server-plugins-read-only

[calm python]

Yes, but plugins like luck perms I'm pretty sure that will be ported at the beggining

A lot of crossplatform plugins rely on brigadier

[vernal niche]

I recently threw out DDR3 RAM, now I regret my life choices

[spiral marten]

Hopefully the api is good enough so we won't need a translator

[tropic axle]

Permissions like that will probably just be builtin to Hytale's API

[sharp lake]

I don't think we're going to see many actual "ports" of Minecraft plugins
Just borrowed concepts and reimplementations

[true socket]

have even ddr3 prices increased?

[sharp lake]

Anything with a chip on it, afaik

[formal burrow]

It's very possible to use the AI models of now to convert the githubs of existing java spigot plugins to Hytale, it'll require human intervention but it'll chop the time by a lot

[calm python]

Maybe not official ones, but I think we will se a lot of sketchy forks

[formal burrow]

Claude, Grok, ChatGPT have likely already been trained on Github's entirety

[calm python]

Codebases like luckperms are very agnostic to the platform with support to huge amount of drivers

[sharp lake]

There is going to be so much code pollution and overfitting with a domain like this
How are you so confident it'll be able to reasonably write plugins for something that with zero footprint?

[true socket]

just doing this would be very easy, stuff like inventory tracking etc between the games would be much harder

[formal burrow]

what matters is it works, I never said tho it wouldn't be an unoptimized mess

[sharp lake]

That's just the thing, I don't think it will work 🙈

[tropic axle]

I mean, consider how many Minecraft mods/plugins have been 'ported' to Luanti (formerly Minetest). I just don't think we'll see a lot of direct ports

[formal burrow]

No one plays Minetest, so no one cares to port anything

[tropic axle]

It has a far smaller playerbase that is fair

[sharp lake]

Minecraft has years and years of presence in terms of code and plugins
The AI models aren't going to be able to reconcile the fact that they're not Minecraft plugins considering how close they are
You'd need a literal finetune for Hytale conversion

[calm python]

That would be horrible, because servers will be built on messy plugins, that would be a mess into the near future...

[formal burrow]

Davinci Resolve has only like 20-30 plugins in existence despite so many people using it

however there are no instructions on how to even use it's API

[true socket]

this is definitely possible but the idea of it like mentally hurts me like why

[formal burrow]

trust me there are people here who will try who are on payroll by these rich server owners

[tropic axle]

Gregtech port for Hytale 💀

[calm python]

It would take a while until the AI could code hytale plugins

[sharp lake]

Why are we so confident it's feasible 🙈
All the evidence we have regarding AI models is that it's not feasible yet
You need a finetune, and nobody is finetuning for Hytale

[formal burrow]

Not too difficult, problem is the RAM shortage, you can use Unsloth to train the free models that work very well

[calm python]

But first we have to know how to code plugins ourselfe

[sharp lake]

So you plan to finetune with unsloth for Hytale?

[formal burrow]

hell nah i dont got the ram

[calm python]

Dont forget, there wouldn't be any documentation soon, just the jar file

[formal burrow]

you need 24GB of VRAM for the good Qwen3 Coder model

[sharp lake]

You need literally 1000 examples minimum for it to learn too

[true socket]

it might be possible to write a somewhat working bukkit api implementation for hytale but like that’s a bit cursed

[formal burrow]

use Claude AI, GPT and Gemini and it's context window for it to make working examples. Use it to generate smaller examples/smaller tasks

[prisma agate]

U can use system ram as well, not just vram (but will be slower obv)

[calm python]

I wouldn't be surprised if the apis are similar (i hope more modern to)

Just like bungeecord was released, the api is almost identical to spigot

[sharp lake]

You can rent compute for training, and you'll basically have to
And you need to collect 1000 examples of things like the imports and Hytale API usage
And that's just minimum, ideally you'd get more than a thousand lol

And those examples have to be roughly identical in behaviour, proper translations

And even after all of that, it's still an AI coder 💀
And it's locked into that specific model, so you can't utilize any later innovations in the space

[vernal niche]

I think you misunderstand how coding agents work. They are trained on, say, general Java code, but at runtime can look at your dependencies, like the decompiled hytale jar

No need to train them on other plugins

[true socket]

I have a 3090 I could use that

[sharp lake]

The concern is that their datasets already contain a ton of Minecraft plugins and the likes
So they'll be overfitted and unable to produce things for Hytale without complications

You need to finetune to address the overfitting

[silver bronze]

Yeah no using AI for a constantly changing, undocumented and very new codebase sounds like it'd be even more horrible

[tropic axle]

How might Hytale handle massive player counts? Will the standard server operate something like Folia, or will the community need to develop their own plugin to handle multithreading or another concurrent solution?

[sharp lake]

Even with the entire decompiled jar in context, the concepts have a lot of overlap and it'll almost certainly struggle
And that's assuming it can even absorb the entire jar as context

[sharp lake]

The game has multi-threading already
Though it doesn't sound like it's based on region, so we might need to make our own for that kind of behaviour

[prisma agate]

They said the server is already multithreaded

And the solution minecraft servers use for when u can't have more players, is u just have multiple servers and u sync data across them (like wynncraft, minigame instances, etc)

[tropic axle]

ofc

Is there a blog post I can read about this? I don't recall seeing anything about multithreading in the recent one about modding / the server

[fast turtle]

New nodes as in nodes with completely new logic compared to whatever they have prebuilt

[prisma agate]

I think it was mentioned on twitter? also they use ECS which is a really efficient way to manage entities, basically instead of having each entity "tick" itself (and update it's position etc), you group entities based on similarity, like all entities that can move, will have a "tick" on all movement entities

[tropic axle]

Yep, you can create nodes with arbitrary inputs and outputs and with whatever functionality the API allows

They're still working on it from what I gather so I doubt visual scripting will be available/stable for a while after launch

[sharp lake]

What is the state of multi-threading in the game? Does it scale well with more cores?

Zero (Hytale Dev): In some aspects yes, others there is more work to be done

Does server use multiple cores for world?

Zero (Hytale Dev):** Its a mix. Each world has their own main thread for the core logic but then can use parallel execution for some tasks. Its not perfect and we have improvements we want to make but it will make use of a multi-core machine.

[tropic axle]

So most likely the ECS logic will be multithreaded, as opposed to the region-based multithreading done in some Minecraft server implementations?

[sharp lake]

Yeah, that's most likely

Since the server will be fully open, it probably wouldn't be infeasible to add things like region-based execution caps
So that laggy areas don't drag down the entire server

Distributing players across multiple servers for different parts of the same world though
I wouldn't hold your breath for anything like that

It'd be a nice surprise though lol

[tropic axle]

Yeah the implementation for that seems far more opinionated

[tired scarab]

Will we get the server jar before the 13th jan? Is there any info about that

[kindred crescent]

Are they?

The ECS they were using was for the new C++ engine, not the old one

[tropic axle]

I wonder how feasible a p2p server implementation would be. Maybe each player could functionally be in a singleplayer world connected to a local server that has a plugin that synchronizes state between peers. For small maps that don't require peers to send massive amounts of world data, it might be feasible but I'd imagine any normal world would need an insane amount of bandwidth, and even more for each additional peer

[slim mesa]

If the server code will be shared source will there be a way to contribute fixes to issues/bugs?

[tropic axle]

Yes, and I believe there's a kind of bounty program?

[sharp lake]

Shared Source Server

We know that the lack of documentation for assets and systems is causing serious friction. We feel the same pain internally.
We commit to releasing the server source code as soon as we are legally able to. Expect this within 1-2 months after release.
  In the meantime the server is not obfuscated, so you can decompile it easily.
This will let you:
  Inspect how systems work under the hood while documentation is catching up.
  Unblock yourself by reading the actual implementation, not guessing from trial and error.
  Contribute improvements and bug fixes back to us if something bothers you enough that you don't want to wait.

[tropic axle]

Beyond simply releasing the server source:

• We plan to open development bounties for specific improvements and features.
• This will take time to set up properly, but the goal is to reward contributions that strengthen the ecosystem.

[slim mesa]

This will be a fun way to spend my free time

[prisma agate]

Silkey was here a few days ago and I asked him about it, he said the java version had their own custom ECS system they developed (so not flecs like they used in the new engine)

[kindred crescent]

Ah thank you! Very nice

[prisma agate]

Way better than the inheritance mess Minecraft is

[prisma agate]

Wait I think I know u from boot.dev as well

[slim mesa]

Lmao you are the C guy

I read your virtual memory thing

[prisma agate]

Yes lol

[prisma agate]

I am thinking doing arenas next (basically how to properly do "manual memory management") thoughts?

[kindred crescent]

Are you going to make a server port in C?

[sharp lake]

Minecraft does inheritance with entity ticking?

[slim mesa]

Doing a article on arenas would be nice since it was a pain in the ass to find resources on best practices

[prisma agate]

Actually idk about Minecraft, but spigot does use inheritance for stuff like Entity -> LivingEntity -> Player etc

[sharp lake]

Oh, yes

💀 i suppose it does actually do that

LMFAO jesus christ inheritance was a mistake

[kindred crescent]

inheritance is fine, it's all about how you use it 🙂

[sharp lake]

What do you think about how it's used there LOL

[prisma agate]

I have a list of resources on my gitea but the tldr is Vjekoslav's BSC 2025 talk and Ryan Fleury's blog "Untangling Lifetimes: the arena allocator" or his talk "Enter the arena" or gingerBill's series on memory allocators (covers arena/pool and more)

[kindred crescent]

I think there are better ways to make games, but as it turns out, the best ways to make games don't necessarily sell games either 🙂

[prisma agate]

You should never use inheritance (for data), interfaces (just functions, using a vtable) is fine but is overused imo

[slim mesa]

Yeah, I just found it hard to actully learn memory management because none of these resources were easy to find on my own

[prisma agate]

I compiled the list of resources I used to learn that kind of stuff, so u can just look at that, I'd dm u it bcz can't post links here

?

[slim mesa]

You use nixos as well, I did not know you were based, I only remember your crazy WM hate

[tropic axle]

What WM was under fire lmao

[prisma agate]

Probably not until I have a good reason to do so, then I might
And one reason I'd do it is I am currently making a C-abi compatible programming language, so porting it to C means I can use my language to write hytale plugins

[slim mesa]

He just hates window managers in general

[prisma agate]

Hyprland, but in generla most WMs, they are just pointless, everything they do can be done with KDE, like I have alt+1 for terminal, 2 for browser, 3 for debugger, 4 for code, etc, and I have notifications, audio mixers, popups etc all work out of the box

[tropic axle]

I had a friend who had a libreboot laptop setup using only tty lmao, why even use a display server or compositor these days

[prisma agate]

And even stuff like splits (which I basically never use, I mostly like fullscreen) is still easily done with KDE

[slim mesa]

My crazy take is that gnu screen is better than tmux and I am sick of pretending it is not

[tropic axle]

Can't you just create API bindings for C?

