⌨coders-cave

[hollow bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-he-doesnt-know-pepe-gif-14019260

the bugs are features

additions even

now i gotta ask do you guys do

//comment here

or
// comment here

[frosty jackal]

god the second one

first one is for madmen (like cody)

[barren shale]

@hollow bronze if you’re free to help with SB 2 let me know

I need help but I can’t find good programmers who are willing

[hollow bronze]

yeah ill catch you after my 4th bg3 playthrough

[barren shale]

[hollow bronze]

itll be another few months

you see my problem is that I would want SB2 to be in the way i want it

[barren shale]

Can’t cuz it’s gonna be the way I want it smh

[hollow bronze]

this is the trouble with working on projects that you have self investment into

[barren shale]

I mean base what I want on actual game design

[frosty jackal]

did nikon make sb 1

[hollow bronze]

yeah

[barren shale]

Yeah

[frosty jackal]

like 100% of it

[hollow bronze]

afaik

yes

[frosty jackal]

and now you want to make a second version

[barren shale]

I mean I kinda made lots of bug fixes in the end

[hollow bronze]

the thing I want is to have actual map with kingdom and borders (worldbox but its a competitive PvP)

[barren shale]

Added taxes

[hollow bronze]

bro is now red

[barren shale]

Oh I leveled up

[hollow bronze]

evil hamza

[frosty jackal]

ascended past my being

[barren shale]

I’ll show you what we have

[frosty jackal]

farewell druid

[barren shale]

It seems similar to this

When I’m back from uni

[hollow bronze]

i think my level is frozen

or wait i left so it removed that

damn

i wanna be purple

[frosty jackal]

i never had a choice

i came back and they made me green

[barren shale]

I was alien

[frosty jackal]

oh

well this is awkard

[hollow bronze]

slip the admins a 20 and they'll make you whatever role you want

[frosty jackal]

cheaper than an unban

[hollow bronze]

unban is easy

just make an alt

[frosty jackal]

fr

[hollow bronze]

they dont care about pissman72

pissman73 can walk in like they own the place

[hollow bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/manual-trump-howto-gif-10474459

I had an idea that isnt economically a good one

actually it can be a good idea

quick lock it in the vault

[frosty jackal]

LMAO

[torpid isle]

who does this

genuinely who does this

[prisma grail]

Idk, clinically insane people Ig.

[torpid isle]

are you part of said clinically insane people

[young flume]

uh

[prisma grail]

Not because of that way of writing comments. :P

[barren shale]

accept za friend request

[torpid isle]

hamza with demon role will take a while to get used to

[barren shale]

imagine what its gonna look like in 5 years when i have the next role

[barren shale]

or add me as a friend

[feral bramble]

Wait since when was Hamza demon

[feral bramble]

ah

[static solar]

Unbearable

[royal dust]

guys how cursed is 40g ram

32g ddr5 ram

plus 8g ddr5 ram

[brave salmon]

Want a bible verse generator I made that also has my favourite prayers?

[royal dust]

this is a laptop

[brave salmon]

Here

[barren shale]

APIs crying in the corner

[brave salmon]

I got too confused trying to do an API thing

I made it using CHATGPT

idk how to code... i learned a bit tho and did add some thing manually tho

[native solar]

L

[stoic citrus]

im gonna be replaced by chatgpt

[orchid frigate]

Skill issue

[orchid frigate]

Mf give me some

Im still running with 8gb ddr3 ram

[stoic citrus]

real

ai overlords

[orchid frigate]

Opening a browser is an entire adventure bro and I still somehow play squad

[humble wasp]

how

[barren shale]

really slowly

[royal dust]

Nah get your own

[brave salmon]

Anything that involves coding or programming will be replaced by AI

They are faster and smarter. Mf made that entire script in like 6 seconds for me

[cinder flame]

You'd still have to have humans workin to debug the code...

[cinder flame]

and this

[cinder flame]

tf

[young flume]

unreal

[tender hedge]

You mean the game engine?

[tender hedge]

I’m assuming you mean the game engine

[tender hedge]

It’s gotta be the game engine

[young flume]

☠️

Cambridge dictionary

[noble lagoon]

Real

[wet girder]

I am a professional software developer and this is simply not true. Coding is the easy part of my job and the only part of my job AI has any chance of being able to do. It's way more complex to create and maintain actual software than to just write code. And even the writing code part AI can't currently do, it cannot comprehend the whole software thus cannot create any code so I gotta code myself and I use AI to help me but it usually just slows me down

[barren shale]

It is true

It’s just not coming as fast as people think it is

AI will eventually replace all jobs

[wet girder]

I highly doubt it but we'll see

[barren shale]

In theory AI really has no limits just like humans

But it’s way faster than humans

[still bramble]

It is technically limited by hardware

[barren shale]

As I said in theory

In theory hardware is unlimited

[wet girder]

I've been at work for for 7.5 hours now and I've not written a single line of code so far and will not be writing a single line today

I'll be stuck at the office for 1.5 hours more minimum

fun

[prisma grail]

Then what do you have to do there? xD

[wet girder]

I submitted a couple PRs and reviewed a couple PRs (This took a painful amount of time because there were some controversial changes and the senior devs started a long ass argument about), meetings, test tickets, I released a new version of a Nuget package and tested some stuff and of course some debugging for issues that are happening in production

Oh yeah and I sent a couple emails about stuff

The sprint ends tomorrow and I've done all the coding for this sprint and probably next sprint so I just do stuff like this for some time

[orchid frigate]

prs on what bench press squat...?

[orchid frigate]

For me its the opposite

anyone doing anything high level especially front end willingly has to have some issues

[hollow bronze]

the comprehension of your proprietary code or whatever is a near future solved kind of thing

longer context lengths, and faster training will help that sort of thing as far as adding to your existing code

Mostly you'll probably get to a point where you use it to set bare bone structures to work with (that would otherwise be tedious to make) and then you yourself fill in the more complicated logic. Or you simply guide it along the format and way you want it to be setup

Comprehension and ability to more complex things is also something that will improve by time, but I think arriving the best solution (completely on its own) is a lot harder in this scenario for an AI. So probably wont be a takeover relatively soon just yet. Trying to guess how the tech will be many years in advance is a fool's errand

[nocturne rune]

We can already kind of anticipate how tech will be in the future. Things have been evolving rapidly over the last decade or so and doesn’t look like its gonna stop. AI is a thing now that was probably not thought of daily in 2010s and AI has caused school boards to change their curriculums and even enact restrictions of it. I can’t guess that AI will take over any time soon but I will say it has already started its conquest.

If AI does get too out of hand people will start probably start to take action in forms of protest. But to say it’s a “fool’s errand” to anticipate is inexact. Actually I think big industries and corporations should take these things into consideration before putting AI to work.

