server-plugins-read-only

[gleaming karma]

This is true, the main thing about hytale is the possibility of being able to mod nearly anything

[near raptor]

Minecraft also runs a server if you play singleplayer though, it's not as black and white as multiplayer vs singleplayer

[main moon]

I mean, I think it is. There is a reason there is only 1 channel called #server-plugins-read-only because clients plugins/mods do not exist

[gleaming pecan]

they literally above said no client side mods

[main moon]

I mean don't call me on it, its really what I think, they might do allow it

[gleaming karma]

huh?

[edgy kernel]

please just take a moment to think of it like this:

if Minecraft had 0 client-side modding, there'd be no modpacks, and they'd only be playable if you had good enough internet to join & downloaad all the mods from the server

[gleaming pecan]

but look at roblox?

[edgy kernel]

okay, offline vs online then, think of it like that

[near raptor]

From a server perspective, I am actually in favour of a system where mods are served from the server. This lowers the barrier for modded servers as no longer do players need to modify their client. They can just join and get all the content they need. Gives lots of freedom to servers to go beyond what was possible in Minecraft server plugins.

[main moon]

But minecraft need mods because server side modifications are limited now we will be able to literally change characters and UI's. Imagine a fancy handcrafted photoshopped Team selector

[gleaming karma]

could somee notell me where is said that client side modding wont be possible

[edgy kernel]

roblox is more of an engine than a game, and Simon himself said they want to build a game, not an engine

[gleaming karma]

"Modding isn't just a feature for us. It's the foundation of longevity. We're committing to this completely"

[main moon]

@dawn spire

This was at the time of the legacy engine btw

[gleaming karma]

yeah

[gleaming pecan]

yeah fair, all i really need is for mods to be downloaded when joining a server rather then needing to f around with modpacks and stuff

[dawn spire]

damn..

[dusty temple]

why arent we allowed to modify the client?

[main moon]

Because why would you

[gleaming karma]

there's no need to

[dawn spire]

how am i supposed to play the game without killaura and xray???

[edgy kernel]

I agree to this aswell. I feel it should work just as easily as modding in a game like Garry's Mod is.

Open the mod browser, install the mod, you can use it Offline or Online, if you join a server & are missing mods, it'll be installed automatically, but if you're in singleplayer (or offline) you can still experience said mods without needing to have internet.

[gleaming karma]

everything modding related is going to be built in

[solid sand]

Yo we migrated from #discussion its been invaded by #game-discussion

[gleaming pecan]

[dusty temple]

if its on my harddrive it is mine to do as i please, at least in EU, and good luck keeping the russians from touching the client 😄

[ebon sundial]

Yep, you actually can change nickname in settings

[near raptor]

If you look at it from an open mind (not wearing "Minecraft glasses"): why would you need to modify the client? Take GMod as an example.

[edgy kernel]

I just feel this is super live-service esque. Kinda scared now ngl

[edgy kernel]

You can modify GMod Client-Side, i used that in my example.

[rose atlas]

its not xD

[edgy kernel]

You shouldn't have to join a server just to use mods. You should be able to use them in an online or offline setting.

[near raptor]

Nono, this is nothing to do with live-service

[dawn spire]

just think of gta and how modding the client saved the game for almost a decade now

[gleaming pecan]

bingo, minecraft is a technical barrier to entry for mods, you need to know how to do moderate to high level stuff to get it to work

[edgy kernel]

So if I want to experience mods I need internet, yes?

[near raptor]

No

[dusty temple]

will it have private dedicated server support?

[rose atlas]

no.

[near raptor]

This is pure speculation: but you can join a server (that is hosted on your machine, possibly even as part of just playing singleplayer). In that case, the "server" (as in, your local environment) will be what you "connect" to.

[rose atlas]

Your world.. itself is a server instence just like how it is in minecraft.

[near raptor]

Exactly

[gleaming pecan]

also im hoping praying that server performance is no where near as dog as mc

[solid sand]

No you have to click the open to lan button to turn it into a server

[edgy kernel]

Think of it like this:

I find a modpack, called "Better Hytale"

Since client-side modifications won't exist, I'll only be able to play that experience via joining that server.

So if I go travel, and wanna play on my Steam Deck or laptop, I can't, I can only play vanilla.

[dusty temple]

the moment minecraft went "rent a server" and no local multiplayer the moment it died for me

[rose atlas]

in minecraft yes but hytale different

[gleaming karma]

I assume this is going to be built in for modding, thus no need to mod the client

[solid sand]

Why would hytale singleplayer be a server

[rose atlas]

that's the old model maker, its been replaced with #blockbench

[lime oracle]

This is the Hytale modelmaker which is replaced with Blockbench

[gleaming karma]

ah that's the modelmaker

[near raptor]

For technical reasons. It can simplify writing the game and you can reuse components of multiplayer in singleplayer

[topaz bronze]

The same reason why Minecraft single player is. Just a way to call the architecture

[rose atlas]

same reason it is on minecraft

[gleaming karma]

has there been any showcases of how the modding can be done

[dawn spire]

lets animate orange justice with this 😎

[edgy kernel]

I don't think y'all are understanding that in order to have these things in the game, you need to manipulate the game files in some way shape or form. Even if you're hosting a singleplayer world & it hosts a server for you, you still need to have those mods somewhere in your game files for them to be read.

[rose atlas]

server handles it.

[main moon]

Tbh, there will obv be copycats, BUT I think that is what is needed, every server will have something unique not like minecraft where there are 1000+ servers with bedwars, skywars etcc

[scarlet spoke]

supersecretpage

[solid sand]

Source? Minecraft isn't a server until opened to lan because then you can connect to it

[edgy kernel]

dawg i've bene trying to say this entire goddamn time that this means Hytale modded experiences are locked to those with good & reliable internet.

[near raptor]

That is not fully true. It is not joinable to other players, but internally a server is being ran.

[rose atlas]

no.

[ebon sundial]

It was changed to using Blockbench

[gleaming karma]

yeah I misunderstood the modelmaker for modding tools

[edgy kernel]

so explain how it'll work for the average user that just wants to play Modded Hytale in singleplayer. please.

[rose atlas]

The only thing is that downloading assets from a server might take a bit longer than other users with faster internet

[rough dove]

once the mods are downloaded for your singleplayer use, then you don't need internet?

[edgy kernel]

I'd be pretty upset if Hytale stored every single mod from every server I join on my PC eternally

700GB voxel game incoming

[rose atlas]

you can probably manage content...

[rough dove]

You don't download the "mods" for the servers you join, just the ones you want for your Singleplayer worlds

[main moon]

Also we gotta understand, the only thing you will download from a server will probably be assets and configs so you wont need that good of an internet connection.

If they allowed literal code to be installed, there will be malware servers, dont they they want that.

[edgy kernel]

IDK, I think requriing a player to join a server to be able to install mods is quite BS to me lmao

[ebon sundial]

It probably will just cache mods in, so if same mod used on different servers it wont download it again, and will just use the one you already have, if they are the same

[junior light]

Localhost at worst, but also it can still act as a server in the backend and a client on the rendering side.

Servers don't have to be on a cloud for you to use one locally on your PC

[near raptor]

At the moment most of what we are talking about here is speculation. I would really wait and see how Hytale actually ends up implementing it. This pattern is not unique in game architecture, other games pull it off without any problems as well.

[tranquil solar]

what will likely happen is that the server will send the client the models, textures, audio, etc and the server handles everything else

kinda like how minecraft server resource packs work

[solid sand]

Sure but on a normal server you can't pause the game. On single-player you can pause the game until opened to lan.

[junior light]

Yeah it's more software architecture than it is a literal dedicated server

[manic pine]

idk, there also could be an official registry where mods are pulled from (just like steam workshop)

[edgy kernel]

Oh I know, as someone with local servers in their house I understand this fully. But I'm saying for those that aren't tech savvy. Those that want to open the game, see a Fallout-style mod browser & get to modding. From what some of these people are saying, you HAVE to join a server in order to get any sort of game modification, which is not user-friendly or nearly as "open" as Simon & the Hytale has been saying this game is going to be.

[ebon sundial]

it's just a single line of code bacically

[rose atlas]

from their faq:

When a client connects to a community server with a custom version of the game, a handshake process occurs in which all of the required files, data, sounds, models, animations, and so on are downloaded by the client.

additionally:
However, to combat abuse we will not permit modifications to the client itself. With the amount of freedom you are given with Hytale’s toolset, however, you won’t need to do so. Having a single version of the game to support makes things easier for us as developers, too.

[main moon]

It does

[solid sand]

If it's a function sure. However I dont know if its like unity where you can just pause the game using one line of code iirc

[rose atlas]

Your world is basically a localhost instence...

[silver bronze]

Can you send me the link to that FAQ? I wasn't aware there is one

[solid sand]

Sure server and single-player share a lot of components but I wouldn't call single player a server

[near raptor]

Which would make sense, as the server code is responsible for things like entity ticking and such in Minecraft. It would be weird to rewrite such mechanics twice: once for singleplayer and once for multiplayer.

[ebon sundial]

it is pretty much easy to make even if it's not like unity, cause to pause the game, you just need to stop ticks

[edgy kernel]

I strongly feel the "Hytale toolset" means some sort of "structured" modding-support.

[static portal]

not really, most of the time games doesn't use port and just uses an other type of socket

[rose atlas]

its for the legacy engine. the one they returned to.

