⌨coders-cave

[jolly field]

@prisma grail

[barren shale]

i own this channel

what is youtrack?

[next mantle]

Have any of y’all built an assembler before?

[prisma grail]

Fair, sounds like it's probably gonna be quite the challenge then. Good luck!

[prisma grail]

Issue tracking/PM, but by Jetbrains.

[barren shale]

@orchid frigate did something like that I think but he’s not been here for a while

[barren shale]

Why not GitHub?

[next mantle]

Nice

[prisma grail]

Funnily enough, you're the second person to be having this exact reaction in the last 20 minutes. xD
In our particular usecase, we didn't want the system tied so deeply into our repo so that it's possible to give people access to creating/discussing issues without giving access to the repo/its code.

[barren shale]

I’m pretty sure you can do that with GitHub and a third party

Just use something like what worldbox is doing

And create the issues manually

If you want automatic issues then you also have to clean all the bad issues

So it’s around the same amount of work

[prisma grail]

Wdym?

[barren shale]

There’s probably a GitHub bot that can do this for you

With a third party thingie where people can go and add issues

Then the bot would add the issues to the repo

But as I said having the bot adding the issues might be more work than adding them manually

[prisma grail]

Yeah, though we already had that effort before in the form of needing to actually needing to talk with the people about their suggestion. Didn't have any issue stuff back then, so once we agreed on something to do, we basically just relied on our brains to not forget.

[barren shale]

Is this for your job?

[prisma grail]

Tbf, I think it's not that bad in our case since the issue creators are still a closed group of people, it's not like we're letting literally all end users access the platform.

Could see what you mean if anyone could create stuff at will.

[prisma grail]

Free time project, my workplace already has quite an interesting approach to issues.

[barren shale]

Ez solution

Create a website

People login and add issues

[prisma grail]

(At work, we've got SVN for VSC with Redmine wrapped on top for PM. xD)

[barren shale]

I mean you could also always contract us for a custom dashboard but I don’t think you should pay that kind of money for a free time project

[barren shale]

Ahhh yess words I’ve never heard of

[prisma grail]

Can't say you're missing out tbh.

[barren shale]

I don’t even track issues

I just have a todo list 😎

[prisma grail]

Yeahh, don't think I'm paying for that. xD

[prisma grail]

Tbf, that's still better than our previous system.

(The previous system was "no system". )

[barren shale]

My previous system was a text file

[prisma grail]

My current system when doing WorldBox modding is to have a big comment at the top of the main file that's a dump of all TODOs. xD

[barren shale]

Yes I noticed

[prisma grail]

I've been meaning to switch to GitHub issues for a long time, but laziness keeps getting the better of me...

[prisma grail]

[barren shale]

Issues are like comments

Unnecessary if you name your pull requests correctly

[prisma grail]

Bold to assume that I do pull requests on my modding stuff.
Also, I disagree either way because without issues or some form of TODO, I'd just instantly forget 50% of things I should be doing. xD

[barren shale]

I forget too

I just don’t care

[prisma grail]

xD

I do because whenever I forget something and then realize that I forgot something, my brain just starts to torture me until I remember.

Probably lose like at least 3 hours of sleep per week to my brain doing that. xD

[barren shale]

Losing sleep over coding related stuff?

Can’t be me || ||

[prisma grail]

The curse of coders.

[lapis flint]

I thought same, but that happens only when you working on your own project

Working on job project changes things, i have good sleep schedule now

[prisma grail]

I think it's less ownership and more just personal investment in the project. If it's not really a project you're passionate about and you're mainly doing it because you get paid to do it, you're ofc not gonna be losing any sleep over it. xD

[lapis flint]

Nah, even if you passionate

I guess its because of employers, they disallowed me to work on weekends

[prisma grail]

Idk, I've personally never before seen a true workaholic be stopped by their intended maximum work times.

[lapis flint]

Its more productive to have rest time i guess

Employer understand that, so makes me rest, but for himself he don't follow that

[prisma grail]

That's fair, and it does often help to e.g. just sleep on an error instead of trying to fix it for the entire night.

[lapis flint]

Nah, i still can't sleep on an error

I need to fix it asap

Instead of sleep i do walk

It helps

Only after fix annoying bug i can sleep well

[prisma grail]

I know that feeling far too well. xD

[knotty root]

hello new channel

why wont the image named asuka appear

im trying to make a thing for school

i cannot figure it out

help

resolved the issue

[lapis flint]

Its very old channel

[knotty root]

New to me

[barren shale]

Also you just write code at a job

You don’t have to design stuff and worry about how things will be in the future

[prisma grail]

Yeah. Worst case scenario, if technical debt blows through the roof, you'd either be paid just to fix it or you could find another company.

[barren shale]

Yeah

Join company
Write shit code
Leave company
Repeat

[prisma grail]

Or, even better (as the dream for if you're good enough for it), write completely unmaintainable code that works great and slowly but surely make the company dependent on you so that you can effectively financially "extort" them with the threat of quitting.

[lapis flint]

Depends on where you work, it can be different

[wispy vale]

unfireable

[jolly field]

True

[feral bramble]

Probably placed it outside canvas?

[lapis flint]

And not applied image, so it can be same color as background

[proven tinsel]

Are you...the guy that created power box?

[lapis flint]

Ye

Me and QuickLast

[wispy vale]

why did you remove trait remover rain

[lapis flint]

Its maintained by Key now

So i don't rememeber, it was me who was lazy to fix related bugs (or other reason), or it is Key's decision

[wispy vale]

oh

[wispy vale]

it was before like when trait rains release you removed that trait rain feature itself

maybe because of the feature being released in update

[lapis flint]

Ah

Yes then

Batch features remove

No trait rain -> no remove rain

I guess that was my logic

[lapis flint]

Because i was lazy to update it, i need to have separate window with all the traits, while it already made by devs, so will be two places with traits

[feral bramble]

code.org default sprite be gray

[blazing current]

what kind of ide is this 😂

[knotty root]

shitty school thing

[blazing current]

actually i cant be talking

mine is worse

[blazing current]

i fee lthat

they tryna force me to use Clion for Advanced Programming

[quartz pumice]

Ew code.org

[quartz pumice]

If i had to teach someone programming I would start them from assembly

im not even joking

[feral bramble]

why

seems like heck of a steep learning curve but ok

[quartz pumice]

assembly is simple lol

and it will allow you to know how things actually work instead of just "magick"

[feral bramble]

don't ya already have prior programming experience

so already familiar with terminologies en stuff

[quartz pumice]

yes

but uh

😭

[feral bramble]

Always keep in mind the prior knowledge you have when teaching someone who doesn't have amy knowledge

down to the wording

[quartz pumice]

yeah but assembly theres like not alot of concepts

[feral bramble]

Ok give an example of how you'd walk someone through assembly

[blazing current]

why are you lying

[quartz pumice]

idk

I cant walk someone through walking

[blazing current]

calling assembly "easy and simple" for begginers feels like a pick me line

like trying to make urself sound smarter for no reason

[quartz pumice]

huh

bro I think your right and i dont want it to be like that

[blazing current]

i agree it is important to learn assembly though

but its by no means beginner friendly as you need to understand a lot about the underlying computer architecture to do it

[quartz pumice]

but how do you need to know alot about the underlying computer architecture, if your a beginner you would be starting off like basic addition and loops

which yu wouldnt need any underlying knowledge for, except like register names

[blazing current]

yeah but you need to understand how registers work, not to mention to understand a lot of the basic instructions, and you are forced to learn loops and such without any abstraction

a lot of it can be boiled down to learning memory management ig

[quartz pumice]

wait if your doing basic addition and loops wouldnt registers just be "a place to store number"

wait registers are incredibly simple

[next mantle]

Most people take the extreme opposite route & start with Python

Where you can ignore all of the underlying mechanisms until you figure out the basics

[lapis flint]

Notepad

[blazing current]

id say the perfect middle ground is a garbage collected language that is also strongly typed

python makes it a little too magic without having to declare what type is what

[feral bramble]

Java :P

[blazing current]

java isnt thaaaat bad

i have a soft spot

for it

[feral bramble]

idk why people hate on it tbh

[tulip quest]

I'm gonna be honest, Python definitely does the job when teaching basic programming skills. What happens after that for most people, though, is they move onto more specialized and optimized languages, which is the best next step from there. Both high-level and low-level languages work well for teaching, but mid-level has specific stuff to worry about that isn't the best for teaching.