[prisma agate]

Well about that... I couold go rant about as much as the WMs thing on NixOS, and I am planning to switch to fedora soon

[tropic axle]

Really? My NixOS friends think it's the best thing since sliced bread and can't touch any other distro (aside from Nix's quirks)

[slim mesa]

Same I hate and love nixos but nix develop is so nice in my opinion

[prisma agate]

Ye that's one (of many) reasons, reminds me of the rust community lol

[silver bronze]

Someone mentioned Rust?

[slim mesa]

To much information to unwrap?

[sharp lake]

Comedy central over here

[prisma agate]

The tldr is trying to do gamedev on NixOS (or anything) is extremely annoying
It doesn't use FHS so everytime I try to run something it breaks bcz it can't locate a dependency, it causes so many headaches (in the boot.dev hackathon I spent like an hour debugging why audio didn't work, bcz it didn't find alsa)

And also I had emojis in firefox completely break one day without explanation, and had to deal with it for like a month or two, then while trying to fix another NixOS issue I stumbled upon an option that was basically created to fix that problem, so idk why that happened and why they didn't just fix it automatically

[tropic axle]

I've used nix flakes for development, I agree it's really nice

[prisma agate]

Nix shell/develop is propaganda, it's a solution for a problem nix created (making it really annoying to access global deps so u have to reinstall them locally for things to work)
Or if u use it for other projects bcz it's too hard to replicate the environment to build them, then those projects sucks and they should just be fixed, rather than relying on NixOS

For example my compiler is super easy to build, if u r on windows u just need msvc and git, if u r on linux u need a C compiler, sh, and git

[sharp lake]

And what happens when you need two different versions of msvc?

[prisma agate]

-# And git is optional, it's just to embed the commit info

[sharp lake]

Why aren't you developing in containers anyway?

[prisma agate]

Why would I need 2 diff versions huh?

[sharp lake]

Why would you need two different versions of any library?

[prisma agate]

MSVC is a C compiler for windows, not a library

[sharp lake]

Development on Nix is the same as anywhere else because containers are a constant, and that's what people develop with these days lol

[sharp lake]

Oh, it's strange for them to require so many different ones to be installed then

[prisma agate]

Yes bcz building projects is so convuluted these days so u need containers to make it easy

[sharp lake]

Nix is an alternative to containers, but you can just use containers anyway

[slim mesa]

I hate containers

[prisma agate]

^^ bloatware

[sharp lake]

That's a joke right, bloatware?
You need a normalized environment for development

[light lance]

Containers are very useful, how else can I hold my drinks

[prisma agate]

U need projects to stop relying on ur environment, that way u don't need containers

[tropic axle]

What are your thoughts on nix-ld lmao

[sharp lake]

What do you do when you go back to a project 3-8 years down the line, and your system dependencies are several revisions later?

[prisma agate]

Not sure exactly what it does (I assume it's a dynamic linker, bcz it's called ld?) but I enabled it so stuff like neovim and linking deps will break less than without it

[sharp lake]

I don't even understand this sentence
The point of containers is to not rely on the environment, that cannot be the reason why you don't need containers

[prisma agate]

The reasons people invented containers was bcz "it works on my machine", so they invented a way to reproduce environments, but the problem was that projects relied on those environments too much

[sharp lake]

Let's say your project depends on ffmpeg
What do you use for dependency management in your project?
You don't want to just use the system ffmpeg for building, that's not reproducible
You could use a container to build with, that's what a lot do
Nix can reproducibly grab the dependencies, that's their gimmick

[tropic axle]

nix-ld basically mimicks FHS and provides a version of ld but reintroduces global versioning for packages. It essentially unnixes nix for the sake of getting stuff to work

[prisma agate]

Right, you want to vendor ffmpeg into your project, and statically link against it

[sharp lake]

Now you're duplicating dependencies and missing out on security patches

If your program runs on a server, that matters a lot

[prisma agate]

What do u mean by duplicating? u shouldn't rely on ffmpeg to be installed on the users machine, that's exactly the problem lol

[sharp lake]

You should literally rely on ffmpeg being available, that's why we have package management
If a program has a dependency, it needs to declare it for the system to fetch

Then it'd be shared between all applications, and security patches can be included

[prisma agate]

And for security, just update it often if that's important for u, and u can set it up so u automatically download new versions (although I'd recommend doing it manually, to avoid breaking stuff, especially for libraries that are not backwards compatible)

[sharp lake]

It's not about whether it's important for you, it's about public security

It's why you don't want to jar-in-jar, you want to have a dependency on an external library
So then other plugins can rely on the same file, no bloat

[prisma agate]

This sharing is exactly the issue NixOS fixes, by duplicating (one per version) to avoid issues
The only area where sharing makes sense is for system wide dependencies like x11/wayland/libc etc

[tropic axle]

What if you're using a program that links against an older version of the library such that the newer version of the library isn't compatible, and the old program can't function properly? Ideally it would be kept up to date but that's not always practical

[slim mesa]

[tropic axle]

nvm you were saying Nix fixes this issue

[sharp lake]

You can patch the links thankfully, so that's not really a problem as long as there aren't breaking changes
If there are breaking changes, then you'd need another version of the library downloaded, which is what something like Nix does

[sharp lake]

It's duplicated per version, not per application
If everybody was shipping their own version of dependencies, it would be slower, less efficient, and less secure

You don't want the same libraries loaded into RAM over and over again, nor do you want the same libraries stored on disk in a bunch of places

[light lance]

Im hardly a programmer, but containers seem useful to me even as an organization tactic. Keep different projects as separate and organized as possible

[sharp lake]

They are useful in that way

I use them for sandboxing and stuff too
I containerize all my servers, so I can easily move them between machines
Even while they're running actually

I only develop Rust in a container, because I can't be bothered to manage that with Nix

Everything else you can just enter an FHS declared by your Nix project, it's not too difficult

[prisma agate]

Clearly it still doesn't work, I enabled it fixed neovim, then added gnu lib to fix some other thing then tried adding a bunch of wayland/x11 librarues to be able to run a game, and it didn't really work well, And if I need to add every global library that I want to use, then it defeats the purpose, it should just add all of them

[sharp lake]

With something like neovim, you don't want to use nix-ld
You just want to run neovim in an FHS

On Nix, they're portable, you can just pick whatever applications to run in their own mimicked FHS
That's how Steam works, among other things, VS Code lol

nixos org/manual/nixpkgs/stable/#sec-fhs-environments

[prisma agate]

Except u need to list all the dependencies u want to use for it to work, and u don't know which ones u r missing, ignoring the fact that anywhere else it just works, no setup

[sharp lake]

You need to know all your dependencies regardless
And no, it doesn't just work anywhere else lol
If there's a missing dependency anywhere else, it's the same exact problem, you need to figure out which ones you're missing

[prisma agate]

Not if it's a system wide dependency like x11

[sharp lake]

Not every system has x11.

It's not like it's difficult to figure out what's missing anyway, you just run ldd on it and there's everything it was linked to
If you're building, and they don't have them listed, you'd have to figure it out manually either way

[prisma agate]

In that case, if a program wants to rely on a library at a specific version (which is totally reasonable to do, so it's more stable, if u don't need new features)
Then the best approach is to just statically link it

Basically the rule of thumb is statically link/vendor everything u rely on if u don't expect the systems you are targeting to have it, or if it's expected (like libc/x11/wayland) then just dynamically link it

There is an article that explains this better than me, let me find it

[sharp lake]

If it's super niche or a dependency made by your own team, then static linking makes sense
But otherwise you want to avoid it whenever possible
ffmpeg isn't niche, neither are things like mime, nss, etc

[prisma agate]

"JangaFX linux binary compatibility" (can't send links)

[stray pasture]

If its totally optional dependency inject and make it a service! 😄 grab when needed!

[vernal monolith]

hello everyone! anyone know how will be the servers? to create

[near raptor]

I am not sure I understand the question

[west elk]

java -jar hytale_server.jar

[vernal monolith]

will Hytale have public servers like Hypixel, created by the community? with minigames, etc

[near raptor]

Yes, though an official Hypixel server will launch later. But there will be community servers

[vernal monolith]

thank you! do you have plans to create one? 🙂

[near raptor]

Not sure yet

[sharp lake]

I'm gonna be more focused on making minigames that people could host themselves

[vernal monolith]

are you thinking about minigames like in hypixel? bedwars, skywars... or are you creating any new idea?

[sharp lake]

I don't really plan on re-implementing their games
I'll just be making miscellaneous party games basically
Possibly a few arena type things, depending on how the combat works in Hytale

[vernal monolith]

nice! i am anxious for it. good luck!!!

[west elk]

I have some minigame ideas I want to implement and tweak based on player feedback myself. Not looking for a tech support role for other people using my plugins (though they will be open source)

[tropic axle]

Is it possible to change the combat mechanics through the API? Like in one of the trailers they show a top down isometric shooter, so I think the specific mechanics can be modified

[silver cloak]

You will be able to change literally everything

We don't know if you will be able to do that day 1

But I have high hopes we will be able to cook lots of things day 1

[clear lodge]

I’ll definitely be planning to :)

[late bough]

whos hyped for pvp ?

[opal ridge]

combat looked fun

[late bough]

yea

[silver cloak]

cloudflare down again?

[west elk]

their status page says no problems

[sacred tulip]

If you can change everything why not just make a new game

Hopefully there are restrictions

[west elk]

because then you'd have to make everything

[silver cloak]

Why use Unreal Engine 5 if you can make your own ahhhh

[sacred tulip]

I think combat and movement are the two things that should not be changeable so much

[silver cloak]

Why? You can do whatever you want

You can already do it in minecraft, but there's no reason in making your own combat

[sacred tulip]

And perspective it should be forced 3d nothing 2d

[west elk]

what is the advantage of those restrictions?

[sacred tulip]

More consistent player experience

[west elk]

players can choose on which servers they want to play

[sacred tulip]

Better anticheats

[silver cloak]

You are not supposed to be consistent. That's why you make mods in the first place

[sacred tulip]

Mods not entirely new games

[silver cloak]

right

[west elk]

some servers will use hytale as a platform to make entirely new games

and they should have the ability to do that

[silver cloak]

Hytale's product is modding. Not cosmetics

[sacred tulip]

I know but modding should always come with restrictions

[west elk]

If you'd twist my arm and force me to put limitations anywhere, I'd put it on authentication. But that's about it

[west elk]

I disagree

[sacred tulip]

I see it way too confusing for players to join servers and have their perspective or movement changed

[west elk]

if players find your server confusing, that's your problem not Hytale's

[silver cloak]

Blame your game design

[stray pasture]

This just means you did it wrong. 😄 It is like ANY other game, do it right its intuitive

[silver cloak]

From what perspective are you saying "confusing". It hasn't been done before

How do you know it's confusing? It doesn't even exist

[west elk]

I see an advantage in a concise and well-rounded modding api that has clear boundaries. But with the server being shared-source and modifiable directly, I should be able to change anything I like about how my server processes the client's packets

[stray pasture]

I think he is saying just in general taking a game and flipping its systems may confuse players. - I disagree, but players may have tolerances and thresholds of what they are used to vs want to learn

[silver cloak]

That's true

[stray pasture]

Though I would be suprised if Hytale gave us full freedom of packets, again Client is the security measure here. If the server can do anything it wants for security restrictions still need to apply.