[edgy kernel]

He's going off of how Minecraft does it, it starts a local "server"-like instance when you load a singleplayer world, opening to lan just gives it a port allocation for players to join.

[solid sand]

In unity it works that way, but minecraft is written in plain Java so idk how it works there

[near raptor]

We should be careful to compare Minecraft and Hytale, as it sounds like there are some big differences in architecture of the games (on this whole modding part at least)

[ebon sundial]

Let's take a minecraft for example, pause there just put's your tickrate to zero, not actually freezing your game, since you can see torches to emit particles, as they are not bound by tickrate

[edgy kernel]

It's also 7 years old, so I would take it with a grain of salt. A lot has changed, even though they're returning to that enigne, I'm sure they're not reverting to this ideaology 100%

Hypixel alone has changed a lot in 7 years, let alone their minds & core values LOL

[solid sand]

But players can also move in that case. So its not just one command

[ebon sundial]

Unity is not first to find this out, I assume, it's a basic thing...

[topaz bronze]

Minecraft singlepleayer runs the game logic on a separate loop than what you do and see on screen. The "server" Just happens to be on your local machine. You might just be confused because it comes kind of against what one expects a server to be on gaming lol

[rose atlas]

well they want to go back to the original vision: this is your original vision.

[static portal]

because torch particule are manage by the rendering thread that isn't paused, but all other server (integreated or dedicated) are paused

[ebon sundial]

as for player, in same line just freeze it's movement

[topaz bronze]

Although it's not the same kind of server as a LAN or online one. You can check the game files. There are two classes for a dedicated (online) server and a singleplayer server

[ebon sundial]

rendering thread just doesn't rely on tickrate

[solid sand]

No one writes multiple lines in one line tho, its not clean

[static portal]

yes like 90% of the game?

[solid sand]

You are describing a function

[rose atlas]

we just need to wait to see how it actually is ig

[ebon sundial]

yeah, I just metaphorically said that it's can be made in one line, meaning it's just so little of work to make a pause work in a singleplayer

[viscid wren]

I’m curious if anyone knows but are the server plugins going to be plugins and mods combined into one or are they going to be separate?

[static portal]

... do you think function can't be complex or somthing?

[main moon]

Combined

[rose atlas]

both ig

[ebon sundial]

probably plugins are mods that doesn't use any of models, or textures, so pure code, while mods, is content

[rose atlas]

LOOK

[main moon]

He is reading this chat 🙏

[static portal]

from what i have see plugin will be suported and they will be comunity work to have mixin work with ignite

[rough dove]

the plan is to have a mod browser to presumably locally download mods to be ran by your internal java server for single-player experiences

[rose atlas]

its no coincidence XD

[ebon sundial]

I mean, for all other things you MUST already have them cause... WHO TF starting making their game by creating pause function?!

[main moon]

Letsgoooo no more clientside mods 🔥🔥🔥

[static portal]

hell no, they will be client side mod that they like it or not

[rose atlas]

whats machinima?

[edgy kernel]

animation essentially

[rose atlas]

Curious - with so much you can do server sided.. why do you want to mod the client?

[manic pine]

for making movies ingame

[edgy kernel]

because, not everyone wants to run a server, once again. lmao

[dawn spire]

1000 player civilization in hytale next year 🙏

[static portal]

to modify the renderer

[ebon sundial]

your singleplayer is also a server

[main moon]

Tbh 2b2t could maybe allow developers to upload "Cheat clients" to their website and then when you join 2b2t you can select your "cheat client"

[rose atlas]

you can simply just click on create a world! :D

[solid sand]

Nah documentation is useless. You just experiment with functions leading to you connecting with the server api in mysterious ways and then you understand it fully

[edgy kernel]

yes, but in order to modify the built in server, you have to modify the game files, on the client side, where the server gets started from

[rose atlas]

theres ur server, have fun with mods on it

[main moon]

That way players should not have to install anything and 2b2t kinda liveson on Hytale

[rough dove]

in order to modify the server, you use the modding tools and plugin API that is used by the server

[ebon sundial]

Client mods, and Client-side mods are different things

[dawn spire]

does anyone know if you will actually be able to write clientside scripts for your server? (maybe including CEF?)

[edgy kernel]

no matter what cheat clients are gonna be figured out, it's happened to damn near every single game. cheaters always find a way

[rose atlas]

CEF?

[static portal]

when we say client side we are talking about logical client side, like thing that will be active when your on a server or in single player (so thing like rendering), the logicial server (integrated server in phisical client or dedicated in physicial server) is everything else

[dawn spire]

chromium embedded framework, basically you can create youre own UIs using chromium

[main moon]

Yeah, no doubt, but would a server like 2b2t (if real client modifications will happen) not be used as honeypots to literally ban everyone, they might even ban the server for endorsing clientside modifications

[rose atlas]

they did say you can make ur own menus and stuff sooo.

[manic pine]

i dont think so

[wintry jungle]

Access or showcase?

[rose atlas]

#announcements

[main moon]

It would be very unsustainable for them, how they gonna handle priority queue if they get banned any second

[static portal]

yeah, hvh server are more likely to appear then 2b2t

[solid sand]

2b2t 2 is gonna go crazy 💀

[main moon]

hvh?

[static portal]

priority queue? this is hytale not mc

[static portal]

hacker vs hacker, nerd showing what they did

[edgy kernel]

see i understand this, but everyone else is putting as modded content isn't gonna be accessible unless you join or host your own server, which i get may be how the singleplayer works in Hytale, but unless there's someway to load these mods in real-time while the server is active, I'm just not understanding how it's gonna work without some sort of mod browser built into the client, it's a stupid argument really & ofcourse all speculation, but to say 0 client modding whatsoever is kinda strange to me

[main moon]

That is unrelated tho, they use the priority queue as a way to finance the server

[wintry jungle]

bc eula

[rose atlas]

you realize server sided cheats can exist too?

[main moon]

Ohh right

[static portal]

that would be feature not cheat

[rose atlas]

cheats dont have to be downloaded on ur client lol

[main moon]

Exactlyy!

Imagine this:

Tbh 2b2t could maybe allow developers to upload "Cheat clients" to their website and then when you join 2b2t you can select your "cheat client"

[edgy kernel]

I feel as though Hytale themselves may monitor those players, and ban them from accessing other servers, but I don't see them banning entire community built around that of hacking in-game, i'd assume it'd be more facilitated as a "Bad Sport" lobby like in GTA

[rose atlas]

seen people on minecraft run cheats on the server that gives them adventage so if u looked into their pc u wont find anything

[solid sand]

That ain't happening

[static portal]

again, thats a feature not a cheat

[ebon sundial]

once again Client modding, and Client-Side mods, are different things

[edgy kernel]

ehh, debatable, if a server dev really feels like doing it, they could easily add an xray cheat or kill aura cheat.

[ebon sundial]

also, when you joining the server your mods you are using, is disabled and server mods are enabled

[main moon]

I think they would, Simon really does not like cheats or blackmarkets. He even used to sue Minecraft alt shops using Hypixel renevue, iirc he took down more than 500+ of those. While it wasn't even his job

[frozen crown]

but that just becomes a gameplay feature right

[edgy kernel]

once again, i'm telling you everyone here has explained it to me as this, so you're the first person with a brain to say something along those lines.

[solid sand]

2b2t would still exist even if cheat clients didn't. Its really just what players have came up with and admin didnt ban it

[scarlet spoke]

With the latest leak I think it's even more clear that we won't get Minecraft 2.0.
We get all the tools we need with the game itself, so there is no need of client modifications for a multiplayer experience.

[edgy kernel]

essentially yeah, but at the same time could be referred to as "cheats" like how roblox devs lock "cheat-like" abilities behind paywalls

[wintry jungle]

That's bc EULA dude, that thing changed all things about minecraft monetization

[edgy kernel]

yeah this could be the case

[solid sand]

Cheats are not intended behaviors. If you put a cheat in the game its intended behavior so not a cheat

[edgy kernel]

i'm saying it could be referred to as QUOTE cheats, jesus some of y'all think so literal LOL

[turbid carbon]

Community servers will have their own java plugins just like Minecraft?

[rose atlas]

yes.

[main moon]

I think Simon even took action against Xturtle but idk just a speculation

[frozen crown]

yes but that’s like calling skywars slime modifier like a cheat people are just dumb I guess

[dawn spire]

some people dont realize how cheats can create a whole new fun experience for the players as long as its in a controlled environment. i really hope hytale doesnt try to supress the people that are used to that content from mc for over a decade

[rose atlas]

that and mods/custom content that the client automatically downloads

[solid sand]

I'm definitely planning to make a towny plugin if I have time. Maybe even a military if I can add combat ai to npcs

[frozen crown]

coyote time and double jump technically is a cheat

[edgy kernel]

similarly yeah, they plan to allow servers to take full control over the player's experience, more so than that of Minecraft plugins

[near raptor]

The screenshots in the #announcements channel are nice, though I think they more refer to the modding tools for creating models, particles, etc. and maybe not necessarily to actual "server plugins" as we know them in Minecraft (the ones used to power custom gamemodes). But I don't have enough information on the latter to say for sure.

