⌨coders-cave

[orchid frigate]

lets just look through system32

[cloud solar]

it wont be fun anymore

[orchid frigate]

too long to set up

thats alot of things

[hoary hound]

some people just want to watch the world burn

[orchid frigate]

ok so

[cloud solar]

why there are like milions of exe files?

like there is whole windows in exe lol

[orchid frigate]

im going to stop the stream for 10 minutes to boot into windows

make sure everything is still working there

gonna be back to screw around more

[cloud solar]

ok... ping me in 10 mins

[orchid frigate]

Ok I can confirm

Everything is working as normal

Time to run explorer.exe :)

Actually im gonna start with another system file thats less important

And if everything is ok I.will run the big boy

Wait a second...to run that I will need to mount my windows partition to linux

Yea fuck that im not doing it

@cloud solar you can come now starting any second

[cloud solar]

waiting...

[orchid frigate]

Discord is being a slowpoke

[cloud solar]

watching rn

[orchid frigate]

I will open notepad.exe

WAIT

THIS IS AMAZING

im currently learning how filsystems work and this is file infos

this is basically teaching me that info

[cloud solar]

not sure what it means but cool

[orchid frigate]

ok

what folder should I open next

or file

oh wait found an efi file

[cloud solar]

i saw there is a thing like twain32

whats that?

[orchid frigate]

I can execute this in uefi

no idea

[cloud solar]

hm...

[orchid frigate]

file type is wiatwain

lemme look it up

[cloud solar]

uh... i need to end now

what abt tomorrow mornin?

@orchid frigate cya anyways

[orchid frigate]

ok

I might be free

cya

[next lotus]

wrong

the system32 delete joke is irrelevant it doesnt even work

you'll get permission denied if you try to delete it even with admin

[main brook]

operation not permitted

[main brook]

your comment is irrelevant to jokes

is suppose to be funi

[main brook]

is same like

hamzah making yo mama jokes

he never even met our mama's

so its wrong 1000%

but joke is joke

is still annoying

[next lotus]

oh it was supposed to be funny?

[cloud solar]

@orchid frigate can u stream now?

[errant trail]

some peoples think it is

and if you think no one would possibly laugh at that

look at peoples who like among us memes

[cloud solar]

what is "Offline web pages" in "windows" folder?

and why the icon for it is like... strange

whats "systemReset"

and why when i clicked it like 10 errors appeared

in C:\Windows\System32 there is "cmd" it is in strange extension but i think it is the exe for console

kinda sus

btw that path:

C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\System Tools

is kinda sus

like it contains.. strange things

like function for opening pc

@orchid frigate u know what to do

it contains things like:
"Computer"
"Control panel"
"Run"

i could try to open one of those but i am too scared

C:\Windows\System32\Printing_Admin_Scripts

thats kinda sus

at least i dont have to find what it does

".vbs" hmmm.... last time i saw that kind of extension was like 4 years ago

C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0

hehe

imma just look what i can do

why i cant acess the "Configuration" in system32

"xwizard" huh?

can someone tell me whats that

and why when i try to open it it gives me some info and closes

[main brook]

i think vbs is

virtual box storage

or something

[cloud solar]

thats kinda sus

whats "wusa"?

Windows Update Standalone Installer

hmmm

it sounds like a nuclear reactor

lets run it

wsl:

Microsoft Windows Subsystem for Linux Launcher

thats not funny windows

why it has linux icon

[coral wagon]

EDARKI FINERGAND, LINDINARD FI TOOBU FATMOM

[wet girder]

vbs is a programming language

[cloud solar]

"Microsoft Windows Subsystem for Linux Launcher" whats that then? and why this impostor is on my windows 10

and can i delete it?

[wet girder]

WSL best thing in windows

[wet girder]

Do not do that

you'll fall in love with WSL if you try it

[cloud solar]

what it does tho?

[wet girder]

It's basically Linux inside windows so you can run any Linux apps in windows including bash. A bit like how Wine works in Linux

[cloud solar]

hm... and how this can be useful?

in the case of programmin i mean

[wet girder]

Well I use it for AMP so there's no surprises when I run the code in the vps as the vps runs on Ubuntu

There's also kali WSL so if you want to use Kali Linux without VM which is not a good idea for actual hacking but nice for testing that's a possibility

[cloud solar]

||i will act like i understand||

[next lotus]

skids use kali

actual professional penetration testers i know barely use kali

[main brook]

i just use alpine

[orchid frigate]

Not if you do it from Linux

[short dust]

!rank

[wet girder]

