server-plugins-read-only

[digital spindle]

Really? So we can setup a multiplayer server straight away

[west elk]

Correct!

[dawn scaffold]

There is just "Early Access launches January 13, 2026" But not like 2pm UTC or sth

[west elk]

Ok looks like it's only on the store page lol. In the nav bar

[dawn scaffold]

ah yeah thanks

[upbeat storm]

I had no idea Andre was a French name

[vernal niche]

You know how people have these deep meanings to their names? "André" comes from Greek "Andros" and stands for...

"Man"

[summer otter]

😂 well you're a man for sure, my man

[abstract pike]

Mushroom

[light lance]

Simon tweeted that they're still deciding on what time the release will be on the 13th. 10 am is a placeholder time

[west elk]

Ah ty!

[sage panther]

Hey all — quick share for modders here.

I just launched Picanik.gg, a new Hytale mod listing platform focused on clean mod pages, early visibility, and optional donations.

We’re starting creator traffic pushes this week (YouTubers + hosting partners), so early listings get first-mover exposure.

If you’re already planning to publish mods somewhere, feel free to list — totally optional.

Happy to answer questions or take feedback.

[hazy swan]

Do you have an API for uploading/creating versions?

The disc invite link on your site is expired, could you send me an invite link in DMs please!

[tidal mauve]

hmm im skeptical about that one

[stone cedar]

so.... Nitrado Man

[stone cedar]

is there any virus scanning or some such

also what about global cdns for bigger mods

[rich solar]

It will most likely link mods to their curse release I would assume

[stone cedar]

ngl if thats the case i dont get why it exists

[tidal mauve]

i wont post on curse

[stone cedar]

like if i publish to curse, nexusmods or such why would i go to another new other platform just to backlink to the actual mod page

[autumn nexus]

Why not CF?

[tidal mauve]

cursedforge sucks man

im not gonna be supportung them, especially after all the stuff they done over the years

[autumn nexus]

it's probs where I have my most downloads so hence why I use it tbh, I have CPT ready and waiting

[tidal mauve]

my personal favorite is monetary incentive to make user experience worse

[silver lynx]

explain

[tidal mauve]

"forbid users from using good mod managers if you want to get paid"

[autumn nexus]

I mean, as long as they are inclusive and dont use AI, I dont see an issue

[tidal mauve]

aka inability to download some mods via non-cursedforge mod managers

[stone cedar]

also something else i dont get is people "making mods" before there even is anything to make mods for released

[silver lynx]

have you looked at GDLauncher which can download all mods from Cf.

[sage panther]

I plan to have basic virus scanning implemented before Hytale is out, if not straight away, then very close to release. Yes on Global CDN. And we plan to have an API also close to Hytale's release.

We have built in donation for mods

[rich solar]

Prism is my goto

[upbeat storm]

There are a lot of mods that can get very fleshed out without needing the game itself

[tidal mauve]

like yeah i can go get an API key from cursedforge and put it into prism but still screw them man

[upbeat storm]

APIs in particular, but I've done most of the work on a discord chatbridge already

Stuff like that

[stone cedar]

i mean thats sort of like game concept art vs released game

[tidal mauve]

i shouldnt be doing that and they shouldnt encourage mod makers to make my experience worse

if you catch what i mean

and also their political activities, not big fan

[stone cedar]

ok that i could see since you can just have some abstraction/wrapper that your mod uses to then just add hytale api stuff in there so its connected

[tidal mauve]

those things shouldnt be political, much less encourage gen*cide

[silver lynx]

The problem is that some 3rd party mod launchers don't know how to properly pull the ad page for the download and so end up putting a bad experience on their end user. gdlauncher, ftblauncher, prism, and atlauncher don't have issues downloading content from cf that requires ads (ie when the mod author chose, no third party distribution). which simply means, the mod must be downloaded via the webpage, a literal scrape but with the ad shown.

[stone cedar]

but some people already plan to do like redstone-esque stuff and such

[upbeat storm]

Yeah

[upbeat storm]

Those are mostly just models I think. To be fair, working on the models is a lot of the work

[stone cedar]

imma just say we prob wont see most of the mods ever come out people talk about rn

[tidal mauve]

thats very twisting what the actual problem is

[silver lynx]

the easy solution, don't use the 3rd party luanchers, use the cf app.

[upbeat storm]

I think some of the notable ones like Hynergy will come out. I know some of the devs on these mods and they're pretty dedicated and crazy talented

[tidal mauve]

thats not a solution

[stone cedar]

yeah i dont doubt some of them will actually come

[silver lynx]

it is for me and works really well, and I'm on linux.

[upbeat storm]

Not really a solution if you don't want to use CurseForge lol

[tidal mauve]

linux has nothing to do with it 🤦‍♂️

[silver lynx]

if you don't eat bread because it has gluten, can't help you. that's how i see it.

[upbeat storm]

Personally I haven't touched CurseForge since Modrinth came out

[boreal radish]

honestly even as the #1 forge fan thats valid

[upbeat storm]

Not even really anything against CurseForge personally, Modrinth is just awesome

[silver lynx]

sure linux has nothing to do with it, i put that out there to indicate i should have more problems because I'm on linux. you're making me type a novel, when you are not typing a novel and you definitely should type a novel so we don't spend 30 minutes of watching you say "not a solution"

[stone cedar]

they literally said they dont wanna use curseforge

[tidal mauve]

ill just host my mods on github until either modrinth adds hytale or a good alternative comes out

[silver lynx]

i can't remove the pickle from your hamburger if you don't mention the pickle

[stone cedar]

ill prob just make a new sub forum for it on my own site

[tidal mauve]

i already said above what i dont like about cursedforge, you disagreeing with me or proposing "solutions" to problems i dont have doesnt really help anyone

[silver lynx]

you said some 3rd party launchers have issues, but you didn't say which ones, and I pointed out the ones that don't.

[tidal mauve]

i said them encouraging mod makers to forbid third party downloads is bad

[silver lynx]

most modders also cross host on modrinth, so you can get said mods for free that way.

and yes, that is defeatist

[sage panther]

(cough cough)

[tidal mauve]

your website looks ai generated bro

[tidal mauve]

i just dont use mods which are only available on cursedforge, and im no longer distributing my own stuff there either

as shrimple as that

[fluid patio]

I wonder how long it will take for someone to create a blazingly fast rust hytale server implementation

[tidal mauve]

blazingly fast? a long time 🤭

[sage panther]

I spent 2 months working on it and you say AI generated...thank I guess haha.

it is an unfair assumption to say the least 🙂

[tidal mauve]

thata just how it is these days.
if it isnt, take it as praise and move on

[sage panther]

thank you then

[silver lynx]

it's clean and elegant, i can see why someone might think it's AI. maybe if you add a typo or something that is off-centered.

[sage panther]

We live in crazy times hahah

I am a perfectionist, I had it working a week ago, but I had to make sure everything is pixel perfect. Thank you though 🙂

[autumn nexus]

same, I just use CF as a store for my works

[silver lynx]

ah perfectionism, the thing that leads to chaos. someone tried to make a perfect world a long long time ago. look at it now.

[autumn nexus]

Modrinth will NOT support hytale iirc

they've already said iirc

there a lot of stores already tho

[tidal mauve]

ive seen many vibe coded ones thats for sure, will see what stands the test of time

[autumn nexus]

mhm

so far CPT will support Orbis (one I like the most ngl), UnifiedHytale (tho the UI could do with cleaning a lil), CF, Modtale and Picanik, but we'll find one that everyone likes in time

[pearl geyser]

Have they released the documentation for creating plugins yet?

[stray pasture]

VibeCode and work, but I can only see it working to get something started. Enough to get money. Then hire people to take it from there. Then they can use AI as a tool. 😄 that is my only thought at least. But hey! VibeCoding a working system is inherently bad. 😄

[sage panther]

they have example projects out there

But it doesn't give the full picture in a clear way. Just be there on day 1.

[formal burrow]

There isn't really a point in supporting someone who says they are going to have an in-game version of you

Rinth actually pays their mod authors generously I have heard

so it makes sense why not to bother making something that'll end up being outdated

[sly shuttle]

🐱

[rose atlas]

Hey what's up?

[sly shuttle]

I’m a bit impatient. I’m really eager to start making mods in Hytale

[autumn nexus]

docs wont be a thing until like a few weeks after EA iirc

[clever geyser]

As I understand it, I need a UDP/QUIC proxy that will allow me to proxy the player to one of the closed servers via SNI. I can track it in my network of hubs/survivals via connectionId, right? If I don't have access to connId/I have a network of proxies, I will need some kind of separate service with a heartbeat mechanism.

Am I correct?

And one more thing. Will it be possible to specify a fallback server for the client? For example, if the server is hosting 100 players and suddenly goes down, bungeecord/velocity can transfer/distribute them to other servers.

[formal burrow]

We don't have local scripts right now

as they need to figure out how to sandbox them like roblox does

[clever geyser]

What scripts are we talking about? Just specify the fallback server address, essentially a transfer packet but in case of error

[formal burrow]

Think of if you wanted all the blocks around a player in only their vision to be a bunch of random colors

And every single tick... They change. That's a lot of data. If you had a localscript change the colors of the blocks around them to random colors every tick you save on bandwidth and latency

[clever geyser]

Got it. But I was talking about something else in my message anyway

[sharp lake]

We don't know about defining fallback servers/payloads or anything yet
Only community discussion about it so far

[fathom pelican]

we dont really know much of anything on the programming side of things

i have accepted not to expect much for the first week of release, i just plan on playing with my friends like everyone else

[stray pasture]

This is my route, my guess is I will play it explore for at least 4 hours and put it down till 1.0 😄

[steep lion]

the actual connection logic is wrapped by netty so the server doesn't necessarily have to handle QUIC/TLS decryption
you could in theory handle QUIC protocol operation on the proxy, and modify the server code to work with the raw data

but I assume that would require modifying unsupported, non-API parts of the server code which could lead to higher maintenance cost

[solar tangle]

did they say we'll be able to mod servers from day one?

[rich solar]

yes

[steep lion]

TLS ensures end-to-end encryption, but as long as you have full control of both the server and the proxy you can change where the other end is 😇

[formal burrow]

It still has something to do with it, if a local script could transfer you or get you to connect to a new server, it means if a server timed out for too long, the client would be given directions beforehand on where to go

[west hornet]

Hytale will be utilizing the QUIC (udp) protocol for bi-directional server/client communication (tell me if I'm wrong) but I am curious– will servers have the ability to use TLS certificates so that clients, and maybe even servers, can verify the server and/or players? Is this something that, now, or in the future, Hytale plans to implement?-- I would be curious to know what the discussion around authority has been like at Hytale.

Assuming there will be some very competitive servers, will Hytale servers be able to have competitive-level tick rates, such as 64tps, and maybe even up to 256tps?

How will player authentication be done?

Are there any plans and talk of implementing any sort of federation or p2p, such as player authentication or server / player-player communication (not necessarily asking about any voice or text chat,-- I’m mostly talking about things like player movements and player authentication/authorization etc.)?

Finally, does Hytale plan on implementing its own mini-anti-dos/ddos or anti-bot into servers, and does Hytale think that will actually be necessary enough to provide official implementations?

For most of these questions, I’m wondering how Hytale sees the implementations, as an official mod/plugin, whether or not developers will be able to do this themselves, or whether or not Hytale plans to manage this themselves, but also allow developers to implement some or all of the things above in their own way.

Let me know if you want me to clarify anything, and I apologize if some of the info relating to my questions is available publicly, but I figured I’d ask my questions in a single message so that the bigger picture I’m curious about was easier to see. Thank you!

