here come that boi

[white willow]

gonna fix pbr for the rest of him rq

[white willow]

GUYS

a new feature went unnanoucned

emissive blocks now show their emission in your hand

item pbr has now been extended to blocks

before it was just things like torches

my lava bucket pbr........ FINALLY

also

IBL and heightmaps/speculars now also apply to full blocks

things not in direct skylight no longer recieve ibl

[pale urchin]

Wasn't that always case?

[quick beacon]

Maybe

[white willow]

no

it just always recieved ibl, didnt care about shadowingf

[pale urchin]

Speaking of which, if you hold a metallic block, and walk too and from a tree shade, the IBL transition is non-existant

I'm almost certain it was like this already. There would be no IBL influence after a certain sky light level.

[tribal trail]

This is huge :0

[tribal trail]

So no more annoying sky reflections?!

[white willow]

from the looks of it

its better

i would definitely test it

[long ruin]

W preview again

[white willow]

im currently trying to find a pale garden that isnt tiny

cuz i made fog for it

[quick beacon]

Uh, I think slabs and stairs would allow skylight to pass through. I am not sure though.

Nope! Now that's neat.

[white willow]

deferred fog looks better, i swear it looks better

its more hazy than i remember

[long ruin]

Yeah it definitely does

[quick beacon]

Hmm, I noticed something with fog too.

[long ruin]

I wish they could tell us what exactly they changed, but I like surprises

[white willow]

i have the fog kinda thick but it looks more like fog than smog

[quick beacon]

If Veka were here, he could tell us.

[quick beacon]

What do you mean?

[real berry]

I'd love to see ya'll's best screenshots using deferred graphics on the pale biome and creaking. Please tag me in your best screenshots!

[long ruin]

kayla here to save the day

[quick beacon]

I will :> I just need to give the creaking some gloowing eyes! ^^

[quick beacon]

I've messed around with my moon recently. Should look good :p

[quick beacon]

I got an idea:3

[real berry]

I'll check in later 🙂

[white willow]

will do!

[white willow]

absolutely love the vibes of this biome

i am definitely not crazy right. like the fog looks better than before

[vague shoal]

Knew it

HEY

they finally added first person shadow to iOS!

[sonic canopy]

Do normal/height maps work on items now?

[white willow]

Only full blocks. An error pops up for 2D items

It says, heightmap present, but can't tesselate

[jagged badge]

PBR looks so neat but it really needs anti-aliasing. And I refuse to play at 75% resolution scale to get that effect

[sonic canopy]

FYI you can edit a renderer config for upscaling to achieve TAA without the U

[white willow]

I run mine a 0.99996

[jagged badge]

What is the exact name of this option?

Ah, upscaling_percentage

I'm not having any luck. upscaling_percentage really wants to be 100.

[long ruin]

They increased the framerate of the entity point light shadows

Lot more smooth

[quick beacon]

Entity shadows?

[long ruin]

Still pixelated

Point light shadows*

[sonic canopy]

Hm, maybe they fixed that. Or you need to edit another option instead of native

[white willow]

Can confirm it still works as I did it earlier

[quasi trench]

secret deferred updates?

:doggysmurkW:

[tribal trail]

it's not :c

[proud pike]

Looks like we can make a somewhat accurate guess as to when deferred will move to the release version of Minecraft. Mojang has released the OS sunset article, they are basically dropping support for old operating systems that dont have support for the right feature sets. What makes me think this can be related to deferred? The fact that on mobile based platforms the minimum requirement is being shifted to OpenGL ES 3.1, which is required to be able to run deferred with all its new effects. The article states that they will be dropping support for these old os versions by March 2025, so as far as I can tell we could expect Deferred to either make its way to the release version of the game as a experimental feature or for a full release (unlikely) within a certain time period after the OS sunset.
https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/30298767427597

I guess we'll find out

[graceful iron]

Hmmmm, imma use March 5th as a deadline for myself then

[viscid moth]

i did add it but

i added a normal map

only height map

so normal map is kina cursed

[tribal trail]

Heightmaps sometimes are cursed too (depends on the color of heightmap)

[viscid moth]

hmm i didn't know that

also bad news and good news
beacon doesn't have like any graphics clipping issues anymore
end_portal texture in deferred is effed

[viscid moth]

also do yall know what this error and which file i am supposed to fix

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/bucktooth-emoji-patrick-star-smiling-emoji-bucktooth-smiling-buck-tooth-emoji-gif-8956359514105633234

[viscid moth]

fixed it it was the damn decimals in the pbr fallback global file

[proud pike]

?

[vague shoal]

Me happy

Cause we could get deferred in stable soon

[proud pike]

Uh huh, that gif sure as hell has a different meaning but sure.

[vague shoal]

Ok here’s a proper gif then

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-happy-jumping-gif-26555219

[proud pike]

[vague shoal]

Wait

That means we could possibly get deferred on PlayStation soon too

[quick beacon]

March 2025 feels too soon.

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-dance-z-emoji-asik-meme-emoji-joget-asik-smile-dance-z-emoji-meme-gif-8003429575691782065

[vague shoal]

True

Perhaps summer 2025

[quick beacon]

It is possible for a March release, but we're still missing quite a few features, like biome-based configs, clouds (maybe), and water caustics. Oh! Also bug fixes and improvements?