[rose atlas]

server ops can change almost everything. PVP, UIs. turn the game into their own vision that people can play on easily

[frozen crown]

fr that would make custom gamemodes hard because how do you differentiate between new custom moves and cheats if they block it

[edgy kernel]

nah, that's abilities and features, as they're marketed. I'm saying, a server developer could add in an "X-Ray" "cheat" that can be marketed as nothing but a "cheat" and not a feature, i'm not calling abilities cheats or vise-versa, i'm moreso saying that people can make cheat-like abilities and market them as cheats

[main moon]

Btw guys look at Simon his skin

[turbid carbon]

Nice then, and selling in-game content like ranks, etc will be allowed too? Just like Minecraft or nope (ex tebex)

[main moon]

We gotta get a front pic

[solid sand]

Simon out there enjoying hytale

[dawn spire]

also things like lunar client or badlion client are just the same thing as a cheat under the hood, all those things would go missing

[agile escarp]

Machinima...

[tranquil solar]

this is 100% speculation but if i had to guess the server software could have some sort of inbuilt anticheat to validate client inputs but could be disabled if you wanted to, kinda like how minecraft has (had? idk if it's still around) the flying check that can kick you but you can turn it off

[glass onyx]

well whatever hypixel does now, you can assume you can do

[near raptor]

Running a server isn't free, servers do need a way to make money. But I think there should be clear rules and guidelines on this. E.G. no obvious Pay2Win. But I assume by the time the game gets closer to launch more details will be shared on what servers are allowed to do and what not.

[edgy kernel]

possibly? im not sure how mentization will be handled, but hopefully it's more controlled and less-predatory than minecraft LOL

[near raptor]

Honestly, performing payments to servers via an in-game way wouldn't be the craziest idea.

[dawn spire]

server plugin api is written in java i assume?

[near raptor]

But gotto be careful with that to not turn into a Minecraft Bedrock fiesta

[edgy kernel]

I don't think I'd be fully against a global currency that allows you to buy in-game items for your experience or items on servers

[main moon]

Yes

[main moon]

I think there is one

Lemme get a pic

[edgy kernel]

that'd be vaguely interesting, i've never really thought abt monetization of Hytale tbh

all i know is i'm spending way too much money on a server network LOL

[solid sand]

No p2w will turn into another Minecraft. P2w is simply needed for servers to exist. A server can't survive solely from cosmetics. Mainly p2w I am talking about are crates and ranks with commands

That's sad truth tho

[near raptor]

Servers can very much exist without P2W

[edgy kernel]

pay2win is NOT necessary

[near raptor]

Hypixel themselves are an example of this

[edgy kernel]

as someone who has supported 5 servers for 8 months without paying anything out-of-pocket or selling any p2w items, there is NO need for P2W lmao

[solid sand]

Hypixel has hypixel skyblock which is kinda p2w

[dawn spire]

in the glory days of minecraft (2012-2016) all the big servers survived without any p2w. they just took donations for priority queue or the chance to join full lobbys of survival games for example

theres no need for p2w at all

[edgy kernel]

cosmetics, emotes, simple permission unlocks & permissions will get you a long way

[ebon sundial]

except few things in Skyblock, which are avaiable when you mvp++

[near raptor]

Maybe an opinion that some might not like, but I find P2W a cheap way to earn a buck without much creativity. Cosmetics or other unique features that don't grant an advantage over others is where creativity can shine

[tranquil solar]

yeah like hypixel is profitable enough without p2w mechanics that they're able to bankroll a whole game development team lol

[ebon sundial]

• Booster Cookies

[faint vortex]

There’s no “winning” in skyblock, but you can buy booster cookies with gems that can be directly sold for coins

[edgy kernel]

1000% i'd rather spend $100 on genuine art than I would on a cool sword & a fly permission

[ebon sundial]

anyway, I consider it more like P2W than P2Be Cool

[faint vortex]

It’s definitely pay to win, I’ve personally spent a few grand on gems to earn coins

[tranquil solar]

i guess we don't really know if they would do p2w in an environment where they aren't forced to not by the EULA

it's something we'll only really know once we know the terms of their EULA

[near raptor]

As much as the original EULA thing in Minecraft was a disaster, servers adapted and moved on. And many servers still exist in one way or another without violating the EULA.

[rustic flicker]

cuold be add a plugin to custom your pg?

[tranquil solar]

and even if there is p2w on the official server you can always play on a server that doesn't have those mechanics

[dawn spire]

thanks for supporting hytale 🙏

[tranquil solar]

p2w can be permitted or forbidden, not required

[faint vortex]

I’m very excited for hytale so hopefully it was money well spent

[main moon]

Well nevermind 🤣, I just looked at it again and its not it

[tranquil solar]

they would never be able to afford making hytale if it weren't for the MVP+ i bought when i was like 13

[solid sand]

P2w also helps make custom gamemodes. To be able to hire a dev team you must be able to pay it and as cosmetics aren't enough to pay for it you must have a p2w game mode to some degree

[ebon sundial]

same things

[brittle estuary]

Path of Exile

[ebon sundial]

I bought my MVP+ when I just bought Minecraft

[haughty idol]

does anyone now if plugins will be supported by the hytale server itself or if it'll need a plugin API like paper/spigot?

[solid sand]

Example: misterepic's server og network was supposed to be non p2w but they made a custom p2w gamemode to be able to fund the rest of the server

[dawn spire]

direct support

[haughty idol]

thanks!

[near raptor]

Eh, many servers started off because people had a passion for the game. Not every server needs to start off big with paid developers and other paid staff. Many servers still run with unpaid / voluntary work and use the money they make to pay the server bills. I disagree that P2W is a requirement for a server to be profitable, I know plenty of servers where this is not the case.

[static portal]

direct support so no need for a custom jar but a comunity made modloader will be made to be able to have mixin and mod the game

[dawn spire]

also "We will provide server source code access within several months, once we're legally ready to do so" 😎 👍

[amber cape]

Scripting will be using what

[west elk]

That they have a concept for "instances" is incredibly exciting to me

[dawn spire]

maybe a fancy world for dimensions?

[amber cape]

Send me link

[ebon sundial]

Java

[west elk]

#announcements

[main moon]

Sneakpeak:

[amber cape]

Alright there is any thing already announced regarding the library.

[static portal]

officialy java
they are some theory about the usage of html/css for ui stuff

[dawn spire]

we want c++ 😡

[tranquil solar]

am i stupid or does that not look like java

[dawn spire]

that legit is java

[static portal]

its kotlin
edit: wait no its not

[near raptor]

No it is not

function is neither Kotlin nor Java

[west elk]

it's js

[worn tartan]

it's full js

[near raptor]

Looks like JS to me

[haughty idol]

instanceof is java/kotlin tho right?

[solid sand]

Can you name a few servers? Its pretty common even on big servers that they have voluntary admins. The owners who are passionate mostly pay for the server out of their pockets.

[dawn spire]

also js

[worn tartan]

exports, instanceof, var for variables - that's js 100%

[haughty idol]

maybe that js plays into the html/css for ui elements if that'll be a thing?

[dawn spire]

those imports are not very js dont u think

[haughty idol]

the packages definitely look java tho

[dawn spire]

yes

[worn tartan]

that's just dot notation for accessing object fields
foo.bar.baz.quix

[static portal]

its a custom JS runtime, a fork of rihno (used by kubejs, made by mozilla)?

[leaden crystal]

kotlin 🇰 or java ☕?

[worn tartan]

this looks like they have global com.hypixel.hytale object which has protocol and server fields exposed and so on

it's prob just a demonstration of how you could "import" certain packages

perhaps they've set those as Proxy objects which when called import those packages 🤷

[haughty idol]

I do think a global player object will be interesting, at least different from minecraft mods

[west elk]

interaction between java land and javascript land

[static portal]

its not, its a class type

[dawn spire]

if it was js dont you think the hytale devs would use let instead of var

[haughty idol]

ahh you're right

[worn tartan]

that's just old js
the same goes to exports = {...} notation

[dawn spire]

HES READING

[amber cape]

Damn bro he’s a real one Simon

[main moon]

Server owners????

[karmic cloud]

what does that mean or indicate ?

[scarlet spoke]

Community servers

[ebon sundial]

I just concerned that there is modders in there... so it look like after 2 years modders going to give %

[karmic cloud]

you just noticing ? he ltrly bought the game back for us 😭

[static portal]

we don't know

[main moon]

I know, but that means Hytale servers will be licensed

[dawn spire]

hytale uses directx or opengl?

[nimble hare]

it's more if you want to sell your mod ig
like the s** mc bedrock

[static portal]

good question, i hope for vulkan

[west elk]

I'm thinking of ephemeral areas that can be spun up and discarded at will, without being an actual part of a game world

[ebon sundial]

oh, in that case ok

[dawn spire]

and a lil bit for his own financial interests but i mean 😅

[karmic cloud]

makes sense , if a modder makes profit , the game should also have a cut

[haughty idol]

hopefully the cut will stay under like 20-30% tho

[tranquil solar]

based on that it seems that there will be a first party mod store

[ebon sundial]

Just forgot that somebody could get profit from mods...

[dawn spire]

dx11+12 would be great

[solid sand]

P2w also creates a ton of jobs for developers, the players who are heavy spenders on p2w servers aren't gonna stop spending their money, if the server isn't p2w they will just spend it somewhere else. Some players also choose to spend a few dollars just to support the server. I am not saying heavy p2w servers are okay, I am just saying that mild p2w is okay to help support the server.

