⌨coders-cave

[barren shale]

because my old code sucked and it was time to refactor anything

i still need to refactor a lot more

[prisma grail]

[barren shale]

but this codebase is too big and i'm scared ill break sometthing

We are hiring at SpeciesBox Limited

Salaries here are way better than AMP's

You should join us

pls

[prisma grail]

If you're gonna use salaries as an argument, you'll need to beat my actual job and not AMP.

[barren shale]

how much do you get paid

[prisma grail]

I get paid 25€/hour (was a good bit lower when I first got employed, but I've said some raises in the year since), which is pretty fair imo when it's my first ever coding related job and I entered in with 0 finished education and 0 C++ experience.
That was a joke btw, I'm not instantly gonna ask money for random stuff I'd do here out of passion. xD

[barren shale]

well i was joking too

i was about to say $1 every 100 year

[barren shale]

what country is this?

[prisma grail]

✨Austria!✨

[barren shale]

nOice

sadly i don't have a salary 😔

[prisma grail]

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163

i have a business though

that makes smol money

[prisma grail]

I mean, better than nothing.

[barren shale]

yessir and the amount increases with time

would recommend if you dont have a lot of bills to pay

[prisma grail]

Funnily enough, a big refactor is basically the second ever thing I did in AMP.

They used to have a solid 50% of commands and utils or something in a single tumorcog called "random_stuff.py".

When I joined the team, Jupe asked me if I could maybe try making it's structure less cancerous.

[barren shale]

Can confirm amp got not very cool code base

I helped jupe fix a command years ago

That was very hard

[prisma grail]

Ok, do NOT compare old AMP to current AMP. xD

[barren shale]

You should consider making a new AMP with something other than Python

[prisma grail]

The codebase is currently in a lot better state than how it used to be.

[barren shale]

And use it to implement new commands then slowly transition

[prisma grail]

Basically the only meaningful caveat is the usage of Python.

[barren shale]

Wat

[prisma grail]

Though it's honestly not even that bad.

[barren shale]

Python sucks

Can’t make me think otherwise

[prisma grail]

*the, was talking about current code quality compared to old.

[barren shale]

Rewrite amp in zig right now

RIGHT NOW

[prisma grail]

Nah, I don't hate Python enough to feel compelled towards trying to push for a complete AMP rewrite. xD

[barren shale]

That’s why I said start writing new commands before transitioning the whole things

But tbh AMP will never become very huge since you can disable some commands in the future based on server events ig

So you don’t have to keep it all up to date and working forever

[lapis flint]

Its very good, in russia such salary is only for seniors or even team leads

How many hours you working per week?

[next mantle]

yo i did a thing & it actually worked for once 🎉

[prisma grail]

Only 5 as of now, since I'm still a student.

[lapis flint]

Ah

I thought its full time

[prisma grail]

Nah, I've still got a year to do before that.

As far as I know though, my contract won't change with full time (apart from the amount of hours I gotta work).

[lapis flint]

So still very good

[prisma grail]

Yeah, the only reduction will be from government taxes that I don't have to pay rn.

[prisma grail]

Yeah. My employer used to be my programming teacher, so I think he noticed my skills very quickly and wanted to "secure" me as fast as possible.

[lapis flint]

Just checked, currently median salary for lead position is 35 euros per hour in russia

[prisma grail]

That's definitely quite good. Not like what you'd expect in e.g. a good US company, but they need the extra money over there since the lack of social insurance and whatnot causes so many more living expenses.

[prisma grail]

@barren shale Fully working code; a once in a lifetime event!

[barren shale]

a code with no bugs

https://tenor.com/view/funny-angry-black-kid-mad-gif-26185470

[next mantle]

See, I’m a fraud; when I needed to release a “clean” graphic, I simply patched out every bug causing feature temporarily XD

[next mantle]

For a second I was confused because $35/h here is not good at all then I realised this is euros so it’s actually $60 which makes more sense

[prisma grail]

Ngl, I had no idea there was a dollar that loses so much relative value compared to the euro. xD

[next mantle]

AUD has consistently been around 1.6-1.7 EUR

Reguardless of eithers inflation it always settles around that exchange for some reason

Same with USD to AUD

[prisma grail]

Huh, interesting.

Tbh, my geographical knowledge probably sucks almost as much as the stereotypical average American one, so it checks out that I had no idea about that. xD

[next mantle]

XD

What’s funny is that compared to America or most of Euro-using europe, the conversions aren’t that different on smaller purchases that we kinda stick to the same prices as other currencies

If a McDonald’s burger is $2 in America it’s still probably $2 in Australia, despite it really being an equivalent value of around $3

[barren shale]

Depends on the country too, tech jobs in America pay way more

$100k+ salaries in the US are very common and not hard to get

[next mantle]

Australia is slightly below average but its really easy to get into it compared to a lot of places

[next mantle]

@polar isle thoughts?

$2000 AUD

[polar isle]

stupid gpu

[next mantle]

radeon isnt too bad

[polar isle]

dude that's integrated

just choose a mac if you're gonna choose integrated

[next mantle]

AMD integrated packs a serious punch for integrated, have a look at the internal specs

obv still not good as dedicated but closer

[polar isle]

yeah people tell that but i had an amd integrated gpu and it was nowhere near an rtx or whatever

[next mantle]

graphics really isnt a priorty for me rn

or will it be much more glaring than it is now when all the other specs are super high end than it is now with all of my stuff beign average?

wait @polar isle i only just realised the newset macbook pros can boot windows

[polar isle]

..no

[polar isle]

didn't you say you are doing 3d modelling

that's gpu intensive

[civic lake]

Are there any performance related updates coming down the pipe for Worldbox anytime soon? Burst compiler and things like that for a few of the more CPU intensive simulation stuff?

[barren shale]

What is the gpu and how much is it in usd?

[polar isle]

We don't know this, and we may speculate as much as you may do so as well. WorldBox might be getting performance updates, but nothing was announced about this.

[next mantle]

Sorta, it’s voxel modeling so it’s a lot less intensive than you’d expect

[next mantle]

$1.2k

[barren shale]

You know what gpu it is?

[next mantle]

Just a high end integrated Radeon

[barren shale]

That’s subjective

[next mantle]

But the cheapest laptop with these specs but with a dedicated gpu is almsot $1000 more aud

[next mantle]

Wdym?

[barren shale]

Oh it’s integrated

Integrated gpu for 1200 is a scam tbh

[next mantle]

Eh for 32gb ram & an R9 it’s ok I think

[barren shale]

Yeah depends on what you are using it for

If you’re gaming in it you’d be better off with something else

If it is work then it’s good

[next mantle]

Graphics cards alone are like $700 here

[barren shale]

Not for laptops

[next mantle]

Well I’m going primarily for extreme multitasking & programming

[next mantle]

Mhm

And some (light) gaming but that’s not the main reason I want the better laptop

[next mantle]

Ok so I’ve found out that there is a beefed up version of this that can utilised dedicated gpus

[proven tinsel]

.

[amber gorge]

Indian videos on yt better than books?

[feral bramble]

Depends on the book

[barren shale]

sb2 development be like

[prisma grail]

Watch AMP devs consistently test in prod.

[barren shale]

with faith

may the gods compile the code and run it with no sinful bugs

[coral gorge]

i am the greatest amp bug finder and tester 🥱

where's my crown? that's my bling!

[prisma grail]

Of course! I mean, we're talking about Python here, the most type robust language in existence! If the static type checker doesn't flag any errors, we can be basically certain that the code is bug free!

[barren shale]

python does indeed run on the will of god

because holy (no pun intended) shit that language is unreal

i don't understand why did they make it

[prisma grail]

For real.

[coral gorge]

does anyone get this reference...??

no...

[barren shale]

not smart enough sadly

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[coral gorge]

i feel so bad for coders man

in the near future

a small percentage of coders will just become rich, make some great artifical intelligence company

[barren shale]

why? because we stoopid?