[proud pike]

I think it's just them preparing for the release

Not saying it's gonna be then

[quick beacon]

Oh, yea!

[proud pike]

Perhaps

PS' proprietary graphics sdk is likely one of the reasons why deferred hasn't arrived there yet

[vague shoal]

Imagine water caustics and refractions come next week

I wonder if mojang has came up with a marketing name for deferred yet

[quasi trench]

fantastic graphics

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-clapping-meme-goofy-ahh-gif-18408016421374838999

[vague shoal]

Found this too so it might be coming next year

Also

I just realized the next mc live is probably coming in march

So we might see a deferred announcement trailer or something at the next mc live

As an exclusive for whatever drop they announce

Like how they did with hardcore for bedrock

[pale urchin]

Where did he get that date?

[vague shoal]

I have no idea

He probably knows something we don’t

Or he’s just guessing

[real berry]

I guarantee he's just guessing.

[real berry]

Yo, still waiting!

[graceful iron]

Some of Quirky’s

#1182095383015456829 message

[real berry]

Yup, got those 🙂

I crave MOAR

[graceful iron]

I’ll prob get some screenshots if I can get my deferred port looking good.

Been struggling to get color grading and atmospherics right still

[quick beacon]

May I ping you in #1182095383015456829?

[real berry]

Of course! Please do!

[tribal trail]

"(shaders)"

😭

[tribal trail]

soon 😊

[vague shoal]

[long ruin]

sad day

[vague shoal]

☹️

[crude flare]

missed april by a couple months

[long ruin]

it was March 31st, April 1st wouldve been the day after

[crude flare]

lmao

i thought that happened today nvm

[long ruin]

Lol its okay

Also,that was in 2022

[crude flare]

😭

[silent zealot]

Pale garden too dark

[jagged badge]

Now that I think about it, given the possibility of per-biome deferred settings (perhaps some way to do per-biome color grading too) we could make the Pale Garden look more desaturated. I think that would look really cool

[sonic canopy]

I was thinking about that, but if you were to terraform the biome or make a base that spans multiple biomes, wouldn't it be annoying to have colors of the game change drastically as you cross biome boundaries?

[tribal trail]

spuglass is a bit broken when you use it

[tribal trail]

late to the party but ;> #1182095383015456829 message

[tribal trail]

we really need an oficial way to change shadows color

it would make lightning in buildings much better

if someone from mojang can hear me, please add:
-way to change shadow color
-way to change sky reflections strength
it would allow for greater lighting customizations possibilities and make each deferred pack even more unique

🙏 😞

[sonic canopy]

Can't you do that already by changing biome sky color?

[quick beacon]

Isn't that technically the official way?

[tribal trail]

official way without changing look of the game without deferred

[sonic canopy]

True, and not having a way to set the default color is also annoying since otherwise you have to edit every single biome

[quick beacon]

Will they ever change that?

[tribal trail]

thisss

thats why i really want them to add a way to do this, like in lightning file

[viscid moth]

this is weird

[pale urchin]

RGB end portals

[jagged badge]

The effect should not be too pronounced, just enough to set the tone apart from other biomes. I'm not thinking like a 70% desaturation effect, maybe closer to 10-15% with some slight tinting

Granted, I know little about the practice of color grading (though I really do want to learn it)

[viscid moth]

the end gateaway can use pbr

it loads the end gateaway texture from blocks

now it's blue so we got rgb

[pale urchin]

Hmm, I don't think that should happen

[viscid moth]

it shouldn't
the vanilla pbr pack has a glowing pbr for end portal
idk what he did i been trying to replicate it

[viscid moth]

ehmm

i am appalled

this is SSS at work

[real berry]

Moar! I demand moar!

[silent zealot]

Oh hey, editor mode is fixed?

[quick beacon]

No

Still a little broken.

Though it's not purple anymore.

[silent zealot]

Not seeing any pink hue

[quick beacon]

Yea

[silent zealot]

That makes water bearable

[quick beacon]

I got water to be just white

2 suns

[sonic canopy]

Kinda looks like lens flare

[long ruin]

Yeah

[tribal trail]

very broken lens flare

So we know what to expect in next preview

[proud pike]

[vague shoal]

[proud pike]

If only lol

[sonic canopy]

I think that's just a broken bloom

[earnest sierra]

Looks like a bug to me

[sonic canopy]

You can test by checking if there is any regular bloom

[tribal trail]

😞

a very subtle lens flare would be cute

And land flare from light sources.. i wish

[quick beacon]

It is.

[silent zealot]

🙏 Forgot to say thanks to graphics team for moving format ver to root level. Now can yall please stop using camelCase in JSON

[silent zealot]

Does uh, the creaking eyes support pbr?

[quick beacon]

Yes

[harsh iris]

Is it possible to use tonemapping without deferred lights?