I've heard the opposite atleast for red team/offensive hacking. It's so easy to get a hardly trackable system going that you can always just erase when you're done

For blue team/defensive hacking yeah sure it's not that useful

[next lotus]

ah yes the red team

lets see what they're composed of

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

indian scammers

12 year old python scripters that only knows to clone ddos scripts in github

and people who jumped into hacking without prior knowledge to coding

[wet girder]

Every army has a hacking division of red team hackers

hacktivists are red team hackers

who are partially skids

well mostly skids

but red team is still a big portion of hackers and even skilled hackers need the skills to perform red team hacking

[hasty bane]

12 year old python scripters hacked the colonial pipeline

[orchid frigate]

Tbh everyone hating on skids but

[hasty bane]

everyone was a skid at some point

well not really but a lot of people overestimated themselves when starting out anyway

[orchid frigate]

You could be a skid and do some insane shit

By pasting the right code

Its like os development in normal programming sometimes not being a skid could make you reinvent the wheel but thats according.to my limited hacking knowledge

[next lotus]

everyone has been an skid on some point

[raw notch]

What is skid

[main brook]

no idea

i just code

[hoary hound]

stands for script kiddie

mostly people who brag about their coding skills without having any or very low skills

[main brook]

my classmate

who followed a tutorial to show cool text on terminal

and my brother college

[cloud solar]

||this reminds me of one guy in my school that said he can program in "c+++"||

[orchid frigate]

Where is c+

Why did we jump to c++

Ah I get it because c++ means c+1

I hate it

[barren shale]

or the guy just didnt like how c+ sounded

[cloud solar]

Heh maybe

[cloud solar]

Wait... ||it is really the meaning?||

[orchid frigate]

Yes I just read about it

Something about the name is so fucking infuriating to me now

Makes me want to switch to C

[cloud solar]

Hmm... then why c#?

[orchid frigate]

Because

C+ with....a few pluses in each other

Makes a #

I think its 4

[cloud solar]

Then why no c+++

[orchid frigate]

I fucking hate how the c languages were named ngl

[cloud solar]

I feel dissapointed that there is no c+++

[orchid frigate]

C∆

[cloud solar]

[granite chasm]

Yo

[orchid frigate]

yo

[hasty bane]

c# is pretty cool

.

hate vs tho

[orchid frigate]

some people like you

you just want the world to burn

but you know what no

im not going to disagree to your statement

not because I agree but because I dont want to argue

[hasty bane]

i still use python

but

if c# gives me more Control without slowing down dev speed to C levels
probably gonna switch to it entirely for most of my projects

for the time being at least

[orchid frigate]

if you want C speed

just use C

[hasty bane]

no i meant dev speed

[orchid frigate]

oh

[hasty bane]

i dont really need execution speed that much in my projects

tho c# is like ten times faster than python

[orchid frigate]

idk about dev speed I spend months on implementing a simple 100 line of code feature

[hasty bane]

kek

[orchid frigate]

and 3 months fixing a single bug

[hasty bane]

it depends on what you're making ig

i just dont want to be slowed down by

obscure syntax and weird shit

[orchid frigate]

also switching to C++ for my kernel

[hasty bane]

-> rust

[orchid frigate]

biggest mistake

ever

oop

is hell

[hasty bane]

lmao

[orchid frigate]

Im making a cult that is forbidding every language that has oop

[hasty bane]

there are only 2 ways to do oop

[orchid frigate]

SO MANY FUCKING LINKER ERRORS AAHHHH

[hasty bane]

all in

or just dont do it at all

i refuse to accept having classes AND functions in the same thing

[orchid frigate]

I refuse to have classes in general

and im slowly starting to hate namespaces too

because my _main function has to be....where?

[hasty bane]

in the code

[orchid frigate]

if im linking it to an assembly object file how do I tell assembly to look in the System namespace

or the linker

[hasty bane]

you just dew it

[orchid frigate]

so I get it out but now nothing works

[hasty bane]

[orchid frigate]

because everything else is in the namespace

so fuck oop im going back to C

But to transition to C I will have to get rid of an entire namespace and rename 30+ files

ahhhhh

[hasty bane]

[orchid frigate]

but now im wondering

if its this bad why do people use it

so why do you use it

[hasty bane]

uh

I dont know, actually

it does look clean tho

[orchid frigate]

because it looks clean

thats a typical answer

but this is going to make me create a screenshot of pre and after oop to show just how overly complex it is

fuck it anti-oop cult has been established

[hasty bane]

i mean

i do like functions a lot

[orchid frigate]

also apparently

the creator of oop calls it the biggest mistake of programming

[hasty bane]

lmao

[orchid frigate]

but the creator of null said the same so

about null

according to some website oop costed trillions on the economy

yea I dont think thats true lmao

[hasty bane]

oop literally caused ww2

[orchid frigate]

next thing they say is gonna be "why oop is the main source of world hunger and how it created covid"

[hasty bane]

real

[orchid frigate]

the website started talking about....oh god

apparently oop did cause a car accident

because someone with bad oop knowledge programmed the car bad?