[blazing current]

idk

python is definetly a very usefull tool in my book but if you dont have any idea about anything regarding data types then ur gonna run into a lot of problems in the future

[barren shale]

ngl python http server helped me a lot

moving files from server to another with curl and a python http server

and its built in

you just python -m http.server 8080

[feral bramble]

nice

[clever fable]

Ok

Me when Lua Learning

[quartz pumice]

SCP?

[barren shale]

Scp?

[quartz pumice]

The command

[barren shale]

What’s that

[quartz pumice]

ssh copy

Let's you send files over ssh

[barren shale]

Nah I just curl stuff

[quartz pumice]

Lol

[barren shale]

Used to it more x)

[quartz pumice]

Ya curl is cewl

[barren shale]

Also don’t know about speeds with ssh

Are they better?

[quartz pumice]

Not inconvenient slow but definitely slower than http

[wet girder]

Every time I use this command it brings up trauma from the one time on this exam thingy I forgot the command was unable to copy a file from a server in the given time period

[barren shale]

Yeah I move gigs of files

[barren shale]

Fun

[quartz pumice]

Oof

[wet girder]

got full marks on that thing besides that one tho by just explaining the next steps I would've done

[quartz pumice]

W teacher

[blazing current]

yeah i like this tool

usually i just use the test tooling that comes with most stacks

[quartz pumice]

imagine syncing with git

[viral snow]

good job

[flat valley]

Ok for the record I have no clue what Im doing messing around with py and VScode which is probably the bulk of my issues and probably cant be helped, however, I have some code here that if anyone wants to help/correct me on that would be very helpful. Basically background to this is I was trying to decode a cryptic message in https://discord.com/channels/522561390330904585/1305874996706672690 which used some random chinese letter script with each letter corresponding to an english letter. My biggest issue, which might just be me being stupid, was figuring out which chinese letters corresponded to which english letters. After that the second step is (Im like 90% sure from the hints I was given) to apply a ceasar cipher of 7 to the message. So I got Chatgpt to write some code to basically brute force the first step, trying every possible combination of letters, changing each message with the cipher, and then checking the results to see if any of them are actual english an not gibberish. Thing is I'm not very good at coding in general let alone python which although simple I have no experience in, so I couldn't check GPTs work. I haphazardly set up the program and VScode and ran it for a few minutes, but there was no output (It was definitely running because my computer fans were freaking out). While there were probably several different steps of failure I've come to you guys for help with at least the actual code part if anyone here is experienced with python I would be grateful if you could check ChatGPT's work to see if its doing what its supposed to, and give any possible suggestions. 🙏
I attached the file because its too much text to type in one message:

oh nvm it embeds W discord

Also theres a (small) chance that the code and setup is completely fine and it just takes a lot longer to brute force than I thought. If thats the case any educated guesses on how long the process is likely to take would be helpful too.

[next mantle]

@flat valley so did it succeed?

As in have you decoded the message?

[flat valley]

No that’s why I’m here 👽

[next mantle]

Which one specifically is it?

[flat valley]

It shows in the file

ꍟꆰꃅꆰꁴ ꌃꀎꆰꂦꆰꍟ
ꍏꁴꆰ ꀤꍏꀸꊼꉣ
ꆰꎇꆰꀸꁴꂵꊼꊼꀘ ꈤꀸꍏꅏꆰꁴ
ꀎꎇ ꂦꂵꁴ ꍏꁴꊼꀘ ꈤꆰ ꓄ꆰꂵꊼꆰꉣ ꈤꀘ ꀸꆰꈤꀎꀸꎇ꓄

[next mantle]

Alright ima take a (manual) crack at it

The most important step of any 1:1 cipher is to find E

It is by far the most common letter, majority of words contain it

A giveaway for it is E(X)E patterns

[flat valley]

I would feel pretty bad if I spent a day trying to decode it like 3 separate ways and you get it in half an hour but as long as I get the answer

[next mantle]

I’ll do it in 10

Bet

[flat valley]

Good luck

You could maybe join the rpg if you get it too we need more smart people

[next mantle]

@flat valley done!

Did it in five minutes

[flat valley]

No shot

[next mantle]

DM’s

[flat valley]

Also it’s more like 7 but ok

[next mantle]

It’s 5

Wait

Nvm I can’t count

Ye 7

Sub-ten anyhow

[wicked spindle]

can u share it here

[next mantle]

I’ll share all of them one I’ve cracked everything

I’ve only done the one above

[flat valley]

ok well I guess my problem is now irrelevant but I guess if any of you are super bored and like fixing code you can still go at it

[tulip quest]

I'm doing something very stupid... I'm doing stuff so I can toggle my files for Spelunky HD between normal music and bass-boosted versions lol

[flat valley]

Spelunky player based

[tulip quest]

my guess is you are too

anyway I'd try it for 2 as well but the files are more obfuscated

either way, I'm using batch files to accomplish this, they seem to be the right tool for the job

[flat valley]

Not a big one but I have like 10-20 hours in spelunky 2

Arguably the hardest game of all time lol I didnt even get close to beating it

[tulip quest]

I've got 40 hours each in both 1 and 2, and a bunch in classic

[tulip quest]

furthest I've gone solo is the first final boss

(I died, had no shotgun)

[flat valley]

I genuinely cant think of a more brutal and challenging game than spelunky but thats the fun of it

[tulip quest]

some people say "oh but Darksouls! oh but Elden Ring!" but those games are predetermined

people play Spelunky for years and find new ways to die every day

[flat valley]

literally

[tulip quest]

the only bad way to die is to be hit at one health in a lame way

[flat valley]

(which ive had happen to me a lot still)

[tulip quest]

my personal tip is to never keep shopkeepers angry

if you rob, rob in 1-2 and get forgiven ASAP

anyway I'm gonna get this happening, once it's done I'll show video

[tulip quest]

arghhh. I'm having batch file problems. I've got a command (xcopy "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Spelunky\Data\Music\A01_dark.ogg" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Spelunky\Data\Music\normalA01_dark.ogg") and I'm trying to get it to create new files without asking whether I want it to copy the file or directory. For context, the first file path leads to an existing file, and the second to a non-existent one I want to create. It works perfectly except when I try and get it not to prompt me, in which case it just decides to close.

