1.20.50 - Stable

[primal steppe]

jes . i heared that unreal engine 5 games are really inperformant

[marsh owl]

I think getting good performance across all the devices supported right now is pretty hard. If you focus on your core devices it's pretty easy. But yeah if you are trying to support console, mobile and pc like bedrock thats pretty hard to optimize for without a massive team.

Vs you only do PC then it's pretty easy.

[primal steppe]

grapic is a really complex topic its more complex than cpu architectures. when you have writen a code you can compile it to every system and the compiler improves it for the system

[marsh owl]

I think it's still doable as an indie alone. Where I think you really have to have a team is multiplayer. Making single player games in UE5 is fun and not bad at all. Performance is pretty easy to manage even in massive massive maps and worlds.

But once you add mulitplayer and server/client the complexity and issue skyrocket. This is where I get burned out most the time. I can get the core game play done but then get barried in the multiplayer nightmare.

On my last go I had gotten Steam/Epic fully working and could host games, but then getting all the server/client side to look perfect is a massive on taking.

[primal steppe]

I meant especially in the graphics area. I've never done anything with servers before, I imagine it's very complex

[marsh owl]

Nanite and lumen just do it for you. Say you are an architect and need to make a 3d building from your revit drawings. It's setup even that person with no real game dev can get in and do it.

[blissful talon]

Finally a clear button

Loving this update so far

[primal steppe]

the graphics performanse. with game engine graphic is easy but raw is it more hard and complex than normal code

[marsh owl]

100% if you're doing by hand. But ue5 tools make it codeless. I use blueprints. I have a blockbench to ue5 guide if you want to see how easy it is.

I do my rendering in there instead of blender

[primal steppe]

thats the point of game engines : the devs dont have to worry about graphics and can conzentrate on gameplay instead

[marsh owl]

Yeah I've tried to code graphics in many places and wow thats hard. The math is crazy

[primal steppe]

yeah i self messed with 3d rendering.

[fossil fractal]

nmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[molten gyro]

what script version beta does this use

[green fiber]

Think 1.8.0

[idle leaf]

1.8.0-beta

[zenith otter]

It allows you to take the result/success of a command and store it somewhere. Bedrock doesn't have NBT access, but it could still store to scores.

[marsh owl]

Will we get single storage items in blocks as a component? Since pots got them

[idle belfry]

I highly doubt they're going to add ANY more components to blocks

[amber burrow]

First a block inventory component

[idle belfry]

at least for the time being

[dark cipher]

is it stored in the block or the entity?

[marsh owl]

I don't know what a pot is. I assumed it was a block.

Why the hell would they still be making fake entity/blocks if entity performance is so horrible and blocks is what we have to use.

[amber burrow]

They're definitely tile entities

[marsh owl]

Why can't we just get optimized entities. UE5 displaying thousands, bedrock struggling with 10's

[wise spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/909457324299677697.webp?size=64&name=sadd&quality=lossless

cant even get entitys which are visible over 70 blocks away

[idle belfry]

Thoughts on Entity Wizzard?

[marsh owl]

Entities at rest should be as optimized as blocks if they aren't doing anything. But they have horrible overheads

[marsh owl]

It's very helpful to get a very new person started. It's like candy, once they see what they themselves can do, they are charged to do crazy amounts of stuff. So I love it. 90% of them use it 1-2 times then move to bridge or json.

[marsh owl]

Here are my stats on my entity wizard and animations entry level guide

80% are unique viewers

[primal steppe]

adding a inventory is not the right way . a better way is to be able to create costum tile entities where we can also store properties for example

[marsh owl]

Sure whatever. I'm up for it. Game dev wise. I need a way to provide quality interactive and destructable furnature and assets that can break and drop loot. IE like the pot/jar... So having this logic in custom blocks seems like a no brainer.

Why we don't have a simple furniture solution blows my brain hole.

I have to do bp ac jank to sit on a custom block.

I wish those doing bedrock dev were making their own addons and having to deal with these issues daily too. Having a chair the player can sit in is basic 101 stuff. Yet here we are

How will scripting api fix this?

[primal steppe]

tile entities would open so much doors for creator . tile entities should be able to store properties (unlimitet like enitiy property) ui storage and there should be able to play animations

[marsh owl]

nice, sound great

[primal steppe]

scripting is a great think but for example the "breack_on_push" commponent should be not a scripting think making these with a commponnent was so much better adn faster

[marsh owl]

Seems like there is a distain for components and commands in the newer guard so... Depressing and Discouraging

[primal steppe]

i made this thinks with entities but creating them and remove than equals to the block that its in is annoying . normal entity are very cpu heavy because of position, shadow... updates.

https://youtu.be/BANBaUonv5I

[marsh owl]

Only because they don't let us turn these off and force us to have shadows on every f'in entity when most of don't want any shadow. ONCE MORE We had this before they killed off shaders for NVIDIA trashware RTX scam

[marsh owl]

Regardless of how you did this, it's lovely. Amazing job. I love how this feels

[primal steppe]

tile entities are anyways completly differend from normal entity it begins with how the tile entities stored in the world

[primal steppe]

i never understand why we cant dissable the collision blocks from entities. in survival even when the hitbox is smaller than the selection box of the block in some angles you cant interact with the block because of the entity hitbox🙄

but thats only in survival the case . yea its very weird

[wispy venture]

Did you make this? 😮

[primal steppe]

of course but i cant really continue it because of major api gabs

[soft hinge]

is random_ticking on blocks broken for everyone else?

[hoary spruce]

ooh so useful

[marsh owl]

But I thought it was mostly stable

[flat pier]

If you do a diff between stable APIs and beta, via their NPM type definitions - about 60% of APIs are now stable. But, we believe these represent the most important APIs. We continue to work on moving APIs from Beta to Stable.

(this time last year, that number was 1%)

[warm saddle]

no chat event though

[amber burrow]

That 1% we all love

[marsh owl]

That's an epic amount of work in a short time. Thank you.

[wise spruce]

when can we adjust the entity visibility distance 🤓

[flat pier]

That's a big lift, and not on the immediate roadmap.

[idle leaf]

let us control packets like servers

[wise spruce]

Damn..

[idle leaf]

would help alot with hackers ( prismarine JS and bedrock protocol )

[wise spruce]

well atleast good to know that the team is aware of the issue

[normal zenith]

Very awesome to see such huge API progress done this year :D

Wonder what the goal is for next year

[tribal hare]

Hopefully focusing on json components

I’d love to see more components that were missing currently

[tribal hare]

Oh right, I’d assume they may work on client side scripting

[normal zenith]

There was a scripting QnA a while back right? Were there any goals stated there for the future?

if the goal is just keep getting more APIs to stable that’s pretty awesome already

[wind onyx]

Just getting as much of the games data exposed via scripts

More events, interfaces, etc

[tribal hare]

I will say nothing broke this update

With scripting (for me at least)

[normal zenith]

Let’s hope we can see lots of cool new things for api next year then, I think so

[tribal hare]

I’m sure we will, but I’m just still hoping for the things we’re missing json side

[wind onyx]

Yep! I just wish they had actual slash commands higher on their list

[tribal hare]

They feel slightly forgotten

[wind onyx]

Lucky for you, that’s the goal for them atm

[tribal hare]

Kind of

They’re just focused on getting stuff out of experimental right now, and moving stuff to scripts

[normal zenith]

Well previously it was just json they were focusing on, now it’s both json & scripting, and scripting is brand new, so some focus has to be given away from json

[wind onyx]

Oh sorry I completely misunderstood you

[tribal hare]

And I know they’re working on custom biomes, but I feel like we’re still missing alot of features in terms of block components, things as simple as waterlogging

[wind onyx]

I assumed you were talking about moving most of the old components from json to be accessed via scripts

[normal zenith]

It would be nice to see more properties like that accessible

[tribal hare]

It seems like it’s been a lot about scripting lately, which I’m not against, just wish they didnt just stop working on json for as long as they have been. They’re have been a lot of great fixes for it but nothing new

[tribal hare]

No I’m fine with scripting lol

[normal zenith]

Yeah it does suck for json but I think for the capabilities that scripting offers it’s efforts well spent still

[wind onyx]

Honestly, like scripting and wish they focused on it even more. I realize this maybe a bit of a disagreement, but think that a lot of the json components missing can be recreated with js pretty easily.

