⌨coders-cave

[quartz pumice]

Appl🤮

[swift sand]

https://tenor.com/view/when-the-coding-when-the-coding-when-the-coding-is-when-the-meme-gif-21749595

[rose pawn]

38th time this gif has been here

[queen zodiac]

Only?

[narrow light]

Master coder nekcrop here says thats how coding be

[vagrant pond]

can someone explain why this doesn't work

var human = AssetManager.traits.get("unit_human");
human.traits.get("giant");
human.traits.get("slow");

[mystic bramble]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aAgiBilNcTIqqEOZIiW6aqQjSl8OzqkpXSngX0A36y0/https/media.tenor.com/hmDMrE1yMAkAAAPo/when-the-coding-when-the.mp4

[wet girder]

Heya, you should ask in #🔧modding-talk . They know better there

[lapis flint]

What do you actually want to do?
Because here you getting not existing trait unit_human, and then by some reason trying to get from that trait traits giant and slow

[vagrant pond]

thanks Jupe

[lapis flint]

🫠

[knotty root]

Hello

[north dune]

lol i didnt notice the getting from trait

when he asked in the other channel, oops

[lapis flint]

He fixed it when asked in #🔧modding-talk

[hard lily]

Enlighten me coders and show me the most complex coding in this game

[distant wraith]

A little fun

from typing import Iterable
from einspect import impl


@impl(object)
def join(self, string: str = "") -> str:
    if isinstance(self, Iterable):
        return string.join(map(str, self))

    raise TypeError("No")


print(range(10).join())
print((i**4 for i in range(10)).join(" | "))
print(("a", "m", "o", "g", "u", "s").join())

[frosty jackal]

the game is filled with a lot of confusing code

some path finding is pretty complex

even just finding what tile your mouse is hovering over...

[hollow bronze]

decompiled code is piss

[narrow light]

Im very good at coding

And I agree with statement

[umbral imp]

df

[icy owl]

what programing language worldbox uses?

for mods

[prisma grail]

C#. Also, this channel isn't WorldBox specific, questions about modding the game fit better in #🔧modding-talk .

[barren shale]

wanna do another quick test of my survey thingie

if you are free

[prisma grail]

Sure!

[barren shale]

but its only desktop rn

havent made the UI responsive

ah fok it failed to build

give me a sec

fok

one sec

[prisma grail]

xD

[barren shale]

here

but you have to sign up

you can use random info

i probably shouldve dmed you the link but itz what itz

[prisma grail]

I apparently have some account there but can't remember the password.

[barren shale]

its probably been deleted

i wiped the db a couple of times

[prisma grail]

(Also, dear god, which one of their designers thought that it's a good idea to just have NOTHING happen if you enter an incorrect password.)

[barren shale]

it was working before

[prisma grail]

Ohh, wait, that account system is from your site?

[barren shale]

yeah

for now just go straight to the editor

nothing on the dashboard really works

[prisma grail]

Ah, I see. Last time, I thought that was from vercel. xD

[barren shale]

nah vercel doesnt have that

[prisma grail]

I'm no expert with creating surveys, but how come that specifically header 2 forcefully has a thin grey line under it?

[barren shale]

typography shit

ill probably make it an option

[prisma grail]

IwI

I just randomly tried the "Date Range" option, and idk if this is just me being weird/stupid, but when I first looked at the UI, I intuitively assumed that the left/right parts were separate, one for selecting the start date, and one for selecting the end date.

[barren shale]

not necessarly

but apparently that's how its done

you can select both the start and end in one part

this is not my design choice this is just a standard

[prisma grail]

Ah, curious.

[prisma grail]

Btw, with the jumps between questions, how do I make a jump that always applies?

[barren shale]

[prisma grail]

Because unless I'm blind, there's only ones that are conditional in some way.

[barren shale]

why would you want to do that

the default option is to jump to the next question

so if you always want it to jump to a question just put the question after it

[prisma grail]

Ahhh, makes sense.

[barren shale]

conditional jumps are for branching

like specific answers allow you to skip questions and stuff like that

[prisma grail]

Yeah, makes sense now, I assumed that they're the only way to specifiy the next question.

[barren shale]

also check the settings

there are lots of customization settings

[prisma grail]

Hmm, neat.

I like how I can just pick one primary color, and the rest is done for me. Result is probably better than anything I could make.

One minor inconvenience I'm noticing is how sensitive the drag functionality for the questions is.

[barren shale]

yeah i just noticed its laggy

is that what you mean?

[prisma grail]

At least with my Macbook trackpad, when I do some REALLY minor drag on accident when just trying to press on a question, it instead tries to drag it.

Like, I'm talking so minor that I can barely see any cursor movement.

[barren shale]

oh you mean the dragging of questions

yeah it has no threshold i should add that

it starts dragging the moment you move your mouse

makes it hard on trackpads

[prisma grail]

Yeah, I figured, causes a lot of false positives for me.

@barren shale I noticed that with Checkbox/Choice options, there seems to be no way to decide the order of options.

[barren shale]

yeah its alphabatical

probably need to do something like the questions

[prisma grail]

On a jump, how do I select the question it should jump to?

[barren shale]

the question has to be after the question you are jumping from

there's a field with the Jump To label

i gotta go get a haircut

ill be back in like an hour

[prisma grail]

It's not giving me any options, the question I'm on is the first one in the survey, I got two options after it.

[young flume]

i though this is PowerPoint at first

[prisma grail]

Also, does that means that there's no way to skip to the end of the survey altogether?

[prisma grail]

Ok!

[prisma grail]

IwI

[barren shale]

Because you don’t have any questions after the question you want to jump from

You can’t jump to previous questions

[prisma grail]

I do though?

[barren shale]

Hmmmm

Maybe I fucked it up and didn’t notice

[prisma grail]

"Choice Question" is where I'm trying to make the jump.

If it helps, I created "Choice Question" last, and then moved it on top retroactively.

[barren shale]

Try with the other questions

[prisma grail]

"Email Question" lets me jump to "Date Question".

[barren shale]

Ahhh then I fucked up the code that updates what you can jump to after you move a question

[prisma grail]

Date question shows a "No questions found" label.

[prisma grail]

While this one just doesn't show anything.

[barren shale]

It probably updated the date question but didn’t update the choice one

[prisma grail]

Seems so.

I moved choice question back down.

Moved the other two below it instead of moving it back up.

It now lets me jump to both.

[barren shale]

Hmmm

That will be hard to debug

[prisma grail]

My guess is that the other questions are being informed about the new location, but not the question that's being moved.

[barren shale]

The real question is

Would you pay for this

[wet girder]

You're gonna have a hard time selling a survey program. So many exist already and most are free

[barren shale]

I have many ideas

[prisma grail]

Obviously, it'd need to be bug free. Apart from that, I can hardly judge since I don't even fall into the target audience.

