⌨coders-cave

[barren shale]

just websites which are mostly small

itsj ust frontend js code so its not that huge and it doesnt really link to each other that much

[prisma grail]

While I barely have any TS experience compared to other languages I've worked with, I feel like it does quite a horrible job at not letting me be an idiot like JS.

[barren shale]

i guess that's why people managed to do it without quitting after a couple of days

[barren shale]

TS is not for stooopids

its for big brain smort people like me

[prisma grail]

I'm not stupid, JS is. I'm just too good at JS to use it properly.

[distant wraith]

Literally me

[barren shale]

sounds like something stooopid would say

[prisma grail]

Fair. (Please don't ask me how the backend for my API for my WorldBox mod is written.)

[distant wraith]

Great

[barren shale]

i hope its ts or C#

Writing TS is more fun than writing C#

its less efficient though

[prisma grail]

You think that a stupid person could write stuff like bug free TicTacToe in one line of code?

[prisma grail]

JS.

[barren shale]

I've written 24 hours of TS in the last 6 days

funzies

[barren shale]

🤮

[prisma grail]

(Must be why I have never touched it since I got it to work as I want. )

[prisma grail]

Oh, and also, said backend is therefore also responsible for powering mod upload logic in the replacement WorldBox modloader for NCMS (NML).

[barren shale]

and you used JS for that

even python would be better

[prisma grail]

So yeah, I hope you don't do WorldBox modding, because I doubt that you'd be able to sleep well knowing that the main modloader interacts with an API coded in JSfor critical logic.

[barren shale]

JS is not known for its stability

[prisma grail]

To be fair, the only time where it has caused issues so far was when I literally killed it on accident.

[prisma grail]

I mean, look, I reasonably decided to just add on the required endpoints to the API I already had running for my mod. Unluckily for me, said mod API backend is like over 1k lines of code all in JS, and I genuinely couldn't've been bothered to rewrite that garbage into a better language.

[barren shale]

are you at least using pm2

[prisma grail]

I am running an express server with nodeJS.

[barren shale]

are you running it on a VPS?

or some sort of PaaS

[prisma grail]

Oh, oh, yeah. What does that have to do with anything though? xD

[barren shale]

then you should be using pm2

which will automatically restart it if it crashes

and store the logs for you

https://www.npmjs.com/package/pm2

also if you have multiple cpu cores in the vps you can run multiple containers

[prisma grail]

Ah, that actually looks nice. I had no idea that that exists tbh.

[barren shale]

but i guess that's not very helpful if you dont have lots of traffic

[prisma grail]

Yeah, but alone the other thing you said sounds like. I'd like to know why schools have a tendency to fail to mention that stuff like this exists.

[barren shale]

because they dont

know

it exists

[prisma grail]

Ah, fun. And I thought that I need to wrap any JS code I want to auto restart on crash into a systemd service.

Ngl, at this point, I am genuinely amazed at what sort of monstrosities I've had to write just to not have to use the async keyword.

[barren shale]

why are you not using string interpolation

[prisma grail]

I always concatenate strings because it's what I'm used to doing. Also, string interpolation on the Python version AMP is using is such garbage that it literally doesn't allow you to nest strings in {} (e.g. if you need to do "some seperator".join(some_string_list)).

[barren shale]

oof

[prisma grail]

Also, how is the string concatenation of all things what stands out to you in this coee?

[barren shale]

wanna test something cool

[barren shale]

strings are long so i looked at them

[prisma grail]

Fair, the error messages I'm writing are borderline essays. xD

[prisma grail]

Sure, what?

[barren shale]

sec its compiling

im building a SaaS

survey builder

actually this link requires auth one sec

https://publish-survey-p6zl5k0x7-hamzan12s-projects.vercel.app/editor

i didnt fix the CSS for mobile so youre gonna have to do it on a pc

[prisma grail]

This link still says that I need access to some team to view it.

[barren shale]

oh yeah

i fixed it

reload

focusing on the smoothness of the survey building

so tell me how smooth its looking right now

[prisma grail]

Ok, so first up, I want to point out that the only time I ever had to make any sort of form before was when I created a staff application form in Google Forms for a server I was an admin on.
After I realised that the top two buttons were only for the starting and end page of the survey, everything felt very intuitive for me, the animations and live impact of the things I'm doing made it feel nice, and the jump option stood out to me nicely (mainly because it seems very useful and I never saw something like it before). The whole thing that got me tripped up while I was making questions was how the question type changing disclaimer says "question/answer settings", no I instinctively thought that it'd fsr also affect the question name/description I had already entered. I also feel like seeing that popup literally every time gets a bit repetitive because of how it interrupts the normal flow (which, of course, makes sense for the first time since it's a warning, but feels annoying when it's happening when I already know what it's going to say). Also, the flashbang from it eing light mode was a bit of a jumpscare. xD

[barren shale]

oh i didnt notice this

yeah im gonna make only one pop up that appears when you click add question which lets you choose the question type

and ill fix the change type popup text

thanks for the feedback

[prisma grail]

You're welcome!

[prisma grail]

I've been bypassing what Python expects of me for so long that it genuinely feels weird to be able to simply await the send() method.

[knotty root]

I'm watching TV

[distant wraith]

I love censorship

I just can't think of how much censorship is forced on this poor thing to make it this delusional (or paranoid, idk which is the right word)

Common Meta L

[wicked spindle]

What did you type 👽

[wicked spindle]

That’s it????

[lapis flint]

I guess

[wet girder]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-meme-girl-uhmmm-what-now-gif-12980198104245942867

[static solar]

The future is now, old man

[prisma grail]

Watch cody do if (condition == false).

[prisma grail]

Ok, so wanna refactor the hundreds of thousands of lines of C++ company code across all different projects to use if (condition ain't true) for me?

[static solar]

Progress requires sacrifice

[distant wraith]

No syntax highlighting

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-screaming-insane-crazy-gif-25352911

[static solar]

I wanted to, but my IDE provider bust into my door and kidnapped my family after level 30 because they are haters 😔

[prisma grail]

Yup, exactly what I'm talking about. IwI

[north dune]

the more redundant one

[static solar]

:)

[north dune]

https://tenor.com/view/its-crystal-clear-wiz-khalifa-wiz-got-wings-song-obvious-so-clear-gif-24924390

[opaque ingot]

Thank god they have these courses in the Philippines

FUCK YEAH

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-what-the-spill-the-tea-disappointed-gif-14082987

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-shocked-surprised-ohno-kermit-gif-8790818

Also don't call your variable isThereWar

Call it warStatus or something

[north dune]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-21335564

[prisma grail]

That sounds like an enum, not a bool.

