#Inktober Day #9

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vale meadow
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I could fit likkkk, estimated around 15-20

green horizon
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Yeah. No. Terrible

vale meadow
green horizon
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You goin back to sleep?

vale meadow
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My b, that one word response took forever cuz I was tryna figure out wer the webnovel I was reading was, I basically lost it

green horizon
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Oh lmao it’s alright

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Enjoy your reading👍 I’m lowkey considering another anatomy challenge. Could be on the horizon so stay tuned if that piques your interest 🤔

vale meadow
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I agree

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I accept

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I will do it

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Sign me up

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To put it simply, I will join

vale meadow
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So he snuck up to her

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It’s no surprise she tries to attack him literally the next second

vale meadow
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This game goes so hard, and im not even including the gameplay itself

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This one went so hard

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Okay, last one

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I need to get to arting now

vale meadow
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@green horizon

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I wanted to start it off big

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But things didn’t go according to plan

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And now im having a terrible time with the details

green horizon
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Better👍

vale meadow
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Today, im going to he doing this

vale meadow
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And it’s been such a long time, and I been think abt all the YouTubers that have came and went

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Like Mikeymegamega, and marc brunet

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I used to love them, then I moved on, it’s not that I don’t like what they do anymore, its just that, I moved past it basically

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There is probably still stuff I could learn from some of their vids, but I feel like, right now, I don’t even wanna watch YouTubers that much

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Working and learning from reference is what I usually do now, and I think at this point, once I get really good at that,

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Thats when it will be time for me to really move on and draw from imagination

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I say by the end of this year

green horizon
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Yeh i feel like they’re there as a good starting point. Teaching you how to learn, in a way. But once you know how to learn and what works for you, you don’t need people to hold your hand like that

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At that point, you’re studying people who occupy the niche you wanna be in, and tutorials are more for targeting specific skills than building a foundation

green horizon
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@vale meadow do you still have the linkto this book?

vale meadow
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In fact, I have it saved

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Let me get it

vale meadow
# green horizon

chrome://external-file/ilide.info-tenten-anatomy-translated-pr_9567e1518b198c01dccced563219dbb3.pdf

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Err

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Guess ima have to do it the roundabout way

green horizon
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:D thanks

vale meadow
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Np, Ima go put some water to get cold now cuz I have a slight throb in my head

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Prob from listening to music too much, ima have to stop doing that while I draw

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Or at least, play it lower, most of the time, I forget it’s playing anyway

green horizon
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Ah yeah be careful w that

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Especially if you have earbuds in

vale meadow
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And instead just turn on background videos or sum

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From what I have seen, playing music sometimes makes me draw worse

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And it’s probably not the best to play it while studying

green horizon
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@vale meadow

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Is your sleep cycle awful? If yes, magma?

vale meadow
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Im here

vale meadow
green horizon
vale meadow
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It was while I was drawing nsfw art

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I got so startled that my nine thousand two hundred thirty seven history in google is all gone

vale meadow
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I accidentally left their server tho and could never find them again,

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This is some of their stuff I saved

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Im pretty sure they also did all that from imagination

vale meadow
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I also stole this from their server

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Im unsure if they did this themselves or not tho

green horizon
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Looks like a mx of artists

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The yellow ones are that Taco person that makes a ton of anatomy stuff

green horizon
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I’ve never understood curling as a sport

vale meadow
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Right off the bat, it’s a lot harder, and a lot more stressful

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Mainly because I haven’t used/trained my figure/gesture drawing skills in a very long time

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Also, I kinda forgot the process of how to start and end, but I remembered a lot of it and am probably ganna do some better ones later,

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Ima sleep now tho, this tired me out fr

green horizon
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Rest well. Your figures look nice

vale meadow
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These were pretty short, most 3-5min, and like two 7min

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Im not at all used to timing myself, but ima start doing it

green horizon
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Ah i hate timing myself

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Good luck w that haha

vale meadow
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I just started some figure drawing again today, I made them way bigger, which pains my soul

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My plan is to just repeatedly erase them once im done

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So I can use the paper for several times it’s worth

vale meadow
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Im starting to understand my problem, my translation of anatomy is not profound enough

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I reason to this because, I can’t quickly simplify it

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Therefore, I must not understand it well enough

green horizon
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Hmm that’s possible ues

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Btw I’m still working on that challenge. Needed a few days to regroup and pinpoint what to study in order to achieve my goal

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What anatomy knowledge do ypu think you’re lacking though? Or is it a lack of enough application?

green horizon
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I disagree. I don’t think you’re starting from zero

vale meadow
vale meadow
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I always learn sum from him

vale meadow
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When you said application it kinda gave me a thought, then I realized,

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I’m not actually applying much of what I learned, such as the rythms of the riley rhythm method

green horizon
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Right. Sometimes it’s an application issue and not a knowledge issue

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Very easy to get into a rhythm that makes you feel like you’re learning when you’re actually halfway autopiloting in realitt

vale meadow
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Also, I see a lot that, maybe because of the timer, I rush the shapes a lot,

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And make the body either to big or too small

vale meadow
green horizon
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Yeah. Times gestures are their own category of skill once you’re at those lower times tbh. More about trying to weave your lines together fluidly than showcase intricate knowledge

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Ig my question would be how yku feel abt your stuff that isn’t timed. And maybe also abt things that aren’t studies

vale meadow
green horizon
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Studying can be fun

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But it is still study at the end of the day

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That balance rule requires a separation between study and leisure imo

vale meadow
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The further I get into this, the more not cut out for it I seem to be, yet the more I wanna do it

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Ill finish these gestures, maybe do some for another hour

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Then do some

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From imagination

green horizon
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👍

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We’ll get there

vale meadow
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After leaving before, and watching youtube shorts for that whole time,

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I finally remembered I still needed to draw

vale meadow
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So comparatively speaking, I love it a lot more than the other ones

vale meadow
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Smash bros is something I do not understand how people get so hype about

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I literally can’t tell what’s happening

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“He bounced like four times” im tryna think of why that’s cool

green horizon
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Maybe some complicated tech required to do that