[barren shale]

I guess

But the market is there and it is very big

So with good marketing I think I can make it grow

[wet girder]

You gotta make it either very convenient to use compared to other software or add something others don't have

[barren shale]

Yeah I’m focusing on ease of use

The others seem to be janky right now

[wet girder]

very conveniont would include like power bi integration etc. because those are not a common thing

[barren shale]

What is power bi

[wet girder]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/power-platform/products/power-bi

bussinesses love it

idk why

[barren shale]

Hmmm

Will work something out after release

Release probably will only have an option to export data as a csv file

[wet girder]

Yeah it ain't top priority feature but it will be a deal maker for a subsantial part of the customer base

[barren shale]

The plan is to offer it at a big discounted rate to influencers that are using other tools

[prisma grail]

Fr, first time I heard of it was already when I was like 12 and happened to listen to a meeting my mother was having from home.

[wet girder]

At least in Finnish market that's how it goes, I am not too familiar with global market for data software

[barren shale]

There are some more plans too

[wet girder]

Yeah it's stupid how popular it is

[prisma grail]

I think it's a far more global thing than just Finland.

[wet girder]

This is the bare minimum but I'd mentally prepare for needing to integrate the weirdest data export solutions to it

[prisma grail]

I think if companies are the target, it'd also be important to have QoL that makes it convenient to mass produce/template surveys.

[barren shale]

Yeah will do after first couple of customers

Won’t spend a lot of work on it if it won’t work out

[barren shale]

Yup there will be templates too later on

And it’s already built for making surveys that look good really quick

That’s the main point

[prisma grail]

Yeah, noticeable.

[wet girder]

Btw do you have like any customers/customer groups in mind at the moment?

[barren shale]

it will be sold in one-time payment packages instead of subscriptions which is what everyone else uses, and there will be packages for everyone

so there isnt a specific target

but with marketing ill be aiming for smaller targets since i wont have all the big integrations and stuff at the start

and then if it works out and starts making money ill probably be able to hire some marketers and do some real marketing

or learn it and do it alone

[vagrant aurora]

I have a silly idea for a 2d platformer
anyone have any engine or language suggestions for this? 👀

[barren shale]

did discord change their font again or am i going crazy

[distant wraith]

They just keep making it worse and worse

I just refuse to update the app to save my sanity at this point

[barren shale]

IM NOT GOING CRAZY WOOOOO

but yeah looks kinda trash ngl

[prisma grail]

How can y'all tell some unannounced font change like that? I didn't notice at all.

[barren shale]

i go crazy

crazy? i was crazy once

[jolly field]

They locked me in a room

[narrow light]

I still dont notice

[frigid cairn]

I’m addicted to that genre of videos where it’s just programmers over the years going fucking insane as expressed through source code comments

Like one of the source code programmers for Apollo 10, on the code for liftoff, wrote “we’re off to see the wizard!” as a comment

Absolute legend

[frigid cairn]

C# in unity, though its reputation has taken a hit. If you don’t want to use unity, GMS2 is easy to pick up and uses an easy to learn proprietary language, but is limited feature wise.

[vagrant aurora]

alr

ill give both of those a short try and see what works better for me when I get the chance

[orchid frigate]

2d platformers are so simple you might aswell just use a very basic renderer and no game engine

if you do it right its best performance and bug wise

[barren shale]

yeah physics wise

there's still animations

particles

and other stuff in a game

[vagrant aurora]

[vagrant aurora]

physics wise I do actually need something complicated unfortunitly 😔
the idea is slamming a longsword around to launch yourself places in order to increase momentum which in turn increases slashing power to mow down enemies. Being somewhat easy to learn the basics of using the longsword to increase movement speed but being difficult to use the movement mechanics to full potentiol ☝️
(in other words: getting over it mixxed with sonic but with a silly sword)

[barren shale]

well you are going to have to write that logic yourself anyway

[vagrant aurora]

[barren shale]

engines have mostly simple realistic physics

[vagrant aurora]

alr

so it doesnt really matter then ig

[barren shale]

it does

[vagrant aurora]

so what should I use

[wet girder]

You'll have to code that yourself regardless of what engine you use

[vagrant aurora]

[vagrant aurora]

alr

[barren shale]

to be honest for a 2d platformer i'd do GMS2

[wet girder]

Game engine built in physics are usually not good

[barren shale]

but it doesnt really matter much

[vagrant aurora]

ill give that an attempt
thanks chat

[barren shale]

just dont over do it

[static solar]

Do MonoGame

Build your own framework

Code your own physics

Work from the ground up

Use trigonometry to code basic movements

LIVE

[frigid cairn]

TRUE

MAKE YOUR OWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE

INVENT A NEW COMPUTER

DESIGN AN OPERATING SYSTEM

MANUFACTURE YOUR OWN CPU

[narrow light]

Program a programming language

[knotty root]

Can I get a check on this?

“Wood = 1
Stone, Copper = 10
Bronze = 15 (Same as Plague Doctor Staff)
Silver = 20
Iron = 30
Steel = 40
Myrthil = 50 (Same as all other special weapons such as Flame Sword)
Adamantine = 70”

[knotty root]

When I checked the code it says special weapons are “base” not “mythril”

I think whoever made that list was capping

[hardy field]

Getting over it: murder edition

[barren shale]

@north dune

[quartz pumice]

at this rate just use opengl directly 🗿

[quartz pumice]

naw we gotta call upon every cody

[brave terrace]

Wait

I never saw my good friend Cody after 5th grade

😳

[north dune]

i dropped out and became a hermit, pretty accurate

[gaunt coyote]

Did someone say Cody? 👀

[barren shale]

didnt get executed though (yet)

[tender hedge]

Program a programming language

[edgy matrix]

Uh oh

[quartz pumice]

ez

I made one in python a long time ago

https://replit.com/@WellSilver/disclang2?v=1#src/main.dss

now that im looking at it its kinda actually good

well its not good it compiles to python but its pretty cool for a 12 year old

[wet girder]

I've been using WPF at work every day for a month now and I am starting to slowly like WPF. You just gotta understand the shenanigans and it's actually kinda enjoyable to write UIs using WPF

[quartz pumice]

no way

[onyx ginkgo]

Summoning demons I see (jk)

[onyx ginkgo]

I really dodged a major bullet in the server

[quartz pumice]

What you dodge

[onyx ginkgo]

Accidentally posted an image

[quartz pumice]

Oh lol

[lapis flint]

Nothing changes

[half warren]

User reported to the proper authorities!

[knotty root]

@steep shard use #🤖bot-commands

[tall kelp]

~definetraits

[quartz pumice]

Naw

[lapis flint]

🫠

[mossy roost]

Hey me and my friends are making a game and I was if you could suggest a software?

[young flume]

#🔁map-conversion

[humble wasp]

@wet girder what's ur opinion on scratch the website

[wet girder]

The visual coding thing?

[humble wasp]

no

the website where you make games using those coding blocks and it's made for 10 year olds

[wet girder]

so the visual coding thing. I learned basic programming things with it so it's good for kids Imo

[knotty root]

Nuclear fallout

[static solar]

A 17 year old friend of mine still uses it 😭

[feral bramble]

People have coded stuff to code in scratch for whatever reason to make 3d games en such.