[karmic cloud]

trust me there is no financial interest in that , he said it himself , he was set for life and didnt need hytale to make more money, he actually risks losing money more than making it

[static portal]

and not crossplaform unlike vulkan

[tranquil solar]

because there's really no other way to enforce taking a cut of profits

[vague zephyr]

No Risk, No Story
No Risk, No Hytale
Hytale is for the players, by the players.

By the Players, for the Players

Hytale pondering the community

[dawn spire]

damn he a real one

[manic pine]

simon already has had the infinite money glitch, he doesnt need to be greedy

[near raptor]

I mean, for the longetivity of a game, you'd either need to keep selling DLC or have some form of other revenue stream (microtransactions, taking a small cut from creators). You cannot purely run on just the sale of the base game, that will slow down over time unless you are something like No Man's Sky and make a crazy profit that sets you up for a while.

[dawn spire]

"We are fully independent and personally committed to funding Hytale for the next 10 years." they got enough money to fund the development

[solid sand]

Who are you to tell people how to spend their money. As long as the server isn't heavily p2w / the free players dont get a much worse experience I dont see a problem.

[static portal]

"you'd either need to keep selling DLC " like paradox

[near raptor]

Oh fair enough I guess

[manic pine]

or sims 4 lmao

milking the cow like crazy

[near raptor]

Some games do both which is 💀

[karmic cloud]

probbly cuts from creators + cometics and some services like maybe server hosting

hypixel has a big experience in hosting servers

[near raptor]

I remember way back when PAYDAY2, known for lots of DLC, started adding microtransactions. That did not go well with the community.

[karmic cloud]

and dealing with hosts , so its possible

[zinc cosmos]

I mean, Hypixel studios who were at the base of the projects based all of their revenue from server exploitation 🤔

[tranquil solar]

yeah if they already have the staff/infra to run hosting services they're likely to do that

[near raptor]

Hm, Hytale is also somewhat unique that there are plans for an official Hytale server (which will undoubtedly sell ranks and cosmetics), which could also foot the bill for the development of the game in the future. I am not actually familiar with other games that have such a setup.

[karmic cloud]

• i doubt the game will be free

[zinc cosmos]

It won't

[scarlet spoke]

I don't think so. They already posted that payment system is ready, they only waited for the game

[zinc cosmos]

it might be for the first alpha versions, but it is foolish to think it will be free long term

[solid sand]

I definitely dont want the game to be free. If it was free it would lead to microtransactions

[turbid carbon]

Exactly lol

[karmic cloud]

ye thats what i said

[rose atlas]

im back home with a strawberry banana smoothie

[dawn spire]

theres a way to do that in a good way -> sell ingame coins that can be used to purchase things on all servers -> servers get payed out something like 85% etc.

[lunar swan]

Does anyone know the player count limit on Hytale servers ? (Or it's not been discussed yet).

[dawn spire]

(roblox kind of way)

[tranquil solar]

probably just whatever the underlying hardware can handle

[zinc cosmos]

not yet iirc

[main moon]

Guys he already stated the game will not be free

[static portal]

we don't know

[main moon]

We do

[dawn spire]

yeah its stated in the blog posts that pricing for the editions will soon be announced

[static portal]

we do?

[rose atlas]

im gonna pay for founder edition 🔥

[near raptor]

Things like player counts on a server feel awfully specific information to already know, I am not aware of this

[tranquil solar]

and i assume considering hypixel already has experience working with minecraft server proxying software there will probably be a similar solution for hytale

[main moon]

So basically 1 Hytale insance can hold up 1k players probably

[near raptor]

I am not sure if that is how I interpret it

[main moon]

Every instance is 1 thread

[haughty idol]

he's saying that the technology to do so won't be implemented early.

[static portal]

its not what it says, it says that multiple instance can work together

[lunar swan]

Thanks

[main moon]

Exactly, he assums it can only holdup 1k player, so the limit is 1k players unless you modify the workings

[rose atlas]

im gonna go all out and make a massive insane modded network with multiple game modes and custom modes.. maybe even allow players to make experiences for others.. and on the thingy it says made by: (player).

[tranquil solar]

1 instance could probably handle about up to 50 players on current server-grade hardware but you can have as many instances as you want basically

[rose atlas]

Gonna reference all sort of stuff too

[meager hamlet]

People dm me for server creation at hytale

[solid sand]

So basically bedrock but free? I'm okay with it being a option but just that it isn't a requirement. I dont think 15% would be able to pay the bills for hytale. Also wouldnt be good from business perspective to rely on community created servers

[meager hamlet]

Got funds and everything

[static portal]

he said the same sync tech that was used to have 1k+ player on mc can be done on hytale since instance can share info, it doesn't say anything about player count

[rose atlas]

One game mode idea: slasher, 10 players, one randomly gets selected to be the "slasher" , run around and oof other players, and that oof'ed player becomes a slasher.

[haughty idol]

he said that with multiple instances, hypixel handles 1000s of players, and Hytale wouldn't have something like that programmed in early on.

[main moon]

Oh wow

[haughty idol]

thats cool

[dawn spire]

also you have to take in account that the pools for the players in the client may also be capped, kind of like in the rage engine (rockstar games engine used in gta and rdr) where you would bug the game out after extending the 128 entity pool cap and stream more then 128 players

[rose atlas]

screw it 10k players in 1 server

[lunar swan]

So essentially, Hytale could (in theory) become a true MMO right ? That's insane if true. Something Minecraft never really could natively speaking.

[tranquil solar]

think of an instance like how if you're on hypixel and are in a bedwars server you're obviously still connected to hypixel.net but your client is networked through to a dedicated minigame server that only has the people in that game in it

[meager hamlet]

Yo

[dawn spire]

it would be so cool if the server api would be written in c++ and users could just implement their own apis to support js (via v8 engine) and so on

[main moon]

Tbh, if you can predict how optimized Hytale, you can kinda estimate the player count because each instance is 1 therad

[tranquil solar]

if i had to guess they'll design the server-client protocol to allow for proxying like that but won't immediately develop builtin software to handle it

[rose atlas]

wonder if servers can do stuff like this:

[haughty idol]

yea, I think the community will have to make somethign like velocity, at least early on

[static portal]

yes probably

[main moon]

Def

[rose atlas]

unless that stuff is already built in

[solid sand]

Would be cool.

[agile escarp]

i'm making a little storyboard for my mini-quest (getting spider-venom from the "brood-mother" in an abandoned, spider infested mine to save someone)... now i really wonder if there's save and load or if you just respawn after dying

[near raptor]

It wouldnt surprise me if proxies are something available already

[viscid wren]

This will make servers so much better because finding a server or even making one with plugins and mods is a headache in itself. This allows for some insane custom stuff.

[haughty idol]

What Im wondering for things like this, is would the player have to download a resource pack or if the models/textures can be transmitted through the server-client connection, I assume resource pack or the like

[wintry jungle]

Probably, just like Roblox does

[tranquil solar]

i do wonder what protocl they'll base theirs off of, minecraft is based on tdp but there are other options like websockets or even something funky like raknet

[static portal]

i don't think their is going to be modding support (that isn't community made) but plugin yes

[rose atlas]

well all of the servers in a network would be running its own version, so lets say u select skyblock, it's gonna download all the assets and switch to that server version, and vice versa

[rose atlas]

something about UPnP?

[main moon]

I would like to see a custom UI screenshot from Simon, maybe like a team selector or something

Like let us see how far we can take it

And maybe we can figure out if it has v8 under the hood 🤣

[rose atlas]

i really love this UI.

[main moon]

o

[rose atlas]

maybe server owners can utilize it if they are running servers where if there's a shop on the map they can see etc

[lunar swan]

So we're finally going to be able to create real UIs, that's insane !

[rose atlas]

yes. everything can be changed. even the pvp mechanics.

[dawn spire]

lightsabers 🔥

[rose atlas]

brb coding gta 6 in hytale

[rose atlas]

a starwars gamemode would be sick

[dawn spire]

it would be so sick if we could implement whole new uis for the client using cef

[lunar swan]

I'm sooo going to buy that game, and start doing some dev on it day 0.

[solid sand]

Until you get a cease and desist from Disney

[wintry jungle]

They said it's possible to mod almost everything, so... UI isn't nothing of other world

[rose atlas]

isnt hypixel running a star wars like gamemode for a long time now

[wintry jungle]

Waiting for ToS or something in modding. I runned a spanish Harry Potter themed server on Minecraft and Warner discovered it. And that was the born of Jarry Botter lol

[rose atlas]

zombies server + this enviornment :)

[solid sand]

If you dont get cease and desist it would be cool

[dawn spire]

just register everything offshore 😈 (jk)

[barren halo]

They wouldn’t have to worry abt that so long as they didn’t monetize

(I don’t think)

[leaden crystal]

ahahah right way

[rose atlas]

DISCOORDD.. WHERES HYTALE?

[solid sand]

Tho some form of monetization is needed if the server is solely based off that one gamemode. You need to get time to develop a custom star wars gamemode and also pay for hosting

*Will be needed down the road

[rose atlas]

i want to make an insane modded network with variety of original content + tools to allow users to make their own experiences within the server and have a made by: (player) on screen..