[west elk]

yeah I don't expect packet manipulation to be part of the native api, but with the source code it will be trivial to make a mixin/reflection thingy

[silver cloak]

I really really really want them to have a simple API for all. Source published to help out everyone

[tropic axle]

They're making the server source available

[silver cloak]

Yeah

[stray pasture]

I mean there for sure will be an API. - And ^ As stated there the source is going to be available.

[stray pasture]

I hope we get primitives 😄 - ECS means Entities have Components, those have systems

So intheory we address the entity we want and then direct component (Transform) this means we can make basically whatever we want without the client knowing what it is. Atomics/Primitives! (Pair a kite model to a player equipment and then a system (That system can also manipulate said primitives) - This is likely how we will have full control of anything we want to make without touching the client. (Was doing this for a game I was making, I just forgot about it entirly) 😂

Atomically composable systems

[silver cloak]

I am curious on how we will be able to add more animations

[stray pasture]

Content? Just an asset basically.

[silver cloak]

Yeah player

I guess we will be able to create a new animation in the player folder and call it within our plugins

[stray pasture]

Yeah that is my thought, just the same you would a model is my assumption.

[silver cloak]

Can't wait

I am also curious about the UI creation. I will probably make my own wrappers anyway

[stray pasture]

But an ECS is my thought to a truly manipulatable system at the atomic level, giving us every bit of freedom without having to send code to the client to understand the item. Data driven

[silver cloak]

generally I AM CURIOUS 😭

[stray pasture]

Well, if only we heard more about the architecutre. 😄

[slim mesa]

How would we know

[tropic zephyr]

bro your bio is littrally me in 2018 lmao

[prisma agate]

U can look at flecs (what they used for the cpp engine) it has amazing documentation, and u can use it to learn more about how ECS might work

[stray pasture]

Oh, I have written a rudimentary ECS. I know they aren't using FLECS in their legacy, but rather they stated they have one they them selves are developing.

[prisma agate]

Yeye, I was the one to ask silkey that

[stray pasture]

Oh gotcha. Yeah - I wonder why, but then I also don't care enough to question. 😄

I would also build one given the team and money, sounds fun! - But definitly very hard to arduouse to get a full feldged proper ECS going, takes years.

[prisma agate]

They made their own probably bcz java didn't have a good one already, and when they switched to cpp, it makes sense to use an already established, battle tested and highly performant existing one

[stray pasture]

Yeah I have no clue, could be 100 reasons why. Can't even make a reasonbly educated guess. 😛

Edit: They actually stated, when the swapped to C++ they used Flecs after learning that developing their own ECS is a lot of work - Now there stuck with it agian. 😄

The reason they chose to develop their own engine was for ownership, due to Hypixel and Minecraft - However Stride, Unity, Unreal etc could have provided the plumbing anyway. 😄 Ownership is ownership! Can't argue that!

Ah but it was 2015, nothing at that time was near good enough for voxel. 😄 They would have to essentially write the equivelant of their own engine anyway

[silver cloak]

They were mc modders I think it was easier for them to make an mc clone quickly because they knew the ins and outs

[stray pasture]

I definitely wouldn't put modding and full-blown engine development with the word "quickly" in the same sentence. 😄 - But I understand your sentiment. 😄

[silver cloak]

Quicker than using unity / anything else

[keen ember]

sorry :p but I also have it in MC so.. 😄

[stray pasture]

OH NO!!! THERE IS ANOTHER! 😄

THe unknighted version. 😄

[peak fjord]

Making a C# server was your goal ? Thats mine too

[fleet isle]

I wanted to poke around, see what would be possible. I might stick to Java for now

[fathom pelican]

Hey peeps , just stopping by to say hello to all

[woeful depot]

Hello

[bleak bluff]

anyone hear anything on when files will be released to make public community servers?

[fathom pelican]

If I had a ha’penny for every time I’d have to tell someone something along the lines of “no, we’re starving here”. I’d have enough money for a 4 course meal

Nope. We’re starving here

[bleak bluff]

be nice i'm just asking 😭 😂

[fathom pelican]

Sorry it wasn’t meant to be mean. More of a play on an old joke around here

[bleak bluff]

its ok i'm just gonna spam ping buddhacat

jk :p

[stray pasture]

One day. 😄 I answer the "language", "is it released", and "docs available" question ever day.

[arctic mist]

If for each of those questions, a name token would be given, the whole channel would have all the names already lol

[formal burrow]

Is it still possible to query if a username is taken or not

[arctic mist]

You would need to try it first, though if is not taken it will be assigned to you.

[fast turtle]

if it's not taken then your uuid will be assigned to it as you need the uuid/token as a parameter to query the db

[formal burrow]

there was an API link

[fast turtle]

anyone know how the graph interaction system will be released

[sharp lake]

probably with the client lol

[stray pasture]

There is incredibly little info. 😄 we just got the plugin blog to run off of.

[fast turtle]

not when lol like how it’d be released like as its own app, public on GitHub, etc. but ig no one knows so we will see in a month ig

[sharp lake]

my answer was for how, not when

[old zenith]

hai guys, any future hytale server owners i can get in contact with?

[sharp lake]

There's footage of them using an asset editor

[stray pasture]

Yeah, that is about it. 😄

[sharp lake]

Well yeah but there's no window borders or anything on it
Which makes it seem like the tooling is embedded in the client itself

It could've been recorded on Linux or something, which would explain the always-on-top and borderless behaviour
But the way Slikey was talking about Linux support made it seem like it was actually non-functional due to a few libraries, which has since been cleared up

The screenshot of the asset graph editor doesn't look like an embedded window though so
So maybe it's not, we know Blockbench isn't so

[stray pasture]

Yeah, there's just a lot we dont know yet.

[warped glen]

oo

[slow ibex]

is there any documentation out to start development?

[stray pasture]

... nope. 🙁

[slow ibex]

dang, thanks for the info.

[sacred tulip]

Nitrado and Apex were given early access maybe you can ask them

[nova void]

soo server is mostly on java and game itself?

[slow ibex]

ill go start making calls

[stray pasture]

Server is Java, people are already wanting to make adapters for languages. And port thrbserver to another language. Client is C#, but that doesn't matter. It will be compile C# AOT, and not moddable

[nova void]

soo its possible to make server c#?

I mean its always possible mostly if we do understand how networking works for game

[sacred tulip]

Yes you would have to understand the protocol though

People made Rust mc servers you will definitely be able to make a hytale server in C# Im guessing the documentation is much better

[hidden jasper]

yes, if you will have the time to rewrite all Java code.. but It's pointless to rewrite it to C#, try Rust, you get much better performance and better memory usage.. and also you have to do it super early, because if Java plugin ecosystem gets big, almost no one will want to use Rust server even if there will be performance gains

I think AI can shine at such rewrites, because it's only getting better, so you just tell the AI to rewrite it, but it will cost a lot of credit.. it would definitely do the basics but not everything will be perfect

[sacred tulip]

I guess the question is why would you want to

[stray pasture]

If the rewrite is better than the original it may just overtake. Just becayse its Java doesn't mean everyone does or enjoys writing Java. Plus there are different ways the server can function. Performance of language isnt just it, you have implementations of how systems run you get to decide as long as it sends the proper data. So ticking, generation, etc can all be re architechted

[stray pasture]

Ontop of this. You null and voided Folia, Hypixels custom MC server, paper, etc. Just use Vanilla. No reason to rewrite.

[hidden jasper]

more like no time to rewrite than no reason to rewrite

[sharp lake]

I don't think the rewrites would improve performance as much as they'd need to in order to be viable

You'd have to write better optimizations than whatever the Hytale team could churn out in Java

[tropic axle]

I think rewrites will only happen when people want to experiment with a different internal architecture with a significantly reduced set of features

[sharp lake]

And they have a lot of experience writing Java code that scales

[tropic axle]

Also there's a distinction between language bindings for the API and reimplementing the entire server in a specific langauge

[sharp lake]

Yeah, that's what I've been saying too

Language adapter seems like it could be viable, but a port wouldn't be
Especially given the fact that we have more than a year of guaranteed instability

It'll be early access and they wholly admit that it's broken, so the code-base will be changing constantly

[leaden oracle]

but a port wouldn't be

brb redoing the whole game in rust

[fathom pelican]

I look to the announcements channel the way a traveler looks to the eastern sky.

But it remains gray. Gray as a gathered storm that refuses to break. Gray as unlit earth.

I do not ask for the moon, nor the favor of kings. I yearn only for the pages

For those of us who wish to shape it, to build within its bones and teach it new tricks, there is nothing. No documentation. No maps to guide us through the architecture of its making. We are craftsmen handed tools with no handles, standing before a forge with no instruction on the bellows.

I tell myself that tomorrow, perhaps.

This is the shape of longing. Not sharp, but dull. Not a blade, but a stone worn smooth by repetition. I do not rage. I simply yearn for words on a page, for structure and syntax, for the secret names of things that would let me build.

Documentation.

I would wait a thousand days for it.

I suspect I may have to..

reference key: 1448505856512626730

[sharp lake]

omfg lol

idk if you wrote that, but I think the wrong Earth is used up top

"Gray as unlit earth" would work, and "Gray as an unlit Earth"

Just so that we can perfect the copy-pasta

[fathom pelican]

im gonna send it to everyone who asks from now on

[slow ibex]

you have such a way with words

[fathom pelican]

i just read too much YA

[sharp lake]

amen brother

We're not reading docs though 😍

[stray pasture]

Again, rewriting doesn't just mean performance. It's everything else too - architecture, how your server handles entities, for example. As long as the data matches, the game will still run.

When people want a rewrite, usually it's a better option than an adapter. Adapters take 5-20% overhead. This isn't good, especially in the gaming world. So in this case, a rewrite is usually most viable. However, you're correct in terms of instability.

Some may benefit from using a language they're far more comfortable with. Plus, anyone else who chooses can use that server.

Adapters also take time to create. Once you create a native server, you just need to make alterations when the protocol changes. The protocol is all that's important. If they're not changing protocol, your implementation works just the same.

Most of their changes will likely consist of implementation improvements, not data/protocol changes. "How do we make this algorithm faster?" - they update their server. However, you won't need to worry about that change. It doesn't concern the protocol or data contract.

Again, language performance is not all. There are architectural and syntactic choices you can make that make a big difference. Fifty Java engineers doesn't directly mean they specialize purely in performance. Nor does performance specialization mean expertise in the specific domain they're working in.

The Minecraft community proved this many times over. There's always more than one way to skin a cat.

