game-discussion

[dense hare]

Is anyone coming with me hytale?

[nova ermine]

Hello, hytale

[spice remnant]

Welp, looks like we've got invaded

[crystal escarp]

RIP

[remote raft]

That explains the random ping, I guess

[azure thistle]

Good thing it's a lot more expensive to mess around in this chat

[crystal needle]

Hey, how’s everyone doing

[solid cargo]

Feeling very lazy today, took a nap with my cat after lunch

[crystal needle]

Nice..

[fair palm]

Am alright thanks, what about you?

Btw, did somebody finish all achievements besides those two that are bugged?

[crystal needle]

I’m doing good, just hanging out currently.. then lunch and work 🙁

[spice remnant]

It was beautiful for as long as it lived...welp, I'll see you all in the flip side..

[crystal needle]

At least I’m off work tomorrow

[fair palm]

Yeah I have to work too 🥲, at least tomorrow is sunday

[solid cargo]

Hytale time tomorrow?

[crystal needle]

True.. gotta power through the grind

[fair palm]

Yeah

[crystal needle]

Yes, I’m planning on it.. I still have to prep for moving but yes I should/will have time to play

[spice remnant]

Cool! Enjoy yer free time

[crystal needle]

I’ve been craving to play Hytale

[spice remnant]

Same, but I'll have to be patient for at least a year lol.

[crystal needle]

Work usually takes up my time and energy given I get off at 11pm usually so I mainly have to wait till my days off

I am looking for a different job though and at a different time. Like 8-5

[spice remnant]

Seems fair, working until 11....damn

[crystal needle]

Yah

[woven sundial]

So i got hytale

[crystal needle]

Nice!

[woven sundial]

I waited a good while

[spice remnant]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[spice remnant]

It's been 7 years...we understand you brother.

[woven sundial]

I mean since it release in early access i gave it a few months before I get it

[crystal needle]

Nice! Are you enjoying it

[woven sundial]

Haven't play the game yet

[spice remnant]

Ahhh, fair fair. Welp, hope it was worth it for you! Just expect nothing and enjoy the experience.

[crystal needle]

It’s worth the wait

[woven sundial]

Is that means I should wait more

[crystal needle]

lol no

[sinful swift]

"It's good, so even though we have to wait for more of it, it's worth it."

[crystal needle]

It’s a game that was worth that wait they did an amazing job!

[spice remnant]

Not really, just that we hope the state of the game is not bad for you and that you'll enjoy it.

[woven sundial]

I'm playing it on the steam deck

[crystal needle]

I personally have found 0 issues on my end

[spice remnant]

Molly

[spice remnant]

Brother....why did you told mother I was fooling around with these mortals...

[woven sundial]

Since i am new to hytale and just starting fresh any advice that you can share with me experience wise

[sinful swift]

I didn't. If she found out, it was on her own.

[spice remnant]

Someone must've told her....because I'm grounded...

[woven sundial]

I was stuck in a analysis paralysis on getting hytale

Thankfully my mom help me get out of that state

[spice remnant]

Literally, non.

Just don't try to go try hard, take your time to explore everything

Review every mechanic, learn the AI of the mobs, figure out how to counter them, practice with the weapons to know what fits you better, read the item descriptions, just take your time to know the game.

[sinful swift]

Yeah, don't wanna spoil too much, just don't be afraid to explore

[woven sundial]

HELL YEAH

[spice remnant]

That's the spirit!

[woven sundial]

Yeah i am going to send you a friend request

If that's okay with you

[spice remnant]

Yeah sure, I don't mind it

[woven sundial]

Okay sent

[woven sundial]

Now this a good type of player i love to see

[spice remnant]

Oh boy

[woven sundial]

Like positivity

[remote raft]

still havent figured out how to properly use a shovel 💯

[spice remnant]

Right click?

[remote raft]

I can't tell if I'm stupid or glitched then, right click doesn't do anything and left click feels like it inconsistently digs four voxels starting from the bottom left corner

[spice remnant]

Well thats how it works, sadly.

[sinful swift]

The best way to work it is to stand further back from the block you want to remove, and possibly to jerk the camera away from other blocks (Idk why- but it's working)

[woven sundial]

I must say first impression of Hytale is very beautiful

[fleet granite]

🙁 if bear is friend shaped why not friendly

[sinful swift]

The difference between friend-shaped and not-friend-shaped is minute

[fleet granite]

but its cute

im willing to be mauled for a hug

[spice remnant]

Bear has fangs and claws, as well as a very strong desire for meat

[spice remnant]

So be mauled.

[fleet granite]

why does everything want to kill me 🙁

[spice remnant]

Because it's a natural reaction to eat and to defend itself

[charred light]

Sometimes maulimg is an expression of liking something.

[fleet granite]

oh did i just unlock proficiency?

[fleet granite]

see you get it

[charred light]

I have people I want to maul in a loving way. I figured that's natural.

[spice remnant]

Scary.

[sinful swift]

Has anyone gotten the Grimoire: Rekindle Embers to work?

[fair palm]

Anyone knows how to get storm leather? Where?

[pseudo plank]

You need deco bone piles placed on the ground for it to work

[fair palm]

I guess I didn't find the biome yet or that specific animal

?

[pseudo plank]

Not in the game yet, we gotta wait for zone 5 or world gen v2, whichever one comes first

[fair palm]

Ohh that's why then, thank you for letting me know, so mythril doesn't exist too I guess since u need that for it

[pseudo plank]

Yeah mithril is also not in the game yet unfortunately

[fair palm]

Ah I understand, so I guess might be with some memories too like voidtaken?

[undone coral]

Do we stop finding temples after awhile? I've been traveling away from spawn for a couple days and haven't seen any.

[spice remnant]

Nah, you find a lot actually...maybe you haven been lucky

[fair palm]

Anyone else can't only register the frost dragon but not fight it? He was sleeping in couldn't even hit him I guess its in a future update idk

[fleet granite]

omgggg the chicks
theyre so cute

[sinful swift]

No AI right now. Those realm crystals are all work in progress.

[fair palm]

ah got it

[fair palm]

yeahh especially when they sleep

[solid cargo]

The baby mobs are cute indeed

[fleet granite]

yall please tell me i can tame the mice

the sounds they make is so cute

[solid cargo]

I don't think you can, maybe with mods tho

[fleet granite]

😭

[ancient tundra]

the realm crystals are for showing off the world gen v2 in different biomes

the dragons there for goofs

[fleet granite]

is water supposed to fill gaps if you break the walls near it?

[ancient tundra]

it will just be oddly placed chunks xd

[mighty urchin]

it should flow in,

[fleet granite]

i was in the sea and broke the wall nearest to the water and it didnt fill in 🙁

[wintry mist]

someone tryna start a world?

[mighty urchin]

water is a bit buggy. it will probably up date when soemthing happens next to it

[fleet granite]

what about cheesing kills?
is that a bug?

[mighty urchin]

wym?

[fleet granite]

leading mobs to the water and they drown?

[mighty urchin]

nothing wrong with kiting enemies. its a viable game action that players have used since waaaay back

same thing as a mob farm

[fleet granite]

hmm okay 🫰

yo so those skeleton crawler things that come at night? how they die in water but the walking skeletons dont?

[fair palm]

Yeah it sadly not, I wish I could tame penguins

[fair palm]

Mob farms here in hytale?

[ancient tundra]

giant 3 wide staircase walk up and down water down the center full blocks only no torches underground

[fair palm]

I'm almost done with the memories then I'll work on my base including mob farms too then

[mighty urchin]

no, im sayint, kiting mobs to water so they drown, is the same as a mobfarm that has same outcome, so its not the same thing as cheesing

[fair palm]

I understand thanks for clarifying

[ancient tundra]

also it will only work til swimming is a thing for mobs ai

[mighty urchin]

they dont need them to float for a water stream to push them onto spikes or something though, the water would need proper physics to push mobs

do mobs in hytale get tricked by the trapdoor method?

[ancient tundra]

they just need to swim out of the water stream

and i dont think so but i havnt tested

[crystal needle]

Hey everyone

Finally I’m on lunch break

[mighty urchin]

you have to build it so they wander into or spawn over the water. you make the streams into channels that they cannot jump out of, and the current pushes them into spikes, or a drop or some other kill method. you never made any mob farms in MC?

[fair palm]

Also btw underwater there is no such thing like breathing or a potion or something right? Cuz there's sunken shipwrecks I usually mine like a hole nearby to breath

[fair palm]

What's ur timezone? Asia?

[ancient tundra]

what i mean is in hytale water doesnt push so u just make it so they swim towards the ai path to get to flat land

[crystal needle]

USA

[fair palm]

Ah

[mighty urchin]

i thought there was a poition.

[mighty urchin]

you in central time?

[ancient tundra]

there is water breathing coming because they lessened a weeds water breathing effect if near it so they could make a potion

[fair palm]

Nope, apparently not from what I have seen

[fair palm]

I was sure about it, also there's already some ruins underwater in the abyss too so I'm sure they'll add stuff

[ancient tundra]

theres a whole scuba kit in the creative

[crystal needle]

It’s technically 7:39pm but I work late tonight so I just got on break

[mighty urchin]

ive seen the shipwrecks, and ruined villages, and some grecco-roman henge thing with a gian coral spire in the middle

[fair palm]

Ah I understand

[crystal needle]

Yah… I’m drained it’s been a long day. And I get off at 11pm

[fair palm]

Yeah that's cool, I love how it looks, I dont think I have seen the last thing yet

[fair palm]

I feel you, 3 more hours to go, then finally some relax 🥹

[mighty urchin]

and real cool coral reef areas as well. when the diving stuff becomes available, it will be cool

[fair palm]

You're right that's amazing! I love coral reef areas too, some are even so big, and can't wait for them to add more under water life. I still need to find some fish memories though

[crystal needle]

Yup and I have a 1hr lunch/break that will end at 8:30

[toxic gale]

I had 30 minutes for lunch at my last job

[spice remnant]

Are really jobs that hard?

[fair palm]

some definitely are, luckily I'm working independently

[spice remnant]

Cool! Somewhat my goal, yet I can't give myself that pleasure since 0 experience..well, who would trust me?

[solid cargo]

Entry level jobs are the worst, I had no life on my first job 😢

[fair palm]

Yeah it was not easy at all, definitely!

[mighty urchin]

mine isnt physically usually. mentally can be hard sometimes

[spice remnant]

Why is it? If I can know ofc

[crystal needle]

Sometimes yes

It really depends on if you enjoy it or not but it can be mentally draining sometimes

[spice remnant]

Mmmm, at least it'll be a different type of mental drain...welp, guess i'll keep trying.

[mighty urchin]

im a paraprofessional in the nyc school system, we work along with the teacher to assist special needs students in their school day.