[barren halo]

I mean… you could also just not call it by anything trademarked, like call it lazerswords or something like that

Or frontbattling 4

[rose atlas]

Star blasters? XD

[median cloak]

Even YouTube has

[leaden crystal]

I'll take it thx 🦧

[solid sand]

Would take a lot of time, especially allowing players to create their own experiences. Maybe a year or two. Gl tho

[wintry jungle]

Yep, just wait the ToS and enjoy the travel

[solid sand]

Hytale must have been in development a lot of time if in 2019 they already did a significant amount of progress especially on such good tools for developers

I just hope that it doesnt have a custom ide and that i can just use intellij idea

[tepid arrow]

so wait what does hytale taking 0% mean for server owners? will hypixel demand a cut of the revenue generated by servers? have they clarified this?

[wise bridge]

When hytale will be available for android?

[tranquil solar]

at the time of the sale to riot weren't they like pretty close to early access and then riot decided to just throw out the entire codebase

[tranquil solar]

in several years if at all

[wise bridge]

😭

[rose atlas]

5-10 years

[drowsy vapor]

💀

[wise bridge]

Guess i'm just gonna play hypixel skyblock till it releases for android

[rose atlas]

pc is priority rn

[solid sand]

Very dumb move by riot i dont know how they expected to make an engine in a short amount of time and for the game to not lose popularity.

[worn tartan]

replace "when hytale will" with "will hytale"

[solid sand]

Like it had at the time the trailer was released*

[wise bridge]

They said it will be available for other platforms

Like maybe xbox, ps, ios, android

Is hytale free rn?or have to pay?

[tranquil solar]

i think their intent was to be able to make it more easily cross platform which may be difficult with the legacy engine for whatever reason

[solid sand]

It will be available down the road in a few years because simon decided to just use the legacy engine instead of continuing the development of the new one

[tranquil solar]

pricing will be announced sometime this week but it almost definitely won't be free

[wise bridge]

Yeah it wont or maybe they will make it free but they will sell in game skins/currencies

Ranks etc...

[solid sand]

Yes but making the development 6+ years is crazy

Especially when the game was about to go into early access

[lunar swan]

It probably won't, and they shouldn't. I'd rather have a paid game that's not behaving like a f2p, than something with full-on cosmetics, in-game purchases etc.

[wise bridge]

i think hytale is going to break minecrafts record

Yeah 1 time purchase is better

And cheaper for us

[solid sand]

I agree. But they said in the blog post pricing will be announced in a few days along with the early access release date

[wise bridge]

Is this hytale?

[tawny ginkgo]

I hope it will be this month 🙏

[rose atlas]

yes

[granite raptor]

yeah they will be different tier in term of pricing for people that want to support the game more but it's definitely one time fee

[solid sand]

Maybe even a release this month, im probably being overly optimistic

[wise bridge]

Damn graphic is so cool

What is minium required specification?

[floral gorge]

nobody knows, it will be revealed later

[wise bridge]

Ok

[rose atlas]

we dont know but they said a potato laptop with integrated gpu can run at 60 fps

[wise bridge]

yess lets go🤩

[floral gorge]

or atleast i didnt see it anywhere, but i wont say that its the same as mc, probably a little bit more, maybe like downgraded valorant from what we've seen graphically

[wise bridge]

I think it is like hypixel's skyblock

Since people really like it

[floral gorge]

a little bit harder on the pc than that i think, its going to be an open world game = rendering, fps goes down

[solid sand]

Cant wait for hypixel skyblocks official resource pack

[floral gorge]

they are planning a resource pack?

[wise bridge]

i think it is to soon pal ask later

[solid sand]

Iirc they said it maybe a few months ago somewhere

[meager hamlet]

Need to start working on stuff

[manic totem]

Defo too soon, I don't think we even know what the API is like yet

[floral gorge]

didnt know, my pc cant really handle java mc so im stuck playing bedrock

[wise bridge]

I'm a vibe coder can i come in?

[solid sand]

Cant wait to see how the api would look like

[wise bridge]

3 skulls😅

[floral gorge]

its way too soon, we dont even know the minimal specs for it or any limits that it can go to, i think its better to wait a month or 2 before they announce something, but idk im not really int othese things

[solid sand]

We need to poison the llms with bad hytale code on github

[wise bridge]

😂

Well vibe coding is not bad i made stuff i made a huge website actually a complex one

[solid sand]

Leaving your computer overnight must be 🔥

[manic totem]

It's not bad persay, more just hard to work with given you have no idea what's going on

[wise bridge]

zeda ur in pawan's server you must be a programer right?

[solid sand]

And hoping that llm doesnt delete your entire file system

[wise bridge]

On mobile actually i had a laptop but broke it🥲

Wait what is llm ?

[solid sand]

Yes I am. I was looking for free llms for my public project

[manic totem]

large language model, your ai

[wise bridge]

well they provide free ai idk about the large one🙂

But i dont think it will work with public projects token limits

[floral gorge]

im gonna pretend like i understand yall

[wise bridge]

Lol

Cam and greg are not even in SBM or hypixel's server or sbz or sbs

Dont you guys play minecraft? or hypixel skyblock?

[floral gorge]

my pc cant physically handle java minecraft

[manic totem]

Play? No, not really. I find joy in the back side of minecraft, hence dev

[floral gorge]

i have an pentium g2020

[solid sand]

💀

A light bulb can run a minecraft server btw

[floral gorge]

yeah, my pc is a concrete wall

[wise bridge]

Hmmm

Tbh my old laptop couldnt run mc aswell 🥲

[floral gorge]

i mean, i can play bedrock on my pc

[wise bridge]

It is been like 2.4 years i'm on my phone

[wise bridge]

Yeah java is the issue somehow it is hard lmoa

[floral gorge]

the optimisation is awful

[wise bridge]

I dont like bedrock it is buggy so buggy

[floral gorge]

i cant even run it with sodium and 2 chunks

my cpu is ltierally 12 years old

[true socket]

oof, what OS are you running

[cobalt wolf]

will java or c# be used to make server plugins?

[floral gorge]

windows 10

[manic totem]

Id assume Java

[cobalt wolf]

ooh nicee

[true socket]

might be a good idea to swap to some very lightweight Linux distribution because I’d imagine windows 10 will be using like half your cpu by itself

[wise bridge]

Guys i'm planning to buy a PC
i will just play COC and minecraft and hytale in the future
is
rx580 or gtx 1660
and
ryzen 3 3600 Or ryzen 5 5600
is it good

[manic totem]

tiny11 moment

[floral gorge]

i dont really care anymore, im getting a new pc for christmas anyway

[floral gorge]

what budget

[solid sand]

Zorin os lite has windows like ui and is good

I would swap that gtx 1660 super for rtx 3060 ti

Basically every gsmr will look playable/kinda good on 3060 ti

[true socket]

nah maybe like mint xfce or lubuntu or debian with xfce or something

[wise bridge]

500,000IQD

[floral gorge]

to usd/eur?

[wise bridge]

idk let me google it

[floral gorge]

hmm

[manic totem]

ok google, 500k does not equal 50k

381

[lunar swan]

Proxmox, good ! 😂

[wise bridge]

381.86

[manic totem]

proxmox very cool, indeed :D

[solid sand]

381,68 $

[true socket]

would this be with new or used parts

[floral gorge]

uhh, id say r5 3600 and maybe an rx 570 for thebudget, you can upgrade it later + you arent playing any intensive games imo

idk the pricing in iraq so i cant tell

[wise bridge]

I guess used and if i'm lucky new

[solid sand]

Uhh at that budget I would get integrated graphics

[wise bridge]

Idk tbh

[true socket]

I’d say generally go for the better used parts at that budget

[solid sand]

Or some graphics card like gtx 1660 super if using used parts

[wise bridge]

Thats 1 month and 11 days work in iraq

[floral gorge]

or go for the r5 5600G and later buy a gpu when you have the money for it

[tranquil solar]

find a used office PC and buy a graphics card

[wise bridge]

And pc's in iraq is cheaper than other countries

[solid sand]

In iraq parts are probably cheaper

[wise bridge]

Yes

[true socket]

they won’t be that much cheaper theyre still getting imported from the same countries

[solid sand]

I would get good used parts tho

[wise bridge]

I know someone he sells pc pre build

[floral gorge]

you know price for pcs?

[wise bridge]

Let me show u some examples

[solid sand]

I was previously saying what that money would get you in america/europe

[lunar swan]

Does anyone know if we'll be able to do per-client rendering ? i.e. maybe only showing a specific mob to certain players ?

[wise bridge]

CPU: INTEL XION 2650 V4 12CORE 24THREAD

GPU: RX580 8GB 2048SP

RAM: 2×8 16GB RAM

HARD1: SSD 256GB SATA

HARD2: SSD 128GB SATA

MB: X99 DDR4 XION

POWER SUPLAY: 500W COLER MASTER

COLER: AIR COLER 1 FAN RGB

CASE: DARKFLASH 8 FAN RGB + HAB + CONTROL

I'm not sure about the cpu

[solid sand]

Probably, paper can already do that

[true socket]

I mean it’ll be possible, as for whether it’ll be in the API or not we don’t know

[floral gorge]

cpu is nothing much imo, its old and not a gaming one, the rest is mid, depends on the price

[wise bridge]

GPU: RTX 2060PLUS GALAX 2 FAN RGB

CPU: RYZEN R5 3500X 6CORE 6THREAD

RAM: 2×8 16 GB T-FORCE RGB 3200MHZ

MB: GIGABYTE B450M DS3H

HARD1: M2 NVME 256GB XLR8

HARD2: 1TB HHD

COLER: AIR COLER RGB 1FAN

POWER SUPLAY: 550W 80 PLUS

CASE RGB: BLACK 6FAN RGB

I can get this with my budget

[lunar swan]

Alright !