[hollow bronze]

I cant be bothered to write terms in exact, it'd take too long

But the further you go in time its much harder to accurately predict anything

In the context of Jupe's job, even if you were inside of OpenAI or Microsoft or whoever else, they themselves dont know what the capabilities will be in 10 years with accuracy

For that specific case

If we thought it'd blow up the way it did, we wouldn't have the situation we're in, but thats because no one was expecting it to do so

You need preparation but you also have to learn to take the punches as you go, there will definetly more things to blindsight us

[left leaf]

least the pay is good right?

[mortal magnet]

Hello dear Coders!! I finally wanna learn coding but I do not know where to start.

Can anyone suggest or recommend me programming languages I should start with?
Any sites that are good for learning coding that I could use or sites that allow me to learn?
Any advices?

I like to hear all of it!! Thank you 🙂

[barren shale]

I would start with thinking what I want to code, each language has its strengths and weaknesses, knowing what you want to do will let you select the best language for the job

languages are quite similar and once you learn one it won't be as hard to learn others

so yeah just think of what you want to do and i'm sure the people here will let you know what is the best language for it

[jolly field]

I personally would start off with this coding website below as it helped me become a better coder, it’s pretty much free and offers tools that are both fun and informative to learn and use on your journey to become a coder it has multiple languages that are offered.

http://www.kidlocoding.com

[wraith ibex]

Could start with python that a safe start but Like the person below you said, it really depends on what you want to do with that decides what you learn.

[barren shale]

There isn’t really a safe start

Because there isn’t a not safe start

Everything has its use

Some of the common “genres” are:
Native Apps
Websites/Web Apps
Game Development
Tools

Of course these have subcategories but choosing one of these can give you a general idea of what language you might wanna start learning

[mortal magnet]

I wanna start with something "easy". Such as a Worldbox mod, a small discord bot, maybe a site or an app.

[mortal magnet]

I see, Thank you! I add that to the list of sites I have.
The more tools the better. Thank you Zeivt!! 😄

[mortal magnet]

Fair enough yeah. I do kinda got a direction I wanna go to. Kinda got a checklist for that so I wanna probs start with a Worldbox mod, then a Discord bot and after that a site or an app.

[barren shale]

For worldbox mods you need to use C# since that’s what worldbox is made with

For a discord bot I would go for Python or JavaScript to start with but any language technically can work

For websites you have to learn html and css first which are not really programming languages

And then JavaScript

[barren shale]

These two are used to build the visual side of the website

JavaScript is used to build the logic for the website like what happens when you click a button, etc…

[mortal magnet]

I see I see. well since I want to start easy I will probably start with C#, and eventually built my own Worldbox mod. and from there move down the list, to Python - and create my own discord bot, then html and css, and after that Java to eventually have my own website.

[wet girder]

JavaScript

not Java

2 different languages

[mortal magnet]

those are DIFFERENT!!??

WHAT

I thought it was just the longer name 😭

[wet girder]

You're not the first lol

[mortal magnet]

what even is the difference between those? cuz their both from Java right??

[prisma grail]

(To be fair, I'm pretty sure that they only called it JavaScript specifically because they wanted to leech off of the Java bandwagon. :P)

[wet girder]

Java is quite close to C#, JS is very different. It's interpreted and loosely written instead of compiled and whatever the fuck the opposite of loosely written was

[prisma grail]

Nope, they're totally unrelated, by different companies, and serve completely different purposes. Stuff like their typing systems are also fundamentally different.

[wet girder]

Once you learn some coding you'll notice just how different they really are

[mortal magnet]

Damnnn. Thats so confusing though. Couldnt they gave it a different name D:

[wet girder]

So basically the creators of JS wanted to capitalize on the popularity of Java

[mortal magnet]

Damnnnnn. Java never thought of suing them for that??

[next lotus]

java and

c# in the same sentence??!?!?!?!?!!??! 😡

java has no right to be in the

same sentence as c#

[barren shale]

javascript is jit mostly

its no longer interpreted

[wet girder]

ah good to know

[fringe zodiac]

Anyone know of any good background removers?

Im trying to make gifs for a server bit all the things I’ve tried completely fail

[next lotus]

removebg google it

[quartz pumice]

Green screen?

[swift sand]

https://tenor.com/view/coding-kira-lena-urzendowsky-how-to-sell-drugs-online-fast-hacking-gif-17761682

[quartz pumice]

how do I change the color of TODO 😭

its the same color as pass and my eyes skip over it

[wet forge]

🤨

[barren shale]

you are not supposed to look for your todos

there should be a place that tells you about them

[quartz pumice]

Ok

[next lotus]

why is my man writng javascript code to redirect http requests to https while writing c++ code for keyboard hook on the right side

[lapis flint]

Git just removed uncommitted code for which i worked all day because of merge conflict
Mb it is not git, mb vs acted like that

But i was lucky enough to have temp folder on hdd, which means i can restore file using some soft

And i restored, but wtf, why files was removed without any changing or history

This is insane that visual studio still doesn't have files history

[static solar]

Visual Studio L 😔

[barren shale]

never merge before comitting

or stashing at the very least

so many problems can be caused its so stupid and unclear

[next lotus]

guys

unfork all your github forks

[jaunty latch]

NOOO

[jaunty latch]

Average python user

Use custom ide or whatever it’s called

Edit I

[wet girder]

Why

[serene glacier]

So this is where all the coding nerds hide, right?

[lofty phoenix]

Quick! Everyone! Hide!

[lapis flint]

No, they are hide in #🔧modders-bay

[serene glacier]

I currently have a problem

Please don't laugh at me

But

I'm having an issue with HTML in notepad++

So

Why is this orange line on the side going all the way down from the hyperlink "a" tag to the "div" tag?

I have no idea about HTML or CSS, I'm a 9th grader

Please make my life easier

[lapis flint]

Show the result please

[serene glacier]

This random bullshit

The whole text is just a link

A red link

[lapis flint]

Oh, understood what you asked, its not about html

[serene glacier]

I made the links red

[lapis flint]

Your second and third a tag

not closed

[serene glacier]

Oh

The tutorial guy pranked me

[lapis flint]

And first link is incorrect

[serene glacier]

I guess

[lapis flint]

<a class="" href="">Home</a>

[serene glacier]

Ah

Thank you

Oh my God it's finally fixed

I can sleep now

[trail cove]

Anyone here know python?

[kindred matrix]

Nikon is still alive in some part of the server huh

[lapis flint]

Yes

[knotty root]

yo guys

[young flume]

hello GTA character

[knotty root]

im a coder

named Rickie

[young flume]

I though you're martin

[knotty root]

i (worked) in lifeinvader

[young flume]

so real

have you sending a friend request to niko bellic yet

[knotty root]

who

[young flume]

that Yugoslavian blud in liberty city

[knotty root]

okay

[hushed basalt]

Đây là đâu

Tôi là ai

Đmm

Cho t link map

Để t tải

Nhưng t dùng ios

[knotty root]

speak english plz

[hushed basalt]

Ko tải đc

Đeow

Đéo

[knotty root]

vietnamese dude

[hushed basalt]

English là cc gì?