[normal zenith]

Perhaps now that scripting is actually becoming more of a stable feature there’ll be more love for json again? Idk tho

I will say it’s a bit strange that json has been around for so long while scripting api is pretty new still but the devs’ preference is much towards scripting

Wonder what caused that shift so suddenly

[wind onyx]

Cause it feels more modern

[normal zenith]

It does I can agree on that

[coarse haven]

The main focus with json atm is moving HCF out of experimental- something that has been neglected for a while.

[wind onyx]

Think about json ui for example

[hoary swallow]

Probably the sheer volume of capability and potential it has within addons

[wind onyx]

Exactly

[tribal hare]

Ah yes that’s true, a lot of it can be. But I’m talking about the general components like being forced to move slowly through berry bushes, custom liquids and queries to test for being in that liquid, waterlogging (I’d like to see this on the scripting side), climbing ladders type component, there are in fact lots more

[normal zenith]

It’s just though how come it didn’t happen earlier? Idk how it all worked internally though

[coarse haven]

They’re not ignoring json, although it may feel that way with all the recent removals & changes

[wind onyx]

It’s easier to use, easier to learn and remember, and the skill is more universal

(js, I mean)

[tribal hare]

Still seems to be getting neglected though which is my point

Oh right here’s another, storage for blocks

[wind onyx]

For me at least, a lot of the json stuff seemed difficult to learn at first, and still really feels clunky. Running a command requires a custom id (mark_variant) and component group in addition to a custom animation

[tribal hare]

Uh, you just have not been using experimental

[wind onyx]

That’s true.

However, if not for bridge or other editors, how do I know what each component is called, what it does

[normal zenith]

I think the fact a lot of big json features were still experimental allowed for the shift to scripting
Since they technically weren’t stable yet there wasn’t as much commitment behind them (obviously though we have seen a bunch get released to stable which has been good)

[tribal hare]

Same goes for scripting api, you have bedrock dev, and Microsoft learning websites to help though

[wind onyx]

Component group overrides is still confusing to me 🤣

[wind onyx]

That’s true, but if you know JavaScript, everything is instantly 10x easier

And if you’ve ever worked with a library, 20x times easier

[normal zenith]

The documentation has definitely become a million times better over the past year imo

[tribal hare]

Yes true, but my thinking is, what would a full block made with scripting api look like

[wind onyx]

I’m not here for the removal of json, but I don’t think it needs as much attention. Maybe something like OreUi could work for blocks, entities, etc too

[normal zenith]

Honestly for me JS does seem easier than JSON, both to write and read
JSON is hard for me to read lol

[wind onyx]

Agreed

[tribal hare]

Another point I wanted to make is that they made an entire event dedicated to questions for scripting api, and have continued to really say nothing much about what’s happening json side

[normal zenith]

I still find it weird that you can run stuff with json lol

[wind onyx]

That one, to be fair, is cause the api is new

[tribal hare]

That’s just an example, I’m honestly interested in how it would work, and look

[wind onyx]

Yeah, it’s so weird to think about, since technically all you are doing is storing data, but you can change it with the data you store 💀

[tribal hare]

Yet 60% of it is out of experimental, and there has been almost non-experimental json features coming out. I don’t know the differences in the developing of the 2, but it always felt like json was in the back

[wind onyx]

I think that’s because it really is. It’s a older feature, less fancy, and less documented

[normal zenith]

I think there definitely is a pause in JSON development to focus on building scripting more
I don’t think though there is capacity to maintain and add to both systems equally

Scripting imo seems like where the focus should be at

[tribal hare]

So then why haven’t they switched addon creation over to scripting completely then. If it runs faster and is better in every way, why haven’t they done it. That’s my question

[normal zenith]

Not great for json users obviously but I think that’s how it has to be

[wind onyx]

Since it’s a long difficult task, and scripting isn’t best fit for some of that

[normal zenith]

Legacy reasons I think. If they could start over with scripts I think they would

[tribal hare]

Honestly it would be, think about it.

You can have identifiers, components like light emission and everything in there

[normal zenith]

It’s like redstone in java. Mojang has different principles now compared to the notch era yet they still commit to keeping QC in the game

[tribal hare]

Properties

Etc

[wind onyx]

Also I get it, it’s a skill you’re likely very good at, and losing it to have to learn something new would be difficult

[normal zenith]

And look at bedrock without QC, they had the chance to start over without it and they did

[tribal hare]

That’s why I’m wondering what the future holds, what I say here is purely for discussion, I’m wondering what you guys think and the community in general

[tribal hare]

I honestly want to learn scripting, and I’d like to see it eventually allow for the making of everything in it, my only worry being file size

[normal zenith]

I think JSON is here to stay, stable features won’t randomly get deprecated. But you shouldn’t expect the same amount of additions as before. Scripting is the new (and better) kid on the block.

[wispy venture]

Darknavi said in the .60.22 preview channel that an API got removed from experimental because they don't want things hanging around too long. So it for sure seems like their is an aim to get way more API's stable and minimse the amoutn of beta api's

[wind onyx]

My concern if that was to happen is speed. We’d need something better than quickjs probably

[wind onyx]

Well said.

[tribal hare]

I’ll brb, dinner

[tribal hare]

Not really, if js is so fast, faster than json, then there wouldn’t be something better to switch to, or a need

[wispy venture]

Kayla said somewhere that it's layers.
Someone might start by learning command blocks in game and using commands, they might move on to json or functions, and maybe they move on to scripting

[tribal hare]

Ah

[normal zenith]

Yeah I think that’s a good way to put it.

[wispy venture]

Supporting different levels of the creator eco system, people who use scripting are probably the people who want to use the most advanced features

[normal zenith]

In terms of development, it would be nice if all 3 had brand new stuff added all the time, but you only have so much capacity

It makes sense to focus efforts on scripting imo, especially for advanced features

[wispy venture]

Camera got commands before it got scripting support 😄

[normal zenith]

Every now and then the other 2 get something! :D

[tribal hare]

True, I’m just hoping that around may beta apis are around 90%

[normal zenith]

I’ve been very impressed with the speed at which APIs have been becoming stable so maybe a possibility!

[tribal hare]

So that the focus can start to be json again. As I stated earlier, there are a lot of things missing that should be there, whether it be added by JSON or js

[stone tapir]

Scripting in no way replaces JSON files. One is code, one is data. The best parallel is Java mods. Most modern content mods have a builtin data and resource pack just like vanilla does, because code is for logic, not definitions

[normal zenith]

But what about JSON that performs logic?

[tribal hare]

Question, have you taken a computer coding class?

[stone tapir]

Like what? A loot table? Or animation controller?

[normal zenith]

I have

[tribal hare]

That’s likely why scripting is easy for you and json is harder

[normal zenith]

But I’m not well versed in Minecraft add ons specifically

[tribal hare]

I did the opposite

[faint charm]

did they remove the chat event thingy

[tribal hare]

No scripting experience, but learned json on my own

[normal zenith]

Honestly I’d say those are properties but like experimental json features like run command (based on what I’ve heard, I have 0 experience in add on dev lol)

[stone tapir]

Commands are definitely replaceable with scripting

You'd never see functions in a competent mod's data pack

[normal zenith]

Oh yeah I’m aware haha

I’ve mainly done web dev stuff

And the line is very clear there between what’s in JSON & JS lol

[zenith otter]

Use the functions to run code.

[fathom oriole]

Seeing tryashtar and Ersatz discuss add-on making is interesting since they come from a Java background

[normal zenith]

I am of the opinion more Java creators should take a look at how Bedrock creator stuff works :p

[zenith otter]

Those have always seemed cursed to me, but I see why they did it that way.

[normal zenith]

A closer creator community between the 2 editions is good imo

[radiant stream]

I’ve used Java for years but never got into datapacks somehow

[normal zenith]

Also java players have always wanted a modding api, and I think it’s awesome Bedrock is pretty much getting that (I think Java is getting closer to that as well)

[zenith otter]

You get to a certain point in your creator career when you've seen and done everything and want to learn something new.