I'm new to batch files, and whether or not I continue using them I'm still curious as to whether I can do this

[still bramble]

Please only English

99 little bugs jumping on the code
One fell down and got patched out
112 little bugs jumping on the code

[barren shale]

-Oracle SQL Server

[prisma grail]

We're taught SQL with that thing in my school, and then they also teach us PLSQL in it to add insult to injury. TwT

[barren shale]

same

[wet girder]

Found this awesome project someone made
https://domsson.github.io/freedom-clock/#clock

It's a bit of ISO8601 time format propaganda but still

[barren shale]

😂

i suffered from this not so long ago

since i host my websites on a us hosting provider and the function to render the page runs on us server so the default format was us format

[feral bramble]

how tf do i read this

[barren shale]

its minutes:seconds:hours

[feral bramble]

The display broke

the numbers not fully rendering lmao

I can tell the format

just not the damn time

[wet girder]

How tf lmao

[feral bramble]

totally working clock fr

[wet girder]

I just use hetzner for everything, never had issues with them especially with time format because I use their Helsinki data center

[barren shale]

i use hetzner for bigger websites

[feral bramble]

ah forced dark theme ruined it lol

[wet girder]

What browser do you use

[barren shale]

because vercel is fucking expensive

[wet girder]

Ohh

[barren shale]

but its easier to work with vercel

[feral bramble]

i turned on the dark theme in chrome flag :P

unfortunately the toggle is always on by default

inorder to have the checkbox there

[wet girder]

Makes sense, I suppose hetzner is cheaper for bigger websites than vercel?

[barren shale]

yeah

also i can stay on the free tier

its not worth it to go pro on vercel for 20$ a month when i cant use up all the pro features

i can just spin up a couple of $5 servers on hetzner

also if you use vercel wrong it can be very expensive

like 1TB of bandwidth on vercel costs you $400

[wet girder]

Damn

[barren shale]

and hetzner gives you 2TB of bandwidth for free witth the VPS

i guess not free since your paying for the VPS but you get the point

if you fuck up on vercel you go bankrupt

[wet girder]

Sounds like AWS

[barren shale]

yeah they use very fast CDNs so you are not supposed to use them to deliver things like images and videos

[barren shale]

yeah ive heard

a guy had an empty S3 bucket

got charged so much money because someone found the ID and started spamming the api with requests

he didnt have any permissions to do anything with the bucket but just spamming a specific endpoint was enough to incure charges i guess

[wet girder]

Damn

[barren shale]

cloudflare R2 buckets are way cheaper

they have two types of buckets and one of them has free bandwidth

[wet girder]

Yeah but AWS is made for enterprise stuff and it works super well for it

[barren shale]

all of these buckets are S3 compatiable but people dont like to change

enterprises love legacy shit

[wet girder]

True lol

[barren shale]

i have my own S3 compatiable bucket on a little home server that i back up databases to

very easy to use

[wet girder]

The thing about AWS is, it makes scaling super easy which is why it's usually recommended for massive software

[barren shale]

that's not really an AWS specific thing

anymore

[wet girder]

Fair

[barren shale]

cloudflare can do it and azure can do it

auto scaling is like a necessity at this point

[wet girder]

Azure is a bit janky compared to AWS but it does do the job true

[barren shale]

yeah ive heard

AWS only advantage at this point is that they are early to the game

[wet girder]

I've used both at work, not at very deep level but surface level stuff and have much preferred AWS

[barren shale]

and people dont want to rehire and change their architecture

cloudflare is even better but it doesnt cover everything in AWS yet

also way better UI on cloudflare i heard

ive never personally tried AWS

[wet girder]

I should check more cloudflare stuff. I just use their free DNS thing and email forwarding

[barren shale]

yeah i use a cloudflared tunnel to access my home server

since the public ip on my network is dynamic

also its safer and you dont need to forward ports

unlimitied free btw

but you can't use the tunnel for all types of traffic

they don't support UDP sadly 😔

[wet girder]

Damn, I have a ubiquiti router that has a built in VPN that I use if I need to connect to my home network. Works well enough

[barren shale]

i've setup wireguard so many times that i'm basically a pro at it now

wireguard is so OP

all modern VPNs use it

i tried to do a client exit node on wireguard not so long ago and i just gave up

i guess not so pro after all

[wet girder]

Tbf that isn't exactly an easy thing to do afaik

[barren shale]

yeah

ip routing is so complicated

[next lotus]

man

[quartz pumice]

Omg it's Mike Rowe Soft himself

[opaque ingot]

How doi code lua in microwave

[feral bramble]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mdllBTbPK9Q
first step

[blazing current]

yeah im looking to migrate my website off github pages and host it locally ( i want a backend )

is cloudflare the method?

[barren shale]

Yeah

[barren shale]

It’s called cloudflared tunnels

You just need a cloudflare domains

You don’t have to buy the domain on cloydflare you can just use cloudflare to manage your domain which works too

[clear schooner]

how 1980s PC's were made:

[feral bramble]

lol

[clear schooner]

what language do y'all prefer?

im a python guy

[feral bramble]

Anything that gets the job done

[next mantle]

I like Python but I feel like if I learn some others they will supersede it

[opaque ingot]

C#

[amber bobcat]

I’ve Deleted System32

I clicked a folder, deep and gray,
“System32,” it seemed okay.
A friend once joked, “Go on, delete!”
So I thought, “Why not? What a treat!”
The screen went black, the fans did spin,
My PC whispered, “What’s within?”
“Goodbye,” it sighed, with a soft wheeze,
“You’ve unleashed chaos—oh, jeez!”
The mouse froze up, the keyboard too,
Ctrl + Alt + Del? There’s nothing to do!
My desktop vanished, apps went away,
Task Manager just gave up that day.
I grabbed my phone, called tech support,
The guy just laughed, gave this retort:
“Why on Earth would you do that?”
Now your PC’s as dead as a mat!”
So here I sit, a lesson learned,
Respect those folders, don’t get burned.
For System32 isn’t just a name—
It’s the heart of the system’s game!

[barren shale]

chat gpt ahh poem

[next mantle]

It passes the zerogpt checker at a score of 93% which means human, and it doesn’t appear to be a popular copypasta online

But ain’t no way bro wrote this himself

[barren shale]

ai detection is shit most of the times

[next mantle]

Mhm

AI in its current form is ironically too new for the ai’s that check for AI to become accurate

[barren shale]

i've wrote many things for school that i tried ai detection on and it seemed to think its AI

and sometimes AI things dont flag

[next mantle]

Same, I have one that says it’s 95% confident the entire thing is AI generated, but I wrote it myself (a 3000 word paper)

[barren shale]

but it seems to have so many false positives

[next mantle]

Mhm

It looks for common AI mannerisms

However humans sometimes use the same mannerisms

[barren shale]

AI is mimicing humans

so yeah ai detection is not going to work on the long run

[amber bobcat]

Exactly 💯

[knotty root]

guys does scratch count as coding

[static solar]

Yeah

Scratch is coding

[rotund tundra]

Hardest one also

[trim heart]

killing myself i tried making a fs from scratch when

<v86object>.save_state() exists

wtf theres a restore_state function ??/

hell yeah

[high ibex]

devs

[royal dust]

2b || !2b

[feral bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/jussie-smollett-speaking-to-dead-gif-13579415

[edgy flare]

That’s so true

[next mantle]

@hoary hound by module does just that mean a independiion sect of the program that doesn’t interfere with other parts of the bot?

*independant

-# for context on why I keep asking questions is becuase I’m currently trying to work on improving my bot-making skills, and AMP (and by extension its creators) feels like a good example to learn from

[hoary hound]

well yes amp is modularized using discord.py cogs

[next mantle]

Mhm

[wet girder]

What languages do you use for bots?