Nhầm kênh

[young flume]

you cannot use map in ios and please talk in English

[hushed basalt]

Tôi ko bt nói tiếng english

[knotty root]

yo spain dude

[young flume]

better to not talk here then

[young flume]

kind of

wait here @hushed basalt

[knotty root]

i want to have

um

bruh

[young flume]

have what?

[knotty root]

wordblox premium

and the mod got quiet

[balmy sedge]

Ông chịu dùng tiến anh qua google translate được không. Chứ server chưa có chat tiếng việt

[young flume]

ah i see

well

what language do you use

[knotty root]

in wordblox

[young flume]

no i mean as a coder

[knotty root]

Malbolge

[young flume]

okay

[orchid frigate]

damn another malbolge writer

that language bouta blow up at this point

[knotty root]

in roblox

[placid bronze]

Any self taught programmers here?

[lapis flint]

I guess most of people here

Depends on what do you mean by self taught

[placid bronze]

Learning programming through online sources, books, youtube tutorials etc.

[lapis flint]

Yes, so as i said

And me too

[placid bronze]

Know any free coding lessons online?

@lapis flint

[lapis flint]

I used resources on my native language (Russian), idk about english, and its depends on what exactly you need

[placid bronze]

I see

[narrow light]

Do any of you know how to set up a domain because I have been doing some website thingies in html but im not much good

Im not gonna actually set up a website because I have been mainly copying websites off the internet I just wanna know how to put it up

[barren shale]

dont use lessons

just use a one or two to learn the basics

then think fo things you want to do

break them down into pieces and find code to solve each piece

that's the best way to learn practically

using lessons will not give you the ability to solve real problems

the first app i made was a simple console applications that gives you an arithmetic problem and you had to type the answer

it can be broken down to an arithmetic problem generator and then an input checker for the answer as the two main parts

and then you can break these down even more

[barren shale]

i run a website design agency so first you need to buy the domain, https://namecheap.com is the cheapest but its full of "ads" so its kinda annoying to just buy a domain from there, https://cloudflare.com is best but its around $2/year more expensive on average, you can use cloudflare to host your website too for free as long as you dont hit the limit

if youre using different hosting provider and domain provider then you have to link them its really easy and the hosting provider will probably have it documented

[narrow light]

I'l maybe look into cloudflare

isnt that what discord uses

[barren shale]

would recommend

i just bought a domain like 5 mins ago

[barren shale]

yes

cloudflare is also a very cool and transparent company

[narrow light]

so on cloudflare I can buy the domain and host it

?

[barren shale]

yes as long as its a static website

[narrow light]

I dont expect much traffic its not a business website its more kind of like a blog

which I dont expect to pick up nor want to

[barren shale]

should be fully free i think

look into it

[narrow light]

I will

[tropic dagger]

C is so much more fun than C++

I've lived my life believing in a lie

why would I ever use an object to do things automatically when I could manually do everything

This sounds like a complaint but it's not

[orchid frigate]

finally someone with a brain

[tropic dagger]

I will, however, miss my structured bindings and type generic operations

[quaint cobalt]

😞

[ionic jacinth]

make -C src/ clean

clean: make -C src/ clean mv src/a.out . make -C src/

build:
make -C src/
mv src/a.out .

[barren shale]

isnt this the point people say C is better than C++

that its "cleaner"

[tropic dagger]

the syntax sugar can make C++ look cleaner than C, but the reason I prefer C over C++ is that I've become fed up with oop

[barren shale]

writing bad oop code is a skill issue 😎

[wet girder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1963h4k/csharpforgenz/

[jolly field]

Is it better?

[wet girder]

I love the fuck around and find out try catch lmao

[barren shale]

Oh yeah I saw this

Also the ifn’t stuff too 😂

[next lotus]

unfork

[next lotus]

no getter and setter on public variable?!?!?!??!???!

crime

[frosty jackal]

fuck_around and find_out 💀

i want to actually rename it to that

that is amazing

[young flume]

rizz

the rizzler

so skibiti

[quaint cobalt]

Nice

[tropic dagger]

I want to see the world burn.

// dynamic_list.h
#define d_arr_generate(T) \
typedef struct { \
    size_t size, capacity; \
    T* _d; \
} d_arr_##T;\
d_arr_##T alloc_arr(size_t s, T* __init_val) {\
    d_arr_##T _operand;\
    _operand._d = __init_val;\
    _operand.size = s;\
    _operand.capacity = s;\
    return _operand;\
}\
int resize(size_t size, d_arr_##T* container) {\
    ##T* n = (##T*)realloc(container->_d, size * sizeof(##T));\
    if (n == NULL) return 0;\
    container->_d = n;\
    container->capacity;\
    return 1;\
}\
int shrink_to_fit(d_arr_##T* container) {\
    ##T* n = (##T*)realloc(container->_d, container->size * sizeof(##T));\
    if (n == NULL) return 0;\
    container->_d = n;\
    container->capacity = container->size;\
    return 1;\
}\
int append(##T item, d_arr_##T* container) {\
    register int retcode = 1;\
    if (container->capacity == container->size) {\
        resize(++container->size, container);\
        retcode = 2;\
    }\
    container->_d[container->size] = item;\
    return retcode;\
};\

#include <stdio.h>
#include "dynamic_list.h"

// instantiate our pseudo-class
d_arr_generate(char);

int main(int argc, char** argv) {
    d_arr_char str = alloc_arr(14, "Hello, World!");

    printf("%s", str._d);
}

behold, OOP in C

kinda

I couldn't resist the urge to make awful looking code, technically these aren't classes or objects, but it's close enough to make you question. Behavior is technically being abstracted into a data structure and there is technically room for inheritance because the generated type is fully accessible (obviously), although this is really just an abstraction for a dynamically-allocated array, all calls to expand the array must still be done manually

[barren shale]

this is just normal C

this is how you write functional code

you make structs and then you make functions that use these structs

[tropic dagger]

The thing I don't like is the macro function that generates code

It isn't terrible now but it's pretty close

[queen zodiac]

...

[knotty root]

um... bro? i dont know what youre talking about

[tropic dagger]

I just switched from C++ to C as my general purpose shittery language and I wanted to be a dipshit
I hate using macros but I think I see their use case now

I'm going through paradigm rehab

[orchid frigate]

Macros suck in every language

Best thing you can do is never use them

Idek how they work in C and im currently using it as a secondary primary language

[tropic dagger]

Lmao, they're useful if you use them correctly, but tbh I don't see many cases where just using something else would be objectively worse

[orchid frigate]

They are kinda outdated I think atp

Cuz they are super fucking useful in assembly

And then they were transferred to c back when peolle didn't know what the language would become

[tropic dagger]

I wanted to make a type generic array in C without learning how to make an intrusive structure or void*

[orchid frigate]

Then the language grew and they kinda lost their purpose

[tropic dagger]

Also didn't C not have const

[orchid frigate]

Idk I barely ever use it

Even if it didn't I wouldn't notice

[orchid frigate]

Why did you move to C

[tropic dagger]

I started using less and less C++ features in general use, to the point that I was basically writing C code with classes sometimes so I just decided to switch to C, also a lot of the libraries I use are written in C and adapting them for easy use in C++ is getting tiring