[barren shale]

well feel bad for everyone then

[coral gorge]

and the rest, what if a.i. just replaces coding all together

[barren shale]

because coders are the last to lose their jobs

[coral gorge]

and programming becomes repetitive labour to be done by humans

just like the industrial revolution

[barren shale]

programming is not really repetitive

[coral gorge]

at the early beginnings, youd make a grand, then as time went on, everyone became a labourer

wages dropped

[coral gorge]

for now, what if a.i takes over?

[barren shale]

that happens with every job ever to exist

jobs get replaced by jobs

[coral gorge]

well

[barren shale]

only way to stay ahead is to keep getting better

[coral gorge]

honestly the way i see it

[barren shale]

even within software engineering jobs there are people who don't make much money

because they know old things that are only used to maintain legacy code

these people will soon be replaced when there's no more legacy code they can maintain

think of AI as a tool just like every other tool

[coral gorge]

the only way to become a successful programmer in the future is to like make some artificial intelligence bot yourself 🤷

[prisma grail]

I mean, there's also a point where the code becomes so legacy that it's just even more profitable (e.g. COBOL at banks).

[barren shale]

read the next line >:(

[coral gorge]

that sounds interesting

[coral gorge]

yes but the issue is

what if were an indie programmer till now

and suddenly a.i appears

youre genuinely cooked

and even worse scenario

what if every programmer will just aspire to make a.i

to a point that the ai market becomes unprofitable and very hard to make a living out of

because this aint like starting a full on company

you dont require any capital at all

just code

[barren shale]

you can use AI to do things

[prisma grail]

I mean, I don't really see a reality where banks would suddenly decide to replace all of their most basic systems with modern equivalents. It arguably seems like too much of a risk from their perspective, I'd assume. Somehow makes it more worthwhile to keep the 1970s code working for as long as humanly possible.

[barren shale]

AI is far from being able to fully code

[coral gorge]

for now.

[barren shale]

it is always for now

it has been for now for the last 100000 years

people figured it out and they will do again

[coral gorge]

but a.i is new

we'll see we will just see

[barren shale]

computers were new at some point

[barren shale]

they will once the gap between them and more modern banks is big enough

because at that point it would become worthwhile

and then the people maintaining that legacy code will become obsolute

[coral gorge]

im still worried about the programming market man

[barren shale]

programming is not the only thing that's going to suffer from tthis

[coral gorge]

either it becomes unprofitable or just monopolised

[barren shale]

and it is the one that will suffer last

[coral gorge]

yeah ofc

[coral gorge]

i wouldnt say last

probably around in the middle of the revolution

or 3rd quarter

[barren shale]

socialism will find a new job for you dont worry

[prisma grail]

Fair, my prediction is that that point will take an eternity to reach though and when it does come, the programmers who are affected will be able to smell it coming from a mile away.

[barren shale]

its already happening

[prisma grail]

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if COBOL ends up dying from a lack of programmers instead of a lack of usages. I at least never ever hear of any sensible people still bothering to learn it.

[barren shale]

yeah also that

the amount of cobol programmers is getting smaller by the day

no bank will risk not finding people to maintain the code

they will throw it out before it dies

[coral gorge]

my greatest fear is that

every job

will get replaced by some monopoly a.i company....

[prisma grail]

Yeah, they'll effectively be forced to unless they want to crumble the second where anyone finds any security vulnerability.

[barren shale]

literally not possible for every job to be gone

[prisma grail]

Even today, there's probably close to 0 cobol programmers with the required skill level and intelligence for being able to fix a hypothetical bug in an old banking system running on cobol.

[barren shale]

last time i checked they dont want to crumble

[prisma grail]

I sure hope so.

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[barren shale]

even if they have bugless software they can't keep up with modern banks

otherwise there will be no need to modernize in any thing in life

you can just stay on the good old things that work

but nobody does that because modernizing == more money

[coral gorge]

to be fair

from a business perspective

if it really caused that much of a problem for banks, eg. a major loss in revenue then they would switch from it

which most likely wont be easy but

banks have dozens of income streams

[barren shale]

its not about problems itts more about competition

[tall ether]

what phone do you have?

[coral gorge]

if it serves it purpose, then it really isnt that much of a problem

it only becomes a problem when the cost to maintain it gets higher

[barren shale]

the software is not a problem

the fact that other banks have better software is the problem

[coral gorge]

only if it becomes harder for the bank to trade

[barren shale]

people will go to the better banks

[coral gorge]

that is just natural path dependency

and the type of software or code doesnt play a major role in that

[prisma grail]

Yeahh, though established big banks can probably get away with falling behind in modernity at least for a few more years simply from being the ones who everyone old/rich would rather trust, meaning that being outdated effectively puts them where the money is at. xD

[coral gorge]

because not many people look up "what software does that bank use"

[barren shale]

yes it does

people dont look it up people use it indirectly

[coral gorge]

the larger and more "modernised" bank generate more income allowing for them to have lower interest rates

[barren shale]

yeah but they shouldnt really

[coral gorge]

and can just provide more credit benefits

and etc

i wouldnt be surprised if there was a large bank using some old code

me personally, from a business perspective

[prisma grail]

Fair, everyone young just ends up alienated and they completely put themselves at the mercy of a few billionaires.

[coral gorge]

i just wouldnt see the point in switching unless it has real benefits

[barren shale]

its more of if they lose their top spot it is not easy to get it back

its very worthwhile to keep modernizing to keep your top spot

but the problem with capitalism is that these banks are owned by people who own a lot of businesses

[coral gorge]

but yeah id have to look into this

[barren shale]

so they just squeeze as much money as they can and then sell out of it and go to the next one

[coral gorge]

im just saying this blatantly

[barren shale]

they dont care aboutt 10 years from now

[coral gorge]

plus minus true

[amber gorge]

What’s the best book for beginners in linux?

[feral bramble]

oh that's the context

[tulip quest]

@coral gorge just so you know, all of the things you've said about AI taking over programming hinge upon the trend we saw about 2 years ago with AI becoming far better at creative tasks continuing for years more, but as the amounts of data required to make AI better are exponential and we can't really get more of it the only way for the trend to improve is more innovations, and there's only so many more of those people can come up with. I'm not scared for the futures of programmers yet, only programmers that use ChatGPT because ten programmers using ChatGPT are nearly equivalent to a single programmer using ChatGPT.

[coral gorge]

yeah definitely I agree

we'll just have to see in the future

[tulip quest]

yep, that's the main factor. There's just a lot of reasons to doubt it will reach a concerning point even within my lifetime.

[coral gorge]

it's very brittle to think about rn

People in the past never believed we could fly, then airships got invented

Of course, airships probably provided more job opportunities than took jobs

But it's just an example

No one thought of conveyor belts until they eventually became commonplace, and many people lost their jobs

People are always looking for more and more automation

Of course, conveyor belts and A.I is different

[tulip quest]

"eventually commonplace" is the phrase here. It took a long time for airships, planes and conveyor belts to become commonplace, and the same can be said about AI in a job setting. The foundations of something that could replace jobs is here, but it's not ready.

[coral gorge]

Comparing a purely mechanical instance to something requiring deep learning isn't perfectly analogous, but the main point is that they both ultimately lead to automation

[coral gorge]

We'll see we'll see

[feral bramble]

Well originally the computer referred to people manually calculating the math

Then computers went and made that job a whole lot easier.

Taking that job away entirely if could be automated or just using less people

Then there's all the other mundane tasks that were taken up by modern computing.