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I only know abt ssbu stuff and even then not a ton

vale meadow
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Yea, I feel like for brawlhalla, even someone who has never played can definitely tell when u do something cool

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But for smash, I just can’t comprehend

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Actually,

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Ima be honest, idek if that is smash bros

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I just assumed it was

green horizon
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It’s a way older one

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Melee i assume

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ssbu is easier to follow imo

vale meadow
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Maybe one day I’ll grt the game and play it

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Maybe

green horizon
vale meadow
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Like, I thought it would be around 12 by now, or even close to 1 am

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But nah, its 10

vale meadow
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I def had no idea how to digitally color this,

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But I thought it looked cool

green horizon
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Oo that’s really cool

vale meadow
vale meadow
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I had to “cut” it out basically

green horizon
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I use it to fill stuff very quickly

vale meadow
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But,

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I keep forgetting about the layers and not using them

green horizon
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Remember em. They’re important

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As much as i hate them, i will still use the minimum to get the job done

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Usually 2

vale meadow
vale meadow
green horizon
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It’s just more inefficient than anything for the majority of people

vale meadow
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I heard a guy did sum like this with no layers, its not the same from him,

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But its the cloest I could find

green horizon
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This guy uses one (not counting background color ofc)

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Wlop is crazy, but he uses a lot of layer modes, which require multiple layers

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Probably merges them as soon as he gets the effect he wants n continues to paint though

vale meadow
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I think ises one layer just takes extremely hogh skill and extensive knowledge of the program tho

green horizon
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Confidence and a tonnn of skill yeah. It also only makes sense if you’re going to render until your lines are gone

vale meadow
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It’s Friday, so I have no excuse not to go hard at drawing today

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It’s not like I had one for any other day of the week though

green horizon
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Make up for all of it today thencory

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I’m gonna be working for a while today since the painting i started yesterday is for a contest that ends tomorrow

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I might change my concept entirely. I’m entering mostly for fun now since I can’t put a ton of time in

green horizon
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Joelul (Huruu would never receive notice again)

vale meadow
vale meadow
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Just finished the skull, it’s still uneven, as I can never draw symmetrically,

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But now ima put on the muscles

vale meadow
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I can’t lie, for a second I was intimidated, but I got it

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It said that the human body only has 360 muscles, which when you think about it, isn’t a lot

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I bet I could memorize them all

green horizon
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Yeahh and then a lot of those are buried under other muscles n therefore won’t be seen

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And then another number of muscles don’t matter enough to be memorable for artists

vale meadow
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Ima probably hop in magma and add the muscles though, cuz

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It’s ganna be pretty hard to do it on paper,

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I think digital will be a lot easier

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And I can use the layers

green horizon
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Yeah👍

vale meadow
green horizon
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Imma be workin on my piece. I have a way cooler concept i wanna try

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But i might join if you’re up in a couple hours

vale meadow
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Yea, I will be most likely

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Ima prob stop working on the skull muscles in like an hour or two tho

green horizon
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Ah ok👍

vale meadow
green horizon
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Interesting construction 👍

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One day we’re gonna do a magma session and the most excellent sketches are gonna appear

vale meadow
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My charger is not with me currently

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So, if u did intend to ping me for magma,

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I probably would not be able to reapond

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I should be getting it in around 30min to an hour though

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Or less

green horizon
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Oop i got a headache suddenly and fell asleep

vale meadow
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I just got my charger aain

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Again*

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Strangely, my ipad has just been chillin at 1%

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Guess it’s because I never turned it back on

green horizon
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How heartwarming

vale meadow
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It is past midnight, so we can hop in magma tmmrw if u aren’t up for it

green horizon
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Oh nah I’m wide awake now. Headache suddenly disappeared while i was petting my dog

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It was weird cuz i fell asleep then woke up a good 3 or 4 times like “no you said you would do something keep your word”

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I lost a fight w a ghostgrief

vale meadow
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I has that happen a lot

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Then ur body is lik, “nah man, I’m goin back to sleep”

green horizon
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Fighting yourself and losingrasitas

vale meadow
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20 for each view, front, back, 3/4, and side

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This time, I don’t wanna rush and really wanna ingrain the information in my mind

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The only thing is, I don’t wanna use that much paper

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What a conundrum

green horizon
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?

vale meadow
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But that is a good idea as well

green horizon
vale meadow
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Could have put it to way better use now

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Now I use the pages stirringly

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Err, not stirringly, I corrected it to the wrong wrong, that makes me wonder how one can use a page stirringly though

green horizon
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Are you unable to get sketchbooks right after you finish one? Ik some people aren’t, but you just seem a lil too keen on rationing your paper out

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To the point of not even properly using up the space on a single sheet

vale meadow
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But like,

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I feel like the value of a lot of the stuff I draw is not worth the space it takes up

green horizon
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Give yourself room to reach the point where it’s “worth it”

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All of the mileage, good or bad contributes to the bigger picture

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But you’re holding yourself back by not giving yourself the room to just boldly learn. Remember you were saying how sometimes you would always default to an excuse or a reason why you didn’t reach max potential whenever you posted a drawing? This is one of those things

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All of these? Pretty damn bad

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But i was just enjoying the learning process and taking up as much room as I needed in order to do that

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You’re falling for the “waiting til I’m good enough,” cliche, even if you don’t realize it

vale meadow
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I also just woke up from a nap

vale meadow
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In the end I drew two skulls

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And those were in the first 10min

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I don’t know how it survived under my relentless pursuit for two hours though

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I think it literally had a revival spell or sum, cuz I know I hit it like twice

green horizon
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Damn😭 idk if i admire your persistence or the fly’s persistence more

vale meadow
vale meadow
green horizon
cerulean parcel
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i didnt know yous spoke here for the challenge

vale meadow
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This is my personal Kingdom

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I usually talk to Rc about anything and everything here

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So technically, you’re half right

cerulean parcel
vale meadow
vale meadow
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Actually I worked out a lot, then slept all day

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I plan to get in some art now though