[orchid frigate]

Yes but in C yoy gotta write struct when making a structure variable

Which single handedly made me write c code in c++

[tropic dagger]

1. typedef
2. Not a problem tbh

[orchid frigate]

Not whej defining it

When making an instance of initializing it

Idk the terminology

[tropic dagger]

typedef struct {} s_name;

[orchid frigate]

What compiler do you use

[tropic dagger]

gcc and vs

Though I write for a windows machine so usually vs

[orchid frigate]

I havent seen that definition before

[tropic dagger]

I think it's in the standard somewhere

[orchid frigate]

I just do
struct Foo blabla{};
Or something like that I haven't used c in a few months

[tropic dagger]

Lmao, that was one of the first things I learned about C that I didn't know from C++ 💀

[orchid frigate]

If you like C may I perchance interest you in

Rust

[tropic dagger]

No bool was the first

[tropic dagger]

Too ugly, I've considered it though

[orchid frigate]

That was a shock to me tbh because when I learned C I couldn't use the std

[tropic dagger]

Damn

[orchid frigate]

So I was flabbergasted

[orchid frigate]

🥺

[tropic dagger]

Tbh it wasn't that hard to get over

[orchid frigate]

Dont call my baby ugly

[tropic dagger]

Lmao

[orchid frigate]

If I simp for one thing

Its rust

#1 fan of rust

Literally a walking ad for rust

[tropic dagger]

Lmao

I'm a walking diss track against oop

[orchid frigate]

Same but I took it upon myself

In the last week or two to learn

C++ oop or atleast get an idea on it and I can kinda see how its useful in big projects

Structures are definitely my go to for arrangement but classes also have some charm

[tropic dagger]

It is useful, the inevitability is that I will incorporate my C projects into C++

[orchid frigate]

Sad reality 😔

[tropic dagger]

Yeah 😔

[swift sand]

https://tenor.com/view/coding-typing-big-brained-busy-sweating-gif-17808553

[tropic dagger]

The dream

[red vine]

Not reading allat

[hollow sky]

thanks

[grim grail]

Guys technically speaking if i get me thumb or thumb size object stuck in my pc fan how would i get it out via computer hacking because i am unable to move for some reason

Or well hypothetically

[feral bramble]

...

[flat valley]

What

You could maybe turn your fan on but that could make things worse

[south nexus]

The cylinder and the big structure 2.0

[jaunty latch]

Nuclear bomb

And how would a thumb sized object even get stuck, wtf

[raw granite]

What the

[wise wadi]

how do you get kingbox mox

mod*

[raw granite]

Tiếng Anh.

[quartz pumice]

so, if you have solved this hypothetical question:
what if; hypothetically you got a thumb tack sized object stuck in your pc computer, and couldnt move the waist, how would you remove the stuck thumb tack sized object

[quaint cobalt]

Nice

[torpid isle]

i'm going to kill you.

[quaint cobalt]

Oof

[lapis flint]

Yes, #⌨coders-cave usually a place to use bot commands, absolutelly correct

[barren shale]

it only makes sense

[young flume]

don't misuse the command here, there's an channel specialized for it: #🤖bot-commands

[quaint cobalt]

@young flume I don’t see that channel by default

So I need it available or ima have to keep using these chats

[young flume]

you probably haven't choose the option of it in id:customize

[quaint cobalt]

Oof

[young flume]

it's in "Bots Section"

[quaint cobalt]

Got it now

[young flume]

checklist that

nice

[quaint cobalt]

We Gucci

[static solar]

What?

[tropic dagger]

the things I do to get rid of visual studio warnings without suppressing them in the preprocessor

1. this actually makes a warning go away
2. this will not reach the final build
3. setting a nullptr = nullptr still means that I'll be dereferencing a nullptr microsoft
4. the pointer is set to a non-null value in a different function, but intellisense has the object permanence of a toddler

[quartz pumice]

so... You use visual studio?

[quaint cobalt]

[grim grail]

Uh fan has crushed it slightly

[jaunty latch]

Lmao

[jaunty latch]

I am a proud notepad user

[quartz pumice]

yoo

[grim grail]

It's has already been turned on for a while

[jaunty latch]

What’s stuck inside of it?

[quartz pumice]

I remember when I was learning python I would only use notepad because I didnt know what an ide was yet

[grim grail]

And now i can say proudly that i identify as a girl

[flat valley]

bro its been 3 days

[jaunty latch]

I used the python ide.

[flat valley]

what

[quartz pumice]

I hated it

[jaunty latch]

I’m using c# and JS in notepad

!!!!

[quartz pumice]

no way

bro is a daredevil

[jaunty latch]

OH NO

[quartz pumice]

naw, atleast I got mine out

[jaunty latch]

Syntaxing is hell

Especially with c#

[quartz pumice]

never used c#

im afraid of it

[jaunty latch]

lol

[grim grail]

But not that it happened

I just do

Because

[jaunty latch]

Functions are capitalised, variables (and getting the script.parents version of it) aren’t

[tropic dagger]

both fortunately and unfortunately

as a C dev, I hate it. As a C++ dev, I hate it. As an anything dev it makes me unreasonably frustrated, however, for whatever reason I feel an attachment to it, like a toxic girlfriend that you haven't figured out is harmful to your well-being yet

except I have realized and I don't care

it's comforting looking at all the git features I'll never use 💀
plus the solution explorer is brilliant

it also has the most robust syntax highlighting I've ever come across, so I can marvel at my shitty code in full rgb

marvel at the rainbow of bullshit

one day I will clean up this abstraction hell and get rid of the header files I don't need in this file anymore 💀

they're not harmful so they can enjoy their stay for now

[quaint cobalt]

[quartz pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-weird-wtf-wth-tf-gif-23086365

[next lotus]

your mother is hell

c# masterrace

[wet girder]

I've had the complete opposite experience. There's really nothing in Visual Studio that I'd hate, everything just works perfectly. I do C# tho so that might be the difference maker

[spare mirage]

Straight up facts

Especially with C++

[tropic dagger]

Right?

[spare mirage]

I’ve had a good experience with it too, aside from some hiccups with msbuild

But the performance is terrible

Can take 3 minutes to open visual studio

[wet girder]

Never had problems with the performance either but that's because I've used it on super powerful school and work computers and my current computer at home was 1.5k€ so I have always had plenty of power to throw at the problem

[spare mirage]

Oh damn

I used to use visual studio 2013 until January last year

(I’m a source engine modder so that was a requirement)

[wet girder]

I used 2017 at school for a little bit, then used 2019 until 2022 came out and now I've been rocking that

[wet girder]

ah makes sense lol

[barren shale]

i think it is worse for C++

lots of people complain about it

[wet girder]

I've never tried it for C++ tbh. Only C# and python

[barren shale]

but its still one of the best free options

i use rider for C# but that's paid

[spare mirage]

Ewww python

[barren shale]

yeah dont do that

i used vs python for like 2 hours

[spare mirage]

Is there any good reason to use python?