Though as it currently stands AI did generate a set of a mundane jobs where humans have to manually tag stuff en such

Edit: Wait now that i think about it, definitely alot of mundane jobs relating to interacting with computers before ai.

https://thelead.uk/ghosts-behind-ai

[barren shale]

exactly, if you don't keep up you get left out, nothing really changed its just how life is

when code editors started auto completing like 20 years ago people thought coding was over 😂

[thin fiber]

Ok

[barren shale]

no

[next mantle]

I reckon I’ve done pretty well making these aesthetically pleasing considering I’m using matplotlib, any obvious things you reckon could be improved on @barren shale ?

[barren shale]

looks good 👍

maybe the legend should be sorted

or i think they are called labels in matplotlib

[next mantle]

Wdym sorted?

It is already sorted, in a way

By date of addition

Oldest is at the top of the legend, youngest at the bottom

Should I separate out the dead ones to the bottom?

[barren shale]

shouldnt it be sorted by highest to lowest based on the graph

[next mantle]

?

[static solar]

My father is still using Microsoft‘s notepad for code. He did not adapt

[tulip quest]

I use Notepad for anything I can't be bothered to get an IDE for. Not anything I'm certain I will use for a long time, just things I'm trying out like C#, batch files and the like

Anyway, I have a question on another topic (maybe it's a little too vague)

How do you get Discord to say you're doing some activity like "Playing Subnautica"? I'm less concerned about doing it in a particular scenario (as I don't have anything for it), and I'd rather hear of an example program environment and path for getting it to work

All I want is for it to say that I'm teleporting bread

[barren shale]

Implement discord rich presence in your app

[barren shale]

There’s probably an app that can do this for you

[feral bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5SFv6DkPqA

really only options im seeing is using plugins

[inner elm]

Is somebody have a nice "import" for do math tree or something like that, it could be really useful thank you

[foggy wren]

Which beginner language should I learn fir game dev

[tulip quest]

How much programming do you know right now? What game engine do you want to use? I can help you with a lack of knowledge on either question if you need

[foggy wren]

I'm starting from scratch

And I only know some python

"Some"

[tulip quest]

Okay, so you have a few programming fundamentals already (they're pretty basic). Now you need to choose a game engine, and there are three main options to choose from

Unity engine is great for beginners (2d or 3d), Godot is good for 2d stuff (but needs lots of specific learning) and Unreal Engine is more complex and uses 3d. I wouldn't pick Unreal Engine where you're at unless you have specific motivation to.

It's always ok to change engine later by the way

[foggy wren]

Thx man

But what exactly should I use as ax language if u don't mind me asking bcsI checked python it seems to be pretty basic

[tulip quest]

Language is engine-specific

Unity uses C#, Godot uses GDScript (its custom language, nearly never used anywhere else) and Unreal Engine uses C++

C# and GDScript are closer to Python than C++ is

[foggy wren]

Thank u very much mann

I really helped me here

Since I wasn't sure about reviews

[tulip quest]

No problem, from here I recommend once you've picked an engine that you use tutorials to install it and do a few things in it

Every engine has tutorials good enough to teach you, but there's less of a headache for beginners initially when you pick a simpler engine

Search phrases like "how to make a basic game in [engine of choice]" are really helpful

And one last thing, if you're getting an error you don't understand or have something you want to do in the engine that you can't do with what you already know, check the web. It takes a very, very long time to stop running into situations you don't know about in an engine.

I think I've said enough for now on the subject, I'll cease my yammering

[flat valley]

Is there a reason that there’s all these C languages but they’re still very different what’s the origin

[tulip quest]

Yes, there is. C is the original language developed in the 70s, with C++ being a new version released by someone else a little later in the decade. The language is still being updated today and has lots of differences to the original. And then there's C#, which was made in the 2000s by Microsoft (and is a bit Microsoft-y as a result)

C# is the most beginner-friendly and is used in simpler applications (even though any language can be used in complex stuff), C++ is pretty much the opposite in those regards (complex and more difficult) and C is the backbone which looots of very efficient programs are built, as it's the language most higher-level languages compile into

[charred falcon]

Thanks for the tips man, appreciate it🙏🏿🙏🏿

[deep shuttle]

Fuck my HTML code broke

[quartz pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[obtuse barn]

Made one

Can i send it here?

[deep shuttle]

Idk

[obtuse barn]

I send it in dm

[deep shuttle]

Thanks

[fallen kraken]

can someone that has a bit of experience in modding help me i keep getting this error and i dont know how to fix it

[obtuse barn]

Fix what

[feral bramble]

https://dontasktoask.com/

:(

[obtuse barn]

Im still waiting to find out his problem

[stiff dagger]

Guys, what does my function do?

Function joeCool() {
If (JoeTraits == Doey) {
Print("Doey the Copycat)
} else {
Print("Uncool")
}
}

[feral bramble]

Runs into an error because none of the variables are defined

[stiff dagger]

Smart man

[next mantle]

Nice XD

Also you’ll get another error because one of your strings is missing it’s ending quote mark

[amber gorge]

Huh?

[feral bramble]

didn't realize what the further context behind your question was til you said it

[fading obsidian]

How usefull are linked lists practically?

[barren shale]

Very not

Never used them before

Some languages use them to implement some other useful data structures

[round valve]

im new to code and right now im learning java is it possible for me to create mod using java language?

what apps should i use?

[barren shale]

Only in C# and #🔧modding-talk

[lapis flint]

I guess its possible on any language if you manage to make/find interpreter on c#

[next mantle]

Python to C# interpreter when

[lapis flint]

Never please

But js to c#, uh

ts

Anyway

[barren shale]

not worth the hassle though

ive never found an interpreter that actually translates from language to a language that fully works

AI would be your best choice but even then it is not perfect

[prisma grail]

I mean, how would you even do stuff like interact with libraries native to the language you're transpiling into? It feels like it's not something you could realistically ever take further than some simple 50 line test of a basic console app tbh.

[barren shale]

yeah only AI has enough understanding of both languages to be able to translate logic

using these normal translators will never be able to do any actual real logic

[tulip quest]

AI is still bad at programming to the degree that you'll need knowledge of the second language anyway unless you want to go back and forth debugging with it for hours

[dapper pecan]

I do programming and the only use I have of this.

Is making programs in almost every imaginable language that can work these 3 formulas.

[smoky atlas]

Do you want me to give you a harder difficulty

Sorry for bad handwriting

[dapper pecan]

Thag looks fun.

[dapper pecan]

Should I ditch C++ in favor of Python? I mean, from what I'm seeing Python is well, the future.

[next mantle]

Depends on what your using it for tbh

If you’ve already learnt c++ then Python is an easy addition to what you already know

[dapper pecan]

I'm going to make games n' programs n' allat IT stuff.

[spark pollen]

Hello

[gloomy nest]

Pprt

[halcyon stratus]

Anyone have website portfolios your willing to share I need to make one for my school project

[blazing current]

Yea I don’t know why you would want this anyway lol

If u want stuff in python just write libraries for python in another language

[orchid frigate]

you should stop maining languages in general

each one has its purpose

[dapper pecan]

So I should diversify?

[orchid frigate]

I had never done anything in python before and at the start of this month I was randomly invited to start working on a trading bot

2 days later I already had commits

[orchid frigate]

dont worry about the language so much

after the first you learn languages matter very little

choose whatever is best for the project

the only worry in new languages is technically not being able to write the cleanest/most optimized code but 🤷‍♂️

[barren shale]

@orchid frigate you are back :o

[quartz pumice]

No more slep

[spark pollen]

What's this channel even about

[ancient thistle]

the cave of coders

[prisma grail]

It's for programmers talking about whatever programming stuff comes to mind!

[wooden jacinth]

ling

gan

[quartz pumice]

I used to hate uefi but it's just mid now

It should definitely be better

Like it's literally missing basic features like audio and vsync

[sullen furnace]

Hi

[onyx plinth]

does anyone here use dart?

or no

[onyx plinth]

understandable have a nice day.

