1.20.30.21 - Preview

[whole flint]

Oh which one?

[small pawn]

deferred

like bedrock shader (bin) loader, this seems to do exact same way

[granite wigeon]

Look how long it took them to fix Mali gpu

[whole flint]

oh okay

[whole flint]

does it work for other gpus?

[granite wigeon]

Shows that fixes for Mojang is not easy because there are way more stuff they gotta do than a bin file

[small pawn]

it's alot.

since mali-gpu works way different than AMD/adernos

[half pine]

@crystal hornet so about volumetrics in Deferred

Customizability for volumetrics is pretty important as sometimes as a map maker i like to have different spaces and scenes have different atmospheres

Would it be possible to have that kind of flexible customization with the volumetric lighting?

[iron mauve]

Remember that volume command in upcoming creator features?

[half pine]

i do not, was it being introduced as a command? veka didn’t mention it to me

[iron mauve]

It was a long time ago

[iron mauve]

Here it is
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-gb/minecraft/creator/commands/commands/volumearea

It allows you to specify volumes of fog. Would go great with this new graphics

[half pine]

in theory

it might not work

[floral yacht]

what is it looks like in game? that my first time seeing that

[iron mauve]

Imagine going into a room filled with ice, and from the outside, you can see the frost

A whole new layer to adventure maps

[half pine]

yes but was this created with deferred in mind?

[iron mauve]

Nope, but it would be nice if it did

They'd have to some recoding to make it so local volumes are treated different in a deferred pipeline

[floral yacht]

how to use that command?

[iron mauve]

Currently the volume just changes what fog player sees around them. Like a minibiome

[iron mauve]

The link

[half pine]

has anyone tested it with the preview yet

[hard obsidian]

Why dont you?

[iron mauve]

Fog definition files aren't hooked up to deferred yet

[half pine]

i dont have access rn and for a bit, i was asking to see if anyone had tried it yet

[half pine]

makes sense

[crystal hornet]

give everything time. 🙂 We're still early, and lots more to do.

[half pine]

making sure im on the edge pushing the envelope, keeping the ideas fresh in the mind of others

[hard obsidian]

@crystal hornet correct me if im wrong, but is the graphics team a sub team within the overall team you oversee (addons, script, editor) or is it a separate team that so happened to work with yours to deliver the rd api?

[crystal hornet]

I work with a lot of teams to drive Creator initiatives.

[hard atlas]

Ofc. Being a creator product manager/executive gives a chance to involve with every team possible that makes things

[stiff vessel]

Also allows you to add MOAR TOGGLES

[coral parcel]

On the other hand JS is easier to learn if you know other languages like Python.

[pastel sluice]

So you know JS? Name every single feature and syntax

[stiff vessel]

math.random();

[pastel sluice]

Lua is easy to learn because you can learn it to a point where you know everything about it. Doing that for Python is slighty harder but still doable. While for JS 💀

[hard obsidian]

Hello.World("console.log")

[stiff vessel]

Just write it in TS and convert it to JS /s

[proper axle]

Lua has some more features but JS is still more Prototype Based OOP, and ya syntax is more common

but i want metatables

[pastel sluice]

So you say lua has more features and richer syntax than js

[hard obsidian]

My only gripes is the syntax for lua. Other than that ot seems to have more potebtial than js or py

[proper axle]

I'm not saying that lua has more features but the syntax is not as intuitive as js, I also think that JS is more clean and less typed

[undone thicket]

I don't think anyone ever accused JS of being strongly typed :p

[proper axle]

I like how JS works xd

JS should be strongly typed since everythink is dynamic

xd

actually if you use TS then you are no longer have that many dynamic features enabled

but one problem is what i see in JS is that if you have bigger project then its complexity is expontial to solve in JS then in other languages

TS make it 2x simplier

[pastel sluice]

Dynamic types is the "best" part. Don't you love it when programming language can look like this (![]+[])[+[]]+(![]+[])[+!+[]]+([![]]+[][[]])[+!+[]+[+[]]]+(![]+[])[!+[]+!+[]];

[pastel sluice]

I always thought completely the opposite. The fact that it's not versioned means that there is an infinitely growing set of features and at some point, no matter how much JS you know, you will encounter something that you don't know. And since it's very dynamically typed that allows for basically random sequences of ascii characters to be valid js code

[undone thicket]

??????