[normal zenith]

What do you see for that? I’m curious

[zenith otter]

On Java, worldgen uses Json object based math operations. It's not a quick Molang string. It's just more annoying to write.

Loot tables, predicates, and item modifiers use computational Json too, but I feel like those are more like real data.

[normal zenith]

Hmm I see.

Tbh with Minecraft the line is pretty blurred, but I tend to think of logic as real-time stuff you do with the individual blocks in the world and interactions between blocks, other blocks, & entities

[fathom oriole]

Screw it, just give us full C++ modding capabilities. No more JSON vs JS war

[normal zenith]

JSON & JS would unite because neither of them wants to learn C++ lol

[flat pier]

uploading source code to public github repo now

[tribal hare]

😂

[green fiber]

tweeting this right now

[fathom oriole]

License better be MIT

[radiant stream]

:O panic

[split flint]

I live laugh love at this moment ❤️

[normal zenith]

Let’s go back to Minecraft Pi Edition modding

[marsh owl]

What about cobalt it was created by the DOD, we should get the gov involed and really make this interesting.

[tribal hare]

I honestly started this conversation to get people talking on this. I wanted to learn why people like scripting and why people like json.

It seems like the main reason people learn scripting is because of a computer coding class they took making it easier for them

While people who learn json are usually on their own and figure it out overtime

[flat pier]

JSON and Scripting aren't at odds. It's like saying "JSON or JPGS".

[split flint]

TGA>>>

[tribal hare]

Yeah no, that’s the point I’ve been trying to make. I wanted to figure out why people like what

[fathom oriole]

Typescript better

[normal zenith]

Mmm types

[green fiber]

it's pronounced gif

[radiant stream]

jeff

[tribal hare]

I wanted to see where the conversation would lead, and what I may be able to learn

[marsh owl]

https://tenor.com/view/peanut-jif-peanut-butter-bread-sandwich-gif-5490575

[wispy venture]

Anyone who says jif is wrong and I will die on this hill

[normal zenith]

hif

[stone tapir]

I hadn't used javascript until trying scripting. I just let intellisense cruise control take over and spammed tab until I was enlightened

[keen delta]

epoc

[marsh owl]

There was no internet when it came out. I think people can say it how ever they want. There isn't a wrong or right way.

[normal zenith]

gee eye eff

[tribal hare]

I can’t read the emoji you put 😂, too high quality

[radiant stream]

kmb

[zenith otter]

I didn't learn programming from a class, I learned it myself. I was that kid writing batch scripts at a young age.
I'm learning scripting because I've always had an interest in programming.

[wise spruce]

Were there any changes to riding entitys? Or anything to the horse chargeup?

[marsh owl]

Things were so much easier in qbasic days. Look at these graphics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyBD0X81tjk

[wispy venture]

I think all minecraft addons should be done in visualbasic

[tribal hare]

There are lots of backgrounds people have regarding any code and their way of learning it. Amazing to hear you learned that so young

[normal zenith]

Do it all in redstone

[wispy venture]

It's 25 years old!

[flat pier]

With co-pilots, does anyone need to know how to code anymore? Certainly is faster than the old way: looking up things on stack overflow every 5 minutes.

[wispy venture]

Co pilot does really well on typescript and mc tbf

[normal zenith]

I still prefer stack overflow, it’s my specialty

[stone tapir]

I don't trust those, so didn't go that far

[normal zenith]

Until you find the thread that no one bothered responding to

Then you look at github issue discussions

[zenith otter]

I don't really trust the output of those. I've had questionable results for other languages.

[wispy venture]

Github issue discussions are my jam

[marsh owl]

So many tools discouraging learning and creating lazy people my family would tell me. Autocomplete / syntex helper is for noobs. You should know it....

[wispy venture]

So they don't like bridge's tree editor either then?

SCRATCH

Let's make addons in scratch

[marsh owl]

It's a joke to them whatI do. Even if I learned JS and Java I'd still be a script kiddy.

[normal zenith]

I like autocomplete :(

I forget my own names all the time

[wispy venture]

Not having intelisense is coding with an arm behind your back

Like sure you could, but for what?

[marsh owl]

nah it's lazy

come on

You need stacks of dot matrix printouts

[coarse haven]

Code shouldn’t be written like you’re trying to reinvent the combustion engine from scratch

[normal zenith]

That’s a great idea someone make an add on doing that

[wispy venture]

Intelisense 👏

[zenith otter]

Intellisense makes it easy to learn how a program, library, framework, etc works. Especially if it has good comments.

[wispy venture]

Did you see copilot chat can generate docs now??

[tribal hare]

My main issue is the placement of everything

[zenith otter]

No? 👀

[marsh owl]

Just 1 to 2 more steps to ai doing it for you, lol

Ai can have docs to be fair. Few enjoy doing them. Better docs is good for everyone.

[normal zenith]

My main problem with ai is it’s so broad, I prefer things that are specifically for this specific use case

[stone tapir]

How to get more amazing docs like "is_hungry: this query returns true if the entity is hungry"

[marsh owl]

It lies so much is mine

[normal zenith]

That is another not fun side effect

“It’s learning” lol

[marsh owl]

Like a 7 year old with a 1000iq

[wispy venture]

Tbf that can be helpful in intelisense just so you can easily see what something does

[marsh owl]

I had chatgpt help me for a few days write python scripts to automate my PBRs/MER files for RTX and it was painful, but I got it done.

It helped me count all my pixels per folder to diag over atlas nightmare.

[normal zenith]

is_hungry: this query returns true if the entity didn’t pay their bills and now has to wait until next paycheck to buy groceries :(

[wispy venture]

Some of them are going to be naff though

[marsh owl]

I'd love to see a comedy version of the wiki queries.

[normal zenith]

is_sprinting: this query returns true if the entity finds out that Jeb and his amazing hair is in town today

[wind onyx]

The sarcasm here is crazy

wait

[tribal hare]

Honestly though, I was just trying to start up conversation 😂

[wind onyx]

I couldn't tell lol

[tribal hare]

I know I went a bit over 😂, but my intention was to get a genuine response from it

Not to make a division between json and js

[wind onyx]

I was still remembering this

[tribal hare]

I like the 2 of them and they’re both very useful in addon creation

[wind onyx]

agreed

I don't like the player.json compatibility issue though

[tribal hare]

Thats the one thing I hate too

Though that goes for anything you replace

I’m hoping that scripts will be able to solve that issue, but practically adding things to the player.json code without acctually touching it, if you get what I mean

Same goes for them client side scripting comes

[wind onyx]

true true

[dark cipher]

my idea is json is used for client side things like(models entities etc) and scripting is server side(with the logic required)

[stone tapir]

I think models shouldn't be json

[dark cipher]

what do you think it should be?

[stone tapir]

Some binary blob that's faster to load and takes up less space. Not really important though

[flat pier]

glTF!

[celest lily]

lol, i found that out just now

[soft hinge]

yeah, it sucks

[celest lily]

doesnt say its removed or anything

is it a bug?

[proven sinew]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but as someone who uses structure void blocks for their intended purpose, the change to make them not block placement made editing structures much easier without worrying about creating unwanted air blocks that are difficult to see. Sad to see this change reverted.

[celest lily]

ima assume its a bug they introduced 😐

[cobalt crystal]

It's called Bugrock for a reason 😂

[celest lily]

lol

am i going crazy or is setting my randomtickspeed not working either

its working for crops and such

but it feels way different from the last update

its smooth as hell and i put it to 4096 XD

[cobalt crystal]

it slowed some stuff for me when i set it to the max limit

[cobalt crystal]

yeah it was like this in the .21 as well

[celest lily]

its not slowing anything down

[cobalt crystal]

no it's like when i drop stuff it's takes very long to drop

[celest lily]

ik, my items are just falling smoothly

[cobalt crystal]

yup lol it's working like tick command

[celest lily]

welp ima sleep on it... ima just keep my random ticking component and just imagine it works for now

at first i thought i broke my world and started a debug spree trying to find any errors in my pack... just to find out its the random ticking component that doesnt work

[wise spruce]

did anything change about riding horses or horsejump whatever, i was using the horsejump/boost to trigger stuff and it broke after the update

cant find anything in the changelogs

[tall grotto]

Huh

[tall grotto]

I don't think the script team has much to do with the JSON stuff

Scripts have always received updates due to their iterative nature

[hoary spruce]

what is intelisense?

is an extention called npm intellisense?

for autocomplete

[zenith otter]

It's basically autocomplete. Most popular IDEs and text editors have it.