[scarlet spoke]

Looks like straight out of 3d printer

[floral gorge]

get this one, idk about the power supply tho, but it may be just enough

[wise bridge]

Wdym?

[true socket]

cpu here is trash and they’ve put way too much into the weird case and too many fans

[floral gorge]

the case

[wise bridge]

Yeah i think 600w is much better

[floral gorge]

idk how much the 2060 needs, but i think its enough

[true socket]

This is way better than the other one

[wise bridge]

Ok now i know what to get i just need to convince my parents let me buy it😬

[true socket]

for this hardware it doesn’t matter

[wise bridge]

they even come with a monitor

[floral gorge]

even better

[wise bridge]

Yeah i just need a PC, DESK, MONITOR
i got the rest

[floral gorge]

i mean, the desk isnt really needed, just take a random piece of wood and make a desk

[true socket]

as for the power supplies I mean theyre all concerning lol there is no good option because they wont say the brand/model

[solid sand]

Or game on floor

[floral gorge]

also an option

[true socket]

nah bad option

[floral gorge]

better then no game at all

[wise bridge]

Who such stupid brand make a bad ps

Well still i can play on mobile but it is slow and abit laggy and not all mods compatible

[floral gorge]

a lot, they are trying to save as much money as possible, even msi ones exploded for no reason

[true socket]

there are tons of trash power supplies out there from random brands, it wont affect the performance but its more likely to break or explode

[floral gorge]

its really easy to screw psus up

[true socket]

you don’t have much of a choice though

[floral gorge]

one bad capacitor and its bye bye

[solid sand]

Pc goes away completely fried in seconds

[true socket]

with such low powered components it isn’t likely but still worth considering because a bad psu can kill everything

[solid sand]

Maybe look into changing the power supply for a more expensive one if available. Obviously after a few months.

[floral gorge]

yh, it just shortens and probably eithre fries or explodes the other parts

[wise bridge]

So if ps explode what will happen will other parts get dmged bad?

[floral gorge]

sometimes

[true socket]

I doubt it is easy to find good new power supplies at a good price where he lives

[solid sand]

One can still try i guess

[true socket]

potentially it could kill almost everything

[wise bridge]

Sorry idk why but discord for some reason disabled my account while speaking😬

[dawn spire]

hytale really gotta bring survival games back, the game fits the gamemode so much better then minecraft

[floral gorge]

it can end really badly - killing most of the components, or doing almost nothing

[true socket]

bruh we barely even know what the combat is like yet

[dawn spire]

huh? theres already been gameplay of the combat

[floral gorge]

that was on the legacy egnine no?

[true socket]

how much?

[dawn spire]

yes and we are back on the legacy engine

[floral gorge]

there were some teasers

[wise bridge]

i think we should not ask for anything because the game is not even released yet

[true socket]

new engine is abandoned now

[floral gorge]

ik, but idk how much of the work is already done from last time, they might be doing it fro mthe start or already have something

[amber cape]

Hello everybody, does someone here is a developer in Minecraft ?

[wise bridge]

did riot games bought hytale then resell it to simon again?

[floral gorge]

yes, simon bought it this month i think for 25 mil

[amber cape]

Yes

[dawn spire]

more then enough, you can see the knockback of a hit, a sword in his right and a shield in his left hand. it also seems to be slower then mc combat

[wise bridge]

Lmoa 2 years

[floral gorge]

and hes entirely funding it from his own money with the co-founder

[wise bridge]

Who is the co founder?

[amber cape]

Hello everybody, does someone here is a developer in Minecraft ? (Someone who’s developing with Java)

[floral gorge]

philippe orphelippe, idk how is it spelled

[wise bridge]

Ok

[floral gorge]

it was in the blog post

[true socket]

yeah most of us will be probably

[wise bridge]

I'm a vibe coder what you need i know smth

[amber cape]

Are you familiar with Java ?

[wise bridge]

Yeah

I have studied basics

[scarlet spoke]

Basics of entering text into Copilot?

[wise bridge]

Lmoa

[solid sand]

I am, currently making a massive add on for towny i currently wrote 1000+ lines

[amber cape]

Do you have a GitHub ? If someone here is a developer and familiar with Java, i would be happy if you dmd me !

[solid sand]

I dont have much on github. Planning to release my new plugin on it tho. I'm interested into why are you looking for a java dev

[dawn spire]

werent you active on altv dc years ago

[wise bridge]

Ziyad say what you need like why do you need the developer for what purpose so someone with expierence will dm u

I have a github i have published afew plugins

I love speaking with scammers

[pulsar obsidian]

GITHUB GIT OPERATIONS ARE DOWN NOW 💔

[wise bridge]

What?

[scarlet spoke]

Yeah

[amber cape]

So I’m a developer and IA student, I’m willing to make a full experience server for the community and I’m looking for a team :)

[dawn spire]

github is dropping the git to turn into phub

[pulsar obsidian]

AHAHAHHAHA

[wise bridge]

aha well good luck i can give you ideas if you want to

[wise bridge]

phub? another fork of git?

[static portal]

first cloudflair now github? did their ai turn anti corporation or something?

[worn tartan]

he's clueless guys don't ruin him

[solid sand]

💀

[wise bridge]

Clueless what

[pulsar obsidian]

💔

[worn tartan]

all good g

[pulsar obsidian]

All fault of VibeSDK guys

[wise bridge]

He is roleplaying an agent😂

[wintry jungle]

I wish see the docs to train a IA?)

[dawn spire]

I wish for every vibe coder’s sleeves to slip down while they’re washing their hands.

[modest burrow]

What’s a vibe coder

[solid sand]

💀

[scarlet spoke]

Hytale Roleplay will be a thing, ngl

[wise bridge]

It is someone has ideas but cant code

And uses ai

[main moon]

Gonna use Gemini 3 to build Minecraft in Hytale

[dawn spire]

some harry potter mods combined with roleplay would fit the games art style etc perfectly

[wise bridge]

Lmoa it will work trust me

But need time tbh

[solid sand]

And then hopes the ai doesn't delete his filesystem while its coding overnight

[modest burrow]

Ah what a joke

[wise bridge]

it does not actually take a night it is like 10 or 15 minute each feature

[worn tartan]

speaking from experience i see

[wise bridge]

Check my bio i made a website a movie website in 3 days i think

[minor oasis]

Wow, this server is growing fast. It's gone from about 10000 to 23000 in just the last few hours since I joined, and the server has only been open for a little over 24 hours !

[solid sand]

Depending on application and how long it will struggle to fix his errors

[wise bridge]

Yeah i'm vibe coding every day😂

[dawn spire]

its over 50k i think

[modest burrow]

We’re not gonna get hytale for 5 years I bet or more

[dawn spire]

60k almost damn

[solid sand]

Did it drop your database already 🤣 @wise bridge

[modest burrow]

They dropped the project for a reason and sold off

[dawn spire]

its announced to be released in a rough state very soon

[modest burrow]

Sure it is lol

[dawn spire]

it is read the blog post

[modest burrow]

That’s just to get people to shutup I think

[dawn spire]

shutup from what? the project was shut down no one expected anything?

[minor oasis]

Right, I'm only seeing the people who are online. Lots of people stay permanently invisible.

[wise bridge]

Tbh i tried to use database i have 2tb but i lost like 1.3mlion tokens just failures

[modest burrow]

Shutup from being curious about when there’s gonna be any release

When they continue the project

[minor oasis]

Is there a way to see the total in this server even if they are offline at the moment?

[wise bridge]

Then i decided to use users browser localstorage or their google drive account

[dawn spire]

the next blog posts features the release date + pricing tho

[rose atlas]

Almost 60k members

[modest burrow]

I’ll believe it when I see it

[dawn spire]

only on mobile for some reason, its always been like that on discord

[solid sand]

When ai is building a database either it will drop it, finish it with security issues or it will not finish it at all and uninstall itself

[static portal]

how do you know?

[modest burrow]

Not optimistic about them putting out a release date. The project seems very cooked

[dawn spire]

stated in the blog post "Early access date: To be announced in the coming days"

[static portal]

yes? how do you know its the next blog post?

[dawn spire]

you think they will put out 27 blog posts in the next days or what

[wise bridge]

94 boosts already

[modest burrow]

Project is cooked it’s not coming out for ages

[rose atlas]

60k in 2 days is crazy work

[static portal]

server exsit since 2018

[wise bridge]

This server created since DEC 14 2018 it is old

[rose atlas]

Damn

[static portal]

no? again you don't have any proof the release date nor the pricing will be in the next blog psot

[modest burrow]

Sold off to riot games because project was cooked. Riot then said scrap this project it’s cooked. Sold it back to hypixel studios who realized it’s cooked so went back to their code base from 6 years ago.

[rose atlas]

How about we just wait instead of speculate

[modest burrow]

And that’s where we’re at now

[dawn spire]

"COMING IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS
Gameplay footage and screenshots (unpolished, as-is)
Detailed patch notes from our recent work
Modding capabilities and roadmap blog post
Pricing details for different editions
Plenty of updates and communication
Early Access Release Date"

obviously hints at the infos being most likely in the next blog post

[rose atlas]

The legacy engine was nearly done but riot said no and wanted a new engine but the legacy engine is good

[static portal]

but its not said its going to be the next blog post, all of this speculation

[rose atlas]

They already know the legacy engine so why waste time on a new stupid engine

[modest burrow]

Nearly done but hypixel sold it off cuz they couldnt handle it

[rose atlas]

Whatever its still gonna get released and polished overtime which is fine by me!