[barren shale]

and then i went back to vscode

AI

[wet girder]

it works perfectly fine

[wet girder]

Data science

[spare mirage]

I tried using python to make a discord bot but that was painful asf

[wet girder]

I own @bitter sedge and it's made in python and it's a constant pain

[barren shale]

small bots: typescript

big bots: C#

ez

[spare mirage]

Yeah JavaScript is superior

[barren shale]

no

typescript

never touch javascript

[spare mirage]

Why

[barren shale]

5 files and then it becomes a mess

you dont have any type

if you forget what a function returns you have to go and read the function code

not typed languages ingeneral are bad DX

typed languages please

[spare mirage]

Is it easy to convert to typescript?

It’s just a modified JavaScript right

[barren shale]

depends

the more files the worse

[spare mirage]

My discord bot uses one .js file but it’s over 4000 lines of code and it creates 10+ jsons to store data

[barren shale]

yeah that's gonna take a while

and why you have one js file

[spare mirage]

I don’t use slash commands

[barren shale]

that is not a reason to split your code

it slows the code editor

it makes it hard to find things

too chaotic

[quaint cobalt]

[quartz pumice]

it only slow for me around 6k line mark

[tropic dagger]

My brother in Christ, 4k lines in one file

[barren shale]

well there are more reasons

slower compile times

CANT FIND SHIT AGAIN

dont know where to place new code, should you keep it in a specific order or is it complete chaos

they made files for a reason

use them

[dusty kernel]

4k lines of code is not much in large projects, but for only one file existing, it is pretty larger

[tropic dagger]

Use several files

[next lotus]

js developer be like

10000 lines in a single .js file

[spare mirage]

In mean I’ve had c++ files in over 20,000 lines

[next lotus]

a common L for functional programming languages

[barren shale]

C++ is oop

[orchid frigate]

:(

[barren shale]

also having 20k liens is not even a common l for functional languages

its a common L for programmer suffering from a skill issue

[spare mirage]

Are there people who actually use notepad to code lmao

[static solar]

My dad

[prisma grail]

_Would you rather see TicTacToe coded in one single line of JS? _

[spare mirage]

Yes

[barren shale]

ew

[spare mirage]

Crazy

[barren shale]

i make a file for everything

sb 2 has like 350 files

[static solar]

He‘s based like that though

[prisma grail]

IwI

[static solar]

Didn’t even know IDE‘s were a thing until recently

[spare mirage]

I use notepad++ which people hate on me for

[barren shale]

i code on word 😎

[static solar]

Entirely self-taught in 19??

[barren shale]

i code on powerpoint 😎 😎 😎 😎

[spare mirage]

I code on discord

[barren shale]

i started when i was 12

[prisma grail]

Honestly, I'm already jealous enough at you getting to make your bot with C# instead of being stuck with a Python codebase. TwT

[barren shale]

i used a language called blitzbasic to make a game back then

[static solar]

14 for me

[spare mirage]

Why would you use C# with a discord bot just use JavaScript or typescript

[static solar]

Started learning Java Script to make bots

[spare mirage]

Stay away from python tho

[barren shale]

https://github.com/HamzaNa1/Acrostic

[static solar]

Want to learn Discord.NET tho

[barren shale]

hamza 7 years ago was a god coder

i didnt even setup a .gitignore

[prisma grail]

I first (if that counts) did stuff in Scratch when I was like 7 years old. First time where I coded with a text based language was when I was like 14.

[static solar]

Scratch was fun

[spare mirage]

Yeah we did scratch in school in the second grade iirc

[prisma grail]

I still remember getting really frustrated at lists because I was trying to use them like a dictionary without even knowing what a dictionary is.

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[prisma grail]

DEAR GOD.

[spare mirage]

Shut

[prisma grail]

STUPID BOT.

[spare mirage]

NCMS python edition when key????

[static solar]

I think the first instance of me doing anything like that was

Minecraft command blocks I think

Exclamation on think

[prisma grail]

@barren shale I'll need to defenestrate you if this bug isn't fixed soon. :P

[barren shale]

i dont work on sb

only sb 2

[prisma grail]

Literally never ever unless you want to end up in the deepest circles of hell trying to do it.

[barren shale]

sb code base is 🤮

sb 2 code base is 😎

sb code base is like 50 javascript files

imagine the chaos

[spare mirage]

Why…..

[barren shale]

ask nikon

[prisma grail]

Ok, how about I rephrase to "if sb 2 does this too, I'll need to defenstrate you". IwI

[barren shale]

i hope he didnt make his new bot in javascript and used typescript

[barren shale]

sb 2 uses slash commands

[spare mirage]

What is IwI?

[static solar]

What even is the difference?

[barren shale]

because the request limits on interactions is better

[static solar]

Heard TypeScript a lot recently

[prisma grail]

You know, considering the glances I've gotten at NCMS source code, I'm not even surprised.

[barren shale]

types make the code 10000000% easier to read

[barren shale]

only nikon understands nikon code

[static solar]

Emoticon ^~^

[barren shale]

idk how it works

my brain isnt big enough

[static solar]

Held together by sheer willpower and magic

[spare mirage]

Ah alright

[barren shale]

meanwhile 10% of the solution explorer when opening like 30% of the folders in sb 2 code base

i hope discord doesnt ban me for making sb 2

im abusing threads to their full limit to make it look like an actual game

[static solar]

Damn, that‘s a lot of files

[barren shale]

i think i can check the total amount one sec

[spare mirage]

You guys should eventually rewrite AMP in a non python language, unless there is data it saves that can’t be moved

[static solar]

My largest bot had like 30‘ish files in total

And then my laptop broke down

[spare mirage]

Yeah my bot is just one messy file

[static solar]

And I lost the source files because I was too stupid to use GitHub

[spare mirage]

The 20 files it generates tho

[barren shale]

i mean its not all code files

but yeah its around 500 id guess

or 400

[spare mirage]

You use slash commands?

[prisma grail]

The code is also bugged in several ways.
My two favorite examples:
The Mods folder is created in steamapps/common on Linux.
The entirety of NCMS crashes if two mods try adding an iamge asset with the same associated path. Which, btw, is happening because at the start of the mod compilation process, he adds values to a dictionary that would result in those insertions causing an exception if the init method is called again, and he then uses the asset paths as a key in a dict, without checking if the key is already present, resulting in an exception that puts NCMS in exactly the broken state of init() being called repeatedly and crashing that was set up at the start.

[barren shale]

this is what happened the last time i clicked reformat

[static solar]

Text commands are dying 😔

[onyx ginkgo]

Let's see how everyone's favorite cave dwellers are up to

[barren shale]

309 file changed

[barren shale]

yeah

[prisma grail]

I was genuinely (not in a good way) amazed by jsut how little had to go wrong for the entire modlaoder to burn itself down like that.

[barren shale]

they are too expensive compared to interactions

also no ephermals

[spare mirage]

I like them better than slash commands, slash commands take more time to set up

[prisma grail]

TwT

[static solar]

Omg yes they‘re the main reason I battled myself through slash commands

They are like super handy

[barren shale]

sounds fun

[prisma grail]

Just attach views to the text command responses, stuff like pressing a button can also give you ephermals.