[wind onyx]

anyone noticed you can run while eating apples now?

[idle leaf]

thast been here since the game came out

[wind onyx]

WHAT

No way

That’s definitely not a thing in Java

[normal zenith]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-176556

Bug in 1.20.50

Fixed in 1.20.60

[wind onyx]

SO IT IS A NEW BUG THEN

I was lied to

[faint charm]

hi

[celest lily]

I noticed this as well... I have been playing minecraft forever and it always slowed down whenever eating something

[wind onyx]

Exactly

[amber burrow]

Must have to do with apple's definition file getting updated again

[normal zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-squinty-squint-animated-gif-17889534

[terse jewel]

I would love to be able to turn chests from tile entities, into blocks like barrels.

same goes will all other tile entities

[hoary spruce]

:/

Now you can no longer export structures that exceed the limit of the structure block

[amber burrow]

Wasn't that always the case? The limit was (64x256x64)

[hoary spruce]

Before it could be exported anyway

There is no other way to export structures, right?

[fathom oriole]

Why do you need such a big export anyways

[hoary spruce]

I want to do something

[fathom oriole]

Jist split up the structure

[hoary spruce]

That seems to be the only way, now I'll have to position it 3 times instead of once.

[marsh owl]

yeah it's a pain

[hoary spruce]

👏

[marsh owl]

3d export is also broken and often doesn't work

[hoary spruce]

but at least before I could export it anyway if I edited the structure block with NBT

[marsh owl]

Yep

[hoary spruce]

what an unnecessary change

[fathom oriole]

They just fixed a bug

Thats all

Anytime you mess woth nbt, expect it to break

[hoary spruce]

Why don't they limit it to 48x48 then? That is the world's generation limit for structures.

[fathom oriole]

Works as intended

[hoary spruce]

So is it intentional that you export a 64x64 structure and then find out that the limit is a smaller size?

[fathom oriole]

48x48 is just a limit on world gen, not actual structure blocks

[fathom oriole]

Read my next message

Not everyone uses structure blocks for world gen. The 48x48 is just a limitation of world gen

[hoary spruce]

There was a similar situation with the blocks with the hitboxes and the models, however they limited the size of the models until the hitboxes were fixed

[fathom oriole]

When?

[hoary spruce]

There is no "engine limitation" in the block models, only in collisions

There were already two ways that the limits of the model could be exceeded and both were patched

[fathom oriole]

That doesnt explain when

[marsh owl]

I'm not convinced those making these changes make their own addons, so I don't think they can understand the effects these changes have from their 1000 mile high point of view. These all seem logical to them, because they arent' having to use the tools in their own projects. I'd like to see it a requirement all bedrock devs need to be working on sub projects so they feel our pain and see why these choices do matter.

[hoary spruce]

Why do you want to know when?

[fathom oriole]

Bc I do so I can know what youre talking about?

[fathom oriole]

Yet, 90% of the creators are perfectly fine

[hoary spruce]

I'm referring to "minecraft:transformation" and that addon that allowed you to make larger models

[fathom oriole]

Makes sense? Why would your model not align with your hitbox

[marsh owl]

Yes, it's sad they don't take time to understand the other 10%

[hoary spruce]

sure? Currently the collision limit is 1 block and 1.8 models

and in the same situation that you said that not everyone uses the structures block for world gen, not everyone makes blocks with collision

[fathom oriole]

Like all vanilla blocks, spore blossoms, lectern

[fathom oriole]

That has nothing to do with sturctures

[hoary spruce]

That 10% mostly use world gen? XD

[coral hinge]

well you can just clone a structure block with different sizes and use scripts to smartly position them, however third party export is on ur own

[hoary spruce]

I wish that would happen

[coral hinge]

additionally just use third party world edit tools

or do convert to java and vice versa to get more tools

[hoary spruce]

If these tools allow me to export the structure to the size I want, could you tell me what they are?

[coral hinge]

mojang limits structure size due to chunk loading problems

[fathom oriole]

Amulet

[hoary spruce]

I already use it, where can I export a structure?

[marsh owl]

Beyond that many expert map makers use java to make map content. Structure blocks are the best way to move that content to bedrock. Applying a restrictive limit on strucutre blocks costs me alot of time and productivity for no reason. We've used large structure blocks for years with no issues. Yet no they are too large and have to be limited.

If they were making addons and doing this themselves they would understand this.

[fathom oriole]

You can copy paste blocks from one world to another

[marsh owl]

You mean the ones they caused and just bug fixed? Those chunk issues.

[fathom oriole]

Does java have a size limit?

[hoary spruce]

then i have to move the struct to java and use the java structs block and pass it back to bedrock?

[fathom oriole]

Then again, if youre doing world gen, just use java

[marsh owl]

I don't know I have to convert them to bedrock first

[fathom oriole]

I have no idea what youre trying to say

[coral hinge]

conventional mcstructure format if you want is not available but u can write ur own, i think wiki.bedrock.dev has documented it well and you can make plugins in some third party tools or just use http api in bds to create custom structures writer

[hoary spruce]

So, why do you want me to move a structure from one world to another?

[fathom oriole]

Isnt that what you want to do? Export structures so you can import it into other worlds?

[hoary spruce]

no?

[coral hinge]

i meant if they kept that high structure limit then it allows people to make really big strucutures, that can pass even simulation and render distance

[hoary spruce]

I want to convert the structure to .mcstructure

[coral hinge]

however a better choice was to make it configurable

[hoary spruce]

the game doesn't let you generate them

[fathom oriole]

Im so confused now

[amber burrow]

And do what with it?

[coral hinge]

idk a readymate writer, but wiki.bedrock.dev has documented it and you can write ur own, additionally nbt viewer extension from vs code can help u learn how contents of mcstructure looks like

[hoary spruce]

generate it with commands

[coral hinge]

well commands cant export structures

and he probably needs for bp

[hoary spruce]

/structure load

[amber burrow]

Wants to load it via behaviour pack it seems

[hoary spruce]

yeah

[coral hinge]

export to files

[hoary spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1109648153302536214.png?size=160&name=hueles_rico

that's what I'm trying to do

[amber burrow]

Splitting it should be fine then. You should also keep sim distance in mind though

[coral hinge]

https://wiki.bedrock.dev/nbt/mcstructure.html

[fathom oriole]

Hence why structures have a limit

[hoary spruce]

Yes, it is the only way, but I wanted to avoid positioning the structure several times and see if I could do it in one go.

[marsh owl]

What do you mean commands can't export?

[coral hinge]

write ur own structure writer and attach as plugin to apps like amulet
and for quick method, just do it manually via hand with in game by putting structure blocks

[amber burrow]

Commands really can't export, but I think he got the wrong idea

[marsh owl]

so stupid. I've had to do some of these and it's a pain

[coral hinge]

you cant create .mcstructure file via command

[marsh owl]

You can plop a SB down and fire it with redstone.

[hoary spruce]

yes and my structure is not small...
I'm trying very hard

[marsh owl]

all with commands

[coral hinge]

i think it saves to memory and doesnt creates a file

[amber burrow]

That can only save structures; not export them. That requires user interaction

[marsh owl]

Yeah in Dragonfire Nations our islands where made in java so I had to transfer them over. It was 8 SBs per island

[hoary spruce]

I don't know any programming language, I doubt I can do that

[marsh owl]

nope

[amber burrow]

He's half right

[marsh owl]

It's like you don't even read the screens

[amber burrow]

Save to Disk doesn't create a structure file

[coral hinge]

well than do google search and try to find one and if you need to do ur task fast then just focus on doing it manually

[fathom oriole]

Pyrhon

Loterally use the amuet core api

[coral hinge]

first its not a command but structure block screen and save to disk and memory or whaever option doesnt create .mcstructure file

[marsh owl]

Then what does it do?