In practicality for stability writing your own native server may actually prove more reliable and robust given you know what you want and how you want it.

[sharp lake]

Once you create a native server, you just need to make alterations when the protocol changes. The protocol is all that's important. If they're not changing protocol, your implementation works just the same.

There's more than just the protocol compatibility, there's the feature parity
And that's the part that would be time consuming to keep up with, and that's why a language adapter would be more practical
If you make an adapter, you don't have to keep up with re-implementing the protocol or features

Most of their changes will likely consist of implementation improvements, not data/protocol changes. "How do we make this algorithm faster?" - they update their server. However, you won't need to worry about that change. It doesn't concern the protocol or data contract.

I don't think it's a safe assumption at all to say that most of their changes will just be implementation improvements
It's a half-baked project that died 6 years ago

[tropic axle]

It's way more likely that performance driven developers will work on a fork rather than a reimplementation. They're also open to code fixes and contribution, compared to solely closed source titles, so these performance forks could lead to upstream benefits for everyone.

[kindred crescent]

In fact, they talked about bounties. That could be quite the incentive

[fathom pelican]

Feature parity scares me. Gonna be tough to maintain plugins early. I’ll open source mine and do what I can until I get too tired. But so long as I help someone that’s good enough for me.

[stray pasture]

Feature parity is not required, you may lack features if you choose. This is common to not support nor keep up with every update sent out. - Specialized servers or servers who only care or need specifics and none others. (This would be very time consuming if you were trying to parity) If you were to parity, adapters still get them them, but it usually is less work.

I don't think it's a safe assumption at all to say that most of their changes will just be implementation improvements
It's a half-baked project that died 6 years ago

• Yep and this is where the work would come in, if they change any protocols you added you need to make sure you bring that change.

Then again, I have my reasons for a rewrite native, but also I have other reasons for just an adapter. - Both are stuff I want to do!

[sharp lake]

I'd say feature parity is required for it to be a practical alternative

[fringe ore]

Boyz...the bug finding game that will come out will be insane starting jan 13

It will be good tho with such a large following right out of the gate

[red badge]

Im sure when the game releases they wont release anything new for a little bit. I bet 100% priority will go to fixing issues and bugs

Honestly when you release a game thats the best time to not update cause theres already an entire game to play

[kindred crescent]

But they don't have a game lol

Like yeah there's stuff to do, but there's still a lot missing. I'm sure we'll see "new" stuff that are just things that were yet to be done. It's not like it's 5 developers all working on bugs. It's 40+ devs. They could have 10-15 people working on buys and the others work on other stuff 🙂

[stray pasture]

I'm going to guess they really only have had the "vertical slice" a really polished focused section to show the image of the game, which means your likely very correct there will be very much new things added and likely often. Bug fixes are bound to be a big priority aswell. But why bugnfix a game when you know your going to break it 15 times over in the first update. 😄

So it is likely they will fix bugs as the release new content.

[vernal niche]

☕

[stone owl]

my friend made his account 2 days ago and got it yesterday

it took him 1 day to get the token

[fleet isle]

I also got a token for being a valued member of Hypixel Minecraft server, so check those emails too cause there might be a token waiting without you knowing.

[ornate wind]

I wonder how much boiler plate I can create for a set of admin commands before I need to wait for any documentation

[silver cloak]

they mentioned we will get docs but won't include everything

Someone will def make documentation though

[errant condor]

will we be able to setup servers directly at release ?

[errant condor]

welp you got another penny

[west elk]

Yes

[silver cloak]

What are you guys planning on making?

[sacred tulip]

Nothing yet I'm going to play the game first

[primal shoal]

^ but after that I'll just get familiar with the plugin api

[faint fable]

Very much looking forward to seeing what the modding community comes up with 💙

[primal pelican]

i wonder when i want to make test on some player to see something and i dont have someone to test with me can i open two clients with same account ?

[agile bolt]

It will probably be very similar to Spigot, could even build the plugins out abstracted in Minecraft and port them over beforehand

[west elk]

No, I don't see a possibility where the server let's you join multiple times with the same account

[kindred crescent]

At first, I'll make my first world and enjoy the game.
After, I'll start trying stuff by building. I might start with a simple parkour map.
Then, I want to start exploring what can be done dungeon-wise.
Finally, I'ld like to do dungeon crawlers and/or adventure maps 🙂

Will I end up doing all of this? Probably not 🙁

[silver cloak]

Very nice

[stray pasture]

And I am a big fan of infrastructure. I am not a huge gamer anymore so I will likely be working on infrastructure tools and systems. Maybe some game stuff but likely not.

[silver bronze]

Oh I highly appreciate this. Would be nice to have Pterodactly support for Hytale and such etc.

[sharp lake]

I don't see a possibility where they could stop us 🙈
You'd just have disable auth, which they'd probably allow us to do anyway

For development it makes sense

[west elk]

It's not an auth issue, it's a uuid issue

you can probably modify the server to give connecting players a random uuid to make it work

[still smelt]

i pray with better options to make servers with friends and not enter again on aternos

[west elk]

Hamachi 😉

[still smelt]

better...

[rich solar]

Its the only correct way... 🙂

[sharp lake]

LOL it'd be nice to be able to share and sync cloud saves of some kind
And then anyone could play and host

Could be a nice plugin to put together

Would fix the main problem with just using a VPN, which is the always on server

[west elk]

plugin that simply opens a cloudflare tunnel

[sharp lake]

Are those free usually? A gigabyte of cloud storage is usually

[still smelt]

if this makes playing multiplayer more faster and smooth, yes, and please, and thankyou, have a nice day

[calm python]

Some tests and documentation

Devblogs and all that stuff

[silver cloak]

Same actually

I really want to focus on combat testing and combat modding

[rich solar]

Supposedly parkervcp or Pelican directly is going to have a egg/yolk ready for hytale pretty quickly. At least from what I heard. But I already created a custom docker and egg for my panel. So I wouldn't worry too much about it as one will be out quickly either way

[fervent bronze]

i am thinking of doing a discord integrations mod (maybe) using plugins :D

[sharp lake]

What features did you have in mind?

[fervent bronze]

have cross-platform roles. Like, you can know what level in a hytale server a user has just by the discord server

[rich solar]

Yeah that’s what I was doing too! I have most of the backend built for it lol

[fervent bronze]

oh cool! The only thing is that there are people who already did a wrapper for java

:/

anyway i feel like just like one of 2 people who wants the same thing, so they work together to get it faster, but i don't think that will happen 😅

[rich solar]

I mean its like spigot. Many many versions of similar plugins exist. Im focusing more so on private projects myself.

[fervent bronze]

oh ok

[errant condor]

a fully modded server, can't wait to explore spell creations and such, badass spells/vfx could be very cool
teamed up with a bunch of dev friends we be ready to decompile that day 1

[silver cloak]

🙏

Countless sleepness nights incoming!! I got some insane ideas in mind I wanna push into the world

[errant condor]

ahaha lets gooo

[fervent bronze]

but i also have plan b. MAKING A HYTALE VERIFICATION BOT!!! Basically, you'll be only able to join a hytale server if you have a hytale account :D
Just like in Roblox where there are bots called RoVer and RoLink :D

[arctic mist]

This, really want to explore magic system and how far can Vanilla spells can be pushed

[fervent bronze]

But i need the hytale api, which is still nto available

[devout cipher]

i would also very much like a login with hytale oauth ;p

doubt we'll get it for a while though.

[silver cloak]

Why are you guys saying that? Did they say they won't have any auth?

[fervent bronze]

where?

[silver cloak]

oh

What's the hytale verification bot for?

[arctic mist]

I'm with you, there shouldn't be any issues to authenticate to a server if you have already a Hytale account, much like Minecraft Servers (without offline mode)

[fervent bronze]

you must verify that you have an hytale account to join a hytale server.?

[west elk]

They mean "you'll be only able to join a discord server if you have a hytale account"

[fervent bronze]

ye :D

[silver cloak]

Ahhh a hytale related discord server you mean?

[fervent bronze]

yep

[silver cloak]

Ahhh ye I am pretty sure we shall have that soon after launch!

[fervent bronze]

so that it's harder for raids, or like, idk, people who don't have hytale???

[silver cloak]

Yeah! oAuth would be nice

[fervent bronze]

yes, i am looking forward for an official api to access hytale avatar images, etc

[devout cipher]

wont nearly avatar image look the same

[fervent bronze]

i might even integrate a discord-hytale connection

[silver cloak]

there are always workarounds incase they dont add that

[fervent bronze]

yeah, but it'll be hard 😔

[silver cloak]

I am glad they have a built in server anticheat!

[fervent bronze]

anyway, i think i might start doing the discord bot

[fervent bronze]

oh they did? a that's nice

[silver cloak]

Yeah

[rich solar]

So far I have integrated a discord bot and app shop into the backend for my hytale dev suite. Ive created most of the systems for linking. All that I really have left to do is build the hytale connections once the API is released 🙂

[west elk]

if they don't release an oauth api at the start of early access, you can add a /link command on your server for discord-hytale linking

[rich solar]

That is probably going to be the method used in EA

[fathom pelican]

Search “eastern” in this channel.

[fervent bronze]

nothing appeared but people saying 'eastern' in time related stuff :/

[viscid wren]

DonutSMP plugins pls

[sharp lake]

wat

ask them lol

[stray pasture]

That tale is going to age like fine wine.

[formal burrow]

bruh i literally had a dream yesterday where I read a girl's bio and she said she had traveled both to the farthest east and the farthest west. what i read in the dream gave me the same vibes as what you wrote here

[stray pasture]

Gives me "Journey To The West" vibes. 😄 (not east)

[vernal niche]

[rich solar]

Cheater using outside emotes when us plebs cant

[sharp lake]

Omg I just checked #game-discussion and they're still not discussing the game lmao
It's all username reservations

[near raptor]

I claimed the username game-discussion, what are you gonna do about it

I tried getting server-plugins, but someone else already got it. So sad.

[fathom pelican]

ill take what i can get in this economy

[fathom pelican]

yeah i gotta use something more niche. searching "unlit earth" works

[fervent bronze]

1448505856512626730?

still nothing

[fathom pelican]

yeah its that one haha. first time i see someone reference a chat by uuid

[fervent bronze]

you wrote the entire dictionary right there

[fathom pelican]

i edited it to have 1448505856512626730. now searching by that absolutly would make it appear.

[fervent bronze]

ok

[sharp lake]

it's technically a snowflake and not a uuid

[fathom pelican]

youre right but i refuse to aknowledge a companies attempt to be cute. a snowflake is a uuid, and a "guild" is a server.

[sharp lake]

snowflake is a recognized datatype 😭 it's not the same as a uuid

[fathom pelican]

TIL

[near raptor]

Snowflake is not just Discord :p

I think it came from Twitter?