[crystal needle]

That’s awesome to hear

[toxic gale]

Very nice

[spice remnant]

Whooooooo, that's so cool dude! I mean, sure it is mentally draining, I myself have even have hard times trying to manage myself..I can't imagine managing yourself and others that have special needs of every type I guess...supporting them..trying to keep them happy...safe and sound.

[fair palm]

That's great you're definitely doing an amazing job and it's definitely not easy and something everyone can do

[mighty urchin]

pto is the best ive ever had in any job

[spice remnant]

What is pto?

[mighty urchin]

paid time off

[spice remnant]

Ohhhhhh...damn that so cool

[woven sundial]

I hope there's a mod for controller support

[mighty urchin]

the NYC DOE gets paid full day for every weekday of the whole year, whether school is in session or not. including summer. we get same check at same schedule in summer if we dont work summer school, and if we do work summer, we get regular pay, plus bonus of 17.5% of the years income, and its only six weeks. so its like overtime without actually working extra. i dont get paid if i take a day off thats not a sick day or an approved personal day. but as long as i have a doctor note that says this person is sick and had to stay home, i get paid.

[mortal acorn]

Maybe one day. But for now you can use 3rd party apps or steaminput to map controllers.

[mighty urchin]

i havent seen one yet. they did say it would be in the works at some point for vanilla

[woven sundial]

I'm still waiting for that

[spice remnant]

Oh boy

[unique flax]

can we not like get a option to change the install location of the game or something

[ancient tundra]

you can change it on install but the uninstaller does break rn

[crystal needle]

Ok… I’m now on my last break an hour early

[spice remnant]

Yes, when you install the launcher.

[spice remnant]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[crystal needle]

Because I have nobody to watch electronics while I’m on break..

[unique flax]

cant i tried

i installed it from my 2nd drive but it still installed on the main despite me doing it all on the 2nd drive

[crystal needle]

How’s everyone doing

[mighty urchin]

you got two hours to go
?

[crystal needle]

Yup

And the last hour goes really fast

[spice remnant]

Shouldn't that make that your break is the next hour?...

[mighty urchin]

central time zone? your an hour behind me

[unique flax]

on linux i mean

[crystal needle]

No, it’s 15 min

The lunch break is 1hr… so it’s 15min 1hr 15 min

[vernal granite]

Release 4 is coming in 2 weeks or?

[spice remnant]

Then I have 0 idea, I don't have any experience with Linux OS itself, only CLI.

[crystal needle]

Nice

[spice remnant]

....oh, hm. Welp, that's good!

[woven sundial]

Does anyone want to play hytale with me

[spice remnant]

Can't doit now man, maybe another time.

[woven sundial]

Sweet

I must say that hytale is a learning curve

It will take on getting use too

But I'll take my time exploring

[spice remnant]

You'll enjoy it, trust me.

[woven sundial]

I bet there's alot more content to discover

[spice remnant]

Mmmmm, if you take your time..it'll be a loooong road discovering it

[woven sundial]

All about the journey not the destination

Am I right

[spice remnant]

"Maybe the joy were the friends we made all along"

[woven sundial]

That a good way to look at it

[crystal needle]

Freedom from work!

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[spice remnant]

FNAF SL after shift mini game music

Yayyy, now rest.

[crystal needle]

Yay

[spice remnant]

Tomorrow's a loooong Hytale day, ya need energies.

[fair palm]

Looks like it's not a job u like a lot 😬

[crystal needle]

I’m currently working on getting a new job.. one that pays more and is long term

[fair palm]

I understand, hope you'll find it! If it's something you enjoy doing, then it's definitely way better too

[crystal needle]

100% agree

[tranquil verge]

can u upgrade the accessory pouch?

[ancient tundra]

the backpack has teir 2 but its not enabled yet cause the crafting item needed doesnt exist in survival

[tranquil verge]

the accessory pouch

[ancient tundra]

oh your using a mod there is no item called an "accessory pouch" in the base game

[delicate shale]

has anyone heard if villagers will be in hytale even as kwebec for for trade? Was thinking how in mc we used to make villager farms eg selling the enchanted books. I would just like to have some kwebecs living on my base even if not the one we trade with, as I play solo so it looks like the houses around my base are functional, just having them wander around

[ancient tundra]

there will prob be some sort of trading system more than current

[tranquil verge]

ahhh ok, I didnt know it was a mod 😛 ty

[ancient tundra]

yw

[delicate shale]

I wondered if I can go into creative and just add some or if they need a spawner, and if this would affect some sort of mob limit with farms and eventual breeding?

[ancient tundra]

i dont think its that simple atm

[delicate shale]

yeah had a look and couldn't see any in creative , a few spawn eggs but not everything

[ancient tundra]

well npc stuff is handled with /npc spawn and the npc tool in creative

[delicate shale]

ok I never even saw that tool lol. I havent done much in creative except to bring in prefabs

found it. I may experiment. I have some house prefabs i could try having them in

[coral fossil]

i deinstalled hytale now. this trash launcher keeps logging me out for the reason "Season no longer available".... i see that the hytale devs are dumb and have 0 normal knowledge.....
yep you have to log me out, bcs im a different person... on my PC xD

[ancient tundra]

ah yes because thats the right response instead of reporting the bug

[calm spoke]

I've had no problems with the launcher (that wasn't my fault)

[indigo rivet]

Cant believe devs dont fix a bug they dont know exists

How dare them

[ancient tundra]

the devs seeing this post as they scramble to fix it only for mio to already have uninstalled

[modern sable]

no way, they even left the server...

why did they get cursebreaker?

[calm spoke]

The funny thing is they left the server now, they were in it before I sent my message

[ancient tundra]

people with expendable money

[modern sable]

I will never understand people that do stuff like that lol

[calm spoke]

Did they read our messages and get peeved off?

[ancient tundra]

mine prob was the problem

[modern sable]

I just got the base version of the game, if it continues to get good updates I might upgrade, I will never understand people that spend a lot of money on things they will just complain about

didn't the devs warn that hytale was incomplete?

[ancient tundra]

multiple times and its on the store page

[modern sable]

when I was a kid you would be considered lucky to even have a laptop, the first time I ever bought a game was like 2-3 years ago when I was 17 or 18, people had fun playing broken roblox games

kids nowadays don't know how good they have it when it comes to games

[ancient tundra]

i remember the first 4 tower roblox battle game xd

[modern sable]

or actually I think I was a bit younger, damn I don't remember

but I haven't had minecraft for that long, probably at most 4 years ago

Imo hytale is doing really well

haven't really had many bugs

[ancient tundra]

theres quite a few bugs related to servers and connections but otherwise not that bad

[modern sable]

good thing I don't play multiplayer lol

[ancient tundra]

lucky for you

[calm spoke]

I had a dinky blue laptop that was like 20cm wide, when I was like 12/13 in 2013

[ancient tundra]

the connections still happen in sp thanks to them using a solo server for sp

[modern sable]

my first laptop was I think a samsung rv720, goit it around 2011-2012 or something like that, I think my mom threw it away so I can't really be sure

[stark mist]

i remembered playing unofficial mc then got the game in 2024

cant say the word it's blocked by server filter

[sudden granite]

I honestly think minecraft benefitted a lot from the thing that cannot be named and gained a lot of potential players that later bought it
It's not a bad thing

[azure thistle]

Yar har I'm certainly one of them, got hooked when I was young, bought it when I grew up

[sudden granite]

Games like these are friendslop so letting people get hooked before they decide to buy works

And same

[ancient tundra]

i used that on a flash drive to load up the school libary pcs with minecraft

[mighty urchin]

can we craft the smaller empty potion bottles?

[ancient tundra]

empty potion bottle at a alchemist workbench

[calm spoke]

hahaha we had the same! borrowed flash drives from the older kids that had offline versions of 1.3 or something

[ancient tundra]

It was funny because the school kept trying to prevent it but I was always able to make it happen

[simple cliff]

wheres the feedback channel?

[red finch]

Whenever I want to leave feedback I just use the in game function

[river gull]

To provide game feedback or bug reports, you can use the button at the bottom-right of the main menu or pause menu. You can also do it on https://accounts.hytale.com/feedback , which lets you upload files and lets you write more text.

[red finch]

There is a menu choice of feedback or bug report there

[simple cliff]

thank you, i also had a question regarding the release version

[river gull]

What was the question?

[red finch]

I do find it a little unpleasant to never know if they see it or not, but thats how I do it because that saves me time anyway.

[simple cliff]

every world i create in the release version has floating invisible blocks outside the spawn door?

[river gull]

I'm... not sure about that. invisible but... solid?

[simple cliff]

its interactable it has an arrow pointing towards spawn

[river gull]

Oh I've seen some of these blocks before in dungeons too.
I wouldn't worry about it

[simple cliff]

theres 2 and they're always infront of the spawn door

[polar badger]

sounds like a prefab spawner block

[simple cliff]

yeah its that, but when i click the interact button nothing happens

[alpine phoenix]

it's a block that your character is hallucinating

Insanity would be an interesting effect in the game

if implemented well ofc, it's so easy to mess it up and it just becomes annoying

[clever quest]

Insanity is annoying. Ask me how I know.

[rigid sonnet]

Hi

[floral dagger]

what do u guys think the best structure in hytale is right now

[knotty willow]

I am insane, legally

[clever quest]

like prefab?

[wet lodge]

Why do they do q and a creative

No one cares abt that 💀

[wet flame]

I do

[wet lodge]

🤓

[clever quest]

probably because its mod-adjacent

[wet flame]

okay cool boy

[wet lodge]

Yea but why prioritize that

[clever quest]

Because hytale has a modders-first ethos

[wet lodge]

I want a players first ethos

[clever quest]

Then you bought the wrong game

[wet lodge]

No one told me it was just a modders game and we would have to either install a bunch of mods or wait forever for base game to be good

[warped girder]

It was made quite clear the game was not anywhere near finished and would be developed for a while to male it good.

[wet lodge]

Yea but why focus on creative

There's not really a reason to be doing that

[clever quest]

Agree to disagree.