[tribal trail]

not a biome but cute pale house #1182095383015456829 message

[ornate canyon]

hey guys! so im new to graphics, and trying to make some of my blocks have point lights, like, for example, so my copper lantern emited green light. i've did everything pretty much correct, just how it was writen in the docs, but my point light file doesnt work for some reason

{
  "format_version": "1.21.40",
  "minecraft:point_light_settings": {
    "description": {
      "identifier": "v360:point_lights"
    },
    "point_lights": {
      "colors": {
        "v360:copper_lantern": [
          0,
          255,
          50
        ],
          "v360:lush_copper": [
          239,
          227,
          157
        ],
          "v360:turquoise_froglight": [
          0,
          218,
          222
        ]
      }
    }
  }
}```

this is what i have so far...

i also have Poggy's luminous dreams pack in my world, and for that pack, torches, lanterns, they have this lightning, it works, but mine one doesnt

[ornate canyon]

i have this file called global.json, in point_lights folder

[earnest sierra]

Do the blocks have the minecraft:light_emission component?

[ornate canyon]

yes

[ornate canyon]

the ones listed in here, yes

[ornate canyon]

i also added texture sets with MER and heightmap for these blocks, saying this just in case it might help

[quick beacon]

Point lights don't work for custom blcoks just yet.

[ornate canyon]

ohh

sad =(

is there any info when it will be possible?

[quick beacon]

No info.

[harsh iris]

Is refraction possible in deferred?

[white willow]

yes

its a confirmed feature

[viscid moth]

Updated list of
Not working texture sets

•Banner - doesn't work 
•Bell - doesn't work - doesn't cast shadows
•The beacon beam - doesn't work but devs are aware
•The piston arm - doesn't work
•Horse - doesn't work
•The llamas's carpet - doesn't work
•Shield patterns - doesn't work
•Hanging signs - doesn't work
•Signs - doesn't work
•Enchanting table book - doesn't work 
•Candles - don't work 
•The end portal texture in the entity files- Kinda works??? not for me , check out vanilla pbr
•The paintings - don't work 
•The guardian beam - doesn't work
•Riptide spinning texture - doesn't work
•Skull and heads - doesn't work
•Conduit - doesn't work

[viscid moth]

there is a purple particle in there

[viscid moth]

discovery regarding end portal
Vanilla pbr has end portal texture glowing
i thought this was due to a bug
i have been trying to replicate this but encountered rgb flashing of the end portal
and then i started editing vanilla pbr 2.8 to figure the issue
i started deleting some block textures in block folder
which made the texture green
so what i am speculating is that there must be a perfect/specific conditions to met that caused the end portal texture to glow

any help regarding this matter is greatly appreciated

[bitter cargo]

what if you made those things 3d?

[white willow]

hey so i found a very interesting issue

item pbr

right

its super buggy on pc. like incredibly buggy. things glow that shouldnt glow, pbr on full blocks fails to load about 80% of the time.

i just tried it on console

and it works perfectly

no bugs, no problems, nothing

ITS FINE ON MOBILE TOO

😭

ill get a video shortly

PC

theres one fix, tabbing in and out. changing renderer only fixes it for held block

mobile

[quasi trench]

interesante

[tribal trail]

What

[quick beacon]

I mean, they are correct, but it's not a great way.

[harsh iris]

portuguese moment

huh?

[wise hinge]

too weak gpu

[quasi trench]

oofers

dw brother you might make it after the optimizations

[unreal venture]

mali gpu moment

[harsh iris]

this wasn't happening before (but yeah, must be the gpu)

[viscid moth]

new redstone torch texture for bedrock when?

[harsh iris]

oh, and this is only happening with these leaves

the rest is ok

[white willow]

Which pack are you using

because i think, i may know whats wrong

[white willow]

nope. i know EXACTLY the problem

[harsh iris]

your pack

[white willow]

yep ok i know the issue then

at least with the leaves, idk why the moss is glowing like thta

actually nvm yes i do

ill try to get an update out sometime this week that resolves it

[proud pike]

mer issue?

[white willow]

yep.

[proud pike]

Ah rip

[white willow]

i didnt account for fancy leaves and stuff being turned off

[proud pike]

How did it not appear in testing

[proud pike]

Ohhh

I see

[white willow]

i always have fancy leaves and stuff on. so i never wouldve caught it

but now that im aware of this, it shouldnt happen again

[vague shoal]

Was there anything secretly added to deferred in todays preview? 👀

I already downloaded preview and tested deferred but I could see no changes

[white willow]

Hold on so the texture set fix

Candles? 👉👈🥺

I can't test rn

Also does this theoretically fix the z fighting issues tied to pottery and chiseled bookshelves?

Idk if these issues were present in deferred

[tribal trail]

don't be delusional

[tribal trail]

i don't think so

i think it's only when you make different variants textures for one blck, like different texture variants for dirt etc.

[proud pike]

wasn't the z fighting issue with the pottery long fixed, atleast for RTX?

[tribal trail]

nuh uh

we found a workaround for this problem but it has not been fixed fixed

[proud pike]

hmm i remember a bug report made about something similar

[viscid moth]

tinted glass

it has like water shadow effect

[tribal trail]

i wish we could make water more opaque

like this

[jagged badge]

Can that not be controlled through the various water particle-y settings?

[sonic canopy]

Or with water fog

[tribal trail]

yeah, but i don't want to change the fog

[pale urchin]

You don't want to change the fog yet you want the fog to be thicker?

[tribal trail]

but my water is very thick

shaders have much more opaque water with less fog

[pale urchin]

I think I see what's going on. The surface of the water itself is opaque. Not just the medium

[tribal trail]

that's what i originally meant when i said "i wish we could make water more opaque"

[pale urchin]

I guess what they need to do is make it so that fresnel can be adjusted by the water texture's opacity

[pale urchin]

@still zenith what do you think? Would this be possible?

