1.20.0.22 - Preview

[languid plaza]

i just want fov and roll 😛

[lyric quail]

fow is really annoying when you changing the movement component on the player

[glacial jetty]

Yes

[languid plaza]

fov is the most wanted replaymod feature btw

[glacial jetty]

Im genuinely curious...how would replay even work bc replay mod exports a file for you to edit right?

[lyric quail]

xd

[languid plaza]

it creates images of every frame

then we create video out of it

thats why its always smooth even if ur pc is trash

creating replay for bedrock is impossible cuz we can get and set packets

at most we can safe everything api offers and re produce as much as possible

[harsh mural]

Kayla can you ask navi to fix the js eventData.hurtEntity.getComponent("minecraft:health").current or js eventData.damage properties please 🙏

This is a legitamately broken thing that needs to be rectified Con

My insanity will not end without it

[lyric quail]

say what is problem btw

[harsh mural]

in Stable js eventData.hurtEntity.getComponent("minecraft:health").current is able to step into the negative values. output message is it's current health in the entityHurt event in 1.19.8# stable.

eventData.damage outputs a flat amount based on the tool being used to hit the entity

so regardless of the remaining health an entity has, eventData.damage will output the same.

In Preview, the .current health property is locked to 0 if the entity were to die

[untold elk]

Shouldn't this belong to bedrock oss

[harsh mural]

This means that there is no longer a method to accurately determine the damage an entity was given

[lyric quail]

ask memcy if he could return negative health values, but idk if thats solution, maybe solution is supporting damage float value in entityHurt right?

[lyric quail]

^

[harsh mural]

the solution here is making eventData.damage inherently check for js if (eventData.hurtEntity.getComponent("minecraft:health").current < 0) { eventData.damage += eventData.hurtEntity.getComponent("minecraft:health").current < 0; }

I'm in the OSS server but I've never sent a message nor looked at it

so I'm not familiar with anything going on there

There is no mention of this change in any of the 1.20.0.2# posts either

[untold elk]

Again, there is no way for the game changelog to mention every changes in Script API.

[harsh mural]

Then it's not a full changelog

[languid plaza]

yeah

[harsh mural]

a changelog should represent every change made

that's the point of it

[languid plaza]

also in oss's script api channel we discuss api stuff with dev u can tell there for better response

[untold elk]

I would rather not have a few thousand lines of script api changelog be in official game changelog lol

[harsh mural]

That's not what I meant. I don't need to know each line of code that was changed or optimized, I need to know how things changed functionally, like the health component no longer being allowed to step into negative values

or that a vanilla-data module was added

[languid plaza]

they only seem to log major changes

[hoary tendon]

I think these apis are being looked at soon - basically any experimental api will be looked at as we move more to stable.

[lyric quail]

its not api sided, API dont care if entity has less then zero

so its internal MC thing and no API one

[harsh mural]

Are you in preview?

[lyric quail]

ya

[harsh mural]

Get current would not be negative than

Unless you're doing something else

[lyric quail]

i am just using setCurrent

👍

[harsh mural]

Ah, you can set it to -

Gotcha

[lyric quail]

ya, i just wanted to say its not API fault 😉

[normal verge]

camerashake and camera should defo be moved into 1 command in the future would make sense. However inputpermission affects the inputs by the player makes more sense to be separate as the camera command is just changing/affecting how the player sees the world around them not the way they move or look around

[terse charm]

I'm a huge fan of the noun-verb thing they've got going on lately. I love /music, for example, followed by stop, play, queue, and volume.

[glacial jetty]

Makes sense, you have something, what do you want to do with it

[urban pecan]

Does anyone know what happened to the getScore() function in the 1.20 update?
When using it, it only returns 0 and can't seem to grab the players score or even the objective anymore..

Function:

function getScore(target, value, useZero = true) {
    try {
        const objective = world.scoreboard.getObjective(value);
        if (typeof target == "string")
            return objective.getScore(
                objective
                    .getParticipants()
                    .find((player) => player.displayName == target)
            );
        return objective.getScore(target.scoreboard);
    } catch {
        return useZero ? 0 : NaN;
    }
}

Oh and trying to make Forms seem to be really weird now too and keeps mentioning about not have privileges.