[fathom pelican]

only ever seen it in discord docs

[sharp lake]

look it up on wikipedia

[fathom pelican]

Snowflake IDs (64-bit) are time-sortable, compact integers ideal for high-performance distributed systems needing ordered, efficient IDs (timestamp + node + sequence). UUIDs (128-bit) offer global uniqueness and versatility (especially random v4) but are larger, less efficient for indexing, and not inherently sortable (v1/v6 are exceptions)

[sharp lake]

discord, instagram, twitter, mastadon, probably more platforms using them

[fathom pelican]

time based. guess it makes sense for chats

[sharp lake]

yeah that's the main purpose of them i think

[fathom pelican]

i made a discord clone once but i just set chats as a uuid with a timestamp column in postgress. worked exactly the same. this is a good example of a dev somewhere wanting to micro optimize something and i will die on that hill

[sharp lake]

how is a guild being cute anyway 💀 they have been guilds internally since forever
"server" is the user-facing term and that's what they use in the UIs

[sharp lake]

why would you use more bits when you don't need them, and why would you store an extra timestamp to sort with instead of just using snowflakes

[fathom pelican]

hence micro optimize. realistically it makes no difference to the user. this is stuff we care about as devs. storage is so cheap and networks are so fast the difference is almost none existent.

[sharp lake]

discord is literally a platform with millions of users
doubling the storage requirements of your message ids is not a negligible amount

[fathom pelican]

i should have added a "to most apps" disclaimer

[stray pasture]

More ranfomization less of a chance to create a singularity, and plus imagine migrating discord data...

[sharp lake]

a singularity?

[stray pasture]

Thats what I call the basically impossible chance of a guid matching and nuking another

[sharp lake]

it's per channel and time based, i don't think it's possible for snowflakes to collide

normally we call that "collision"

[woeful mesa]

I have a question. Will hytale be like a "server side game engine" where server/plugin developers actually make the game while using the hytale client as a "universal renderer"? like how minecraft kinda is nowadays - but I'd assume the server side development will be much less dependant to the core game unlike minecraft? Or am I just wrong

[stray pasture]

That's why they are snowflakes. 😄 - GUIDs have a improbable possibility

[sharp lake]

i mean you did say "this is a good example of a dev somewhere wanting to micro optimize"
which is like, the opposite of this

[sharp lake]

yes, the client will basically be a universal renderer

[fathom pelican]

wonder how precise they are , if time based. like CAN they collide ?

[stray pasture]

Jc where is that message again? 😄

[sharp lake]

they're in milliseconds but also has 12 more bits for sequence, so you'd need more than a thousand messages a millisecond in a channel to get a collision

[stray pasture]

Kugelbltz is such a cool name.

Imma be saying kugelbltz for the next few hours now

[fathom pelican]

i dont want to immedietly send them to it beacause i feel like theres some info on on what hes asking and someone else knows more than me

[sharp lake]

The core game is basically just a built-in plugin, all the items and stuff are data-driven
Which means you can just delete them and replace them as you'd like
The client will just roll with it

[woeful mesa]

thank you thats how I picked the nick lol.

[glass crag]

does anyone know how long a uuid will be?

[woeful mesa]

thats AWESOME, I love that. do we access to the server api? (by this I mean like spigot) the existence of this channel makes me assume that lol.

[fathom pelican]

if youre looking for documentation search for 1448505856512626730 in discord for this channel

[stray pasture]

The CAN but it is mathematically improbable. If they do never buy a lottery ticket after

[woeful mesa]

that was fast

[sharp lake]

it's because he's messing with you

[glass crag]

the uuid will be? *

[sharp lake]

We don't have access yet, you can read more about it via the blog post on their website

[woeful mesa]

😔 😔

[fathom pelican]

hey , shelbie is not wrong but also youre missing out on some good lore

[stray pasture]

However long the UUIDs are. Maybe the url of hypixel website account has it?

[glass crag]

just trying to setup postgres, shot in the dark and go safe with 64?

[woeful mesa]

wth 😭 lol

[near raptor]

You can view your account ID on the Hytale website, which seems to be a UUID. So it is likely that it will use just regular UUIDs like MC

[woeful mesa]

i guess this question is being asked a lot

[stray pasture]

128 bits? Thats standard.

[sharp lake]

UUIDs are always the same length

[near raptor]

UUIDs are 2x a Long

[turbid rose]

My biggest wonder is how server hosting will be and DDoS prot 👀

[stray pasture]

By you

[near raptor]

DDoS protection is not inherit to Hytale, that's up to where you host it

[fathom pelican]

ehh i mean if you host your own server its essentially similar to any other server im guessing

[turbid rose]

Yeah I know that ahha

[stray pasture]

Cloudflare!!!!!

[turbid rose]

$20k bill later

[near raptor]

Cloudflare is $$$, there are some other ways to achieve it

[sharp lake]

i'm easily ddos'd 😔

[fathom pelican]

see i used to say cloudflare but the amount of trouble ive had with it recently at work has been mindnumbing

[turbid rose]

Really?! I love their infrastructure so much

[near raptor]

Don't woirry, Cloudflare is also having lots of trouble with itself lately

[fathom pelican]

they keep going down... causing alot of global systems to fail. if they dont go down its some other issue that impacts people...

[near raptor]

I think GCP hasn't had a major incident yet this year, so maybe we gotto go there

[turbid rose]

In all fairness, was it not just that one period the other week for 2 hours? For the first time in years a global outage

[fathom pelican]

i cant remember, i just know ive had servers down because of them more than once which is how i measure it. time gets fuzzy as you get older

they dont also publicize everytime theyre down... if they can help it

[sharp lake]

How many of you guys have actually had a DDoS attack done on your server 💀

[woeful mesa]

I love it when the entire world relies on one infrastructure. I love AWS. I love cloudflare. I love azure. I want everything to fail if one company has a hiccup

[fathom pelican]

never

[turbid rose]

Should see our Cloudflare yearly summary

[fathom pelican]

if your server is getting DDosed then at that point it means youre popular and can probably afford to increase your infrastructure tbh

no group is running a mass ddos attack on felipes cooking blog

[sharp lake]

Maybe we should speculate on the port number Hytale is going to use lmfao
12345? Maybe it'll be 42069, who knows!

[near raptor]

25565

[fervent bronze]

17592

[sharp lake]

LMAO purposely picking a collision

[sharp lake]

That'd be an interesting one
Maybe they'll do 25113

[fervent bronze]

i just smashed my keyboard to get that number

[sharp lake]

Maybe they'll just pick a flat number like 5200

[fathom pelican]

3000 😎

[sharp lake]

Artful

[fathom pelican]

bananna taped to canvas

[fervent bronze]

brotato chips this ain't dod 🙏

[sharp lake]

what

[fervent bronze]

dodling

[sharp lake]

That's not a word!

[stray pasture]

Nah. Thats easy on the fly stuff.

[fervent bronze]

dooo bdoo bdoo bdoo bdooy

[vernal niche]

Hahahaha

[sharp lake]

We could truly see into the mind of Simon if we figure it out though

[sharp lake]

Do you guys get a lot of DDoS attempts 😭

[stray pasture]

I ratherbstay out of his mind. I'm sure its very stressful.

[sharp lake]

I think he's probably thrilled at the moment

[turbid rose]

I don't know about Minecraft as not been around minecraft for a long old time, but being in the FiveM industry our provider got hit with 1Tbps+ attacks constantly in 2025

The game industry is dark

[sharp lake]

GTA has a much older audience, and the majority of their players openly used malicious tools
So I'm not surprised that GTA has attacks like that

I'd imagine the majority of Minecraft servers never get DDoS'd, with a few select servers taking on like 90+% of attacks

[tropic axle]

Easily 99%+

[sharp lake]

But Andre probably has a good idea firsthand of the distributions

[vernal niche]

Like... Dozens a day. It's just daily business

[sharp lake]

Do you know whether they're usually against the same targets? Or if it's a somewhat even spread

What if we're just really really nice people and then nobody will want to DoS us

😍😍😍

[fathom pelican]

anyone DDosing peters crochete tutorial blogs has to be bored.

[woeful mesa]

I don't know much about the first phase of hytale but as far as I can remember developers from hypixel server were hired to the hytale's development (correct me if im wrong) - and since hypixel is running on a spigot fork I assume that the developer api will be fairly similiar to spigot api. Thoughts?

[fathom pelican]

replied to wrong message -.-

feels like most of the internet is pretty bad now anyways. you got the main incumbents from the big tech companies festering with bots and AI slop content and this is also snuffing out alot of what made the internet good back in the day. i remember web rings in the early 2000s and people treating websites as their little corner of the internet. dead internet theory is real. it says alot when you see companies backing out of aquisition deals or getting major discounts when they see most of the traffic is bots.

[fathom pelican]

assumptions is all we can do at the moment

[sharp lake]

I wouldn't bet on their similarity

[stray pasture]

I'm really bad at assuming

[fathom pelican]

i havent touched any kotlin for this reason. i can only guess at whats being supported early on and on whats being implimented later

[tropic axle]

I hope there's a push to foster a decentralized server community, so we don't get massive siloing with a handful of networks. If there's not any builtin tools for networking with other players outside of servers, there definitely should be some made by the community.

[fathom pelican]

unfortunately this will prob happen because capitalism. larger youtubers and their managers will look to monetize their networks and will have resources and followings to make them central. however if modding is good enough we might see a bit of an indie scene

[tropic axle]

Bedrock is adding a feature that lets players create a 'party' that they can use to migrate between different servers, it be nice to see a feature like that here. Hypixel's party system is such a simple way to let people easily move their friends between minigames on the server, but it'd be nice to see that functionality expanded to the entire internet of servers.

[fathom pelican]

that would be cool

[sacred tulip]

They still need to finish the core game first

[fathom pelican]

this hit me like a ton of reality bricks

[vernal niche]

I actually held a devcom talk about this a few years back. It's pretty crazy how many server communities DDoS each other because one is a spot ahead on some random server list website

[fathom pelican]

does this accomplish anything ? alot of ddos protections suites are built to handle the equivalent of small countries targeting a customer. just wondering of those server owners, who actually has the resources to spend on being so petty

[vernal niche]

So this doesn't necessarily hold true for Minecraft because it uses TCP, but basically all UDP DDoS protections (vast majority of games) are... Bad.

[tropic axle]

That does sound like a nightmare D:

[tidal mauve]

i mean, udp is quite uh arbitrary in its contents

maybe if you know in advance what you expect you can make a better system but idk

[vernal niche]

We wanted to buy a DDoS protection solution but they all sucked so we built our own. My name is literally on a patent for this lol #whateverTheOppositeOfAHumbleBragIs

[fathom pelican]

wonder how much of this will be an issue at launch, i cant imagine THAT many big servers will start within even 4 months of launching with how rough the game is. could give people and devs a chance to figure it out and for hypixel to iron out some kinks

[vernal niche]

Before that sneaky edit of yours I was debating with myself if I wanted to know what an ekink is

[fathom pelican]

i personally think this game will get an initial launch hype, you get the usuals who havent really followed whats going on, then balance out once alot leave due to how rough it is. which honestly wouldnt be so bad. @vernal niche ive never edited something that fast before and you still caught it

literally spent the last 2 hours browsing youtube and chatting on discord. at this point one must accept i dont feel like coding today and the day will be taken off. cant force focus

[tidal mauve]

i think the bigger issue at launch would be quic lol

or well it being blocked in some countries

[fathom pelican]

rip china

[tidal mauve]

do you have a link to that talk

[fathom pelican]

speaking of, i like the SEO on the site. cant tell if the name is that unique or youre just ranking well but very easy to find on google

[stray pasture]

Most likely.