P.S. can you verify what language the server software is written in, whether or not it will be open source or the protocol will be publicly documented, and if servers will use 'mods' to add new features, or if there are mods / plugins? I think a graphic for this would be extremely useful, even relating to the protocol and other relevant things! --one more thing, are there any plans or talks about implementing scripting for server plugins/mods, or the ability to use multiple languages? And will there be official containers (docker/podman) for servers?

OH, and is there a reason Java (from what I've read) was used for the server software, over something like Golang, C, Rust, Zig, C++ etc.? --other than the likely existing familiarity with Java and Minecraft by the team? And if the server is actually written in Java, does it embed anything written in other languages, or is it pure Java?

[cosmic epoch]

I'm wondering if there is LUA support or something like that. Its been used from so many games that support mods, and is much easier to learn than Java for example. Would be glad if this will happen.

[old moon]

The server doesn’t need to be in Java?

[west hornet]

I was wondering the same thing, and now that serverless scripting / webassembly is popular, and hypixel has close ties with cloudflare, it would make a lot of sense to have something like that.

[west hornet]

I think he/she means native support

That's sort of why I also asked above if the protocol will be fully documented, which I imagine it will.

[storm junco]

I had an pretty sick idea for an mod last night, atleast for single player, but idk if I wanna give it away ngl

[fluid patio]

their target audience aligns a lot with minecraft and having a server API that is similar to the minecrafts(bukkit) server api will make the adoption process a lot faster. i am guessing they want the community to be able to drive itself through mods(similar to minecraft) and making it easy to adapt helps that a lot especially in the early stages. there is a revealed code of a server plugin in which you can see the similarities to the bukkit api. so its more about the community rather than the team would be my take.

[fluid patio]

idk where i have heard but i remember seeing that you will be able to adjust the tps through plugins. the default is 30 tps.

[fluid patio]

it is in java. there will be plugin support and slikey is working on a doc for the api. no client-side modding.

[foggy gate]

There is no LUA support. It's directly mentioned in the blog about modding

[old moon]

It's not similar to bukkit api? It's data driven and has more of an entity component system? It looks similar because it's coded in java

Sure in a broad sense its similar but in practise and design its a lot different. Did you see the screenshots from Slikey and the code he posted?

[fluid patio]

i didnt really take a deep look at the code. i remember seeing the static codec thing, the permission stuff, the command and the basic lifecycle. it is bound to have differences due to the ECS stuff tho you are totally right.

[fluid patio]

i glanced at the BlockSpawnerPlugin

let me take another look actually.

[old moon]

I am seeing a lot of plugins coded for hytale that are based on spigot/bukkit api. It's going to hit them in the face when they realise that they have to recode everything lol

[fluid patio]

yeah if they dont abstract it well enough its gonna be a very hard time for them.

[fluid patio]

yeah you are right, i guess i only cared about whats in common rather than whats the difference when first looking at it.

[old moon]

Good practise would be to download Unity and use their ECS to get a feel of how data driven design works. Try to spawn 1000 entities with random movements and different colours

It's also in C# which we all know is microsoft java

[fluid patio]

bevy's ecs might be a good playground too though its in rust. DOTS api was slightly weird iirc

[old moon]

Yeah that is true! DOTS was kind of weird ngl, was a long time since I used it lol

Burst compiler was cool to work on though

Kind of painful but still cool

[fluid patio]

i didnt get to play around with it yet just heard about it.

[rough geode]

Do you guys have access to the API's and server files already?

[west elk]

Nope. Will only be published when the game releases on the 13th

[rough geode]

Gotcha

TY 🙂

[misty gyro]

Only some specific individuals or specific companies already got access to it

[rough geode]

V cool. I'm looking to a little bit of modding and building myself as well as private hosting for a community I'm involved in. I was hoping there would be more documentation out by now, but in true dev fashion -- I'm going to figure it out myself 😆

[crude cedar]

Hi there, Hopefully this is a good spot to ask, I'm the Founder of TekkNodes and i had a client of mine ask me if i would be supporting Hytale hosting, Is there a way i can get in contact with someone to hopefully get this running?

[west elk]

You likely won't be able to get access to the server .jar before launch, but the set up will be similar to Minecraft servers. Hytale server runs on Java 25 and uses UDP/QUIC for networking on port 5520 by default

[crude cedar]

Fair enough! I em a small company. (Like under 10 clients) so hopefully I can provide good services for the game 🙂 that and play it myself too.

[misty gyro]

Is there btw something known if a client will get a mod as a .jar file when they join a server? Just curious if people can steal mods by just joining a server and copy pasting them 😄 Or if mods will be delivered somehow else so you can't just steal them

[cedar bronze]

Nah, definitely not, that would be dangerous. Probably just the assets are downloaded, and all the logic is handled on the server side

[inner meadow]

yes it will be like this

[west elk]

Yep only asset packs are downloaded, not java code. That said, some mods might only consist of asset packs (Cosmetics, custom mobs that only use a combination of vanilla behaviors, new blocks, etc.)
Those would be downloaded to the clients in their entirety

[chrome tundra]

You can easily use all JVM languages to start.
Also with GraalVM you can use Polyglot to easily pass most LLVM languages, pythong, weblanguages (with WASM), and community supported languages and share objects very easily accross different languages.
BUT the host will need to ship GraalVM instead of the standard java distribution.

[versed bronze]

@vernal niche could you answer a question for me?
How many players can be handled with a given amount of hardware?

On your website, you offer 72-slot servers with 72 GB of RAM.
How stable is that setup?

Are more than 72 slots currently not possible in a stable way?
Can you roughly say that 1 slot requires about ±1 GB of RAM?

[stone cedar]

you can always verify servers as they always need a cert. quic always is encrypted and by default (the reference implementation hytale uses with netty) its selfsigned so all you need is the fingerprint of the cert so anyone connecting could verify they are actually connecting to you

[vernal niche]

Where are you reading 72 slot servers for Hytale? 😅 Can you send me a screenshot?

[stone cedar]

id assume its extrapolated from the preconfigured offerings being 4gb=4slots and 6gb=6slots and so on

[versed bronze]

Well, my brain wasn’t braining 😅
I interpreted the 72 GB as roughly 72 slots, based on the recommendation of 8 GB RAM for around 10 players. Therfore i update my question what is possible with the 72gb ram, i mean it has to be a reason its 72 gb and not 64 or whatever

[west elk]

You can't extrapolate that. It depends massively on what type of gameplay you're going for (exploration on smp has more ram requirements than minigame server with fixed map)

[stone cedar]

explanation from andre themselves on ram stuff with hytale

even gives an example of 2 ram configs one with roughly 60people and one with 4 where the 4 people one crashed just by exploring

[vernal niche]

No there is not a real reason for that, it has more to do with pricing ranges.

tbqh we don't necessarily believe that anyone really needs to run a server on 72GB but we don't stop you.

[stone cedar]

i mean more money for you guys right if someone really wants 72gb ram

[versed bronze]

You can definitely make a rough estimate. Of course, you can't always map players to resources, but Nitrado and all game server providers do so anyway because they have gained a certain amount of experience in terms of how much resources are needed.

[stone cedar]

id also hope that once hytale development picks up and isnt just make it EA release ready server crashing and ram needs get managed somehow

but i could be putting hope in wrong places

[wispy anchor]

Expect it to be a hot mess at launch. They've already set our expectations. They are releasing it in its current buggy state, so that we can play the game, and in turn they get funding (god knows they need it after the Riot debacle lol)

[stone cedar]

im aware

[wispy anchor]

The process here reminds me of Cubeworld lmao

[stone cedar]

hence i have some hope stuff like ram use improves over time with continued development

[west elk]

Hytale already has more communication and community engagement than Cubeworld ever had, lol

[wispy anchor]

10000% lmao, lets pray it stays that way. Good way to keep them responsible is getting the community involved early. Truly believe they made a right choice here

[old moon]

The longer hytale waits to release the more impatient the community is going to become

Simon getting ownership again and posting that a release will come soon is a good boost but that boost won’t last long so it’s good they are releasing this month. I would rather it release this month in an unstable state then not release for the next two years.

[steep lion]

I feel like the amount of vanilla (exploration mode specifically) contents of Hytale at day one will be more or less similar to the late beta versions of Minecraft but the emphasis on mod support will probably allow many custom contents to be created quickly

[old moon]

I am honestly more excited about modding than playing the game

[steep lion]

Since there is no need for asking individual players to install the required mods my server will not hesitate on trying out many mods (although based on the community votes)

[old moon]

I am making mods for a server so they won’t be public

But maybe at some point I will

[silver cloak]

No. The server handles the logic, you only download asset files

[wispy anchor]

Maybe release mods open source so the community can develop and get better in the long run? Leaving your server as a showcase server?

Unless you're planning on selling them in the future of course 😄

[old moon]

I don’t own the server but they did say I could make it open source but that means players could possibly exploit/hack

[west elk]

Or they could help you fix bugs before they're exploited

Security through obscurity doesn't pay off in the long run

[old moon]

Yeah but does hypixel have an open source for their plugins and network code?

[wispy anchor]

They're releasing the server.lua unobfuscated so we can decompile it and figure out how things work

[old moon]

You talking about hytale or hypixel?

[west elk]

No, they hire external pentesting

[silver cloak]

Even if hypixel open sourced t heir server code, nobody would use it

If you know how to use it then you don't need to copy hypixel

[old moon]

Then why would I need to make my code open source?

[silver cloak]

You shouldn't

Having it open sourced puts your server in danger for exploits

[old moon]

Thank you my point has been made

[scarlet spoke]

That's why Linux is most unsecure OS or what? 😄

[silver cloak]

No offence to the guys who say "people will fix it". Nobody will because nobody care about you but IF you happen to blow up people will use it against you

[west elk]

Saying keep your code closed source to prevent exploits is also wrong

[scarlet spoke]

Open Source it, when you got a community behind it and support you. If you are a one-man-army, that literally makes no sense

[silver cloak]

Tons of hypotheticals going on

[west elk]

Open sourcing your code helps the Hytale community as a whole because others can learn from it and you can learn from others

[silver bronze]

You know what they say, security through obscurity is not a proper measure 😄

[old moon]

I am a one man army at the moment, yay

[scarlet spoke]

So, don't open source it. You literally open the gate to hell, if your community is more into harming you rather then helping you

[silver cloak]

That's very true but sometimes you want to keep things to yourself. No spoon feeding

All our hypotheticals are correct, it depends on the circumstance

[west elk]

It's a prisoner's dilemma. If nobody shares their code, the community will become toxic to beginners and everyone will think others are "stealing". I would love for the Hytale community to be open and sharing and helping each other and when someone goes "Wow that's cool how did you do that?", it would be a shame if the answer is "I won't tell you because I'm scared of exploits"

[silver cloak]

I am pro posting guides that help people grow. Not present them with a working code

[old moon]

You are taking this way out of context tbh. Literally no need for this.

We went from talking to about source code to now a toxic hytale community. That’s literally not what we are trying to do by keeping it closed source

I am done with this convo, have a good night

[silver cloak]

Good night!