[tribal trail]

OH NO

they removed sss for pointlights :c

[rocky halo]

How it looks with ?

[tribal trail]

how could i show you if they removed it

[rocky halo]

Old screenshots

😐

[tribal trail]

I don't have any 😞

[quasi trench]

huhh noooo

DEFERRED NERFED?

[dry verge]

yall whats better : block edge highlights or pixel edge highlights?

[remote tree]

Not actually sure what you mean by that. Do you have a screenshot comparison or something?

[dry verge]

look at the pixels on that

and look at the block edges here

[dry verge]

ping or dm me it if you reply bc im going to bed gn

[remote tree]

They're two completely different effects, technically.

Although I think "pixel highlights" would be easier to implement

[white willow]

would it be possible to expose the tonemap operator settings to us?

stuff like white clip, black clip, TOE strength, tone curve and tone slope?

the current color grading is great, this would add even more to it

[sonic canopy]

Fun fact, there's a relatively new tonemap type in shader code called "generic" and it appears to have customizable parameters called contrast, scale, offset and crosstalk. Don't think there's currently a way we can enable it tho

[white willow]

hm interesting

so perhaps its a custom tonemap type we would be able to modify

[sonic canopy]

Maybe, but it's been in the game since 1.21.30 so ¯⁠\\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[quick beacon]

Night time looks fire this week

[real berry]

I can't tell what you're seeing 🙂 Is nightime broken for you?

[quick beacon]

Yes qwq my shadows are gone and only my shadows exist

😔 I guess the shadows went to bed

[white willow]

Eepy shadows fr

[real berry]

Too late for shadows, they need to sleep too

[white willow]

Oooooh i can't wait to add PBR to the new stuff. Also the art team cooked beyond belief with the resin bricks. Send them my regards lmao

[real berry]

Anyway, thanks, the team is looking into it

[quick beacon]

It's an interesting bug, and I love it ^^

I'm curious how it happened

[white willow]

Now do I add the PBR for RTX or deferred first.... hmmmmmmmm

Or both at the same time

[quick beacon]

There is even moon light in my home qwq

[white willow]

Same. Perhaps while working on optimizations, they optimized shadows out of the game lol

Now that's how you boost performance

[quick beacon]

I have a roof above me how qwq (I love bugs)

[white willow]

I realized this might come across as complaining or something idk. Not my intention. Just making some jokes :D

[real berry]

haha. Well, we're definitely touching a lot of the systems within deferred, so that tends to result in things having a high likelihood of breaking. Thanks for your patience!

[white willow]

Yep. I get it. I've broken projects I'm working on literally just by importing them on another pc. Stuff happens

[quick beacon]

Oh? Do I smell improvements along with optimizations?

Dreams can be dreams, Poggy 🙏

[real berry]

Stop overhyping things I say!!! I'm trying to lower your expectations so we can exceed them haha

[quick beacon]

I'm still excited for new things :3

[white willow]

All aboard the hype train CHOO CHOO

[real berry]

Slow that Hype Train down! It has to share the tracks with freight trains. This is no Shinkansen Hype Train!

[tribal trail]

It's hard to not be hyped, we are deferred fans

I play this game only for deferred qwp

[tribal trail]

Not that the game is bad, but i love making PBR and changing lightning

[white willow]

welp. we got new textures to play with :D

[vague shoal]

imagine secret new deferred feature

[quasi trench]

i want them to add everything possible to deferred

let it cook until its well done

[vague shoal]

Seems less likely now

But please let us get better clouds and waving foliage

Maybe they will add more features after deferred releases?

[harsh iris]

How do I make water waves?

[white willow]

I wouldn't say that. It's probably rn "hey we have a good amount of stuff in. People like what's here so far, let's fix and improve that. Let's get what we have perfected then add more"

IBL needs some adjustments, SSR needs some work, point lights and their shadows are highly unoptimized, lighting just unloads itself 8 blocks underground

Fog is a huge one rn too

It slices performance, sometimes renders in places it shouldn't (this is relatively uncommon)

Point lights from full blocks clip through walls, and other point lights will do the same with shadows disabled

Shading gets really funky when there's a lot of point lights around

On the PBR side of things, emissives are a huge problem. It's a super harsh transition from 0-1 and doesn't blend super well either

[vague shoal]

Cough cough

[white willow]

still doesnt mean deferred is finished

there are still mentioned features we dont have

a very obvious one being caustics, as the file for those is literally in the game

[white willow]

transparency doesnt get rendered below 55% opacity

Normals on glass are horribly problematic

example

item pbr doesnt fully work on pc platforms but works perfectly fine on every other platform

and there's still many features we don't have

• Ambient occlusion (yes vanilla AO is there but its not a good option)
• updated clouds (they are completely vanilla, cloud VL fog doesn't work on them either)
• A better alternative to vanilla floodfill for non point light blocks (not important but still would be very nice to have a better floodfill solution used)
• Roughness based SSR
• Caustics
• Pretty sure refraction was confirmed
• PBR for some items/entities/blocks still dont work
• Colored shadows

yes optimizations will take months, but theres still many features we need before we can really consider it complete. Unless its seen differently over there

I'm very happy optimizations are happening since performance is....... rough

sometimes running worse than RTX

[vague shoal]

What if mojang has already added these features in dev versions and have already started optimizing them?