[barren shale]

then make it an enum

warOn

[prisma grail]

Literally why would you need an enum to store whether or not there's a war? IwI

[barren shale]

isWarOn

[barren shale]

because you can probably add more states to it

idk ive programmed a lot

and ive never used there in a variable name

it sounds wrong

[prisma grail]

But, like, if you literally just want to know if any war is ongoing at all, you're just overcomplicating by having an enum, I'm quite sure.

[barren shale]

well yeah ig

but you can use it for more than there's a war and there isn't a war

you can add war states to it

[prisma grail]

That's fair, I agree that the name sounds a bit weird. But I see no reason to make it a data type different from bool, and the initial name you suggested was worse than isThereWar in my opinion because you can't even tell based on the name what the data type is.

[barren shale]

or if you have an object that you save the war info in like WarInfo then you can check if it is null for no war and if it has a value for there's a war

[barren shale]

yeah initial name not for a boolean

[prisma grail]

I'm relatively sure btw that this is in the context of WorldBox modding, so the bool is literally just there so that DiplomacyManager.wars.Length > 0 (or whatever the exact names were, I honestly forgot because I've been doing too much AMP) only needs to be checked once, so if you want more exact war data, might as well just reuse whatever data structures the game uses..

[prisma grail]

Ok, good that we can agree on that.

[barren shale]

in the case of many values you'd use any

anyWars

if anyWars is true then there is a war

[prisma grail]

Ah, yeah, that's actually a nice name.

[barren shale]

I mean you shouldn't use .Length > 0 you should use .Any()

[prisma grail]

(Personally, I'd add a has at the beginning because I prefer it when my bools start with verbs.)

[barren shale]

but idk if that exists in .net framework

has works too in the case of many

it depends on the word after

[prisma grail]

It does, I just forgot about it.

[barren shale]

i just select the one that sounds noicer

[prisma grail]

It's the sort of thing where I write the wrong thing.

My IDE complains about it.

I apply the quick fix.

[barren shale]

rider be like

[prisma grail]

That fixes it.

I forget about it again.

[barren shale]

sometimes you shouldn't use .Any() and use .Count()

for better performance

to not cause multiple enumerations

but dont worry rider will warn you for this too

[prisma grail]

How does Rider know so much about C# collections and I so little when I'm literally a huge LINQ addict?

[barren shale]

rider smort

you stoopid

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-tea-tea-day-sipping-tea-gif-15288264

anyway time to write some speciesbox 2 C# code

smh my head

time to abuse every discord feature to make this bot work

[prisma grail]

For how long have you been working on SB2?

[barren shale]

closing on 2 years now

but

in the 2 years i'd say i had around 8 months of work

and i wasn't the best at working for more than an hour a day

so its not really much

[prisma grail]

I don't even know what to say at this point.

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[prisma grail]

Well, apart from the fact that I'm gonna kill you if SB2 does this too.

[barren shale]

amount of lines in sb codebase

3 projects

api, bot and shared

[barren shale]

slashcommands

[barren shale]

not much tbh

this is how many classes

~650 classes

[prisma grail]

I genuinely can't even be bothered to start some stereotypical argument about why I prefer oold school commands rn.

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[barren shale]

oop

[barren shale]

slashcommands use interactions which gives me more requests to discord api

[prisma grail]

What does it say for maintainability index?

[barren shale]

greens

but its mostly a couple of files that lower it a lot

because i dont write all the code in the best way because some code is temporary

so there's no need to put lots of effort into it

[prisma grail]

Ngl, a lot better than what I've got going on in mods I either own or help to develop.

[barren shale]

i mean building on top of unity is eh

so maybe that's that

or you are not using as many patterns as i am

use patterns

they are fery kewl

i also use github actions to push the bot updates to the VPS automatically

which is also fery kewl

that definetly didnt take ages to setup

and fail 20 times

[prisma grail]

I literally off the top of my head can't think of a single occassion where I was coding and conciously thought "Ah, I'm using this design pattern right now!".

[barren shale]

https://github.com/kamranahmedse/design-patterns-for-humans

read this then

and try to apply some to an already built codebase

[prisma grail]

For doing that with AMP, I've got a shell script coded that does it. xD

[barren shale]

i havent worked on sb 2 in a while i forgot where i was at with the code

this code base is too huge

[barren shale]

oo noice

[prisma grail]

Oh wait I literally saw the word "Singleton" and remebered that I have several of those. I think a part of this might not only be me being bad at coding but also e having a garbage memory.

[barren shale]

singletons dont count

everyone knows singletons

smh

[prisma grail]

TwT

Trust me, I do know some design patterns and can think of many examples of using them outside of my WorldBox mods. xD

[barren shale]

mhmm mhmm

[prisma grail]

My code standards just magically drop into the floor when I'm working on personal projects.

[opaque ingot]

Is CS degree worth ut

It

[static solar]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-squidward-shocked-squidward-tonight-tonight-squidward-shock-gif-23057510

The GitHub flex

I wish GitHub users would just stop proving their superiority

[spare mirage]

so much better

wait

_I

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[spare mirage]

ohhhh

[opaque ingot]

So guys how do i check the list if I contains something specific like more than one specific item. for example you want to check stone in that list then you use Contains() but now you want to check Stone or a rock inside that list for if statement. Do i just use ||?

[jolly field]

Who are you?

[carmine epoch]

_gather

That's crazy

@barren shale why is speciesbox enabled here bruh

[rocky kernel]

Nothing selected

[opaque ingot]

Bro just answer my question

[barren shale]

Idk

[errant trail]

javascript is CRAZY

[lapis flint]

Language of gods

|| Thats why humans shoulnd't use it ||

[opaque ingot]

Nikon

Should I get CS Degree?

[lapis flint]

Idk what is that

[opaque ingot]

It's a thing that's required for applying jobs about programming like being full stack dev and others

[errant trail]

i heard that colleges are overrated in the first place

[opaque ingot]

I mean I can just freelancing but I got a really bad feeling

For thst

[opaque ingot]

I cant decide what the hell should I do in college

My parents is Asian after all.