If you use discord.py cogs are a must

Or well regardless of the language you need to modularize the bot if the scale isn't a tiny bot that does one specific thing

It if a fuckin lifesaver

[barren shale]

C# already modualrizes stuff in ASP.NET and discord.NET copies it

modualrization is the way in these big apps

[lapis flint]

Even not sure what are you talkingh about

Wdym by modularization?

[next mantle]

Just Python atm

[next mantle]

Noted, I’ll look more thoroughly into cogs, currently I only have a somewhat surface level understanding of them, (never have utilised them ,but Ik they exist)

[wet girder]

Like turn functionalities of the application to their own modules that can be manipulated without affecting other modules

[next mantle]

Doesn’t that also have the added benefit of if you encounter a fatal error in some part of the code, assuming it’s not part of the code “core” frame of the bot, you could just deactivate that entire module & the rest of the code would work fine

[lapis flint]

Ah, i thought its something about microservices

[wet girder]

Yeah, we actually did that recently with AMP when starboard had a fatal issue. We just turned it off until we could fix it

[next mantle]

Cool

[remote anvil]

godot is cool\

[barren shale]

it is, but microservices are the next level, instead of modules now you have difference processes (services) that are split from each other

[wet girder]

microservices are tough tho. They need to be extremely well planned before implementation starts to ensure it's not gonna be a distributed monolith

[lapis flint]

Ye

[vast kestrel]

@wet girder what coding language do you recommend for starters

[vast kestrel]

i dont know how to code in godot but it seems like a nice language

[lapis flint]

Better to use c# with godot

[next mantle]

Python is by far the easiest to learn, but it might not be the best

[wet girder]

My recommendation is C# but Python is good as well. Kinda depends what you want to do

[tulip quest]

use Python to learn basic programming concepts and then move onto other stuff

as to what "other stuff" entails, that's what the other guys in the channel can inform you on

my tip is "probably not JavaScript"

[barren shale]

its more about what you want to do

if what you want to do requires a core service that notthing else works without

then its gonna be a monolith weither distributed or not

distributed monolith is not a bad idea too

makes it more resilient for the price of the overhead you get from having multiple services

sb 2 code is a monolith and i built it in a way that makes it easy to break into two pieces

[barren shale]

i think people focus on learning a language and not learning how to program which makes python the easiest option

but if you are learning how to write code the difference between languages shouldnt be big

at my uni they start with C and people seem to be fine with that

if you know how to write code the programming language will not be an issue

[next mantle]

Mhm, the more you practise just writing code in any language the easier and more natural it is to pick up another in a shorter timespan

[barren shale]

yeah because coding was never about the language

[vast kestrel]

ok then

ill try c#

ill move onto html later

[lapis flint]

[tulip quest]

factually incorrect, it's Rust for the picture on the far right, not C++

[barren shale]

ahhh yes html, my favorite programming language

[vast kestrel]

what a coincidence, i just hopped on discord and someone just replied.

[ruby crane]

I wonder where JS falls in this

Probably the padded psych ward room

:P

[feral bramble]

wuh

[vagrant aurora]

only considered difficult by computer science teachers who are actually math teachers filling in a gap americawide

[main stag]

my cs prin teacher isn’t even supposed to be teaching the class they made him lmao

[next mantle]

@hoary hound can you explain to me how bro just sourced the (closed source) kernel of an IOS system

[hoary hound]

I somewhat doubt that's the iOS kernel...

[next mantle]

Same

At least the file extension is correct

[next mantle]

Oh

It actually is, at least a snippet of it

Lots of function calls

Hmm, looking at it closer it seems to be for a simplified emulator

[balmy vector]

Can someone teach me how to code from mobile

[quartz pumice]

use termux

[balmy vector]

It's that an app

[next shell]

where is Cobol located on this

[merry hull]

C++ is the best but anyways

[next mantle]

‘Bout assembly?

[tulip quest]

lower-level languages are not, in fact, suited to the meme

Java and Javascript should be to the left of Rust, and Rust should be the rightmost entry

[merry hull]

nah

12º Degress above 15,392% Pacific Ocean's Declive Surface, behind Saltamar Island in Perú, there is located the Military Base of United States of America, where they try to reach Anti-Matter.

It is most secret and remote place on Earth

Except for Nemo

i was joking

[opaque ingot]

What language u using

[merry hull]

hi guys

i need help at using HBITMAP

so guys

i will make a cheat

soon

for blackjack

i will need help

[merry hull]

#include<iostream>
#include<string>
#include<windows.h>
#include<chrono>
#include<thread>

void ErrorHandle(int s){
    MessageBox(NULL, "Error al ejecutar programa", "Error", MB_ICONERROR|MB_OKCANCEL);
    std::this_thread::sleep_for(std::chrono::seconds(s));
}

LRESULT CALLBACK WindowProc(HWND hwnd, UINT uMsg, WPARAM wParam, LPARAM lParam){
    switch(uMsg){
    case WM_PAINT:{
        PAINTSTRUCT ps;
        HDC handleDC=BeginPaint(hwnd, &ps);
        HPEN hPen=CreatePen(PS_SOLID, 1, RGB(255, 0, 0));
        SelectObject(handleDC, hPen);
        Rectangle(handleDC, 10, 150, 100, 20);
        SetTextColor(handleDC, RGB(0, 0, 0));
        SetBkMode(handleDC, TRANSPARENT);
        TextOut(handleDC, 100, 100, "Testing-1", 17);
        DeleteObject(hPen);
        EndPaint(hwnd, &ps);
        break;
    }
    case WM_DESTROY:
        PostQuitMessage(0);
        break;
    default:
        return DefWindowProc(hwnd, uMsg, wParam, lParam);
    }
}
int WINAPI WinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance, HINSTANCE, LPSTR, int nShowCmd){
    const char* CLASS_NAME="Screen Capture";
    WNDCLASS wc={};
    wc.lpfnWndProc=WindowProc;
    wc.hInstance=hInstance;
    wc.lpszClassName=CLASS_NAME;
    if(!RegisterClass(&wc)){
        std::thread h1(ErrorHandle, 5);
        std::cerr<<"Error";
        return 1;
    }
    HWND hwnd=CreateWindow(CLASS_NAME, "Screen Capture", WS_OVERLAPPEDWINDOW, CW_USEDEFAULT, CW_USEDEFAULT, 500, 500, NULL, NULL, hInstance, NULL);
    ShowWindow(hwnd, nShowCmd);
    MSG msg;
    while(GetMessage(&msg, NULL, 0, 0)){
        DispatchMessage(&msg);
        TranslateMessage(&msg);
    }
    return 0;
}

[shadow crater]

Hi

[feral bramble]

use replit if wanna choose a coding language
pydroid for python
codepen.io if javascript and html
there's rust playground site if wanna do that
https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2021

[balmy vector]

Tryna use one for programming robots and ai and development

And coding

[balmy vector]

Thank you what is a rust playground sit

[feral bramble]

coding in rust

[feral bramble]

python if going for neural network kinda ai then

cause the libraries

[balmy vector]

Thank you 😄

Where would I get started w learning someone's suggested an app I js wanna have back ups

[feral bramble]

pydroid or replit then

[balmy vector]

Okay thank you 😄

[quartz pumice]

on google play store yea

replit is also good

but recently theyve been becoming worse

[balmy vector]

Great I'll down load them now

[balmy vector]

I better learn quick 🥲

[quartz pumice]

I would rather use termux than replit though cuz I can use it offline and get more than 5 gigabytes of storage lol

[feral bramble]

https://github.com/termux/termux-app/releases
oooh

[feral bramble]

heck yeah

[feral bramble]

windows on phone :>

https://github.com/olegos2/mobox

[quartz pumice]

Nice

[opaque ingot]

You dont have laptop?