Thing is won't even run well most of the time unless on another site specifically meant to make scratch games run faster lol

[wet girder]

Ngl hardest part of coding is thinking of names for variables and classes and writing good comments and commit messages

like damn I've been writing 1 variable name and 1 comment for like 15 minutes now

this shit hard

[next lotus]

Unity

download unity then vscode, if you have nasa pc visual studio 2022

if you're rich buy dotnet rider

[wet girder]

Imo do not bother with vscode if possible. Visual studio will be much better if you're on windows and don't have a pc from 2003. If you're on mac or linux dotnet rider is the best choice but vscode will do but it's not really a full blown IDE so it won't have as much helpful tools

Also I'd consider Godot instead of unity or UE5 if you're tryna make a high fidelity 3D game

Unity is really good tho for most indie applications so it should server you well

[static solar]

Rider is free for students btw

[barren shale]

rider is not very expensive

its around $10 a month

i guess that depends on where you live

but its worht it

[next lotus]

its made in.....

🤮 java 🤮

i just collapsed on the ground mentioning that

[quartz pumice]

Java (if you like to pretend your program runs fast)

[barren shale]

for normal apps if your app is slow then you have bad code

it is not about language choice

and its technically easier to write cleaner code with languages like C# and Java

so C# and Java are faster than C/C++ 😎

[quartz pumice]

Ok

[vocal turret]

[prisma grail]

_Head over to #🔬bot-base , it seems we've got an AMP rewrite to do! _

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-shocked-surprised-ohno-kermit-gif-8790818

[quartz pumice]

lmao

[quartz pumice]

Git-chan

[prisma grail]

I see you're combining my favorite way to shut down my braincells with my favorite way to kill them off from strain above what they can handle.

[quartz pumice]

yes

[prisma grail]

Btw, where do you have that from? Googles reverse image search is doing a horribly job at tracking it down. xD

[quartz pumice]

It's an AI image from when stable diffusion was new

I gave it paper chan, the girl in my pfp and told it to recreate her

[prisma grail]

Ah, I see. Was hoping for a sec to find more of it. xD

[quartz pumice]

I do have more of it

But I can't find it

[prisma grail]

[quartz pumice]

Bruh I waved at someone with the same hand my phone was in and they saw that 💀

[prisma grail]

My day would've ended better without that thought, as I just realized that similar logic can be applied to the last 6 months of me listening to stuff like vocaloid music on train rides, where I always had my phone screen clearly visible to nearby people.

[rose pawn]

;-;

I'm dead

[quartz pumice]

Well I mean vocaloid music is just listening to foreign music

Everyone's fine with that

Will even listen to it too if they like it, miku's name has some power to it

[prisma grail]

I mean, it's less about the actual music and more about some of the covers or music video contents, I'd think. xD

[quartz pumice]

Lol

[prisma grail]

I think the main weird part for me rn is that that thought never once crossed my mind in all that time.

[quartz pumice]

It's foreign music

People will listen to far worse than rabbit hole

[prisma grail]

Fair. Also doesn't matter either way if someone doesn't specifically check lyrics.

[quartz pumice]

Turn off subtitles

[prisma grail]

I think people would be more confused if they e.g. heard one of the Kikuo songs I like.

[quartz pumice]

The translation is usually bad anyways lol

[quartz pumice]

Bro kikuo just sounds like classic music

I don't think it even sounds Japanese it's just classical but more pop-like

[prisma grail]

I never had that thought cross my mind, at least the stuff I can think of from e.g. Bethoven sounds very different from e.g. Hole-dwelling.

[rose pawn]

@quartz pumice keep it up nice man

@prisma grail u go girl

kudos to our best you gals

[quartz pumice]

Huh?!

[hard lily]

Utter respect to all of u coders

[wet girder]

I hate clickonce deployments. If you can ever avoid them, do

they're so bad

[quartz pumice]

Thank God I rarely do web server

[spare mirage]

oooof

[late relic]

Does anybody know the mod that shows the borders of the kingdoms so i can see where they expand

[distant wraith]

There's already a built-in feature that does exactly that

And this channel is not for WorldBox stuff

[barren shale]

this is half ping

you cant calculate full ping on discord

these bots are stoopid x)

[quartz pumice]

pycord.ping meanwhile

[spare mirage]

fr

[knotty root]

@burnt marsh

[distant wraith]

StarChat 2 is actually good

I was a little surprised when it tells me that I need to break in each case in JS (for some damn reason that made me lose my mind), while Claude 3 was speaking nonsense

[static solar]

Claude 3 is overhyped

To be honest

[distant wraith]

It is good for more general and generic questions

It is (probably?) not fair to compare a general model to a model specifically made for coding

[distant wraith]

Anyway, I also heard that they already censored it a bit. So the roleplaying people are less than impressed with the model anymore

I got a little idea from this: train some small specialist models and have a central model that decides what model to use for the user's request. That'd probably be better than some variant, if not all, of Claude 3. Don't know about cost efficiency, though :P

[barren shale]

i think this idea has been tested cuz ive had it too and i read about it

it seems like a lot of people have had this idea

and it doesnt seem as good as it sounds

[distant wraith]

Shame, it sounded really good

[barren shale]

yeah it does sound good

maybe small models are not efficient enough

[rose pawn]

@barren shale @barren shale

@barren shale @barren shale @barren shale @barren shale @barren shale

HAMAZAAA

HAZMAAZAAAAA

HAAAAAAAASAAAAMZZZZZZAAAAAAA

[barren shale]

what

[rose pawn]

HAAAAAAMZA

how ar eu

yu

[barren shale]

im good

[copper fjord]

.

[narrow light]

any of yall know how to code some bitches the people in this server are deeply in need of some bitches

[prisma grail]

[barren shale]

"I'm from UK" is something someone who isn't from the uk would say

[wet girder]

fr

I've never heard anyone from the UK say they're from the UK

they always say which part of the UK

[rocky elm]

Actually true, it’s probably just an American trying to look like he knows a language in general

[barren shale]

or just say british

i have lots of british friends

they barely say "UK" in any context

[patent saffron]

English.

Their English.

[flat valley]

hes cooked

anybody here have any good ideas for something to tell a guy I know in my class who is thinking of going into a computer science because "you can make good money" despite not knowing anything about computers to discourage him from ruining his life

[wet girder]

Everyone who do IT just for the money are not gonna succeed

I've seen it happen multiple times

If you have no passion no one will hire you

[wet girder]

despite not knowing anything about computers
This point I don't really get tho. You don't need to know shit about computers when you start learning as long as you have genuine interest

[flat valley]

maybe its different elsewhere, but I haven't heard the best things about US universities when it comes to teaching computer science. Lot of it is self study or just really hard, which you would for sure need a crap ton of genuine interest for (which the guy does not seem to have).

[wet girder]

Oh yeah IT is mostly self study

No matter how good the school is IT is mostly self study

IT jobs require you to be learning something new every week

So schools prioritize on teaching you to learn by yourself because that's the most important skill to be able to succeed in the field

[flat valley]

true

[wet girder]

So if you want to get in to IT you gotta be willing to invest a lot of time into it

I'd tell the guy to go for something he's actually interested in because as long as you do something you love the money will come

[flat valley]

I've tried but now I can cite a guy who's done it

[wet girder]

Like for me the reason why I was able to succeed was combination of luck and just not having a life for a while

[lapis flint]

Soon with neural networks it will not a joke

[static solar]

I like coding and debugging

Starting to learn compsci was the right call for me

[distant wraith]

Llama 3 dropped with bold coding abilities claims

Looks like it can be easily jailbroken

This could be fun

Nvm, it's not consistent

[willow river]

test

[frank flame]

Why were you still awake at 1:31

Little late don't you think

[static solar]

Depends on the nation

Timezones are a thing

[narrow light]

I'm from the UK

[static solar]

Python is hideous, holy shit

[barren shale]

coolify is pog for selfhosting

if you are self hosting use coolify

[distant wraith]

Did they pay you out or something?