[errant trail]

oh you are already in college, go for a CS degree (not even a question)

[opaque ingot]

Alright, I still have 5 years left till I go college actually

I'm just trying to prepare..

So i don't suffer in the upcoming future and im trying improve/learn some languages required before that suffering happends.

[opaque ingot]

Review please

https://pastebin.com/NxbE7PyU

[prisma grail]

_My cries towards admins to get its viewing perms removed have been ignored, it seems. _

[barren shale]

top tier commit messages

and here's a new one

[prisma grail]

Still better than me in my WorldBox mods repo. xD

[static solar]

Computer Science

[lapis flint]

Understood

[wicked spindle]

Have you ever wrote comments in your code that slowly go insane

[lapis flint]

Wdym?

Why comments go insane

[static solar]

Because you yourself go insane and the comments reflect that

[lapis flint]

🥴

[static solar]

Example:
// This code does x
Later
// THIS CODE IS DOING SOMETHING GREAT, IT‘S DOING X

[lapis flint]

Never had that

[static solar]

Me neither

But I rarely make comments

[distant wraith]

I never seriously wrote any comments in my actual projects

They're such a waste of time

[lapis flint]

Always do it

[static solar]

Unless I write something so ugly I do it as a failsave, in case I can‘t comprehend it later

[distant wraith]

The closest thing I do is docstring

[lapis flint]

You mean summary thing?

[static solar]

Comments shouldn‘t be necessary when you write readable code

Good naming, etc.

[distant wraith]

Maybe?

def func():
    """Doc stuff
    """

[static solar]

Oh yeah

Heard about that

[lapis flint]

Comments inside method is not, but method itself should be

My opinion

[static solar]

I completely forgor

[lapis flint]

Commenting almost each method

[static solar]

Yeah

[lapis flint]

Yes i guess

[lapis flint]

This is how it looks on c#

In visual studio you just type ///, and it generates this by itself

[distant wraith]

Looks even more painful

[lapis flint]

Nah

You can ignore param and returns and keep only summary section (just description)

And it even have formatting for highlight and other stuff

[static solar]

Never really used that feature for my small console apps

[lapis flint]

I guess it is useless for small console apps

[static solar]

Yeah but ig I can add them as practice anyways

[orchid frigate]

atleast you did the stuff

alot of stuff

mainly just stuff

[barren shale]

stuff has been done

[barren shale]

not really

C# one is really nice

compared to the python one

[distant wraith]

Totally unbiased take

[prisma grail]

Never before have I heard a more unbiased C# opinion.

(I do have to agree though.)

[wet girder]

Why is the little guy thinking and not speaking

[tropic dagger]

😭

too real 😭

[errant trail]

imagine coding in html

like not even JSX or HTMX you just code with script tags

this would be the ultimate troll

<htpl>
    <set name="a">Hello world!<set/>
    <log data="$a"/>
<htpl/>

[royal zenith]

Why is my code not working?<htpl>
<set name="a">Hello world!<set/>
<log data="$a"/>
<htpl/>

[royal zenith]

Bruh Moment

[wet girder]

At work I've done exclusively backend work for the last 5 months and now I am doing excusively front end work for a while and damn is it refreshing

[barren shale]

fullstack is best 😎

[wet girder]

oh gosh

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1azzp6v/anotherabomination/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[narrow light]

My tech teacher wants me to die of sadness

She wont let me code in either html or python

And hasnt even started the wix project

We are doing mind map shit

[wary plank]

this hurts my head

[opaque ingot]

How many hours should I spend on coding?

[distant wraith]

Until you get what you want or give up. That's how I do it

[wicked spindle]

2

[opaque ingot]

I could barely spend 2 hours straight coding. But I do spend like over 1+ hour morning, afternoon and at night

[barren shale]

5 hours

26 hours a week at least

[timid field]

Final moments before disaster

[static solar]

When I start coding I do it for hours on end for some reason

[prisma grail]

My stats from last week are straight up depressing tbh.

[prisma grail]

Happens to me easily too when I get invested into whatever system I'm coding or something like that, I interpret it as proof that coding is what I'm meant for.

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-matthew-mc-conaughey-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-6096185

[prisma grail]

(Note that the Python stats are lower than they should be because I usually code Python in nvim, but I don't have Wakatime extensions installed in nvim, so the stat is only tracking the Python coding I did in Pycharm.)

[barren shale]

7 hours in json

what the fuck are yo doing

[prisma grail]

#⌨coders-cave message elaborates on that criticism, I'd say.

[barren shale]

nvim user 🤮

[prisma grail]

Ok, so you know the ongoing event on this server? The "Race to the depths of the sea" one?

[barren shale]

no

look at my cool nvim theme though

[prisma grail]

Well, AMP is involved in running the event (it's the horrible mess of a system I was coding last week that made me complain about asyncio a whole lot), and all of the question/answer sets of the event were stored in a google doc with bad/inconsistent formatting and needed to be transferred over into a JSON file.

[barren shale]

look at this cool ascii implementation of ray marching

[barren shale]

so you've spent 7 hours writing down json

[prisma grail]

Pretty nice colors, that different font is slightly infuriating to me though.

[barren shale]

yeah font kidna suck

[opaque ingot]

Dang, firstly whenever I make some project I put my ideas to some to do list and each line I do them on scheduled

[barren shale]

i dont use nvim anyway

i tried it for a week

[knotty root]

@prisma grail hiii

[barren shale]

slowed me down too much

[prisma grail]

Hi!

[knotty root]

can i please have some cc?1?

@barren shale hii

[barren shale]

i also spent too much time making vscode look beautiful

[barren shale]

hola

[knotty root]

can i have The coin

[barren shale]

which coin

what

coin

what

[opaque ingot]

Wat dat, ik it's react but what yoh making

[knotty root]

speciesbox

[prisma grail]

Ok, so a few corrections to that.
1st: I wasn't just writing the exact JSON, I also did stuff like writing aa schema for the JSON.
2nd: I actually only did like a quarter of the porting into JSON because of how painful it was, and got some other event host that happened to know some coding basics to do the other 75%.