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On another note, doing some neck exercises is probably why my neck feels much better than usual today

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I don’t usually do neck exercises, but I def have to add them to my routine now

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On another another note, this morning I was watching a video about making games/programming

vale meadow
vale meadow
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I decided I’m gonna start writing again

green horizon
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Feel free to

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Share with the class if you wish🫴

vale meadow
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I only have a general plot for the world in my head,

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I will probably do some world building and stuff later as well

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I’ll also try to draw any monsters or stuff I think of, cuz it would probably get me to draw more

vale meadow
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I intended for it to be that way

green horizon
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Thas cool asf wtf

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The composition and pose🤌

vale meadow
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Thx, it’s just another one of my small efforts, nothing much

vale meadow
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Time to draw

vale meadow
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I believe you already saw this before, but I went on ahead and took another pic of it cuz I came back around to it and used some more pen on it,

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And basically runied it, but I already knew that would happen,

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So I took another pic of it

green horizon
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Always get the pic first lmao

vale meadow
green horizon
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letsgo hell heah

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Yeah

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Haey

vale meadow
# green horizon Haey

Some unknown people in the comment sections of a youtube video calling the Karl Kopinski a pervert and a bad parent because he said he draws more strong female characters because he has a young daughter

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I don’t know if they genuinely think that, if they had a few braincells loose, or if they just wanna make jokes, and most likely many of them have some sort of combination of that

green horizon
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I gotta see the context

cerulean parcel
vale meadow
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I honestly just played it as background noise though, so I also barely know the context

green horizon
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🫴

vale meadow
# green horizon 🫴

Take a peek into the mind of Karl Kopinski.

Karl Kopinski has been working in the illustration and art world for over 20 years. Largely self-taught he worked for games workshop in-house until going freelance in 2005; since then he has worked with a large variety of clients including Peter Jackson, Sir Paul Smith, Hasbro, Ubisoft, Aboud Creative...

▶ Play video
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Pretty sure this is the one

vale meadow
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I think he says it towards like the second half of the video

green horizon
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I’ll take a look🫡

vale meadow
green horizon
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Start progress on your storyletsgo letsgo

vale meadow
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The original story idea will be out on hold since I realized there are a few conflicting things

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But through deducting that, I think I came up with a much better idea

vale meadow
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Sleeping without a pillow feels really nice

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I also did not know you weren’t suppose to have your back on your pillow,

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Though I rarely did, and when I did, it was just a bit

vale meadow
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@green horizon wer the chat thing go?

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I dun see it

green horizon
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Sent something on it

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Can you see?

vale meadow
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I had to find another way to get to the chat thing

green horizon
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Never seen that before. Does r the whole tab and rejoining help?

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Closing^*

vale meadow
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Nah, I closed it like three times,

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Does nothing, maybe I got to fiddle with the settings or sum

green horizon
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Yeahh that’s really weird

vale meadow
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I didn’t like how the toolbar got in my way sometimes,

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But I didn’t want this

green horizon
vale meadow
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Well, almost bigger

green horizon
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I love his work

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He’s awesome

vale meadow
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“It just looks like a ton of scribble scrabble”

green horizon
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I see the vision tho. Give the lines’ direction more intention and it’s absolute heat

vale meadow
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I was tryna do cross hatching,

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But then I was like, how da fugg u supposed to do this

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Then it gradually devolved into me just putting down lines

green horizon
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Who would notice and who wouldn’t is a mystery to me. Thas just what i saw

vale meadow
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Cross hatching is a side quest anyway

vale meadow
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I’m ganna have to start an elitist art server or sum

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The flower guy just seems like they do not get it, says they know basic construction, but then when pointed out it seems they actually don’t know much, then it also seems they don’t know how to learn effectively, and I may look like the bad guy for just being as direct as possible to them

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Which I understand, but like, I don’t think babying them will make things much better

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Its also crazy cuz like, the stuff they posted from the proko vid they watched showed improvemnt

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So I don’t think its a problem of them not being abke to improve,

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More like, them just not trying

green horizon
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Hana has good days sometimes. Idk where it all goes in the meantime. Nor do I know what to say to em atp

vale meadow
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Yea, today they told me they stopped drawing for a week

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Like, its like tug of war,

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But each side keeps pulling each other back

green horizon
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Yeahhh ion wanna gossip or nothin. I’ll give practical advice but I’m nearing the point of just kinda

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Leavin that alone right there idk

vale meadow
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I should probably not be a hypocrite though, so I got to practice today

green horizon
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Joelul Joelul get that pen moving

vale meadow
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Ah, I had to get my stuff and put it up so the sentence stopped,

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But anyway,

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Although I don’t think I can really grt into TenTen’s style, there are a ton of things I can take from them, the most important being, my form and construction has locked in

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I read around 200 pages and probably only took around 20-30 min to do some stuff I saw in there

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But what I gained from reading all that was a lot

vale meadow
# vale meadow

Looking at it now, there probably isn’t a big difference from this and the stuff I usually do,

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But when I really learn to apply the stuff I jus consumed, that’s when I will go off

vale meadow
# vale meadow

Another thing, I learned how to easily turn objects in space,

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And I feel like this could have been taught very quickly and very easily in probably like a sentence or two, but it took me years to get it, once again lamenting being broke and having no mentor

green horizon
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Sounds like today was pretty productive for you

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Thas nice to hear

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Or read..

vale meadow
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And Nezuko

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And probably a lot of other characters I did not know or did not care to remember

green horizon
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Tenten makes it look easy😔

vale meadow
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Never thought I would be so obsessed with blocks

vale meadow
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U might like this person

green horizon
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Oo i think I’ve seen some of their stuff

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This one is really cool

cerulean parcel
vale meadow
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I been having a lot of sudden chest pain in the same side of my chest, basically right on my heart

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If I don’t respond for awhile, you know what happened

vale meadow
vale meadow
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I think my idea is cool asf and also mot that hard,

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It’s just my nemesis the head, like Batman and Joker

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It never just lets me do my thing

vale meadow
static matrixBOT
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Eyy @vale meadow, you just advanced to level 57!