[steep lion]

Can't you like, use AGPL license or something

[west elk]

Doesn't make a difference if your main concern is that the code you write could be insecure/exploitable while it's running on your server

[silver cloak]

You can't trademark hytale's code

[steep lion]

if your plugin only uses the public API it depends on the license restriction of it

[silver cloak]

You can't do anything in the same way you can't copyright someone for "stealing" your builds

You are both using Hytale's API. Good luck proving they "stole" your code

[karmic bane]

You can license your code most definitely

[silver cloak]

How? Hytale's API is not yours to license

I am going to research on this

[karmic bane]

You're not licensing Hytale's API, you are licensing your code. Those are separate

[steep lion]

I consider AGPL (or any open source license in that regards) to be ethically enforced things

[karmic bane]

The EULA just states that you grant a license to Hypixel Studios Canada if the mod is used with or shown in the Game or the Service

[silver cloak]

Just imagine we are in court, how do YOU win?

[karmic bane]

Other than that, for other users, you can license and even monetize any way you wantr

[karmic bane]

By usual copyright law? Those things happen on the regular and if their code is redistributed or derived from yours without permission, they are liable

[silver cloak]

But you can't copyright someone else for using hytale's api exactly like you

[karmic bane]

Bro

[steep lion]

if you're wise enough to open source your creation you wouldn't chase after every single attempt at trying to be similar to what you made

[wispy anchor]

Something to do with intellectual property afaik. If you take somebody's code 1/1 then you can be sued if it's licensed properly. However, lets be honest. 99% of people won't bother to go to court over this.

[silver cloak]

I am going to get educated on this matter

[karmic bane]

Code is intellectual property. The assets distributed with your mod are intellectual property. Copyright laws apply.

That's not a discussion, this has been the case for oh so many centuries in so so many court lawsuits already

[silver cloak]

You are right

I should rephrase, you can't copyright someone for using the exact same api usage BUT you can copyright someone if they cloned your code and did stuff with it

[wispy anchor]

The code needs to have "substantial changes" I believe. So, you could take somebody elses code, but then make it work substantially differently and then the license doesn't apply

It's a big grey area lmao

[silver cloak]

Yep

[karmic bane]

Depends, you can't derive without permission at all, with a big enough difference you can just pretend to never have derived.

[silver cloak]

Huge gray area, ASSUMING you can even get your hands on the other code

[karmic bane]

But if those dear police officers collect your PC for investigation and find a happy dear discord message to your friend saying "yooooo I stole the code from XYZ mod and am going to just change it up a bit" nahh thats tuff

[silver cloak]

I am about to sue an anonymous guy in a different continent. 100 dollars are enough... right?

[wispy anchor]

I would presume (hypothetically) that the models and model animations etc will be streamed to the client, similar to how resource packs work. Meaning you could take those models.

However any sort of logic will be server sided, so shouldn't be streamed to the client

[silver cloak]

I am strictly talking about code. IF the assets look simular to yours then you can copyright them

If they use your assets thats an instant takedown

[steep lion]

open source your mods. if someone modifies your code just enough to get away with licensing then that's unethical and they will eventually get caught and lose reputation in the community

[silver cloak]

Yep. Realistically we just report the server and be done with it

Hey hytale, this server stole my idea + builds and is now monetizing. Could you do something?

[karmic bane]

But open sourcing means people see my crap code 🥺

[steep lion]

TRUE

[wispy anchor]

GOOD LORD THE HORROR

[steep lion]

people can copy and steal your code but copying the community is difficult

so focus on building a good community for your server

[wispy anchor]

Quality over quantity

[karmic bane]

I am planning to do something but copyright law hinders me from doing it public :( so sad I can't make a server out of it

and no way I am getting a permission from that studio lmao

[wispy anchor]

Maybe do a spin off of the assets?

Unless its nintendo. Steer clear of them lmaooo

[karmic bane]

Nahhh I specifically want to create smth in that exact universe

And I will, I just have to do it privately, distribution is a no no

[wispy anchor]

Depends what Hytale's policy is on this tbh; Have they announced anything in this regard?

For instance, Gmod allowed pretty much everything, but then all of a sudden got slapped with a DMCA takedown to remove all nintendo assets from the workshop

[karmic bane]

Yes the EULA states "Mods must respect third-party intellectual property. If you include third-party content in your Mods, you are solely responsible for obtaining permissions or complying with applicable open-source or proprietary licenses regarding such third-party content." but even if it didn't, I am not scared about Hytale taking down my mod, I am scared about that studio sueing me lmao

[wispy anchor]

Thanks for this! Good to know! 🙂

[karmic bane]

I will eventually email them asking for permission, but chances for that succeeding are way below 0.1% lmao

since I am a pRiVaTe InDiViDuAl

[wispy anchor]

Judging from your profile, I'm going to presume it's Nintendo, of which, good luck lmao

[karmic bane]

nahh actually not lmao

it's Shueisha/ShoPro

[silver cloak]

Unfortunately you can't use other people's trademarks

The chances of you getting caught is super low though

[karmic bane]

Is it? just needs one tattletale in the community emailing the trademark owner and ig thats it

[silver cloak]

You need permission yeah

I've done my research thoroughly on this matter but I will get back to you

I am curious if there are work arounds

Say you CAN use a trademark but can't monetize it, I need to research this

[marsh edge]

I find it rather difficult to think that a studio would come after you in a legal way, if you are an independent developer. The obvious thing would be for them to reach you and ask you to take down the copyrighted content, and only if you don't, then they could proceed with a lawsuit.. What money can they hope to get from a lone dev? Come on.

[summer otter]

From what I know for a lawsuit you often need to file a cease and desist order first before they can bring you to court. But they can make you go bankrupt, or pay part of your future income

there are ofcourse edge cases

[marsh edge]

How about the second option? What do you mean 🤣

[summer otter]

Basically all income you earn until a certain point gets partially forwarded to the trademark owner

like 10% of all your income

[marsh edge]

Oh ok, didn't know that could be an option.

[karmic bane]

Idk it's the same as when you ahem "download games ignoring the cost", studios do indeed reach out to individuals and send them settlement agreements and cease and desists with money claims

or rather they commission other companies and lawyers to do the legal step for them

[wispy anchor]

We've got to remember, it also costs the studios money in legal fees to action things. As Reborn stated, the potential of this happening on independent developers is very low

[silver cloak]

Yeah, usually it's just a notice

[summer otter]

true but the loser needs to pay those as well atleast in my country

so better not risk it to much

[marsh edge]

In almost all countries, AFAIK

[wispy anchor]

Same here. They need to pay the "court fees".

At this point, it's more of an ethical thing. If you straight up rip pokemon as an example, people are just going to give you flack if you try claim it as your own / monetize it

[karmic bane]

I just received a cease and desist for 500€ and settlement agreement a few months ago for a copyright incident I don't want to further disclose, those things are daily business for studios imo

And those 500€ are a dream in comparison to what I was liable for if I planned to go to court with it

[marsh edge]

Really? Damn. And for 500 euros, legal fees would cost much more than that.

[wispy anchor]

Ah yes. "500 euros for potential damages" scenario lmao

[karmic bane]

Well if you already receive such a notice (especially if it also names what content exactly it is about) you can almost definitely be sure they also have definitive proof about it, so no way I am going to court in an attempt to battle it

[silver cloak]

I wish I could use some trademarks though 😭

I want to make a rp server so bad

[karmic bane]

Well you can always ask for permission. Asking doesn't cost 🤷🏼‍♂️ even if you get a no

[wispy anchor]

Do what people in FiveM do.

Just create "lore friendly" assets

[silver cloak]

Yeah you can just rename things, the vibe stays the same.

[silver cloak]

Warner Bros for sure will give me permission

[karmic bane]

Yeah it would actually be interesting to know which countries' laws apply to Hytale content. Is it the country of the mod author or always Canada? 'Cuz I would want to make use of the fair dealing laws, Germany doesn't have those

[karmic bane]

Better ask than guess idk xD

[silver cloak]

I guess I will. You never know

[karmic bane]

I will too. I mean it did happen before that individuals got permission from studios, even if just on a limited scope

[silver cloak]

At the end of the day, you have nothing to worry about if it's a small fan project

[karmic bane]

But if you have a 10000+ user server with monetization, thats more than just a fan project

[silver cloak]

A harry potter server got a noticed and they changed everything. I think it was racking 300k a year

[karmic bane]

with monetization in general, companies gain a bigger interest to enforce their copyright

I wouldn't want people making money off of literally my own work without permission too

[silver cloak]

Ofc...

There are always workarounds

Like it makes sense to get copyrighted immediately if you sell trademarked assets. But hosting an rp server with a closed community has little to no risk

[silver cloak]

Selling trade marked assets on the web*

[karmic bane]

True, maybe I will make my server invite only or so, atleast to show to friends and so on

[silver cloak]

Because search engines can pick up your site and imagine seeing a "Hytale Pokemon Server". A simple "we are not affiliated" doesn't help at all

[polar harbor]

How make Plugins for this

[west elk]

It's similar to Minecraft plugins. You load the server .jar into your project, extend the JavaPlugin class, and register/override event handlers ^^

Check the message after this one for an example

[patent oyster]

Is there already a server binary released somewhere?

[wispy anchor]

No, not yet. The primary server.jar is releasing on game release

[patent oyster]

Sad

[lost moon]

Any server-side modding docs being released beforehand or? Or just any technical information or specifications

[west elk]

No, unfortunately not. If they release documentation before the game, that would invite a lot of additional technical questions that they're just not equipped to deal with when they need to be focused on getting the game ready for release. So everything will come out together

[lost moon]

Yeah that make sense, was worth a try 😄

[worldly talon]

Are there already server files?

[wispy anchor]

No, the server.jar is being released on release of the game

[low furnace]

Maybe an admin can pin a message that the server.jar + doc will be public on / after the release? 😅

[scarlet spoke]

Not worth the effort for 5 days

[steady wolf]

does booster get perms to change nickname on the discord server?

[scarlet spoke]

I have server specific username ye

[steady wolf]

K, thanks, wanted to know since I plan on using my ingame nickname here

but I lack the perms

[tired tundra]

Hm are there any info's if there will be a wikki or some documentation for the modders on release?

[wispy anchor]

iirc it's been mentioned that documentation will be available, but extremely limited. Hence them leaving the server.jar unobfuscated, so you can decompile and figure out how things work (arguably better than docs lol)

[lost moon]

Will be curious to see what sort of bigger mods people will work on first (outside of basic assets and minor tweaks)

[west elk]

The community will do some guides and examples. hytalemodding.dev is the main hub for this I know of

[tired tundra]

Ah thanks, yeah that works too i guess

[wispy anchor]

W Resource, didn't know this existed. Do we know who maintains this?

[west elk]

@gusty aspen does

but it's a community effort

[gusty aspen]

👋, its a community effort but I lead the project

[wispy anchor]

Great work!

[gusty aspen]

thank you! if you wanna ask questions you can join our discord

[wispy anchor]

Hopped on in now! Thanks!

[tired scarab]

Someone said there will be mac support from day 1, where was this announced?

[steady wolf]

Dunno if there is newer info, but the last one I know says this (3rd Dec 2025 blog post):

Is there a console version of Hytale?

No, the early access of Hytale will only be on PC (MAC and Linux still TBD).

[scarlet spoke]

(MAC and Linux still TBD)

Scratch that

[west elk]

It was announced on twitter /DevSlashNulled/status/2007857668963074382

[tired scarab]

thanks

[gentle fjord]

Been looking but don't see it mentioned, is the ea release going to support private servers? is there a server module?

[west elk]

Yes, the dedicated server is a .jar file like in Minecraft. and it will be available for self-hosting when the game releases on Jan 13th

[gentle fjord]

thank you Dani!!!

[plush seal]

is there a thread on this channel or somewhere else where i can find more information about modding or making server plugins for hytale?