[hasty bane]

anyway i can do both oop and functional

its like infinity stones

[hasty bane]

bruh

thats just shit code

shit code is shit

oop or not

[orchid frigate]

"Why is OOP the root of all evil?"

this an actual part of the website

no joke

I was joking about the world hunger thing but they took it next level

[hasty bane]

damn

the author really hates objects

[orchid frigate]

there may also be a cult about it

because there is a name that sounds like a cult name

I cant tell if this website is fr or not

now they are talking about pchycology

jesus the author probably got fired from his job because he didnt know oop so he went crazy and wrote this

the author is the average os dev lmao

[tacit violet]

oop is the root cause of all misfortune in the world

oop fell from heaven

after eve bit into the forbidden fruit, oop was created

and i love it

[orchid frigate]

what do you like about it

im curious

[cloud solar]

what do u think abt scratch and is it a good start? (askin couse my opinion on this is that it isnt good)

@orchid frigate whatdoyou think abt it?

[orchid frigate]

uhmmm

I think its a good start because it teaches you how to program and think like a programmmer

this is the answer I expect

I want to understand why people like it so that I can like it but I cant when people get mad because I asked

if you dont want to answer dont asnwer as simple as that

[wet girder]

It's better than being a skid

atleast you learn something

[orchid frigate]

as much as I hated on classes

technically they just fixed a linker error of mine

so I guess they are ok

[bright elk]

Every single time I try JavaScript, I want to shoot myself

[plush cedar]

same

python just the same

[barren shale]

Maybe you guys are bad

[bold rover]

No u

[hard wedge]

lmfao

[blazing jay]

Hello

[orchid frigate]

Or maybe you are bad

[barren shale]

Maybe I am bad

But you are definitely bad

[orchid frigate]

But maybe you are worse

[blazing jay]

Hi guys

[swift lake]

Hi

[orchid frigate]

The more I read about how computers connect.to the internet the more I see IPs as a computer's personal invitation number to this cool party known as the internet where it can communicate with other members

And the router is the cool kid who hands the invitations

Or maybe its the assistant of the cool kid or the mail man

Yea the mail man is more like it

[errant trail]

js handles alot of things for you so if you think that js is hard then oh boy i have a news for you

[cloud solar]

relatable

[errant trail]

oh you make stuff in roblox

you are just more used to lua

i would say the same if i transition to lua

[wet girder]

Lua is a disgrace to programming. That language has no good use cases because it's just complete garbage and Roblox still decided to use it in it's game engine

[cloud solar]

I 1000% agree

[raw notch]

Yes

[wet girder]

Amazing idea

6h ping

[cloud solar]

[main brook]

lmao

its like

birds are unreal

and its for government monitoring

now became

birds are for internet to carry packets

[barren shale]

i like the example they gave

[orchid frigate]

Reading the wiki article for it

I love how the writer talks about it like its something serious and not ridiculous

Especially with the packet loss example

[main brook]

it is a proposal tho

[orchid frigate]

Well apparently it was proposed on april fools

So it is technically just not a very serious one

[main brook]

its a good idea tho

imagine if they suggest

mices

[orchid frigate]

Imagine if you have to transfer the packets yourself

Someone in Australia will be like "yep lemme just go to the usa to make a request to check out this cooking recipe for a cake online"

[next lotus]

wdym, ip is handled by isp

[orchid frigate]

But the os dev wiki says otherwise I think

Yea

There are so many fucking networking protocols

Implementing them will be a nightmare

[main brook]

aren't ips supposed to be

uh

handled like

local ip and public ip

and like

routers ip

are the one connecting to the actual internet

where its registered

and then

the router would actually get packets

from local ips

and forward them

to the internet

[orchid frigate]

From what im getting

[main brook]

haydot are you on mobile

[hoary hound]

Rei writing in one single message challenge (impossible)

[main brook]

impossible

[hoary hound]

Anyway your description is pretty much accurate

[main brook]

yayayay

that's 1 point for me

[orchid frigate]

The ip is being translated to mac adress which is thE actual important thing

[main brook]

aren't mac address supposed to be like

the device

[orchid frigate]

Yes

[hoary hound]

MAC addresses are unique to devices

Ips are not

[main brook]

yes

[orchid frigate]

The ethernet card gives you that adress

[main brook]

and the ethernet

go to the internet

to see if the mac is taken?