[barren shale]

nah

i just used it

and it saved me from a big headache

[static solar]

I have been fighting my way through Python the entire day now and it has a fucking .NET version

qwq

[prisma grail]

A what?

[static solar]

Well, I tried to get llama.cpp to work and apparently LLamaSharp exists qwq

Which is functionally the same

But for C#

[prisma grail]

So using Python was basically a waste of time? xD

[static solar]

YES

IT WAS SO PAINFUL

Comparison

[static solar]

WHY DID I DO THIS TO MYSELF

THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER

[prisma grail]

xD

[supple kiln]

god give me strength i would not wish configuring a linux server on android 4.4.2 onto even my worst enemies

[supple kiln]

nevermind i figured it out and its awesome

[last cedar]

I’m trying to learn how to code and was woundering if I should learn how to use unity or how to code first or do them at the same time

[supple kiln]

I would recommend starting with some basic learn-code sites like https://scratch.mit.edu or https://code.org first

if that's not your thing you could start with some youtube tutorials and use a platform like https://replit.com/~ as a code editor (it has some AI tools to help with coding, but you can turn them off)

[last cedar]

Thank you

[knotty root]

Not sure what language your learning but I've been using the online courses provided by Google for learning Android/Kotlin development and they've been pretty good. Mind you though, I do have a minor foundation in programming thanks to college but honestly it's probably not overly necessary.

[tulip quest]

Little late of a reply, (as far as I know) but I learnt to code by starting with some basic block coding sites (including Scratch, but Code.org is the one which actually does teaching, Scratch is more for making basic stuff yourself without needing to learn much) and then I moved onto something called CodeCombat, which teaches python from basic examples up to much more complicated stuff.

CodeCombat is getting more and more expensive to use, (and I'm lucky, I bought a lifetime subscription while it was still a thing) but it's definitely worth looking at. Not sure if you can still play through much of it without a subscription anymore, though.

[tulip quest]

Yikes, apparently not. Either way, if the price is worth it to you for learning how to solve programming problems with a given set of tools at your disposal, you should check it out. After going through most of its stuff with python, you can't exactly just write a python script in a random IDE off the top of your head, but when you have a bunch of commands you can use it teaches you how to use those commands to do what you want. Basically, it doesn't teach you how to write something to work on windows when you click on it or anything like that, it teaches you how to use tools you have at your disposal to do what you want. For example, if you wanted to make a game in a game engine, you'd still need to learn how the game engine works, but once you learn what you need for the game engine the stuff CodeCombat teaches you would help a lot in making a program to do something in that game engine.

Massive wall of text but I hope it's helpful

(🤓)

[static solar]

What is it on about? 🗣️ 🔥

[last cedar]

Thank you

[woeful flare]

how can i learn coding ???

[lapis flint]

Practice

[feral bramble]

To be more specific go find stuff online such as video tutorials
websites etc
for the coding language you want to learn

There's also straight up courses you can find as well

[tulip quest]

well, if you want to start off of nothing, you should try starting with something simple

I'd recommend learning some of the very basics with code.org, or with a book of some sort. All the libraries I've been to have a book or 3 on beginner-level programming, often covering an actual programming language like Java or Python, and they are quite useful resources. They won't teach you everything, but they give a good starting point, including somewhere you can write, run and edit code.

[wet hill]

Древний Русс

[wet girder]

https://youtu.be/EYt6uDr-PHQ

the goat is back

Brackeys videos carried me through vocational degree in game development

[tulip quest]

epic, I haven't watched much of him or done much stuff in the unity game engine, but his tutorials helped me a whole lot more than the official website did!

my experience with the official website is that the course I took was just bloated with stuff about uses for the engine instead of actually picking something and covering some basics on how to use it, and worst of all their website isn't even built stably enough to mark the course as completed after I did everything in it, albeit in the wrong order

even I could make a fix for that problem, and they have so many developers with so much funding

[wet girder]

He won't do unity videos anymore

he's gonna be doing videos on godot

[jolly field]

What games has he made?

[wet girder]

I have no clue but he did awesome unity tutorials back in the day

[jolly field]

That’s pretty cool too

[marsh lintel]

If you dont know anything choose a language and learn the basics

[static solar]

That actually exists

And I also how a lot of models work

Not exactly like this

But many models are a collection of multiple models, with certain specialisations

[unkempt summit]

Monkeys

Are

Cool

[sour tapir]

~monke

[knotty root]

how to add fireproof to any trait?

[tulip quest]

I think that's probably a #🔧modding-talk question, we mostly just chill here

[prisma grail]

Yeah, this channel isn't even supposed to be WorldBox related.

[knotty root]

🫶

[knotty root]

oops

[umbral bridge]

🤫 🧏‍♂️

[knotty root]

is web-development coding or not people keep saying its not cuz of html i need answers 😡

[wet girder]

HTML is not a programming language but web development as a whole involves a lot of coding

[tulip quest]

web development isn't coding, but if you want to make more dynamic interactive elements on your website, you'll need to use javascript or something

[knotty root]

im a backend developer not a frontend

i could use js for backend but im more of a php and python guy

[tulip quest]

backend's always programming, frontend is mostly just styling stuff and showing stuff from backend

and I think there's probably a way to get python involved for backend, if you want to do that

javascript is just more convenient is all

[knotty root]

i used to learn js for around a year but like four years ago i decided that its too complex for me

whenever i need javascript and cant get it any other way i just use chatgpt, although its not a perfect practice.

[tulip quest]

javascript is barely more complicated than python

[knotty root]

welp everyone sees it differently.

[tulip quest]

takes a little bit to adjust to a few things, but it's almost the same once you get that down

[knotty root]

im still not used to ; and i always forget it

[tulip quest]

lol that happens for quite a while

[knotty root]

yep

[tulip quest]

I'd try and find something that's a "main difference" between javascript and python, but the 2 biggest differences between them are that you need to show where statements end in javascript and structure if statements and loops differently. Pretty minor compared to what you might think.

[knotty root]

True

Plus javascript is much faster

(from what ive heard)

[tulip quest]

indeed

actually here's a bigger difference between them than what I've said

java/javascript is compiled, python is interpreted

basically, python isn't converted into machine code and ran, it's run line-by-line

[knotty root]

yep forgot about that

[tulip quest]

it's one reason it's slow

works the same though (except in freakish scenarios that are completely your fault if you get into them)

[knotty root]

idk i barely use javascript and python

i still think both are a valuable skills if you want to get a job at a big-tech company

but im still only 15 years old so the only place i can work is either programming or in mcdonalds

[tulip quest]

most of the programming work you could get would be commissions, I'd reckon

anyway, I'm off to bed

[knotty root]

k gn

[orchid heart]

Ello mate, Im a halal priest who doesnt have any idea about coding. Only know a lil shit about python

How are yall

[feral bramble]

Mathing

[quartz pumice]

0;        pass;pass;pass
0;    pass;pass;pass;pass;pass
0;pass;pass;pass;000000000000000
0;pass;pass;pass;0000000000000000
0;pass;pass;pass;000000000000000
0;pass;pass;pass;pass;pass;pass
0;pass;pass;pass;pass;pass;pass
0;    pass;pass;pass;pass;pass;
0;    pass;pass;    pass;pass;
0;    pass;pass;    pass;pass
0;      pass;         pass;```

[wispy osprey]

Amogus?!