[leaden mango]

is it known how close the plugin dev. will be compared to for example spigot or bungee

[midnight orbit]

Easier

Technically ;p

[leaden mango]

in what way "easier" i mean i don't like fabric/forge dev but i love spigot dev

[midnight orbit]

One guy here had experience with these plugins and said that it looks easier than with bukkit

[leaden mango]

we will see next week

[midnight orbit]

He said that he don’t have too much experience with plugins but looks easier to understand some things

[karmic crag]

Hi! there is any discord / forum to support / help with servers creation and administration?

[midnight orbit]

At this moment server creation dont exist so no

[leaden mango]

i actually hope we will have some kind of IDE extensions like the "MInecraft Development" for Jetbrains IDEs that would be awesome and if there will be no offical ones there will be probaly community ones

[midnight orbit]

At this moment we have to let community grow calmly

[leaden mango]

i'm actually kinda sad that Hytale has only Blueprints for Client mods if my understanding is right

i mean sure Lua for example would not be an good as simon already said but idk C# (bc. the game is in C#) or event Java mods would be awesome for devs.

[clever frost]

C# is very similar to java so if you know java you'll be theoretically fine using C#

I think I misread your message, I agree client mods in C# would be cool

[west elk]

No, everything is a server mod. The Blueprint-style scripting may support some stuff that's evaluated locally on the client, but in the end, the server is always the source of truth and responsible for everything.

[leaden mango]

ik i'm a C# and Java dev xD

C#, Java, TS & Go to be more specific

[hazy lava]

does the server have some java api for modifying the client?

how will client mods work if everything is on the server

[austere girder]

There are no client mods.

[west elk]

Depends on what you mean by "modifying the client".
Everything is data-driven, so adding new blocks, mobs, and animations are simply assets that the server sends to the client on connection.
They also confirmed that the same will work with movement mechanics (client prediction) and shaders in the future

[austere girder]

This has been long established in almost all of their blog posts. Mods will be server side, it just so happens to be that in singleplayer mode, it uses a server for that too, so it will FEEL like client mods in singleplayer.

[hazy lava]

yeah i meant how would you modify client features

[hazy lava]

oh i see alr

[austere girder]

You modify the server code, and it sends it to the client, as Dani has said.

[hazy lava]

yes, which is what i asked originally

[west elk]

Yeah they're really going all-in on the apis that allow you to do everything you might want to do from the server side. If you notice you want to do something that's not possible, they are looking for feedback on those use-cases to see if they can implement something to support it in the future! 💪

[warm viper]

Finally, minecraft pain resolved

[remote chasm]

do we have access to any sort of documentation?

[west elk]

For sure, that's what I'm most exited about as well!
Being able to show custom interfaces without having to abuse chest guis
Being able to listen to keybinds without having to abuse the drop and offhand key
Being able to add new blocks without having to abuse noteblock states
🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[west elk]

No, the most we have is the modding strategy blog post and a sprinkle of tweets and discord messages.

[remote chasm]

ty

[warm viper]

Also what can be inferred, no need for your community to struggle downloading a bunch of jars to setup for joining the server (eg. MC modded servers). Simpler process -> bigger audience

[hazy lava]

no more skript for easy to add features 🥹

[west elk]

Yeah that's their main goal with not offering users the option to play an old build of the game. Everyone will use the same version to connect to servers

[warm viper]

It is also a protective mechanism for hacking etc, since the client source code is always guaranteed, when joining the server you can check the hash data and detect any additional data and block access

[sacred tulip]

A bigger Audience is not always a better audience

A smaller committed community usually has more value than a large uncommitted one

[west elk]

Nobody said anything opposite of that ^^

[warm viper]

Guys coming from an MC background (heavy one), I am wondering regarding the effort migrating my (massive) mod into Hytale.
I split it into 3 main categories:

1. Coding (I don't give a damn even if it is something completely new. I adapt easily)
2. Modeling (thanks to the blockbench plugin they added perhaps it is gonna save a lot of time to adjust)
3. Building (still exploring)

Regarding 3. Building does anyone here know if it is possible to migrate Minecraft schematics to Hytale? In fact I am not sure if it always worthy, just had a look at the building tools they support and they are awesome comparing to worldedit. But many times that legacy to the minecraft schematics seems tough to be left behind. So I am really wondering if schematics from Minecraft can be migrated to Hytale

[hazy lava]

rewrite the mod

also converting schematics should be pretty easy

[west elk]

I am certain that converting minecraft schematics to hytale prefabs will be a very common use caset that will have a community-built solution relatively quickly. Just be aware that the result will be very "minecraft-looking" since hytale builds will use much more details like roofs and stuff

[plain jacinth]

Hello, friends! I would like to ask if there are already posts or documentation available on creating plugins/mods. I would like to start working on that as soon as possible and would like to find out more!

[warm viper]

Rewritting was always a thing even inside minecraft itself (forge vs fabric etc). So I believe many of us are already a bit familiarized with such effort. Of course it is not the same and will require more time but it is the least I worry comparing to assets

[warm viper]

It's ok, it is planned to be upgrated after a few iteration. The goal initially is to not loose the existing work

[silver lynx]

as long as you can read the data of the schematic in minecraft, and convert it ot he format that hytale or a hytale tool wants, there should not much issue. consdering that nbt and now snbt are rather extremely easy to read, if we know the schematic layout of a hytale structure ...

[west elk]

Nope, the best we have is the modding strategy blog post and a few sporadic twitter and discord messages for now. They don't want to release the documentation early because that would invite a bunch of technical questions that they don't have the capacity to answer right now since they need to focus on getting the game ready for launch.

[warm viper]

yeah I was considering the same, it is just a transformation (which maybe even Hytale itself could support if requested a lot)

[silver lynx]

i'm thinking it's going to be easy to do, both game types are based on the voxel

[west elk]

Check the message after this one for an example mod Slikey shared last month 👆

[hazy lava]

oh assets, my fault, you should be able to convert assets quite easily using a tool either by making a converter, waiting for a community project, or something from the team

[rose atlas]

yall seen the plugins and mods people making

[fervent lava]

Got a suite of plugins I'm going to be porting over 💪🏻

[low furnace]

Do you design your mods with clean architecture? If so you have the least effort to migrate to other platforms

[silver lynx]

imagine using spaghetti code in java.

[sly talon]

how does one get started writing mods for Hytale right now? except owning a time machine?

[silver lynx]

that's what I'm waiting on, it's being said for the last 3 days, no documentation on it is released yet, because they have better things to do than answer our questions about why our misunderstanding of the api isn't working.

[west elk]

Owning a time machine to the past, becoming a well known creator in the minecraft modding scene and getting reached out to for pre-launch feedback :(

[silver lynx]

it's going to be nice not having code for multiple loaders.

[low furnace]

@silver lynx Well 😅 most Minecraft mods are spaghetti code

[stray bane]

Hopefuly on day one someone releases a standardized energy API for mods to use. I see a few post here and there about people creating tech mods.

(reposted due to unrelated reply lol)

[marsh edge]

I am the one working on it, actually 🙂

[west elk]

Many of the mod creators are working together on it

[warm viper]

yeah, fully clean and portable. I isolate forge/fabric specific logic (infra) and the domain etc

[marsh edge]

And I can assure you, I am trying hard to get the modders to use it as much as possible, but as anticipated, everyone began writing their own internal system for energy

[stray bane]

We dont need RF, EU, etc, etc situation again lol. dont want to install three seperate mods to convert all the energy sources.

[rich solar]

me sitting and creating core foundations for private mods yeah guys a standardized api for mods to use is great. I will also totally be using those with you

[marsh edge]

That's exactly what I am pumping all my effort in, trying to get everyone to agree on a common basis

[marsh edge]

Uhm, didn't quite understand, care to elaborate? Sorry 🤣

[rich solar]

Its a joke line. Cause Im not making/using public mods for the most part haha

[marsh edge]

It won't be a plugin, actually (or at least, that's the plan) 🙂 just pure java API that you can use by implementing it via maven

[stray bane]

What is the naming you are thinking of? I think UE (Unified Energy) would be dope.

[fleet isle]

Where is the xkcd for unified standards? "There are now 15 standards"

[marsh edge]

The name predates even my arrival on the scene. I actually received the baton from MaeMachineBroke, who started working on the energy API. The unit of measure will be Hy/t (aka Hyperion)

[steady wolf]

If I understood correctly, then servers will make you download the necessary addons to play on join?

[silver lynx]

from my perspective in order to a make an api the goto standard you're going to have also release the mod that uses it that also becomes standard for the goto mod that server owners install above all simply because it contains the tech everyone wants. If all you do is release an api hoping others will glom on to, you've got a steep uphill battle to wage war with.

basically you're going to have release something mimics all the industrial craft machines

[stray bane]

I do have a question that might've been mentioned before but how will hytale prevent desync of assets and mods since they are techically server sided? does the client download them like FiveM and GMOD then run them locally or will there be a big issue?

[silver lynx]

or thermal series machines

[fleet isle]

Often what happens that an api isn't sufficient enough because it's missing a lot of features. The only way to find what features are missing is to build a mod that uses that api

[rich solar]

The only way I would see a pre-created energy system would be if Hytale built one that modders would attach too. Otherwise, its an uphill battle for any mod to use a "unified" energy system

[silver lynx]

from the tech mod perspective tho, if you can make a hytle version of Create Mod that uses your API. I think you will win.

[stray bane]

Or if the API that the modder creates is super duper easy and would make more sense to use.

[marsh edge]

I totally understand Kree, but honestly, a non-plugin API could be the kind of common ground that everyone agrees on. You mentioned a war, I would like to counter saying that, it has to be a community effort. The community does not want to come together for a unified system? I step aside. I can't force them, even if I make a plugin out of it

[rich solar]

I think porting mods from minecraft is an unhealthy plan.

[west elk]

Yes, when you join a server, you automatically download all necessary assets (models, textures, sounds, etc). Like Gmod

[marsh edge]

That's my entire point, I don't care about winning. I am super partes, I never intended, nor will ever intend to partake in these wars 🙂 I am an observer, striving for a better future of energy plugins

[steady wolf]

That is going to happen, I just hope people make flavor adjustments to make it make sense in the hytale universe and not just copy and paste

[warm viper]

I think porting mods from minecraft and polishing them later is a healthy plan

[silver lynx]

the war isn't you pushing it to the devs, the war is you fighting the common consensus. So making a killer mod that uses that api, and naturally making tutorials explaining how you did it, that's how you fight that war. Also, do shoot for perfection on that mod, just get out there and make adjustments as you go. if go for perfection, someone will beat you to the finish line on both counts.

[marsh edge]

You go ahead and do it then, the API is LGPL v3 🙂

I'll just be happy to have contributed

[stray bane]

NGL a heavily create inspried mod (wouldnt say direct port) would go extremely well with the Hytale assets and play style.

[steady wolf]

Using client mods will also be possible over it a.k.a like minecraft has ui mods/shaders/textures?

[rich solar]

To a degree yes!

[west elk]

Nope, no client mods will be supported

[silver lynx]

i'm waiting for the official docs. and I don't intend to do any tech mods. but I'm very familiar with minecraft mods and modding. i know what I look for when building packs. I'm speaking from the point of view. Everything I say is a suggestion. for me it's all six seven anyway.

[west elk]

You can install sever mods in single player though

[silver lynx]

until the 13th which six and seven summed, hmmm.

[rich solar]

Thats the big thing. A lot of people are talking about 1:1 ports. If the OG mod creator ports it 1:1 that is one thing. But a lot are just wanting to have it in hytale. But like go play minecraft for the minecraft mods. Hytale should have its own flavor.