[spare mirage]

Plus for moderation related stuff, saying -purge 30 is much better than having to go through slash commands

[barren shale]

not if you do it without interactions

like people had to before discord added interactions

[prisma grail]

Fair, the buttons and stuff do use those in that case.

[barren shale]

yeah they do now

[prisma grail]

Obviously.

[barren shale]

you can still do it without interactions though

[prisma grail]

There were buttons before that whole rework?

[barren shale]

which is how i started sb 2 when i was still learning discord bots like 2 years ago

[barren shale]

i think so because there's code for running buttons without interactions

[prisma grail]

I thought you would've had to previously use reactions as a "button".

[barren shale]

maybe idk

but yeah use interactions

they have their own request limit

save your request limits for the actual stuff

you get 5 requests per channel if you dont use interactions 🤮

i wanna see 100 people use sb 2 at the same time

and wait for their interactions to get handled by discord

after 60 seconds

[prisma grail]

Fair, good that my command does everything with them past the initial invocation as a text command.

[barren shale]

because it does so much

[prisma grail]

IwI

[spare mirage]

Key btw what is the stuff you’ve contributed to AMP?

[barren shale]

amp 🤮

[prisma grail]

A lot of different stuff.

[barren shale]

python for a discord bot

big nono

[prisma grail]

Apart from the codebase being in a horrible language, it's great!

[barren shale]

yeah jupe is a pog programmer

i had to help him fix something in amp like 2 years ago

[prisma grail]

Examples are a codebase refactor, stability improvements to some map commands, updating the dtrait/btrait commands, stuff for HP like some curses, the new help message system, some WiP economy stuff, some mod only/admin only commands that I won't name for obvious reasons, just random things like that.

[next lotus]

but look

its not as oop as

[barren shale]

if you dont use oop in C++ its just C with a slower compiler

[prisma grail]

Yeah, I enjoy working with him a lot.

[spare mirage]

Speaking of admin commands, I accidentally removed the permission check for the -kick command in my bot and didn’t fix it until a day later

[prisma grail]

Well, until we manage to screw each other over with git in some way.

[barren shale]

git merges ☕

[static solar]

Chaos ensued?

[prisma grail]

Turns out that we're good at causing merge conflicts.

[spare mirage]

Yep

[barren shale]

i run a small web design agency on the side with a couple of friends

[spare mirage]

Thank fuck the bot crashed 1/2 the time cuz my error handling is broken

[barren shale]

and i manage the projects cuz im the biggest brain 🤓

and i always make sure they work on different files

cuz these merge conflicts man

[prisma grail]

I literally did the same thing for a week with a command for restarting AMP. Luckily, no one noticed before me. UwU

[prisma grail]

Tell that to my work place please. xD

[spare mirage]

Lol

[spare mirage]

I use c++ for making half-life 2 mods and it’s over 20,000 files to compile PER PROJECT

[prisma grail]

It also doesn't help in my case that I do Python with nvim + git terminal commands.

[barren shale]

just push first

and then let the late people deal with the merge conflicts

i let each person work on different branches and then i merge them myself

i'm the one who has to suffer cuz i dont trust them

[prisma grail]

I mean, when working on big stuff, I at least bring up the required brain cells for making a branch for it.

[barren shale]

as you should

deal with merge conflicts at the end

instead of getting 30 of them you get 1

[prisma grail]

Well, funnily enough, there tends to be a difference between what we should be doing and what we're actually doing. :P

[prisma grail]

Yeah, very convenient.

[barren shale]

but still you dont get the merge conflicts as you are working

you jsut get them in the end after you merge the branch

[prisma grail]

Yeah, ofc, and that's highly helpful for keeping me sane.

Which is quite the challenge when working with Python.

Like, I once accidentally, when makign a button, mixed up a parameter order.

Like, I switched up the Button parameter and the Interaction parameter.

And Python just no joke didn't care. IwI

[barren shale]

me when no typed language

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-21335564

[prisma grail]

Saw that the Interaction was getting a Button and the Button an Interaction, and just ignored that and let it all burn to the ground when it resulted ein nonsensical errors later on.

[prisma grail]

I mean, you can specify types.

Python jsut clearly doesn't care.

[barren shale]

but its so much work

[prisma grail]

Even if you do.

[barren shale]

and its not compiled

yeah it will run

because its not compiled

so it will just error when it reaches the line

[prisma grail]

Literal TS moment right there. TwT

[barren shale]

at least you can lint ts files

and find the errors

also ts compile to js

and you can find lots of errors there

i think type errors are found when you compile to js

[prisma grail]

Fair, but I still have quite the distaste for both JS and TS anyways.

[barren shale]

hmm why TS

[spare mirage]

Why

[barren shale]

i understand JS

i guess yeah i could see people hating on TS

because its harder to catch bugs since it doesnt tell you about them

[prisma grail]

Oh, yeah, it's ridiculous that not even at least the IDE or something (this happened back when I was using Pycharm) was like "why are you overriding this method with same named parameters but suddenly different types".

The Python LSP I use in nvim at least actually tries to be strict with types.

Complaining about stuff like when I assume that a Union is one specific type, or that an Optional isn't None.

[barren shale]

This looks like normal typescript right?

export async function ConfirmResetPassword(
    input: z.infer<typeof ResetPasswordSchema>
): Promise<ConfirmResetPasswordError | undefined> {
    const data = await ResetPasswordSchema.parseAsync(input);

    const reset = await db.query.passwordResets.findFirst({
        where: (reset, { eq }) => eq(reset.id, data.id),
    });

    if (!reset || Date.now() > reset.expiresBy) {
        return {
            field: "root",
            message: "An unexpected error occured, please try again later",
        };
    }

    await db.transaction(async (tx) => {
        await tx.delete(passwordResets).where(eq(passwordResets.id, reset.id));

        await tx
            .update(users)
            .set({ password: hash(data.password) })
            .where(eq(users.id, reset.userId));
    });

    redirect("/sign-in");
}

this code is fine right?

WRONG

export async function ConfirmResetPassword(
    input: z.infer<typeof ResetPasswordSchema>
): Promise<ConfirmResetPasswordError | undefined> {
    const data = await ResetPasswordSchema.parseAsync(input); // can error

    const reset = await db.query.passwordResets.findFirst({ // can error
        where: (reset, { eq }) => eq(reset.id, data.id),
    });

    if (!reset || Date.now() > reset.expiresBy) {
        return {
            field: "root",
            message: "An unexpected error occured, please try again later",
        };
    }

    await db.transaction(async (tx) => { // can error
        await tx.delete(passwordResets).where(eq(passwordResets.id, reset.id)); // can error

        await tx // can error
            .update(users)
            .set({ password: hash(data.password) })
            .where(eq(users.id, reset.userId));
    });

    redirect("/sign-in");
}

5 different errors that ts wont tell you about

but tbh C# has the same problem but the exceptions are well documented so you can just hover over the function and see what it can throw

[prisma grail]

Yea, that's kinda my reason. For me, when I use TS, it just generally feels like I'm using JS with a barely functioning bandaid glued on top of it, for lack of a better description.