[balmy vector]

No I do not have laptop or PC

[opaque ingot]

Oh, if you're looking to make some cash with programming i suggest going for web development and find some client in upwork/fiverr imo

[balmy vector]

I plan to invest in a PC in the future and create a robotics company:>>>>>>>>

[opaque ingot]

Well alright good luck(if you give up i'll find you.)

[balmy vector]

I thought it was sweet until I saw the photo 🥲

Welp luckly u don't have to worry abt me giving up :>

[balmy vector]

@feral bramble

???

[feral bramble]

ok so that's rust

that's not how you set a variable or print for that matter

Go look at a rust tutorial...

[balmy vector]

Okay, I've been practicing for python

@feral bramble if it was python would it still be right

[feral bramble]

yeah that's fine in python

why the heck were u trying to run it in rust then???

[balmy vector]

I don't know 🥲 my replit 3 tries ran out n I panicked

[feral bramble]

...

[balmy vector]

YEPPIE :>>>>

[feral bramble]

just use pyrdoid or termux to run ur python ig

[balmy vector]

Is there any free apps for python 🥺

Oh yeahh

2 more questions:>

How do I run this, I press play n it opens tab

How do I run this

[feral bramble]

termux is a linux environment

so have to create a python file

nano test.py

type stuff in

save

then

python3 test.py

to run jt

[balmy vector]

Hmmmm very very hmmmm

[feral bramble]

for the love of god look at some tutorials

also pressing the play button there would just print hello, world!

[feral bramble]

also termux doesn't come installed with python at first

[balmy vector]

IT WORKED

[feral bramble]

-w-

[balmy vector]

I'll js use pyroid, because termux sounds like space language

[feral bramble]

it's just linux console commands

[balmy vector]

Is that like smth we have to search up 🥲 Linux sounds like a mythical animal

[feral bramble]

termux is essentially u have a computer as app

[feral bramble]

Linux is an OS

Windows is an OS

[balmy vector]

Ohhh I am android:>

[feral bramble]

And termux emulates the linux os

you essentially running a linux computer on ur phone through the termux app

[balmy vector]

Dosnt that mean ud have to have computer

[feral bramble]

bruh i just said the termux app runs a linux computer on ur phone effectively

that's called emulation

[balmy vector]

Ohhhhhh

[balmy vector]

That makes more sense

[feral bramble]

aight just stick to using pydroid and go watch some python tutorials ig

or read through w3 schools or some other website that educated about python

[balmy vector]

Python is quite easy to learn

I useee

Mimo

[feral bramble]

ok

[balmy vector]

@feral bramble THANK YOUUUUUUU :>>>>>>>>

Ima be better than Elon musk one day trust :>

[feral bramble]

wut

[feral bramble]

ah

very ambitious

[balmy vector]

What do u plan to do

[balmy vector]

YES >:)

[feral bramble]

whatever makes a living

[balmy vector]

Whatever pays the bills I get that

[quartz pumice]

It doesn't emulate it it gives a shell and gives you a package manager to install tools to your user
Cuz android is linux

[feral bramble]

aight

[feral bramble]

@balmy vector
ok I've been corrected

[balmy vector]

@quartz pumice @quartz pumice what's a package manager

[quartz pumice]

Installs applications for you

[balmy vector]

You tried 🙂

[balmy vector]

In human language terms 🥲

[quartz pumice]

packages being a package (heh) of the application and everything (or a list of what) it needs
Package manager downloads and installs these packages

I think

[balmy vector]

How do u guys know all this what do u work as nasa engineers 🥲

[quartz pumice]

Idk

[feral bramble]

This ain't even close to nasa engineering lvl

[feral bramble]

simple accumulation of knowledge by learning through any accurate source

[balmy vector]

Life is gonna be hard n long I'm ready tho

[balmy vector]

Print("w to death")

[feral bramble]

👌

[balmy vector]

Now sign me up fir working on world box 🥱

Icl

IM JOKING IM JOKJNG ILL DIE

[balmy vector]

@feral bramble get on my lvl

Hehehehe

(Don't hurt me)

[feral bramble]

:

[balmy vector]

Money="£1,000,000"
Print(money)

[feral bramble]

capitalization matters

[balmy vector]

What in the world does that mean I did geography 🥲

[quartz pumice]

https://adventofcode.com/2024/

a bunch of coding problems from easy->difficult if you want to use them to learn or something

[balmy vector]

Thank youuuuu

[balmy vector]

@quartz pumice hey I'm on day 1 I looked throughout it

I chose 27636 67663

2. 3
3. 6
4. 6
5. 6
6. 7

2. 3= 1
3. 6= 3
4. 6= 0
5. 6= 0
6. 7= 0

1+3+0+0+0

=4

So would 4 be my answer @quartz pumice

[quartz pumice]

why did you ask me

also 4 is too small

read it carefully

idk why they made it so confusing to read

[balmy vector]

U seem :<

Smart

[quartz pumice]

Im not

[balmy vector]

Then what am i🥲

[quartz pumice]

smart

[quartz pumice]

if you have a pc you should use it

instead of your phone lol

[balmy vector]

Thank you:>

[balmy vector]

I only have a phone 🥲

[balmy vector]

But I am gonna start saving up for a PC once I get an apprenticeship

[quartz pumice]

nice

[balmy vector]

Ikr 😎

I'm js so cool

[quartz pumice]

fr

[balmy vector]

Fr

[quartz pumice]

also you can run ai locally on your phone with ollama

[balmy vector]

print("when do I learn how run an AI")

[quartz pumice]

I mean all you haved to do is install ollama then it works

its kind of bad with limited resource thing

like it will straightup use a gigabyte of ram just in the background 💀

[balmy vector]

0_0

[quartz pumice]

but if you run out of chatgpt prompts you can download ollama and use it indefinitely

lol

[quartz pumice]

I have 2 😭

[balmy vector]

I will try some day 🥲

[balmy vector]

ONLY 2

[quartz pumice]

ya it keeps warning me but nah

I dont even know whats using all the storage

[balmy vector]

RUGHHT it js increases daily

[quartz pumice]

every update it goes up by a gigabyte lmao

[balmy vector]

I need to save up for a new phone new PC new laptop new laptop new 3d printer audrino starter kit

[balmy vector]

I don't update I got lots of unused but important apps 🥲

I don't update I got lots of unused but important apps 🥲

Why did it send twice

[quartz pumice]

it keeps doing that to me too

some of the servers im in have really strict spam bots and they had to be turned off because discord is being a piece of shit lol

[quartz pumice]

yeah

why is every app like 200 megabytes

[balmy vector]

Right and all they are holding is the bare minimum

[quartz pumice]

yea

shit is crazy

like what do they even have in them

I have a 2d game that uses 200 megabytes of storage and its just 2D point and click

then I have another game with full campaign and shit and its 2 megabytes

[balmy vector]

Some of my apps I downloaded and forgot to go on and they still be having such high mg

ALSO

Yeppie

Started yesterday

Or the day before

[quartz pumice]

whatis that

[balmy vector]