[amber burrow]

It saves to your world files.

[fathom oriole]

Save to disk wrotes the nbt data to the db files

[amber burrow]

Embedding it into the world's database

[coral hinge]

i never use them bcz they are useless for me (i said me)

[amber burrow]

So it's not a separate file you can play around with.

That's why there's an export button.

[marsh owl]

Good thing API scripting will fix all this right.

[amber burrow]

Yesn't

[coral hinge]

api wont get file access

[amber burrow]

Scripts don't have file access so half the work needs to be done by an external program. That's what I did with WorldEdit

[coral hinge]

but it should get a method to read/write structures via json and we can share those jsons via http api

[marsh owl]

lolololo

[amber burrow]

These guys should add a structure stitcher to their app. https://discord.com/channels/494194063730278411/1147393979499941982

[wispy venture]

Amulet is a really good way to move structures from java to bedrock. We often use it to avoid structure blocks if we are just replacing or moving something somewhere

[amber burrow]

Yeah, but this isn't about Java <-> Bedrock

[wispy venture]

Cyberaxe brought that case up 😄

[fathom oriole]

Moral of the story...dont mess with nbt data

[wispy venture]

NBT is not your friend

[coral hinge]

lol

[hoary spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-taxidermy-dead-johnuhrin-mivan-gif-11295817

[idle belfry]

Use amulet. It has .mcstructure export

[fathom oriole]

Not Bros Teams

[hoary spruce]

where?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1141560311657287862.webp?size=48&name=noooo~1&quality=lossless

[idle belfry]

I forgot where

Export button?

I've used it many times

[hoary spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1141412402248822784.webp?size=48&name=masapan&quality=lossless

[idle belfry]

Yah export button

[marsh owl]

Every time I've tried to use it on large maps it's been useless.

[idle belfry]

Why

[marsh owl]

Unstable, extremely poor performance.

I haven't tried it in a while. I've used it for smaller maps. For large content I use je2be on microsoft store. It's been epic. I can't believe what Iv'e done with it

My largest map so far is 60GB

[hoary spruce]

wtf 60GB

[marsh owl]

I also got about 40 miles of western Colorado in, which was epic

[marsh owl]

yeah man I'm hardcore

[coral hinge]

minecraft should add zip export option that does export to zip file(that contains mcstructure files) and this option can export only
they can either make this part of editor and this method should be able to load any chunks and export the structures with a button to cancel it(bcz big structures means longer export times

[marsh owl]

Once I can get 256GB of ram in 1 system. I'm working on a 1to100 earth map.

I'm so excited about it with the new map height caps

[idle belfry]

What's your specs?

[hoary spruce]

ooh its true! thank you!

[hoary spruce]

always the community moving the reins of the game

[hoary spruce]

damm! thats a good pc

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-luna-eat-gif-3997701764820700221

[coral hinge]

7 display, what u doing lol

[hoary spruce]

lmao

[marsh owl]

6 has to get upgraded to 2k soon

[hoary spruce]

you crazy brooo

[marsh owl]

going from 3-6 and 6-3 6-2 is stupid

[coral hinge]

seriously

[marsh owl]

I prefer freak

[marsh owl]

All custom

[hoary spruce]

how much does something like that cost?

[coral hinge]

a camera of nasa assuming everything was latest and never used

[marsh owl]

When I built it $4K ish without monitors. 3090 was 2k cash in a liquor store parking lot. But I used it to mine and paid it off in 6 months.

[hoary spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/966517097779830784/1181351376547225650/FB_IMG_1701415511727.jpg?ex=6580be34&is=656e4934&hm=afbb91dd078f704379277bc0540d7cdcdc0bfe6d367110bf7b0073c9e9feabaf&

[marsh owl]

I have a 23+ year old IT business so I do this as a expert/professional. I'm well over thousands of system built and sold.

[hoary spruce]

me crying looking to my pc

[marsh owl]

At one point I was doing 40 a week.

[hoary spruce]

what a pro

[coral hinge]

that makes sense otherwise i was like no a normal gamer wont need this much

[hoary spruce]

And what made you decide to work on Minecraft Bedrock making addons?

[marsh owl]

well I do gave dev in bedrock, ue5 professionally and 6-7 other jobs. I have 3 businesses.

[coral hinge]

you will be happy to know that i have i5 2nd gen and u better from me

[marsh owl]

I love doing it. Codeless. In seconds I make and have in game anything I dream of

[hoary spruce]

me too T-T

[marsh owl]

I have 5-7 better than that stacked in my bathroom

sadly import costs prevent me from sending them to people. I've tried.

[coral hinge]

I need to buy a new pc

old one has a rtx2060

i7 9th gen

Cpu or sum

[hoary spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1086995892608974910.png?size=160&name=Thelfoxito

[marsh owl]

this is still better than the avg gamer

[coral hinge]

Ig but I got it a few years ago

[hoary spruce]

bro I have a fcking intel 2nd gen xd

[coral hinge]

need to upgrade to 2023 tech 😂

Hmm more like 2024 soon

[coral hinge]

well i can buy a pc but there should be a reason to buy, as far as my pc doesnt gets slowed so why would i cry, it meets my requirements

[marsh owl]

1000% I'd spend a few hours calling around to local businesses and ask them for their ewaste and old stuff. I get countless nice system given to me.

You could even stand outside best buy and offer old people $10 for their old systems. I've done that too

[coral hinge]

😂

stealing that idea

[coral hinge]

not every one one lives in us or other better countries

[marsh owl]

I swear everytime I'm at best buy some old lady is recycling an alienware i7 her grandson doens't use anymore

[coral hinge]

😭 😂

[marsh owl]

but everyone has old ewaste.

[coral hinge]

free loot in my eyes

[marsh owl]

I've sold alot to people around the world

[coral hinge]

i dont run ewaste business

I need to check out some ewaste sites later

Probably some gold I can find there

[hoary spruce]

In my country ppl don't leave something on the street even if they were crazy, they eat it before that.

[coral hinge]

some crazy people throw away newgen phones ect all the time at those ewaste places

It's crazy

my pc is surely cheap in terms of dollar but in terms of economy of my country its pretty much good

[hoary spruce]

I have seen how people tend to throw many great things in the trash in US, here where I live I have not seen that even by chance.

[coral hinge]

what country are you from?

Pakistan

[hoary spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/777688904689516554.webp?size=48&name=nervioso&quality=lossless

Argentina

[coral hinge]

Ah

[hoary spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/773384988409331715.webp?size=48&name=estoy_harto&quality=lossless

[coral hinge]

and the so called pc donator cyber, just sell ur pcs and send money to ur desired friends( the whom u wanted to send)
btw i dont want ur pcs or money

[odd pulsar]

idk amulet worked great for changing biomes so i love it for that, though i wonder if there are other methods

[marsh owl]

Here is the setup, pc/server are in the bedroom behind this wall. They get their own room.

[hoary spruce]

"server"?

bro have his own server for games

[odd pulsar]

and i thought being able to have 3 monitors was too much

[marsh owl]

I've used 3 for ages. But then I wanted a 4k tv so that was 4. for 5/6 I tested them for 2 months by putting them on my desk but not plugged in to see if I would have the urge to move content to them. And right away I was trying to put apps on the screen that weren't even plugged in.

When I got 5-6 done I then thought I really want a "code" monitor under my main one so I can keep bedrock/ue5 on screen all the time making 7.

The usb to vga are $20 at bestbuy. So $60 and the monitor and add 3 more monitors to almost any system

Monitors are being firesaled on social media right now. I've seen killer deals.

[marsh owl]

I have. I've funded a few PC's for devs struggling.

[marsh owl]

The freak in me couldn't sleep a few nights ago, so I spent the time developing this. My first showing of it.

[odd pulsar]

…is that bedrock??

[marsh owl]

Yep

[hoary spruce]

Ah, is that project that is all HD?