[vernal niche]

Yeah bot still hates links

youtu dot be/Y8iuXpQXBg8?si=lFNK9-w-Jzo4PYk0

This was in the middle of covid. Production quality is.. a result of its time

[safe pendant]

Do you know when the server files and SDK will be shared?

[fathom pelican]

[sharp lake]

Decompiled jar will be enough to get started anyway so
I'm not going to be waiting for that

[vernal niche]

I hope Slikey doesn't kill me for this but you get very far with just the server jar

[sharp lake]

Yeah, I'm not particularly surprised by that
Obfuscation is what makes it more of a pain, and even then it wasn't that obscenely difficult, thanks to community talent mostly
And that's not something we need to worry about here, yay
So I'm not actually waiting for the day the docs and source arrive, just the game 😍

[main moon]

Recaf is amazing at this

[sharp lake]

I'm excited to try it

[tidal mauve]

jdgui my beloved

[formal burrow]

What matters is if random people are willing to watch longforms and shorts of the game

That's the actual marketing. It's how minecraft blew up and it's their only hope, not just twitter

[fathom pelican]

Reading the comments here I just gotta wait till you all make the game more playable before joining in. I’ve been debating wether or not to just wait 5 months to check the growth and improvements of the game

How in the world is game-discussion still all username related.

Welp. Off to see the game awards

[stray pasture]

And they are still goin...

[sharp lake]

I was literally about to comment on it and suggest they needed a thread 😭

What even was discussed in that channel before this whole fiasco with reservations?

[stray pasture]

Good luck, I am sure its 1k plus messages.

[sharp lake]

I think there are some people just lying about the names they have 💀
I was reading through this one person's messages and they've said like 8 names that they allegedly own

"Thoth"?

[ornate wind]

egyptian god of wisdom/magic

all the greek god names got sniped

[sharp lake]

i just have my minecraft username lol

WhyMe

On February 1st, any names that were reserved but weren't purchased will go free
So I'mma try to snipe one on the 1st lol

I was going to try to snipe one when pre-orders opened, but I didn't expect them to do this broken token system lol
So I just went with one of my actual usernames

Lmao could build a plugin that distorts the names of users with dictionary-guessable usernames
Like Divine → D1vine, or XxDivinexX, just randomly, using UUID as seed

Double the length of any 3 or 4 character name if it's not in the dictionary

Cqe → CqeCqe, C_q_e or whatever

[stray pasture]

That would be useful!

[sharp lake]

Useful is definitely arguable 😂
It would cause whining almost instantly, bc the people with names like that are almost certainly going to be whiners

[stray pasture]

But them streamers!

[stray pasture]

When I tuned into the Game Awards I see the muppets... And Muppets talking about Discord and games... What have I stumbled upon?

[rose atlas]

cant wait until they discover hytale's "null" version

[sharp lake]

what do you mean?

[rose atlas]

Lame horror mod joke

[sharp lake]

Oh

[frail glacier]

complete noob here - anyone know anyhting i should learn/get familiarzed with before hytale launches to have a headstart in creating server plugins for hytale servers?

[rose atlas]

Just learn Java.

[frail glacier]

bet

[stray pasture]

Step one, don't ask about documentation. 😄

For the life of all of us here, wait for it to be released

[frail glacier]

just got some ideas i want built so imma just get a headstart to learn what i must

[stray pasture]

This is the attitude I like! - Go for it! What ya thinkin anyway?

[frail glacier]

Faction style plugins like in minecraft, but better with some tweaks as a start, then after that anything my noggin thinks off

[stray pasture]

Grand start! - You should be able to get some of the business logic written then just tie it in when we get access, gives ya a lovely head start.

[rose atlas]

I think plugins should be more unique... sure. We can have factions.. but not a 1:1 copy.. make actual proper content.

[frail glacier]

sounds good, got some friends helping so should be more efficient to, thnx for pointing me in the right direction

[frail glacier]

yeah my faction server is gonna be more original, i just needed a direction to be pointed towards, not looking for 1:1 copies, i need a head start cause we got a lot of written ideas that we never saw in minecraft we want to implement

[stray pasture]

This is how I think, I hope people start to specialize their plugins into the niches they define. Take the Hypixel approach and dig their roots into it, make it a foundation. ya know?

[rose atlas]

Factions that doesnt require you to make giant stone walls

[fleet hemlock]

Did we get a good list of the information that is being given around how servers function and their api and such?

[sharp lake]

You can look at the blog post and see everything we have

[vernal niche]

[sacred tulip]

I had fun with the cosmicpvp end style you could knock higher ranked players into the void using knockback shovels and their gear would drop on you.

The only way out of the end was the end portal and there would be high loot events in the end to attract highly geared and high level players

[frail glacier]

Noted, thnx for the suggestion

[main moon]

Wassup

[polar steeple]

can someone make Essentials but for Hytail

• Hytall

• Hytale

[flint marsh]

I HAVE QUS HYTALE SERVER PLUGIN TYPE ?

JAVA OR JS ?

[west elk]

Java

[flint marsh]

JAVA ?

[west elk]

Java.

[flint marsh]

CHAT GPT SAYING ME JS

[west elk]

so who're you gonna trust?

[flint marsh]

.........................

[tired pasture]

lul

[west elk]

go to the hytale website and read the blog post about modding

[flint marsh]

K

AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUS

CAN I RUN A SERVER ?

[west elk]

when the game comes out in early access, yes

[flint marsh]

OK WITH NEED SOFTWAR TO RUN SERVER JAVA ?

[west elk]

you'll likely only need the jre

java -jar hytale-server.jar

[flint marsh]

JRE ?

[tropic axle]

JRE is the Java Runtime Environment, it's the program that actually runs a java application. If you have a system that can run the Java 25 version of the JRE, you can run the Hytale server.

[west elk]

you need to improve your prompting skills

[flint marsh]

🥲

[west elk]

or you'll keep getting gaslit by llms

give it the link to the modding blog post and ask it if that changes its opinion

[misty gyro]

why dem capslock bro

[round sentinel]

is there anything posted about hosting servers just yet?

[flint marsh]

IDK

[round sentinel]

thanks very helpful

[round sentinel]

will the server jar come with the game?
i’m very interested in hosting

[flint marsh]

GOOD Question

[round sentinel]

cause i have a VPS so id like to use that

[vernal niche]

It's already been confirmed that the single player just launches a local server, so the server will be bundled with the game client.

[round sentinel]

Oh my God i love this team

simon my lord

[vernal niche]

There may also be additional ways to get the server

[round sentinel]

how big of a player base you guys think will fit on your biggest package?

[vernal niche]

Performance testing is still ongoing. I guess it's safe to say that max players will be pretty usage dependent. Minecraft also behaves very differently between many people in one place, and few people but all spread out generating chunks.

[round sentinel]

will the servers you provide keep with specs similar to other games you offer?

you guys my ark OG of course

[vernal niche]

Yes and no. Our Hytale offering will work slightly differently. Details in the next few days

[round sentinel]

i’ll have to keep an eye on you guys then

[misty gyro]

lets say plain server without plugins how many will fit without crash? with how much memory

[silver bronze]

Anything you can tell about performance with small worlds/minigames for example? Just curious if high RAM usage is due to the world itself or other factors

[west elk]

We will only know once Hytale publishes their test results

[misty gyro]

i know i just asked andré not long ago the same question

[west elk]

He's under NDA

[misty gyro]

ik

[daring lodge]

hopefully it can run on 200mb ram or will jvm eat that

[gleaming temple]

you kidding, trolling or mistyped mb instead of gb?

[daring lodge]

mb

[karmic bane]

Hytale won't run on 200mb of RAM

[daring lodge]

cuz of jvm overhead or the game itself

[wheat vale]

realisticly plan at least 2GB RAM
maybe 1GB but i would not really count on that

it would be sort of on track with what minecraft uses
but early access it might also memory leak or be very unoptimized so we just dont know

[karmic bane]

I mean.. both. JVM Memory Overhead depends on lot of factors and is configurable, but expect like atleast ~240 MB of code cache on modern HotSpot builds. But definitely, the Hytale server itself needs more than that to consume even basic tasks

[daring lodge]

but for single player it should def be less i think, a chunk is probably 3mb, a single player maybe is loading 50 chunks, maybe another 150mb for entities and needed for ticking

[karmic bane]

A game does not store only game content in memory, there are a lot of architectural nuances that just require a base amount of memory. And even with that calculation you're at 300 mb minimum

[wheat vale]

there is no real number to assume on that
there are way to many factors and possible data they store or not store

[gleaming temple]

why we discussing if a game in 2025 can run on 200mb on ram .. srsly?

[wheat vale]

maybe because this is a technical channel? and that is a technical topic?
you know just throwing that in the room might be a reason

[daring lodge]

unrelated but ram is expensive again thanks to AI bubble

[west elk]

Minimum system requirements for single player says 8 GB of RAM ;)

[daring lodge]

for the server?

[prisma agate]

I am really glad I bought 64gb ddr5 ram in April

[west elk]

Single player (client+server)

[daring lodge]

yes but its just spinning up a server

[tidal mauve]

96gb of ddr5 in August for ~190$

what a steal really

[karmic bane]

Yeah but the "single player server" is deeply woven into the client for the differences it has to a dedicated server. You don't "just" spin up the server in single player and be well, it's 8 GB

[tidal mauve]

can buy a car with that much ram these days

[prisma agate]

Wait what, my 64gb costed 300usd ish

It was CL30 and 6000MT tho

[tidal mauve]

mine is
KVR56S46BD8-48

5600 cl46 lol

[prisma agate]

Ah then that's why, I wanted 6k so it syncs nicely with my 9950x

[karmic bane]

I wouldn't go beyond 5600MT ever lmao, but the 64GB 5600MT CL36 12FWL I am looking for is 600$ currently 💀

[tidal mauve]

yeeh this one was for 8845HS so laptop ram

[prisma agate]

Ye ram prices r 2x now it's crazy, I can sell my ram and make 400usd profit

[tidal mauve]

and i think it was the only 48gb shtick from reputable brand st the time

[tidal mauve]

its like 6x in some particular cases

crazy

[prisma agate]

For which ram

[tidal mauve]

32gb ddr5

from 7.8k rubs to 43k rubs

[silver cloak]

I would love to see phone prices in 2026

[versed bronze]

sell your kidney .. you only need one^^

[arctic lark]

I only have 16 I wish I would have bit the bullet and got 32. Cause now it's over $100 to get my other 16gb

[formal burrow]

Unless the supply chain for providing rams to datacenters changes (because there is ALWAYS a guaranteed supply for businesses and the government) it might be safer to rent a server for a year straight if you find a good price.