[proper axle]

oh, typo i mean should not* xd

[proper axle]

ya, but i really miss operator overloading since this lua actually has right? still JS could be easer to code with since declarations files are very nice way to type your code or something

but i was able to replicate C# events syntax in JS lol

//[email protected]
import "con-api";

function bob(args){
    console.warn("Hello World!");
    world.afterEvents.playerSpawn -= bob;
}
world.afterEvents.playerSpawn += bob;

[glossy pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/white-dog-shaking-scared-nervous-dog-scared-and-shaking-gif-22874221

me worried that deferred won’t come to switch

[granite wigeon]

Use steamdeck

[small pawn]

steam dec..

wait

you gotta install windows on that thing

[glossy pilot]

steam deck battery isn’t that good

[small pawn]

that was kinda expected?

it's just a whole pc cramed into one handheld

the SOC itself is made by AMD so chance are, yeah that might consume power

as long you don't play intensive game, steam deck battery should be fine

[void sinew]

be more worried if it does lol

[glossy pilot]

no

[void sinew]

pipe bomb

[coral parcel]

It already runs at 5 FPS and a RD of 4 without
Why would you want more load ?

[glossy pilot]

switch don’t run at 5 fps 💀

it runs at 60

unless your talking about deferred

but that’s cause mojang still gotta optimize

also mc legends switch has shaders and they run perfectly fine at 40 fps

i just played it last night and was surprised with no lag

my switch built differently lol

[small pawn]

mc legends on switch was based on 1.17.0

but yeah mojang might need to optimize bedrock on switch

[glossy pilot]

vsync option will help with that

cause mojang is adding a vsync option

[small pawn]

switch has vsync on by default so I don't think turning vsync off in-game would change anything

( same goes to android )

[void sinew]

60? damn

whenever i play minecraft on my switch it's usually lower then that, also freezes a lot from my experience but my switch is like.. 6 years old so it might be that

[glossy pilot]

my switch is a lite from 2019

[void sinew]

word

[glossy pilot]

might be time to get a new kind of console

like a steam deck or rogally

[small pawn]

performance may vary on storage and how the game optimized I assume. honestly even I heard that minecraft switch edition (not bedrock) actually runs better than bedrock on a switch

[glossy pilot]

my switch does have a broken shell

[glossy pilot]

switch edition obviously runs better

cause it’s on 1.12

i have a lot of storage left on my switch

[small pawn]

I don't have switch so eh

[glossy pilot]

but i believe it could run deferred at a decent frame rate

[small pawn]

even if I do, I would immediately jailbreak it and give a linux a try.

[glossy pilot]

if not then hello steamdeck

[kindred rapids]

Switch will always be superior because is the Nintendo Switch

And yes, legacy edition runs way better on switch than bedrock

[small pawn]

Switch might have a trouble time running deferred since the SOC was really, really old.

[glossy pilot]

the what now

[small pawn]

yeah, switch SOC was just basically an nvidia soc from probably 7 years ago

a nvidia soc that made for nvidia tablet and it's TV

[glossy pilot]

oh ye

[small pawn]

so, think of it like mid-range phone to this standard.

[glossy pilot]

the tegra

howcome they didn’t change it when oled came out

[half pine]

they only updated the cpu on it i think

[small pawn]

it's not "pro" version so eh, they don't plan to upgrade anything. they kinda upgraded CPU but at the same time nope

[half pine]

a "refresh"

[small pawn]

just more battery efficient I guess, though the performance still the same

no improvements expect the battery

[half pine]

this is kinda #off-topic

[small pawn]

switch probably can't run deferred

in the uh, bedrock state

on a switch

[iron mauve]

There have been several screenshots and footage of deferred running on the switch at decent frame rates

[glossy pilot]

yes

[small pawn]

optimization at large I see

[glossy pilot]

but that was overclocked sadly

😭

[small pawn]

who doesn't love overclocked switch

[iron mauve]

And the one that wasn't overclocked

Wasn't it at like 17 FPS or something?

[half pine]

yikes

[small pawn]

17fps pff

[iron mauve]

Better than the FPS on Android

[glossy pilot]

uhh you mean this one ?

[half pine]

dont worry just plug a external gpu into the type c port

[iron mauve]

Yeah

[glossy pilot]

this video is overclocked

[small pawn]

hey I have more than 17fps on my old phone

[iron mauve]

Serious?