[knotty root]

tldr dont have enough braincells

stop trying to mentally hurt me

[barren shale]

speciesbox has coins?

[knotty root]

no only A coin

the coin

[prisma grail]

Oh god, why vscode?

[knotty root]

tgat collection shit

[barren shale]

because its good enough

and doesnt shit on your laptop's battery

[static solar]

Data stealing

[prisma grail]

I guess that's fair, took me several months of just having it sitting around on my mac before I actually went through with using it consistently for something.

(Blame Pycharm for being an annoying piece of garbage with way too lenient type checking on strongest settings I could find.)

[prisma grail]

Right, sorry, forgot that Windows users gotta worry about battery life on laptops. :P

[static solar]

I should convert my school laptop to Linux

[barren shale]

i mean not only battery wise

it starts really fast

rider takes like 20 secs for me to start getting intellisense

vscode takes 2 secs or something

just how long the typescript language server takes

[static solar]

Rider is like 8 seconds max

[barren shale]

sure on your 3 files project

not on speciesbox 2 codebase

[static solar]

Oh true

[barren shale]

it takes me like 40 secs before i can start coding on speciesbox codebase

[static solar]

Just use fewer files :P

[barren shale]

its 15k lines of code rn

so fewer files would make it too chaotic

[static solar]

And make better code

Ez

Buy my courses

For more life hacks

[barren shale]

sounds like a scam

[prisma grail]

Idk, it's only like half than that on my KeyMods project, and I think you saw that that also contains quite a lot of lines.

[prisma grail]

[barren shale]

stuff

[prisma grail]

You sure like to do stuff in commits.

[barren shale]

i do lots of stuff

[static solar]

Best commit 2024?

[barren shale]

here's the top 8 commits of 2024

[static solar]

Stuff

You do a lot of stuff

[barren shale]

this is a speciesbox commit

[prisma grail]

Btw, does vscode offer any shortcuts/UI for changing solution/project settings/building/linking C# files/etc, or do you need to do that sort of stuff via the .net CLI and/or editing of .csproj files?

[barren shale]

1500 changes

[barren shale]

i dont use vscode for C#

rider for C#

[prisma grail]

He clearly likes stuff.

[barren shale]

vscode for typescript

[prisma grail]

Ah, ok, you had me jumpscared for a sec because you drew that comparison. xD

[static solar]

You had me worried

[barren shale]

i tried vscode for C# for a while

but i prefer rider for the extra stuff

[prisma grail]

Was about to call a mental health emergency hotline already.

[static solar]

I did that when I made the switch to Linux

[barren shale]

i mean it is viable for low battery situations

especially on big projects

you wont get the best intellisense though

[static solar]

I had to jump through so many hoops to get it to work

And when it worked it was just unpleasant to use

So I used Rider instead

[barren shale]

hmm?

how long ago was that

cuz the C# extension released last year made it super ez

you just install it and that is it

[static solar]

Oh no, I couldn‘t use that

Because VSCode is not Linux compatible

[barren shale]

wat

[static solar]

There is a port for it, but it lacks most addons

[barren shale]

vscode is

vscode runs on anything

its written in javascript

it runs on chromium

[static solar]

Perhaps I was just stupid, I will look at my setup when I am home

But I‘m heading to my internship rn

[barren shale]

its built with electron

[prisma grail]

You sure that you're not talking about Visual Studio?

[barren shale]

yeah you are probably talking about visual studio

which doesnt have a linux version

or a mac version

[static solar]

I‘ll look into it

[barren shale]

rip vs for mac

[prisma grail]

And not even a mac version anymore because everyone hated it so much.

[static solar]

But my bus just arrived

Bye bye

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-chat-chat-big-chungus-gif-19739716

[prisma grail]

Yup, it'll be missed by everyone except for C# coders with a brain.

[prisma grail]

Bye!

[barren shale]

yeah they dropped it and made the vscode extension better

[prisma grail]

Tbh, unless literally every WorldBox modder in existence is screwing up the setup of C# extensions, I can't imagine it to be that good.

Because it seems to not do stuff like creating a solution/project, and literally just doesn't do anything at all if that isn't set up, seemingly not even very basic detection of syntax errors.

[barren shale]

you can use the cli to create a solution ig

[prisma grail]

Well, yeah, but you think that the average WorldBox modder still using NCMS can do that?

[barren shale]

damn you guys are that stoooopid?

[prisma grail]

I could rant about the coding competence, or lack thereof, of the average NCMS using modder for days on end. IwI

[barren shale]

NCMS is cool (i've never used it)

😎

[prisma grail]

You'd hate yourself for saying this if you did use it.

[queen zodiac]

Agreed

[opaque ingot]

How the hell does this work..

if(user == "login" || user ==  "Login")
            {
                Console.WriteLine("Input your name's account");
                user = Console.ReadLine();
                
                if(user == user && atm.Name != atm.Name)
                {
                    Console.WriteLine($"{user} does not exist, Try again");
                    user = Console.ReadLine();
                    if(user == user && atm.Password != atm.Password)
                    {
                        Console.WriteLine($"{user} incorrect password, Try again");
                        user = Console.ReadLine();
                    }
                }

[static solar]

What is wrong with NCSM?

[prisma grail]

For starters, one of it's features is a on runtime dynamically generated Mod object that is impossible to detect by IDEs.

[orchid frigate]

Im guessing there are two user and two atm variables if c# allows that

and this is about the worst way you could mess up naming variables

[static solar]

Damn

Annoying

[orchid frigate]

wait you cant have two variables because the first one would be redefined

then unless there is some weird c# feature im missing it doesnt work at all

[lapis flint]

The idea was to reduce modding entry threshold, because the part where you need to install the ide and create a solution is really threshold for many possible modders, so thats why it was planned to make it work trough vscode and notepads, but yes, it could be better to make it work as vs solution too

That virtual mod class was bad idea

[prisma grail]

Well, yeah, but the only things that's really required to allow those sorts of people to code is to just do the compile step for them.

[lapis flint]

I was experimenting with new things for me and didn't thought about usability for people who knows how to work with code correctly

[lapis flint]

I meant my view on it was fogged with one way of usage

[prisma grail]

I mean, I do have to say that the thought of just manipulating code like that during compilation is fun.

For the dev coding it, that is.