[orchid frigate]

Idk

I only know the os side stuff

[hoary hound]

MAC is given by ethernet card producers

Like

When the card is produced, it already has a MAC address

[orchid frigate]

Like that the os contacts the ethernet card to gain a mac adress

And using that mac adress contacts the router to give it an ip adress

And using the ip adress it's able to use different protocols to access the internet

[hoary hound]

iirc routers have the MAC table

Simply put, a database that creates associations between ips and Mac addresses

No waot

That's not the MAC table

Hold on

[orchid frigate]

MacOS

[hoary hound]

Jk that thing is on the switches

[main brook]

analog are making a comeback

:o

[orchid frigate]

I wonder how the os uses the, for instance, htt protocol to ask for stuff

Like does.it contact the router telling it "hey give me this"

Sadly the os dev wiki is like "yea these things exist but you figure out how to implement them "

[main brook]

http?

or htt

[orchid frigate]

Http = htt protocol

Thats what I meant

Hyper-text something something protocol

[main brook]

oh right

well

its just

socket

underneath it all

http basically sends you a header

mainly the content-size

[hoary hound]

Your host sends and HTTP request, the router forwards it, DNS magic stuff happens and it reaches the server

[main brook]

and read accordingly

most of the http are

literally

all

is handled on socket

its just socket

but easier

but also

its only short lived

[orchid frigate]

Who is the host

[hoary hound]

You

[orchid frigate]

Pc or router

[hoary hound]

Pc

[main brook]

both

[hoary hound]

Well ok

[main brook]

pc accepts incoming packets

and that packets

came from router

the router is essentially

the host too

[orchid frigate]

Implementing this shit will be a nightmare indeed

[hoary hound]

If I remember correctly routers have a different name

[main brook]

yes they do

[hoary hound]

Wtf are you trying to do

[orchid frigate]

Implement some internet protocols to my os

[hoary hound]

[main brook]

is gonna be hard

[orchid frigate]

I know how to do the basic stuff like contacting the router and ethernet cards via ports but I need to have an idea of low level networking

[main brook]

sockets?

you know those are file descriptor right

[orchid frigate]

[main brook]

since those are file descriptor

you can just

read(fd)

[hoary hound]

ISO OSI stack enters the chat

There's so much stuff about networking

[main brook]

yes

i wasted

6month

learning networking

[hoary hound]

Well I had it as a subject in high school lol

So basically 3 years

[main brook]

woah that's cool

[orchid frigate]

Yea I have to implement read() because Im only working with the basics

[main brook]

doesn't it came

with the C lib

its a standard c lib

[hoary hound]

I think I have the CCNA certificate, but idk where it is now

[main brook]

you should use it

[orchid frigate]

I don't have std

[main brook]

why and how

[main brook]

L

[orchid frigate]

Std requires alot of os dependent stuff

[main brook]

ah true

[orchid frigate]

Which a new os doesnt have

I have to implement everything from print() to allock() to all the other std stuff

[main brook]

wait

haydot

you can't access

stdio.h

[orchid frigate]

No

Not at all

[main brook]

https://c.tenor.com/V68-MgqFCdEAAAAM/kaoruko-moeta-comic-girls.gif

[orchid frigate]

If I do I will get 1000 errors

This is why this shit is tough you have to implement everything yourself meaning contacting hardware

And contacting hardware means you have to talk to ports and there are 1000 ports some of which manufacturer dependant

[main brook]

wait wait

you're making kernel from scratch

or

[orchid frigate]

And dont even get me started on graphics.as you have to write your own graphics drivers for every gpu

Yes

Kernel from nothing

[main brook]

oml

haydot

🥺

don't die please

[orchid frigate]

I have been doing it for 5 months or so

[main brook]

phew

if you die

the C# cult will take over the channel

[orchid frigate]

Writing 100 lines of code takes around...3.months

[main brook]

better than nothing

like me

[orchid frigate]

Not including the time you spend fixing linker errors

Because of FUCKING OOP

[main brook]

heh

[orchid frigate]

"multiple definitions of System::Writer::HexToString()" "multiple definitions of your mom"

I could make it easier.on myself and use uefi

Which simplifies things to the point writing a kernel is like writing an average application

But for some reason my efi is broken so it freezes when I read from volume which I need to load the kernel

Ahhhhhh

Writing an os is masochism so call me a masochist

Because I love it

[main brook]

same

being a masochist is great

[orchid frigate]

What are you coding

Last I remember you were doing some filesystem stuff

[main brook]

uhm

is nsfw so

well

putting that aside

im now doing os

and its killing me 💀

I also fucked up my filesystem

when chrooting

cause i forgot to unmount the chroot /dev /sys /proc

and my whole system be fucked up

so i rebooted twice

[orchid frigate]

Os dev?