[fervent bronze]

i am curious: do you guys think we'll be able to get information about a player by its username or 'id'

[formal burrow]

If you are absolutely sure you are going to need the dedicated server and can fill it up with players and make a profit,

[stray pasture]

Well its one of those!

[formal burrow]

People were getting stalked for just being Hypixel friends and they shut off the ability completely to see other people's Hypixel's friends via the API years ago. Plancke who made the famous Hypixel player stats tool is currently on the Hytale team. Expect there to be immense privacy settings due to compliance and due to the fact people used the Hypixel Network data to it's max to track family members/friends down for collectors to buy Skyblock stuff

to be fair if someone tracked you down IRL to buy a stupid set of in-game armor and offered $10k, it'd be both freaky and both a good deal at the same time, i don't know how anyone would trust a dude who'd go to those lengths to get something as dumb as a set of digital armor

[fervent bronze]

actually i just wanted to get the username of a player and/or cosmetics

not they're friends

[formal burrow]

that's what people used back then to literally find their family members to reach out to them IRL to buy stuff from them, it got that bad they shut it off from the API entirely

[fervent bronze]

oh wow

that's, not that cool...

vro, why does EVERY single project i want to do gets destroyed by admins or players (to be fair, i actually find it fair) 😔

[formal burrow]

to be honest, if someone was refusing to take a showers just to play a game for hundreds to thousands of hours, not getting a job

it's not too surprising there are crazy collectors out there who actually have a job

[fervent bronze]

bro i already programmed the ENTIRE BOT 😔

why.... :<

[stray pasture]

It is possible they will provide the friend o frastructure which follows their privacy systems. So it maybe still the same just with some systems in place to allow it to gracefully fail if not allowed.

[fervent bronze]

ok

[silver cloak]

They will def implement that after launch

Right now they mentioned multiplayer sharing is by a unique invitation code

[stray pasture]

I assume for co-op? I like it. Sounds like their going to have some infrastructure that isnt UPnP 😄 relay system is nice and secure!

[silver cloak]

Yeah co op

I wonder if we will be able to drag n drop plugins into our worlds

For modding

[viscid wren]

Maybe for multi player servers but idk about single player

[silver cloak]

Every world is a server instance so I wouldn’t be surprised if they added plugin support

It’s not different than a hosted server. You just run it locally

[viscid wren]

Yep

[stray pasture]

It likely will (it is modding) - mod your world makes plentiful sense.

[silver cloak]

Yeah it's probably that

[cerulean tundra]

So, if I am not mistaken, it seems that the devs won't support content distribution upon launch, is that correct?

I mean an official website, like vintage story does for example

[silver cloak]

Positively yes

[tidal mauve]

imgur com/a/ChAjiLK

dont worry man im all set i dont need to rent

[formal burrow]

when GPUs were being bought in masses for crypto and HDDs were being bought in masses to mine crypto (Chia)

there already was a supply chain for the businesses and government, so there was no GPU shortage for those people who run datacenters. However, seeing what Micron/Crucial has done, it's quite a scary idea that they could just cut off the consumers just because

[cerulean tundra]

That's sad

[stray pasture]

Dats a baby rack! 😄 (jk don't hurt me)

[tidal mauve]

i really wanted one but the big boi racks dont fit through the door

so i chose the one without like external walls or doors

and even then i had to replace the sticking out screws with the flathead ones

[tired pasture]

knock knock, it's me , DDos

[tidal mauve]

go for it im not scared

its 192.168.50.1 do your best

mods, ban that guy

an acoount with 0 days of age which just joined and is offering an accounts

sure man

[arctic mist]

That was quick

[rich solar]

There they go 👋

[knotty crescent]

💌 -> mods

[tidal mauve]

i dont see any mod action so maybe self deleted

[rich solar]

Yall need to do /report lmao it doesnt take long for mod action after that

[arctic mist]

He is switching to a 2 weeks old account

[tidal mauve]

oooh i kinda skipped through that part of the #rules-and-info

now i know

[rich solar]

It wasnt in there before and we got yelled at to do it

[tidal mauve]

xd

[formal burrow]

@vernal niche is running a managed server host profitable?

I am guessing when you do managed hosting there is less worries of your customers acting up

[rich solar]

Its pretty profitable even for new hosts. Just a lot of work.

[stray pasture]

Think anything you have to do on Cloud hosting but within reasonable time and reliability. Its a lot of infrana setup and automation

[rich solar]

Nah bad actors are pretty big in manage customers

[near raptor]

If managed servers hosts wouldn't be profitible there wouldn't be so many of them :p

[stray pasture]

Its cheap to rent servers, its cheaper to own your own datacenters 😄 (in the long run)

[near raptor]

If you look at the prices of bare metal servers, and then look at the prices of a managed host, you can see a pretty hefty markup

But not everyone will be capable (or wants to) buy a bare metal server and set everything up. If you just want a server for you and a small group of friends, a managed server is perfectly suitable. If you are a larger network, you are probably better off getting your own bare metal servers (granted you are able to configure / operate them).

[fringe ore]

"Just alot of work" is an overstatement.

[rich solar]

I mean starting any kind of business is like that. Its not really an understatement or overstatement.

[fringe ore]

Whoops yes overstatement, and true

[rich solar]

We were lucky to get our Bare metal server right before this recent mark up. So got a nice 128gb ram server 🙂 I named it the Hytale-i-nator

[sharp lake]

How much compute does it have?

[fringe ore]

Oooo what sorta server you going for?

For gameplay *

[rich solar]

Its going to be used as our primary game server for Hytale. Currently implementing two local servers behind it via node management in pelican.

[rich solar]

Not sure. Never really calculated it nor bought it with that calculation in mind. 🙂

Hello @vernal niche

[near raptor]

Ah well, the network I am with hosts in a datacenter, we don't actually have our own hardware

[vernal niche]

We are doing this for almost 25 years so I guess so?

The profit margins are somewhat humble because servers and power really ain't cheap, but we are doing fine.

[rich solar]

Yeah we are using a host for our public facing side only. Which this server is for that. The rest will be my own physical servers.

[near raptor]

Ah nice. Yes, routing via a host can offer a nice layer of DDoS protection (as well as IP masking, of course)

[formal burrow]

I have a really good domain for hytale, I might consider starting a server list or a server host

[rich solar]

My gf's brother started his own host for MC. Now he mainly does VPS hosts. And he likes that a lot more than game servers.

I think most of his customers are now VPS sided.

[formal burrow]

does that guy happen to be buyvm lol

[rich solar]

No haha! would be funny tho

[formal burrow]

fran has a really good rep from what I heard

however they are almost NEVER in stock

[feral yoke]

the game will be coded in what language?

[stray pasture]

Oh my eyes

[formal burrow]

*sigh... not again. Java

[rich solar]

Client: C#
Server: Java

[feral yoke]

support other language?

[formal burrow]

learn Java, JSON, for now that's all you need to know. For other languages you may need to wait months for some third party to make a Lua bridge

[stray pasture]

Anything you can dream in

[rich solar]

Community will probably add wrappers but not by hytale

[formal burrow]

so download intellij and vscode

[feral yoke]

i already code minecraft mods lmao

[rich solar]

boots up antigravity

[formal burrow]

you mean vscode, it's another vscode fork

[rich solar]

~~Google ~~vscode

[feral yoke]

if someone need a hytale mods for a serv holla at me

[formal burrow]

what have you made and how much do you charge

[devout cipher]

got a portfolio?

[feral yoke]

making a rp mod rn still not finish cuz its a really big mods, wait i will share pic

[rich solar]

If you want to work/build on servers as a dev. I highly recommend getting a portfolio created.

[devout cipher]

yeahh

[feral yoke]

yeah but im creating mod for my future minecraft serv rn lmao

[devout cipher]

im on the lookout to hire but need a portfolio of previous work

[formal burrow]

You say you make mods but you have no completed work nor a portfolio... People here were immediately interested in potentially hiring you but when people are hiring they look for a portfolio. Make a google doc that's public or a site or a linktree or some static page

[gilded moss]

you know the mitical "24 ram free vps"?

[formal burrow]

Someone already said in this server Oracle's free tier is ALWAYS out of stock, not worth it unless you plan on using Oracle to scale later on

[feral yoke]

true, thx for the help tho

[rich solar]

Thought it was the mythical 11gb ram free vps (Jokes aside)

[formal burrow]

No one cares about college degrees anymore, we care whether you can get stuff done. If you can prove you can make stuff and perform, that's what actually matters

[gilded moss]

upgrading your account to paid, you can get one (Without exceed the free tier limits)

[gilded moss]

What its?

[formal burrow]

You can get an 8GB of RAM server in the US, Europe, or Asia for $4.20/month from OVH. And an 8GB of RAM server for $6/month from Advinserves

[formal burrow]

Oh really? Oh that's cool

[rich solar]

I left OVH for IONOS I think forever. Lol

[rich solar]

Ooh thats neat

[formal burrow]

OVH has infinite bandwidth and that's very useful

[near raptor]

OVH is quite alright if you are based in Europe

[formal burrow]

You should always keep at least two hosts in your grasp for offsite backups

[near raptor]

OVH's US presence is a bit meh, lots of things they offer in Europe they don't have in the US

[formal burrow]

They have tons of USA server locations

[near raptor]

If with tons you mean 2, sure

[rich solar]

I used OVH for like 6years. US customer. I will never go back after the bs they pulled

[formal burrow]

What did they do, I forgot, was that the fire?

[gilded moss]

reddit[dot]com/r/oraclecloud/comments/1g1ja56/oracle_free_tier_us_east_unable_to_create/

[sharp lake]

What did you buy it for?

[rich solar]

Nah we werent affected by the fire 🙂 but its some private bs. Just they are blacklisted from a lot of companies I worked with and with anything I do.

[gilded moss]

it worked for me and for a friend

[vernal niche]

Ah another one of those companies from Karlsruhe, Germany.

We have quite a few colleagues who worked at 1&1/IONOS

[near raptor]

They cooked with my little VPS, quite literally unfortunately. Oh well, thing wasn't hosting anything useful, just a playground

[gilded moss]

If you dont want to upgrade the oracle plan, you can setup a bot that attemps to create new one every ~30 secons

[night dove]

hmm

[rich solar]

Its our first year with IONOS. So far I am happy. We have started slowly migrating to them fully

[sharp lake]

I ask because I assume it wasn't Hytale if you weren't concerned with CPU resources lol

[rich solar]

Our IONOS dedi and VPS have "unlimited" bandwidth usage but 1 Gbps limit.