[modest burrow]

It’s probs gonna be running at 100 fps

[static portal]

its more complex and not just RIOT its also incompetant leadership that had no idea in what state hytale was

[modest burrow]

Voxels are mega hard to make perform well

[rose atlas]

At least the old team is back.

[static portal]

mix of old and new iirc

[rose atlas]

30+ rehired who know the game in and out

[solid sand]

Wondering if they forgot it by now lol

[static portal]

forgot what?

[rose atlas]

Im pretty sure they had files.

[solid sand]

The code

[static portal]

lmao no
you don't really forget code like that

[solid sand]

I mean not completely forgot but need to go over it again to remember everything

[modest burrow]

I already envision hytale working at 60 fps

And being cooked

[sterile dove]

When u code something for 5-10 years 8h/day u wont forget it easily

[near raptor]

Sure, it'll take a bit of time to get reaquinted with the code, but often when writing code you just build on top of your experience

Experience which you don't forget easily

[modest burrow]

A bunch of Minecraft players will play hytale. Realize it’s not the buggy Minecraft they are use to. And then just go back to Minecraft

[solid sand]

Yep that's what I am saying basically

[near raptor]

But no doubt their devs will look at the old engine code and be like "ew who wrote that" in some places (only to realize it they wrote it themselves many years ago), as all devs do lol

[rose atlas]

Forgot to crop the meme

[static portal]

first hytale will be buggy
second mc no longer has that much bug, most bug that the player base like became feature (like 99% of movment tech)

[solid sand]

They will see their old comments and laugh lol.

[pulsar obsidian]

💔

[modest burrow]

That’s kinda my point

[rose atlas]

🔥

[solid sand]

Or be traumatized by what they saw under the comment

[static portal]

based on the fact a lot of them are minecraft modder they probably not going to have a lot of comment due to them being used to read code

[main moon]

Guys its been a few hours and still no blogpost...

[rose atlas]

I wonder how long step 2 will take xD

[solid sand]

Comments just speed everything up tho. You will figure it out without the comments but it will take longer

[near raptor]

Meh I never bother to add comments, code should explain itself

[main moon]

The Best Bot 🤩

[solid sand]

Maybe this month. Depending how much work needs to be done

[static portal]

but you would understand it more so it result in it being faster

[near raptor]

Comments added to code explain why, not what

[solid sand]

I'm probably overoptimistic

[solid sand]

If it is a hacky fix sure

[minor oasis]

That's true, but also I did notice that in the last 10 hours the number of online members has grown from 11000 to almost 24000, and that's just the online ones. So if I divide the online by the total I get 23847 / 59822 = 39..8% are online and thus 60.2% are offline. That would mean that with approx 13000 new online would mean about 32000 people in total have joined the server in the last 10 hours.

[static portal]

thank you stat nerd
that is a lot of new player

[modest burrow]

Bad take lol, documentation is for many reasons

[near raptor]

Documentation != code comments

[lavish otter]

Damn, that's a lot (I'm on of them)

[near raptor]

Documentation are pages explaining how to use something, JavaDocs, the likes. Code comments are more like "yo this line does this"

[rose atlas]

Pov: riot trying to code hytale

Anyway.

[torn field]

Comments are for explaining things lol

[solid sand]

Documentation is for nerds. I prefer spending time with code until you just understand it and connect to it in mysterious ways

[modest burrow]

They are a type of documentation yes

[torn field]

Fr

[static portal]

"Code comments are more like "yo this line does this"" this is really really stupid, comment need to explain thing you can't know because of the code
if your coment explain the code, ppl will just read the code and no longer read your comment

[modest burrow]

But sure they serve different purposes

[near raptor]

Sure, code comments can be a type of documentation. But you're dealing with a improperly documented framework if you need to dive into its source code to read the comments there all the time.

[modest burrow]

Agreed

[torn field]

Inb4 unreal engine docs

[static portal]

but what of the framework is minecraft? aka no comment

[lavish otter]

Documentation does more things. For example explaining how to start a project using the library/project, etc...

[near raptor]

Minecraft might have comments, we don't know, it isn't open source

comments tend not to be compiled

[solid sand]

The windows xp comments are crazy 💀

[static portal]

yes, so how do you do it?

[near raptor]

JavaDocs?

[lavish otter]

Imagine compiled comments, that's weird asf

[static portal]

Mc doesn't have javadocs

[torn field]

Even if minecraft isnt commented the code that's readable as of now is fairly easy to understand

[near raptor]

Hm, true I guess, I am mixing Bukkit/Paper with Minecraft

[lavish otter]

And they totally removed obfuscation recently

[torn field]

Yess

[rose atlas]

For Java?

[near raptor]

Yup

[static portal]

do you have any experience in mod dev?

[lavish otter]

Yes, I can look the source if you want

[near raptor]

I have some 8 years of experience in plugin development, though not client-side mods

[meager hamlet]

Looking for interested ppl for a server development on Hytale .

[rose atlas]

You wont need to worry about client side mods for hytale.

[static portal]

plugin aren't mod as you aren't modifying the code
so the answere is no you don't have any

[near raptor]

Luckily not, yes

[lavish otter]

Source : minecraft.net/en-us/article/removing-obfuscation-in-java-edition

[near raptor]

That is an odd conclusion

Just because you don't write client-side mods doesn't mean you don't have experience writing code

[solid sand]

I also dont have any experience in mods, just plugins. I heard modding is painful as the functions change every version.

[minor oasis]

Because minecraft was not open source it took a lot of dedicated people who decompiled it and then started (slowly) to build their own documentation and code comments, which is not easy, but can be done with time and patience.

[near raptor]

🌈 NMS 🌈

[lavish otter]

Same, expect some few lines

[torn field]

I only messed a bit with fabric but seemed easier than forge for sure

[west elk]

🌈 NHS 🌈

[rose atlas]

Your server isnt forced to update with hytale updates. According to them "each server runs its own version".

[lavish otter]

Niiice !

[static portal]

this has nothing to do with client/server side (you can mod server too) and im saying you lack experience of reading undocumented code not writting them

[solid sand]

Nms is mostly useless luckily.

[near raptor]

I have spent countless hours diving in NMS before obfuscation mappings were there. It was hell

[solid sand]

I'm talking about minecraft

[meager hamlet]

I have experience

[static portal]

remaping it*
decompiling is done using tool
and unless you use parchement you won't have any docs

[rose atlas]

Oh

[lavish otter]

Does that means new clients are compatible with old servers by default and the same in the opposite way ?

[static portal]

oh nice, what kind of mod did you do?

[rose atlas]

For hytale:

**How do players customize their playing experience if the client is not open to modding?

When a client connects to a community server with a custom version of the game, a handshake process occurs in which all of the required files, data, sounds, models, animations, and so on are downloaded by the client.**

[solid sand]

I remember the mappings before mojangs

[lavish otter]

YEEE, thanks for the info

[meager hamlet]

Many

[solid sand]

Unfortunately 💀

[near raptor]

Spigot did an alright attempt at figuring out what things were and adding their own mappings

But it is funny that after the obfuscation mappings were released, sometimes you'd see names where Spigot named something and Mojang named it completely something else

[torn field]

So its like counter strike

Epico

[solid sand]

Never mind I mixed the decompiled mappings with the spigot ones

Forgot what they were called

[rose atlas]

My custom servers will have so much fun content.

[near raptor]

The obfuscated code was something like "Let me call function a() on variable aB part of the class D that has function cX(bA, cX)"

[torn field]

But it does raise some security concerns, what if the server contains malicious files?

[solid sand]

Must have been painful for spigot devs to make spigot mappings

[near raptor]

Well after seeing enough code you start to get an understanding on some classes, like "ah this seems like a Player and this function seems to teleport the player"

Anyhows, glad that we don't have to go that route in Hytale

[sterile dove]

Thats how it works on cs,roblox,garrysmod, ect

[static portal]

nah, it will probably only send data to the client, not full code that will be able to do everthing
its similar to how recipe works in minecraft but way more things

or sandbox

[rose atlas]

im pretty sure they sandboxed.

[torn field]

Ah okay makes more sense

[sterile dove]

Has to be

[torn field]

Didnt think of sandboxing

[solid sand]

The last time I used nms was for some weird boolean/function which I didnt realize was added in paper api at that time, I just knew it wasn't in the spigot api.

[mystic gyro]

Working on a serious (not just a passion project) server network - looking for Java devs, builders, promotional/game artists and 3D modelers - lmk if anyones interested

[rose atlas]

im pretty sure everyone here got their own ideas they wanna do but good luck to u

[mystic gyro]

Thanks, we've already got a team together

[rose atlas]

im good at coming up with ideas but i probably wont do that for free xD sorry

[static portal]

i feel like its going to be a good idea to block anyone who ask for devs, if they want to do things they shoud learn its the perfect occasion for it

[amber cape]

That’s not smart Cylian to be honest

[static portal]

why?