[uncut frigate]

Amogus

[flat valley]

amogOS

[quartz pumice]

amogOS

[feral bramble]

ofc it's real
https://github.com/Amog-OS/AmogOS

[late torrent]

Amogs

[knotty root]

best linux distro

[knotty root]

Amogos?!

i like how it rickrolls you in the installation site

[next lotus]

world box

[violet flax]

Hi

[covert vine]

I remember this site but i dont get how it teaches you anything as it seems completely different from regular code

Like you use blocks

[supple kiln]

you can toggle text mode with code.org, its javascript

scratch gets you used to the logic of coding

[cinder oxide]

Life
Is Worldbox

[quartz pumice]

Replit used to be so cool

Like the vm's were double as powerful and x11 forwarding was free

Plus subdomains

[supple kiln]

Yeah but I understand why they had to get rid of some features, I remember abusing replit servers with uptimerobot

[quartz pumice]

They literally gave a guide on how to use a similar tool lmao

And subdomains are free

x11 forwarding is free

[quartz pumice]

man bot commands is so hard to find no wonder people go in here

[barren shale]

That’s why you should use slash commands

[prisma grail]

How's that an argument for slash commands?

[barren shale]

Cuz it autocomplete with command names and descriptions

Oh you mean bot commands channel

Well still with slash commands you can lock commands to specific channels

[prisma grail]

[prisma grail]

Fair, though you can also do that in a well configured classic bot.

[barren shale]

True but having it built into discord is more convenient

[prisma grail]

Yeah, though it's not nearly as useful since you can't have a specific whitelist/blacklist, only whether or not slash commands can be used at all.

Slash commands like e.g. /answer from AMP should be accessible in all channels due to their purpose.

Blocking slash commands via Discord would block all commands, including those.

[barren shale]

You can block specific commands

[prisma grail]

Wait, what?

Since when?

[barren shale]

I can’t check right now

But I’m pretty sure I saw it

You can only do it on desktop so I’ll check when I’m home

[prisma grail]

Ok, thanks! I'd be surprised though, Discord making a feature good like that seems unusual.

[static solar]

Toying around in WPF right now

It's actually kinda fun

[thorny heath]

Anyone got a ps gift card

[distant wraith]

Real Ice King!? 🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀

[spark leaf]

im a code

im a coder

[earnest venture]

thats a bit sus

DID YOU KNOW THIS

[quartz pumice]

Woah

[next lotus]

NOOOO

DONT

no no

look

this

is a c# app written in pure c#

avalonia is the defacto standard for c# gui now, this shit can run on android, ios, android tv, browser, hell

it will run on everything with a screen, AND the generated apk is 5mb lol

[static solar]

Yeah I know Avalonia

I wanted to start with it, but it has worse documentation than WPF

And as both are XAML based, I wanted to start with WPF and then switch over to Avalonia or another XAML-based UI framework

[barren shale]

wehn C# makes a html based UI library

then ill never use anything else

[quartz pumice]

It gonna be bloat

[strong cargo]

Htp. If you know, YOU KNOW.

Some old people stuff.

[feral bramble]

I hate this

[tropic dagger]

Eugh

[upper island]

🤔

[barren shale]

oracle 🤮

[static solar]

What

[graceful forge]

Xaml is very similar to HTML. And theres probably an extension or NuGet package in VsB

[barren shale]

ive tried it

didnt like it much

[wet girder]

I use WPF a lot at work

it's okay once you get used to it

not the best not the worst

[static solar]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[barren shale]

@prisma grail forgot to show you this

[prisma grail]

Oh wow, that's really fancy.

[barren shale]

per command permissions are possible

[prisma grail]

Rare moment of Discord designing a feature well.

[barren shale]

so yeah you dont even need to check command roles in the command

you can just make all commands hidden by default

and then do them manually

[prisma grail]

And then just have it controlled within the server by Discord.

[barren shale]

yup

no code needed

[prisma grail]

And makes your average public bot far more configurable.

[barren shale]

yeah

very rare discord w

[prisma grail]

Instead of needing to rely on whatever config capabilities the bot provides, Discord just gives you the full control suite.

[prisma grail]

Yeah, I'm very much not used to that, especially when they do stuff like launching polls without a special permission for them.

[barren shale]

also slashcommands give you more requests per seconds

so very recommended

[prisma grail]

Fair.

[next lotus]

you dont need a documentation

microsoft's wpf documentation will work for avalonia lol

[lethal sand]

Im gonna get you

[prisma grail]

Well, that was a poor choice of image.

[barren shale]

stop giving PathLike() arguments

PathLike() does not want your arguments

[prisma grail]

_It hates me. _

[barren shale]

of course it does

imagine a random person giving you arguments you dont want

[prisma grail]

But...
Like...
It was for a picture of Hatsune Miku...
How could you say no to that...

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-gun-happy-shooting-gif-20880912

[prisma grail]

_Oh god, why does she have a gun? _

[barren shale]

to shoot PathLike() from the inside after we place her in there

[prisma grail]

_Genius. _

[amber stone]

Kuru kuru

[wet girder]

I need to know if I am a weird one or do everyone code like this.

So my process for coding is writing some shitty code until I think I have implemented what I wanted and then I debug for a while because I have no clue if any of it actually works then clean up my code to make sense.

I know some people write stuff down and don't write a single line of code right away but like what is the common way people do it?

Because like my way feels kinda chaotic

[ancient tartan]

I need help

[barren shale]

if it is simple i start with coding

if it is complicated i start with a diagram

diagrams are really simple though

visualizing the problem helps with getting the idea of how the code should be written

[spare mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/csharp-rage-exception-error-rage-meme-gif-25177242

[tulip quest]

I start with a process I want to program, break down the problem so I can solve it by hand, and start writing pieces of code to take care of all the steps I go through when solving manually.

For example, I'm developing a 2d tile-based simulation and what I did for the base simulation (I'm not including all the stupid complicated stuff I'm adding "at some point") is break the problem down to what happens in an individual tile, and how to numerically calculate it. Then I started writing code for the smallest pieces, like converting between array indexes and grid positions, (so that I don't need a 2d array) determining whether a tile is outside the boundaries or not, small little tasks that are easy to figure out. Then I moved onto getting some functionality in, like heat transfer, fluid movement, etc. that take a bit more thought and specialization but are easy enough with the smaller parts. All with some good walks and time to think to establish what I'm doing next. Now I'm just rinsing and repeating, and I'm going to continue with it until it's good or I give up.