[sharp lake]

🙈 I'll never know

[gilded moss]

Oracle free tier up to 4Gbps

speedtest||.||net/result/c/88d7bf6b-7ff6-4b74-820e-262d02f82679

~2.5GB Upload and 2GB Download

[feral yoke]

can't send image here, i can send you in private?

[sharp lake]

🤨 what have you made though

[feral yoke]

im making a rp mod for minecraft for my server

town management and entreprise making

bank system, claim system

all in interface, no command

[gilded moss]

wow

[sharp lake]

yeah i can see why you wanted to send images now LMAO

Could post an imgur album

[feral yoke]

alr ima made that, i would love feedback

[sharp lake]

Is it open source?

[feral yoke]

nah planning on selling it to server

[finite charm]

Is hytale servers going to work like Minecraft where you can have multiple worlds linked to the same server with plug-ins or do you think that will be natively built into servers?

[tired pasture]

ui will suck until the Neosis update

[west elk]

No concise info on that yet, but they have shown that they have a native concept of "instances" which is exciting

[finite charm]

Oh cool I hope we can do it natively but also hope its more optimized than Minecraft. Possibly wont be on first launch in ea

Hopefully instances can do more than just world creation stuff too

[west elk]

Yeah I would say that's likely based on the Hytale teams history and priorities

[feral yoke]

imgur(dotcom)/gallery/minecraft-rp-mod-by-crp-showcase-cLbbMVh

still in development btw

[main moon]

@vital jetty You can use <t:1765634400:R> to support all timezones in Discord btw

~<t:1765634400:R> we will be able to pre-order the game

[tropic axle]

Wait you can put UTC timestamps in discord?

Who's trying to work on open source Hytale mods? :D

[rich solar]

Looks pretty good!

[feral yoke]

thx, there is still work to do and there is alot more interface i could show but they are not finish. do you have any feedback?

[gilded moss]

wow

[rich solar]

I dont have any direct input. But I highly recommend making some write ups for it since you said you want to sell it. I would expand on the code side showing examples of how systems work.

[feral yoke]

yeah i would do a video to showcase everything when its finish

its been 5 month of work and im still not finish, there is alot of sync system for all the town and player, real time sync for the claim tool so all town player can see the same chunk selection with what i call (tag) pretty much allowing what certain people can do in a chunk. so yeah very hard to optimise

[rose atlas]

Gl. Modded servers are a dead economy

[feral yoke]

depend of the quality, if the project is good you can sell thing higher. its a rp server there is alot more then selling loot, im planning on making custom player model mod, town modification, paid quest, mini tycoon game, event, and bunch of other thing about customization. its not a minigame server there is proximity chat, custom mods, quest mod (in development), and many other thing

[sharp lake]

Aren't the vast majority of modded Minecraft servers like, Pokémon gambling servers? LMAO

Like specifically ones that require a modded client

[tropic axle]

Like modded servers intended for mass appeal rather than hosted for like a tightly knit group?

[sharp lake]

Yes, ones with higher player counts

[round sentinel]

and this is MC not hytale right?

[tropic axle]

Are there any good mc server indexers? Ones oriented towards like stats and archival rather than monetization and advertising

[feral yoke]

yep

[gilded moss]

When the time comes, I’d like to create a Hytale server with some of you. If anyone is interested, let me know. I can’t maintain a server on my own ;)

[tropic axle]

Do you have a vision for what you'd want to host?

[round sentinel]

im using a VPS i have already to make a big one
DM me lol

[feral yoke]

imgur(dotcom)/gallery/minecraft-rp-mod-by-crp-showcase-2-Hri5nLm

here the rest of the mod for the people that was intrested (there is interface not finish in this one 🙂

[formal burrow]

Make a Google doc, set it to public, make it your bio

[feral yoke]

i can't rn but its all there. imgur(dotcom)/user/minosika

[eternal mountain]

Just wondering, which people host their own servers which panels do you guys use?

[stray pasture]

0.o panel? Oh man's. Its all scripts and automation for me.

[feral yoke]

self host

[tropic axle]

Wdym panel? Like a GUI instead of using CLI tools?

[stray pasture]

The two best answers for general gsme hosting is AMP - Cube Coseds and Pterydactyl

Gawd I cant spell, rather my phone cant.

[eternal mountain]

oh okay, I have my own server in a farm, but I am investing in a home rack servers, and I was looking for suggestions for game panels to ease the process of setting up and hosting game servers, as well as a node js supportive panel which can help me run node apps.

[cloud dust]

Pterodactyl*

[rich solar]

Just migrated to Pelican for now.

[eternal mountain]

AMP is what I'm using now, have the founders version, also know thw owners, but tbh, it became a bit slow for my liking, and some bugs I am less comfortable working with.

[stray pasture]

Yeah pterodactyl is the most common and the one most companies modify for buisness

[rich solar]

Pterodactyl/Pelican is docker based.

[eternal mountain]

as for Ptero, yea, I mean, I like it, its kinda like the vanilla option, but I am looking for something that works better, I am not sure...

[tepid thorn]

Does hytale have client-side prediction with server reconciliation?

[stray pasture]

Nobody knows. I would hope so

[eternal mountain]

maybe I should use Ptero but with a theme, I am not sure... I don't like the way its built with the nodes, and stuff.. too many settings for my liking, and not a ton of ways to configure.

[tepid thorn]

just hope the movement is authoritative on release if there is multiplayer lol

[stray pasture]

Same thought!

[rich solar]

Singleplayer is still server based. So pretty sure its a thing

[tropic axle]

They're using QUIC to deal with unreliable connections, so theoretically they're thinking a lot about netcode. I don't expect it'll be perfect at launch but I think it's definitely on the list of things they want to do

[eternal mountain]

First time hearing about Pelican, looks good, it also has Node js generic eggs , but idk how much supportive it is with Github Repos and Secrets

[stray pasture]

Still beta and stated its likely to have breaking changes and migrations. But is good.

[feral yoke]

i hope there will be a server discovery in the hytale launcher. that is what is needed for minecraft

[rich solar]

I will most likely never go back to base ptero. Pelican is my go to for now. (Until my custom system is done)

[tepid thorn]

also what are plugins going to be coded in? Java I'm assuming so

[rich solar]

Java.

[tepid thorn]

ah okay ty

[candid pawn]

i would like to believe it would be natively built in servers

[eternal mountain]

what do you use with ptero?

[finite charm]

If not at launch I'm sure it will happen eventually since hypixel knows how important it is so im sure they'll want something for hytale

[rich solar]

I have a lot of things running under it. I think I have 32 sub servers running lmao

[sharp lake]

I use frickin podman containers

[rich solar]

Classic

[tropic axle]

All my homies depreciate docker

[eternal mountain]

I meant which plugins/themes/add-ons

[tropic axle]

The only downside is podman is tied up with systemd

[sharp lake]

How is it tied up with systemd?

[rich solar]

Before I switched to pelican. I built all my own plugins under framework.

[stray pasture]

If they dont. Server experience will be questionable. 😄

Its built server first, so I have to assume they are architecting it properly from the start. 😄

[tepid thorn]

well i don't want movement cheats flying around at the speed of flight lol. I'm surprised minecraft doesn't have it tbh...

[stray pasture]

Well they are server authoritative too, just not "properlly"

[candid pawn]

i do hope so

[tropic axle]

Podman Quadlets?

[tepid thorn]

it's just a stupid limijt check lol it's kinda funny

[sharp lake]

Those are entirely optional, I've never even used them 🙈

[tropic axle]

That's a really good point

[stray pasture]

Thats what ya get when you dont build with multiplayer in mind! 😄 bolt it ontop.

[sharp lake]

The Mojang anti-cheats are actually among the dumbest ones in the industry 😍

There's still an unpatched inventory dupe on Bedrock edition

[tepid thorn]

the bedrock edition has one

[tropic axle]

I'll have to experiment more with podman when I switch over to using shepherd for daemon management

[tepid thorn]

but it's awful i heard

[sharp lake]

When was it added and what does it do? When it first released on Windows 10, I couldn't even figure out if there was one LMFAO
I was able to just fly around at super speed, instant teleport, etc

Because you could just set your velocity however you wanted

[tepid thorn]

it's a gamerule

[sharp lake]

What's that a reply to lol

[tropic axle]

Your in game velocity is a gamerule you can modify on Bedrock I think

[sharp lake]

So they added a check which is controlled by a gamerule?

[tepid thorn]

It's disabled by default

[sharp lake]

I primarily tested on The Hive, but it worked on every server I tried
Or it was Lifeboat, I can't recall actually

[tepid thorn]

oh most servers disable it because it's extremely buggy and causes a ton of false setbacks

[sharp lake]

Maybe I should mess with it again and see

Either way, I don't think we're going to see those problems to that degree in Hytale 💀

[tepid thorn]

i think they have it enabled on singleplayer which explains all those weird bugs and deaths lol

[tropic axle]

I think we'll see patches a lot quicker than on Bedrock, I understand developing a game takes time but I feel like Bedrock is trying to milk all they can out of their Golden Goose rather than fix a lot of longstanding issues with the game

[sharp lake]

With the resources they have now, they could literally hire a whole fleet just to do a big bug-fixing crusade
But they've done fck-all so

[tepid thorn]

yea

[sharp lake]

Microsoft's literally rewriting Windows components into another language with AI, they're not concerned with quality of any of their products
They've been making headlines for having "all major features" broken in Windows 11 lmfao

[tropic axle]

I feel like it's a bit more nuanced then that, since the MC Bedrock codebase is large and probably decently complex. They also don't have the historical backing of the java modding community to poke them in the right direction

[sharp lake]

It's based on the pocket edition of the game, they have a lot of history there
And it's a multi-billion dollar company with teams and teams of developers
They have an entire feedback hub full of bug reports
If they dedicated literally any significant amount of time to it, it'd be noticeably different

They're rolling in so much money that they could put internal bounties on fixes and just bolt them onto the end-of-year bonuses lol

[tropic axle]

Nah we need more marketplace slop tho

[sharp lake]

Lmao and they get a significant cut of every single one of those too

Imagine reinvesting into your product, couldn't be fckin Mojang

[tropic axle]

Maybe I'm biased because of familiarity, but I feel like the Java player movement is so much nicer and refined than whatever Bedrock has going on. I feel like I'm walking on ice in Bedrock every time I move around, and it just feels 'faker'

Also the way the player's body is animated in motion is completely different, it's like night and day

Seeing someone sprint in Bedrock looks goofy af (imho)

[feral yoke]

imagine what the game could be if notch had never sold the game

[sharp lake]

I think the main problem has been with the UIs, but they've been working on it

[sharp lake]

Yeah, idk if it would even be that much better
It would be different though

[feral yoke]

i hope hytale does it better and actually listen to the community

[sharp lake]

I'm hoping it'll be like Redigit and Terraria lol

[round sentinel]

if their past stuff has said anything they will be

[sharp lake]

Did they have a good reputation with Hypixel?