[main brook]

not really but

os thinkering

im learning how filesystem works

socket file

and fds

mostly on concept

[orchid frigate]

Ah I will need to learn about this too

[main brook]

its easy

[orchid frigate]

When I eventually get to creating a file system

[main brook]

until they decided to fuck you from behind

[main brook]

no

no

do not

use ext4

oh wiat

[orchid frigate]

I will make my own because fuck implementating ntfs and ext4

[main brook]

that's linux only

e

well i guess

for now use fat32

[orchid frigate]

The thing is

[main brook]

fat32 LBA

cause bios

[orchid frigate]

To implement my own would be easier than implementing ext4

[gritty herald]

is it possible to add mod on mobile world box?

[main brook]

its also possible to grow common sense

[orchid frigate]

Considering I will still have to make it

[main brook]

true

[orchid frigate]

And write it

[main brook]

well the

thing is

is kinda confusing

[orchid frigate]

I really just care about the extremely low level base of a file system

[main brook]

same

[gritty herald]

hello?

[orchid frigate]

Fro my perspective it's folder = a changing space from memory adress A to memory adress B

Or a sector (not the 512 byte sector a different sector).of bytes

[orchid frigate]

No you cannot

Ext4 is awesome

Would be nice to implement

But it would take...years? To learn

And im not thay masochistic

[gritty herald]

@orchid frigate thnk u

[main brook]

also

read the channel and description next time

<3 thanks

[orchid frigate]

Before I make a filesystem tho I need to figure out why multiboot2 is shit

And doesnt give me the boot info I need

[main brook]

L

[orchid frigate]

I had a mental breakdown in vc yesterday over C screwing with me because of multiboot2

Also @cloud solar wanna stream some time later?

[cloud solar]

i can now

well kinda

[orchid frigate]

what about now? @cloud solar

[cloud solar]

uh... i unfortunately cant now

what about in an hour or so?

[orchid frigate]

ok

sure

just ping me when you can

[cloud solar]

ok

[half warren]

⚠ Warned Глеб#3690

🔇 Muted Глеб#3690 for 12 hours

[cloud solar]

@orchid frigate can u stream now?

[orchid frigate]

Sure

Just need to boot into linux

[cloud solar]

i will open unity so i can stream too

[orchid frigate]

oh wow

there is quite a few people streaming as it is

[cloud solar]

ye

[cloud solar]

so maybe voice chat 2

[orchid frigate]

ok

[cloud solar]

and lets hope it wont lag

what do u think abt that?

like that gui

[orchid frigate]

lemme see it

I think its pretty nice

cozy and not overdone or overdecorated

but maybe you could add a back button

that isnt the home button on the top

[cloud solar]

wdym back button?

[orchid frigate]

that is the setting menu correct?

the thing before the main menu

that you showed

[cloud solar]

ye

the home button is the button to go to main manu

[orchid frigate]

well actually I changed my mind its pretty good as it is

but lemme show you what I did

so many linker errors

[cloud solar]

looks cool

||stil not sure why the code looks alien||

[orchid frigate]

mainly because its all writing to hardware

and the only thing hardware understands is hexadecimal

so you have to write in its language..kinda

[cloud solar]

shouldnt it also be converted to binary language then?

[orchid frigate]

yes the instructions

but in some cases you will have to have certain bytes in certain locations

like lets say you are writing to a port

you gotta have an instruction for that aswell as arguments for that instruction aka the hexadecimal stuff

also you got no std lib

so you are literally working with the basics with no library

[cloud solar]

||gonna pretend like i understand ||

[orchid frigate]

ok to rephrase half the program you gotta write the bytes yourself

because legacy BIOS and its wonders of doing absolutely nothing for you

[cloud solar]

seems logic

anyways now i am gonna program dialogue system for my game

[orchid frigate]

ok

im gonna continue reading documentation thats probably older than me

@cloud solar im wondering what color would you make text thats informational

like screen width or something like that

[cloud solar]

yellow

or red

or green

[orchid frigate]

yellow it is

red is already in use for errors and im planning to make green successes

or I could use yellow for warnings....