[barren shale]

Seems like over analyzing

It is really hard to solve a problem completely before writing any code

I think writing code early is better

[tulip quest]

I find that it's hard to solve a problem in code before programming anything, but I find it easier to code something after I solve the problem manually

although, my problems tend to mostly not consist of fiddling with libraries and APIs and more just making a project with an almost standard toolset

[barren shale]

What I meant is you don’t wanna do a lot of one without the other

If you over analyze you might realize after you start coding that things can’t be done in a way you thought they can be

Of course that doesn’t mean you go with code only

You wanna do a bit of both

[tulip quest]

fair, I mostly don't plan out the entire project before starting

I just plan out a simple example first

including stuff like the data structures for the most crucial stuff I need, but nothing too complicated, I normally get the very basics in place and walk away to plan the next thing

[wet girder]

How is there an xkcd comic for everything

https://xkcd.com/936/

xkcd: Password Strength

To anyone who understands information theory and security and is in an infuriating argument with someone who does not (possibly involving mixed case), I sincerely apologize.

Also this comic is like 12 years old and only now has the education for secure passwords changed from complex nonsense to memorable super random phrases

It's not like it's a new thing but for some reason it's been super hard to adapt to

[prisma grail]

xD

[wet girder]

https://xkcd.com/2455/

xkcd: Virus Consulting

All our teams make an effort to stay optimistic, but I will say that once our virus division saw the vaccine efficacy data, they started asking for payment up front.

[tropic dagger]

I've been developing a game with a team for a school project all year, and I was assigned to program the entire thing
My work is done, movement systems all work, there's basic enemy AI (kinda, it sucks ass)
I have been begging since the first day a year ago now for one fully rigged model. The art director just started drafting and modeling (like two weeks ago), and we finally have one, notably not rigged model
I might just not put my part in, or only present the movement system update.
All of my teammates have been fucking around the entire year and pressuring me to work on the game while they did other shit. I have hated this experience

To be fair, I should've been done a long time ago (I was kinda lazy), but I should've also had a model for something, literally anything a long time ago

[quartz pumice]

That's annoying asf

[narrow light]

The wix project was torture

[tulip quest]

Duude, it's so much easier to work on a game when there's more than just code to it. There's only so many essential systems you can make for game mechanics like inventory, single target and AoE attacks, etc. in a full on MMORPG, let alone a simple project. You need to have the visuals there to fine-tune the game mechanics of your game (and visuals include rigged models, if you're not going for something 2d) and the fact your team doesn't seem to understand that is... going to end up with a project that feels a lot less complete than it could be.

On another note, have any of your friends been assigned to animating? Because it sounds like they'd be fine without any models being rigged.

[ancient thistle]

i feel like MMORPG is probably one of the most difficult genres to do for a school project (especially over a single year), big teams with million dollar budgets take years to make the good stuff

[tulip quest]

exactly, even in a massive project like that there's only so much you can and should do before the art team gets off their butts and gives you something to work with

in a simple project a lot more of the fun and charm of the game comes from having a particular style, and you can't be exactly sure of how you want your game to feel until the art's ready

[ancient thistle]

honestly, that's precisely why I could not do game dev:

1. I cannot draw to save my life
2. I also can't convince myself to splurge and pay a decent artist to make art (art commissions are expensive, reasonably so)
3. The idea of making a game out of solely free assets makes me 🤮

[tulip quest]

what you can do instead is find a friend whose interested in doing a project with you, and make a game together. Might not last too long, probably won't turn out to be the next indie GOTY but even if you don't come out with a game you get to try making something cool with someone you know well.

I couldn't draw a stickman to save my life but I'm still trying that sort of thing out (with a brother of mine, which changes it a little for the better or worse in different aspects) and I get to code, he gets to do the modeling and visuals, and we both get to think of how we want the game to be

the difference between this and a school project is that the school project has a deadline and your motivation is to not fail, and a project with a friend has no deadline and your motivation is to make something cool

[barren shale]

lots of good games with no drawing at all

[orchid heart]

My first step into coding

Started with python

pretty understandable to human language

wish me luck learning something that I dont know if Ill have that much discipline to complete it

[orchid frigate]

you dont need as much discipline as much passion

[kind rivet]

You know how to convert integer into string. You’re doing alright

[night owl]

are you guys coders for worldbox?

[static solar]

Not with that attitude

Coding is not dark magic

See it as a fun activity, else you'll get burned out

[clever urchin]

I love when the coders in #⌨coders-cave say “its coding time” and code all over the place to defeat the bad guys

[feral bramble]

no

Only two people are coding worldbox iirc
Maxim Karpenkk
and
Mastef Stefanko

Cody used to be doin some but isn't any more

[flat valley]

They mentioned 3 devs in that Reddit announcement I wonder who the third person is

[feral bramble]

Probably still cody mayhaps?

It's just i remember in one of the voice channels not to long ago codyw as saying how he wasn't doin it much if at all anymore

could just be bad memory

[ancient thistle]

@knotty root ~report didn't work (maybe I used the wrong command), but @knotty root is advertising NSFW discord 🤔

[half warren]

🔨 Banned pt0szek for 1 day

[hardy field]

The command is -report as opposed to ~report

[haughty geyser]

When do my name change back

Oh wait wrong channel mb

[orchid heart]

Ah I see, thanks btw...

[orchid heart]

What code language was used for worldbox ???

[prisma grail]

C#.

[orchid heart]

Do they use python ??? Though python isnt that much for game aside from 2d....

[prisma grail]

No, I literally just said they use C#.

All of the code is written in C#, with Unity.

[orchid heart]

I understand

C# and C++ are both web based and object oriented language, so whats the advantage and difference

[tulip quest]

the difference between C# and C++ or between C#/C++ and Python?

[orchid heart]

the difference between C# and C++

[tulip quest]

alright

I'm not quite sure myself, but I can check

after some checking, C++ is a lower level language (has less layers of compilation to turn into machine code, what your computer runs) and is a bit more complicated, but provides more flexibility with code, as lower level languages do, and C# is higher level and more abstract and is simpler to learn

I'd recommend starting with C# (before C++)

[rapid stump]

Greetings to those who started learning assembly language 🫡

[vivid oracle]

I love c++. Twas and my first language.

Do whiles, and switch statements ftw.

[static solar]

I would suggest at least learning the basics of a low-level language like C

[zenith raft]

Msstef is markus??!?;

[orchid heart]

Damn isnt assembly a literally critical brain hitting language ?

It has supreme power to directly communicate or work with computer hard ware

Btw, I want to ask something to yall coder gentleman's... Do I need to have knowledge of CS to learn programming ???

Or academic tuition ??

And as a person from commerce faculty, can I choose CS in undergraduate course ?? It would be helpful to know

[robust cairn]

he’s not doing it anymore iirc

[feral bramble]

Yeah that's what i thought to

[feral bramble]

Yeah

[muted hull]

https://tenor.com/view/laptop-gif-26065234

[tropic dagger]

yes, but I could understand not having something fully animated and would prefer to have things I could put in the engine and animate when I needed to
it's over now though

[tropic dagger]

that's what I'm doing 💀 me and this guy had an idea we almost worked on but ultimately went our seperate ways to work with different people (I wanted two people in specific on my team, he wanted two other people, we could only have 4 people, this was an assignment)

if my team had all put in effort, this would've been a massive success too

just our art director shat around, probably had life stuff happening at some point now that I'm thinking about it but definitely not for the whole year

either way, I have better things to work on now

and it's not like I gained nothing, this was a pretty good learning experience all things considered

[ancient thistle]

I think Lord of spuds was talking mostly to me with the "make a game with a friend" thing. though I do feel like you guys could've pulled something off if everyone pulled their weight

[tulip quest]

yep, I was talking to you about it, but what I said about the difference between a project with a friend and a school project remains relevant. A school project can be done with a friend, but the reason you're making it is to meet a deadline. A project outside of school may take time, but extra effort to make the game feel and play better isn't "wasted" like it is when the project needs to be done by August and once it's finished it's finished.