[knotty root]

print ("Hello world")

I am now a coder

[shy rune]

I use scratch

[lapis flint]

Poor chat, become so inactive

[tulip quest]

did it used to be active?

from what I know it just occasionally has times of higher activity

[lapis flint]

Less than usual i mean

[tulip quest]

I remember it being this inactive maybe a few months ago

[smoky atlas]

W

[barren shale]

Used to be okayly average a couple of years ago

But now sometimes there have been days with no messages

[next mantle]

Time to randomly revive this place then

[orchid frigate]

Eh I come look at this like once a week

I remember veeeery far back at this point

When we fought over....

C#?

And like C or something?

I can't remember

We fought over everything but Zi can't remember in the very start what the main beef was

[barren shale]

Probably you being trash at coding smh my head

[prisma grail]

You are such an unbelievably kind person!

[barren shale]

Ikr I’ve been thinking about tuning down the kindness because people hurt me too much when I’m too kind

But nah kindness is a lifestyle and I gotta own it

[prisma grail]

Me when I touch any old part of the AMP codebase:

[barren shale]

yeah amp codebase needs some kindne ss to be able to work with it

or else youre gonna burn it down

go to github

burn down the server that is holding it

[prisma grail]

Yesterday, I had to try adding some basic new features to a 1y/o unused part of code.

I ended up rewriting that entire segment of code.

To make it bearable.

[little nest]

"Naps"

[barren shale]

i do the same to old SB 2 code

i wasnt very good at designing big systems when i started working on it ~4 years ago

[prisma grail]

I can only imagine...

And in 4 more years, you'll be saying the game about your current skills!

[barren shale]

the cycle will repeat yes

i will always suck compared to future hamza

which is a good thing

[prisma grail]

True.

[next mantle]

This is the most relatable thing I’ve seen all day

[prisma grail]

Be glad that you don't have to deal with the AMP codebase.

The worst variant of this is always when you see something so horrid you assume it's by another dev.

Just to then realise.

Based on git blame.

That past you is the commit author.

[next mantle]

Why did past me commit such atrocities & how the hell did the “solution” owrk at all?!?

[prisma grail]

This.

I've before genuinely had to fix some module after it had recently broken down.

And when I started gaining a grasp on the code.

I genuinely got confused about how that garbage ever worked.

[blazing current]

now rewrite it in rust 🤓

[prisma grail]

Nope. :P

[spice iron]

How to start coding?

[gilded wedge]

first, learn code, watch videos on how if needed, then get a game engine

[half isle]

Are there any companies that train you how to code so you can work for them? I think my biggest issue with trying to learn code is idk what to learn or where i would use it to make money

Now that i say it, sounds unrealistic. If it was my company logically i’d be more likely to hire people that already knew what they were doing.

🗿

[tulip quest]

If you want to learn to program but don't know what for, I recommend learning some simple language you can make small projects with of your choice before sticking to something like web dev or game dev. I personally learnt Python first and built mathematical projects that did stuff like find prime numbers or multiply complex numbers, but you could start with anything I mentioned (as long as you try multiple things before sticking to one). Other people in this channel will have their own recommendations, too.

[jolly field]

Za

[flat valley]

@next mantle when are we getting the next clan graph

[next mantle]

Once I make some updates, today

[warped lark]

`// Interactive website script

document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded", () => {
const app = document.createElement("div");
app.id = "app";
document.body.appendChild(app);

app.innerHTML = `
    <button id="magicBtn">Click Me</button>
    <div id="counter">Count: 0</div>
    <canvas id="drawingCanvas"></canvas>
`;

// Button interaction
let count = 0;
document.getElementById("magicBtn").addEventListener("click", () => {
    count++;
    document.getElementById("counter").textContent = "Count: " + count;
});

// Smooth animation loop
const canvas = document.getElementById("drawingCanvas");
const ctx = canvas.getContext("2d");
canvas.width = window.innerWidth;
canvas.height = window.innerHeight;

let particles = Array.from({ length: 100 }, () => ({
    x: Math.random() * canvas.width,
    y: Math.random() * canvas.height,
    radius: Math.random() * 5 + 2,
    dx: (Math.random() - 0.5) * 4,
    dy: (Math.random() - 0.5) * 4
}));

function animate() {
    ctx.clearRect(0, 0, canvas.width, canvas.height);
    particles.forEach(p => {
        p.x += p.dx;
        p.y += p.dy;
        if (p.x < 0 || p.x > canvas.width) p.dx *= -1;
        if (p.y < 0 || p.y > canvas.height) p.dy *= -1;

        ctx.beginPath();
        ctx.arc(p.x, p.y, p.radius, 0, Math.PI * 2);
        ctx.fillStyle = "cyan";
        ctx.fill();
    });

    requestAnimationFrame(animate);
}
animate();

// Window resize handling
window.addEventListener("resize", () => {
    canvas.width = window.innerWidth;
    canvas.height = window.innerHeight;
});

});
`

Breh whats wrong wit my code 😭

[next mantle]

@warped lark what error are you getting?

[warped lark]

Rendering issues 😭

[knotty root]

Anyone want a Javascript on how to open a door?

(probably what they used for the door opening in minecraft java)

``java
class Door {
private boolean isLocked = true;
private boolean isOpen = false;

public void unlock() throws LockException {
    if (isLocked) {
        // Simulate unlocking
        System.out.println("Unlocking the door...");
        isLocked = false;
    } else {
        throw new LockException("Door is already unlocked!");
    }
}

public void open() throws DoorException {
    if (!isLocked) {
        // Simulate opening
        System.out.println("Opening the door...");
        isOpen = true;
    } else {
        throw new DoorException("Door is locked! Unlock it first.");
    }
}

public boolean isOpen() {
    return isOpen;
}

// Custom exception classes
static class LockException extends Exception {
    public LockException(String message) {
        super(message);
    }
}

static class DoorException extends Exception {
    public DoorException(String message) {
        super(message);
    }
}

public static void main(String[] args) {
    Door frontDoor = new Door();

    try {
        frontDoor.unlock();
        frontDoor.open();
        System.out.println("Door is open: " + frontDoor.isOpen());
    } catch (LockException | DoorException e) {
        System.err.println("Error: " + e.getMessage());
    }
}

}

G

All

[blazing current]

why does nobody here know how to use markdown 😭

[ancient thistle]

good question

[knotty root]

I programmed illegal things

I’m pro

[sturdy void]

I programmed legal things

I'm noob

[spark pollen]

What's this channel even about

[warped lark]

how do i use mark down 😭

is it this?

[warped lark]

this would be better ```class Door {
private boolean locked = true;
private boolean open = false;

public void unlock() throws LockException {
    if (!locked) {
        throw new LockException("Door is already unlocked!");
    }
    System.out.println("Unlocking the door...");
    locked = false;
}

public void lock() throws LockException {
    if (open) {
        throw new LockException("Can't lock an open door! Close it first.");
    }
    if (locked) {
        throw new LockException("Door is already locked!");
    }
    System.out.println("Locking the door...");
    locked = true;
}

public void open() throws DoorException {
    if (locked) {
        throw new DoorException("Door is locked! Unlock it first.");
    }
    if (open) {
        throw new DoorException("Door is already open!");
    }
    System.out.println("Opening the door...");
    open = true;
}

public void close() throws DoorException {
    if (!open) {
        throw new DoorException("Door is already closed!");
    }
    System.out.println("Closing the door...");
    open = false;
}

public boolean isDoorOpen() {
    return open;
}

// Custom exception classes
static class LockException extends Exception {
    public LockException(String message) {
        super(message);
    }
}

static class DoorException extends Exception {
    public DoorException(String message) {
        super(message);
    }
}

public static void main(String[] args) {
    Door frontDoor = new Door();```

            frontDoor.unlock();
            frontDoor.open();
            System.out.println("Door is open: " + frontDoor.isDoorOpen());

            frontDoor.close();
            frontDoor.lock();
        } catch (LockException | DoorException e) {
            System.err.println("Error: " + e.getMessage());
        }
    }
}```

-sigma
-sigma
-sigma

[blazing current]

codeblocks are three backticks

goto markdownguide.org

in Comp sci basically all documentation and writing files are written in markdown

aka "README.md"

[knotty root]

Forgot the java

Other than that it's same with a few features

[raw pumice]

does anyone here use lua?