[harsh mural]

It's target.scoreboardIdentity in 1.20

[urban pecan]

okay, thanks

[terse charm]

From a few days ago…

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-170114

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuJ7z_mpR_c

(Really boring bug)

[harsh mural]

THE REAL CIOSICSHISAH YTOUTUBE CHANEL?

[quartz cradle]

Ooo, cici’s yt channel?

Subscribed

[terse charm]

Subscription with no bug upvote. 😦

[harsh mural]

gotta call me out huh

none of my bug reports ever get voted

[hoary tendon]

I've seen lots of good usage of camera in the wild - has anyone found any weird bugs with it?

[broken parrot]

not yet surprisingly, cameras are usually really finicky but this seems surprisingly stable

[nimble bolt]

I do have a small piece of feedback, it's not currently possible to find the rotation values in vanilla, without add-ons. Would be nice to have current rotation displayed in auto-complete similar to position. Or perhaps show rotation with "show coordinates" enabled

[broken parrot]

@hoary tendon would there ever be the ability to use the script api to insert custom bezier values for more complex camera animations?

[hoary tendon]

Good suggestion. This would be out of scope for the camera work, but is a good suggestion to improve the "Show Coordinates" feature IMO.

[hoary tendon]

yeah Creator APIs for Camera are planned, and we've talked about Bezier curves for more complex movement. Probably not for the initial release though.

[broken parrot]

your angel wings are showing

[hoary tendon]

The most helpful feedback for camera right now is in this order:

1. Are there any bugs with what we've shipped?
2. What critical attributes are we missing?
3. What is the most important next camera preset?

We cringe a little when we see camera being used with armor stands right now 😛 Would be good if we could ship enough functionality to avoid armor stand hacks.

[terse charm]

What are people doing with armor stands?

[glacial jetty]

😄 whats wrong with TP to armor stands

[hoary tendon]

If creators stop using /tp and armor stands, I will consider my career a success.

😛

[glacial jetty]

😄 me on my way to use tp and armour stands to annoy mojangsters

[hoary tendon]

I think this is how a bunch of folks are doing 3rd person cameras

[glacial jetty]

Care to elaborate?

[hoary tendon]

https://twitter.com/IsiliconS/status/1651457743415287808?s=20

SIsilicon 🇯🇲 (@IsiliconS)

By using an entity to manipulate position and rotation, a lot more can be done with the new /camera command.

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Twitter · Apr 27, 2023, 5:26 AM

[glacial jetty]

Ah i see

How would you implement to combat it

[hoary tendon]

A data-driven 3rd person camera with enough attributes, I guess?

[terse charm]

Oh, they just need a target then, huh? I guess a scripting interface will be great for that.

[nimble bolt]

Non scripting interface wouldn't hurt too, yk 🫠

[terse charm]

I'm kinda a full convert now, sorry.

[broken parrot]

could this be a part of editor mode, or at least an extension

[glacial jetty]

Hyacinth try not to pester about replay mod challenge, diffculty impossible

[hoary tendon]

yeah replay mod is hard - the gamestate management scares me.

[broken parrot]

i’m not, just want bézier

[nimble bolt]

Seems like here armor stand is used to store and modify current camera position, which is what the camera command lacks - modifying camera position with relative coordinates to the camera itself. So you can't send a command that'd tell the camera "move 1 block up" without telling where that camera currently is

[broken parrot]

that seems really basic

^^ add that

[patent hinge]

I've been called out

[hoary tendon]

But I think it's a valid suggestion to think about how camera could evolve and be editable in Editor. If I imagine a far future state - would be cool to have a cutscene editor in Editor. But lots needs to happen before we can think about that.

[hoary tendon]

Commit crimes, get caught

[broken parrot]

like my, suggestion?

[left condor]

if u don't do it, i will :]

[glacial jetty]

Wait till she hears about all the hacky workarounds we do

[broken parrot]

King will beat you to it

[left condor]

I've already got the work done as an addon

[hoary tendon]

oh I'm aware of enough "workarounds" to keep me up every night.

[left condor]

I'd just need to make an editor extension now

[hoary tendon]

I'd be super happy to see community Editor extensions that use Camera!