[wet lodge]

[warped girder]

I think a lot of the survival updates are probably being blocked behind world gen v2 too tbh. Don't quote me on that but there's little point expanding the current while working on the new one

A lot of the changes for creative/modding they can also use I guess for their own stuff, we shall see

[wet lodge]

Idk how their teams are structured but why can't they devote more ppl to world gen v2

[warped girder]

I honestly can't really say, though I assume they still want to work on other parts at the same time (as we can see)

[wet flame]

true

[alpine phoenix]

i meant ingame, there's some creative ways to do it. Like playing sounds and adding entities to the edge of your FOV

[alpine phoenix]

because procedural generation is a massive undertaking and pretty complicated. It gets even more complicated the more stuff you add.

computers can also be highly unpredictable if you do it enough times

[wet lodge]

I got the perfect solution

Start world generation 
Improve world generation by 2 ```

Hytale hire me

[pseudo plank]

My solution woud be to delay world gen v2 for a long as possible just to watch you suffer

[alpine phoenix]

okay, now go through the code for the game and add that. Fix any errors that might pop up, test it to make sure it works.

ofc it's not going to work so you gotta change the code a bit

[wet lodge]

I'm not suffering I'm just not playing hytale rn

Minecraft is still my main game and will be for a while probably

[alpine phoenix]

minecraft lol, i got hytale specifically because i didn't like minecraft

[wet lodge]

Minecraft is the 🐐

[pseudo plank]

Used to be* nowadays not so much

[alpine phoenix]

it gets boring, then you add some mods that make it not boring

[wet lodge]

Imo I'm not bored by it there's still so much I can do also you don't need mods necessarily you can get some cool stuff in vanillas

[alpine phoenix]

i got minecraft when it was late alpha early beta in like 2012

[wet lodge]

Hypixel Skyblock has quite a bit I'm still doing and after that Im gonna get into Wynn craft

[alpine phoenix]

trust me the amount of content in this game blows minecraft out of the water when that was released and it's not even remotely close

[clever quest]

Imagine if minecraft didn't have mods. We wouldn't have Hytale.

[wet lodge]

Well yea mc sucked in alpha beta but that doesn't mean it didn't expand rapidly

[alpine phoenix]

it did after microsoft bought it

[pseudo plank]

We wouldn't have minecraft at all, that whole empire was built on the back of modders

[wet lodge]

Honestly Minecraft doesnt add a lot of new features but the servers on it do and its still entertaining

[alpine phoenix]

when i say expand i mean expand as in game content, not the amount of people playing it

[wet lodge]

Brb

[alpine phoenix]

either way, they're both good games

i prefer hytale because i like the combat system in it and the more modern stuff it brings

[wet lodge]

I never said hytale wasnt

[wet lodge]

What's modern in it that MC doesn't have

[alpine phoenix]

movement mechanics

for one

[pseudo plank]

That mantle is something I can never give up aha

[alpine phoenix]

i wish that you could scale walls a little bit

[pseudo plank]

We'll definitely get a parkour mod soon enough

[alpine phoenix]

but with the weapons you have a bit of movement tech

[wet lodge]

Yess like if you could improve your scaling with gear or whatevrr

"training the skill" or something and then it slowly lets you improve your scaling

[alpine phoenix]

no i meant that you can climb walls

[wet lodge]

Yea that's what I'm saying 💀

[alpine phoenix]

like a climbing mechanic, i wish that the game had that a little bit.

[wet lodge]

Again 😨 I said that @alpine phoenix

[alpine phoenix]

i thought you meant something like gear scaling, which is different

even if they don't add it you can always mod it in

but i think i saw something about them wanting to implement more RPG mechanics, whether that is going to be RPG mechanics like an Action RPG or a true RPG is another matter

[pseudo plank]

I imagine it would be a mix, action rpg for survival, story rpg for the planned adventure mode stuff

[alpine phoenix]

interesting, it would be easier to use just one. With the way Hytale is running it if they did something like that i would imagine you can toggle between them.

but what i meant by true RPG i meant with like stats that you can choose to specialize in, levels that increases these stats

[mighty urchin]

we have a climbing mechanic, or do you mean something else like scaling a wall insteading of just climbing over top?

[alpine phoenix]

Action RPG's typically don't have stats, they usually just use levels and gear,

yeah that's what i meant, like you can climb up on a hill if the walls are high

ofc there would be restrictions to this so that ropes don't become completely useless

[pseudo plank]

Ahhh that's what you meant, stats/levels is unlikely in my opinion (there's a high chance im wrong dont listen to me), but there are already a bunch of mods for that already. I don't like them though because they break my mods xD

[alpine phoenix]

yeah, i tend to think of Action RPG's as RPG-lite.

think of it like the difference between Kingdom Hearts and Baldur's Gate

[jolly orbit]

the archive channel is gone

[remote raft]

I wonder if — and that might be a dumb question — World Gen V2 has tools for procedurally generating structures and assets instead of using prefabs, such as setting the parameters for how a tree's trunk should generate, at which height if starts generating branches, the direction the branches stick out toward, the leaves and so on, or complete structures and buildings

The mineshafts and excavation sites look too good to assume they're completely procedurally generated

[pseudo plank]

I believe there is already some kind of support for procedural gens right? Maybe someone else can confirm that? I think at least there are "blocks" for it in creative?

[wet flame]

--

[wet flame]

hey how did you do the em dash

[remote raft]

Left Alt + 0151

Depending on your phone you might be able to use an em dash by just holding down on the hyphen

[remote raft]

Looking at some of #1466041022143529092, it makes me want to give it a try 😔

[void lotus]

yo I want to give some feedback ingame but i got an error: Submission failed with status 502

[remote raft]

I had that one before and it really fixed itself by restarting the game, but in the meanwhile you can use the website to send feedback

https://accounts.hytale.com/feedback

[void lotus]

lol its also failing on the website

maybe the feedback already exists?

[remote raft]

I don't think that'd prevent you from sending feedback at all, I'll take a look and see if I can send one

oh the Arcanum mod released.... heh...

[void lotus]

oh sick

[remote raft]

Couldn't send a bug report, too. Same thing, "Submission failed with status 502", probably something to do with a server

[void lotus]

hmm

[mighty urchin]

what? im on it

[void lotus]

can we @ someone so that they know it's bugged?

[spice remnant]

Arcanum?...

[remote raft]

It is the mod I want to try on the moment I'm finished with all the vanilla content 🐊

[remote raft]

No idea unfortunately

[remote raft]

A magic with a programmable spell system, pretty much creating spells through what looks like a node-based programming. Not sure if I can send links in here, but you can find its posts on Reddit (and the mod itself on Curseforge)

[spice remnant]

OH BOY

IDC MY LAPTOP WONT HANDLE IT IM TRYING THAT

[forest portal]

hey is there a way to spread moss or do I just have to farm a bunch and place manual

[clever quest]

AutoMultiHud is a deal breaker. Most mods use MultipleHUD, no idea why he chose to use the lesser used one.

242K downloads for MultipleHUD, 7K downloads for AutoMultiHUD

[remote raft]

Searching for any medieval building for reference without having to scroll through dozens of Minecraft builds is impossible 😭 I always forget to add "-minecraft" at the end too

[sinful swift]

I'm also wondering this

[spice remnant]

It's coming with update 4 for as long as I'm aware...if not, it should've came with update 3

[woven sundial]

Hey howdy hey good morning

[red finch]

What is one of your favorite medieval buildings?

[remote raft]

As in a specific kind of building or a specific building itself? If the first, I love the typical German hall houses and boathouses (which I believe are Norwegian?)

As for specific buildings, ignorantly I don't know any 😭

[red finch]

Haha that’s cool I didn’t know any when I asked I was just wondering what you’d say! I think I’m a fan of old school cathedrals, maybe the old style Abbeys too

[stark monolith]

can I still ask questions in the QNA that isn't related to creative mode?

[spice remnant]

Nope

[stark monolith]

ah oke

[graceful solar]

hypixel server when ?

[forest portal]

maybe it did and I just dont know how? does it spread on its own or do I water it? (bonemeal it?)

[spice remnant]

It spreads by itself

[forest portal]

looking up Castle ruins or something similar- also Pinterest is a big help

[forest portal]

do you know how long it takes

[spice remnant]

Nope, haven't opened the game since..uh....what? Update 2.

[forest portal]

hmmm i sneee, ill mess around with it

[spice remnant]

Good luck with it man

[woven sundial]

How everyone is doing

Hope everyone is doing well

Just a reminder i want to let everyone know that you are loved and you are worthy if you need someone to talk too I'm always here no matter what as long as we build each other and lift each other up nothing could stop us

[boreal sluice]

Whats the current game version?

[river gull]

pre-release/2026.03.12-b1f856309
release/2026.02.19-1a311a592

[boreal sluice]

gotcha, i tought the 03.12 version is public..

But thanks

[river gull]

Still on "Update 3" on the release branch 🙂

[uncut yacht]

What are people normally doing these days in Hytale? Single-player, friends SMP or any publics?

[woven sundial]

If controller support do comes out it will make it easier to control better on steam deck than via Steam Input

[pastel cypress]

ive been working on an mmorpg server, still quite a long way off tho lol

[uncut yacht]

Fair haha I think a lot of players are working on there own servers/concept (including me haha)

[forest portal]

ive got a single player that I got pretty far in but now I mainly play on a server with a couple of friends

[remote raft]

Played the entire day while in VC with my friends and 90% of the time I was literally just running around my builds chatting, it feels as though I kind of hit the EA wall as of now, guess its modding time

[ancient tundra]

Yeah once you've done what you can then it's time to play with mods especially given we got 2 weeks til next update breaks em

[mighty urchin]

tbh, i have a pile and the authors seem to be real good keeing up and with comms

[woven sundial]

I would like to see a Hytale Book or a novel

[ancient tundra]

yeah the modding community is strong rn

[whole wind]

Mainly single-player exploration, have my main world and then a copy where I test mods I want to use. I have about 30 now that seem to work together pretty well for a "enhanced" base play with QoA and RPG leveling added

I kinda wish we had a channel specifically for modlists we're using to look for more suggestions on theme or something. Or to help with issues/bugs for those mods. But there's also the wierdly touchy "no advertising" thing to work around in suggesting stuff from curseforge

[ancient tundra]

most of the modding stuff is relegated to the modding discord

[whole wind]

Ah, that's a shame. I don't have the head for modding code, just using them. I wouldn't want to take up space there

Unless there's a desire for beta testers or bug checkers or something

[ancient tundra]

theres always going to be the guy who needs someone to run head first into their wall

[whole wind]

Hmm... maybe I should go lurk and see if that would be helpful. I know you can't give me direct anything, but a hint as to how to get on that disc? haha

[ancient tundra]

Go here https://hytalemodding.dev/en Click join community

hytale discord is pretty well basically offically supported

[crystal needle]

Hey guys, I’m planning on getting on Hytale tonight after I get home… but quick question.. where do Yall get your inspiration for your builds or Crops Farm?

[ancient tundra]

i like just picking a theme and build around that idea

[undone coral]

That scene in Gladiator where Maximus is dying but he imagines his hand passing over a field of wheat

[spice remnant]

The vibes.

[crystal needle]

Yup

[spice remnant]

Tried writting more...but as always, the bot bugs me.

[undone coral]

What do you writte about?