vale meadow
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I did that in magma

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I feel like not having a blend tool wasn’t a big deal, just that it was kinda confusing messing around with hardness and flow

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But I used the blend tool like once in my life, so I probably don’t know how useful it is

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It was also very confusing when I got like one place blending together with another one, but couldn’t get it for another area, I guess I’ll have to go test that out more

green horizon
vale meadow
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For the reason explained above,

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I somehow got magma to do this weird blending stuff

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Then did not figure out how to grt it to do it again, then I had the stuff on the same layer

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So when I erased, a ton of stuff that should not have erased, was erased

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So I just had to keep it like that

green horizon
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Magma has the basics of what you need, but i feel like it struggles when it comes to blending

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Not because there’s no smudge tool specifically but just because of its current brush options

vale meadow
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Definitely not as simple as with the blending tool

green horizon
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Yeah

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Difficult but not impossible

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But frustrating sometimes

vale meadow
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I also tested the blending tool in ibis, and I see how it’s much better

vale meadow
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I don’t really know much abt brushes

green horizon
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You achieved pretty good results w what you chose haha

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I just make a few swatches with every single brush whenever i start in a new program

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N choose a couple favorites

vale meadow
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I feel like once I really learn how to draw the head, then I’ll be good

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Drawing the head has been my nemesis like since I started drawing

green horizon
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I relate so hard it could make me crydead

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We’ll get there we’ll get there

vale meadow
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Time to go learn sum facial muscles

vale meadow
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I thought I was ganna have a heart attack for a second

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Luckily, I too strong

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I wonder where this is coming from though, it’s not like I’m unhealthy

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Maybe getting an actual doctor to diagnose me might be better

green horizon
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Or take googles word for it

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You have cancer

green horizon
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@vale meadow you down for magma? I didn’t feel good enough to draw yesterday so im making up for it

vale meadow
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Or I would have been up for it earlier as well,

vale meadow
green horizon
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There aren’t as many as usual so it should be less than 30 misn

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Mins

vale meadow
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As long as it dont take two hours

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Because literally in two hours ill prob go eat sum

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Then ill be tired

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And me + tired in magma does mot lead to anything good

green horizon
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I’m still congested grief grief grief grief grief grief grief grief

vale meadow
green horizon
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@vale meadow

vale meadow
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I am behind in one class

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Mainly cuz its just tedious, memorize then answer type stuff

green horizon
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Yeahh i hated those classes

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But good on you for at least being mostly caught up. Sleep well🫡

vale meadow
vale meadow
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“Lol what idiot got caught lying about their age”

It seems I am the idiot

vale meadow
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It’s quite mysterious to me how it happened though

vale meadow
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My studies so far for today,

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I haven’t fully understood how to draw the lip yet, but I didn’t wanna waste too much time on that since it’s basically inconsequential in the bigger picture

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Ill most likely be going back to it soon though

vale meadow
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I have dome back to reclaim my throne

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I feel like I’m getting closer to my first skill milestone

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Im currently working on doing this though,

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But it isn’t going so well, I’m having a lot of difficulty with foreshortening the face

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Ill prob watch some vids on it, and then ill go back and finish the expression practice

green horizon
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Yeah they make it look easier than it is

vale meadow
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I also attempted the ribcage as well, also pretty hard

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But I think it’s more about understanding how viewing stuff from different angles and etc changes the silhouette

green horizon
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Looks like you’re also still drawing kinda small

vale meadow
vale meadow
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It in fact does work

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This drawing definitely doesn’t showcase that though

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When I was testing it, the only thing I found to be annoying is that I don’t know of anyway to calculate the placement of stuff exactly

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I should probably watch the proko vids on the loomis method and see if it explains anything like that

green horizon
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Yeahh. That’s one of my bigger issues with loomis personally. Feels too unspecific for proportions but also too restrictive with all the guidelines. Idk. Glad it works for others though

vale meadow
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I like guidelines though because I feel like good guidelines give your drawing a lot of structure

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Stuff like this is the point I wanna get to

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But also adding on some jeff watts

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Cuz the anatomy is a bit too simple in some places for me

vale meadow
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And also wonderful shading

green horizon
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Impressive for sure

vale meadow
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I seem to have lost it and dont know how

vale meadow
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I was drawing some loomis heads for practice and was cery confused for a moment

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Cuz my heads were well, not so good looking

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Compared to the ones I did before

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And I realized, i was measuring wrong

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I took the distance from the top of the head, instead of the hairline,, but that was mostly because I didn’t usually draw in the thirds of the face when I was doing skulls

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So it kinda confused me until I got it

green horizon
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Ah i see

vale meadow
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I dont think anyone is ganna let me be their barber if they see this

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Though the placement of the jaw still doesn’t looks like loomis, probably because I made it a bit on the longer side,

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It’s better than before

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I also got the lips low as fugg

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Things to improve on

green horizon
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Proportionally i think it looks fine. Loomis is a set of guidelines but real people have such a wide variety of face lengths, asymmetries, facial feature distances from each other etc that I personally wouldn’t view getting the perfect loomis head as a goal

vale meadow
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Yea, dats true

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I think the thing that kill me most is symmetry

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As it has been since day -1

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I know human faces are not perfectly symmetrical, but it would be good if I could get closer to that than I am now

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Though I don’t even practice symmetry specifically so I can’t really complain

green horizon
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@vale meadow

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? Idk why that sent just now

vale meadow
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You have summoned thy?

green horizon
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That was from way earlier my bad

vale meadow
green horizon
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Im trying to figure out a project i can work on

vale meadow
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So im basically just following TenTen artbook, training my skills

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I think u know what im doing already, but rn im tryna learn to do this

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Just drawing heads from different angles that are doing different things

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But more realistic heads

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Then maybe add that with expressions, which was actually before heads, but that didn’t make much sense to me, so I skipped that to dome back to it after

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Then move onto ribcage which is next etc

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Basically, I’m just kinda flowing along with TenTen

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What I learned from trying to do the same with the TB Choi artbook is that, while there is some really good stuff in there, it’s teaching ability is subpar

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Or at least that’s how I feel

green horizon
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When you try to draw the boxes in all of those angles, do you succeed?