[cloud solar]

@orchid frigate imma end for now

cya tomorrow anyways

[orchid frigate]

ok

cya

[silent moth]

Hello

How do u get the link

To get worlds

[main brook]

no idea watchu mean

maybe next time

ask in #🌎general or something

[orchid frigate]

also bad idea

#🌋worldbox-chat

#🌎general is also off-topic

[main brook]

oh forgor

💀

i just open this channel 24/7

but atleast better than associating code with worldbox

unless is actually for like the worldbox code

[digital birch]

#🌐map-downloads

[cloud solar]

where the windows gui is located?

i mean the folder

[orchid frigate]

im pretty sure everything is scattered around

there isnt one place that things exist in

[next lotus]

which ui

you mean microsoft windows?

there are like dozens of ui libraries in windows

[orchid frigate]

I think he means the desktop environment

Gui

[subtle bison]

Sometimes Android gets on my nerves... Google removed the ability to have the System Files app access game files. Why did they do this?

[wet girder]

really?

that destroys the whole point of android

time to do research and do a twitter rant

nvm

it's just the app

no one cares. No one uses the basic file manager anyway

[main brook]

rooting on android became harder

especially when its not samsung

[main brook]

i do

and i use basic file manager

when i need UI

otherwise i just use termux

no idea why

[hasty bane]

i got a samsung

epic!!

[main brook]

nice

[next lotus]

me too

like holy shit cant you just let us write on storage

our last project required us to communicate between 2 apps

the working folder that allows any app to write on is Documents

we decided to just go with local udp server

[main brook]

why udp

[barren shale]

tcp super slow for big files

so that's probably why udp

[next lotus]

tcp sends like 3 packets

3 times the latency

[main brook]

udp is also not lossless

so

[next lotus]

why

[main brook]

losing a byte here and there

[next lotus]

what no

[main brook]

but

[next lotus]

you're not

[main brook]

if its locally

[next lotus]

losing bytes

[main brook]

idk

[next lotus]

there is packet structure you see

[main brook]

is it

the

uhm

the technology used for HTTP 3

they used UDP with a good technology

[next lotus]

basically if you send an 2E 3A 01 6E 2D the client will receieve 2E 3A 01 6E 2D no bytes removed no bytes added

and if the client's internet is very bad thats where packet loss comes in

[main brook]

well true

but udp just

[next lotus]

if they cant receieve the packet they will not receive IT completely

[main brook]

packet for this person? okay!
*throws packet*

[main brook]

yeah if you don't send it in chunks

i had issues with udp

i usually use tcp for this thing

or even better

unix socket

🥺

since its android

and its local

[next lotus]

there is no chunking in udp there's only throwing and hoping the client received the bytes

[main brook]

yes the "hope"

[next lotus]

but its not a problem nowadays

[main brook]

by chunking i meant

[next lotus]

everyone has better internet

[main brook]

sendmsg(msg, ...)
sendmsg(msg, ...)

[main brook]

me with 20mbps and constant drop in speed: heh

and americans complaining having 47mbps

links

[next lotus]

oh i cant send links

[main brook]

the bot be like

"NO LINK BAD!!!!"

💀

https://github.com

but this works apparently

[next lotus]

wait let me

[main brook]

okie

[hoary hound]

you need level 10

[main brook]

bill

talk more

you're still a butterfly

atleast cuter than this ferocious bear

[barren shale]

udp is not as stable as tcp

[orchid frigate]

In my opinion I have 0 idea what udp or tcp is

[cloud solar]

Yep

U have idea where it can be?

[orchid frigate]

As I said

Im pretty sure its scattered around

[cloud solar]

||i wanna change some thing there||

[orchid frigate]

Well which thing

Pretty sure most of it should be behind permission locks

[cloud solar]

Change the color of the panel

[orchid frigate]

Which panel

[cloud solar]

With np windows logo

[orchid frigate]

There is like 100 panels with the.windows logo

The startup thing?

[cloud solar]

I mean this in desktop

Not sure how thats called

[orchid frigate]

The button on the bottom left?

[cloud solar]

Ye

[orchid frigate]

Ah

[cloud solar]

And the canvas behind it

[orchid frigate]

Uhhh

[cloud solar]

It is black by deafult

And i want it to be more transparent

[orchid frigate]

Search where are the windows gui things or smt

But im pretty sure thats innaceccable

[cloud solar]

Is there any way to make thoose files aceccable?