[ancient thistle]

kind of? i don't do anything super advanced with it

[blazing current]

i use it for my neovim config but thats about it

[raw pumice]

oh k

thx

[shy rune]

I use scratch

[tulip quest]

I remember when I used to use Scratch. It's the reason I have a lot of my programming skills today

very good software for learning once you have a few basics down

[cunning tapir]

Personally i begin with college calculator (yes)

[blazing current]

scratch is peak

[blazing current]

i saw someone implement the linux kernel in scratch

maybe i should run it 🔥

[pseudo igloo]

Yo Ewan

Do you know any good

Studios that primarily

Use lua

Or should I start learning a new coding language

[pseudo igloo]

Or anyone

[blazing current]

Roblox

🔥🔥🔥

Don’t worry about which languages you learn worry more about the actual concepts behind them

Because besides syntax like all languages are basically the same; loops, ifs, etc

[pseudo igloo]

Actually

I learned

Lua from Roblox

I’m trynna do lua on

a different software

Ngl

[pseudo igloo]

Oh

Does scratch use Lua aswell?

[blazing current]

What’s ur goal?

[pseudo igloo]

Mb for responding late

To get better at coding, and mainly create a basic game using Lua on another game engine that isn’t Roblox studios

[blazing current]

If ur looking to do game dev then I would learn c#

Supported by unity and Godot pretty solid

Also helps you on the path to learning c++ for unreal engine but don’t start with that

[pseudo igloo]

Ok

Is c# the easiest

Besides from

Lua

[silent root]

Might be hard at first since the syntax is completely different

[tight salmon]

I mean tbh most languages the only hard part is syntax once you adjust to syntax codding is a breeze I'm partial to C++ but like some others said starting with C# is a pretty good idea. And thankfully there are tones of resources out there to help adjust to different syntaxes

[next mantle]

C++ is a horrible language to start on if you want simple stuff

[neon valve]

what is worldbox running on

[tight salmon]

100% if you try to start with C++ Especially when making them jump from Lua just gonna hate everything

But god i still love that language so much no idea why

[prisma grail]

C#.

[blazing current]

C++ is just a mid language honestly

Only still exists because of legacy

Cuz everything written in c++ 😞

[pseudo igloo]

Console.Writeline(“”); is how you print something

To the output right

Gotta make sure I’m learning the right thing

[silent root]

i last used c# in unity

i remember using print

like in lua

but regular c# should be Console.Writeline

[smoky atlas]

Okay smart people so I got bored and decided to make rps on python to make this(probably an abomination)

How would I make the program restart through an user input?(ie: It'd ask 'Do you want to replay? Yes/No' and you'll have to type in Yes to restart the game.)

I've searched Google and i understand nothing so I came here

Btw would anyone have any tips on optimizing the number of lines

[novel umbra]

!rank

[silent root]

put it in a loop

at the end if the user says no then break out of the loop

import random

choices = ["Rock", "Paper", "Scissors"]

while True:
    userchoice = input("Choose: Rock, Paper or Scissors\n")
    computerchoice = random.choice(choices)
    
    if userchoice == computerchoice:
        print("Tie")
    elif userchoice == "Rock" and computerchoice == "Paper":
        print("You lose")
    elif userchoice == "Paper" and computerchoice == "Scissors":
        print("You lose")
    elif userchoice == "Scissors" and computerchoice == "Rock":
        print("You lose")
    else:
        print("You win")
    if input("Play Again? (y/n)\n") == "n":
        break

theres probably a better way to shorten this but idk a lot about python

[ancient thistle]

there is a more optimal way to write the if checks but that wasn't the original question, so i won't impose lol

[warped lark]

while input("Choose: Rock, Paper or Scissors\n") != 'n':
    userchoice = input()
    computerchoice = random.choice(["Rock", "Paper", "Scissors"])
    result = "Tie" if userchoice == computerchoice else "You lose" if (userchoice == "Rock" and computerchoice == "Paper") or (userchoice == "Paper" and computerchoice == "Scissors") or (userchoice == "Scissors" and computerchoice == "Rock") else "You win"
    print(result)
    if input("Play Again? (y/n)\n") == "n": break```

the shortest it can be 😭

[blazing current]

Ask ChatGPT

[smoky atlas]

Nah, please tell me

[smoky atlas]

Damn i understand it... Never thought I'd be able to understand code

Thank you man

🙏

[smoky atlas]

I just realised i forgot to add what will happen if I put in paper

💀

[ancient thistle]

import random

beats = {
    "Rock": "Scissors",
    "Scissors": "Paper",
    "Paper": "Rock",
}

while True:
    userchoice = input("Choose: Rock, Paper or Scissors\n")
    computerchoice = random.choice(tuple(beats.keys()))
    
    if userchoice == computerchoice:
        print("Tie")
    elif beats.get(userchoice, "") == computerchoice:
        print("You win")
    else:
        print("You lose")

    if input("Play Again? (y/n)\n") == "n":
        break

without adding any other functionality...

if you make the choices (i called it beats, like "Rock" beats "Scissors") into a dictionary, you can write it as one if statement :)

this also has the loop the other person added

[smoky atlas]

Whoa

That is very cool

I'll try if our when I'm free

Thank you man

[ancient thistle]

ofc, it does work the same from my testing!

[pseudo igloo]

Regular C# is like that

Ty

[smoky atlas]

If I'm not wrong(I'm guessing rn) does a tuple choose from one of the beats and then take either of the two or does it categorize each beat into rock paper and scissors to then let random.choice choose ?

I apologise if I'm being confusing

[ancient thistle]

a tuple is a form of list that can't have duplicates, it's not too important in this small program, but in bigger projects, it can be more efficient

random.choice chooses a random item from that tuple

[smoky atlas]

I see

Thank you

[ancient thistle]

you're welcome

[pseudo igloo]

Question is the code your writing Lua?

[ancient thistle]

python

i know lua tho

to a degree

[pseudo igloo]

Oh ok one more question

[ancient thistle]

sure

[pseudo igloo]

Is the beats = {}

A table?

I mean

Yeah a table

[ancient thistle]

dictionary

[pseudo igloo]

ah

oh

[ancient thistle]

a table in lua is basically anything you want it to be

it can be like a dictionary or a list lol

[pseudo igloo]

Yeah it looked kinda similar

To a table in lua

[ancient thistle]

similar syntax

[pseudo igloo]

Oh

Is python and lua sort of similar?

Then those are if statements to

Hm

[ancient thistle]

eh, they are both simpler/easier to read than other languages

i switch between many

[pseudo igloo]

Ohh ok that make sense

[pseudo igloo]

Do you do c# ?

[ancient thistle]

not much anymore, but i have in the past

it's my favorite of the languages that start with C

[dim hawk]

What is this living room for?

[pseudo igloo]

I see

[pseudo igloo]

Ohh

Is it a good language to start off with

Besides Lua?

I heard it’s the more simpler ones

[barren shale]

C# is a really cool language but not worth it currently

if you want simple go with TS and use Bun (https://bun.sh) as a runtime and if you want more complex go with Zig

[quartz pumice]

zig isnt even finished

😭

[barren shale]

zig is production ready though

[wet girder]

C# is my personal favorite language

It does have some limitations tho and I definitely wouldn't use it for everything

[next shell]

No I’m not

[orchid frigate]

no fucking way

I have been waiting for zig for forever

love the idea

[barren shale]

zig been production ready for ages now

[tame socket]

@wet girder sup!!!

How long did it take you to learn c#

???