Maybe deferred has its full feature set internally

[white willow]

its not unlikely but also not likely at the same time

[vague shoal]

Most of these features probably won’t affect performance anyway

[white willow]

i feel like we wouldve seen some of this in game by now if it was

[vague shoal]

But we will see soon

[white willow]

AO 100% would hurt performance. its basically adding more shadowing to the scene. More shading = more compute power necessary

[vague shoal]

So why would they start optimization 💀

[white willow]

once shadows are optimzed ao doesnt really need to be with it

i think

[vague shoal]

Oh

I wonder if we will get animated cubemaps

[white willow]

the shadowmaps rn are fairly unoptimized as it is without having a soft shadow filter either

[vague shoal]

So we can make better skys

[vague shoal]

Not only in deferred but also in vanilla would be cool

And fix the offset of cubemaps too

To make it look like Java cubemaps

[white willow]

animated cubemaps would be nice but not the answer to the sky problems

perhaps a different scattering equation would do the trick

[vague shoal]

Hmmm

[white willow]

alot of the sky comes down to how its coded. sure you could blanket fix it with a cubemap but its not perfect

the current sky is more cartoonish and vanilla which is fine. but im just wondering if a more accurate rayleigh scattering calculation would be better

although without seeing the source, who am i to say its not an accurate one

but also whos to say a new sky model would even allow the customization we have now. i mean i dont see that being any different as even java saders with the most accurate sky models, still allow it to be customized

or a new sky model having worse performance on mobile devices

im sure theres a reason its done the way it is

BetterRTX rayleigh sky calculation (my edit), RTX, and deferred

sorry heres a better pic for betterRTX

[remote tree]

Is this going to be part of the vanilla enchancement preset?

[white willow]

It's what I'm using in my main preset but I intend on keeping that one with the vanilla sky. But I might play around with it. Not sure yet

It might be very possible to keep the same look but with your enhanced sky calculations

[tribal trail]

Same

[tribal trail]

It's not like they are optimizing everything, maybe they are optimizing point lights or something

we don't know enough to say anything

but I sincerely hope that deferred is not finished

I need SSAO, lens flares, wavy foliage, refraction and more to be happy 😞

although I'm most looking forward to the option to change the color of shadows (one that doesn't force me to implement it for every biome and doesn't affect the look of the vanilla game)

[tribal trail]

You don't have fog in deferred screenshot

[white willow]

yes i turned it off to show the sky because the fog tampers with it

[tribal trail]

you should get rid of fog in rtx too

[earnest sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064597144352325652/1299064010888708096/RPReplay_Final1729791270.mov?ex=671bd723&is=671a85a3&hm=fa11bb80857296ed45ca166529523b436404ddafdecb3793d15dba0b5eea19c7&

a few bugs I've found while playing with Deferred on iOS. My favourite is the point light shadows one

[tribal trail]

It's normal?

Shadows are fine

[earnest sierra]

Look at player shadows

also they are not fine 😭

[pale urchin]

It's a known issue

[tribal trail]

it's just pixelated

[tribal trail]

shadow bias, it's normal

[earnest sierra]

very pixelated + delayed

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, I think it renders only a few shadowmaps per frame, which explains the delay. Most of the time, point light shadows capture static geometry so it's not worth re-rendering the same thing every frame

Same thing happens with regular shadows as well, farther shadow cascades don't render every frame

[tribal trail]

Pixelations will be fixed and delay is fine for me

[earnest sierra]

ah

[earnest sierra]

I just can't. 😭

[vague shoal]

Imagine deferred on marketplace will be in addon form

And it comes with like fancy clouds and custom sun (like realistic biomes)

Wait

Chat

What if they do a Minecraft movie marketplace map with deferred

[sonic canopy]

That would be horrible

Requiring a behavior pack for client side features

You wouldn't be able to use it on servers

And it'd slow down multiplayer servers and realms if server/realm owner applies it

[vague shoal]

Mashup packs?

[graceful iron]

I hope not

I’d want to be able to use the pack anywhere rather than having to use it with a behavior pack that I probably won’t even care about

[vague shoal]

What if most already existing texture packs on the marketplace get updated to have a pbr version?

[graceful iron]

That’d be cool, but I doubt people would really want to spend time working on that

[vague shoal]

Like true realism

[graceful iron]

Idk, I’ve kinda lost some faith in the BE Marketplace just because there is an overflow of slop

there are some really good MP packs out there tho

[tough vale]

Damnn, what are those rtx

[quasi trench]

its not just rtx, it’s deferred

[tough vale]

so what are those deferred

[harsh iris]

a rendering technique

[tribal trail]

Mojang please add intuitive option to change shadow color

we need that 😭

[viscid moth]

ehm copper grate graphics bug?

[pale urchin]

I've always wondered why they decided to make them transparent and not alphatested

[viscid moth]

I hope it's a mistake and not intentional

[white willow]

Copper grates are also problematic in RTX so there's that lol

Because they use blend, they get refraction applied to them and it's all funky. Then when you fix their texture problem,the holes in the grates are treated as glass

[dusty whale]

What I'm curious about is why the Chinese version can achieve these visual effects?
🤔🤔🤔

[proud pike]

Because it still uses the old HAL rendering engine but in a more advanced state.