[barren shale]

export async function ConfirmResetPassword(
    input: z.infer<typeof ResetPasswordSchema>
): Promise<ConfirmResetPasswordError | undefined> {
    try {
        const data = await ResetPasswordSchema.parseAsync(input);

        const reset = await db.query.passwordResets.findFirst({
            where: (reset, { eq }) => eq(reset.id, data.id),
        });

        if (!reset || Date.now() > reset.expiresBy) {
            return {
                field: "root",
                message: "An unexpected error occured, please try again later",
            };
        }

        await db.transaction(async (tx) => {
            await tx.delete(passwordResets).where(eq(passwordResets.id, reset.id));

            await tx
                .update(users)
                .set({ password: hash(data.password) })
                .where(eq(users.id, reset.userId));
        });
    } catch {
        return {
            field: "root",
            message: "An unexpected error occured, please try again later",
        };
    }

    redirect("/sign-in");
}

this is the proper way of writing that function btw

incase someone wondered

[barren shale]

well you are not using typescript's features then

i heavely type my code

makes it a lot easier to write bugless code

[prisma grail]

The one thing that I prefer in Java over JS is checked exceptions. Absolutely love being forced to actually try-catch potential exceptions instead of being screwed b them when they actually happen.

[barren shale]

yup

but i dont like the forceful exception handling

[prisma grail]

To be fair, I also don't use TS too much in the first place. Only when I'm forced to because of school.

[barren shale]

sometimes i want the exception to crash my program

because it is not meant to happen

in java you'd have to chain your functions with throws until your main function

[prisma grail]

Just wrap it in an unchecked exception and rethrow that.

[barren shale]

i dont use java anyway

java is ew

no auto property

its 2024

[prisma grail]

In that case, I still think that that should in some way to be made clear.

[barren shale]

if it is a library then sure

but in sb 2 i just throw the exception

[prisma grail]

_Watch WorldBox and its modders (except for me) also never ever use those. _

[barren shale]

and then if it happens while testing i can see the line

and check it

[barren shale]

why not

wtf

auto properties save you lots of time

and you can add stuff to it like a normal property

[prisma grail]

I'm genuinely clueless. They just never use properties at all.

[barren shale]

wat

[prisma grail]

It's all fields with getter/setter methods.

[barren shale]

that's a property

[prisma grail]

Genuinely feels like I'm using C# to write Java code.

[barren shale]

please use auto properties

[prisma grail]

But it's not using the syntax.

[next lotus]

checked exceptions feel...useless tbh

you're writing double the code lol

anothign thing i hate about c++ and c, you write a header and .cpp file, literally writing double the code

[prisma grail]

Like, don't make me do Actor.data.getHealth(), just give me a C# Health property to access. TwT

[next lotus]

thats why c# better :))

[prisma grail]

I'm talking about WorldBox and modding it rn. That's in C#.

[next lotus]

like jfc, that getHealth and setHealth will contain a single line of code

ye

[prisma grail]

Like, they're using C# without actually using its good features.

[barren shale]

this offends me

imagine this without auto properties

[prisma grail]

Idk, I feel like they're a good aid for actually making my code robust. Because if they're not there, I might just fsr forget about handling an exception, and have that screw me over at some later point.

(For context, exception stack traces in WorldBox modding happening in the source code don't provide line counts.)

[next lotus]

as an abuser of try catch i can confirm

[prisma grail]

It'd be like 4x the line count.

[barren shale]

anyone wanna take sb 2 code base and work on it instead of me

[prisma grail]

Oh, and another thing I absolutely love about C# is LINQ.

Literally the best thing ever.

[prisma grail]

Not under the scenario we're thinking of rn.

[barren shale]

yeah

i fucking love linq

[static solar]

Disclaimer: I am new to C#, so bear with me
Aren‘t auto-properties like
var AutoProperty { get; set; }
Or am I mixing them up?

[next lotus]

yes

that is autoproperty

[prisma grail]

Yeah.

[barren shale]

this is the best linq discovery i discovered last year

you can use this to run multiple tasks at the same time and then wait for them all and get the results

[prisma grail]

Oh god, I just remembered having found that syntax weird when I first switched from Java from C#.

[next lotus]

wtf async in linq does that??!?!?

[barren shale]

yeah

[next lotus]

oh waut

you're doing a .Select x.Result

[barren shale]

make sure you do x.Result though

yeah that will make it sync again

[prisma grail]

That is absolutely great, convenient, and BEAUTIFUL.

[barren shale]

Task.Result waits for the task to end first

[barren shale]

i didnt know that before i learnt about this

[prisma grail]

Java, at the very least, has streams, which (in my opinion) are almost as good as LINQ, only annoying thing is that the methods have names like map()/filter() and that there's more boilderplate (we're talking about Java, after all).

Then, I go to AMP.

Want to do a list thing that I'd usually do with LINQ.

[barren shale]

look at this hot thing

that gives me the ids of all the characters that have the required level to gather

[prisma grail]

Proceed to have a stroke from how awful list comprehension and functools is.

[barren shale]

yeah i dont like the names too

[next lotus]

ef core

[prisma grail]

I could look at and write this sort of code all day.

[next lotus]

pagination in a few lines too lol

[barren shale]

oh yeah yo udont need the async in the select since the function on the right side returns a task anyway

[barren shale]

same

[barren shale]

orm code:

literally every orm code looks like this at this point smh

orms need to be more creative

[prisma grail]

Tbh, never had to do that sort of stuff, had my brain borderline die when I needed to study SQL for a test in school. TwT

[barren shale]

orms make sql super easy

[prisma grail]

What I'm about to say is probably presumably stupid, but why not just use a system like JSON for storing data?

[barren shale]

you dont have to deal with joins

[barren shale]

depends on how much data youre storing

json takes more space

and is slower to retrieve and harder to setup relations with

[prisma grail]

Oh, well, the subject I was referring to is raw SQL.

[barren shale]

raw sql is rare these days

sql dbs are as easy to use as nosql dbs these days

[prisma grail]

God, I hope so, because I'm not enjoying that subject AT ALL. xD

[barren shale]

i feel like mongodb without an orm is harder to use than mysql with orm

[barren shale]

i got a 97 in db back when i had it 😎

[prisma grail]

Ah, that's fair, didn't know that.

[barren shale]

97.5 and it would've been an A+

[prisma grail]

I somehow got 85/100 points on the test after a whole 20 minutes of frantic studying.

(Total grade ended up being a D because I almost failed the theoretical part.)

[next lotus]

raw sql and you're asking for an sqli lol

[barren shale]

i studied at uni for 3 hours before the test

that's it

[prisma grail]

You're clearly more competent at this stuff than me.

[barren shale]

meanwhile almost failing my other classes 😎

[prisma grail]

xD

Tbh, I prioritize my work and free time projects way more than school.