[broken parrot]

Kayla: Gn

Kayla’s brain: they are using armor stands, someone must stop them

[glacial jetty]

Curious though which workaround did you learn about first throughout your 3 years at Mojang

[terse charm]

Do you guys actually care that hobbyist creators are using hacky stuff? Isn't that what hobbyists do?

[left condor]

i know what im doing when i get home then :]

Was looking for an excuse to try out editor stuff

[patent hinge]

To be fair, I could've used the scripting API instead of an armour stand.

[broken parrot]

stop it Kayla needs to sleep

[glacial jetty]

Funny enough as someine who hyped up editor on twitter...i havent had time to use it extensively. Mainly eaiting for v0.4 and been pkaying legends

[hoary tendon]

I care in so far as I prefer you have better solutions to use. And although "backwards compatibility" is less of a concern with hobbyist content, I still want to be respectful of your time and energy.

[nimble bolt]

As far as what can be added to the current camera: FOV (with easings) and Z rotation. Orthographic projection with clipping planes would also be nice as well, but it's an advanced feature, so is fine if it's not top priority rn

[broken parrot]

all i care about is making cool stuff with the camera, i already have a new game lined up

[left condor]

I practically finished the legends campaign and now i can only play versus 😔

[glacial jetty]

I lost 4 hrs bc I modded legends and it deleted my saves

[hoary tendon]

Cool - yeah I think z rotation and FOV are near-term goals. Orthographic is something we've discussed, but is probably longer term. So we're aligned here.

[left condor]

Yeah, camera fov stuff is something i'd like as well

[terse charm]

Are they going to fix the z rotation bug in the command right now?

I've missed most of the discourse here lately.

[patent hinge]

By clamping the pitch argument they could fix it

[broken parrot]

what abt zoom?

[nimble bolt]

Until we have proper Z rotation, it's a feature 🙂

[nimble bolt]

FOV is zoom

[left condor]

If they clamp the pitch, i can't do funny upside down stuff

[patent hinge]

Fov

[glacial jetty]

Recipe cmd when

[broken parrot]

debatable

[glacial jetty]

Zoom is literally FOV

[broken parrot]

it feels weird tho, like it bends

maybe it’s my jacked up eyes

[patent hinge]

What bends?

[terse charm]

I think they mean that FoV and zoom can be controlled by the same data: a view projection matrix.

[broken parrot]

the perspective

[left condor]

If u wanna "zoom", shift the camera position forwards

[patent hinge]

You've used a spy glass before right?

[left condor]

Without fov*

[nimble bolt]

Wallhack

[left condor]

Raycast

[patent hinge]

Too hard

I'm too lazy

[left condor]

Def not a perfect solution

[broken parrot]

RTX

[left condor]

I'd much rather use fov

[broken parrot]

i should note we should also have easing on stuff like FOV

[patent hinge]

Don't see why not

[quartz cradle]

You can take a look at my editor extension if you want to see how it works

[untold elk]

I think I may have found a bug for camera

[broken parrot]

Does the camera fade block out UI or no?

[hoary tendon]

fyi - we're planning to change the color values from 0-1 to 0-255

[broken parrot]

so it is a gradient-?

or more like an opacity layer

[untold elk]

here's a bug for /camera, my video cut off but definitely will submit to jira

[hoary tendon]

no - it won't change the functionality. But instead of using 0-1 values for each RGB channel, we'll use 0-255 - which is more intuitive

[untold elk]

I'm very surprised it doesn't unload the chunks. That's a positive side

[lyric quail]

like for particles and other JSON things?

or only for camera command?

[hoary tendon]

yeah if the camera is too far from the player, that'll definitely cause problems.

[untold elk]

i believe the cause relates to this issue too

[languid plaza]

i can just make camera upside down 🤓

also i think it would be great to have a optional field at the end to run a command when ease is done

[patent hinge]

Not sure how that would work since the camera animation is client side

[languid plaza]

commands are also client side xd i mean

[patent hinge]

?

[languid plaza]

we can send request as player

[patent hinge]

Wouldn't it be better to just run the command after a certain of ticks? That's more predictable than relying on the client to run the command

[languid plaza]

no

[patent hinge]

Especially when said camera command could be executed on multiple players at once

Would each player tell the server to do the same command once all their animations are done?