The global release versions have long since moved to RenderDragon due to RTX

In the Chinese version of the HAL renderer, they have access to literal Deferred Rendering features like Shadow maps, SSR and more.(Not the Deferred rendering we have in preview mc).

Due to this shaders made in the Chinese HAL renderer can be ported over to the current preview Deferred renderer

YSS SE is a port of our chinese HAL shader.

[dusty whale]

Oh, that’s how it is—thank you!😃

[proud pike]

[pale urchin]

I thought they were using screen space shadows

But I guess that was a different shader I was looking at

[dusty whale]

I just tried the new Chinese version of the shader, and the improvement feels significant.

[grim shale]

Alpha testing is often slower than blending on mobile devices; it's why FPS often drops in forests on mobile, for example. That being said, solid things being translucent is a bug 😅

[sonic canopy]

That means forest with transparent leaves would be more performant than with regular leaves?

[jagged badge]

Huh, I wonder why alpha testing is slower. Must come down to a hardware thing, I imagine

[loud pilot]

does it have to do with backface-culling?

[quick beacon]

This is fire ngl

[grim shale]

Kind-of; anything marked transparent has to be properly sorted so there's a balancing act between CPU cost and GPU cost.

[grim shale]

Yup. Specifically having discard in a shader severely degrades performance on mobile, even if the shader never ends up using it. It disables/negates certain optimizations mobile GPUs can make.

This page is specific to PowerVR, but something similar applies to Adreno, Mali, and Apple Silicon architectures: https://docs.imgtec.com/starter-guides/powervr-architecture/html/topics/rules/do-not-use-discard.html

...the other piece of the balancing problem is marking everything as blended means the fragment shader will run on much or all that geometry even if it's behind other things. It mostly comes down to how much geometry needs to be alpha tested and how common it is in the scene

[sonic canopy]

Would this be a correct diagram for each case?

opaque or blending:

1. HSR for depth/stencil tests and writes
2. Shading (and blending)

If discard is used:

1. HSR for depth/stencil testing
2. Shading
3. HSR for depth/stencil writes, for fragments that weren't discarded

If pixel shader writes to depth:

1. Shading
2. HSR for depth/stencil (and color?) writes

I wasn't able to find much info on how exactly pixel shader that writes to depth is processed, so this is just how I imagine it working

[grim shale]

Opaque is usually the only case where mobile GPUs can do proper HSR; HSR/forward pixel kill/whatever Adreno calls it is not the same as depth/stencil testing. Alpha-test pixels must do late-z test, and other fragments in the pipeline may have to wait on the alpha-test shader to complete before they can start to know if they're occluded or not.

ARM has some useful documentation as well:

• https://developer.arm.com/documentation/101897/0303/Optimizing-application-logic/Optimizing-the-draw-call-render-order
• https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/graphics-gaming-and-vr-blog/posts/killing-pixels---a-new-optimization-for-shading-on-arm-mali-gpus

I cant find the exact page I was looking for though, ARM has a ton of documentation on their GPUs scattered between the dev docs and blog lol

Good/up-to-date Adreno documentation is usually harder to find, but Adreno still behaves the same as other TBDR GPUs, just with bigger on-chip tile caches and some other quirks

[pale urchin]

If this is a mobile specific issue, does that mean Java doesn't have to use a translucent shader (I don't know if it does already)

[grim shale]

I'm not familiar with Java's rendering ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tribal trail]

You have a cute cat on pfp ☺️

[sonic canopy]

Sounds like digging up this vendor specific info is not very fun

[graceful iron]

[grim shale]

it's easier when you know what you're looking for and where to look 😛

[sonic canopy]

I see, so it's a skill issue on my side then 😔

[pale urchin]

I assume making copper grates alpha tested on other platforms isn't an option

[grim shale]

currently no; though that's less to do with specific graphics issues and more to do with how chunks are rendered/the tradeoffs of how alpha-test vs blending is handled by the game

[tough vale]

ey what are those deferred?

[quasi trench]

the chinese version is coooookkinggggg

but cmon mojang

you can make renderdragon better right

make them jealous

[dusty whale]

yeah,I also hope RenderDragon can be improved, even surpassing the Chinese version, but for now, it feels like it will still take a long time.💀

Before trying the Chinese version, I thought Minecraft Bedrock couldn't achieve those Java-like visual effects, but I was proven wrong.💀💀💀💀💀

[quick beacon]

That's just gorgeous. Won't ever achieve visuals like that with deferred in it's current state. I also love how you can see individual pixels on the flowers without the light making them one solid color like deferred does. Maybe one day, but that's beautiful.

[tribal trail]

What do you mean "without the light making them
one solid color like deferred"?

[proud pike]

With custom shaders all that and much more is possible, every feature in those chinese shaders can likely be ported over to the deferred rendering pipeline. An example of how good the deferred renderer can be is Veka's Path Tracing shader. The possibilities are nearly endless, more or less everything a java shader can do, can be replicated on bedrock now

Though that still depends on us having the android renderer source code to further maintain the shaders we already have

[hollow timber]

that isn't really natively supported though, that's more just hijacking the rendering engine to do something else

[proud pike]

True, but the potential is there

It might never be natively support for all we know

[dusty whale]

I still don't understand why Mojang is using Render Dragon, which has average effects.🤔🤔

[quick beacon]

I heard about this one. It's really sad.