[wet girder]

I'd honestly say I'm still learning. There's a lot of C# functionality I haven't used that much yet but to be able to use it well took like a few months of daily use and learning the basics took like maybe 2 weeks because I already knew how to code with OOP languages before

[half drift]

Greetings

My first time in this channel

[lapis flint]

Hello

[blazing current]

It’s a really really new language while I think it’s definitely going to replace c the tooling just isn’t there yet

[karmic cave]

ore goes brrrrr

[blazing current]

cinema

🔥

[smoky atlas]

This is straight up fire

[feral bramble]

Amazin

[karmic cave]

more ore

[rain orbit]

m(ore)

[pale remnant]

hi

[sly saffron]

yo

[onyx ginkgo]

Fellas I have a question

[onyx ginkgo]

Does anyone know how to get a model into VRchat?

[half drift]

I forgot how to do that

Is it a custom avatar?

[feral bramble]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2EEbgwoJzdsC9wfKA2ZO2kAf4HDqC8a8

[onyx ginkgo]

I have the file I just need someone to make the bones

[feral bramble]

https://youtu.be/7MDyVTpxW8E

[left citrus]

erm howndo i make compiler from scratch am dumb

[feral bramble]

If you don't know how to code learn that first...

https://norasandler.com/2017/11/29/Write-a-Compiler.html

[left citrus]

it was like 5 am and i was trying to make my own system

i dont remember why

well what i shouldve asked was is there a thing like python but simpler ive been trying to find a better one because everytime i use python theres too much stuff goin on either that or im just dumb when it comes to coding

[feral bramble]

Python is one of the easier languages to learn...

Just keep trying to use it in projects en stuff

[left citrus]

oki

[steep stirrup]

Speciosa solar

[half drift]

It's not hard to code once you know how to do it it's like writing.

[knotty root]

Coding is hard

[muted hull]

Coding is soft

[distant wraith]

Everything is not hard if you know how to do it (duh)

I just experienced how it feels for newcomers in any field really

Learnt the annoying way that I can't even draw Adventure Time arms

Now I feel bad for my gatekeeping in the old days 🫠

[feral bramble]

:(

[distant wraith]

It is what it is

[raw pumice]

Coding is as difficult as writing

[eternal turret]

Send decompiler tutorial 💀

[drowsy gate]

They’re noodles though?

[drowsy gate]

Death

[distant wraith]

That's the embarrassing part 💀

I can't draw the noodles arms

But I didn't get good enough at coding for it to be useful in my first months anyway

I have plenty of time to keep practicing

Well, at least not able make the two lines of the arm even (align?) the first in tries

The hardest part is the fingers. It's like a goddamn final boss for me

Man, saying these reminds me of the time I didn't know what IndexError was

[sharp elbow]

Then organize code and learn concepts

[karmic cave]

Tried to make ore generation like terraria

[next mantle]

Nice!

[tender hedge]

How?

[karmic cave]

just make points and make more same points around point with random chance

[wind current]

What language is world box in btw?

[dense peak]

C#

[next mantle]

@karmic cave how did your systems work? Otnlooks cool

[barren shale]

use noise to generate map then pick a random ore for chunks

that's probably the simplest way

[karmic cave]

just make more points around the start point with random chance :P

[tender hedge]

how do I make my own coding language?

[tulip quest]

Why do you want to? You're just curious? That's fine, I get curious about this stuff too sometimes. You can make your own programming language, but you will always need to base it off of another programming language to an extent, unless you build a processor that can use it directly (much harder, especially if you want to make the language complex). At that point it is almost always worth just using another language instead, but it's your choice if you want to go down that rabbithole and write a language, compiler, etc.

Hardware is the best rabbithole imo

[next mantle]

I’d love to go about designing my own 8 or 16 bit processor one day

[orchid frigate]

Two options:

1. Make an interpreter in another language, preferably faster and lower level like rust or c/c++ for speed which reads your "machine" code
2. Learn how real machine code works and build a simple assembler for it.

The first one is fun

The second one is pain and meaningless

Also don't expect it to be anything good

Making even simple syntax like C takes A LOT of work and logic so it will almost definitely be assembly-like

[next mantle]

Hey assemblers are cool

Assembler Compiler Interpreter Transpiler, have fun with that rabbit hole whoever asked

[quartz pumice]

you can have some fun in logisim

[next mantle]

Nice

[blazing current]

i loved this one

ok i cant send links but theres this youtube video thats really really usefull for this: youtube.com/watch?v=QZwneRb-zqA

[tulip quest]

YES LOGISIM I LOVE IT
I made a very basic 4-bit processor design with it once and it's such good software. It's so good, while it is old it remains the goat. Now I do my stuff in Scrap Mechanic, but I never would've got this far without tick-by-tick debugging.

[solid cliff]

cool to know .wbox can be decompressed

[keen pagoda]

[boreal violet]

Does anyone have a Super rpg mod?

[knotty root]

Hello programmers.

[distant wraith]

I just turned to genetic algorithm for roulette

Everything for that crab money

[next mantle]

Is vro botting in casino or just developing an optimal strategy

[distant wraith]

I make a bot in another server and called the command, then just copy and paste them 👽

I don't know why betting on literally all columns is allowed, but they are

[barren shale]

but it is random right?

[distant wraith]

It is

[barren shale]

[distant wraith]

You never really win against the house's edge either

[barren shale]

then what is the point of the ga

[distant wraith]

If it goes for long enough, you'd still lose everything

[barren shale]

there is no algorithm that wins a purely random game

[distant wraith]

Find the most profitable ratio in the short them 👽

[barren shale]

ratio of?

[distant wraith]

The distribution of the cc to each column bet

[distant wraith]

The score there is the money it made from the starting 20,000 in 100 rounds

It's there since generation 100 probably

Nothing ever beats it or the rng

[barren shale]

and the column that wins is random 👀

i mean this sound like a simple math equation you can ask chatgpt to solve for you

but i guess GAs are fun

[distant wraith]

Claude did

And it's stupid

I'd rather just bet all on red or black

[barren shale]

i'd use a reasoning model

did you use a reasoning claude model?

[distant wraith]

I did use a thinking Claude 3.7

[barren shale]

then it should be right

they are realy good at these theortical math problems

because they are not new and there's a lot of papers about them

[distant wraith]

Sure is

[knotty root]

ask grok

[distant wraith]

It's still much less qualified for me

I'll wait for a while

[barren shale]

Grok 3 is ass compared to the average free model right now

Like ChatGPT 3.5 low is so much better

I like deep research when it doesn’t fail but the normal llm is just not there for them

[fossil wharf]

Guh

[distant wraith]

I realised I can actually use installed apps in #💰worldbox-casino 👽

Hope no one spank me for this

I could try calling LLM APIs and let it guide me

[feral bramble]

you can use them literally anywhere

Just appears as ephemeral messages

[distant wraith]

Don't they have permissions to forbid external apps?

L if not

[feral bramble]

yeah

[distant wraith]

Infinite money glitch

[feral bramble]

just prevents messages from showing up in sevrer

only u can see it

What's stupid is that external apps include the discord activities they've been promoting

so if ya still want to play those but want to stop people from using image posting external apps

You can't

[karmic cave]

recreated this in my game

[feral bramble]

yummy ores

[barren shale]

that chromatic aberration tho

gives me a headache smh

[shy rune]

What would happen if, say, I compressed all the files that comprised a game I was working on, would it run better on all devices without sacrificing anything or would it be shit

[tender hedge]

Why do you ask?

[tender hedge]

Am I allowed to share videos of my about code here?