[marsh owl]

We don't need no optifine... Sing with me

[odd pulsar]

Oh my lord.

[hoary spruce]

beautiful

[marsh owl]

But the showing off is contected seamless textures.

I almost have grass and sand done.

[flat pier]

I don't understand your issue report:
https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/minecraft-creator/issues/752

Also, please don't list game bugs on our learning portal Github. That Github is for documentation issues.

[marsh owl]

When you export the glb youre entire terrian atlas is included. So that means all my block textures in 1 file are included. I bet alot of studioes and partners have used this for fun, to get 3d printed assets or 3d art done not knowing all their block texture art work is included in this 1 file. That worries me alot about NDA leaks and copyright violations because it's not well known.

I'll create a bug report for the block issues. But same problem I can't include a sample glb file without it violating my copyright/assets lic.

[marsh owl]

this post shows how to access the entire terrain texture atlas using blender frmo the glb file exported from a structure block 3d export mode. https://discord.com/channels/691547840463241267/1009629397428482179

https://discord.gg/QdatRrwf

[wise spruce]

since when is this possible

[marsh owl]

Since I couldn't sleep a few nights ago and my brain made me get up and write down a solution.

Also give me an idea for grass animiations

I almost have it done for grass/sand. Then it's pretty easy to duplicate for the rest of the common ones

[tribal hare]

How did you blend it?

[marsh owl]

Just made custom blocks for each var

[tribal hare]

Ah

[marsh owl]

that way I can control all their side textures.

I mean it's jank but it's doable and I think I can get it pretty seamless to the player with some work.

[hoary spruce]

so, you replaced all vanilla blocks by custom ones?

using world gen?

[wise spruce]

ahhh i thought it would work with vanilla blocks😭

[marsh owl]

No, I'm just adding in custom block between connected blocks in real time

[marsh owl]

hmm, if you used the texture vars and setblock maybe you could do it all in vanilla

[zenith otter]

Yes, it's even more restrictive than Bedrock. Structures have a max size of 48x48x48.
There's workarounds for larger structures, but I believe the devs have mentioned wanting to fix that.

They're not afraid of modifying the structure format too. They've done it before.

[idle leaf]

isnt the workaround literally just worldedit

[marsh owl]

What do you think? https://youtu.be/ZqulwIl5gvg

[marsh owl]

lol

[marsh owl]

what you been watching on yt. lol
Here is what I get. I have no idea what this is. yt is so broken.

[idle leaf]

i have never watched dhar mann 😭

[marsh owl]

I have no idea who it is. 2023 for the win

[zenith otter]

NBT editing if I remember correctly.

[wise spruce]

damnnn so it updates right after

[marsh owl]

40 front, 20front, 10front, 5x5x5 around.

It's not perfect but it's pretty good. 80-90% on first pass, 100% by second.

[wise spruce]

uffff

[marsh owl]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1182836391336480848 check it it. Next is to do the sides and bottoms.

[flat pier]

This is as designed. Just the way the game works today. Sounds like what you are looking for is a feature request such that all blocks have their own independent texture atlases and when a structure is exported to only export the relevant files.

[marsh owl]

No I'm ok with it as is, I just think there should be a warning that it's including the entire texture atlas so people don't give away all their block texture atlas or leak copyright assets.

I'm worry if I google these files in the wild, I'd file lots of textures that shouldnt be in the public free access, but because few know these 3d model export files contain all of their block textures so they share these files freely.

It doesnt' concern you someone at mojang could share a 3d export of a structure for fun to the community and it contain all block texture in their local RP's in that one file? That seems like a massive risk to copyright and NDA.

If It was my studio I wouldn't allow my team to use them unless they were checked and approved. But I only found about they had all this extra information a few weeks ago. I wonder how many others don't know still.

If you don't think it needs a warning then it is what it is.

[coral hinge]

animation component is not an entt component

wtf mojang...

[flat pier]

yeah! wtf mojang

[tribal hare]

Dang

I missed a lot per usual

[shadow geode]

gotta love how they updated the bat model but left the terrible animations

[tribal hare]

I thought the changelog said they updated it

[shadow geode]

the updated the model, but the animations are practically unchanged

[tribal hare]

Fine with me

[shadow geode]

https://www.sciencefriday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/giphy-86.gif observe

why does the mc bat fly upright

this isn't me nitpicking about realisim, it just looks stupid

[green fiber]

It's easier to hit

Bats in games never fly like that

It's nearly always in some form of hovering

[shadow geode]

easier to hit my ass

[signal harbor]

I'd hope so

[brave basin]

why is the id property of dataDrivenEntityTrigger event only got renamed in the afterEvent? while beforeEvent still uses the id property, instead of eventId

[tall grotto]

Inconsistency perhaps? Are both those events in stable scripts

[wise spruce]

someone pls make a better animations texturepack🙏🏼

[brave basin]

nope, only the afterEvent was released out of experimental in 1.20.60, which might be the reason why beforeEvent wasn't changed

[tall grotto]

Yeah

[lyric stone]

Should I switch my add-on from 1.20.40 to 1.20.50?

[hoary spruce]

mojang doesn't even like themselves XD

jk

[split flint]

They all love David Fries though :P

[vagrant oriole]

minecraft one cuter

[wispy venture]

David! David! David!

[marsh owl]

Question: Is there any ETA on fixing particles so they don't hover on custom blocks and respect the collision box settings. I had hopped this was fixed this update but it doesnt' seem to be.

My particle puddles, footprints, and others collide with the top of the custom blocks even when the blocks collision is off. It's very silly.

[split flint]

Have you made a bugreoprt for it?

[grand moth]

Is playerInteractWithEntity and playerInteractWithBlock events out of beta yet?

Changelogs does mention it's moved from beta to 1.7.0 but I am still unable to use it in 1.20.50 stable, I am getting undefined error

[radiant stream]

I think only the classes for those events are out of beta, but they still haven’t been added to the WorldAfterEvents class
also pretty sure it’s still not in that class even in the latest .60 preview in 1.8.0

[coral hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/eac-easy-anti-cheat-gif-24644320

[grand moth]

The event works for me with 1.8.0-beta version of script

[flat pier]

Yeah we missed a few APIs. The following will come later (probably around 1.20.70):

WorldBeforeEvents

• playerInteractWithBlock
• playerInteractWithEntity
  WorldAfterEvents
• playerInteractWithBlock
• playerInteractWithEntity

[split flint]

😮 1.20.80

[grand moth]

damn

[flat pier]

sorry - 1.20.70

[split flint]

Few, got me scared

[idle leaf]

1.20.70 COMING!! LATE 2025!!

[idle belfry]

1.23.40 COMING SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE

[molten remnant]

2.00 COMING EARLY NEVER

[cobalt crystal]

idk about that
lego fortnite is here

[molten remnant]

lego fortnite feels like a mix of a ton of survival games

[cobalt crystal]

I feel roblox from that

[molten remnant]

i think it's dumb that they've been planning this whole idea since fortnite released too

[honest nebula]

idk why are you comparing to rust and minecraft clone minigame

[cobalt crystal]

it's a joke

[night magnet]

did the update make it so that structure blocks edited to have a size bigger than 64x64 don't work anymore?

[normal zenith]

from what I've heard, yes

[dusty bronze]

Before events as well?

i am not sure if before event system is ready rn, i know that we have before player leave but its not cancelable

[flat pier]

Before events are tricky. So we won't predictably have before events for everything.

[marsh owl]

Could we get a way to have a block spawn a particle atleast and some timer to loop it while the block is alive. For the countless blocks that need them.

[amber burrow]

Like wet sponge

[green fiber]

Aren't there still ticking events?

you can just use that component and queued_ticking to play a particle

[marsh owl]

Could you give example how thats setup?

[dark cipher]

I get that

[amber burrow]

That could work, but would definitely be better if this was its own component. Less server load that way

[green fiber]

it's just something like this json "minecraft:queued_ticking": { "looping": true, "interval_range": [ 100, 100 ], "on_tick": { "event": "particle" } } and then the same way you run commands normally

I don't have a JSON example for it, but it's just the normal way of doing commands

I go to Scripting to do everything

[marsh owl]

Maybe I didn't do it right, but doesn't work in stable. What am I missing?