[lapis flint]

Ye

I even named it for error as HIDDEN_THING_YOU_CANNOT_FIND_IT.cs

[prisma grail]

I did have quite a good laugh when seeing this is NCMS source code, to be fair. xD

(I once looked into NCMS mod compilation pretty closely because I wanted to try Harmony patching it to be multi threaded.)

[lapis flint]

Is it possible?

[prisma grail]

I couldn't get it to work because of the mods window stuff.

Running constructors for GameObjects outside of the main thread makes Unity throw an exception.

[lapis flint]

i mean just for harmony, not ncms related

Wait, aren't unity's GameObjects shouldn't have constructors?

[prisma grail]

Well, yeah, generally, it's possible to change code to use multithreading with Harmony, though it often requires code changes so extreme that you'd probably end up doing it with a prefix that skips the original.

[prisma grail]

I wasn't calling the constructor directly, of course.

But whatever method you were using.

That at some point constructed it.

Caused an exception.

Because of some Unity method being invoked outside of the main thread.

It's just some restriction they put in place, presumably because they were too lazy to make the code thread safe.

[lapis flint]

Wait, but can't you make default GameObjects's methods async so in general it will work async, just object will be on main thread

I mean, if they already done as async by game's dev, it will be possible i guess

i don't remember how async works in unity

There were limitations

[prisma grail]

Aren't async and multithreading very different things?

[lapis flint]

iirc

[prisma grail]

They at least were when I used async in Python.

Idk about C# tbh.

[lapis flint]

I am not sure

[prisma grail]

Yeah, I also recall Hamza haven't said before that async code works fine without needing to be thread safe.

[lapis flint]

Hmm, i always understood that concept incorrectly

[prisma grail]

Ah, I see. Nice that I was able to help clear that up!

[lapis flint]

Never worked with threads, i thought its just more powerful way for async, and that async is a paralleling

[prisma grail]

Ah. I use threads a lot, never really used async before until Python forced me a week ago.

Even when I coded the networking in KeyGUI, I did it synchronously in a separate thread.

[barren shale]

Async is not parallel

Async runs on a single thread

It just switches between different parts of the code

You choose when you want it to switch by yielding

await Task.Yield()

Or by awaiting something that takes time like an HTTP request or some IO operation

[quartz pumice]

async is threads but in python instead of the os

[barren shale]

[feral bramble]

tf is that supposed to mean

[lapis flint]

He meant that async is a thread, but virtually, inside execution environment, while just threads are on cpu

[feral bramble]

Ah

[barren shale]

which is still wrong

threads in programming do not run on different physical threads

[lapis flint]

What

[barren shale]

you can create 2 threads and the os can run them on the same physical thread

yeah idk why they called them threads

people confuse them with actual physical threads on the CPU

it is running synchronously because i never yielded

[prisma grail]

To elaborate, they can run on different physical threads, you just don't have control over if they do or if the scheduler treats them differently (I'm at least pretty sure that's how it works).

[barren shale]

yielded after "WORLD"

"DONE" gets printed before "!!!!!!"

as you can see async runs on a single thread and just switches to a different "context" when you yield

[lapis flint]

No, i understand that it is not same as physical threads, but i thought it is still cpu management

[barren shale]

well the OS should run it on the physical thread with the least usage

which can be the same physical thread

[queen zodiac]

first time I don't see the messiest code ever in this channel

[opaque ingot]

Nah I already fixed it, my dumbass brain was not braining

User in the if statement was the problem, whenever I Input incorrect user name in login then input again instead of incorrect name it'll output incorrect password

[north dune]

async is another label/goto confirmed

[quartz pumice]

Very well. ```c
// get x pages (and resize)
static void *mempage(int pages) {
uint64_t loop=0;
void *start;
int allocated = 0;
do {
if (memory_map[loop].type==0 && (uint64_t) start == 0) // set start to the first free block in path
start = (void ) (loop4096);
if (memory_map[loop].type==0) allocated++; // check if the next block is free
else {start = (void *) 0;allocated = 0;} // if the next block si not free, reset start and allocated

loop++;

} while (loop < memorysizeblocks && allocated != pages); // until goal, or out of memory
if (allocated != pages) start = (void *) 0;
return start;
}```

[prisma grail]

[supple kiln]

reached my weekly replit AI quota who will tolerate my shitty javascript questions now

[errant trail]

i think i have the messiest one

but i deleted it

its in js btw

[barren shale]

chatgpt?

also dont use javascript

[supple kiln]

I only know Javascript and a little python, and was coding a discord bot

[barren shale]

learn typescript

very similar

way better

i can teach you for the low price of $20/hr

[supple kiln]

Can typescript be used for discord bots? If so epic

[barren shale]

typescript is javascript but with types

[supple kiln]

Interesting

[barren shale]

let i = 10;
console.log(i);

[supple kiln]

Anyway never made an account

[barren shale]

this is javascript

let i = 10;
console.log(i);

this is typescript

[supple kiln]

Where colors go :(

[barren shale]

colors are there your discord is bugged

but yeah you have to do some extra stuff sometimes

like in function you have to specifiy the type of each parameter

[barren shale]

function Add(x: number, y: number) {
  return x + y;
}

you can also specifiy the return type, if you dont its gonna do it for you though

function Add(x: number, y: number): number {
  return x + y;
}

[supple kiln]

Cool cool

[barren shale]

So now if you do

let str = "Hello";
let y = 5;
Add(str, y);

its gonna give you an error

because str is a string and the first parameter should be a number

very kewl

[supple kiln]

I like it

Anyway yeah never made an openai account, I would but the fact it asks for my phone number is ridiculous

[barren shale]

not really

millions of users

you dont want people to create multiple accounts

[supple kiln]

Not gotten a single spam call on my 3+ year phone number i intend to keep it that way

[barren shale]

i dont think signing up to websites like this gets you spam calls

signing up to websites gets you spam calls

but companies like openai will get sued if they share your number without you letting them

[supple kiln]

If openai was still a non profit I would give it

[barren shale]

if openai was still a non profit you wouldnt be able to sign to chatgpt since it wouldnt exist

[supple kiln]

Pretty much, I could see them charging for api calls but not the subscription bs

Anyway it's pretty late for me gn all

[queen zodiac]