[idle radish]

meow

[spice remnant]

Fossiled Nation of the rising sun, wooden horse empire, and the good old "wotah" pronunciation people when showering wasn't a thing .

For Odin's sake I tried to write that 4 times

[undone coral]

He's blind in one eye, you guys should team up.

[spice remnant]

Sorry sir I don't get it

[woven sundial]

Does anyone want to play hytale

[undone coral]

You publish those stories anywhere I could read them?

[undone coral]

Not in its current state. Building foundational tech for the mods I want to create at the moment.

[spice remnant]

Ohhhh, no no no here has been a misunderstanding, I don't write stories, I meant write messages here, I wanted to go into details about what I usually inspire from, for buildings, but the bot always clears my message

[undone coral]

You write ancient japanese messages on the hytale discord about not showering? Sounds weird, but lemme see if Gemini can help me out:

No bath for a week,
Waiting for Hytale release,
I smell like a Trork.

[spice remnant]

Sir, you've made my day.

[mighty urchin]

i keep a folder on my desktop filled with medieval house/shop/whatever art, architecture details and build tips. i keep it updated and refer to it in any building game i play

[woven sundial]

I am glad that I don't have to set Proton Compatibility layers for Hytale cause Hytale is Compatible with Linux Via FlatPak

[lost linden]

is mounting fish a thing at all right now?

[lost linden]

yeah agreed, i was positively surprised

[ancient tundra]

why are we mounting a fish u mean for like a ride or for placing on the wall

[red finch]

For trophies or riding ?

[lost linden]

lololol for wall trophies!

[red finch]

Neither are possible anyway

[lost linden]

bummer but understandable

[red finch]

Mods maybe have something now? Lots of options already I haven’t looked in a while

[ancient tundra]

i dont think theres any decor like that yet

[red finch]

Missed opportunity for smarter people than me

Ngl…. I’d pay to ride a fish

[ancient tundra]

the ever extensive fish mounting community lol xd but honestly a water mount would be cool rn

ride the shark xd

[red finch]

Yesss

Seahorses right now please

[ancient tundra]

we'd have to add seahorses i saw someone make some art of one in old art forums

[red finch]

I don’t know of another game that lets anyone ride a seahorse

[ancient tundra]

WoW does

[red finch]

Well darn

[ancient tundra]

its one of the first water mounts you get

[red finch]

I didn’t play wow much because I was one of the disgruntled EverQuest players whose entire group left to wow

[ancient tundra]

wows problem is things got too microtranstiony and they started to loose gameplay and story quality

[red finch]

I found most MMORPGs turned into just todo lists that mean nothing

[ancient tundra]

yep grind this resource for the new armor that lets you kill the better dungeons for better armor that lets you repeat the process then the next update comes out

[red finch]

Yup

Block games are the same but we set our goals however we want and so it’s just fun and that’s what means something lol

I love wasting time designing a fancy shed to cover my chickens feed

[ancient tundra]

right

[red finch]

How is the proximity chat? I haven’t tried it yet lol

[ancient tundra]

i like it so far in my testing

[red finch]

It’s kinda crazy to think how good the technology for games have gotten

10 more years and we got sword art online maybe? World seed deploying sometime? lol

[ancient tundra]

what i wanna see exactly that full mind in game without risk of death

[stark monolith]

it would be really cool to see Junipers in Hytale
as I do live in a really cold mountainous area and they are common here

[ancient tundra]

its hard to get those tight cone shapes in a block game though

[stark monolith]

good point

[ancient tundra]

maybe they could pull it off with hytale's style though

[stark monolith]

yeah

[woven sundial]

Not gonna lie tho I'm digging hytale

[ember gull]

it's amazing even as is, just wish magic was accessible earlier,

[woven sundial]

There's more to do

[tranquil verge]

when you load your crossbow, swap to a different weapon, then go back to the crossbow, does it keep your arrows in it? or do you have to reload it again?

[ancient tundra]

reload its a known thing

[weak current]

u r a known thing

[ancient tundra]

yes i am

[tranquil verge]

I got an eternal wheat seed bag, is that part of a mod I have installed? or base

[ancient tundra]

those are base

[tranquil verge]

whats the difference between the eternal and the non eternal?

[ancient tundra]

honestly id suggest playing vanilla before installing mods

eternal doesnt have to be replanted

[tranquil verge]

nice

[delicate shale]

I agree. I played at the start in vanilla to see what was in the game before adding mods on a new world. It gives you a chance to see whats already there and slowly add mods so you can see if any mods are problematic

[alpine phoenix]

i saw that there is a mod launcher for Hytale kinda like ATLauncher or Prism

was wondering if that is any good

[weak current]

i'll play without mods until 1.0

[ember gull]

probably the best idea, mods can break easily with even small hotfixes, and every major update will almost invariably come with a swarm of hotfixes to iron out the defects

[alpine phoenix]

that's usually how it goes

[weak current]

and that's the reason i hold myself back

can't install mods i can't play without after only to realise they don't work after the latest update

but i appreciate all of you who help testing the modding features until then

[ancient tundra]

there cant be

[alpine phoenix]

why not

[ancient tundra]

because the launcher is the only one unlike minecraft who allow any launcher to exist

[alpine phoenix]

just google hyprism, it's on github

[ancient tundra]

thats a p!rate launcher

[alpine phoenix]

how is it, it doesn't distribute any game files itself and uses the same authentication process the normal launcher does

you can even scroll down

hytale works similarly to the minecraft launcher, where you basically just have a .jar file that can run on pretty much anything. The launcher basically just authenticates your account and lets you play the game

[delicate shale]

I have quite a few mods added. I expect a few problems next update if some mods are not updated but there is the play previous release option. I tried the pre release setting to see if the mods were problematic and all the mods showed as problems lol and the world wouldn't load. switching So next update I will start a new world probably until the mods are updated and then see if my old world runs.

I think the main thing is if you do add mods is not to get too attched to your previous world

[alpine phoenix]

you absolutely do not want to run pre-release if you want to mod, it seems like something obvious to do but mods are more likely to run on the stable version. Since that's what mod authors are building their mods against

[delicate shale]

yes I was just experimenting with the duplicate world it made to see if it would load the mods, then went back to the stable version to reload my actual world

[ancient tundra]

this was a recent change and im not seeing that the original option was removed just they added legitimate support by default originally it would let you use it as a p!racy launcher by default so i dont support it

[delicate shale]

I like the way it makes a duplicate world of your current world so your actual world isn't corrupted

[alpine phoenix]

that was for offline, you still needed a token to run the game which you got by authenticating

the dual auth commit basically just adds online support too

[ancient tundra]

They still were a p!rate launcher first and with that they are dead

[alpine phoenix]

and i can see why they didn't add online authentication straight away, it's easier to test and do bug fixes if you have a version of the launcher that you can actually test on the real game with

and as i said, the game needed a token to actually run which is something you needed to get from the hytale website. It doesn't provide that for you

it would've been a pirate launcher if it bypassed the games DRM

[ancient tundra]

It did originally

[alpine phoenix]

how

[delicate shale]

showing my age here but I remember all the stuff on cds that games had to prevent this sort of thing and code wheels you got with the game to load in games in start up

[alpine phoenix]

i'm not THAT old, at the most in my time you had CD-Keys

the code wheels is way before my time haha

[delicate shale]

well i remember the cd keys as well. I am nearly 70 hahaha but stpping games being shared is not a new problem. When I played the original sims we had all the cd keys

[alpine phoenix]

yeah, i remember hating the old copy protection on some games. Mostly because it could make the install process a pain in the ass

[delicate shale]

I remember window 3.11 and dos games... oh the fun getting some of those working

[alpine phoenix]

even if you owned the game legitimately

[delicate shale]

yes and didn't have a soundblaster card.. It was terrible when you had uninstalled games to make room for new games then later reinstalled going thru boxes trying to find cards with cd codes or original game casing that had the key

[alpine phoenix]

with spore for example you can't play it today even if you own it

because the servers for the online only drm is down

one of the first games to use that kind of DRM and certainly not the last

[delicate shale]

I fully support Hytale having some sort of protection for their game, but I think mostly is kids wanting games they can't buy that we need it even today to protect the developers

My kids were lucky as i was into computers so bought the games they wanted, but not all parents back then had computers to play games

[alpine phoenix]

of course, i don't condone it but the launcher doesn't provide a mechanism to bypass the DRM for Hytale

[ancient tundra]

pepperidge farm remembers

[alpine phoenix]

it's simply just a mod launcher that can manage instances in a similar fashion to minecraft mod launchers

and considering the project was created in january and they already have offline and online authentication among other things figured out, it's pretty good for an open source project

[delicate shale]

We used to have game demos, and these days they can have ftp options for a limited version of the game to try or a 30 day trial. I wonder if later Hytale will have something like that

[alpine phoenix]

actually Steam brought back game demos

to an extent at least. a lot of newer games have demos you can download for free

[delicate shale]

ohhh cool. Funny part is many of my fav old games I repurchased on Steam just to play for the old nostalgia hahah esp old adventure games I loved

[alpine phoenix]

do they just use ScummVM to run the game?

[delicate shale]

Sometimes it was easier rebuying the game there , as now my laptop doesn't have a dvd drive

[alpine phoenix]

since the majority of games don't work on modern PC's

There's portable dvd readers that you can plug in via USB nowadays

[delicate shale]

they maydo, or something similar. I hit probles once we got windows 10 playing older games

[ancient tundra]

the creation of launchers in general lead to hacked launchers and cheats id much rather hytale made their laucher the only launcher

[alpine phoenix]

well at least if we're talking old Sierra point and clicks, they most certainly don't work without something like DOSbox or ScummVM

[delicate shale]

and at my age it was easier to just rebuy the game that would work with minimal fuss on my part

[alpine phoenix]

that's literally impossible

[ancient tundra]

not really they can make the launcher generate a code the site side checks when validating in a way it cant be cloned

[delicate shale]

I load it thru curse forge but I think that runs the launcher itself as you have to have the game installed for curse forge to detect it

[ancient tundra]

yeah the curseforge method is just them launching the default launcher thats different

[alpine phoenix]

the only way to prevent cheats and hacks is if you ran the game in the browser with no access to the game files, as long as you provide a game that can be downloaded it can be used to cheat

[delicate shale]

whew... i would hate to be banned from the game by using curse forge just for the mods

[alpine phoenix]

that's just the nature of game distribution

[ancient tundra]

curseforge is a partner anyway its different than randoms making a unsecure launcher

[alpine phoenix]

well it's open source, you can see if it's insecure

[delicate shale]

I think ideally Hytale having a demo or 30 day trial would be good when its finally released. Many kids go to extremes to try a game because their parents won't buy it for them

[ancient tundra]

im not saying they arent safe now but they didnt start safe and that is enough for me to write them off entirely

[alpine phoenix]

i guess you can just uninstall the operating system you have on your computer then

[formal swallow]

Reminds me of how many viruses my siblings got as kids downloading random "free" games lol

[ancient tundra]

exactly

[formal swallow]

Makes me feel so old saying that lmao, already 22. Time flies

[ancient tundra]

im almost 29

[alpine phoenix]

since that started out as being insecure, you can also get rid of your web browser since that has at some point been insecure

steam could also be used to pirate so you better not use that either

downloading programs from github can also be insecure so you better not do that

[formal swallow]

My father's steam account is a little older then me due to being made day one. Which is wild to think

[ancient tundra]

and those have had years to prove they are safe and are entities that if they put malware in are going to be in big issues while some random git page with a launcher can easily have a malware included and youll just download it without knowing because you already trust them

[alpine phoenix]

mods themselves can also inherently make the game insecure because they change game files

[delicate shale]

yes my kids got a few of those of the computers as well. If it was too tricky I had a few visits to our computer fixer to get rid of them but my worst computer crash was actually caused by nortons, and messed up my computer so it wouldn't boot at all. In the end we had to get the tech to reformat and start over.