[orchid frigate]

For me to know I would either have to be a windows dev or a windows expert

Im neither

[cloud solar]

[orchid frigate]

I literally use windows to play games

And fuck around with its system files in linux when im bored

But what I saw on kali is that you actually have access to its bootloader background

Which is pretty cool

You can change it

[cloud solar]

Hmm.. pretty sure that all files connected to bg are in system32, is it right?

[orchid frigate]

I mean I dont know where else they would be

[cloud solar]

Oh and also... i found the folder with all the icons... can i change the graphic? And will it work?

[orchid frigate]

If they have the same name I don't see why not

Idk if permissions will allow you to tho

[cloud solar]

If i can acess the graphic pretty sure i can change it also

[cloud solar]

there is a problem.. its in this cur. extention

[orchid frigate]

Well idk what that extension even is

So I would suggest not changing them

It could be different from a normal image file

[cloud solar]

i think it is some kind of file that can also contain a script

[cloud solar]

how to make an ai that can make easy commands?

like open apps

or search for some images

u know, your own assistant, but easier to make

i hope it can be done in python...

[hasty bane]

sounds like a hell of a task

need a more detailed description tho

is it voice activated or do yoi enter commands or w/e

[cloud solar]

like an assistant that can browse some things for u, give you data, (u know, acess all python data libraries possible) and maybe in a visual way

so it can hear you,respond, and show the result on screen

[hasty bane]

[cloud solar]

it will help me a LOT with all the searching i need for unity

[hasty bane]

i honestly dont have experience with that

but

[cloud solar]

||ik it is hard to make||

[hasty bane]

im 99,9% sure it's a massive undertaking

[cloud solar]

i know

but it is worth it

[hasty bane]

theres a reason you usually only see faang tier corps doing it

though

hmm

i suppose if its not big you can make one?

just google it

[orchid frigate]

Oh

My

God

I know how

Use makefiles

[cloud solar]

[orchid frigate]

Automation for commands

Running a single command can run thousands

[cloud solar]

never heard of it... how can i use it with the voice commands system tho?

[orchid frigate]

Uhhh

Idk

I know it can execute commands

[cloud solar]

oh and also except of pycharm is there any other way to make python more visual

couse pycharm.. looks worse then normal text

[orchid frigate]

Vscode

Is better

For everything

From python to assembly

[cloud solar]

um... i mean the way to make code more visual

like add gui

[orchid frigate]

Oh

Visual languages

[cloud solar]

nah

[orchid frigate]

Idk waaaay too high level for me

[cloud solar]

i mean use python- and also have a way to show the results in app

like with some text- but also colors, buttons

[orchid frigate]

I have no idea how python works so cant help

[cloud solar]

welp... i think it is google time then

[orchid frigate]

I always google everything I dont know

Even if its simple

Better than spending 20 minutes to days to figure it out myself

The internet is amazing not including twitter

[cloud solar]

tru tho

[orchid frigate]

That place is worse than any other place on the internet

[cloud solar]

btw i found what i was looking for

[orchid frigate]

So is there a way

[cloud solar]

ye

tkinter

[orchid frigate]

Searching up python

Gets so many different.versions of python

Or is it libraries

Its insane

Kinda makes me think what I miss on when not using absolutely.any libraries what so ever

[cloud solar]

[orchid frigate]

Now that I think about it I wonder why there are no os dev C libraries

Or no popular ones atleast

Maybe i should do that

Instead of chasing some insane goal try to contribute to the small community

[orchid frigate]

I now understand why people sometimes dont like os devs

the entire os dev discord server is like the most passive agressive server I have seen

newbies are getting destroyed for not knowing stuff and general feels like everyone hates eachother and is trying to fight for dominance

[barren shale]

but what they dont know is that they will all stay in their moms basements forever

and C# developers will dominate the world

[orchid frigate]

you have fun dominating the world

while we build the world you dominate on

[barren shale]

bro you building nothing

its like a couple of devs at microsoft

[orchid frigate]

You are not dominating anything either

you are making the same stuff 1000 other people have already made better

[barren shale]

but im making money

[orchid frigate]

who cares

im happy that you are

[barren shale]

everyone cares

[orchid frigate]

but I dont give a shit

you let me manage my life I will let you manage your

[barren shale]

because you are not the person that i go to to buy food from

[orchid frigate]

Bro im a guy on the internet some random dude thousands of km away

I dont care about you you dont care about me its how the internet works

[barren shale]

could be a girl

[orchid frigate]

Sure why not

[barren shale]

exposed ?