[glossy pilot]

the none overcloked video was at 10 fps 😦

[iron mauve]

Oh that's not so bad

Again compared to Android

And optimization didn't take place yet

[glossy pilot]

by the way he had it at 8 chunks

or 9

[small pawn]

I still have more fps than the switch

[void sinew]

word

[iron mauve]

I'm sure deferred will come to Switch. If not switch at least Nintendo's next console

[glossy pilot]

if that’s the case time to buy a steamdeck

my switch is from 2019 anyway and the shell is cracked cause i tried to replace joystick

[kindred rapids]

skill issue

[glossy pilot]

i might have broken a speaker too 😭

[small pawn]

bro you have 3 switches

[iron mauve]

That's nothing. I still have a Wii

[small pawn]

shut up

[kindred rapids]

that’s not the point

Lol

[small pawn]

can bedrock run on a wii

[glossy pilot]

ofc not

[kindred rapids]

Not officially

[iron mauve]

Definitely not

Unless it's completely dumbed down

Then there's the control thing

[small pawn]

I have modded wii on my basement so thinking about playing minecraft

[iron mauve]

Although using the pointer would be nice

[kindred rapids]

Minecraft Wii Sports edition

[small pawn]

I wonder will mali-gpu run well on deferred officially

[void sinew]

by jove

[small pawn]

not like, modded bins

[iron mauve]

I think I have a Mali. When it works I'll try it

I haven't installed the Betas

[small pawn]

I have both mali and adernos though old

[iron mauve]

Minecraft RTX on the N64 anybody?

[small pawn]

imagine playing bedrock deferred on playstation one

[native merlin]

wait wait, when did the switch start getting beta versions of Minecraft?

[small pawn]

oh just noticed

it's jailbroken switch that runs android.

[glossy pilot]

It’s a jailbroken switch

Running android

[native merlin]

ahh

makes sense now

[half pine]

its a jailbroken switch running android

[native merlin]

yeah
i remember watching linus’ video on how to install android on a switch

[kindred rapids]

guys

it’s jailbroken switch running android 🤓

[stiff vessel]

Guys, I think it is a jailbroken switch running android

[granite wigeon]

what GPU is in a switch

[native merlin]

NVidia Tegra iirc

[granite wigeon]

not a great GPU

[native merlin]

it’s a bit old

[granite wigeon]

it's ancient

[native merlin]

yeah

[stiff vessel]

As old as Thomas

[native merlin]

but who’s older?

[stiff vessel]

Probably the old ancient GPU

[native merlin]

@sharp yacht, we found someone who’s older than you

[sharp yacht]

Oh?

[native merlin]

Wait, nevermind

I think the GPU might be younger than you

[stiff vessel]

Yeah the GPU is 8 years old now

[native merlin]

Poor Thomas

[sharp yacht]

I'm 24 😂

And last time I checked I think @crystal hornet was 132 so she's for sure older than me

[crystal hornet]

132 and a half

[sharp yacht]

Sorry I always forget the half

[native merlin]

Someone’s becoming old

[glossy pilot]

hi

[proper token]

I am technically older than him too.

[half pine]

you’re like 30 right

[native merlin]

oh

I never knew

[proper token]

Older than SP, but I'm not 30 yet. 😅

Where does the time go.

[native merlin]

hmm

[whole flint]

Cannot relate, I am 18

[native merlin]

I have a better question, does time actually fly?

[proper token]

Maybe that's why it's always out of reach.

[random osprey]

and i was thinking that i was old with 16 years

[full cypress]

🤔 I has a better one. Does time actually exist

[native merlin]

Maybe? idk

[coral parcel]

well by the time the DRP releases the next Switch will probably be on the market

[small pawn]

the new switch has near performance between PS3 and Xbox one.

so perhaps that might run

[coral parcel]

I meant the upcoming switch
Tlanned for if, I remember well, spring 2024

[small pawn]

well that's what I said though

it's the new switch.

or more preferably the second gen switch.

because the official nintendo website said "NX2". NX was switch codename so yeah

[glad ruin]

Probably never gonna happen unless they working something dimension related

[late aurora]

is new beta coming tonight

[glad ruin]

We would have to see

[late aurora]

okay thanks

[eager canyon]

When is the official release?

[shadow tangle]

No signs yet

[eager canyon]

Ok

[small pawn]

cool looking deferred on mali-gpu with 12 deferred distance.

on a mid-range/budget phone.

[native merlin]

neat!

[small pawn]

it was unofficial fix but it really looks playable ngl

[slate fable]

yeah that 12 fps

looks really playable huh

[small pawn]

again 12 deferred distance

it's the max distance I can have atm

[slate fable]

It took deferred rendering to be capable in add-ons for me to realize why a graphics update never happened

everyone is still playing this game on their fridge

[small pawn]

well it's their problems I suppose

I would say the same to those people who using switch, jailbreak it and run android just to play deferred

or either install steam os and play it in there

or maybe I can use mid-range phone, root it, install windows and play PC games. same energy.

aswell overclock it.