[dusty whale]

It's so beautiful! I hope deferred rendering can achieve this kind of effect soon.😃😃

[sonic canopy]

All I need to be happy is loading material.bin files through resource packs and shader source code 😔

[wise hinge]

real

[proud pike]

RTX is one of the main reasons

[proud pike]

we might be making some headway with the first one ;)

[sonic canopy]

Mc modding is not the same, there's still android, ios and other platforms that either can't be modded or are very hard to work with

[proud pike]

True

[dusty whale]

However, this shader places high demands on mobile devices, with a maximum frame rate of only around 20 FPS.💀💀

[earnest sierra]

how much FPS do you get with Deferred?

[pale urchin]

When did the Chinese version get shadow mapping? It wasn't there the last time I saw a Chinese shader

[dusty whale]

If the resolution is set to 1080p, it can only reach around 20 FPS. However, with 75% render resolution enabled, it can reach around 40 FPS.😃

[pale urchin]

So the same FPS at the same resolution?

[dusty whale]

Currently, it seems that there is not much difference in frame rates between deferred rendering and the Chinese version of the shader at 1080p resolution; both are around 20 FPS.🤔🤔🤔

[dusty whale]

Damn ray tracing!😭😭😭

[quasi trench]

iphone 16 pro apparently runs 60fps fine all the time

imagine that on chinese version

[harsh iris]

are crepuscular rays in deferred?

[pale urchin]

god rays from clouds? Yeah it has that, although it's pretty subtle

[harsh iris]

yes, that one

what about volumetric light?

[pale urchin]

That's the same case

We got volumetric lighting contributions from the sun, moon and point lights

All with shadows

[harsh iris]

As far as I tried, there was only emission, roughness and metal in the materials.
Is there anything I missed?
Is it now possible to make a block that refracts light, like glass or diamond?

[pale urchin]

subsurface scattering

And no, we don't have any refraction yet

[harsh iris]

Is the water refraction in Raytracing hard coded?

[remote tree]

For all alpha-blending surfaces it's on

[pale urchin]

Wait, were you talking about raytracing the entire time?

Oh, nvm

[harsh iris]

I was talking about deferred, but I changed the subject to raytracing. sorry

[pale urchin]

I just confused myself

[harsh iris]

well... does this mean that refraction exists in Raytracing?

[remote tree]

It always has existed

Much easier to do too

[pale urchin]

Speaking of refraction, I wonder how they'll implement it in deferred since ray tracing isn't an option

Screenspace refraction, or simple warping? 🤔

[remote tree]

tbh I don't think it's neccessary

compared to other features that should take precedence I mean

I'm sure people would be more satisfied if an approximate GI solution was introduced rather than screen space refraction

[pale urchin]

Of course, of course

[remote tree]

I think screenspace makes the most sense here but I could be mistaken

[pale urchin]

GI is definitely more important, although we also can't leave transparent stuff behind

Especially with how they look now, although refraction is only part of the reason

[sonic canopy]

I wonder if they will implement it at all, it's been quite some time since it was mentioned on QnA and there are no signs of it yet, and we know that they are going into optimisation and bug fixes stage now

[pale urchin]

I wish for at least some warping so that normal and height maps have an effect.

[vague shoal]

We got unadded deferred features before gta 6

😭

[tribal trail]

I need refraction and I'll be totally happy with deferred 🤷‍♀️

Don't need anything else

Well refraction and ssao, two things that will make my life happy again

[quick beacon]

Quite a lot of things I want to see improved to be happy with it

[tribal trail]

Same but this two are the most important to me

[vague shoal]

Ahem

Clouds

[tribal trail]

They would be cool but don't need them that much personally

[quasi trench]

we need it all mojang

[harsh iris]

GI = Global Illumination?

[graceful iron]

Yes

[dusty whale]

Before 2024, the Chinese version primarily used screen-space shadows, which didn't look as good and had quite a few issues. Starting in 2024, the first shader with real-time shadows was released, called "VSPE.👀👀

[dusty whale]

I'm also looking forward to it, but some shaders in the Chinese version might not support Apple's chips as well.💀💀

[pale urchin]

What are the details on this. Did netease add that feature themselves for shaders to take advantage of, was it discovered, or did creators to make it some other way?

[dusty whale]

The current information suggests that NetEase improved the graphics interface for real-time shadows and made it available to developers. This might have been done due to poor performance and compatibility issues. Currently, there's still a limitation with real-time shadows: they can't render in native 1080p. Resolution has to be reduced to ensure the functionality of other shader effects like volumetric clouds, volumetric lighting, subsurface scattering, water reflections, and so on. I've heard it's due to something related to channels, though I'm not sure what exactly is meant by "channels" in this context.🤔🤔🤔

Sure, I cannot say that this statement is correct because there are others who claim it is achieved through the developers' own implementation.If there are any mistakes, please feel free to point them out.