[fathom oriole]

Get rid of the /

[marsh owl]

olctd:firepit_a_block | components | To use component 'minecraft:queued_ticking', turn on the 'Holiday Creator Features' toggle in settings

[amber burrow]

Oh yeah all block and item events and components related to them are experimental

[marsh owl]

I can't do this is stable I guess. So I'll bite. How would you do this with a api script.

[amber burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[marsh owl]

As of right now I see no way (block side) to simply make a camp fire even.

[green fiber]

You can't

[tribal hare]

Is run command in scripting out of experimental?

[green fiber]

I think they want to remove the queued and ticking components from blocks. I'm just not sure if there's really a replacement for them. Via scripting, we would have to grab pretty much every block in the world, or every placed block in the world to do something like that.

[tribal hare]

Why would they remove that?

[fathom oriole]

Not again...

[tribal hare]

Sorry lol

[fathom oriole]

We have this conversation every week

[tribal hare]

If it gets added in some way to scripting it’s fine

[green fiber]

you could potentially create a map of every custom block of that ID when it is placed

[marsh owl]

I'm confused. Isn't the point of addons to be able to do vanilla features. But after 3+ years we still can't even do basic particle from a block matching hordes of vanilla blocks.

But removing run_command isn't a big deal. API scirpting will be able to do every thing well accept the basic vanilla things we need.

Once more I don't think the people making these choices are really making addons and doing this themselves.

[green fiber]

Why do you keep talking about removing run_command? We've said several times that "queued_command" is the replacement and is going to be stable

[marsh owl]

in entities not blocks

[fathom oriole]

[wispy venture]

I live in 1.16.100 only

[tribal hare]

Honestly the best

Well

[fathom oriole]

1.10

[tribal hare]

Ever since they did block traits it’s been pretty amazing

[marsh owl]

If you need custom blocks geos because entity performance is so bad then you don't have a choice but to move versions.

[wispy venture]

Nah I refuse to move I will only make things in 1.16.100

[marsh owl]

So what is the solution to enable creators to spawn particles from blocks. This is a basic feature that is needed. or is there none.

[tribal hare]

Back to run command or queue command for a sec, in scripting is it out of experimental? Or removed? I remember talking about it a week or two ago and it was mixed

[green fiber]

There is no stable method for that right now

[marsh owl]

But it also doesn't sound like there is a plan to do it going forward since run_command/que..._command in block is removed. There is a play_effect event will that be left in?

[tribal hare]

I just wanna make commands happen 😂

[green fiber]

I don't know what kind of implementations they will add

[tribal hare]

Well there is a way

Non-experimental

[marsh owl]

Seems to me being able to have a campfire, or torch or countless blocks that need particles is a basic 101 feature. Why is it being deprioritized for advanced stuff few will use.

Can we please get all the basics in stable first before we get random advanced stuff.

[green fiber]

I doubt it's being deprioritized

I don't think the people working on Scripting are the same people who are working on the JSON components

[marsh owl]

could be. I personally think no one at mojang is making addons, on the side so they don't care if these features are in or not.

If they were making addons then somone at mojang would be complaining about these basics, it's shouldn't be left to me.

[tribal hare]

Correct, 2 different teams

It just so happens that the only people here are js workers

[marsh owl]

That makes alot more sense

[tribal hare]

So they get all the stuff about json which they don’t do 😂

I’m pretty sure anyways

[marsh owl]

and we've never see an exec come visit us scubs

[fathom oriole]

Kayla...

[tribal hare]

The fact that there are mojang employees here is proof enough they care

[marsh owl]

I wish mojang had paid ombudsman fighting on behalf of the community and having some ability to challenge these choices for us.

[marsh owl]

True way better than many commuities. It's a blessing for sure

[tribal hare]

They don’t have to answer any questions, or even be in this server, but they are and they communicate with the community almost daily

[wispy venture]

Kayla is like always here

[fathom oriole]

kayla rn

[wispy venture]

There are at least two people who aren't from the scripting team here, I'm sure there are more

[tribal hare]

Probably just watching

[amber burrow]

I'm sure they'll have something for blocks

If not the events we already have

[tribal hare]

It would be nice to see more devs talking about the json side of things, but at the same time ^

[marsh owl]

To replicate a basic feature like run_command from a block take over 100 execute and functions. Yet they say it's a performance issue... You're telling me running all this logic from player because the blocks are too stupid to do anything is better performance?

Because this is what you're making us do to get basic block features to work.

This is only half. To simply do a 5x5x5 area around player. I have to replicate this over a render distance per block.

But sure run_command in blocks is too much power/performance hit. lol

[tribal hare]

May I just say now that I have a way easier way of creating particles 😂

That’s a bit nuts

[marsh owl]

Lets hear it

I've spent weeks and weeks asking for advice. Before I created this

[green fiber]

The feature just doesn't exist yet, just wait for it

[split flint]

We should make a channel specially to rant about the run_command so this channel stays clear

[dark cipher]

?

graphics team is here as well

[tribal hare]

Depending on how many blocks are going to be placed, this may or may not end up being better.

I know you aren’t too familiar with js, but you can use js to summon the entity on placed of the block. From there have the entity run a timer on loop that when done summons particles. Crazy stretch but better than what you have as of now 😂 (if it happens to be less laggy

[split flint]

@fathom oriole Please make this a thing 🙏

[marsh owl]

I don't care how it's done, I simply want my grass to move and animate. They removed shaders which did this for us with no performance hit. So my only options are a block flipping which is massive performance hit or particles.

things java can do no problem. yet bedrock had and was take away.

I'm so close. to getting back to what we had pre-1.16. Render dragon scam. https://youtu.be/KvuYN55y4bg

[marsh owl]

Please share. I need to animate all my foliage today.

[tribal hare]

What about having a component for the block that says Minecraft:script_event (bit of a stretch)

[fathom oriole]

Again, lets just wait for Mojang

[tribal hare]

True enough

Just love to speculate lol

[fathom oriole]

They have stated numerous times that block events will have a scripting replacement

[tribal hare]

After work I will, but I’d recommend doing what Smokey stack is saying

[marsh owl]

wait. I've been waiting for 3 years. I can't "wait" for some untold amount of time. I don't have that many days left on this planet.

[green fiber]

I mean, you don't have any other option

[marsh owl]

I have to build solution based on stable today.

[marsh owl]

Thats what I thought but people keep telling me I do, so I spend time research just to find out I don't. Thank you for making it clear. I'll keep on working at it from a player point of view/bp ac's.

[green fiber]

This is just moot at this point

[marsh owl]

The documentation for dev is epic and I thank you for the hard work, when I started it was very hard to learn from the docs.

Most of my question I get asked to solve each day for people are more like, how do I make a block glow and emit light like x vanilla block. Or when I step on a block it fire particle.

Or how do I make a campfire and have it cook food, make torches, beds...

I think it would be helpful if Mojang had someone making vids/docs focused on how to make/replicate in game features like these vs just general component dev feature focus. I think both are needed, but from the outside it feels like all the focus is on dev abilities overall generally from a game dev stand point and not replication of the actual in game vanilla features we already have but creators can't figure out how to use or aren't able to replicate.

I understand why it's done from a dev/game studio point of view to cover as much as possible upfront. But from a creator addon maker I'm way more focused on doing x in game feature than caring about the 1000's of things a component or command "could do".

So having someone focused on the in game feature replication for creators, as guides and documentation. I think would be helpful too.

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/you-rang-you-rang-gif-5223560

"I think it would be helpful if Mojang had someone making vids/docs focused on how to make/replicate in game features like these vs just general component dev feature focus."

• I'd like this too. Just not enough hours in the week.

[radiant stream]

Imagine kayla making YouTube videos

[flat pier]

Nobody wants that

[flat pier]

run_command for blocks isn't a performance issue, it's a supportability issue.

[wispy venture]

They'd be 98% transport/ Urban planning 2% Minecraft

[marsh owl]

good to know.