[languid plaza]

if same camera can run on players whats issue with other one

[patent hinge]

What?

[languid plaza]

.

[patent hinge]

Yes and what about that?

[languid plaza]

whats the issue with running the other queued command on them

other command can have selectors

[patent hinge]

Undefined behaviour. They could all run in different orders, which could cause them to do different things

I just think it makes sense for command executing logic to stay on the server side

[languid plaza]

well i dont see much of issue with commands

there are cases but still

[patent hinge]

It's more predictable if it all command logic stays on the server side.

What would be more beneficial is a command that runs after a certain number of ticks

/execute after 20 ticks run ...
For example

[languid plaza]

imagine fading away as soon camera reaches player

to so for multiple players

1 we need setup for all
2 we cant predict how long one anim takes if its dynamic

queueing is the only option for advance cuts

not everyone uses scripts

[patent hinge]

You're still subject to the tick rate of the server

[languid plaza]

huh?

[patent hinge]

If you have a camera ease that lasts 1 second, just execute a command that 20 ticks later

It's guaranteed to run once the ease is finished

[languid plaza]

ur taking staic cases in count i am talking about dynamic cases

[patent hinge]

So a camera animation can have a variable defined length in the command?

[languid plaza]

well im bad at explaining :<

maybe someone will put together better

[nimble bolt]

Sounds like it combines them in a way, that'd fade in the fastest, stay and fade out the longest, so whether you trigger a command for fade1 or fade2, the screen will be fully faded either way, so no need to handle dynamic fade time

Actually that's kinda cool since this way you can create dynamic fades by combining 3 fade commands, each controlling one of 3 things, fade in, out or stay time

[hushed vale]

I think /camerashake can be combine with /camera

/camera move ...
/camera shake ...

[lyric quail]

nah like that

/camera @s clear
/camera @s shake ...
/camera @s fade ...
...

like more similar to current one

bc fade is not move so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hushed vale]

I think more like execute subcommands

/camera <player: Player> <cameraSubCommand>

pos <pos: Vec3> <cameraSubCommand>
rot <rot: Vec2> <cameraSubCommand>
shake <camerashake> <cameraSubCommand>
color <red: number> ... <cameraSubCommand>
clear

[terse charm]

Haha, that would be neat, but no way they'd ever do that.

[quartz cradle]

:[

[bleak valley]

For consistency reasons, the target shouldn't come after the command.

I really hope they swap it in a future preview.

[lyric quail]

ya, just if they going to marge it i hope they dont divide it into shake and move subcommands no sense then, right?

ya selector could be optional like other commands does

[bleak valley]

Adding shake to it might overload the command syntax.

/execute isn't any better, but it's necessary.

[lyric quail]

@hoary tendon Do you see the second line? its not executable syntax

wait sorry nvm

[bleak valley]

That actually works.

[lyric quail]

ya

[lyric quail]

sorry i was wrong

[lyric quail]

Camera Roll 💪

@languid plaza

[languid plaza]

how

[lyric quail]

bug, just set to 180 y-rot and go to 150 y-rot, thats why it starts reverted

[languid plaza]

yea i did that way before

xd

[lyric quail]

but from 180 to 150 is full roll

xd

[nimble bolt]

From -180 to 180 should be a full roll as well

[high mango]

Use night vision please

[languid plaza]

they should just expose z

[lyric quail]

cool that even better

[lyric quail]

its not working with camera move

[nimble bolt]

First run /execute anchored eyes positioned ^^^1 positioned ~~1000~ facing entity @s eyes positioned ^^^2000 positioned ~~1000~ facing entity @s eyes positioned as @s anchored eyes run camera @s set minecraft:free ease 1 linear pos ~~~ rot ~180 ~180 then run the same command but with ~180 ~-180 in the end. Vice versa also works

[hushed vale]

[Fade Yout]

[mortal saffron]

smiles slightly

[fringe cloak]

imagine how powerful it would be if /music or /playsound could have a pause state

btw it's only a useless thing

[fringe cloak]

nomination for the top wanted command, also it don't have bugs at all