Mimo app it's like the dulingo of coding

[balmy vector]

Nope, currently 61p to my name 🥲

[balmy vector]

Okay I will thank youuuuu :>>>

[balmy vector]

Hmm I wonder why they deleted their message

[next mantle]

Just discovered GDScript

It’s so nice

It just feels like Python but way cleaner, more intuitive, and more responsive

[wet girder]

Not emulation. Termux is essentially just a terminal interface for android which is linux

Ah someone already said that

Sorry for telling the same thing again lol

[wet girder]

Once you're proficient enough in python to know all the basics you should look into for example pytorch which is a library for small scale machine learning, not technically AI but a good step in the right direction. If you're serious about getting into AI you'll need to read a lot of scientific papers because a lot of AI stuff is theoretical and extremely complex

[next mantle]

Along with that stuff, LLM’s often require you to be proficient in thinking in very high dimensions

Which seems to severely stump a lot of people

[balmy vector]

Could you expand on the basic of python how do I know I have the basics down

[balmy vector]

I'm willing to do what it takes

[wet girder]

I'd say if you can see a problem and comfortably feel like you can solve it with python Imo you've got the basics down

[balmy vector]

Rn I'm at

Subject=Fail

Print("")

Forty="40"

Print(f"{forty}% of oats")

Print(2*4)

Thumb=2

Finger=6

Print(thumb + finger)

!=

==

Print("job:"+"work")

@wet girder how far off do u think I am

@wet girder @next mantle you both have my thanks

[feral bramble]

uppercase and lower case matters

if your variable is named Thumb
you have to use Thumb

not thumb

and print is always print
no uppercase P

and you can't just set Subject=Fail
because Fail isn't a defined variable

https://youtu.be/Z1Yd7upQsXY
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBZBJbE_rGRWeh5mIBhD-hhDwSEDxogDg

[balmy vector]

My apologies I have autocorrect and was typing fast

[balmy vector]

Thank you :>>>

[distant wraith]

Sometimes I question myself why did I even learn to code, since I can't seem to finish any projects

Then I remembered that I can make any dumb shit I want for myself

Look at this:

from math import factorial as f

print("".join(map(chr, (
    (((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))*(f(0)+f(0)))**(f(0)+f(0)))*(f(0)+f(0)),
    ((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0))+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0))+f(0),
    ((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)))*(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)+f(0)),
    ((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)))*(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)+f(0)),
    (((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))*(f(0)+f(0)))**(f(0)+f(0))+f(0))*(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)),
    (f(0)+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)+f(0)+f(0)),
    ((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0)+f(0))+f(0)+f(0))*(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)),
    (((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))*(f(0)+f(0)))**(f(0)+f(0))+f(0))*(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)),
    (((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))*(f(0)+f(0)))**(f(0)+f(0))+f(0)+f(0))*(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)),
    ((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)))*(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)+f(0)),
    ((f(0)+f(0)+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0))+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0)),
    (f(0)+f(0))**(f(0)+f(0)+f(0)+f(0)+f(0))+f(0)
))))

Shit, that floods the chat

Whatever

[next mantle]

It’s interesting to look at, just the solid mass of (f(0)+’s

[half warren]

🔨 Banned itsreallykirin indefinitely

[next mantle]

No idea why report command is borked

[spark pollen]

Haha

[quartz pumice]

oh my god

[balmy vector]

HI GUYS it nearly 3am I tried to sleep but It didn't work

SO LEARNED more codes

Well I'll js update u on all I learned

VIA python

I learned

Value Types-bool-true or false, int-numbers, str-"", decimals-decimals(forgot the name)
Input()
Print()
f"hi {name}, what's your name"
Variables car=
Snake cases car_company=
!= check inequalities
== check equalities

= greater than or equal to
=< less than or equal to
/ division

• times(blurred out??)

• minus (blurred out??)

• plus

Certain code that check the value ur using I forgot what's it called

Int() converts strings and decimals to integers

Str() converts integers to strings

Bool() converts string to true or false I THINK

And when used on empty string values bool() changes them to 0 or 1 I think correct me if I'm wrong about bools they lil bit hard to retain at this time

Do you guys have any ideas how I can advance my skills by miles

U can also add strings to gether

Ofc mathematics with integers

Anddd u can use :

Print("jam:" + "peanut butter")

[raw zealot]

e

[feral bramble]

https://www.w3schools.com/python/ref_func_bool.asp

[feral bramble]

watch tutorials -w-

i keep telling you that

and experiment with the learned knowledge

[sullen steeple]

is this true?

[balmy vector]

Okay >_<

Thank you

[feral bramble]

there's no booleans tho?

[wet girder]

doing projects is the best way. If you don't know how to do something tho you should watch how to

[nova vapor]

@feral bramble to not clog up map-discussion too much i figured i'd post it here but heres a fucked up one-liner i wrote for powder toy to render the mandelbrot set:

tpt.all():each(function(p) ox,oy=200,150 sx,sy=100,100 real={-0.7,0.7} imag={0,1} max_iter=50 x0=real[1]+(((p.x-4-ox)/sx)*(real[2]-real[1])) y0=imag[1]+(((p.y-4-oy)/sy)*(imag[2]-imag[1])) x,y=0,0 x2,y2=0,0 iter=0 while (x2+y2 <= 4 and iter<max_iter) do y=2*x*y+y0;x=x2-y2+x0;x2=x*x;y2=y*y; iter=iter+1 end if iter==max_iter then p.type=0 end p.ctype=bit.bor(iter,0x10000000) end)

technically this image is from a later version of it but oh well

[feral bramble]

neat

[nova vapor]

lua doesnt have complex so i had to use the arithmetic version (i just copied it from wikipedia)

[feral bramble]

aight

[nova vapor]

which is fucked btw, even C has complex

oh yeah unrelated, anyone here have experience emulating microcontrollers? i want to try emulating a furby (on a bit of a mad scientist kick) and the original ones apparently use a SunPlus SPC81A (the instruction set is apparently a stripped down version of the 6502's)

unfortunately the datasheet has no info on which instructions it implements

[feral bramble]

Well that's... extremely niche

gl in researching

[nova vapor]

it is

i think i can get away with emulating it in pure py because it only has 128 bytes of user ram

its weird cause they have blocks of unused memory and space just right there

like you could triple the user memory if you just extended it from 0x100 to 0x200

[feral bramble]

who knows why it be that way

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nova vapor]

my only guess is that its some pin limitation, maybe for whatever bizarre reason they only have 7 pins to access the memory lol

not to mention the 16kb thats just sitting unused literally right between the two rom banks

[uncut frigate]

What is this place

[wet girder]

The coders cave. The place where the coders talk when there's something to talk about

[uncut frigate]

Its... empty here......

[wet girder]

Scroll up bro. There's a lot of stuff in this channel, just not every day because the topic in this channel is not braindead

[uncut frigate]

Ik
I'm just not used to Channels like this

[knotty root]

@scenic geyser are you available actually

[half hedge]

Bi

Oh 💔

[knotty root]

Hi read the clan they tried making

[half hedge]

Hmmmmm

@quaint badge okay well don't do that

[quaint badge]

whatya mean :3

[feral bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-kirby-no-terminal-montage-slap-kirby-slap-gif-25036841

...

[half hedge]

You know exactly what I mean

Could you stop

[knotty root]

What did they say

[half hedge]

Stuff

[merry hull]

anyone that performs c++ please?