[alpine phoenix]

it would be very easy to insert malware into a mod you use to run the game

[ancient tundra]

dude going off a deep end because i dont support a launcher you wanna support so bad is not a good scene take a deep breath and realize its not that serious and walk away

[alpine phoenix]

i'm just saying it's not a pirate launcher and you're just ignoring what i'm saying

[formal swallow]

Yikes, what a pain. My father's a computer wizard so most things have been fixable at home. Eventually you learn to stop being dumb online but it took so many viruses for my littlest sister to learn xd

[ancient tundra]

no i said it started as one and your ignoring that because its not now

[formal swallow]

Learning Cyber Security/Python atm, started 2 weeks ago and having so much fun

[alpine phoenix]

that actually reminds me of myself, i think i got my steam account hacked like 5-6 times because of stupidity

[delicate shale]

I always told my kids if you think you got a virus or something tell me, I would rather know and fix it than be blissfully unaware

[alpine phoenix]

and i was asking how it does that, which i never got a response to

[formal swallow]

Oooofs, I didn't ever lose an account beyond I think a Roblox account at the age of 12? Playing mostly Armour Games/Flash games and Minecraft helped me a lot in that regard

[alpine phoenix]

either way we're obviously never going to agree on this so it's stupid to argue about

[formal swallow]

Oh 100%, It's better to be honest and fix the issue then hide it. Father and Mother drilled that into us. Everyone is truly more happy and less "mad" if the issue is dealt with and honesty is used!

[ancient tundra]

https: //github ,com /hyprismteam/HyPrism/issues/121 causally drops the team opening a issue about it being a P!rate launcher

[delicate shale]

I hope hytale take into account malware could be added in a mod. I am not sure how curse forge prevent that, is that a worry ongoing if Simon is wanting the game to use mods as well ongoing?

[ancient tundra]

curseforge already handles malware risk

[red finch]

I didnt realize anyone could use hytale without an account

[formal swallow]

I think Malware is a lot harder to fully protect one against when it comes to community released additions, it would mostly come down to the measures that said mod hosting platforms employ and the downloader? Correct me if I'm wrong of course

[alpine phoenix]

that's a personal opinion from someone, does a game need constant verification with online servers to be legitimate?

[ancient tundra]

which is why most modders and platforms use curseforge for hosting

[red finch]

if everyone is required to have an account to use hytale, then wouldn't they be able to find pretty quickly the malware distributors?

[ancient tundra]

the distribution issue comes from sites like planet minecraft where they dont verify files for malware risk

[red finch]

if its even possible to design malware that hypixel wouldn't be able to detect easily since everyone would need to have an account

[alpine phoenix]

think of it like this, a kitchen knife is a tool used for cooking and it's the intended purpose of it. However it can also be used to kill someone which is not the intended purpose of it. Does that mean knives are bad?

[formal swallow]

What does such platforms do to combat it in general? Do they have something that searches for certain things in the code or? Genuinely curious as I don't know anything really on this subject o/ <3

[red finch]

even the ones making the mods need accounts, don't they ?

[ancient tundra]

its alot of scaning files for certain flags

[formal swallow]

That makes sense, is there much else you can do in that regard?

[ancient tundra]

thats all you really need to do

[alpine phoenix]

not exactly, games generally don't scan and verify every single file it uses. Even then there are ways to bypass that whole thing too

[delicate shale]

yes I use curseforge and prefer that as with the sims i got some malware from some sites so ended up sticking to the sims only released add ons.. The first question I asked my son when he introduced us to curse forge mods for mc was could I get malware and even for mc mods only used curseforge

[formal swallow]

That's understandable

[red finch]

im not talking about the scanning process

[formal swallow]

Hmm noted, I appreciate the additional context 🤍

[alpine phoenix]

i was more talking about finding malware distributors

[ancient tundra]

Core Malware Prevention Measures
Automated Testing (Layer 1): All uploaded files undergo over a dozen automated tests, including multiple anti-virus scans and file structure analysis to detect malicious code.
Manual Moderation (Layer 2): Project pages are manually reviewed upon creation or update to ensure compliance with guidelines. Suspicious files flagged by automated tests are immediately sent for manual review by Overwolf security experts, who may test the mod in a live environment.
Community Reporting (Layer 3): CurseForge maintains open lines of communication with modders via Discord, allowing for rapid reporting of suspicious behavior. Users can also use the "Report a Mod" feature to flag threats.

never download a mod that doesnt have a curseforge page

[alpine phoenix]

most modding websites just use simple virus scanning and community reports to verify mods. It generally works but sometimes something gets uploaded that isn't supposed to be there

[formal swallow]

Fascinating, does that sort of position pay well or is it more on the lines of grunt/lower end work?

The manual testing at flagged content clears up most of the system for me in regards to how they would deal with so much content clear and concisely. Communication with the community would also help a lot

[red finch]

sure but thats how every grocery store works too

[ancient tundra]

its a pretty standard cyber security job

[alpine phoenix]

depends on the website, if you are working for an IaaS or SaaS company then cybersecurity would pay VERY well

[formal swallow]

Neat! 🤍

[alpine phoenix]

i'm not interested in cybersecurity personally, i'm more interested in the stuff that gets cybersecurity'd

[formal swallow]

Could you clarify what IaaS and SaaS stand for and why they pay so much?

[lucid pilot]

SaaS is software as a service, not sure about IaaS

[alpine phoenix]

Infrastructure as a Service and Software as a Service, they're basically services some companies provide for a monthly or yearly fee

[delicate shale]

I am sure Hytale developers are working out the best way to distribute their game. Hopefully with mods they may suggest sites like curse forge for mods other than other unreliable sites.

[lucid pilot]

There you go, it pays more because you pay forever instead of once

[alpine phoenix]

infrastructure as a service is stuff like cloud hosting

[formal swallow]

Oooooh, ok got you! Infrastructure as a service would include a lot of back end stuff correct?

[delicate shale]

I notice Steam also is able to run the sims and other new games, do you think Hytale will use that platform later as well as well as their own webpage?

[alpine phoenix]

it is the back end, instead of hosting a website on a traditional server you rent a server from Amazon for cheaper in the short term

[formal swallow]

Mmm

[formal swallow]

That makes sense, I presume renting servers can potentially be a security risk if used in the long term?

[alpine phoenix]

no in the long term it's simply cheaper to buy your own server

[delicate shale]

i hadn't even thought of the server side being a risk. I tend to trust my son and use his servers as we only have family or his close friend on them

[formal swallow]

Hmm noted, is Amazon's general server security pretty good then? or does general security come down to the user/owner and not the company? 🤍

[alpine phoenix]

the initial cost of server hardware is very expensive but becomes cheaper the longer you have it, renting a server has a static cost that never changes. That's why it becomes more expensive

[formal swallow]

Eh, father used to host our Minecraft servers for the longest time, now Vintage Story ones as we've progressed game wise. Love being able to trust family with all that stuff when it's just with family

[alpine phoenix]

you basically have no control over the hardware itself since it's hosted in a massive datacenter

and the security is very robust, especially physically. They have like 6 or so layers of security for every data center

[formal swallow]

Got it, that all makes perfect sense, I appreciate the clarification for all my nagging questions xd. Life's so short so finding out new knowledge in a positive environment is always a joy 🤍

[delicate shale]

actually my son found time to buy and play hytale this weekend and enjoyed it. I have my fingers crossed eventually once he gets addicted to it like his mum and dad, he will have us playing together on a server lol. It took me all of half an hour of running Hytale for the first time to be addicted lol. Mind you I had been waiting for it since it was first time in the making and being showcased all those years ago

[alpine phoenix]

of course, that is inherently what makes it insecure imo. The more people that have access to the hardware the more insecure it is, you also have no control whatsoever over the hardware

[formal swallow]

Hell ya, father's waiting on getting Hytale till more content is added, but when that's done I'll purchase them the full Curse pack 🤍

Playing stuff like that with the family or close group of friends really is like nothing else

[alpine phoenix]

but services like AWS and Microsoft Azure has a low initial cost, so it's excellent for startups or people that wanna mess around with it

[delicate shale]

yeah at my age now I just don't want the hassle of running my own server, and now my son is far more advanced in tech knowledge and computers

[formal swallow]

Oh, good to know! I might look into that myself then actually

[alpine phoenix]

not to mention that you can host your stuff from anywhere in the world

[formal swallow]

Perfectly fair, I'm sure he's happy to help out and spend some quality time with their close family on top of using all that knowledge

[alpine phoenix]

but AWS is undoubtedly the biggest actor in this particular industry, then you have Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud

[formal swallow]

Mmm, though preferablly I would like to stay away from Microsoft stuff if possible. Their actions as a company + push of Ai usage have soured my use of them severly

It's one reason I've strayed from Minecraft so much, even if I enjoyed that game since I was a kid

[alpine phoenix]

and a load of smaller companies that provide the same thing, my sisters husband works at a startup mainly as a network technician and he prefer Hertzner for IaaS

[formal swallow]

That's awesome, I have a lot of options/choices I could tackle then. Always a pleasant thing to hear

[alpine phoenix]

yeah they provide a lot of stuff, they're also based in germany which has stricter security requirements.

[formal swallow]

Oh really? Is there other countries with notable requirements that may make them another wonderful choice over others?