The experience from those feels 10x more valuable than what programming lessons in school teach me.

[barren shale]

i have a final on saturday

im not studying for that shit

[prisma grail]

The last time I learned something new from those was before I started modding WorldBox.

[barren shale]

real

also you can work and make money

[prisma grail]

I probably also wouldn't. I just do more useful stuff, and either get an A if the subject is programming related and not too heavy on theory or a D if it's some subject I'm not a natural at like my native language.

[prisma grail]

Yeah, I'm definitely enjoying both the experience and the salary from my job.

[barren shale]

sadly there are no jobs here that take people without a degree and they have a shitty pay anyway

so i made my own business

i also tutor on fiverr which made me lots of money last year

we do stuff like this https://humnum-restaurant-git-main-deveopixs-projects-6985ad18.vercel.app

[prisma grail]

Like, school only requires us to do 8 weeks of internships before graduating. So at that point, I'll have significantly more work experience than my classmates. Which, as I view it, also makes me pretty compelling as a hire compared to them.

[barren shale]

this is a testing link

[barren shale]

yeah hiring is mostly about experience

[prisma grail]

I was really lucky to get one to, received the offer by a teacher that I had that also had a high ranking position in the company I work for.

He first offered me an internship, then an actual job after he was happy with how I did during that internship.

[barren shale]

pog

these dont exist here sadly

[prisma grail]

Honestly, I can't even comprehend how to make stuff look good like this.

[barren shale]

i livei n syria

so yeah shit is bad

[prisma grail]

Like, I can't for the life of me come up with good looking designs.

[barren shale]

thank you

[prisma grail]

I can do front end stuff if someone else tells me exactly what the result should look like.

[barren shale]

i thought i couldnt

but then i started trying

and i became decent at it

[prisma grail]

But if that's not the case, better lock me into a server room and lemme make some API or something like that.

[barren shale]

i just look at examples and try to take ideas from them

[barren shale]

anyone can do it i was just like you a year ago

just look at other websites and try to copy the base of the ideas

only the base so you have to add your own touch to it

[prisma grail]

I mean, I might give it a shot later, but the thought of needing to deal with CSS is ever so slightly discouraging. :P

[barren shale]

use tailwind

or something similar

never use raw css

its kinda like raw sql

[prisma grail]

My reaction. When I first encountered a problem due to !important.

Was on another level of infuriated.

[barren shale]

i mean you do get long classnames with tailwind but its still so much easier

[barren shale]

oh yeah i got one of these once

shortest tailwind class name ever:

[prisma grail]

Hmm, actually a good idea. I know what it is, but never tried it before.

Past me jsut assumed that it'd be hard to use because you needx to memorize all class names.

[barren shale]

that's not the hard part

the hard part is css

also tailwind docs are very great

[prisma grail]

(Btw, past me was using unconfigured vscode for HTML/CSS. :P)

[barren shale]

i dont think you need any extnesions for these

[prisma grail]

I mean, I'm already used to docs the quality of discord.py, so it'S physically impossible to disappoint me at this point. xD

[prisma grail]

Then I must've straight up screwed up something with vscode back then.

Idk now, because I just use Webstorm.

[next lotus]

noooo

not

tailwind

man tailwind is like inline css

use bootstrap or something at least its more abstracted

[barren shale]

that's why its so good

you need 0 setup

its easy to fuck up

but if you know what youre doing its way better than the alternatives

[prisma grail]

Might as well use some website builder UI or whatever at that point.

[static solar]

I don't know why but this sentence is just so funny to me

[prisma grail]

"the" unity, they say when unity pulled a rather anti dev move last year. Doesn't mean like a good unity to me.

(Just giving my interpretation of how this could be funny. :P)

[static solar]

Sounded to me like they were talking abt some drug or cult :P

[prisma grail]

Ok, that's arguably even better. xD

Also, just as a slight hint for being able to actually get help when you've got a problem, I'd suggest giving this page a read: https://dontasktoask.com/ .

[static solar]

It's a real person qwq

But you actually automate a normal account

Just against Discord TOS

It's a face

[gloomy zinc]

If I wanted to give something a weakness to silver weapons in worldbox, how would I go about that?

[tropic dagger]

try asking #🔧modding-talk

they're probably more familiar with the worldbox source than we are

[gloomy zinc]

Oh thank you

[tropic dagger]

👍

[next lotus]

what are you talking about its completely different lmao

[next lotus]

so is bootstrap??

[prisma grail]

Doesn't it literally just provide you with classes for making your divs look like certain predefined components?

[barren shale]

But it’s ugly

You need lots of setup to make it good

[distant wraith]

That just sounds like styling HTML to me. I don't know why, but I've never managed to make anything look like what I imagined

[barren shale]

use tailwind

and use figma to sketch it really quickly

and then try to replicate it in tailwind

design in 1440px and use containers

containers make sure that things dont go to the edges (navbar) when the screens are wider than 1400px

so people with super wide screens can use your website

[prisma grail]

Oh god, you're reenacting all of my nightmares. :P

[barren shale]

if youre really into web i can help you get started

[jolly field]

@distant wraith you’re back! You’ve returned!

[prisma grail]

Ok, so I actually always thought that this sort of design stuff would be my thing, so when I got accepted into my current school, I went to a branch that, in addition to coding, puts a whole lot of emphasis on design. I tried to be good at it there. For a year and a half. But ended up convincing the school to let me go to their IT only branch instead because I was just that horrible at it and couldn't accomplish anything. Like, I'm either just that incompetent at this sort of stuff, or my teachers were incompetent at teaching. Idek which one tbh.
(I guess what I'm trying to say is what I'm interested but might be a complete and utter pain to even try to help in this regard.)

[barren shale]

Nahhh

What you say doesn’t make sense

Anyone can be good at anything

You just gotta practice

I was really shit at designing websites and I’m still am not that good at it

So I started trying by copying ideas from other websites and putting them together

Which gave me enough experience to come up with my own designs

Also design is a lot about specific practices that you just need to keep in mind

[barren shale]

Like this one

[prisma grail]

Well, I did always get good grades because it was clear to people that I can use the technology, but no one ever liked my (horrible) design ideas.

[barren shale]

But you didn’t know how to do anything when you were born

You learnt how to use technology by practicing

That’s why you’re good at it

[prisma grail]

Fair, designs of other sites tend to leave my mind as quickly as they entered.

[prisma grail]

Ok, I never thought of it that way before. IwI

[barren shale]

that's how things work in life

you do something a lotyou become good at it

jupe about to drop some god tier information

[wet girder]

Bit late to the convo but I did scratch when I was 7 to 8 then learned python when I was 9 and coded sometimes until 8th grade so 15 and since that coded pretty consisntently after that. Looks very good on job applications when I say I've been coding for over half of my life

[barren shale]

true

sadly im too old now so i cant say that

[prisma grail]

I never even considered before mentioning that sort of early stuff when applying.

(Also, NGL, I now almost see why past you thought that having AMP be in Python was a good idea. )