[tulip quest]

#⌨coders-cave message

[lapis flint]

What if they just want someone to perform c++, without need to ask anything?

[tulip quest]

In that case just ask for someone to perform C++. Still a case of "don't ask to ask, just ask".

[lapis flint]

True

[radiant zealot]

Yippee

[next mantle]

See when it breaks with the next patch it’s your problem not theirs

[onyx plinth]

I joined this coders cave :3

[next mantle]

Welcome to Paridise

Or hell

[onyx plinth]

I started learning coding

[next mantle]

Whichever one you make it to be

[valid ore]

how to start make a worldbox mod??

[opaque ingot]

Learn how to code

[valid ore]

i did

[opaque ingot]

Fuk

Imeant

C#

[valid ore]

alr

[valid thicket]

$sudo heck crabzilla

[lapis flint]

[native pasture]

Hi

[lapis flint]

Hi

[barren shale]

@orchid frigate you are supposedly dead because of assembly, please do not react to my messages

[pure cradle]

[next mantle]

Gonna program roller coaster tycoon 3 in assembly rq

[static solar]

The true Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 is in our hearts

❤️

[slender pond]

c# is a pookie

not too hard

but not too useless for game design

like python

tho with py u can make mean virtual novels

[static solar]

Renpy

https://tenor.com/view/cat-osu-greece-greek-cat-osu-cat-greek-gif-2694212203346871017

[feral bramble]

Just do that with any coding language?

[slender pond]

you dont have Renpy

for other programming languages

[valid ore]

it is a bit hard

[knotty root]

Hello

I want to know the best engine to make an evolution sim in

It would be tile-based and 2d

[feral bramble]

Well just do whatever it takes to make a virtual novel game in that coding language then?

[slender pond]

javacript and json were my first coding languages

[next mantle]

If you want simplicity of workflow jsut use godot & GDscript / C#

[lapis flint]

Pixilang?

Check it

One guy makes celluar life simulations using it

[barren shale]

The best way would be to build it in as a shader because this allows you to run it very very fast

and you can use unity to render the shader or anything else

[rancid shore]

<h1>Hello World!</h1>

[wicked spindle]

Isn’t that just SimEarth

[ancient thistle]

interesting

[rancid shore]

Tbh every programmer know Hello World!

[opal sun]

agreed except for people that use brainfuck (yes thats an actual proggraming language search it up) it usualy takes them until month 3 to learn it

[covert sluice]

according to wikipedia this is how you add 2 +7 using the language (also i added hashtags to make the comments stand out a bit more

> +++++  #Cell c1 = 5

[        #Start your loops with your cell pointer on the loop counter (c1 in our case)
< +      #Add 1 to c0
> -      #Subtract 1 from c1
]        #End your loops with the cell pointer on the loop counter

#At this point our program has added 5 to 2 leaving 7 in c0 and 0 in c1
but we cannot output this value to the terminal since it is not ASCII encoded

#To display the ASCII character "7" we must add 48 to the value 7
We use a loop to compute 48 = 6 * 8

++++ ++++  #c1 = 8 and this will be our loop counter again
[
< +++ +++  #Add 6 to c0
> -        #Subtract 1 from c1
]
< .        #Print out c0 which has the value 55 which translates to "7"!```

apparently this is how you write hello world:

++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++.

thats crazy

[feral bramble]

that's just one way

Don't have to do loops

[covert sluice]

i was getting this off wikipedia, but maybe i'll give it a shot at trying to figure it out

[feral bramble]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.

this also outputs
Hello World!

[next mantle]

I forgot brainfuck is Turing complete right?

Iirc you require the loop symbols though

[feral bramble]

it is

[proven scarab]

Hello

[barren shale]

i made a brainfuck compiler

like years ago

[barren shale]

https://pastebin.com/m7nhKuBN

here's code if anyone want to look

[feral bramble]

👍

[opal sun]

that's the reason why I swore off using the language for anything except for trolling my profs, higher-ups and friends

[opal sun]

...I could have used that for so many fucking occasions it's not even funny

[median turret]

Error

[tulip quest]

why is it that this channel in particular has so many people pop in, say something "relevant" and then leave?

relevant as in "ooh, I heard that a certain term was used in programming once! Let me share my knowledge!"

I haven't got a grudge against any particular instance but it's a little sad to check what's been said here overnight and it's a rankless guy saying "hello world" and leaving it at that

wait nvm I don't help the cause much by saying this lol, let me find a project to discuss

[prisma grail]

I mean, it's kinda strong phrasing to just entirely blame the person who said the message like that. They might've been expecting their statement to start an actual conversation, but no one replied since a channel with this level of activity requires an immediate strong topical hook to start any kind of relevant discussion.

[tulip quest]

not blaming anyone in particular, just pointing out how it's a little disappointing opening the channel to one message along those lines

[prisma grail]

"the person" was generalised as in "whatever person is saying the kind of message you mean".

[tulip quest]

While I went on a bit of a hiatus with this project (partly laziness, partly circumstance), I've updated it to settle a little differently. Ideally it would settle completely flat, but I cannot seem to achieve both quick settling of large quantities and a lack of flickering in the liquid. I've decided to prioritize the latter.

bruh

sent that message so long ago and it finally pops up, didn't mean to be disrespectful

[tulip quest]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, maybe I'm being a little dense but idk

[prisma grail]

Idk. Tbh, it's 1AM for me rn, and I should be sleeping, especially because I'll need to wake up fairly early in a few hours. xD

[tulip quest]

yeah, I'm recovering from an ear infection and I'm not exactly thinking well either haha

I was thinking of asking if I should delete and resend the message with the media attachment to put it in an easier spot for direct reply, but it's already right there. Not exactly seeing stuff clearly right now!

[rigid wren]

how do i run a high graphic interface with being ddossed

[still bramble]

Okay but chef is also a bad language

[azure cipher]

I don’t know how to code not even say hello world

Tell me how

[barren shale]

No it’s a secret

[azure cipher]

Awwww

[knotty root]

@sullen steeple fatass

[opal sun]

ok dont even get me started with chef

like how the hell are we supposed to make a simple sentance, let alone ANY type of coding,!?!?!?!!

[tulip quest]

I respect the beef

[alpine cape]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585547820228935702/1052507041937244240/pig.gif

[opal sun]

"brother may I have the oats?" Looking ahh image

[feral bramble]

that's the point of an esolang? doing stuff in weird ways no matter how hard it makes it to code

https://esolangpark.vercel.app/ide/chef
ohhh i get how it works now

https://github.com/nilaymaj/esolang-park/blob/main/languages/chef/README.md

this is pain

[static isle]

stinky out here

[west whale]

For a second i thought it said coders cafe

[exotic bronze]

does anyone know how to write lua?

[rancid shore]

What does <a href do?

[feral bramble]

that's incomplete html
https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_href.asp

[tulip quest]

w3schools is so good, I particularly love how it doesn't really matter if you have it saved or not, you just jump in where relevant

[cosmic leaf]

Links, webs linking etc

[ornate pine]

#🤡memes message

Vote purple

[tulip quest]

completely irrelevant to the channel, garner support only in general and memes

[deep peak]

javascript

[royal river]

It’s to add a hyperlink to your website you add the link by doing <a href=“Insert link”>(What ever you say here will become the hyperlink text)</a>

[snow rampart]

Can y'all help me

[ornate pine]

It’s very relevant I promise

[barren copper]

print ("hello, world")

[halcyon stratus]

I’m cooked for my dual class their gonna make us take Java and adv Java as separate courses at the same time, how do I manage this since I don’t know any Java

[gleaming pike]

Tutorial on how to make a background remover in Python

Step 1: import background remover

[tulip quest]

Are they going to teach you Java? It sounds like it to me

[halcyon stratus]

Yes however their courses are made by people who have no idea on how to program, the professors also give a hard time last semester they called a classmates code “witchcraft” in a mean way like they were cheating

We barely passed last year on the very last day as the professor also takes weeks to grade

Not exaggerating

[tulip quest]

Well, my advice for managing it is to do research on what you need outside of class. Is this in a high school context?