[silver lynx]

I'm curious if certain hostiles burn in the sun

[stray bane]

I dont know what it is but the magic/spiritual lore of hytale and a "basic" rotational energy mod just seems like a perfect match! Not to much automation but just enough.

[warm viper]

So custom UI is not supported?

[steady wolf]

Hmmm, kinda sucks then, can't use QoL mods that I personally like in servers that doesn't already download them on join

[silver lynx]

just provide the basics with easy interchangeability, and the player will amaze you.

i Love that simplicity about Create Mod.

[rich solar]

I dont disagree. I plan to create my own version of modded skyblock that I want to have with factories in mind. But more like satisfactory/factorio. So create would be a ideal way of handling it. But more fitting into hytales style is gonna be a goal.

[faint fable]

oh hey kree!

[stray bane]

Create has sooo many possabilities just with the basic blocks, i've created WAYYY to many things.

[silver lynx]

I saw that latest video about v2 world gen and some of it was about things in a void. and all i could think was "skyblock" and I did the Napolean Dynamite fist pump with the knew pump!

[stray bane]

Ouuu, that is interesting could be called cough cough skyfactories 😄

[silver lynx]

Sup friendo! 🙂

[stray bane]

I know the first thing I am going to implement into Hytale is a NPC system that uses a local OLLAMA server with a text model to create dynmatic storyline just for shiz and giggles.

Always wanted to do it in minecraft but hytale has more of that RPG feel and wouldnt stray too far from the base game.

[rich solar]

Haha funny funny. Most likely going to be something related to void in the name but havent fully decided. Waiting for hytale to be playable so I can learn how I want to concept it.

[rich solar]

Yeah. 6/7yrs ago my instant thought was skyblock and a few other "server" modes that I want to have a full network with. Just a lot of work for 1 person to do.

[rich solar]

GL on that. Hope to see it works well in the future

[warm viper]

For UI I suggest HTML templates sent from server to client

[rich solar]

Or wait until Noesis is fully implamented down the road lol

[stray bane]

This is what i've been messing with, the quest log is what will generate the quest and the objective. Need to figure out the actual system but cant do that till the game is released 😛

User:

NPC Name: Kaelen | Race: Human | Location: Valleyside Village, Zone 1 | Current Town Status: Scared (Trork patrols nearby) | Player Reputation: Neutral

AI:

[Dialogue]:
(Kaelen pulls you behind a stack of freshly hewn timber, his eyes darting toward the dense treeline of the Emerald Grove. He speaks in a harsh, hurried whisper, his hands trembling slightly as they grip a rusted iron hatchet.)

"Keep your head down, stranger! Unless you want a Trork javelin through your gullet, you’ll stop standing out in the open like a prize Moa. They’ve been prowling the ridge since sundown yesterday. I can smell their foul campfires—burnt meat and wet fur—drifting right over the village walls.

The Elder says we’re safe behind the palisade, but I’ve seen what those brutes do to timber. If they bring one of those armored Rams, Valleyside is as good as kindling. You look like you’ve traveled the Wilds... tell me, did you see their banners on your way in? Are they just a raiding party, or is this a full war-band?"

[Quest Log]:

• Title: Shadows in the Undergrowth
• Objective: Scout the Trork encampment to the north of Valleyside. Thwart their advance by defeating 5 Trork Sentries and recovering a Trork Command Map from their leader's hut.
• Reward: 20 Silver Coins, 1x Polished Malachite (Crafting Material), and a Valleyside Scout’s Cloak (Slightly increases stealth in forest biomes).
• The Secret: While scouting, look for a discarded Kweebec seed-pouch near the camp. It seems some of our leafy neighbors were taken prisoner rather than being chased off.

[Internal Monologue]:
(This one looks capable enough, but are they brave or just foolish? If they get themselves killed, the Trorks will only be more emboldened. I hate sending a neutral party to do our dirty work, but our own guards are too terrified to leave the gate. If this traveler finds that map, maybe I can convince the others to evacuate to the Great Tree before the first torch is thrown. I just hope Gaia is watching over the grove today... we're going to need more than luck.)

[steady wolf]

Someone will probably make some client modification to make the client load mods on servers that aren't on that server mod list anyways

[silver cloak]

Basically the client listens to the "backend" server and translates. You want to change the ui? It's a plugin so go ahead and modify it

[rich solar]

Ooh interesting. Do you plan on having strict restrictions on it? Or just like let it rip and have it modeled with the story plan?

[clear crow]

Alright. I'm locked in. Just give me the server.jar and I can start making my mod. 😀

[stray bane]

I dont plan on having many restrictions the only thing that will restrict is possibly using prefabs but the quests will be "A specific task (Fetch, Kill, Scout, Build, or Deliver)."

• Fetch can be getting an item from a town, dungeon, campment or etc
• Kill (same as above)
• Scout (using maps, spotting a boss or spotting X amount of enemies in an area)
• Building something in the town, expanding their business or etc
• Deliver moving things from town to town or specific areas

I mean the possibilities are endless, the NPC could see where you've been and force you to go to a new zone or biome.

[rich solar]

A POI tracker would be interesting. Could also do other tracking that the AI can infer from to give harder/different quests too.

event based changes. Like a POI was destoryed by the player/village was killed off...etc. and then use it to give a more darker quest

[stray bane]

Yep and a rep system could be created, if the player kills passive NPCs such as Kweebecs could force NPCs to not want to do business with the player and would make them more hostile towards that player and they could be friendly with enemy encampments.

[rich solar]

assassin/stealth mechanics to hide kill stats to be percieved as good natured haha

[stray bane]

Hoods or masks.

Like assassin creed type robes

Whatever I create will be open sourced, I believe in complete open source.

[silver lynx]

you don't have restrictions now, but wait for Henry from MxrPlays gets a hold of it ...

[stray bane]

The prompt itself puts in restrictions.

7. Constraints

• Do not break character.
• Do not mention real-world technology or other games (Minecraft, etc.).
• If the user asks for something "out of world," respond as if they are speaking gibberish or are "Void-touched."

[silver lynx]

is the user Henry, if so, ignore his skyrim madness.

[stray bane]

If user mentions arrows then say “I was once a traveler, till I took an arrow to the knee”

[delicate quest]

Hi everyone, i am interested in your opinions, which hytale server listing website could be the most viable? i have seen a bunch of them, but most of it seems like vibecoded partially functioning half work

[upbeat storm]

I don't think any of them look that interesting honestly lol

I would just shotgun whichever ones are highest on Google

[sharp lake]

probably should not use an instruct finetune for this lol

[stray bane]

Long term probably but short term will be system instructions. The mod will allow the modal to be interchanged and even use APi from any providers that allow OpenAI api standard

[sharp lake]

yeah okay fair enough

[stray bane]

Would be sweet to fine tune a system with the Lore of Hytale directly

[sharp lake]

that'll be pretty cool
i might work on something similar, though more focused on 3b models or something like that

[rich solar]

Macaw's day 1 mod is nice to see

[sharp lake]

oh? was there something said on twitter

[west elk]

@sketch_macaw

[silver lynx]

I found at some devs were invited to a early version prior to release, they are lmited in what they can share under a heavy nda and have to get their videos approved from hytale before posting. so looks like we're going to start out mods available. also, they are not working from any documentation, they're winging it, my guy says. which means ... jar decompilation.

[sharp lake]

we already know we'll have to do jar decompilation to start
it's just completely unobfuscated so it's fine

[vernal niche]

Wanna know what I had to do to decompile the JAR?

[west elk]

Ctrl+Left click? ^^

[vernal niche]

[rich solar]

youtube(.)com/watch?v=SbLyMFAabPY&t=1s

is his video preview

[stray bane]

I love this.

Looks like it flows VERY well

All the placing and interacting looks almost completely native.

[coarse frost]

how do you guys start making plugins already when we have no information at all about apis etc

there’s only so much abstraction one can do without clutter

[near raptor]

I am not sure if many people are already making plugins. Some people have early access and are making mods, sure, but the vast majority either is just preparing infrastructure, cooking up ideas, or making generic non-Hytale-tied stuff in preparation.

[latent spindle]

Guys im just seeing mods where can we get server plugins

[near raptor]

You cannot get server plugins yet, the game has not yet released

[latent spindle]

I see

[stray bane]

Decompiling the jar

[stray bane]

From prayers and hopes

[remote chasm]

Does anyone already have a "server network" plan?
One HUB, multiple small servers with server-plugins (gamemodes)

[stray bane]

Yes, people have discussed the way to do it

[west elk]

And send players between them using transfer packets

[stray bane]

Going to be interesting to see it

[latent spindle]

We need like a website just for server plugins

[near raptor]

CurseForge will probably be the place

[vernal niche]

[stray bane]

I am going to make HyRanks on day one

You gotta smoke something to get a rank 😉

[latent spindle]

HyCrates

[stray bane]

LMAO

HyBlocks (Skyblock)

[stray bane]

Andre we are cooking up ideas for you 😄

[near raptor]

There's a lot of pixels in this game, so I am thinking of HyPixel

[stray bane]

HyCraft (make minecraft playable in hytale)

[near raptor]

Cursed

[latent spindle]

Tebex plugin

[silver lynx]

HyWay

[stray bane]

Have you ever watched the guy run steamos in minecraft on his steamdeck?

[near raptor]

MineTale, to add Hytale to Minecraft. Now there's an interesting one.

[latent spindle]

HyLifesteal

[stray bane]

Give it a matter of time and someone will make Hytale work on minecraft LMAO

[latent spindle]

HyPrison

[stray bane]

Imagine how cursed it will be to play a minecraft server on hytale LOL

[near raptor]

It would be impossible because Minecraft does not support vertical slabs

[stray bane]

Watch minecraft bedrock edition will allow vertical slabs as a DLC

Java will get it for free

[near raptor]

Vertical slabs on the Marketplace

[stray bane]

Honestly if datapack werent datapacks the way that minecraft wants you to mod would be amazing.

[near raptor]

I think that Minecraft's approach to Behaviour Packs / Data Packs for Bedrock is a good example of why Hytale doesn't have its own scripting language: in the end you are learning a new language that only works in Minecraft Bedrock and isn't very practical outside of it. So why bother, if you can have the full power of a proper language instead. And well, everything is JSON in Behaviour Packs and JSON isn't a programming language. It's a way to structure data.

[stray bane]

I mean people complain that LUA isnt the best language but IMO it is perfect for game scripting needs and fits it perfectly.

It is a VERY easy language to learn and works very well when you fully understand it.

I started creating LUA scripts on FiveM in like 2016.

The things that people are creating in FiveM today using the LuA language is amazing.

[near raptor]

Well, Lua is a language I guess. I was very afraid when Hytale ditched the "legacy" engine that they were going in a Bedrock route with JSON everything

[stray bane]

Lua is WAYY better then json

Espcically for modding/scripting

[remote chasm]

wait what language will it be then?

[stray bane]

Correct me if wrong, recommended way is visual scripting but java can be done if you decompile the server jar

[near raptor]

For plugins, it will be Java

[remote chasm]

are there leaked images/videos on the visual part?

[near raptor]

"leaked"? They got blog posts on their own website showing it.

[remote chasm]

let me see

[stray bane]

Under the modding showcase blog post

[near raptor]

There is also the recent blogpost of world generation where they show some videos with the node editor

[stray bane]

V2 looks fire

[remote chasm]

i saw the world generation but i thought it is it's own thing

[stray bane]

Basically the same thing.