[barren shale]

you can't do that

too slow to load up

because you have to uncompress before running

only compress game installers

[earnest venture]

https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20206670

Is this the right cave

[smoky atlas]

Depends on what you are here for

[earnest venture]

Banana

[smoky atlas]

🍌

Here you go, tortured soul

[low cedar]

Hello, has anyone made a top-down game with a climbable ladder in Unity? I need help making my character move up when touching the ladder using a Collider instead of a Trigger

[barren shale]

just do two colliders one at the bottom one at the top and add a state to the player that should be true when they are climbing and false when they are not

use the state to change animations to climbing animations

when you touch bottom collider and presses interact button move the player (or do a smooth animation) to the bottom side of the ladder and set climbing state to true then when they reach the top teleport them off the ladder and set the climbing state to false

if this is not procedurally generated you can set the teleport coordinates on your own but if it is you need to play with it a bit to get decent relative values

idk if this how games do it but this is how id do it and you can always ask chatgpt how it is done normally

[low cedar]

Tysm

[pearl pier]

Hi <@&1348293632301469760>

[next mantle]

Plz don’t ping that

That’s the actual devs role

I.e the big guys maxim & Mastef

[shy rune]

Newbie

[exotic island]

help 😭

NOTHIN FUCKIN WORKS

[next mantle]

Typescript moment

[exotic island]

i was told TS was good, TURNS OUT ITS SHIT

IT WASNT FUCKING COMITTING

IT WASNT PUSHING THE COMMITS FFS 😭

i migrated it to javascript

[next mantle]

Nice

[distant wraith]

Typescript isn't even that bad

It's just JavaScript

With typing

[knotty root]

i need tech support how the fuck do i run a .jar file

nvm got it

[dusty kernel]

that's probably true, unless you already hate JavaScript.

[barren shale]

ts is good

looks like a skill issue

you have lint rules to prefer const and you are not using const

smh my head

download vscode eslint extension to see redlines where you dont write correct code

if you use vscode

there isn't actually any errors in the code just some lets that need to be turned into consts and an unused variable you can remove

of course you can always disable the linter and run your bad code

[cyan rapids]

dwarf fortress ahh

[signal arrow]

why are you scared of dwarf fortress?

[cyan rapids]

im not?

i meant that its a look-a-like

[tulip quest]

Dwarf Fortress is based as, graphics don't matter

[exotic island]

Hush demon, jsx is clearly superior

[barren shale]

Nope

[static solar]

ASCII art games tend to do that

[distant wraith]

I'm shocked it turned out better than absolute shit

[tacit hawk]

What’s wrong with TS?

[exotic island]

Its existence

[blazing current]

Let me settle the debate

Both JavaScript and typescript are terrible languages

The end

[barren shale]

Typescript is good if you know how to use it

That’s why I call skill issue

[drowsy gate]

Why don’t you use a cool marceline pfp

[bleak widget]

.

[tender cave]

This

[distant wraith]

Crybabies

[blazing current]

i use typescript for every web proj and have 4 years experience with it but i still hate it

it fixes some of the problems of js but its still based on js which was a mistake to begin with

we have spent billions of dollars and decades trying to make javascript work and its just barely good enough now

[distant wraith]

This is peak battle simulation right here

[quartz pumice]

why are web developers even doing all of that

just make a backend in python or something and get the exact same performance with all the simplicity and expandability

[outer pawn]

Anybody know anything about worldbox mods?

I was tryna figure out how to make worldbox mods and wanted to try using CollectionMod as an example, I can use their images, however whenever I try to use my own, it says it cant grab it

buttonSprite = Mod.EmbededResources.LoadSprite($"{Mod.Info.Name}.Resources.Icons.family_icon.png");

[smoky atlas]

#🔧modding-talk could help you

[barren shale]

backend python

bro took the bad part of javascript and took it only

there's no better DX than just using typescript full stack

it is impossible to get a better DX unless they make browsers run a different language

also javascript is a very great UI library since it was made to run on a single thread very well it is just not good for computationally heavy tasks

[blazing current]

you are right here i cant lie, but it is only this way BECAUSE corporations have invested so much into making JS work

its essentially the idea of legacy systems being so well established that we cant change it even if the foundation is trash

but you are right javascript is specially tailored for the web by this point so of course it beats every other language in that use case

HTMX and other tools are trying to change that but they are just a drop in the ocean lol

[barren shale]

Most current languages have some sort of a trash foundation

[blazing current]

well yeah but newer languages have a slightly less trash foundation because they learned from older langs mistakes

and id say js has a noticeably trashier foundation than most, idk i just hate the idea of the compiler trying to make stuff work with a guessing game rather than just telling the programmer to fix they code

nondeterminism SUCKS

[dreamy violet]

languages that care too much about legacy code become trash

controversial? Maybe

[lapis flint]

🥴

[barren shale]

sooo every language?

[lapis flint]

Even speaking ones

[dreamy violet]

ye pretty much

[willow reef]

Type script

[blazing current]

Typescript was written in typescript but that didn’t work out

Porting to golang as all good things do

[barren shale]

Javascript runs on a single thread which is why typescript serever sucked all these years

Golang has easy concurrency and it is more efficient

Can't wait tbh because I'm suffering so much in large projects

Typescript server needs a restart every 10 minutes

[wet girder]

Actually? That's so bad like wtf

[barren shale]

Yup

Typescript is so good that you can do very cool things with types

The only problem is the deeper you go with types the more crashes you get on the language server

Hopefully the golang port will fix this

[wet girder]

That's honestly kinda insane that it's single threaded but Ig it kinda makes sense for web fronts so websites can't cause too much destruction

[blazing current]

its honestly no fault of typescript it was just never really designed to be a language for a compiler

and also having a compiler be a JIT interpreted language instead of raw compiled makes no sense as there are no runtime benefits to doing so

[mellow monolith]

"controversial" take but [virgin all other languages] <<< [chad typed lambda calculus]

i love lambda calculus actually

it's big "those programmers over there would be very upset if they could read" vibes and i love it. for something that makes so much sense when you figure it out it seems like the eldritch fucking tongue when you're ignorant of it

massive l can't share the tromp diagrams. somehow the man who solved connect-4 made lambda calculus even more ESOTERICALLY ALL POOOOWEEERFUUUUUL

[mellow monolith]

also in the original context of javascript's usecase that actually isn't as idiotic as it seems

i think it is more just people using javascript wrong than javascript being wrong.

js running in a single thread doesn't mean you're locked out of concurrency. in fact, you can still do pretty much anything you would want in js that you can in any other similar system. it's just different. besides, web workers being a thing makes the entire argument over js being singlethreaded a moot point anyway, at least imo.

i don't stan js but i also will not slander it incorrectly. i will slander it for valid reasons. like node.js, and how it exists at all.

[barren shale]

web workers suck ass

you can't share memory properly

[static solar]

Maybe still relevant

[mellow monolith]

i think you can expose everything you would expect to be able to expose given the scope. web workers are intended to be discrete threads themselves, i don't think it is good practice to really be "sharing" memory between them like that. you would refactor the code so that stuff like that isn't necessary. pertinent data can either be exposed publicly or registered somewhere publicly accessible and ideally your js is set up in such a way that that is already true somehow. javascript is funky i agree but it isn't as stupidly designed as most people think. most people just aren't used to designing applications with the philosophy js uses imo

it's a lot more atomic than other languages. a lot of javascript is slow bc it is bad javascript, not bc javascipt is bad. (well, javascript is bad but not for these reasons)

[blazing current]

Functional for the win

Until you want to make something more complicated than a calculator app 😢

But I am a lover of math so I’m with you

[dreamy violet]

I don’t get why people hate ts

most don’t but the few that do seem to have very strong hatred?

[distant wraith]

The Typescripters are the most oppressed minority

[smoky sable]

My favorite language is brain fuck

[barren shale]

yes you can send information between web workers in messages, but if you ever worked with web workers you know how much they suck

there's nothing wrong with sharing memory between threads if done safely

it actually makes multi threading work so much easier

javascript is built for UI

I think light servers do very well with javascript since UI and light computation align in a lot of ways

[real surge]

@wet girder hi

[blazing current]

this more than anything tbh

JS is great for what it was made for

[barren shale]

what in the microsoft store ahhh layout is this updatte

[blazing current]

Discord try not to change their ui for 1 min challenge

[cyan rapids]

simple classicube bot script on python

[mental jungle]

anyone here having trouble with duck.ai api recently?