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I’d look there first. Taking a step back and assessing in order to move forward

vale meadow
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I already know how to draw the bones of the head in the common views, but going for anything for extreme, I feel like

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It would be easier to learn how to draw a normal head that way, then the bones of the head

green horizon
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Well yeah but how are you constructing the heads? Some are better than others for making sense of different angles

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Boxes are the easiest for me, for example

vale meadow
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He has some good stuff on heads

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Thats basically

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What his channel revoles around

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Head anatomy

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Head protraits

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Head etc

green horizon
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Ah yeah this type of construction is quite separate from what helps me visualize things so i cant offer much

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But i have seen his content before

vale meadow
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Some of his other stuff is like super helpful tho

vale meadow
green horizon
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Ah ok

cerulean parcel
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i get confused with these super complicated methods because you might know how to draw a very detailed portrait but how do you go about drawing anything else

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such as animals, objects, etc

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are there also methods for other things or

vale meadow
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Like the riley method, it isn’t only constrained to drawing heads

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It’s about the rythms of tress, cars etc

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But that is also why construction would be such an im skill,

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If tou dont have a method to draw something, construction basically helps you make one

vale meadow
cerulean parcel
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i often found though using these methods id be stuck with same face syndrome, i used to use guidelines when i was younger because thats what everyone else was doing and i was never really learning anything because i was constricted to these shapes and lines

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everyone learns differently and i feel like using all these shapes and lines have helped very little whereas learning in my own way, ive managed to improve throughout this year very quickly

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ofcourse if it works for you, it works. but i think a lot fo skill also comes into play with rendering, you might have a decent sketch but knowing how to turn these 2d shapes into something that looks 3d is also a big skill

green horizon
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I need at least 2 guidelines in any given angle because my eye for symmetry is extremely skewed (to the point where I have spent 30-45mins adjusting a single feature). I find that they always go away very quickly though. Loomis’ default doesn’t look like my reference and people’s heads aren’t literal boxes, after all.

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But what has helped me most is picking a few planes I can rely on. Then if my construction falls apart, I can still locate the ear and therefore the jaw etc etc. Planes are also the basis for how I like to render (though I’d like the increase my skill in that area because i simplify planes a little too far)

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What’s really curious is that I stumbled into simply using a triangle to “construct” and it mostly solves my symmetry issue and allows me to work in whatever angle I want without locking me down. Weird.

cerulean parcel
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oh yea i also use a line every now and again to make sure the eyes are level, but i cant get my head around using 50 shapes to correctly get the head and face right

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an artist i look up to, Eleeza, draws the same way i do and watching her draw has lifted my doubts on my technique so much

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i remember watching a youtube video on this guy who made a career in art out of nothing, started drawing later on in life kinda thing and he said that it’s impossible to draw with just a silhouette

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and so, i listened to him and tried the whole guideline stuff and just got so lost in what was comfortable for me that id just crumble everytime i tried to draw some thing
the good out of that though, is that i know for sure what works for me considering ive tried atleast 15 different techniques and none work for me apart from drawing the silhouette, like eleeza does

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no need to watch it all but her process is so satisfying

green horizon
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I don’t believe anyone who poses a technique or method as straight up impossible in art of all things

cerulean parcel
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i know i know

green horizon
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But i get how seeing dang near every single artist doing something and some even claiming you’re selling yourself short by doing what comes naturally to you would make you compelled to follow their lead

cerulean parcel
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yeah

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it’s also a good lesson i’ve learned, is to stop consuming so much content on art cause it’s so easy to compare

green horizon
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Absolutely

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Overconsumption had me in a rut that I’m lowkey still in. I think it’s interesting how it effect everyone differently

cerulean parcel
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mm if i’m ever watching any art content its usually just for the cosy vibes while i also draw

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i’m quite disconnected from the art community online which i quite like, i often find that it can be a bit intimidating sometimes. this discord and my instagram is the most i ever go

green horizon
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Yeah that’s probably for the best. A decent sized community of people to talk to and show your art to and an app with a pretty well curated fyp to consume art you like. Doesn’t need to be more complicated than that for most people

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My Instagram is way too over saturated with artists I don’t care for anymore and former classmates i also don’t really care for (not to sound callous but these are people I didn’t even talk to much in school). I made a twitter where I’m picking people to follow based on more strict criteria to prevent overconsumption

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Feels a lot better than having to scroll a ton to find something that resonates. Luckily even at worst, I still only spent an hour on insta on any given day according to my screentime stats

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I think exposing myself to so much content, so many art styles, so many methods, I’ve become extremely indecisive when it comes to stylistic decisions

vale meadow
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Basically, even if I see sum someone does and am like, I can study that, I also look at other stuff, and a lot of the time, there is more stuff I don’t want to pick up than I do from someone’s art

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Also if I don’t like the look of the finished product, I will won’t study their art ever

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It was the same with Josh Black, who I recently started watching tutorials from. The first time I ever saw his art was awhile back, and it was sum I did not like the look of, even though it showcased a high amount of knowledge

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So only now am I finding out I really like the way the guy draws, and that first time was just a fluke

green horizon
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Better to be that selective than have so many options you get paralysis

vale meadow
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I only spent around 30min drawing today

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But tmmrw I wanna fill this entire page

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And that won’t take too long, most of those 30min were me trying to figure out why my heads were lookin like old starved men

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I think I can draw them to a sub-par or decent level now

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After tmmrw that should go up tho

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I also really need to start practicing symmetry

vale meadow
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For this, since it was basically my first time attempting to really try and shade sum with pencil, I can still see how I could have done so much better right after, I also tried two different shading strategies on each different boob,

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I would say the far away boob was the better shading technique, even though it turned out worse, I think it has more potential

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This is also a study from uhh artist from

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Road to kim jun li art server

vale meadow
# vale meadow

I feel like by the fifth iteration I could get sum really good, or at least way better than what I got here