[delicate shale]

yeah I just bought the basic pack myself. My son asked which to buy when he was downloading the game to try so to be the same as us version wise. I imagine he also will wait til more content before running a server, and want the multiplayer part to be more stable so we can change stuff if needed, as these days he is so busy with work so may not get on a server with us as much as previously. So having good server options that are easy to maintain and update, with good admin setup and menus would be great for us. I wonder if hypxel will host their own servers for Hytale? I know mc bedrock used to have realms, but when we switched to modded my son did the server side of things

[alpine phoenix]

but generally if you see someone mention something with aaS at the end it just means "as a Service". And it's just something you pay a monthly fee for to get access, Microsoft Office these days is a SaaS service

as an example, same with adobe programs

[formal swallow]

That's more then fair, the older I get the more I realize time is so precious. Retail for 5 years has been so draining too I can't wait to learn this Cyber Security stuff and do something enjoyable for a change. I hope your son can find more free time in the near future. I know server wise Hypixel has stated they want to really push the players choice in that and outside of mini-games I don't think they're doing any hosting of their own. 🤍

[formal swallow]

Got it!

[alpine phoenix]

a better example would maybe be google apps, like google docs etc where you can just use it in the web browser

[formal swallow]

I never thought of it that way, that's a fair point lol

[alpine phoenix]

it's a buzzword imo but it is what it is

[delicate shale]

yeah atm my husband and I are playing hytale on our own laptops and miss playing together on a server as a family but we really don't want to be looking at servers at this stage

[alpine phoenix]

you'll encounter loads of those in the tech industry nowadays, like IoT and all that garbage

[formal swallow]

Understandable! It's a marvel how far laptops have gotten since I was a mere kiddo

[alpine phoenix]

i miss playing games over LAN, that was the best thing ever

[formal swallow]

Mmm, father had mentioned that as well. I've seen the trash AI has pushed in the industry and I'm not looking forward to dealing with buzzwords sprinkled over everything

Granted buzz words have obviously existed since the start in some capacity, it's by no means a new frustration

[alpine phoenix]

AI is just the continuation of a trend that has been going on for over 10 years at this point

[delicate shale]

yes my husband and I did that and it worked well espeically since we were on the same internet router

[formal swallow]

Mmm, I will say that the future for the industry is looking better then I thought first seeing it. Granted there is obviously still quite a large amount of people aiming for the same place I want to go

[alpine phoenix]

nowadays there are ways you can do LAN over the internet with other people. It's useful for games that only has LAN or no way to connect to other people in the modern era

[formal swallow]

Very excited for the money those jobs pay too, though It won't be that high when I first start it will make transitioning a lot more feasible cost wise

[alpine phoenix]

yeah Cybersecurity is very oversaturated, mostly because getting qualifications for it is really easy. The best way to make a career out of it is to be really good at it. Granted that's going to be more difficult

[delicate shale]

Tbh I don't find AI all bad... with hytale being so new , Ai in google is helpful for getting info where to find ores, items etc so it does have its benefits rather than the old searching for hours to find info

[formal swallow]

Oh 100%, I do adore a challenge and intend to push myself starting next week much harder. I still haven't deiced what to go for specifically but I will be starting with a general study on all the basic and work from there.

The cheapness of schooling was another big push for me even if it's an annoyance with over saturation. Trying to avoid any form of debt with my education

[alpine phoenix]

i wanna go into web development with PHP as a back end language, it's getting used more in Europe for stuff like E-commerce, banking, anything with storing and managing personal data

i'm going to do Full-stack though, which basically just means i do everything from the appearance of the website to the server specific stuff.

[formal swallow]

Hate for AI in all forms is a rather poor facade to keep up. It has it's uses and it's things that it should never touch. Like all things it's got it's own uses in moderation and when it's not pushed into everything. Like what it's helping in the medical field! Helping to find cancer in patients and create cures for other things

[alpine phoenix]

you're specialized in being unspecialized

[formal swallow]

Oh sick, I do wish you the best with that! That makes sense from your direction for sure

[formal swallow]

That's 100% the goal in general, Life is full of so much to learn and I intend to learn all I damn well can. I know for the most part I won't be an ace of cards but I'll try to at least be a jester if I can eh? 🤍

[alpine phoenix]

i can see both the upsides and downsides to it, it's useful as a learning tool, it can also do mundane tasks for web development specifically, like copy pasting a lot of stuff then changing a little bit of it

[formal swallow]

Mmm, though I don't like the personal idea of any machine doing something for me I can see those exact uses for others who are ok with that

[alpine phoenix]

downsides being pretty obvious, like environmental effects of the datacenters that use it such as pollution, people overrelying on it so they lose skills rather than gain them.

[alpine phoenix]

well in that kind of specific task, it can make something that would normally take 2-3 hours take 5 minutes

of course you would manually make sure it actually did what you wanted correctly. That's another downside for it

[formal swallow]

Oh 100%, as someone who adores nature and it's preservation that aspect is my main gripe with it overall. I've yet to ever touch a chat bot or anything like ChatGPT and intent to keep it that way. Even if it's throwing away a tool I could be using

[formal swallow]

That's true ya, father mentioned that being an option with their prior IT work. I presume this is generally not something you want to be too lax with and make sure to vet prior to it being used on any important project?

[alpine phoenix]

i only use it in a way where i don't give up personal data so they can't profit from it and i also only use it to explain stuff to me in a better way.

[alpine phoenix]

you don't wanna give it any access at all ideally, then you just copy paste the response after you have verified it

i've seen it delete entire projects because it thought it could do better than 15 web developers working full time

[formal swallow]

Duely noted, another push for me to learn all this has been my enjoyment of personal privacy and frustration with windows and other browsers, having used Windows since I was a kid

[formal swallow]

Makes sense, will keep that in mind as well

[formal swallow]

Yikes, that's more then a couple dollar mistake. Blindly trusting that of which can't form thoughts is quite a choice admittedly

[alpine phoenix]

something even more insane is that some tech companies force their developers to use it

but it is what it is, give it some more years and that will drastically change since it's not sustainable whatsoever

[formal swallow]

Mmm, I've read how much money they're losing and only hope it happens before the damage to nature can get too severe

[formal swallow]

Insanity when it's quite literally shooting themselves in their own knee caps

Reminds me of my confusion with people commissioning ai 'artists', you're paying not only for the resulting art but the passion of a humans touch. The way their mind sees the strokes and how their hands put to canvas something truely one of a kind. You are getting none of that with a prompt

[alpine phoenix]

i just see it as natural selection, the ones who survive is the smart ones who didn't overrely on it or use it at all. And the ones who didn't survive are the opposite

[formal swallow]

Granted I'm biased in the fact I have many artist friends and have payed much too much art over the past 2 years lol

[alpine phoenix]

companies can only lose so much money before they go bankrupt, about the art thing i pay for quality and the uniqueness of it. That's something only a human can provide

[formal swallow]

That's a fair way to view it, I'll keep that in mind. I've had issues in the past of obsessing over reasons, causes for such actions. Which is dumb when some things don't have explanations, there is no reasoning, only false truths and eyes turned the other way

[formal swallow]

100%

[alpine phoenix]

humans like looking at art that intrigues them and looks beautiful in it's own unique way. Personal touches are intrinsic to art and that can't be automated

[formal swallow]

🤍

Hmmm, it's getting rather late, almost 5 am lol

I appreciate the conversation and help on said subjects, may your week be that of positivety and wonderful charm IMRogue 🤍

Will keep this all in mind and noted

[alpine phoenix]

you're welcome

but yes, hytale is a pretty good game. Very fun and the amount of options you have to build a house is kind of insane.

i was also very surprised when i saw the different underground biomes

[tight wigeon]

Hows everyone's day so far

[pliant pagoda]

decent wbu

[tight wigeon]

Eh could be better im at work but otherwise not bad

[alpine phoenix]

i'm thinking of upgrading to supporter

[ornate iron]

[clever quest]

just be careful you actually upgrade and not buy another game profile entirely

[crystal needle]

Is it possible to get a tail in Hytale

[weak current]

yes. kinda

[crystal needle]

ok

[weak current]

there are morph potions to turn into an animal

[crystal needle]

Oh yah! I forgot

[forest portal]

I imaged the tails you put on lego people, like the ones with a plate you put between the leg pegs and the torso

like "Tail Equipped" but its just your lil leggys come off and a tail plate is slid in

[spice remnant]

How we doin boyyyuys

[tight wigeon]

Doin good

Whatcha up to

[slow horizon]

Hey im new to the game, just wondering if its here i can ask to join a party in the game if anyone is willing ofc^^

[hollow tapir]

It is a possibility for me although I only play in creative

[slow horizon]

oh i see i wanna find some new friends to play with in exploration mode pve i guess^^ but thanks anyway

[hollow tapir]

Alrighty

I think I have like 50 hours in the game yet I haven't even played exploration!

[slow horizon]

hehe are you just building in creative mode or what do you do in that mode?^^

[hollow tapir]

Oh gotta go now, I'll be back in like two hours!!

[slow horizon]

oki see ya

[hollow tapir]

Yeah pretty much!! Been building a motorway junction last night!

[slow horizon]

haha sounds really intersting and amazing 😄

[crystal needle]

Hey 👋🏻

[slow horizon]

Hello 🙂

[spice remnant]

Nothing interesting, doing some work

[hollow tapir]

I can maybe show you when I get home!!!

[tight wigeon]

Same

[slow horizon]

sure sounds good^^

[spice remnant]

Fair enough, that's Monday vibe

[crystal needle]

How’s your day been going

[slow horizon]

it's been great, just making some dinner right now, how about you?^^

[crystal needle]

Been doing good, it’s 9:43am for me

Yesterday I barely played Hytale though sadly.. I passed out for like 3-4 hrs

[slow horizon]

ah damn, tired from work or?^^

[crystal needle]

Yah

I’m tired from work,

It’s been a long week

[raven yoke]

hey guys

[slow horizon]

ah i see, hope you can get some time in hytale soon then hehe^^

[slow horizon]

hey hey ^^

[alpine phoenix]

yeah i saw that it's a possibility lol

was wondering why there wasn't a price reduction

[clever quest]

yeah gotta do it from the profiles screen on your account page

[alpine phoenix]

damn bro, that's a lot of hypixel staff lol

[crystal needle]

Yah me too

[clever quest]

Heh, and thats only some of them. Simon said they're over 70 developers deep now.

[alpine phoenix]

game sold well i presume lol

[clever quest]

I'm sure its exceeded expectations

[alpine phoenix]

yeah, it's good to see

it's bigger than a lot of indie studios lol

[slow horizon]

would you like to play with me sometime, just started up been looking around in the game a little^^

[crystal needle]

Yah sure, I have a personal server. If you wanna join.

Just gotta set the ground rules. Like no griefing or stealing… stuff like that.

What time zone are you in?