[rocky halo]

I Wonder why bedrock and china bedrock teams dont work each others

Minecraft china bedrock don't have some problems for example snowballs are fixed

[white willow]

remind me to reduce my render distance in a pale garden with rtx on lol

chunk buffer gets overloaded really quick

and chunks dissappear

issuing this warning for any rtx users

[white willow]

also the creaking when in attack mode uses a blend material which causes refraction to occur and the creaking ears suffer from the "mickey mouse" issue

to fix that as a creator, open the creaking render controller, find the eyes material, and set it to default

deferred users, you dont have to worry about this

[dusty whale]

This shader is absolutely beautiful!💀💀💀💀💀

[viscid moth]

what game is this 💀

[pale urchin]

Minecraft China

[vague shoal]

When will deferred look like this

☹️

[pale urchin]

I wonder... Could you replicate that subsurface scattering effect by creating a high res normal map to warp the light?

Or better yet, a high res subsurface scattering map. So only the edges get lit from behind

[dusty whale]

It depends on what Mojang thinks.💀💀

[quick beacon]

Has anyone ever figured out what the alpha channel does in global.json at sun and moon color?

[viscid moth]

i don't think it does anything

[white willow]

Im assuming it controls the color intensity but even setting it to 0 doesn't do anything noticeable

[tribal trail]

why normalmap, just make sss stronger on the edges of the texture

[pale urchin]

That was my second thought in the second message

[viscid moth]

i think it is supposed do smth but it's bugged or doesn't work

[tribal trail]

32x32 imo would be ok, although I don't like this effect because it gives me a ptgi vibe

[white willow]

That or its effects are unnoticeable

[quick beacon]

Would be cool if Aajabrams could confirm it qwq maybe one day

[white willow]

But id imagine at 1.0 the color is more pronounced and at lower values the color would be less pronounced

[rocky halo]

I don't like these very small realistic waves

[white willow]

That's my assumption

[quick beacon]

I mean, the game reads the alpha channel, but I just guess it doesn't do anything rn

[white willow]

Yea

I'm gonna test it later ig

[tribal trail]

made it (could be done much better)

tho i love 16x16 sss

[vague shoal]

Amazing

[quick beacon]

tbh my main issue I have with deferred is... whatever this is

[vague shoal]

Imagine waving grass with that

[quick beacon]

Might just be bad color grading

[white willow]

Soemthing about this feels wrong

[tribal trail]

what the...

why your colos loook so wrong

let me grab your pack

[quick beacon]

Tbh my pack is a total mess right now and I have no idea how it happened.

[tribal trail]

0-0

[quick beacon]

Guess it's safe to say I uhh suck at doing this, lol. I should just stick to making Add-Ons

I'm thinking of like redoing the entirety of my pack, but only when I fully figured out what actually to do.

[sonic canopy]

I'd love to get better bloom in deferred, or at least more options to configure existing one. Imo current bloom radius is too small, and it looks a bit too square, it'd look better if the fallof was more gradual and over larger distance

[quick beacon]

My skin and grass should NOT look that bright qwq

[white willow]

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/bloom-in-unreal-engine you think something like what's shown off here would work?

[quick beacon]

tbh idk

[white willow]

I have been looking at the unreal docs quite a lot lately

[sonic canopy]

Convolution bloom would be sick, but it might be a bit too demanding in performance

[white willow]

Yea

Maybe a bloom quality slider

So like ultra bloom would utilize convolution

And lower settings line maybe medium wouldn't

I do agree though the current bloom isn't amazing

[faint snow]

What is convolution bloom

[graceful iron]

Real

my favorite

[tribal trail]

i made it in 5 minutes so it's bad quality

but it can be done much better

but i don't like this sss style

much prefer sss in other shaders and deferred

[harsh iris]

What is this flower?

[slate shuttle]

Wow, that looks awesome!!! Do you think you may share this textures? Or its your home made?

[white willow]

its present in my texture pack. Plagued PBR Deferred/RTX

[slate shuttle]

So you made these height maps texures?

[white willow]

yea

all of my textures are made by me

[slate shuttle]

very coool

what program do you use to make height maps?

[white willow]

i hand draw them in photoshop. ive recently been moving over to adobe substance designer and working on all of my pbr there instead

been really nice while working with java's LabPBR system

[slate shuttle]

very interesting, i wish i had enought knownledge to create good program for basic texture modifications

Do you think you can show me basic example of images need to build height map texture? As far as i know there are more images need for single texture right?

[white willow]

heightmaps are a greyscale image

normal maps utilize the RGB color channels

[slate shuttle]

So depends on gray scale its pixel is lower or heigher?

so more white more pointed out?

[white willow]

yea so the whiter the pixel is, the "higher" it appears

[slate shuttle]

interesting thanks for this info

[white willow]

no problem

[slate shuttle]

do you think you can share basic example with texture and its grayscale version so i can use it for testing?

[dusty whale]

This is a flower from a beautification mod, not from the original version.😯

[harsh iris]

oh, but I found it so beautiful 😢

Do items have PBR?

[silent zealot]

Yes!

[dusty whale]

Yes, all of this vegetation comes with PBR effects by default.😃

[white willow]

armor trims dont appear to be able to accept pbr

also uhhhhhhhhhhh being near an armor stand cuts performance in half

[long ruin]

damn

[white willow]

villager professions cannot accept pbr

but their biome specific variants can