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Or even just the next iteration I can get sum better,

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But bu the fifth I think I can really start to understand it

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That’s if I had enough patience to go to the fifth, which I actually do, but I still wont

vale meadow
green horizon
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Yeh the one on the right is smoother

vale meadow
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I did some messing around for like a min or two after

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Im leaving it here, cuz I think its getting worse

green horizon
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Working on something right after you post the first one is real tho lmao

vale meadow
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Or rather, ima try to do these everyday,

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Maybe add one study in like this, then do stuff from memory

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And draw from imagination

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Then go on to study my main stuff

vale meadow
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I,also just randomly made that emote

vale meadow
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Imwould normally never do sum like this, but I feel like this is actually good for me

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I didn’t really know how to draw an axe, be I cut forward anyway

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Now ill attempt to do some simple light shadow stuff

vale meadow
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Idk what happen, but it happened

vale meadow
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Alr page is finished

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I started to add a bit of pen and used a bit of reference for them

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Except for the bottom right and middle

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To make it more clear since the places I pointed out made it no clealer,

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I used refs for all of those

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The middle was supposed to be batman, but when I got done and looked back, I noticed that I couldn’t make out a batman face anymore, so i at least had to make it sum

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I see a few more spots were I can add a bit more stuff, but ima say this one is done cuz ima go eat

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Ima put it in showcase, cuz this is the first time in awhile I had a lot of fun

cerulean parcel
vale meadow
vale meadow
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@green horizon

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I had an infenous idea

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Ingenious*

green horizon
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Now i gotta wait for you to respond

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Increasing chances of disappointment

vale meadow
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So at the disappointment comes faster

green horizon
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Good point

vale meadow
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What I was saying at the time was, ima like, making realistic heads, then put stylized like anime heads beside them, and do this while I practice head drawing

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To knock out two birds with one stone

green horizon
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Oo

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Makes me think of 82Pigeon

vale meadow
green horizon
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Good stuff

vale meadow
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Its 10 10 rn

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I should get to it

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I feel like, once I complete the TenTen artbook, my art is ganna be 345000x better

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But im at .1% rn

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So I gatta work

green horizon
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Get to itletsgo letsgo letsgo letsgo i imagine heads will be the hardest part and things will sail by a bit faster after that

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Anatomy is vast but not as complicated as it’s made out to be

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At least that’s how I feel abt it

vale meadow
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I feel like, it’s even more complicated than it’s made out to be, but I also feel like people focus on the complexity when they should actually focus on the simplicity that it can be

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That sounds like a philosophical quote

vale meadow
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Truth…no truth,, either all things have truth or everything is pointless, pick one and be happy —Huruu 2024

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I imagined I was a drunk in a barrel wiith a long beard

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When I typed that

green horizon
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💀

vale meadow
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A lot of the time when im doing those quotes, random thoughts r roaming my mind

green horizon
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Flesh them out and put em in a book

vale meadow
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I particularly like going in freehand/no guideline with pen

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Because I feel like it gives the drawing a lot more character, and also tests you more

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You r also ganna have to roll with your mistakes, which is part of what I said before abt giving the drawing more character

vale meadow
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This was the end result of these two, I dont really like it tho

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Maybe cuz I need to fill in those colors

green horizon
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Real nice

vale meadow
vale meadow
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Well, lets see how being self-imprisoned here for the rest of eternity turns out

green horizon
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Leaving it like this

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So the single stray soul that enters that thread can wonder why tf i said that

vale meadow
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Another moment when I don’t know what is going on nor why people think it’s cool

vale meadow
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Ima try to start filling the pages fully now

green horizon
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That looks cool asf

vale meadow
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Making the pencil darker and stuff

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Cuz I used like a half sharpened pencil to go around the paper with

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So I didn’t really like how it was kinda dark in some places and not in others

green horizon
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You could always go back n fill in the light ares in the future

vale meadow
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Yea, i plan to start another page tonight

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With guns and deers

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And not guns shooting deers

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Are maybe I might do that

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But I jus wanna learn to draw guns and deers

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And maybe after that, half human half mech type stuff

vale meadow
#

My tiktok

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Is starting to pick up traction

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All I need to do is learn how to do edit and find some good somgs

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And maybe make some better wtkworks

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There must just he a ton of people acrolling

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Just I just started posting again, after posting like one or two cids

green horizon
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So if you can look at your analytics n they show retention, take a look at that too

vale meadow
green horizon
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letsgo 👍

vale meadow
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I been studying for quite awhile

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Then i went to sketch some freek statues

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Greek*

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Realized I did not have the patience for that now

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All I was studying was the rest of the expression information, cuz as I said before, once I feel like I got drawing the general head shape down to a decent level, I would go back and do it

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The next step is just like a ton of shading practice and stuff

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I dun have the patience for that, so ima just skip it for now

green horizon
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RealJoelul

vale meadow
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Alr, I just tried to draw a hand holding sum from my imagination, which didn’t go well at all, and

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Played with some mannequin for some fun

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Now im done for the day

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I realized this was in the perfect position, so I just took a second to draw a guy and make up a story in my head

green horizon
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A productive day I’d say

vale meadow
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Ahh, its 7 already

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I usually go draw at around 4

green horizon
vale meadow
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But I never did yet due to a series of uhh

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Actions taken by other people

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Ill draw eventually tho

green horizon
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Ah ok

vale meadow
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But I still haven’t drawn anything, so I guess ill do some quick sketches while working

green horizon
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👍somethin is better than nothinn

vale meadow
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I find im more unproductive when it comes to art if it’s on weekdays

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This might just be due to the influence of school tho

green horizon
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Maybe so yeah

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Are you still on or ahead of schedule in all your classes?

vale meadow
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But its not really as bad as the number makes it sound, I can catch up quickly, the real problem is if I let it ferment

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Ima be getting my other classes soon, so what im trying to do is finish up the easier ones tonight, and im very close

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Then tmmrw, ill work on the “harder” ones, harder as in, they just take more time

green horizon
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What counts as an assignment for you?? Cuz online they have a lot of stuff that’s just fluff. Like reading an article that I can literally click through in seconds if I wanted to is not an assignment to me

vale meadow
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Though I cheated a lot on algebra, which is a black page in my book, on normal days, I actually don’t have to cheat

vale meadow
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And it’s really tedious cuz it actually takes a long time

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So sometimes I just avoid it and this ends up happening

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Five assignments take around an hour, sometimes two hours to complete

green horizon
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But huruu a 20 assignment pileup is a lot then

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Why are you that behind?