Mhh, still not that messy

Ok, nevermind

[errant trail]

typescript will require extra boilerplate but great for keeping every value type consistent

a

[barren shale]

i wouldnt call it boilerplate

typescript saves you a lot of time when you have more than 5 files

javascript is hell when there's a lot of files

especially if you are working on someone else's code

[errant trail]

true true

[orchid frigate]

Used my phone number for ridicilous shit

never gotten a single spam call

I think it aint about the number I think its just a grudge against openai

[quartz pumice]

Hides the pain

It's relevant because Adam is the name of a few things

[queen zodiac]

This ain’t a freedom school

Where’s our freedom

🛢️ 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅

[brave garden]

Does bro actually think that openai are going to sell his number

wait this isn't general

mb

[opaque ingot]

Should I learn xaml or gui

[barren shale]

neither

dont make apps with these

[quartz pumice]

All we need is guns and God

[queen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/granger-smith-earl-dibbles-america-gif-13831121

[quartz pumice]

Sunday school is Christian daycare I think 💀

[wet girder]

XAML is used for windows UI development. Especially native

[barren shale]

Yeah I know

I’ve used it

I didn’t like it

[wet girder]

Bro wpf is gonna be my life for 4 fuckin months

I'm a week into it and so far I'm confused af of what's going on

I've written like 3k lines of code in that time, mostly copy paste tho

[wet girder]

https://youtube.com/shorts/TwXu4cJ9pCY?si=LgV18JuBp7zuq0k-

[distant wraith]

Ruff is stealing Black's job

[quartz pumice]

Why do java devs wear glasses?

Because they cant C#.

[queen zodiac]

ahah 😐

[quartz pumice]

whenever I make a function static its optimizing the whole function out

like its literally removing the function and then trying to go there and triple faulting (how?)

oh nvm its not trying to go there it also optimizes out everything that uses the function

[sullen steeple]

hello coding chat

i am here to take out my angers and frustrations of c++

and s f m l

the most important part of it is the fml ong 🙏

because i want to fucking die after trying to set this up

ok bye

nevermind i am back

yeah uh so can someone help me frfr

oh yeah one of the errors is just "you have 81 other errors"

ok i deleted a random project configuration file and that fixed it

of course

i dont

i dont even know what i did

god forbid i try to run it a second time

[fervent umbra]

Coding is kinda lame tbh

Like

Get a life

[barren shale]

Skiing is kinda lame tbh

Like

Get a life

[fervent umbra]

To each their own opinion

[feral bramble]

:(

[static solar]

Gambling is kinda lame tbh

Like

Get a life

[queen zodiac]

Living is kinda lame tbh

[placid crystal]

LOL!!

[barren shale]

Without coding you wouldn’t be able to go on discord

Without skiing you would be able to go on discord

Coding > skiing

[rose pawn]

thats like saying

without world War 2 u wouldnt have discord

[barren shale]

Not really

Skiing is a hobby

Coding is a job

[frosty jackal]

skiing can also be a job

what you might mean is the difference between the importance of working in the entertainment and the tech industries

[tropic dagger]

you come into my house, antagonize me without provocation and call me lame

[opaque ingot]

Honestly, hes just tryna do rage bait

[tropic dagger]

I know 💀

[opaque ingot]

Just tried html and css today

After 1 hour trying why my text size not adjusting turns out i was using height instead font size💀

[distant wraith]

Writing HTML and CSS is pure boredom and frustration

I never understand how someone can sit for more than 10 minutes through it and actually make something good looking from it

[opaque ingot]

L im trying to make portfolio as a practice and this is the result

Not done yet tho

I forger what words should I put inside the web

[opaque ingot]

So far the only frustration I get from css is not remembering wtf does class i made does and not remembering stuff

[orchid frigate]

If you gonna showoff the site to companies use chatgpt or something similar to rewrite the text to something more professional

Preferably tell it its for a professional portfolio

[opaque ingot]

That just test and practice

Is being full stack developer fun?

[hardy spruce]

I want to create an world box mod with 10000x speed

[opaque ingot]

Create it then

[hardy spruce]

i have to learn to program first

[queen zodiac]

Umm... no

[tropic dagger]

good luck 💀

[hardy field]

It will go about as fast as it would at 100x speed

And 100x speed will hardly be faster than 50x speed

Because it doesn't matter how fast you try to push the game, it still has to calculate stuff and no computer can calculate that fast

[queen zodiac]

Don't worry, I have Mappa workers

[lapis flint]

Just found out you can do commits to the past so you can keep github streak even if you missed

[opaque ingot]

So uh

Is there a difference between let and var?

[wet girder]

in JS?

[opaque ingot]

Yah

[wet girder]

This Ig. When I did a course in web development I was told to just not use var

[fervent umbra]

But also tbh to watch skiing u need coding

[barren shale]

i mean it is good to know but you still should just not use var

var is very unintuitive

let is how it works in all languages

console.log(a);
var a = 5;

would print undefined

when

console.log(a);
let a = 5;

would error

because when you use var its defined at the start of the function

var a;

console.log(a);
a = 5;

like this

very stupid

but javascript was made in like a week so yeah

[orchid frigate]

wait so let and var are different in js?

nah thats evil

and incredibly useless

[barren shale]

backwards compatiability

var was made first

and it sucked

[lapis flint]

let was added relatively recently

[barren shale]

but they cant change it

[barren shale]

yeah im talking about the bad design of var

[lapis flint]

Js is a language of god

Thats why we can't understand it

[feral bramble]

JavaScript?