[remote chasm]

i see thanks

[stray bane]

Like unity (drop and drag)

[sterile venture]

no. no it is not xD sorry

[remote chasm]

i mean you can do pretty neat stuff with a tool like that

[stray bane]

Must be a bedrock dev

[remote chasm]

almost anything no?

[near raptor]

It's comparing apples and oranges. Lua is a programming language, JSON is a data format.

[sterile venture]

nope cause bedrock is terrible lol

[warm viper]

Java, Lua or C# finally?

[west elk]

and we will be able to use Java plugins to create custom visual nodes 🔥

[sterile venture]

exactly. but lua is terrible

[near raptor]

Java

[remote chasm]

WAIT custom nodes ?!?!?!?!

then ill be using visual scripting 100% xD

[stray bane]

LuA is not terrible, really good language. VERY easy to learn and has real use cases other then a game.

[sterile venture]

maybe just havent seen a place where its good idk

[west elk]

Yeah not at launch, but it's something they have on their roadmap for visual scripting

[gentle fjord]

is there a doc available that outlines how to do a dedicated server?

[west elk]

A blog post on that will be released soon. But it's basically just java -jar HytaleServer.jar

[stray bane]

Fits perfectly in games that expose APIs and a good language that isolates from the main languages (C#, Java, ETC)

[stray bane]

Wheres all the args? we need GC and MEM args

[sterile venture]

yeah maybe but tbh id rather just see a json api or any other language

[near raptor]

Heck no, JSON is super limited

[west elk]

Aikar my beloved

[sterile venture]

how so?

[stray bane]

I love having to remember like 100 args just to optimize GC

[near raptor]

Because it's a data format, not a programming language. Try defining a variable in JSON

[sterile venture]

oh you mean for like programming API sorry. I meant more like RESt api, 100% agree there

[warm viper]

visual nodes?? Like blueprints in unreal or I'm tripping?

[remote chasm]

{"a": 1} easy XD

[near raptor]

I've never seen a REST API return executable Lua

[west elk]

Correct, yes! There is a sneak peak in the world gen videos from the latest blog!

[warm viper]

I really wonder how they AI system will be in such mode

[west elk]

Yeah this is what I'm excited for too. Visual node editor is the perfect ui for AI/behavior editing

[stray bane]

There is ways, fivem uses it all the time.

[fresh fable]

Is there currently no ready-made server core available for download?

[west elk]

Correct. Will be available with the rest of the game on the 13th

[near raptor]

The game hasn't released yet people :p

[warm viper]

can't get more abstraction after that, this is cool

[stray bane]

We need the sticky bot in this specific channel.

"Server no release till game release, no more questions"

Honestly would be based if they released the jar a couple hours eariler to get the server owners ready.

Cant wait for the day one SMP videos on youtube lol

[warm viper]

Back to the UI what is said about Noesis? I heard it will support custom UIs

[west elk]

They currently have a mixpot of 3 different UI systems in the game and are in the process of moving everything over to Noesis

[warm viper]

Did they say anything about how much it will take to transfer?

[stray bane]

Noesis looks great, looks like alot of game studios use it.

[west elk]

Only that it's a work in progress that will carry on well after Jan 13th. Game-breaking bugs and crashes are currently prioritized over UI refactoring ^^

[warm viper]

makes sense

Ok I don't think there's much left about migrating my 200k lines of code MC mod to Hytale

[stray bane]

I wonder if Hytale will pull a minecraft and hire mod devs and possibly incorperate their mods if it fits the game well.

[steady wolf]

depends on the game future after launch

[warm viper]

I believe modders themselves may do it even without hire. Minecraft itself unfortunately has many issues, for me personally poor performance, hard debugging, EULA issues etc

[raw mesa]

-# Lua is fine for shorter scripts, but over a hundred lines and it's a death sentence for readability. Genuinely makes my eyes glaze over.

[clear crow]

wtb server.jar

[west elk]

We will be able to contribute to the GitHub once they put the server source code on there

[warm viper]

Going open source

[clear crow]

My body is ready.

[steady wolf]

-# Looks at my 1000+ line lua script for elite dangerous

[west elk]

head -c 100K /dev/urandom > HytaleServer.jar

[raw mesa]

I'd rather go back into the embedded C mines than touch that with a ten foot pole

[stray bane]

I've worked in codebases with 10000+ lines and really doesnt bother me. Were the scripts written by you or downloaded from the internet?

[steady wolf]

only works because it is used in another app and is basically a list of functions, so there is no connection between stuff

[raw mesa]

Honestly, both. I don't work in lua unless necessary, but the professional/semi-proffessional stuff I've seen didn't fare much better. Might be because I'm so used to C family languages that it just doesn't work well with my brain

[stray bane]

The language is super different to C so I see the point.

The way that lua is laid out kinda reminds me of rust. (Event:Trigger)

[raw mesa]

-# I need my syntax to have ; and {} or I will cry

[stray bane]

Ill write a wrapper just for you 😉

[raw mesa]

I think I'll just stick to the worse C# java if I can

[stray bane]

I would say Java or C would be perfect for server plugins as that typically requires low level languages and for something like mods or simple things LuA would be perfect, I think there is a nice split and areas for both languages. Using LuA for years in FiveM and GMOD I think it fits perfectly (I did try C# in FiveM and completely hated it as it required constant recompile of the code for testing)

LuA worked great for the live testing and constant tweaking.

But this is just my opinion, coming from game modding that exposes LuA as the main stream scripting language it works great for a isolated language to allow modding.

[warm viper]

But do you really want "just modding"? What if you want to use Hytale as a game engine almost to build your entire lore and story and sub-game behind it?

[stray bane]

That is where C or Java would come in perfectly as I meant to say simple mods or simple plugins then LuA would work great.

[warm viper]

So a hybrid solution yes, would be great but that doubles the effort to hypixel team

[stray bane]

Correct which is why they want to support visual scripting offically.

[warm viper]

I've also worked with lua. Even on complex game dev (eg. Roblox)

It's still decent if not performance issues

[stray bane]

Requires optimization and proper wait and call triggers.

That is why C is better, kinda fixes those oopies

But LuA for a general scripting language that is embedded into a game is better just due to the high level nature and isolalation. (IE roblox, fivem and gmod)

[warm viper]

But with C you have to mess up with manual memory allocation which can become a headache fast

[stray bane]

Screw it

We all should just use rust

[raw mesa]

C# and C++ to a degree handle that for you

Using pure C in 2026 for gamedev is crazy work

[stray bane]

Actually did you see there is a guy in minecraft creating the minecraft server from scratch in rust and has made crazy progress and has a series on youtube about it?

[warm viper]

C++ not really, you still need to free space

[warm viper]

I did the same in Go though

[stray bane]

Send project

[raw mesa]

Yeah, but compared to base C, it's night and day.

[stray bane]

We could just use javascript only 😉

[raw mesa]

Why not php while we're at it?

[stray bane]

Nah html only

Or if you are feeling fancy then htmx

[silver lynx]

gw basic!

[stray bane]

Hex editor only, final offer!

[silver lynx]

assembly maybe

[stray bane]

You have went alittle to far....

[warm viper]

fun fact I can't share because inside with my massive mod (which is closed source till now). I have no idea why I decided to do it in the same repo

[silver lynx]

atleast you didn't choose brainf--k or whitespace

[stray bane]

I just want a scripting language that requires you to code in excel functions.

[warm viper]

But I am hiring modders if you are interested to see xd

[stray bane]

I am the best vibe coder you will ever meet

[warm viper]

It's not bad, I do vibe code occationally. But with minecraft specifically it didn't go that well

[stray bane]

Use context7 when have it scan and rerip Wikis and documents for the framework you use. (IE Spigot, Forge, Fabric)

Make sure to use chatgpt or gemini to refacture your prompt to include more detail or better structure

I vibe coded my discord bot, 20000+ lines of code. Kinda a mess but works great and ran for months without issue.

[warm viper]

I need the entire vanilla codebase as context. Forge is not enough, I mostly work with mixins

[warm viper]

but you need to care also about maintenance

[stray bane]

Not hard, use cursor as it will index your entire codebase.

[warm viper]

But vanilla minecraft is not there. I used cursor, github copilot and others. The solution was to add the minecraft source code seperately in the repo (git ignored of course)

[stray bane]

I've had it index an entire codebase before without git, let me find it.

[warm viper]

Without the help of AI it would be painful to manipulate minecraft physics combined with networking. What I did basically is that you can be in the same world in the same room/schematic with many players and each player sees and experiences different things (entities, players, looting chests etc)

[stray bane]

You can use roocode or something similar and setup a OLLAMA server or use openrouter to do codebase index using a embedding model.

[warm viper]

Cursor already does it and github copilot too

[stray bane]

I think github copilot requires git to be setup though.

[stray bane]

https://github(dot)com/zilliztech/claude-context

Funny enough works for other models and not just claude.

[warm viper]

Nah, works fine for me, but still the problem is not always the context. For example say that you want to create your next big boss entity, which can be large and you might want animated attacks and custom hitboxes or animations to be applied to the player model. This can be very complex thing for the AI to handle. The AI struggles with visual understanding (placing hitboxes properly, advanced trigonometry etc)

[stray bane]

Which models have you tried to use? Stupid question but have you tried Gemini 3 on high reasoning? Gemini 3 is extremely smart with math in my testing.

[abstract stratus]

does anyone know if we'll be able to access light levels through the API?

[ruby monolith]

The thing is, you didn't describe what you wanted very well. Honestly, nowadays, if you explain things clearly in detail, precisely and thoroughly, it can do absolutely anything

[warm viper]

yes, I've tried Gemini 3 Pro , High, Flash, Claude 4.5 Sonnet, Opus, GPT-5.2 medium, high, Grok Code fast and others. But these are the top I use on daily basis

[warm viper]

The thing is that you can't easily decribe the problem (eg. animation glitching when entity hits wall. Many times this is not enough)

[ruby monolith]

well just describe what you saw?

[stray bane]

LOL, you dont know AI that well

[warm viper]

I did and it didn't fix it

[stray bane]

How about testing pipelines? Have you been able to have AI do verfication checks on if hitboxes might not be correct?

i ran into issues with my game engine and had to create testing pipelines and verification.

[warm viper]

What I ended up doing is setting up MCP which connects with Minecraft RCON protocol. The AI was able to execute commands and monitor things through custom admin commands also

[stray bane]

What were the results?

[warm viper]

This helped a lot basically

But it was a pain to set it up. Also extending built-in debubbing and profiling system for minecraft helped a lot

[stray bane]

I did something kinda similar but exposed a debug API that the AI can connect to monitor ent positions and hitboxes.

[warm viper]

The hardest thing to manipulate basically is the built in blaze3d graphics that mojang created. You can easily get lost there inside

[stray bane]

I cant wait for someone to completely rewrite the entire rendering and graphics engine in vulkan for java

[warm viper]

for hitboxes bsasically it is better to add debuging lines with F3 + B. I extended that functionallity for my custom hitboxes

I used the MCP solution for complex brain system for the AI

[stray bane]

MCP is what AI usable.

[abstract stratus]

Vulkan and DirectX are already planned

[stray bane]

Thalor I do recommend that you get Context7 if you dont already have it as it will help for any specific libraries you are using.

[warm viper]

I call LLM what you call AI basically and I call AI the Minecraft or Hytale AI logic

So when I say AI I mean Minecraft's brain system in this case

[stray bane]

radiance is working on direct vulkan replacement for ray tracing

[stray bane]

I call LLM's my Bit.. anyways that seems like a interesting project. Will be excitied to see what you release on hytale.