[cyan rapids]

v2 of my classicube bot. Integrates with ollama (locally ran LLMs) and makes it possible to interact with players in-game. Sends CPE packets if its enabled on connection but didnt implement CPE messages

so cpe is kinda useless

[distant wraith]

What about it?

[mental jungle]

I think they're blocking me. Used it for a discord bot

[distant wraith]

lol

I think they just added a cloudflare challenge to prevent botting

Rough, I guess

[barren shale]

Prevent botting on an api????

That doesn’t make sense

[distant wraith]

No, no

It's not an official API

[barren shale]

Oh makes sense

[distant wraith]

They just request the duck.ai's server for their own stuff

[barren shale]

@wet girder they found a bug that casued a function to be 3^N complexity instead of N in the typescript codebase

it is probably the one causing all these crashes

[wet girder]

Huh interesting

[barren shale]

it effects validation packages which are nutorious for causing bad perforamnce

i guess now we know why

the function wasnt caching properly which fucked it up

[wet girder]

Lmao, can you send link to some article or something so I can read more details?

[barren shale]

one sec i can send you a tweet

@wet girder https://x.com/arktypeio/status/1905293040064790541

ArkType (@arktypeio) on X

Investigating a TypeScript caching issue that could have a *massive* impact for validators like ArkType, Zod and Valibot.

For projects that heavily rely on schema inference like tRPC, fixing this could have a bigger impact than tsgo.

Trigger Warning: O(3^N)

X · Mar 27, 2025, 4:17 PM

[wet girder]

Thanks

[barren shale]

the bug was discovered by the creators of a validation package

i hope this gets fixed

typescript intellisense is unusable on big projects

from 733 checks to 24349567

it is really bad x)

[wet girder]

Damn that's actually insane

[lyric grove]

I made a portable compressor and decompressor for WorldBox maps, in Rust programming language

https://github.com/Jean-Antoine-de-Anglerais/worldbox_maps_pressor_console/releases/tag/1.0.0

[next mantle]

Nice!

[feral bramble]

neat

[prisma grail]

[blazing current]

absolute cinema to see more rust appreciation here

[barren shale]

sadly rust didnt go the best route

doing mutliple things at the same time (concurrency, multi threading, parallelism) is very hard in rust

very solid base for single threaded stuff

or if you gonna use multi threaded libraries built by rust nerds

but building multi threaded stuff from scratch is a death wish

not my own experience but i've heard it from a lot of low level programmers

[rare shore]

It was a mistake to check this channel.. its all robot language to me. 😭

[errant trail]

// Initializing payload for @trains_are_cool125428 
[System]>> [ID: 1191856338381324348] >> Target recognized.
>>> Connect("target_server", port 8080) 
>>> Inject: Base64Encoder + XorObfuscate 
>>> Auth Token >> 17F9A4A5B61A3E
>>> Run: Decrypt('module_01', mode=DynamicKey(12))

>>> Scanning for endpoint [@trains_are_cool125428]
[Command: /Execute_Inject(@trains_are_cool125428, ID 1191856338381324348)]
>>> Generating payload: SHA256 checksum = 4598c47fa5de3d80b6adf92c48c0f3a7f82c8c55
>>> Establishing backdoor (Signal X|Trigger)
>>> Compiling vector code 0x12A4 (Async trigger)
>>> Bypass: AntiFuzzer attempt | Firewall 28% threshold reached.
>>> Downloading logs (encrypted_91f4)

- Log: **Error in Protocol 3** | File Corrupted | Exiting Phase 1.

>>> Shutdown active [@trains_are_cool125428] << [System Response: Denied] 
>>> Deactivating stealth mode, 98% complete...
>>> Process locked, end of transmission.

[rare shore]

AAAAA
function yell(message) {
return message.toUpperCase() + "!!!";
}

[Thats all i could do don’t judge]

[tulip quest]

not half bad to be honest, you know more than most (most non-programmers that is)

[severe dove]

Weiner

[tacit yew]

IT FLIES

[kindred matrix]

What

[knotty root]

It flies!

[molten rock]

VILTRUMITES

[brave sorrel]

archive it

[prime merlin]

F

[tacit yew]

TIME FLIES

[knotty root]

Greg?

[prime merlin]

No cooldown

[golden beacon]

TIME FLIES

[half relic]

It doesn't, been waiting for ts for years

[knotty root]

TIME FLIES

[worn tartan]

Time flies elves die

[molten rock]

they all sang along?

[prime merlin]

Time flies it sours it smells

[tacit yew]

Amen 🙏 death to elves

[knotty root]

WorldBoxia is falling apart !

[errant trail]

i love not maintaining large codebases ❤️

wtf is this

it flies

[prime merlin]

No

[errant trail]

get out

TALK ABOUT CODING GODDAMIT

[half relic]

Srry ts too important not to invade

[errant trail]

console.log("hello world (box)");

[knotty root]

The time for coding flies?

Coding the update?

[worn tartan]

Fit = lm(y~x, d = data)

[prime merlin]

Bro it’s the update trust

[worn tartan]

Summary(fit)

[brave garden]

I like java script

[tacit yew]

Time got away from Maxim so the coding isn't done.

[errant trail]

yknow what

im posting a wall of code

function optimizeUnits(cost, starting, budget) {
    let remainingBudget = [...budget]; // [manpower, gold]
    let result = {}; // Final unit counts

    // Sort units by cost-efficiency (manpower + gold) to optimize budget use
    let units = Object.keys(cost).sort((a, b) => {
        let costA = cost[a][0] + cost[a][1];
        let costB = cost[b][0] + cost[b][1];
        return costA - costB; // Sort units by total cost, cheapest first
    });

    // Try to use up the entire budget
    for (let unit of units) {
        // Skip banned units (marked as -1)
        if (starting[unit] === -1) continue;

        let [manpowerCost, goldCost] = cost[unit];

        // Calculate the maximum possible units we can afford with the remaining budget
        let maxPossible = Math.min(
            Math.floor(remainingBudget[0] / manpowerCost),
            Math.floor(remainingBudget[1] / goldCost)
        );

        if (maxPossible > 0) {
            // Buy as many as we can afford, and deduct from the budget
            result[unit] = maxPossible;
            remainingBudget[0] -= maxPossible * manpowerCost;
            remainingBudget[1] -= maxPossible * goldCost;
        }
    }

    // Return the result with the combination that uses up the budget as much as possible
    return result;
}

// Example Usage
let cost = {
    infantry: [10, 5],
    cavalry: [30, 15],
    archer: [15, 10]
};

let starting = {
    infantry: 50,  // Not used, just an example, doesn't matter here
    cavalry: -1,   // Banned
    archer: 30     // Not used either, just an example
};

let budget = [1000, 500]; // [manpower, gold]

console.log(optimizeUnits(cost, starting, budget));

NOW GET OUT

[deft frigate]

no!

int main()
{
  std::cout << "hello, world (box)\n";
};```

[next prairie]

can someoen make a code to tell me when the update comes out?

[tacit yew]

print("No")

[deft frigate]

here you go

int main()
{
  printf("idk lol lmao");
};```

[next prairie]

thanks

[sullen steeple]

it flies

[leaden perch]

it flies

[distant tiger]

it flies

[rugged shell]

it flies

[muted hull]

it flies

[thick hull]

It flies

[sly hazel]

it flies

[light swallow]

it lies

[heavy basin]

It flies

[past lotus]

it flies

[spiral glacier]

here

here we shall be

[lean marsh]

TO IT FLIES