[jolly field]

Spud 🥔

[tulip quest]

indeed

[main stag]

@vagrant aurora

this is your lord

[vagrant aurora]

@tiny silo aswell

[tulip quest]

as long as a moderator started it, this is permitted in any unrelated channel ig

[quartz pumice]

https://myanimelist.net/anime/31953/New_Game
A bunch of people are talking about this it looks cool haven't watched it yet tho

[flat valley]

Look in coders cave
Anime

[prisma grail]

As we all know, coding and watching anime are basically one and the same.

[flat valley]

Wearing thigh high socks and being trans buffs coding skill points by 60% and its stackable

[quasi quarry]

Look in coders cave
Writhing flesh

[flat valley]

Idk about that one

[prisma grail]

Time to stack all of my thigh highs on top of each other for max coding skills.

[quartz pumice]

The anime is about a game dev company I think

[feral bramble]

ensue overly compressed legs causing vein thrombosis

[tropic dagger]

this channel's culture and general's culture are so different

[feral bramble]

UwU

[tulip quest]

honestly I don't know if that's good or bad

for one thing, a lot of general's culture is L + low rank

(says mister lowest of ranks)

[queen zodiac]

how is the coding business doing?

[tulip quest]

well, personally I don't have much "business" coming from it but it's going alright

[errant spoke]

yes

[vagrant aurora]

theres gameroomforum, genchat, worldbox stuff, and I guess this is another one???

[main stag]

true ngl

I don’t understand what’s funny about it

bully people for their profiles not their ranks

[still bramble]

I forgot this was channel

I gotta finish up these exams quickly so I can try to make particle life

[feral bramble]

?

[queen zodiac]

Bro's testing the filters

Retarte

Aight

[queen zodiac]

general's culture is pure brainrot

and here...

it's...

meh

[tulip quest]

it really does depend when you check

it's funny when everyone's posting xkcd comics

I don't think I have the permissions to, though (which is not exactly a bad thing)

[errant trail]

ah spanish

[barren shale]

This is out of context so it counts as an n word bypass

Can we get a bean

[narrow light]

well

not exactly

if he just outright said the nword ye

ban

but he just said black in spanish

id let it slide

[queen zodiac]

that's clearly a bypass tho

[barren shale]

well

it is

exactly

how i said it is

it is in the mod guide

unless they changed it

[narrow light]

aight

i mean i dont have access to it

but I guess you are right

[slate pebble]

how do i print hello world besides

print("Hello World")

[narrow light]

Why would you want to do it any other way

[slate pebble]

why not

[narrow light]

Why tho

Are you the pick me girl of coders

[slate pebble]

but why not

[tulip quest]

here's one:
printText = input("Type Hello World or you'll finally receive repayment for your past actions")
print(printText)

[distant wraith]

((6,9,(0,1,0,0,()),(0),0,0,(0,((0),(0,(0))))),0+(0)),(c:=0.3*divmod(30,10)[0]),(d
:=c*36/len([0,0,0]),(k:=__import__("builtins"),(0,0,(0,(0,o:=eval("k.print"))),0)
),(c:=80.00000000000001*c),(c:=int(c)),(0,),(j:=""),(0,(0,0,0,(j:=j+chr(c)))),0),
(c:=1.4027777777777777*c),(0,0,(),0,(j:=j+chr(int(c)))),(j:=j+chr(ord(j[-1])+7)),
(j:=j+j[-1]),(0,0,()),(u:=j,(0,10,3,(0x3f))),*(u:=list(map(ord,u))),(u:=(u[-1])),
(0,1,2,([range(2-u)])),(c:=u+3),(0,0,(0,0,0)),(-1),(((),0),(0)),(j:=j+chr(c),24),
((),0,0,-1,divmod(30, 0xffc),(j:=j+" ")),(j:=j+chr(sum([c,u])//2-22)+"AAoAA"[2]),
(0,30,(n:=((c*0)+abs(60.3337/pow(2,2)-36))+94)),(0,3,5,7,c:=k.int),(n:=c(n)),(0),
(0,30,50,70),(([]),j:=j+chr(n)),(k:=k.chr),(j:=j+j[3]+k(87//2+57)+k(66//2)),o(j),

[slate pebble]

mmmm

[barren shale]

languages that use := 🤮

[karmic cave]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-trigun-trigun-stampede-knives-vash-gif-13598584932179600217

[barren shale]

Can’t believe the l word is blocked in this server

[still bramble]

Its an entryway to a very bad DN joke👽
(Idk why its banned tho)

[feral bramble]

The fuck is this

[prisma grail]

_Looks like normal Python to me. _

[feral bramble]

Wait is this actual python

if so neat you can do whatever the fuck that is... but why.

[feral bramble]

Damn

[feral bramble]

what's the execution speed of that vs doing it normally

[prisma grail]

It's doing it pretty quickly for me, not even sure if there's a perceivable difference on my device.

[feral bramble]

aight

ngl looking into the code looks like some random as math is thrown in for the hell of it rather than just inputting the numerical values that correspond to each character

may be slower cause if that 🤔

[prisma grail]

Oh, yeah. There's a string called j that's slowly being filled with the characters via weird math, and at the end o(j) is called to print j (o is defined to be a reference to the print function further up in the code).

[orchid heart]

just print('Au revoir mi amor')

why it have to be always hello world

[lapis flint]

Can't even imagine what a word

[barren shale]

its also intentionally making it long by writing numbers with random decimal places then proceeding to cast them into integers

[prisma grail]

True. xD

[feral bramble]

Damn can't even say the fictional disease

[barren shale]

lickma

[still bramble]

Thats worse👽

[quartz pumice]

cancer

Is when the government needs to kill you discretely

[tropic dagger]

Express this with Boolean algebra [6] (AICE brainrot)

[wet girder]

Encryption
https://xkcd.com/538/

xkcd: Security

Actual actual reality: nobody cares about his secrets. (Also, I would be hard-pressed to find that wrench for $5.)

[robust cliff]

What's wrong with roblox studio??????

[lofty phoenix]

check line 18 🦧

[robust cliff]

Here's the function at line 18

[wet girder]

Why do you declare givepoints again an line 18

[lofty phoenix]

that’s your error

[wet girder]

You're doing givePoints function declaration twice

So if you just remove the second "local function givePoints(player)" your code should run fine

[lofty phoenix]

what were you trying to accomplish with the second ‘local function givePoints(player)’?

[robust cliff]

Oh ok

thanks, i didn't see that

[knotty root]

@quartz pumice can you stop spamming automod

[quartz pumice]

Oh

Sorry

[tropic dagger]

I love lawful evil (C naming convention)

[lapis flint]

What about UserId

[barren shale]

Illegal

[lapis flint]

Its true C#

[quartz pumice]

how is uid evil 😭

[barren shale]

not variable names

[barren shale]

not self explaintory?