[quartz pumice]

ap collegeboard seeing this: "omg I should take inspiration"

[halcyon stratus]

Yes, ty for the advice

[amber gorge]

How to be a programmer

[feral bramble]

Come up with a project ya want to do with code

Go about learning all the thing necessary to do it

tho would recommend starting with simple stuff and then getting more ambitious so get used to coding

Can just look up tutorial or how to for the coding language to learn it

[tacit pier]

Or you can go, ai give me the code or steal other people's work to make your code work better

[tulip quest]

Only the latter is a good idea. AI code is soo much harder to bugfix and if blindly implemented teaches you nothing. On the other hand, other people's code works right off the bat and as long as it's in the public domain it's free to use

[feral bramble]

Ai code is good for quickly getting simple framework of stuff done / an idea

but still have to know how to code to fix any mistakes the made

[sand grail]

ai code is very very

bare bones

unless your like extremely good at english

and can be very precise

what ai is very good for though is helping you solve problems with your code @tacit pier

asking it questions if your unsure if things will work or for helping debug code

great tool

[summer socket]

<cheese>

[next mantle]

AI on its way to show me the most convoluted jank solution in existence using a random obscure library that hasn’t been updated since 2011:

[amber gorge]

Idk what to do with code. Could you give me some topics, please?

[restive horizon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1216860889169531042/1217384887758229545/ezgif.com-gif-maker_1.gif

[feral bramble]

simple games like minesweeper
tic tac toe
hangman

[foggy wren]

Guys what can I really do with pygame

[feral bramble]

doom like
https://youtu.be/By_cbsacvTM?si=bIPT4T0ZOA2_PO51

[foggy wren]

Ok

Thx

[halcyon stratus]

my code not working as expected i believe it has to do with these lines if (d1.hasAsc) {
System.out.print("How many assesories? ");
scan.nextInt();
d1.asc = new String[d1.ascA];

        for (int i = 0; i < d1.ascA; i++) {
            System.out.print("What is assesory number " + i + " ? ");
            d1.asc[i] = scan.nextLine();

        } because thats where it stops working, but i have not figured yet

when i enter a number of assesories it just does not run the for loop

[prisma grail]

It seems to me like you're calling scan.nextInt(); without storing the value that's scanned anywhere.

[barren shale]

Ja🤮va

[halcyon stratus]

Yea I already figured it out ty anyways though

[prisma grail]

You're welcome!

[barren shale]

why do i get clan invites everyday

fix pls

oh shit there's a fix already for it

[prisma grail]

I mean, those invites can only be sent out by humans.

[prisma grail]

You could stop it by disabling DMs or blocking AMP.

[barren shale]

im smort bruh

[prisma grail]

Or I could block you from the clans system if it's not something you care for.

[barren shale]

block pls

[prisma grail]

Next level screenshotting.

[barren shale]

ShareX

[prisma grail]

As in I should block you?

From clans?

[barren shale]

yes

you can block me from your discord too if you want to

[prisma grail]

I don't plan on doing that. xD

[barren shale]

kewl

[prisma grail]

You should be safe from any invites now!

[barren shale]

thanks

[prisma grail]

You're welcome!

[barren shale]

i fixed this in sb by debuffing people who try to do stuff on me

you should consider

very effective

[prisma grail]

Calm down...
I'm sure a conversion to C# at some point is inevitable...

[barren shale]

Java to C# is pretty ez

I regret using C# for sb tbh

[prisma grail]

Cloud once tried to stop people from pinging him directly about AMP bugs by making AMP send a GIF and time them out for it.

[barren shale]

i think more modern languages wouldve been better

Zig is soooo hot

Zig is the language I tell C# to not worry about

[prisma grail]

He ended up having to remove that logic again because it caused people to find him even more to see the effect.

[barren shale]

They just gotta fix their package management

[barren shale]

[prisma grail]

Did they exist when you started work on the project...?

[barren shale]

plan failed successfully

[barren shale]

they did but i was mega noob skill issued programmer

[prisma grail]

The plan didn't account for the #🌎general hivemind properly.

[barren shale]

if i at least went for Go

[barren shale]

i only touch general once a month to be reminded why i dont go there

#⌨coders-cave supremacy

[prisma grail]

100% understandable, I almost only enter that channel when I'm actively pinged by someone else. xD

[prisma grail]

[barren shale]

@prisma grail SB1 bot is going off sometime soon maybe so you will be able to use _ at the start again

[prisma grail]

Will the bot account remain on the server?

[barren shale]

hmmm im thinking of using the same account

[prisma grail]

(Asking since its currently used for an authentication system in NML.)

[barren shale]

wait what

[prisma grail]

...?

Don't you know...?

[barren shale]

what do you mean

no i dont

[prisma grail]

I'm 99% sure Jupe asked you about that an eternity ago.

[barren shale]

i dont remember what i ate yesterday

how does the authentication system work?

is there like a command from the bot or...?

[prisma grail]

It uses the SB bot account to check the roles of a user based on their ID when they try to upload a mod to the Steam Workshop using NML.

To see if the user has the modder role on this server.

[barren shale]

oh okay so it just needs the bot account in the server

[prisma grail]

I'm asking whether the bot account is going or you're regenerating the token because if yes, I'll need to switch it over to leeching off of AMP instead.

[barren shale]

i regenerated the token a very long time ago

👀

[prisma grail]

I mean, auth still works, so that must've been before we added the auth.

[barren shale]

actually i think nikon did and tthen he gave it to me so he might've changed it for the auth

but i think it would be a safer bet to leech of AMP

for the future

because one ttime i bugged SB and it got locked and we had to regenerate the token

because it kept crashing on start and restarting and logging in to the discord API

[prisma grail]

All I know is that I got the token from Jupe back when I didn't have access to the AMP token.

[barren shale]

i mean im going to reuse the same bot account since nikon gave me ownership

but just for safety i would recommend using AMP or something specific for it

[prisma grail]

So it's a core component of NML running on AMPs VPS using SBs token.

Is that what they mean when talking about distributed systems?

[barren shale]

this is not very distributed but sure

[prisma grail]

Definitely makes sense since I nowadays actually have access to AMP.

[barren shale]

do you use databases in AMP?

[prisma grail]

I wasn't being very serious, meant it more as a joke because of the ridiculous combo of factors. xD

[barren shale]

[prisma grail]

Some parts use that one SQL DB I forgot the name of that's a local file DB.

Some parts use Firebase.

Some parts use local JSON files.

[barren shale]

Well then AMP is a distributed system

ez

[barren shale]

sqlite

[prisma grail]

It's basically a random mess vaguely reflecting the mood swings of me+cloud+Jupe while coding over the last few years.

[prisma grail]

Yeah, that. xD

[barren shale]

that's how all code is

The amount of code in SB2 that I replaced in the last two weeks is like 20%