[orchid frigate]

Yes exposed

[barren shale]

ok gorl

[orchid frigate]

yes Im a girl my pronouns are keyboard/tomato

good job exposing me

[barren shale]

tomato tomato

keyboard ate a tomato

keyboard ate tomato tomato

[orchid frigate]

tomato ate keyboard and tomato got kil

[cloud solar]

is anyone out there familiar with the python liblary downloading process?

couse i want to download a library, but some errors happens

i use Visual Studio Code for python

the error while downloading library called "PyAudio":

note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip.

× Encountered error while trying to install package.
╰─> PyAudio

note: This is an issue with the package mentioned above, not pip.
hint: See above for output from the failure.

now another error:

error: legacy-install-failure

any ideas why it can possibly happen?

welp... what to do...?

Requirement already satisfied: 

[main brook]

hm

well its already installed

also

its probably your system having stroke

with pyaudio

usually with its setup.py

happens all the time

is there an error

about

actually not an error but

does it says

its downloading a

tar.gz

or a .whl

[hasty bane]

@barren shale is c# mobile dev cringe or based
if based, what would one use to make a mobile app

[main brook]

unity

literally

most mobile apps

are made with unity

[hasty bane]

i dont like this

[barren shale]

Cringe

Use flutter

It’s like C#

[hasty bane]

hmmm

[cloud solar]

Thats tru tho

I mean it depends what kind of apps

[main brook]

yes

[cloud solar]

Wdym?

[main brook]

can i see

full output

and how

are you installing it

[cloud solar]

I cant show it now.. what about in 10 hours?

[main brook]

sure

that'll be

when its 11pm for me

hopefully im still awake

[orchid frigate]

Ok now I have to say this

Rust == best language I have seen

Its literally both high level and low level

I managed to write to ports with rust inline assembly easier than in C

and do bitwise stuff

[wet girder]

I just had an interview for an internship at a financial consulting firm that my teacher set up for me and i love how the interview was just basically "yeah, yeah we want you here, when do you want to start and which of our projects do you want to work on"

[cloud solar]

Nand is when it is 10 or 01... right?

Oh and also how the nand is in c#?

[wet girder]

also 00 i think

[cloud solar]

Nah... i think nand is "not and" so no 11 and no 00

Not sure tho...

[wet girder]

Finnish Wikipedia says it's also 00

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[cloud solar]

Well... if wikipedia says that... it must be true

[wet girder]

isn't nand in c# just

!(x && y)

[long vector]

C++

[cloud solar]

It can work... it seems like it could...

👍

[barren shale]

or !x || !y

[wet girder]

well yeah

[barren shale]

sadly we dont have these things here >:(

at least free lancing can work

if you have someone outside syria to receive the payments

if you want to work at a company you need a degree

and even then they are paying you like 250$ a month if you're lucky

[wet girder]

This company literally said that if I'm good enough during the internship they'll want to hire me and I'm totally fine with getting hired. As the worst possible salary is like 2000€ and I could totally get my own apartment with even just that and all that shit while working as I can complete my vocational studies at a workplace instead of school if I want to

But I always love the face of people when they hear I'm 16. As it's not like a common question to ask before interview and they're always so shocked. All the companies that have heard my age before interview have straight up rejected me so I think they don't think 16 year old could be even remotely goof at coding

[stone owl]

Holy fuck

[main brook]

@cloud solar

its been almost 10hours

[cloud solar]

i dont have time today.... i can decribe the way i am making it tho

[main brook]

okie

that's fine

[cloud solar]

i just write:
pip install SpeechRecognition

[orchid frigate]

Looking at os development jobs, they do exist

But they are demanding af

[cloud solar]

btw... can i dm u?

[main brook]

sure

its always open

unlike my room 💀

unless you wanna get dropkicked

[orchid frigate]

Shells scripting? That will be tough

[main brook]

stay away from my room

[main brook]

lmao

that's

top level os dev i guess

low level are the one thinkering with oses

like their kernels

[orchid frigate]

Also they want me to have experience in developing in linux

[main brook]

drivers

[orchid frigate]

Which wtf does that even mean

Rewriting the kernel?

[stone owl]

Yep

[orchid frigate]

Ah

Im guessing modifying it

That isnt that tough I guess

Oh shit they require me to know about networking stuff too 💀

[main brook]

those are easy

for me atleast

the theory and concepts are pretty straightforward

a socket fd is created

that can be read/write

similar to a file

and that is then

buffered into the local buffer for packets

until they're sent

there's 2 type of socket

udp and tcp

udp offer a fast, bit unreliable and connectionless

tcp offer an okayish, very reliable, connection based