[rose atlas]

well people wanna pay devs to do their work for em

its not a bad thing

[amber cape]

Why would someone learn to code when they can pay developers ? Why Xavier Niel isn’t learning machine learning then when he could pay thousands of developers

[static portal]

"Why would someone learn to code when they can pay developers" and thats why i think its a good idea to block them

because of that stupid mentality

[rose atlas]

its not stupid

if i need a job done, i'll pay a person with that job to get that job done! :O

[manic totem]

have you met any large company, ever? Or any company for that matter

[static portal]

yes?

[manic totem]

The CEO isn't gonna do dev work, they're gonna pay someone else to do it

9 times out of 10

[sterile dove]

Is it gonna be like owner grabs money and others work free?

[minor oasis]

Well, I was trying to simplify the description. Yes remapping is done after decompling. I don't think anyone would attempt a remapping of closed source code without decompiling it first. MCP, Yarn etc of course did the remapping.

[topaz bronze]

You all talking as if 9.99/10 that come into servers looking for devs arent just looking for unpaid labor to get their idea across

[mystic gyro]

No - we're doing percentage splits. My entire share will go to hosting costs and the rest to the team.

[manic totem]

If they're not gonna pay you, then I agree with the previous statement. Otherwise, my statement stands

[static portal]

but the ceo still know things about dev, or manage ppl that themselves know how to
but if ppl directly ask for dev defore its even release its obvious that they are more intrested in the money then actually thing that can be done...
Like a lot of big tech CEO!

[true socket]

your server has to like actually make money for this to work out

[rose atlas]

ye lol

you need money to make money btw.

[amber cape]

That’s true but what you said before doesn’t make sense, now I agree!

[mystic gyro]

I have money to startup from previous projects and we already have a following.

[static portal]

ah
so why did those previous project failed?

[true socket]

well good luck I guess

[true socket]

most Minecraft projects will fail that’s fine

[manic totem]

Your DMs are infact disabled

[static portal]

yeah, but they say they are going to be professional "Working on a serious (not just a passion project) server network" so they need to know how to make money

[mystic gyro]

They didn't "fail". I've been in the Minecraft server business for a long time and had great success. I sold some of my servers off, and shut others down.

I've been following Hytale back since 2018 and this was the plan since then.

[rose atlas]

anyway can we go back to talking about hytale servers and stuff? if u wanna find devs for hire theres this website called builtbybit... go there.

[mystic gyro]

BBB is for Minecraft lol and yeah sorry!

[sterile dove]

He is doing a good think if he splits the money fairly and dont abuse devs like most servers do, but any good dev probably wont join for free

[rose atlas]

forums exist for other stuff there

[true socket]

what do you mean by not just a passion project

[mystic gyro]

We already have multiple devs :)

[rose atlas]

other development. go there.

[true socket]

is this on bbb or something

[rose atlas]

yes, BBB

[mystic gyro]

You can DM me if you're really interested - I'm not trying to hog this channel.

[static portal]

they mean it will make money
somehow

[rose atlas]

business thingy

[mystic gyro]

Anyway, what type of plugins are you guys interested seeing in Hytale? 👀

[true socket]

im not interested in joining your dev team il be working on my own dev projects when hytale releases but im trying to say that if your game server project isnt primarily a passion project it probably wont get that far

[rose atlas]

I'm going to wanna go all out and make custom content/ fully loaded mini games network, like kart racing, etc.

[mystic gyro]

Kart racing sounds fun!

[true socket]

I think the best minecraft servers likely all started out as passion projects

[static portal]

thats why its a good idea to block server owner who just ask for devs without even waiting for hytale be to released or explaining what they want to do

[true socket]

nah I don’t like to block people

[amber cape]

So true I’ve made a Minecraft bedrock edition server a long time ago it was top 1 in France for moment because I made it by passion !

[rose atlas]

another idea: slasher mode where its 10 people on small-medium map and a random person gets selected to be a slasher, anyone who he slashes becomes a slasher

[true socket]

im most interested to see the unique gamemodes people will be able to make with the game mechanics we don’t yet know about

[mystic gyro]

Same

[true socket]

servers kinda have to be passion projects because they wont have much players or make much money for quite a long time, and to continue to develop the server through it being ran at a loss with barely any players until people start to notice really requires it to be a passion project in my opinion

[true socket]

where is this from?

[static portal]

its not an opinion its a fact

[rose atlas]

hytale blog, forgot which one tho

[solid sand]

I remember seeing piratesoftware's video on shorts before the controversy and thinking who is this clown

[near raptor]

Did you know he worked at Blizzard?

[rose atlas]

only if this was real

[static portal]

he has year of experience in QA Game Dev!

[true socket]

bruh just wait lol they said they’d announce release date in a some days

[rose atlas]

im willing to preorder 😭

[finite dawn]

No preorders

[queen stirrup]

shizophrenia

[clear wedge]

Probably by the end of this month

[rose atlas]

he should release it on december 13th. same day trailer dropped.

[clear wedge]

Something tells me the launch will happen no later than January

[solid sand]

Did you know there's a lot of programming behind QA. Yea unbeliveable

[main moon]

btw

So what will it sell for?

[clear wedge]

Yeah, things are moving very fast, after all, it's already taken too long, they're taking advantage of the hype, the launch time has to be as quick as possible, the community will support it, even with bugs, etc.

[rose atlas]

me buying founder edition for $100 on cc

[clear wedge]

Many years of waiting for this, it's finally going to happen

[viscid wren]

To be honest $100 isn’t that bad with extra keys

[magic drum]

What language is this game developed in and will it have a dedicated server like Minecraft.

[rich solar]

...

[deft trout]

yo man

[rich solar]

Client is C# and server side is java

[deft trout]

I want to work at Hypixel Studios as engine developer 😭🙏

(graphics engineer)

[magic drum]

Thx

[hidden lichen]

On which operating system will the servers run? Windows Server, Linux?

[true socket]

probably anything which can run a JVM so basically any somewhat commonly used OS

[hidden lichen]

That would be great, then I wouldn't have to rent a separate Windows server.

[worldly oar]

i wanna make a mod like create but definitely too hard for me

[rose atlas]

Can run them on windows and linux i think

[last marlin]

Hard to say without knowing what all comes included in the base game

[rose atlas]

probably everything essential to do with server will be provided base core that can be modified

[last marlin]

I mean more like gameplay content, for example vampires or some sort of vampirism mechanic would be cool, is it already a thing, who knows?

[rose atlas]

u can make custom mobs

[last marlin]

I'm aware

I'm saying I can't suggest what should be added without knowing what is already there

[main moon]

Oh so they actually used the domain

[quartz saddle]

What is arcanite games

[hard walrus]

rare to see someone that isnt consumed by the hype in here 😂

[main moon]

IIRC its simon his gaming studio

After Hytale he sold Hytale he made a gaming studio afaik

[quartz saddle]

So that’s the secret studio?

[last marlin]

I mean, I am a little hyped, I haven't been actively following development since day one like some people but I've been watching Hytale since 2022.

Definitely plan to have a community server as soon as that's possible, get in while the hype is peak

[main moon]

Well, its not really a secret nomore, but this shows that he had the website before the domain or atleast wrote the blogpost on that domain

[quartz saddle]

But that’s the secret game studio he’s been teasing

[main moon]

Yeah well that is it prob

But, the name was already out

[true socket]

do we have any sort of clue what tickrate the server will run at

[hard walrus]

nope but we know what the client ui will use

im checking it out rn, apparently we'll get almost full customization for client ui

so the server will send xaml files to the client for custom ui elements

[chrome sierra]

that is sick

[worn tartan]

looks very fun

[rigid nexus]

How do we know? This is built in C++. The old engine is Java server side and C# client side.

[jolly relic]

extends JavaPlugin 💀

[rigid nexus]

Oh yeah I just saw they have a C# SDK as well.

[grizzled cloud]

im a noob at this tbh but we can make ui for our custome servers? will the program that you showed in the screenshot work for hytale? i dont make ui at all

[wintry jungle]

Jarvis, refactor this minecraft plugin into a hytale mod

[rigid nexus]

I think you can create a plugin on the server and use NoesisGUI to create fully custom GUIs. Because Simon said no one is allowed to touch the client side so everything has to be server side and synced to the client somehow.

[grizzled cloud]

imagine if you could get all minecraft plugins to work with hytale

[twilit phoenix]

Scripting is used to handle the client.

And jsons

[rigid nexus]

noesis uses XAML so I think the UI is XAML and not JSON.

[twilit phoenix]

JSON is for handling the AI of certain mobs, and perhaps for making blocks easier; you can see this in an old blog post.

[summer sapphire]

If the plugin code is written in a clean, platform-agnostic way, most of the logic can be ported to Hytale with minimal changes if Hytale supports Java server side mods!

Just need to update the platform specific parts

[rigid nexus]

I think that is the reason they used Java for the backend, so they can port Hypixel games. Can't think of a different reason why you would ever choose Java..

[summer sapphire]

Java is amazing

It works on all platforms by design because of the JVM and is backwards compatible

It’s also what the team had most experience with

[static portal]

its possible but it would take a LONG time

[feral oyster]

So does C#... but I think that the biggest reason is the most simple... they're former hypixel devs... they're fluent in Java... so why not use Java...

[rich surge]

Do you think it would be possible to convert minecraft map to hytale?

[rigid nexus]

So does C#, C++ and C

[static portal]

no.

[rich surge]

why ?

[static portal]

because they aren't the same game

[rigid nexus]

If you create a mod for it, everything is possible.