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Not tryna press you rn but i am tho lmao

vale meadow
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I could really blow through that in a day if I focus up, which ima try to do

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Tmmrw

green horizon
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Bro. That’s a lot of work🗿let’s not deny that bro. It’s cool that you can blow through that in a day, but it’s still a lot to do

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It’s too early in the school year for this to be happening man

vale meadow
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Ur right, I been trying to

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Work on weekends, aka sat and sun

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But it’s like I’m cursed

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I don’t remember a single time I worked on a weekend day, this is from the time I started online till now

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Probably sum subconscious tbh tho, escapism or sum

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Idk what escapism is btw, it just sounds kinda right for the situation

green horizon
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Well we’re inclined to believe weekends are for resting, making us more likely to put off productive things we don’t wanna do deep down

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But if you have such an inclination, why not do all your work during the week so you can properly use your weekends to dilly dally?

vale meadow
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Cuz im also dilly dallying every other day

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Tbh, this school section? Or whatever just seemed so much easier than before, all my motivation to work hard disappeared

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Algebra gave me a challenge, but it also gave me sum to work for

green horizon
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Keeping motivation when nobody is reallyyy holding you accountable and none of the content is stimulating is definitely difficult

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But that’s all the more reason to fly past it during the week like it’s nothing. I hate that “hhh I’m doing something I enjoy feeling, but I need to do xyz soon”

vale meadow
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I feel like I would be way more motivated

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Just to be at the top

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But alas

green horizon
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My online school showed your rank on the page where all your progress n gpa n stuff was

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But it didn’t update often enough to actually feel competitive haha

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I was 276 or somethin cuz i slacked really hard in middle school classes that gave hs credits due to believing i was mediocre anywayJoelul

vale meadow
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I think I need to make a schedule again, tbh, I do be following the schedules I make, even if I’mslightly off timing sometimes

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But somehow all the schedules I make end up disappearing into obscurity

green horizon
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Checklists and schedules keep the world runnin lowkey

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But yeah i think making a different task list daily feels helpful because you can go at your own pace and get the perk of checking each thing off. As long as everything is done on there, maybe one or two things unchecked at most, the day feels successful

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Tight schedules don’t work for me personally. Not long term at least, and if somethin doesn’t promote consistency, it think it needs a rework

vale meadow
green horizon
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Why not do it again?

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As soon as you feel that sand in your eye, jot down a few things yk you need to do

vale meadow
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I think I actually found out the problem for that tho, it was because my screen was also on super low brightness when I read at night

green horizon
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You’re very good at creating regiments, routines, goals, etc, but your consistency is shaky. You’d be unstoppable if you were consistent if I’m being real for a minute

vale meadow
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I been bored for the past few days, no good webnovels, don’t wanna search for lightnovels rn, just read most of my manga and waiting for updates

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So why don’t I

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Do the “Unstoppable Plan” in the meantime

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Ill draw for five hours a day and do schoolwork for five hours a day, plus exercise for one hour a day, and go to sleep and wake up at designated times for one week

green horizon
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How long do you think this would last?

vale meadow
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A week

green horizon
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So no

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That’s not consistency grief grief grief

vale meadow
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Oh wait

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Ur saying like, how long I could do that for?

green horizon
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Yeah. Not even could cuz hypothetically you could do it til the day you died

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Realistically, if you had to predict and be mega real with yourself, how long do you think you would last?

vale meadow
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Well, workouts aren’t really a problem, I used to do one hours and even two hours everyday, it’s just I really feel off in that area, as for drawing, I think I can pull off five hours quite easily if I break it into a 3-2 thing

vale meadow
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Schoolwork is boring, but it’s not like I didn’t used to meditate for thirty minutes when I woke up a few yrs back (which wasn’t boring actually)

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So it’s quite easy for me to turn off my brain and do tedious work, just I don’t like doing it

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I can already kinda see the outline, I wake up, brush my T, wash my face, maybe take a bath (if I didn’t do it the night before) then hop into the schoolwork

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After those five hours, I go eat, then I have a one hour rest period

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Then I go draw for five hours, and if im not feeling it, three hours

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Then another rest period, then workout, then after, if I haven’t finished drawing, go do that

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Then day ends

green horizon
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I will come in periodically and ask for updates every couple hours for a week just to see if you would keep up with that

vale meadow
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Oh, we doing it now? Alright then, from Tuesday to whatever a week later from that is

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Ill probably go to sleep so I wake up at around 3-5am and am well rested, so like 8pm-10pm

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Probably 10pm tho, don’t think I could fall asleep at 8pm

green horizon
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If you f this up I’m never taking your word for your work ethic seriously again🫵

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You will be Procrastinator Huruu in my head for eternity

vale meadow
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Ill say it here and now,

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I will do it

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Record that in 4k ultra sound next gen photorealistic video editing

green horizon
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🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥📷📷📷📷📷📷📷📸📸📸📸📸📸📸📸📸📸🤳🤳🤳🤳🤳🤳🤳🤳📽📽📽📽📽📽📽🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞🎞

vale meadow
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It seems I have to sleep now to get ready

green horizon
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👋

vale meadow
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I don’t remember

green horizon
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sus ✍️

vale meadow
#

But I haven’t ate anything today and I think that’s starting to make me a bit iriable and making me focus up less

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I can keep pushing on no problem, but

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Im worried abt after when I have to draw

green horizon
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You should eat something light at least

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They don’t have to be consecutive work hours

vale meadow
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The problem is, I’m the only one here, and I don’t know how to cook

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And there isn’t anymore milk, so cereal are a no go

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And same for other stuff

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I also ate all my snacks,

green horizon
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No eggs?