[flat pier]

100%

[fathom oriole]

A slicedlime for bedrock

[wispy venture]

Kayla did you see the new Glasgow subway trains?!

[flat pier]

I didn't! But what a fun offtopic 😛

[wispy venture]

I'll throw in off topic

[hollow dove]

not bad for a reupload vod like this

[zenith otter]

You could probably use recursion for that. It's a common technique on Java.
However, you should be careful with recursion as it can quickly get out of control.

[zenith otter]

This is one of those cases where you might need to think outside the box. Blocks that spawn particles aren't always spawning particles. It's only when the player is nearby.
Scripting could probably do that pretty easily with block volumes. You could iterate over every block in the volume and spawn particles when you detect your block.

[marsh owl]

I ended up using a fuction firing a function, firing, functions to make it easier. Each I start with a 5x5x5 scanner, then position that at 10, 20, 30, 40, 50... to render distance.
Then I use a function to poistion that in 2 axis(forward/back). This method with positioned is much easier. (I'll add sides next if performance holds up)

So
Forward placement scanner(directional) to scan blocks(area) to block anim(local to that scanned block)

That gives me all this front and back. Just need sides.

[zenith otter]

I wonder if a recursive function doing a flood fill search would be better for this specific case. Just start at a single block and it would find everything.

Obviously should have a limit to how many blocks it can check. That can quickly get out of control.

[marsh owl]

I don't know how to do this, any guides or docs I could read?

[marsh owl]

I'd like to cover 98 chunks/render distance if the fps will support it

[zenith otter]

Why though? That's a bit excessive.

[marsh owl]

I can always turn it down. I need to get leaves too so alt matters a little. I could make the directional also use y rotation if I needed.

[marsh owl]

I have an odd usecase

[zenith otter]

Actually, I don't think that would be better. You'd need a way to check if a block has been visited and commands can't really do that.

In any case, it's like regular recursion except you run the recursive function on all blocks touching the current block while also checking if they were already visited.

[marsh owl]

I just thought of LOD'ing my pirate ship with particles. oh man I think I could fix long range battles then

[marsh owl]

Yeah this is all jank. But if it works.... Indie game dev right. .

Any hints on how custom blocks and leads will work? for custom fences and stuff?

[tribal hare]

Unfortunately I don’t have any time today, I should be able to get back to you tomorrow

[marsh owl]

no problem. I'm full bore on this already.

0fps here we come

[tribal hare]

😂, trust me, my fix should definitely (hopefully) keep you from lagging if all works out

I haven’t used my solution in large quantities yet

[opal berry]

Me when creating custom bushy leaves with custom blocks 😎

[marsh owl]

can you show us/

[tribal hare]

Well I mean for that you can use custom geos

I think

[opal berry]

Nope, not currently

[tribal hare]

Top secret, not even Kayla can see

[marsh owl]

thats on my list next with levae animations

[opal berry]

Ya I also animated my custom leaves. Plans were to change animation speed based on climate.

Stopped working on them for a while because of the minimal importance they have.

[tribal hare]

What the

[marsh owl]

I love this denstity, but down to 10fps 2k at 98 render distance.

[tribal hare]

Ima need that pack when it comes out

😂

[tribal hare]

Well, why are you at 98 render distance

I think fog would look nice btw

[marsh owl]

Trying to dev at max for highend systems to end.

[tribal hare]

Ah

Still

Like even 45

😂

[marsh owl]

100% I have it but waitting for deferred to do any grahpics stuff

[opal berry]

It will never come out downloadable

[tribal hare]

So how is it going to be used

(I have no idea if that was sarcasm btw)

[opal berry]

Is something I made for my project. You'll be able to play it online.

[tribal hare]

Ah

No animated leaves 😔

[marsh owl]

Getting there but still lots of work to do https://youtu.be/dMjrrz7uMDI

[tribal hare]

Definitely a start

And sadly I still haven’t had time to help you out with the block particles

Sorry about that

[marsh owl]

It's all good. Any progress is progress...

The NPC LOD turned out epic so even if these others suck it's doable.

phototype here #1184250586003157052 message

[tribal hare]

Yes I saw, running pretty decent for that many 😂

[hollow skiff]

Okay I did not notice this but mojang finally improved 30 FPS on switch

It’s Alot smoother now

I set the FPS max to 30 and it’s smooth

To me

[coral hinge]

wow 30 fps is smooth

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[shadow geode]

it is by switch standards

[mystic oak]

Sadge, they didnt make it into the hotfix

[wispy venture]

Hotfixes aren't for adding new features

[flat pier]

Also, we found some bugs with the APIs so they won't make it in time for 1.20.60. Targeting 1.20.70 now. Game development, ya'll!

[fathom oriole]

Thanks for the status update 👍

[normal zenith]

Just throwing out these numbers huh xD

[muted harness]

yo feature suggestion: return owner value in is_tamed components in scripts. other than that, thank you for your hard work

[amber burrow]

Good to make feature requests for addons here.
https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1138579478923186187

[hot panther]

I would love to be able to set and get an owners uuid with the API.

[hollow dove]

you’re not getting player’s uuid lol

[hoary spruce]

nice!! beautiful

[marsh owl]

thank you!

[tribal hare]

If we could get that, omg

You just gave me an idea

No that’s too far fetched

Nvm

[hot panther]

sorry meant player.id

[languid pasture]

This explains it

[amber burrow]

Wonder why they only updated the apple?

[languid pasture]

no idea haha

[opal berry]

The ||false|| announcement

Minecraft's undercover update to the Apple item code is like a cryptic message saying, "Hey, brace yourselves – deferred graphics are sliding into iOS soon!" A developer spilled the beans from a city that got Creeper-bombed by misunderstood Endermans. Now I'm on the run, sharing this while dodging three sneaky creepers sporting mysterious sunglasses. Stay tuned, and stay creeper-aware!

[idle leaf]

what

[wise spruce]

gotta love running deferred on 10-30fps if even

[split flint]

Beaware, somoeone might upload this to all of Twitter (X)!

[hollow skiff]

You almost made be believe this 😢😭

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

Why you gotta torture me

[opal berry]

Don’t torture yourself with such high hopes

[hollow skiff]

I can’t handle it

I’ve been waiting long for this

I just need to be a little more patient

[radiant stream]

Me who’s been waiting for over one and a half years for client scripting

and that’s just one thing

[opal berry]

The guy reading this who has been waiting for hytale

[radiant stream]

I’ve been waiting for hytale since the day the trailer released I think or maybe slightly before that

[opal berry]

Same

[hollow skiff]

I feel bad for the hytale waiters

[opal berry]

And now I have a new wait... minecraft:digger documentation!

yeah yeah.. is a hard petition I know.. unrealistic, some could say.

[hollow skiff]

I ain’t really waiting for hytale cause I’m worried it will make Minecraft die again

[radiant stream]

Minecraft will never die also probably #off-topic?

[opal berry]

Minecraft can't simply die

[opal berry]

no

digger docs

where

when and how

[radiant stream]

xD

[hollow skiff]

What’s digger docs

[opal berry]

documentation for minecraft:digger

[hollow skiff]

What’s Minecraft:digger

[opal berry]

An item component used to create tools

[radiant stream]

Just dig until you find them :3

[opal berry]

how if I can't understand the magic arts beyond the speed property!

Is it a multiplier? Does it overwrides the hand speed? If is a multiplier, what is the number being multiplied?

I need responses!

[idle belfry]

bet it's some arbitary number someone made up

0.8489789745984

[opal berry]

Unfortunately

[trail crest]

Preview/Beta News UI is rolling out now on this release. (Ukrainian translation)

[split flint]

That is been happening in the past as well

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-164584

[languid pasture]

I got it 5 previews back

[hollow skiff]

happened on my switch

imagine people who don’t know what preview/beta is and they think theses features are in stable version

💀

[amber burrow]

Has been for a while

[idle leaf]

huh..?

ive seen this in stable minecraft

plenty of times

[fossil fractal]

thanks

understood everything from this text perfectly

btw is that russian or what

[amber burrow]

You should read their message again

[compact flare]

Well I used it and my structures are not showing up in game