Eh it be fine

[feral bramble]

this be weird tho ig

[distant wraith]

Interesting

I wonder if it's actually that good or just a contaminated mess

[barren shale]

i mean they have infinite data to feed it

billions of messages everyday

[distant wraith]

I suppose

[barren shale]

oh wait claude is not discord's ai

or is it?

what was the discord one called

[distant wraith]

Not this one, no

They have the same name

[barren shale]

ooooooooooooh

that's fucking stupid

[queen zodiac]

Clyde

[distant wraith]

Oh right

I'm stupid

[sullen steeple]

thats clyde 👽

[supple kiln]

i hate javascript but whenever I try another language I just end up back at js and its all I know someone help

[distant wraith]

Literally me and Python

[short chasm]

So uh

How do I make a site people will want to use

How do I advertise

And how do I set up Adsense

[barren shale]

https://youtube.com/@marc-lou

[queen zodiac]

not that they want to use, but that they need to use

[short chasm]

Right, but needing something leads to wanting

[queen zodiac]

promote it on the dark web or smth

always works

[knotty root]

Stop cooking @opaque ingot

[opaque ingot]

I somehow don't wanna learn js because of how much hours I need to watch from tutorials

[supple kiln]

I don't think I've watched a single tutorial, just the grace of stackoverflow and documentation

But I started about 4 years ago and I still have no idea what a library is

[narrow light]

I should have taken your warnings more seriously

[quartz pumice]

Lol

[orchid frigate]

Bro you must have witnessed that term atleast once on stack overflow 😭

[orchid frigate]

Noone wants to learn js and noone wants anything to do with js

Thats just how js is

[frigid cairn]

I’m currently experimenting with unity a similar system to 4d miner but a dimension below; a 2d platformer where you jump on 3d objects in the level that you can rotate along X,Y,Z using the scroll wheel

My current tests are going well, I just apply a collider and are it face the camera, then rotates with the object

Not too many game breaking bugs, a bit of object clipping

[barren shale]

unity 2d physics are trash

do it yourself

dont use unity's physics

[frigid cairn]

I’m aware, made my own gravity and jumping system

[barren shale]

and collisions

[frigid cairn]

Barebones atm but does the job

[frigid cairn]

Yeah, working on it, I’m just using inbuilt physics for my placeholder

This is literally just a square on a cube, proof of concept

[barren shale]

inbuilt collisions are very inaccurate on 2d for some reason

characters always go in the ground a bit

which fucks up movement

[barren shale]

anything with gravity too does that

[hardy spruce]

NCMS not working

[warm condor]

As a practicing modeler I am a spy from far away lands to spy on you coders and scripters

[karmic cave]

Why?

[barren shale]

too problematic

[astral jacinth]

i too code sometimes

[tropic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/son-goku-goku-dragon-ball-z-dbz-thumbs-up-gif-16663418

[last cedar]

I’m starting to code witch language should I start with

I was thinking about doing python but idk if that is a good language or not

Please help me

[orchid frigate]

Any C language

Python is a scripting language so you won't really find much use in it

As a beginner

The top choice would be C# paired with maybe unity if you are interested in game development

[last cedar]

Ok thank you

[quartz pumice]

am trying to mess with opencl

to me it just looks like a fucking mess

I downloaded the sdk, but its incomplete, and has nothing legitimately useful

finally found a sdk

khronos official guide is just a powerpoint

yea htis a fucking 5 slide "powerpoint" in the form of a markdown file

[quartz pumice]

MORE FUCKING POWERPOINTS

[quartz pumice]

theres no fucking

table

[distant wraith]

Almost lost my damn mind trying to figure out why Tailwind font weight doesn't work on buttons

Turns out I forgot to rebuild it

[hollow bronze]

thats because it is

[barren shale]

me when you dont use a framework

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-21335564

[quartz pumice]

I swear most of opencl should be under some abstraction

its so feature rich everything is fucking difficult to use

[brave salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-keybo-lap-gif-19489640

[prisma grail]

I spent the last few hours debugging cryptic C++ code I could barely even understand just to realise that it didn't have any bugs and that my problem was something completely different. TwT

[jovial jackal]

hi, i want to import my python file, but only 1 python file work, why??

[karmic cave]

Bc python for crabs

Use binary code, crab

This is better

Then your craby python

[distant wraith]

Elaborate

[tropic dagger]

Super mega real, absolutely based takes

[tropic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

oops I read it (the file) wrong

okay the file is being read correctly, I'm just not returning the right value

bullshit 😭

I changed one thing and now I'm getting errors in an entirely unrelated portion of code
I fucking love this 😭

the code is executed before what I changed, it operates entirely independently, and it wasn't erroring before 😭

wait why am I getting an access violation at 0 error, the pointer I'm dereferencing isn't 0 😭

wait and the string that just prints (null) does not point to a null string 😭

I'm going to look for the obscure fix to my obscure problem later I'm sick of this 💀

[next lotus]

C#

[dire mountain]

C by far

[queen zodiac]

🥚 Putting it in the fridge

[teal crag]

@vagrant aurora

[barren shale]

very poggly designed language https://gleam.run

overflows and divide by zero dont cause errors is debatable

but everything else is very pog

[prisma grail]

It sure seems nice based on what the main page is saying, though syntax looks a bit funky with stuff like <> and |>.

[barren shale]

its erlang syntax

[prisma grail]

Tbh, I barely know anything at all about what that is.

[barren shale]

<> is for concatenation

|> is for piping which is very pog

imagine in C# instead of doing

Console.WriteLine(Func());

you can do

Func() |> Console.WriteLine

way more readable

first one you have to read from the inside to the outside or you have to add a variable to make it more readable

second example is more intuitive

[prisma grail]

_Omg they made literally everything read like LINQ. _

[orchid frigate]

By the time you render something meaningful in opengl you could learn how to initialize vulkan

And get 27 headaches a day

Just saying

[orchid frigate]

Ngl

Looks absolutely fucking sick

[tropic dagger]

No thanks 💀

[hot furnace]

Better one

[north dune]

https://i.imgur.com/nGeB86F.gif

made an app because i couldnt find one to use

on screen joystick for WASD, this one doesnt even show up until input is going

[barren shale]

noice

[quartz pumice]

poggar

[lapis flint]

Using the same in my game

But it is asset, made not by me

There was a bug which allows movement not in 8 directions, but in any, which makes it more flexible for mobile players and it is not fair by my opinion

[hollow bronze]

based godot user detected

[next lotus]

f#???

how is this possible

[barren shale]

You handle shit correctly on the spot

Instead of nulling and handling the null value later

[next lotus]

but my bool can no longer have 3 states

im gonna shit myself

[lapis flint]

I like to use nulls

[barren shale]

Yeah but nulls cause exceptions

These languages wanna force you to handle everything so crashes become rare

[lapis flint]

I see that c# goes by same way, at least more and more ide warns (which is just disabled)

[quartz pumice]

I would be fine with not having null if there was none 🤣

[narrow light]