[whole flint]

real

[small pawn]

overclocked my phone and seems getting 26-30ish fps, same settings.

good enough for me.

[late aurora]

I like the world screen

Also this version is 1.20.30.22

[small pawn]

modded ui?

[late aurora]

No

[small pawn]

Oh nevermind forgot to read

30.22

[late aurora]

This was leaked on Twitter

[native merlin]

1.20.30.22 hasn’t been released yet lol

i feel like it’s fake

[iron mauve]

You're hurting my brain

[late aurora]

Someone tweeted it to eckosoldier

Also it is running on mali gpu

[small pawn]

lol json-ui world selection screen are "officially" getting mixed with ore-ui theming.

well, can't confirm either it was leaked or what

[late aurora]

https://twitter.com/Awot2018/status/1691838345175855194

ОПГ желейная помадка (@Awot2018)

@eckoxsoldier But will there be a new beta version today or will we have to wait again for next week, in which there will be a new change in the render dragon engine in minecraft bedrock edition 1.20.30.22 with bug fixes deferred technical preview for processors such as Huawei Kirin 980. #MCPE

Twitter · Aug 16, 2023, 3:44 PM

[native merlin]

it’s 100% fake

[iron mauve]

Fakr

[small pawn]

fake.

[iron mauve]

The guy always posts these weird screenshots

[native merlin]

yeah

[kindred forge]

bro a russian

[late aurora]

:/ I got rolled

[small pawn]

that guy posts alot of concepts so eh, 100% fake

[native merlin]

Yeah

[small pawn]

also there's no way that mojang would make json-ui as ore-ui theming

[native merlin]

Yep!

[late aurora]

However it is nice

[small pawn]

no it don't.

[native merlin]

I don’t like it tbh

[small pawn]

It looks like one of those weird UI I've seen somewhere on mcpedl

[late aurora]

I like it instead of our current ui when selecting world

Current one is too narrow

[small pawn]

ore-ui has better one for that...

maybe if you like the grid ofc

[iron mauve]

If they're working on an Ore UI version, why would they make a JSON UI one?

[small pawn]

exactly.

[late aurora]

That is a good point

[native merlin]

:D

[late aurora]

Are they leaks?

Or texture packs

[kindred forge]

texture pack pretty sure

[native merlin]

Nope

[kindred forge]

👀

[iron mauve]

photoshop

[sharp yacht]

Minecraft fridge edition when

[kindred forge]

lmao

[native merlin]

I spent hours modifying OreUI just to get the UI to work lol

[kindred forge]

damn

[small pawn]

make it non-grid

[late aurora]

I don't like tile or grid but I like that it fills the whole screen

[kindred forge]

ur using the minecraft developper version?

[native merlin]

Nope

[small pawn]

also another thing

#1019692489596215388 message

[native merlin]

:<

[small pawn]

yeah, soooo I'm not gonna confirm any leaks and stuff

also the reason why I'm able to play deferred with mali-gpu because it was community fix, so it is unofficial

and may different to mojang's actual fix.

[native merlin]

it’s not under NDA so I should be fine :D

I had to modify the game files to get it to show up :D

[kindred forge]

[elfin pebble]

💀

[late aurora]

this is fake

[iron mauve]

I made some things

[late aurora]

do you mean the noise?

[iron mauve]

Haha

[late aurora]

oh

i just realized it

so we just need a denoiser then

[late aurora]

bin file?

[iron mauve]

Sure. Go nuts

[late aurora]

if you dont mind can i extrack or decompile it

[iron mauve]

go right ahead

[proper axle]

Bruh thats so Fake! Lol looks like a photoshop 🫠

deferred technical preview for processors such as Huawei Kirin 980.
bro literary things GPU is not useful for deferred oh no

[late aurora]

yeah

[proper axle]

thats really sad

[small pawn]

mali-gpu go brrrrrr

though, no bloom effect for idk reasons, I'ma wait for official fix.

[late aurora]

personally i like without bloom

[small pawn]

the state of this community fix is really unstable atm

e.g screen is really glitchy if you don't hold something

[late aurora]

i just hope it dont crash too bad

[small pawn]

I don't mind really, it's just community fix after all

[late aurora]

mojang: working on shaders and apis
mcpe players: waiting for mappable buttons :/

[small pawn]

Strangely enough I feel like minecraft isn't using my hardware at fullest since my phone isn't really heating or overheating itself

even with overclocking

other games like roblox or asphalt 9 does heat.