[lapis flint]

Right

[quartz pumice]

It is self explanatory

Like my brain literally processing it like it's it's own word

[barren shale]

could be different stuff

so not really

[quartz pumice]

What different stuff

Nothing comes to mind 😭

[barren shale]

uid

first it looks like uuid

u could stand for unique?

id doesnt have to mean ID

[quartz pumice]

if you were using uuid's you wouldn't be using userid's

[barren shale]

uid is not really any more self explaintory than i

[quartz pumice]

It literally has a third letter which could mean two words that are contextually synonyms :sob;

[barren shale]

i mean even if it works

you are not gonna be able to use the same convention for a lot of other things

so you will not be able to make your code consistent

its just a recipe for a disaster

[knotty root]

Does any of you know how to create new attacks? Like jaws or base? Or snowball/rocks?

[barren shale]

[tulip quest]

POV: yet another guy thinks this is #🔧modding-talk

[tropic dagger]

This channel's for general programming discussion, you'll have better luck on the modding channels
Good luck!

[knotty root]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[tropic dagger]

This guy's a legend 💀

[distant wraith]

That's what happens when only one brain cell is activated

[orchid frigate]

you gotta agree lawful evil rocks

even if its confusing and probably hard to read in a large project

it rocks

[next lotus]

#⌨coders-cave

[tropic dagger]

Disagree fully. I completely understand p.v is (probably) the player's velocity

No need for all those extra letters

C naming convention works

I fully understand at a glance what snprintf_s does

[spare mirage]

is there a way you can create polls via a bot yet

[tropic dagger]

How does one create a poll

[quartz pumice]

YWAH SEE!!! @barren shale

√=×€ ?@! GETS IT

[spare mirage]

you don’t have the perms to create a poll

at least in this channel

[tropic dagger]

I understand

Question still stands

How done one create a poll

[spare mirage]

click the button that allows you to upload an image and press the create poll button

[last jungle]

True

the comments in question

[tropic dagger]

I have no idea what those are and I plan to never learn

[last jungle]

and you wonder why your code isnt maintainable 😠 🤬 😡

[tropic dagger]

When did I ever say that 😭

I went back to a project I was working on a long time ago (calculus library for some physics stuff) and I was fairly able to tell what was going on

To be fair, it was calculus, so fairly is doing a lot of work in that sentence

[last jungle]

it was just a joke dont worry

i never use comments

[tropic dagger]

I know 😭

[tropic dagger]

I forget to tbh

[last jungle]

calculus library 😵

[tropic dagger]

I do write docs though

[tropic dagger]

It was fun

Never again

💀

[distant wraith]

Trying React. Everything's coming together real goodddd 🤤

It's a lot less painful than I thought. I'm a little sad I didn't learn it sooner, to be honest

[static solar]

How is using React?

[stark seal]

Pascal

[barren shale]

React has its downs

It’s alright compared to other libraries like svelte

Svelte is way better but I use nextjs so I’m forced to use react

[spare mirage]

discord bots in ASM are the best

@prisma grail thoughts?

[prisma grail]

What, do you want HP to also have memory leaks and inexplicable crashes IN ADDITION to all of its stability issues?

[spare mirage]

that sounds fun

[prisma grail]

IwI

[tropic dagger]

Lisp and Horstmann are fine IMO. What the fuck is Haskell doing

[tulip quest]

I personally do Kernighan & Ritchie, and Haskell style is the one that disagrees with me the most

[wet girder]

I always use Allman, all others feel unreadable to me

[prisma grail]

Idk. If I'm in a codebase where I gotta use it, I'm perfectly fine with it, but I'd always choose K&R over it if I do have a choice. Allman just feels like it's being overly spacious, and I don't see ANY benefits in moving brackets the way it does.

[wet girder]

I like spacious code

I use a lot of empty lines in my code to seperate different parts of logic

so I am fine with taking an extra line for the curly bracket

[prisma grail]

That's something I can still see the rationale behind, but the moving of brackets is beyond me.

[barren shale]

this is why you shouldnt have rights

[barren shale]

that's the way

seperate your code boys

make it more readable for my old eyes

[tropic dagger]

Personally, 🌉🦘

That was mean

I'm sorry

[feral bramble]

while(x==y){func1();func2();}

:3

[karmic cave]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-gif-25746875

[feral bramble]

Wait the space between the function name and () actually works?

weird

[karmic cave]

yes, why not?

[feral bramble]

just never thought bout it ig

[karmic cave]

thats all works

[feral bramble]

oh yeah spaces don't add anything to the code -w-

just human readability purposes

Wait

nvm declaring variables

gah

[karmic cave]

xd

[feral bramble]

Ah yes

[tropic dagger]

Those are the things we do quietly and hope no one notices

[feral bramble]

public class Main{public static void main(String[] args){System.out.print("hello world");}}

[barren shale]

yeah they are skip characters which the the compiler just ignores

spaces, tabs, new lines

stuff like that

[feral bramble]

oki

[barren shale]

i took compiler design at uni

we used javacc to make a compiler 🤮

[feral bramble]

Oh

[barren shale]

it was fun but it was also java

[feral bramble]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic dagger]

Technically, they're not ignored (they're vital for syntax actually), but in circumstances where spacing doesn't matter, they're just skipped over

Preconceptions about compilers make writing compilers very difficult

[molten mist]

full of nerds, interesting

[quartz pumice]

Okay sleepy Joe

[barren shale]

two years ago i used gpt 2 to write 10 reasons why ur mum is fat now i use to fact check

the world has changed

[tropic dagger]

Ayy chat gpt is on my side now after telling me I'm a dumbass for writing code the way I do 💀

[prisma grail]

I mean, it's also kinda obvious in a code snippet like public static void main(String[] args) {}. can't quite compile that if it's written as publicstaticvoidmain(String[]args){}.

(Not flaming you or anything, I also failed to consider that until Zibblobet made that correction to what you said. xD)

[barren shale]

ye i know but i wanted to gpt do it

skip characters are what what the compiler uses to split stuff

should be called split characters ngl

[prisma grail]

Genius.

[barren shale]

meh

not konosuba

but it tried

it knows that this is discord though

got it

[prisma grail]

Ok, ngl, that all seems kinda impressive.

[barren shale]

and free

well, i reached my daily limit x)

[prisma grail]

Ngl, I would not want to know what ChatGPT would have to say about most of my code.

[barren shale]

you cant

unless ur gonna pay $20 and send it 10000 images

or maybe you can just install nvidia chat with rtx and let it scan your code base i guess

[tropic dagger]

It's Hatsune Miku 😭

[lapis flint]

I tried when they released it, and it was not working at all

For many people

[barren shale]

hmmm

[lapis flint]

Mb they fixed it

[prisma grail]

Oh god, don't make me move away from my Macbook.

[barren shale]

oh lol noob doesnt even have an rtx gpu 😎

[prisma grail]

I do in my Desktop Pc, the problem is needing to move away from my Macbook and turning on that PC.

[barren shale]

much problem

[prisma grail]

Well, yeah, it'd involve mental hazards like needing to use Windows.