I’m in Central Time Zone.. so it’s 10:01am for me

[muted grotto]

i like cats

[crystal needle]

Noice…

I’m a Dog and Cat fan they’re both so adorable

[muted grotto]

cats>>>

[crystal needle]

Yah, cats are adorable especially kittens

I used to volunteer at a animal shelter and just played with the kittens and cats

[crystal needle]

What’s you cats name?

[alpine phoenix]

the best job

drown in the floof

[crystal needle]

Yah, it was fun. The kitty’s were so cute

[hollow tapir]

I sent a friend thingy so that I can send you the images there!!

[spice remnant]

What

We need a traumatized kweebec emoji.

[remote raft]

Given that lighting doesn't seem to influence creatures spawning, I wonder if we'll get anything that prevents creatures from spawning too close to our builds. Something like a totem, maybe?

[alpine phoenix]

fences maybe

but a kweebec ward would make sense

[livid raft]

And hello chat, have a nice week :)

[spice remnant]

At least for now, light doesn't prevent them from spawning..

[mental zinc]

hey, and um interesting banner..

[livid raft]

Ty

[alpine phoenix]

he's french so it doesn't surprise me

[livid raft]

💀

[woven sundial]

Question how many developers are there that is working on hytale

[echo panther]

Probably like more than one at the very least

[pseudo plank]

Last number I saw was ~60

most likely a decent bit higher than that, they've been hiring well

[upbeat wigeon]

60? That's a decent chunk.

[pseudo plank]

LinkedIn is saying 61, more than 70 globally

Although not sure how up to date that is

[spice remnant]

Damn

[gilded loom]

Has anyone made progress on a mod “manager” for Linux/MacOS Hytale players? Can’t exactly use the Curseforge app on those OSes.

[clever quest]

You're not letting that stop you from using mods though right?

[gilded loom]

No, but it’s a bit of a pain to open the folder every time and cram mods in.

[mighty urchin]

mods are getting updated pretty fast.

[clever quest]

google "Butter launcher", it will solve your issue

[eternal reef]

Thinking about establishing poop farms for fertilizer, it would help to know the culling distance, anybody know it?

[ancient tundra]

[chilly sinew]

Hey, have you heard anything about shaders? I’d just like to make the game look even better - it looks great as it is, but if there were something like a “complimentary” feature, I’d never want to stop playing it.

[clever quest]

Hope they add that at some point.

[spice remnant]

That is surprised...not traumatized....not traumatized enough.

[eternal reef]

Fertilized tilled soil is permanent until the tilled soil degrades to mud or is destroyed. Perfect for eternal plots. 2.5x growth buff.

[broken idol]

Huh, we're glowing.

[spice remnant]

We all glow July....we all glow here...

[mighty urchin]

😈 🤡

[sleek quest]

I can only theorize over it someday being implemented as part of a server-side asset pack, but as for client-side, you'll be restricted to 3rd party hooks like Reshade

[spice remnant]

You got it

[mighty urchin]

I sure did Georgie, ⛵ , ..............🎈 🤡

[spice remnant]

FPD GET PUT THE SWERS NOW 🗣️ 🗣️🔥🔥

[rose cape]

i just found out the discord changed

last time i used the discord, the majority of channels were filled with straight spam. hows it been now?

[toxic rain]

is there a site page or something that i can make a bug report or something

got a bit of something relating to the launcher itself

[rose cape]

https://accounts.hytale.com/feedback

[remote raft]

Knowing that there are decorative items like counters and bookshelves we can't build yet... ah, the possibilities

[undone coral]

My launcher stays open for a few moments after I start up the client, then the client wigs out while it closes the launcher, then it's business as usual. Same thing?

[toxic rain]

No, it's different. it's kinda exclusive to linux xfce

i cant sign in because the button in the launcher isnt working, like it doesnt bring me to the sign-in page

[toxic rain]

Nvm. Same thing happened in other launchers that feature external browser sign-in

is the launcher sign-in link randomzied?

[edgy ridge]

hello wonderful people, did techoblade get his recongintion yet?

[rugged nymph]

Yeet

[spice remnant]

Still nothing as far as we know(or at least as I know)

[ancient tundra]

its planned but not implimented its likely going to be in the storymode

[valid echo]

A desolate landscape with sharp red coral growing like veins creature. At nightfall, sea filling up the seabed with cursed water till only the tallest hills and the starless sky visible. Followed by water being chased away by the sun appearing on the gray horizon. Both day and night horrible creatures roam the surface and the water... Welcome to Forgotten Shore!

Huh.. I can send the description here, but not in builds showcase

What is blocking it o.O

Aaaa

Realized, haha

I can't mention the title of the novel.. cuz it contains an 18th century and before member of society that stopped existing

[forest portal]

if you go into enough caves theres a little guy whose house is there and its filled with bookcases shelves and other decorations

thats where I've gotten all my stuff

[forest portal]

wait what do you mean?

[craggy veldt]

Ah my bad, didn't mean to break rule

[alpine phoenix]

wat

hmm

i dunno i suck at building, what's the optimal block ratio for making something symmetrical

say i have 2 doors on my house, how do i make double doors symmetrical with the roof

[azure thistle]

Couldn't you place 2 separate roof tiles facing away from each other?

[alpine phoenix]

what do you mean, i have a wood house with a wood roof and the doors are off by 1

like the top of the roof is not aligned with the doors so it's off center

[mighty urchin]

move the door over by one?

[delicate shale]

ok I am in NZ so i get confused with the time zones and when updates drop. Is there any news if we will be getting the game update this week or is it still just updates for people to try prerelease atm

I am never sure where to go to get info as I know a lot is dropped on x but I seldom log in there so wondered if any other place they drop info

[nocturne cave]

Just follow the announcements here. They are good at linking to the X update patch notes

[delicate shale]

great . thanks for that. Just checked there now.... darn no mention of updates... so back to farming for me lol

[pseudo plank]

Hytale's roof blocks kinda reinforces using multiples of 2 (if you're looking for that peaked roof look that is), I've been building in multiples of 4 because of this. You can always try different roof designs or trying to expand on the building so you're not just building one big rectangle, or even just adding a bunch of noise around to distract you from the blocks that you feel are misaligned

[alpine phoenix]

yeah, making roofs are also a pain

[valid echo]

Discord automoderator has that word filtered.. cant send links either.. all I can do is describe around it for u to understand. Webnovels name is Shadow _____, the people english transported in the past to America, and there having a civil war about it.

Kinda ridiculous that it's this restrictive.. like anybody uses the word seriously at this point.. and not just means something from a game or anime

[open copper]

I do find making them more enjoyable then minecraft tbh

[grand stag]

i dunno what youre talking about.... minecraft lets you use stairs for a roof.... its pretty genius if you think about it (/s)

[tranquil flame]

When I was down and broken he picked up the pieces, all my homies Christian, brother pray Jesus

[slender pawn]

Hope everyone is doing well 🙂

[alpine phoenix]

there is an interesting sci-fi novel called Infinite War

[shadow fern]

Yo yo yo. any hytale servers focued on survival/exploration?

[tawdry valve]

Hytale should release the Hytale client source code, I'm serious, it has many limitations because of that 😐

I still can't believe that in 2026 there's no hunger system, nor that you can't use 3D skins using mods, due to engine limitations.

I said it from the beginning, add an optional hunger system, improve the crafting system, do something elaborate

[grand stag]

i rarely, if ever, see games release their source code.
the server allows you to change A LOT... so its interesting to see someone talk about limitations.
Every game has limitations.
They stated from the get go that they plan to release the server source code, but they have no plans to ever release the client source code.

[tawdry valve]

serious mistake, they said that "EVERYTHING" could be modified

Hytale is not just any game; total freedom was expected, but it seems that will never be achieved.

[grand stag]

i dont remember them ever once saying EVERYTHING could be modified.

im glad theyre keeping the client code private.
it helps safety in the game.
If we look at MC, every server owner is constantly struggling with cheats and exploits.

[tawdry valve]

There will continue to be hacks whether you like it or not, and that's not why we should deprive users of the ability to be creative.

[grand stag]

that's not why we should deprive users of the ability to be creative.
this comes off as very entitled.
They dont owe you anything. Theyve given you a lot of tools.
They're not going to give you every possible tool known to mankind.
I for one think its nice what they have given us.

[tawdry valve]

I support Hytale, but I will harshly criticize the things that should be there, that they promised and that we don't have. I'm not talking about the content but about the possibilities, "in Hytale you can do anything."

And I hate to have to talk about Minecraft here, but at least they released the source code; Hytale should be the one taking the lead, not the one lagging behind.

[grand stag]

yeah, sorry but you just sound extremely entitled, you're acting like they owe you something.
"in Hytale you can do anything."
Its called a slogan, not meant to be literal.
If theres something you want, request it, maybe they'll add it.

And I hate to have to talk about Minecraft here, but at least they released the source code;
not they havent.
They just stopped obfuscating their jars.
The source code is still private.

If theres something you want, request it, maybe they'll add it.
also keep in mind its early. the game has been out for 2 months.
People have requested a lot, and they're adding a lot of tooling with each update.
you gotta be patient.

[indigo rivet]

Criticizing for not releasing source code is insane ☠️

[tawdry valve]

I'm not arrogant, I'm just frustrated because I want to be able to do more things and I can't. If criticizing is being arrogant, then okay.

[grand stag]

i never once said you were arrogant, i said you were acting entitled.
Theres a HUGE difference there.

[tawdry valve]

I'm critical, I want Hytale to succeed, but I'm seeing things that aren't bad, and that shouldn't be the case.

[grand stag]

so open a report and request they add the things you'd like to see in the game.
They sure as hell arent going to release the source code just because YOU cant do something you feel entitled to do

[tawdry valve]

Whatever you say, nothing's going to change anyway.

[indigo rivet]

Yo release the source code my homies would appreciate a free game

[grand stag]

well it sure as heck aint going to change with you "Criticizing" the game in a discussion channel.

[tawdry valve]

I remember when they said that another game could be created using the Hytale engine; I'm still waiting to see that tool. Where's the neon city?

[grand stag]

i dont think they meant it'll be a tool they'd release.
I think they meant their engine could be used for them to make more games.
similar to how Mojang uses the "bedrock engine" on 3 (or more?!?) games

[tawdry valve]

Seriously, man, they advertised it as a tool we could use, now you're telling me it can't be used 😑

[grand stag]

ive personally never seen nor heard such thing.
So im speculating.

again, i cant see a game studio releasing their game engine.

[tawdry valve]

Hytale was going to be that, "was going to be"

[grand stag]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tawdry valve]

Now, seeing all this, I don't know what to think; I hope everything turns out alright.

[grand stag]

gotta give it time.
the code were using now, is code that was written in 2014-2021.
Riot ditched it and re-wrote the game.
When Simon took hytale back, they went back to their original engine, which wasnt touched for years.
They pushed out a release quick.... now they're working on fixing bugs and adding more mod tools.
it wont happen overnight.... but they are trying their best to give us everything we want/need.