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You need to learn to some basic go to dishes. They’re life savers

vale meadow
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I think I sent it here

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I definitely took a pic of it or sum

green horizon
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Hmm

vale meadow
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But ill split up art into probably 3-2 as I said last night

green horizon
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Ah i see

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Sounds like your house needs a grocery shopping trip but hopefully you find something to throw together

vale meadow
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Im also almost fully caught up with the class, I should be able to catch up and then some after 5hrs

vale meadow
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But sometimes my mom probably forgets, cuz I never actually tell her

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Idk, I just feel a little pathetic having to ask my mom to buy food when im already this old, dats why I been looking for a job

green horizon
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Yeah i get that feeling. More so with other things than basic necessities but

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It’s the lack of independence that makes you feel a bit small

vale meadow
#

Yeah, this has recovered my mental a bit, ill probably do another hour or two and come back to update on progress

green horizon
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👍i might be sleeping because extreme fatigue is kickin me while I’m down

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But I’ll definitely come back by the end of the day to read all the progress updates

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So post anyway

green horizon
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As soon as i laid down and closed my ehes

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My sleepiness significantly decreased

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This is why I carry hatred in my heart

vale meadow
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Im currently at 1 47 50 or sum rn

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So basically two hours left

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Imalso always pause the timer whenever im not there, so it’s as close to me working for five hours as possible

vale meadow
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It’s around five min left

green horizon
vale meadow
green horizon
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I

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O*

vale meadow
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Ill go do that rn

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Cuz I still need to workout today, and doing that for long periods of time without eating will kill you

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I mean figuratively, but it feels literal sometimes

green horizon
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Guess I’ll go eat too and get my day started

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The sleep served me well

green horizon
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I put my head phones on and time just slipped away

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Hhhhh i need to shower and wash my face

vale meadow
#

I actually don’t wear my headphones to listen to music anymore

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I still use them to watch youtube sometimes or sum, but not music

green horizon
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My house has thin walls and when ppl are here they have the tv all the way up

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So i just got used to having them on

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They’re also comfortable to me

vale meadow
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I kinda always got the house to myself

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That has its merits and demerits

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I do like it this way tho

green horizon
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Fair enough

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Idm having ppl here doing things. There is a small level of comfort in knowing other people are in the house. But my room and my headphones allow me to be in my own little world

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Which is necessary

vale meadow
#

I should probably start drawing before it gets too late

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I wanted to have a planned rest break

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But I never planned how long

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So it’s just been a while of me playing roblx

green horizon
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Probably shouldn’t set a strict time but at least an upper limit on rest times

vale meadow
#

So if im drawing for fives hour plus work out, six hours

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And if I do five hours of work after I wake up at seven, so

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So basically I have twelve hours to allocate time

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So actually that’s kinda nice

vale meadow
#

I do feel like this is kinda cheap, but I propose I only draw for two hours, just for today, though I could do five, I realized, if I start now, it will be around twelve by time it ends

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And that’s without any breaks

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Then I still have my workout

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Though I can definitely still do it,

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Having today to get my schedule together is, then going into tmmrw would be better

green horizon
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Sure

vale meadow
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Though ill still do my workout, and more likely than not, ill draw for around 3 hours, as I usually do

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Ill also move the time from a week to a month

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I feel like only that would somewhat make up for my folly today

green horizon
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Then move to the month if you accomplish that

vale meadow
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I will definitely accomplish it, no problem at all

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I have nit only supreme confidence, but the skill to back it

green horizon
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Yeahhhhhh

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If

green horizon
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@vale meadow

vale meadow
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I have my ipad in the other room when im working

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So I didn’t see ur ping

vale meadow
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Of course it would still be the same for me if it does or not, but I just wanted to make sure

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Also, working five hours a day, my work goes pretty quickly, and since it’s coming up on a break, im basically ganna complete everything by tomorrow in which by then, ill have to wait for them to throw me a few more months of work

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If that doesn’t make sense, im not saying i completed months of work in one day, Imjus was already doing it before, and now since I was already kinda close, its ganna get done quick

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So what do I do when im waiting?

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Drawing for ten hours isn’t something im too excited about

green horizon
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Hmm any other productive things you could do? Doesn’t even need to be 5h. That’s excessive imo

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Also yeah weekends are included. 7 consecutive days

vale meadow
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Uhh

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I could work on my story or sum

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I also been thinking abt learning programming

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But I would need a new pc for that

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My last one burnout

green horizon
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Yeah maybe throw in an hour or 2 of writing

vale meadow
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These five hours really be goin slow

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Im at 2 15 rn, but this is literally just going over central idea and text structure and whatnot

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Stuff i already know how to do

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It does help if I like write it down, that makes completing the work slower, but time goes faster

green horizon
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Elementary school stuff. Where is the new content💀💀

vale meadow
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Like, the only other thing I remember that was actually new was in 7th grade or maybe earlier when they introduced like finding adverbs and stuff, sentence structure, adjective sentences, noun sentences, and stuff like that

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Other than that tho, I don’t think there has been any new content

green horizon
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I think the majority of core classes after middle school significantly decrease in purpose. I wish they made things more career focused atp. Make the 4 core classes shorter and increase the quality of content. Then use the new space for letting students research and explore different career paths they could take

vale meadow
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I think school just needs sum to fill up the extra hours

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And because they don’t wanna spend too much money on free education,

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They just kinda do the most cost effective plan

green horizon
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Hhhh

vale meadow
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This time, ill give myself a 1 hour rest break, then start drawing

vale meadow
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This has me raging so hard

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It’s literally just a series of failures

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But alas

green horizon
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Have you analyzed what’s goin wrong yet?

vale meadow
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I noticed I have a very difficult time drawing straight lines for my boxes

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More difficult than normal

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That may be due to a few different reasons

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Also,

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I have a hard time seeing the proportions of the ribcage in my head

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So I should probably try to find some references