My hate for wix grows stronger for each tech lesson

The gods have forsaken me with this laggy confusing platform

Is the easyness worth the ungodly ness of the lag and confusion

[wet girder]

Why would you use wix

[narrow light]

Tech teacher made me

Me and the indian dude begged for html

[wet girder]

You have a bad tech teacher

[narrow light]

The teacher ignored our begging

[narrow light]

Im in the 8th grade so idk

Might just be it would be useless for the others

But why must I be forsaken with this

[wet girder]

My 8th and 9th grade tech teacher taught me html, css and python

[narrow light]

yeah the portuguese school system wants me to fail

why tech teacher why

We spent most of 7th grade on excel

It was

Hurting of my soul

[orchid frigate]

In 8th grade we were learning how to use a fucking browser

But you know the material in the rest of the classes was 4 years ahead of the american schools

Gotta love modern education

[quartz pumice]

"allright guys, let me show you this powerpoint on how to use chrome, which youve been using since probably before you could talk"

[barren shale]

wix should either die or upgrade their tools

things like framer and webflow are way better

and even wordpress is waaaaaay better

[wet girder]

Honestly wordpress is really fucking good if used correctly

Afaik Wix is always just bad

[barren shale]

setting up payment and paying yourself $1000 in test mode is fun

would recommend

[prisma grail]

This is literally me with videogame stuff like save files. Video game devs fr gotta start integrating git into their save file systems. xD

[tropic dagger]

The bottom one is literally me

That's a screenshot from my file explorer give it back

[onyx ginkgo]

I'm trying to find out how to change the 3DS charging port

[barren shale]

hack god's computer and change the source code so your 3ds chargin port is fixed

😎 👍

[narrow light]

bro took changing the source code personally

[onyx ginkgo]

No, seriously

There is a way to change the port

[barren shale]

probably

but this channel is about coding

not fixing 3dss

[tropic dagger]

😭 damn that was rude

[wet girder]

https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/92559/How+easy+would+it+be+to+repair+the+3DS+charge+port

[wicked spindle]

Yeah my 3DS makes a popping sound and the screen flashes for a second

Its cooked 😭😭😭

[barren shale]

you are not allowed to google for people

this chat is now stackoverflow

[quartz pumice]

integrated graphics are so slow a red 480p screen gets only 500 fps

😭

this is the whoel thing too like..

void kernel pixel(global double *x_,global double *y_,global int *im_width_, global struct rgb *im) {
  int id = (int) get_global_id(0);
  im[id].r = 50;
}```

[barren shale]

probably bottlenecked

its not like its using 100%

[barren shale]

when you cant debug on local so you have to keep pushing debugging and changing shit

[prisma grail]

Ah yes, I love me some bog foxes. xD

[barren shale]

the best kind of foxes

[wet girder]

bog fox

[onyx ginkgo]

I want to replace the port with a USB C

[wet girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TaaZng31x4

[onyx ginkgo]

I want to replace the port with a USB C

[surreal garnet]

hey guys

I am doing a programming project at my university and I need to do a survey, it has to do with worldbuilding so it won't be very strange, would you help me by answering it?

h ttps://forms.gle/SLBZUzDF5VS56XtB9

[quartz pumice]

No.

[surreal garnet]

okey :,C

[narrow light]

Unfortunately sending an unknown link in a programmer chat isnt gonna yeld a lot of results

But thats just my oppinion

[quartz pumice]

It's a Google forms link

[narrow light]

Look man Ive been faking knowing how to program for weeks dont blow my cover

[quartz pumice]

Yes, master coder

[narrow light]

Yes fellow coder

[wet girder]

Coding is the most annoying part of software development ngl. I've had to deal with idiotic WPF shenanigans for a couple weeks and no end in sight

[quartz pumice]

Lol

Yeah I swear, everything Khronos has made could have been a million times simpler

[narrow light]

I want to kill microsoft teams

[quartz pumice]

It fucking opens every time I open computer

Wth was that

[narrow light]

Oh no not what I mean

I mean its new reading assignement feature Is shit

I spent 10 minutes on a word

Because it said I was reading wrong

[static solar]

WPF?

Isn‘t that incredibly old?

I thought it‘s usage is getting faded out

[static solar]

Teach me your ways, master

[narrow light]

Im master coder nekcrop

And my ways are defenitely coding

And im very good at it

[quartz pumice]

wpf: lets use xaml for rendering, should be fast

[wet girder]

Well it's not new but it's still the best choice for some UI development on windows

[static solar]

But it’s not cross-platform, right?

[wet girder]

Nope, Avalonia makes it cross platform tho

[static solar]

Avalonia is poorly documented, though

Although the XAML is very similar to WPF XAML

So I guess experience carries over

[barren shale]

it is when you use things like WPF

not really when you using good languages

[grand topaz]

Hey, just a beginner's question

Is android studio the most easiest IDE to use?

[barren shale]

as long as you are not using eclipse you are doing good

[grand topaz]

I use netbeans for back end in web dev

Or vs

Eclipse is so meh

[narrow light]

I recomend 0,255,255 instead of cyan

very good colour

[distant wraith]

Gemma is a damn joke

They fed it too much stupid juice

Even if that's true, at least I'd expect it to tell me why in more detail. It's almost like it's making fun of me for being curious

[low relic]

Hey coders

What is "win32: harhar miner"

[next lotus]

thats from an antivirus

you just had a bitcoin miner

[empty moon]

Congratulations 🎉👏 a Bitcoin miner

[wet girder]

I have a love hate relationship with git. I could not live without it, makes version control so convenient but at the same time it can be the most frustrating thing ever when you gotta do something more complex (I might just suck at using it)

[quartz pumice]

Lol

[barren shale]

its just stupid how we are stuck to these very old standards because no one is brave enough to change

everyone was like GC or no GC until rust came and made ownership & borrowing which is as fast as no GC but as memory safe as GC

programming language design is always the same shit too

most languages look the same

[tropic dagger]

wha

[half hedge]

I'm Emperor X

[static solar]

Just realised the C: drive looks like an emoticon and I cannot unsee it now qwq

[prisma grail]

It's good that I don't use Windows. IwI

[static solar]

What are using that your drives are not named??

[prisma grail]

MacOS?

[static solar]

Oh

Yeah don't know anything about Mac

[prisma grail]

Fair.

[barren shale]

Mac🤮s