[warm viper]

It's an MMORPG fantasy server

[stray bane]

Like wynncraft or completely differenet?

[warm viper]

Like 10x Wynncraft. It was intended to be modded on Minecraft (custom entities, bosses, UI, effects, abilities, morphing) and there's huge lore behind the scenes

[stray bane]

The plan is for it to be a required mod via a custom launcher since it isnt fabric or forge?

[warm viper]

It is/was forge

I hope I port it to Hytale soon

[stray bane]

You probably will have more success on hytale since it wont require any specific launchers or etc

i wonder how hard the porting will be tho.

[warm viper]

It will, also I expect better performance and faster bug fixing

What I don't know is about Hytale terms for monetization

I also need to remove some existing mods I use as dependencies along with my mod

For example I have to migrate schematics that might include modded blocks

[stray bane]

I would say the best terms are no P2W or gambling.

[warm viper]

That's expected for a game to succeed. But many times it gets confusing. For example P2W vs P4C

[stray bane]

Might be good to ask on twitter on simons page? Maybe specify ideas?

[warm viper]

Like what ideas?

[stray bane]

Like idea of what you would sell lets say you would want to sell an XP booster that boosts your XP for a day or more inventory storage, or something similar.

[sterile venture]

Generally curious when I hear this question come up what do you think is a fair thing for both players AND server owners cause servers aren’t free and need monthly revenue. So generally curious when people argue about this, what should the sell or not sell that pays the bills?

Cause I do agree pay to win or having rare cosmetics are likely the ideal choice

with cosmetics honestly being the better of the two

[stray bane]

I think P4C and Cosmetics are the best, but P4C shouldn't be abused. Like farming if it takes 12 hours shouldn't be reduced to 1 hour by a P4C item.

[sterile venture]

can you define P4C?

[warm viper]

Pay for convenience

[stray bane]

Pay for convience

[sterile venture]

ah gotcha

[stray bane]

I think P4C would be fine if not abused and gives a HUGE advantage to the player.

[coarse frost]

which jar

[sterile venture]

thats fair gotta balance it

[stray bane]

The server jar when it is available for download.

[coarse frost]

Well I meant already lol

[warm viper]

Many times if the server is cool, even pure cosmetics can make the server profitable. Many players just buy cosmetics "for the hall of fame"

But in early stage P4C gives some boost to pay the bills

[sterile venture]

yeah plenty of games run off a cosmetic model

[stray bane]

Espcically items that are limited or rare.

[warm viper]

Unless you're lucky to have donations

[stray bane]

Donations work great if you get a cool rank and it stays fair.

[warm viper]

Or pets and mounts

[stray bane]

Cosmetic pets or mounts work the best

[warm viper]

And there are also global boosters

Like a streamer pays for global rewards to all players for that moment

[stray bane]

I made enough money to run a minecraft server for a couple years just off morphing plugin.

Am I only one here that has never played the origin mods or plugins for minecraft?

[warm viper]

Origins?

[stray bane]

The mod that add different classes (origins)

[calm sable]

Would be also interested to join, im a senior engineer. Dme

[warm viper]

Alright I added you

Accept and I'll send you more details

[storm junco]

do you all think a city-builder (Like kingdoms and castles) mod would be a fun idea to make?

[boreal radish]

maybe
ive been meaning to play some minecraft mods like that

[idle peak]

How are people on YT already posting mod showcases

[boreal radish]

early access

[west elk]

the hytale team invited some established minecraft modders to test and provide feedback on the modding experience before launch so everything goes smooth for us when the game comes out

[sinful shoal]

Could you please tell me where I can download a file for my server? Is it possible to create servers in the game?

[west elk]

It will be possible to self-host dedicated servers once the game comes out. You will be able to download the HytaleServer.jar from the Hytale launcher, or from the hytale-downloader cli tool. We only have to wait for Jan 13th :)

[sinful shoal]

thank you very much for your answer

Are there already any websites where there will be plugins and servers?

[boreal pulsar]

Hopefully someone creates a TrueNAS Hytale plugin

[vernal niche]

Will be very easy

[sand stump]

I have a feeling server hostings out the door for hytale will be stupid expensive so I'm just gonna host off of an AWS instance if we have the server jar lol

[queen dirge]

will the hytale modding tool be available before or at launch?

[west elk]

Your feelings betray you, lol

[crude cedar]

No, i been told that it's gonna be as easy as hosting a Minecraft server. So it should be fairly easy to do

[west elk]

at launch

[sand stump]

yep exactly why ima do it on aws servers >:)

[chrome tundra]

I don't know MC servers running on AWS x'). People tend to go to specialized hosts or to take VPS/dedi from hosts kike OVH/Hertzner (from my knowledge)

[crude cedar]

No need! I'll be hosting it as soon as i can for it 🙂

[west elk]

Do you have a ton of free credits or something? ^^

[sand stump]

Nope but its like $3 a day and you can shut it down to prevent overcharging when youre not playing hytale whenever unlike server hostings

[sand stump]

OVH is an option too. Been using them for a bit

[vernal niche]

[visible confusion]

[west elk]

You'd still pay for the storage even while the compute is shut down

do you plan on playing for like 4 days a month?

[crude cedar]

I'm just hoping that i can get customers with hytale, looks like a great game to play anyways. 🙂

[sand stump]

I'm running a full healthcare application development environment thats up everyday for 30 days. It's like $100 a month. I can't imagine a hytale game server being more costly than that 🥲 unless i am entirely wrong and storage will run up the cost lmao

[crude cedar]

Question for you (if you don't mind) how did you get the Server provider role 🙂

[vernal niche]

Through Nitrado being a launch and development partner of Hytale!

[west elk]

It's the other way around. a $20/mo vps is just much cheaper than a $90/mo EC2 instance with the same specs

[crude cedar]

Fair enough!

[sand stump]

Yea. I'll probably start with AWS and then switch to OVH if I find that I'm spending more than like $20

[formal burrow]

"I'm afraid of being overcharged for going to a vegan restaurant, so I'm going to buy a $15 vegan sandwich from the supermarket to eat at home instead"

bruh just use OVH, look at the VPS and grab a $4.20/month 8GB of RAM VPS before they're out of stock

[oak swift]

^^This, just found a random site thats already marketing hytale hosting. Compare that to OVH, and its insane people still use them.

(random site pricing: 8gb ram, 6vcpu's, $16/m)
(ovh: 8gb ram, 4vcpu's $4,20/m - 12gb ram, 6vcpu's $6,75/m)

[stray bane]

Seems like a waste of money but that my opinion

If hytale is anything like Minecraft then you will want high clock speed CPUs, not sure if that will be as big of an impact since it is multithreaded unlike Minecraft.

[near raptor]

OVH is pretty good price-quality wise. And some of their servers have unlimited bandwidth, which is perfect for games. Just keep an eye on the server temperature and you're all good.

[crude cedar]

Thing is though, it's crammed with MULTIPLE other instances on the machine so it's probably clustered and degraded

[near raptor]

I mean, when you buy from a host like Nitrado I assume you are also clustered with more on one machine (but correct me if I am wrong on that)

If you have a bit more budget to burn, OVH's Rise-Game servers are also really powerful, powerful enough to run multiple Hytale instances and still have space for other things. They are dedicated boxes.

[crude cedar]

Not sure about Nitrado, haven't heard of them, I run Tekknodes (founder) and i know that my utilization is LOW on a dedicated no vm machine.

[sterile robin]

ovh is server hosting of linux means know what are you doing , normaly the 16$ is for instant server with some button and be online

[near raptor]

True, if you like doing Linux tinkering then for sure go for your own VPS or dedi, but if you're a casual Hytale player not interested in the whole setting up and such, then host providers that allow you to get a server by pressing a few buttons can be worth the extra money.

[crude cedar]

Oh totally, Linux and Ptero makes it so easy to host stuff 🙂

[sacred tulip]

haven't heard of them

Ouch, low blow

[crude cedar]

They can say the same thing about my hosting too 😛

[boreal pulsar]

Legit

[formal burrow]

They should get a $4/month OVH VPS anyways... If they manage to burn out that VPS with whatever limits there are, because they have OVH they can just get the budget server line, or the game server line. Not many people are going to start off with DOZENS of players... Many will start off with none or barely any. Everyone who wants to pay for a server should throw the $4/month, they can always upgrade and use that OVH server for testing, for web hosting, and other stuff

[honest sage]

Is hytale Multithreaded or Single Thread majority?

[formal burrow]

you can throw Claude Code, Gitea (if they don't wanna use Github), self hosted version of Trello/Jira, NocoDB (airtable alternatgive) on a VPS and do tons of other things...

[formal burrow]

Managed hosting is actually very good and cost effective if you go with the right host and you don't have much time

even a 512MB of RAM server can be OVERKILL to host some static site

[sterile venture]

I mean you could with multiple VPS or a powerful one. I think the point is dedicated vs non and most including the prices it looked like for OVH your sharing resources with everyone else on the node. Probably fine for most projects not ideal for production stuff

[stray pasture]

Well standard game threading. Likely 4-6 threads.

[clear crow]

That's good.

[ancient osprey]

Will I need two accounts to test plugins that affect players?

For example, when one player kills another player, the killed player drops iron.

How can I test this if I only have one account and no friends available at the moment to help me test and develop it?

[misty river]

You will probably be able to simulate that on a mob

From what I have seen their creation tools are very powerful so that will most likely not be a problem for you

[final field]

Will hosting a server on dedicated hardware be possible day one of launch? Will it be similar to hosting a Minecraft server?

[latent spindle]

you mean your own dedicated hardware?

[rich solar]

It will be a jar file you can run as a dedi server

[final field]

Ya like on an old spare computer i have lying around

[rich solar]

Only need java 25

[latent spindle]

Your pc is already going to be a local host server but only for few people... Like 2-4 maybe.

[final field]

Right, but if I wanted to host a server so friends can play when i'm offline I could just have the spare running 24/7 for them

[rich solar]

Yes

[latent spindle]

Yeah

[final field]

And I have it sitting around so I want to make use of it lol

[clear root]

Do you already know the JDK version, and some API function ?

[final field]

I believe java 25

Not sure about API function

[rich solar]

Yes

No API documents yet that will be on release

3rd parties are already working on modding documentation for release

[crude cedar]

I'm just hearing about the game and waiting to know what's gonna be needed :]

[clear root]

Thanks, is they're any limitation like custom lib that we can't use ?

[final field]

What 3rd parties, do you know?

[rich solar]

Not known yet. THe main limitation is no client side modding. All server side with API access.

[rich solar]

hytalemodding(.)dev

[clear root]

i usually have a utility lib with some function i use often like math stuff

[limpid mesa]

The blog post from November mentioned docs being available 1 to 2 months after release. Have they released any updates on that?

[clear root]

but could be SQL lib or other stuff

[rich solar]

Official documentations will be released down the road. That is why 3rd parties will be working on it early

[rich solar]

You can use most libs or create your own. The only limit is API based or your own skill.

[clear root]

Thanks for the info

[rich solar]

I have 5 core foundation mods made that all work with a core library. The only thing I haven't done is hook it into hytale as we don't have access yet. So you can prebuild a lot if you know what you are doing.

[clear root]

Yeah and i guess they will be some event overide function like OnPlayerConnected,OnPlayerDisconnected, .....

[delicate dagger]

OVH is bad quality though

there's a reason why its cheap

i tried hosting a minecraft server on it, and it was extremely laggy, then i switched to digital ocean with the same specs and it was so much better

[rich solar]

I switched from OVH to IONOS and it was so much better for price

used ovh for years with no issue on their hardware. Performed as expected.