[late aurora]

You should watch the ram usage

[small pawn]

it looks normal to me

[late aurora]

I am seeing ram usage getting higher

i am on my pc so it should be why

[small pawn]

I don't see memory leaking on this build

it looks fine and normal to me

I've played for hours and my phone didn't heat up

[late aurora]

no leaking but just a little higher than usual

[small pawn]

eh

though my phone didn't like that though

turned out taking screenshot takes a half of the whole game screen for some reason, though it's random so

[late aurora]

probably getting some errors in the pipeline

[small pawn]

cool thing is, my mid-range budget phone runs better than jailbroken switch that runs on android

[late aurora]

is mali gpu hard to work on or snapdragon just easir?

[late aurora]

I dont even know how switch is running minecraft

[small pawn]

most developers said mali is hard due to not having proper source code, while adernos seem to really easy to understand and implement

[small pawn]

deferred minecraft on a switch.

[late aurora]

do you mean normal or deferred

[small pawn]

deferred.

[late aurora]

oh thats why but switch soc is like 8 years old

[small pawn]

switch soc aren't mali.

nor adernos

[late aurora]

yeah

[small pawn]

though yeah that SOC was made for nvidia tv and their tablets

[late aurora]

that is like arm cpu and nvidia gpu

[small pawn]

a concept of running PC games on android

[late aurora]

nvidia shield

[small pawn]

with lots of ported games

[late aurora]

yeah

[small pawn]

nowadays you have that same of performance in mid-range

I have HL2 on a phone and really runs better than nvidia shield.

90hz is even better

[late aurora]

I just hope the switch two surprises us

[small pawn]

well that performance would be around Xbox one and PS3

still nowhere near to steam deck.

[late aurora]

yeah switch games don't need that much power

[small pawn]

It's nintendo thing

[late aurora]

just hope they don't charge too much money

[small pawn]

they're being like that for nearly 20 years now

just make their game playable with low cost possible.

[late aurora]

kinda smart but steam deck have started a new wave in portable gaming

if you buy switch you don't buy for performance you buy for games

[small pawn]

it's valve thing all over again

It's always valve that made game industry more advanced

[late aurora]

valve formula

release some game-changing stuff
wait for some one to do it better
repeat

thanks for the material bin

@small pawn

also my performance seems to be alot better

I don't know why but I think it is because of Denoiser not working

[small pawn]

the bin might not work for me since I'm using community fix so

nonetheless will give it a try

soon

[late aurora]

if you delete the bin file the blocks became came black as exceptedd

[small pawn]

no work unfortunately

it didn't crash but it's giving me the same artifact as looking in the void on half life.

[late aurora]

hold on]

[late aurora]

what is your device id

is it sm-60 or sm-45

[small pawn]

wdym

[late aurora]

i mean this in the beta text bar

[small pawn]

It's OpenGLES ESSL_310

[late aurora]

oh right you are on phone so sm dont exist

[small pawn]

that's directx stuff

[late aurora]

yeah i forgot about that

[small pawn]

the v o i d

[late aurora]

bruh

is the new button on the top of the screen or texture pack

[small pawn]

it's a new texture

[late aurora]

oh thanks

[native merlin]

i see nothing lol

[native merlin]

it’s something that was changed this preview lol

[late aurora]

thanks

i got it now

[iron mauve]

See it now?

[granite wigeon]

Nice green outline

[iron mauve]

Unintentional but it grew on me

[granite wigeon]

How did you

[iron mauve]

The sky is emssive too, so it kinda just took it as a light source

[glossy pilot]

the more photos and videos i see of deferred the more impatient i get

[iron mauve]

Ok, I'll stop

[glossy pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-victor-spongebob-movie-the-thug-tug-gif-18020103

no it’s fine

i was joking

lol

[iron mauve]

So was I. I was joking too

[glossy pilot]

?

[native merlin]

thank you! 💖

[small pawn]

cool screenshot I take during coffee time

[void sinew]

word

[coarse beacon]

Snapdragon?

What’s your fps any optimization in the update?

[small pawn]

Mali-gpu but unofficial community fix.

performance is depends since I mostly ran on power saving mode or overclocked mode.

[coarse beacon]

What's the unofficial fix

Where do u get it