Im not trying to sound like a butt kisser... im just supportive of what theyre doing.
I have found several bugs that annoy the heck outta me, but im being patient and hoping they'll fix them.

[tawdry valve]

I will continue to support it, but naturally, I will also point out what I find wrong or what I think can be improved, always wanting to support this as much as possible. I've been waiting for this since 2018.

[grand stag]

I've been waiting for this since 2018.
same here. I was over the moon happy when it came out this year.
Its super flawed/buggy... hence their report features.
your best bet is to use that feature to request changes and report bugs.
(they're not sitting in these channels looking for input)

[tawdry valve]

Although talking here is liberating jeje

[grand stag]

i agree. my only thing was (as i said before), your messages came from anger and came off entitled.
you can still talk about things you want in a happier tone 😉

[tawdry valve]

It was frustration, I feel frustrated to be honest

[grand stag]

i for one hate dislike how i cant go further than 100k blocks out without the game bugging. ive reported that and hope to god they fix it.
but i still enjoy the game.

[forest portal]

could you tm me the book name?

[tawdry valve]

What frustrates me most right now is the damn hunger system. It doesn't exist, and that ruins the cyclical gameplay experience. Food feels artificial, like a disguised potion; it accumulates and is useless. Growing food is pointless, as is any existing or potential cooking mechanic. I want hunger to exist and be optional for those who want to experience it.

[tawdry valve]

this

[grand stag]

last time i checked eating food increases your health.
also (assuming youre doing this) you cant compare to Minecraft.
Hytale is doing their own thing.

[warped girder]

For me I hope hunger never exists, but they expand on food further obviously so its not... as it is now. Hunger just gets in the way for me

Tbh I missed the part of you saying optional. Mb

[tawdry valve]

That's why I want it to be optional, as it says; those who want it can activate it, and those who don't want it simply don't activate it, and that's it.

[tawdry valve]

The idea was for Hytale to do it better, not to copy Minecraft.

[livid raft]

👋

[limpid lion]

🧙‍♂️

[pseudo plank]

It's a floating point precision issue, nothing to do with the engine but how computers deal numbers

[grand stag]

yeah i know the problem, they can definitely fix it tho

[pseudo plank]

The server code is easy to look at and edit, see if you can fix it yourself and send it to them

[grand stag]

i think its more of a client issue than a server issue.

[pseudo plank]

It's not, the client only renders what its being given by the server

[grand stag]

the client handles the player physics/movements.
you can only walk in a straight line when that far out, thats a client restriction/bug, the server doesnt handle that movement.

the world flickers on and off when youre out that far.
so its having issues rendering.... client issue.

[pseudo plank]

The client does none of that, the server handles physics and movement, and then sends it back to you. The client does something called "client-side prediction" based on your inputs, the server also gets that info, does the math, and sends it back to the client where it corrects anything that may be wrong on the client side. You can see the same thing happen in minecraft when in a boat, server log fills up with "client moved too fast", so they fix your position and force you back into it

[grand stag]

um, ok if you say so 😂

[pseudo plank]

Please do some research before you disregard my comment

[grand stag]

i could say the same for you. but please go on with that arrogancy

[pseudo plank]

Anyone with any sort of experience in game development will tell you I'm right, sorry

[grand stag]

The client does none of that, the server handles physics and movement,
that makes sense... cause if the server crashes and the client is logged in, and i can still move, interact with blocks, physics works... you betcha... the server (that crashed) is handling all that.

You can see the same thing happen in minecraft when in a boat, server log fills up with "client moved too fast",
yes, but you will notice the player will move, the server will force you BACK.

the bug in hytale isnt the server forcing you back, you cant move at all. Thats the client not handling the movement properly.
if the server were forcing you back, you'd see jitter, but thats not happening.

Anyone with any sort of experience in game development will tell you I'm right, sorry
I know quite a bit about this... but if you think youre right thats cool.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[pseudo plank]

If you can confidently reproduce this with proof, please do

[grand stag]

back when Hytale had that bug where you stop your server but it didnt kick you... that was all the proof i needed.

I was out at 3mil.... i stopped server, it didnt kick me.
So i could move around, still only in a straight line.
The world still flickered.

My server was off.... this isnt a server restriction.
Yes i agree the server will rubberband you if it doesent agree with your position.
But the actual movement/physics is handled by the client.
Its periodically updated with the server to "ack" your movement.
but you really think the server is handling your physics?
Thats insane. the client handles player physics and it communicates with the server for comformation.

If the server handled your physics/movement, you'd be rubber banding/jittering non stop

[pseudo plank]

Please google "client-side prediction" and come back to me. Also if your server stopped, what are you connected to? Where is that information going?

[grand stag]

omg i cant with you.

[pseudo plank]

If you're not willing to back up your claim with proof or research, then why have this conversation?

You can't just get people to agree with you because you said it's true

[grand stag]

i literally did, but you do you

[pseudo plank]

Where? You haven't reproduced your server stopping claim, you haven't looked up and tried to understand client-side prediction, all you've said is "I'm right, trust me"

[grand stag]

ok youre right im wrong. you happy now?

[pseudo plank]

I'm not looking to win an argument, I'm just trying to explain to you how it actually works, you're just too stubborn to listen

[grand stag]

ok

[pseudo plank]

You're a game dev though right? What you been working on?

[grand stag]

i could never make a game, isnt that obvious? i clearly havent a clue what im talking about

[pseudo plank]

Alright ahaha, just take it in stride man, no need to be difficult about it

[grand stag]

Okie dokie

[pseudo plank]

Was just tryna make conversation, one game dev to another

[grand stag]

yes, but we clearly dont agree. so i dont know what else to say.
working on my own projects, working with hytale, and years of working with Minecraft internals, i presonally think i know what im ttalking about.

Example:
yesterday i was working on a custom world generator for MC.
I made a whoopsie and the server crashed.
But i was still in game.
I could move around, i could "break" blocks, i could jump, i could walk/run, i landed on blocks.
the server was crashed, so im clearly not communicating with the server.

i personally know that the client in MC (and i assume hytale is the same) does the movement/physics/collision ... which is then communicated with the server.
If the server disagrees, it bounces (rubberband) you back.

Anothr example in MC is if you send a fake block to the player.
The player can stand/jump on that block.
It doesnt exist on the server, so its evident the client handles that collision
(the server will boot you cause it thinks youre flying)

i may not have a degree in computer/game design or anything, but im pretty confident i know what im talking about.

[pseudo plank]

By "break" blocks you mean you could break them but they wouldnt drop anything right? because the server handles that. I imagine if you reloaded that server that the block would still exist.

You're quite literally explaining client-side prediction, you're just looking at it the wrong way

[grand stag]

i would break it, it would be gone, but not particles/drops, as the server would handle that.

You're quite literally explaining client-side prediction, you're just looking at it the wrong way
i literally know what im talking about
I may not know all the terms, but ive dealt with packets so much in MC, im pretty confident i know what im talking about.

Player: "I broke block"
Server: "OOO nicee... ok so here are some particles and some items"
Player: "Gee thanks"

Player: "Im falling"
Server: "Yep, cool, ill accept that"
Player: "Youre so kind"

Player: "Im landing on this block"
Server: "Ill allow it"

Player: "Im standin on this block"
Server: "What block. tf you talkin about .... kick"
Player: "Rude"

i dont appreciate your condescending tone with me.
So i think we should agree to end this here.
"agree to disagree"

[pseudo plank]

Okay now look at it this way

P: I think I broke a block
S: You did, lemme update that and give you the drop

P: I think I'm falling
S: You are

P: I think I'm moving at the max speed
S: You're moving slightly too fast, lemme correct that

P: I think I'm standing on a block
S: What block? Lets put you back into a falling state

You're looking at it from a client authoritative view, when most servers are server authoritative

[grand stag]

P: I think I'm standing on a block
S: What block? Lets put you back into a falling state
mc doesnt even do that.

[nova cosmos]

I mean there's pros and cons to both, client authoritative is snappier if not instant but server authoritative is less vulnerable to cheats

I think minecraft does both at the same time which is why there are desyncs

[jaunty bobcat]

wait no, I can say this is only partially true

I have worked extensively with the protocol

but, I can say that your correct that the server has the last say, always, in both minecraft and hytale

but there isnt really a falling state for the client(that the server will tell it to go into)

[pseudo plank]

The falling state was a generalisation, most games use state machines, not entirely sure if either mc or hytale do

[jaunty bobcat]

it instead just gets kicked(given enough time)

the top one is correct, except for in creative mode, the client will predict that it has broken any block if it punches it, regardless of if the server updates it
minecraft is different though, and will predict breaking blocks in survival and creative when broken by the client
hytale only does it in creative

[pseudo plank]

Oh okay fair enough, I forgot about the flying is not enabled thing

[jaunty bobcat]

anyways, yeah, I think your right other than some semantics about specific behaviors

hytales protocol is kind of cool in some regards though
because, it allows extensive configuration of clientside prediction

[pseudo plank]

I appreciate you, I was kinda more explaining how client-side prediction works but it's nice to know how it actually works in both hytale and mc. Thank you for that :D

[jaunty bobcat]

unlike minecraft, that allows very, very little to be changed regarding client prediction without introducing mods

[jaunty bobcat]

yeah nw lol

[jaunty bobcat]

anyways, I can say that you shouldnt be able to break blocks, however you should be able to move, and do certain interactions that dont rely on dynamic server behavior

I run a server that basically ghosts the client on a network level after the world is sent, and I can do most things, except for break blocks
I do however get particles when punching them

[grand stag]

yeah, thats why i was saying the bug in question is a client side bug, not a server side bug.

[pseudo plank]

The bug in question btw is the floating point issue when moving too far from (0, 0, 0)

[jaunty bobcat]

on an unrelated note, the client actually waits a shockingly long time before disconnecting if you ghost it on the network(if ever)

[grand stag]

makes me wonder if they use floats on the client instead of doubles?
(sorry, i totally get the floating point issue, im just spit balling)
MC you can go out to 30mil with no problem.
So it seems funny that hytale acts up just at 100k blocks.

[jaunty bobcat]

actually they use doubles for position on the network

[grand stag]

yeah i saw that, just dont know what the client actually uses for movement

[jaunty bobcat]

orientation are floats though, but yeah, I cant say if they do something like cast it later

[grand stag]

hashtag 2014 code 😂

[jaunty bobcat]

I havent ever managed to get the client to disconnect from a timeout once its in the play state though, even after waiting like, an hour, but it will timeout in the assets phase if your too slow(I didnt ever send ping packets though, its possible that you needed to send those)