[rich solar]

Also forgot to mention:
The server will be released as shared source - we will have the source code with no obfuscation and all their comments. So you can read through the comments at least until documentation is made. Or have AI go through it and make a short hand document

[clear root]

Damn that nice !!! would be easier to debug it

[latent spindle]

Okay but for real tho when Advanced Custom Enchants plugin for Hytale

[rich solar]

first week

I mean someone has already added fishing to hytale via a mod.

[latent spindle]

When Pyro Axe plugin iykyk

[sterile salmon]

How ppl are already codding mods if theres no game yet?

[clear root]

they have access before

[rich solar]

some modders have been given access for testing and creation.

[sterile salmon]

How can i get early access to the this kind of tooling?

[rich solar]

Get a time machine and make good mc mods

[latent spindle]

U need to be known modder in MC or atleast your MODS are known

[clear root]

And make Hytale people know you for modding

[sterile salmon]

i see

[rich solar]

Or wait 5 days... 🙂

[clear root]

And just prepare some stuff on the side that will be 95% edited because it will not be like you expected but atleast you have copilot to help you made stuff faster

[latent spindle]

But seriously we need HyRanks & HyCrates plugin so server owners can start being rich

[rich solar]

The first few months are going to be dev hell for how much iteration we will see with hytale

[clear root]

And big chance modding API will change a lot during the next few month

the first mod that will be release may not work in a few weeks or even a few day

Expect utility plugin for the few weeks that will add like admin stuff and freeroam stuff, and in a month some gamemode that are broken 50% of the time. We don't know if the game will be dead in a week , we don't know how hard it will be to make mods, we don't know how the tool are so might take some time and i am guessing they will not be a lot of full time people working on mods

[stray pasture]

Do we really think that they would make that many breaking changes to their modding API which sounds like the core of their game? Like they have been planning and developing around moddability I would be suprised if they just started releasing breaking changes all over the board.

[clear root]

Big chance yeah because it's an old version of the engine if i understand the story correct

[stray pasture]

Well, old engine vs modding API, I could see some backwards compatibility and pending depreciation but if I were in their shoes I would at least create a stable eco systems for a little while to gain footing and allow building of mods otherwise you just chase everyone out as there is no point and a year later to be stable is to late.

[clear root]

change can be small but impactfull, like just the need to recompile with a new JDK or a new build tool , but people that did they're mod in day one could just stop after a month, or focus on other mod and don't do it

[stray pasture]

Yeah, its totally a thing that could happen. I certainly would not look back once I start having to fix things. 😄 their choice to release early, not like mods have to be made. Would suck to have to wait till full release to have a stable API.

[rich solar]

I dont think we will see a lot breaking changes to the API right away. Depreciation will be active later.

[stray pasture]

This is my hope. Let the eco system grow, those breaking changes should hopefully have already been dog fed, and the triage tolerance should hopefully be higher.

[clear root]

Do we know how monetisation will work ? will it be like roblox or more regulated ?

[stray pasture]

Uhh, like Minecraft? 😄 I think. Not much on it yet

[upbeat storm]

Slikey said this in December:

Updates in the first few months won't follow our deprecation policy as we expect a lot of problems we need to fix fast.

[rich solar]

They arent going to follow the policy. But they also aren't going to make major breaking changes

Mostly fix what is missing or give access to what is missing

[stray pasture]

If they have to make many breaking changes. It just tells me that didnt use their system and dog food it prior. That would be a fantastic sign of it.

[upbeat storm]

This is an oxymoron

[rich solar]

Your mom is an oxymoron = Oh goteem.

But no for reals. It isn't smart to make major systems in the first few months. Mainly spend the time learning the tools while testing systems

I think the biggest thing is the foundations that will be made to follow in the next few months. What standards we will start to follow.

[stray pasture]

I mean if they used their own modding api like Factorio or Vintage Story I am sure this wouldn't be a worry. They would know its full capabilities. "Alpha" is really a shield against content and imbalance not really good when talking about architecture. It usually would indicate their modding API is seperate from their development.

[rich solar]

The thing is how many merges they are doing to get the EA where it is now.
It’s super fast and complicated. It won’t be fully implemented how they want. Which is why we may see some big changes at first. But I doubt we will see major breakdowns in their mod first design

[summer ibex]

What would HyCrates be?

[stray pasture]

Gambling for kids. What else?

[summer ibex]

No idea, thats why I asked

[latent spindle]

If u play cs2 its like cases

[summer ibex]

Ah ok cool. So similar UI/Style in opening them?

[latent spindle]

Uhhh maybe?

But the real mod/plugin will be Anti Dupe

[summer ibex]

👀

[latent spindle]

We need Anti Dupe mods 🙏

[summer ibex]

Yes

[stray pasture]

I should be more clear: technically not gambling as most jurisdictions define gambling with the caveat in which you may cash out to the operator, in which is why CS2, MC, etc are not technically gambling.

We all know its the same system though. 😄

[summer ibex]

Will you have a github page or curseforge page with the mods you are going to create?

[latent spindle]

Watch out for my Force OP mod, jk.

Xray mod for 3$

[summer ibex]

👀

[rose atlas]

force op lmao

[pine helm]

Quick question is there any way to get Hytale APIs so I can start coding my server plugins

[rich solar]

Yeah, wait 5 days

You can build the foundation for your mods and the main logic. That is what I have done. Kind of comment how I expect my systems to interact with Hytale

[pine helm]

Well I have started I’m just curious if it was out or not

[rich solar]

Nope. unfortunately

[pine helm]

Darn

What you working on

[rich solar]

I am planning to build a custom skyblock like server and a standard SMP server.

So I am making core mods like a magic system, factory system, summoning system...etc.

End goal is by hytale 1.0 I have a full community network built

[pine helm]

Full server idea

[rich solar]

Gonna try to keep most things in-house and not use other made mods unless they are just so good I can't make my own type haha

[pine helm]

I’m working on a full scale MMORPG right now have a lot of the systems down

[rich solar]

Noice. Ive seen a few great plans for some. Hytale I feel is gonna be a big mmorpg game host haha

[pine helm]

Ya I can see it only because it leans into a more fantasy style that’s all and I also want to maybe try and replicate the old Java Minecraft Server BadLion for comp PvP

[sacred tulip]

I'm making ads for servers so you get paid every time someone joins

[clear root]

Small plugin for server management first and then some fun gamemode. i am very bad at 3d model and 2d texture so focusing on gameloop and good idea

[pine helm]

That is so bad

The greed is showing

[sacred tulip]

All configurable by server admin. Popups when you join, persistent ads across parts of ui, ads in loading screen, ads in inventory menus, or ads only on specific events (like when minigame ends or more in the lobby).

Some mobile apps make serious money this way

[sacred tulip]

Configurable so players who buy ranks don't get ads

[rich solar]

I dont think its really a greed thing. Could be useful for a alternative income for servers

[clear root]

We don't know yet for monetization, if this kind of stuff will be authorize

[sacred tulip]

Why not

I already asked about custom UI the developers said they want full customization

[pine helm]

Ya but let’s be honest if a server wants some income it can make systems for that but ads are a bad route to take because if it takes off then the whole gaming industry could change for the worse

[clear root]

It will depends on the road they allow us to take, if they do a minecraft like monetization where we do like we want or roblox using they're own currency and payement system so they take a %

[rich solar]

Roblox hosts your work. Hytale won't. They will also be giving us a few years before they bring up splits

[sacred tulip]

Make the payments outside their currency system problem solved

[clear root]

they can ban you if you don't follow they're guideline. It's the reason i hope they will talk about it soon

and the "Smart parental controls" on hytale website could be a part of it

[sacred tulip]

They can't ban me from refusing their digital currency. Businesses must accept USD in America

Many states must also accept cash payments

[fiery vine]

imagine u doing a parry and a popup show an 2mins ad thats was snow

[clear root]

imagine +18 ads on a server with child

[summer ibex]

"B*** Local ....."

[sacred tulip]

Obviously bad idea

Screen the ads first

[summer ibex]

"You must sign in with a verified 18+ account to view this AD"

[rich solar]

They can ban you for any reason. LOL but they probably wont ban for that.

[rich solar]

Does Hypixel take a cut from my Third-party server?

As Simon already mentioned publicly, we are taking 0% for the first 2 years from any Third-party server or modder who wants to monetize their work.

That doesn't mean there are no costs at all. Please still account for monetization platform fees, payment provider fees, etc.

What happens after 2 years?

We can't yet promise you a specific percentage, as it will depend on many factors. What we can already say today is that our percentage cut won't ever exceed 20%. If things go our way, we will never even reach the 20% though.

In an ideal scenario, a third-party server is self-sustaining, has its own infrastructure, creates great content for the playerbase, has its own moderation and has fair and transparent monetization. A server like that would need little to no attention from us and therefore benefit from a much lower percentage.

At a later date, if we decide to offer hosting and moderation to partners, then th

[fiery vine]

nah actually webs only makes you to click a button that say "Im 18+ older" or a "Leave" best anti kids keeper

[warm viper]

better than roblox

[sacred tulip]

"fair and transparent monetization"

That's basically gambling crates and ads

What else could you monetize on

[rich solar]

a website with constant pdf problems and huge amounts of child saftey problems... gambling... I would hope hytale is better haha

[warm viper]

it also looks better when it comes with monetization

[rich solar]

I mean as long as they do something similar to mc eula for "gambling". That is better than nothing. Like let me be stupid gamble a lil but let me do that while knowing my odds at least.

Like my MC servers I always had crates but you earned keys by playing not spending money. So I made it pretty easy to earn "keys"

[sacred tulip]

let me do that while knowing my odds at least

It's not gambling if you know the odds then it becomes an educated guess.

[fiery vine]

wait eula prevent nfts here.. right..?

[rich solar]

sweating Listen I have a 1/1000 of a chance to get this. But Due to that fact that I have these other possible solutions and rewards let me just calculates okay I will win.

[rich solar]

Uh probably

[fiery vine]

🙏

[rich solar]

Lets be honest. Even if it doesn't. It would be super easy to ignore those server types

[fiery vine]

yeah but prevents these talks

and promos etc

[delicate dagger]

What port will the servers run on?

[steep lion]

5520/udp

[delicate dagger]

ty

finally setup my backend server to be hidden behind a proxy

[steep lion]

what reverse proxy did you use by the way

just curious about what option people choose

[delicate dagger]

will hytale support srv records?

[steep lion]

no, not at launch at least

[delicate dagger]

I just set it up myself with a vps and wireguard

[stray pasture]

We gotta get the game first. So far Roblox is ahead.

[woven halo]

Server already rented thanks to the discount 😂

I'm curious if hytale community will DDOS the days as well

[rich solar]

Yes.

[woven halo]

Then I will make a prefilter for my Protection 😂

[rich solar]

There is always someone who gets butt hurt and can't handle the real world.

[woven halo]

Yeah so game basically run UDP so need to build for this..

Or did they changed to TCP?

[rich solar]

Me casually having a probe on curseforge(.)com/hytale for any web page changes.... 🙂

[stray pasture]

Not at all, would be bad. 😄

[rich solar]

Quic so its UDP.

[woven halo]

Have always there problems and you remember me to finish the forum - Need to make a team lost time last weeks haha

Most ppl DDoS in TCP randomly like aisuru net...

[rich solar]

"most people" as in 0.001% of people do it

[stray pasture]

Well you can DDoS all you want. 😄 TCP udp, as long as it overflows the intake you succeed

[woven halo]

Yes but the 0.001 do it without limits 😂