⌨coders-cave

[feral bramble]

Amazing

[barren lichen]

i have figured out how to send the input into something like yourworldoftext
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVBzKxgNzUc

[random summit]

Which program do you guys recommend to start

[still bramble]

It’s full of Arabic

You won’t be able to read it

[orchid frigate]

Data gonna be burned into memory atp😭

What does patch mean

Fix it to run or make it better

Does it run

Im almost failing math bro you came to the wrong place

[still bramble]

It’s okay we can fail together

[orchid frigate]

I dont take it seriously

My teacher cant get us under control so we do whatever in class

Don't even know what math we are learning atp

[thorny surge]

no it is not working right now there are many errors, I need to fix it to run, I changed most things but it still doesn't work

[prisma grail]

In this case, patching referring to the usage a C# library called Harmony that's commonly used in WorldBox mods to alter the behavior of the games source code on runtime I think.

There's prefix/postfix patches, which just append a method call from custom code from you to the beginning/end of the original code, and then there's transpilers, which give you a list of the methods IL instructions and allow your code to freely alter this list to whatever you need the method to do instead.

[prisma grail]

This channel is unrelated to WorldBox, so most of the people here are lacking a lot of context required to be able to help with modding the game.

[thorny surge]

oh ok, so should I delete the messages?

[prisma grail]

Nah, you can just leave it here. However, I'd suggest getting help with this in #🔧modders-bay , that channel better suits the purpose of your topic.

[thorny surge]

ok

[gleaming fulcrum]

Hi

[prisma grail]

Hello.

[orchid frigate]

Whats the error

Also

#🔧modding-talk for better help

[rose pawn]

Bro is modaretormaxxing

[wet girder]

coding in a nutshell

[prisma grail]

I can relate.

[barren shale]

in the end we all are just stupid

i think the map controller depends on too many things

[prisma grail]

Nah, I see nothing wrong with that amount of dependency injection in one single constructor.

[still bramble]

So you guys are bad at math

Are you good at biology?

I have a quition

||If a flower has 3 petals how many cotyledons does it have?||

[still bramble]

The ping dissapered

[feral bramble]

1

[still bramble]

Why do you know this

[feral bramble]

Not hard to research

[barren shale]

a

one of the only reasons to use bing

some peope still dont know that microsoft's copilot is a free chatgpt4

with access to the web

[static solar]

I really love it

Bing also has free DALL-E 3 access

[barren shale]

sometimes companies being rich is very cool

[quartz pumice]

It's dalle2

[static solar]

No, why?

It’s DALL-E 3

The most recent model

[quartz pumice]

nvm I remember seeing a bunch of people talk about dall e 3 and bing then screen shotted the image creator thing saying it was dall e 2 but I guess it is dalle 3 now

[static solar]

Can I see the image?

[quartz pumice]

no I would haved to go through like 10 years of chatlogs 😭

[static solar]

Ah, alr

DALL-E 3 was recently shown to a limited few and is now made available to the general public

https://www.bing.com/images/create

[quartz pumice]

:pog:

[static solar]

Here

[quartz pumice]

yeah I have it open right now

[quartz pumice]

ive had it open in the background since I was about to grab a screenshot of it being dall e 2 when I found out it was dall e 3

[static solar]

Ah, alright

[quartz pumice]

yes yes

fr

https://tenor.com/view/shiggy-wiggy-girls-last-tour-yuuri-gif-26167969

[static solar]

So based

[vernal coral]

Hammy

🤠

[barren shale]

Hello borat

Is this even the same borat or is this a fake

[barren birch]

Im using codeblocks for c++

[static solar]

What’s that?

[oblique sleet]

codeblocks for c++

basically stuff that can help u group some thing with curly brackets

[orchid frigate]

I would imagine everyone using c++ uses them

but good for you

[wet girder]

my github doesn't look too hot

[prisma grail]

_I have almost 10x as many contributions, might want to get a life soon. _

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[prisma grail]

OMG CAN THIS STUPID BOT SHUT UP.

[wet girder]

if my work contributions would show in my github I'd have waaay more

[prisma grail]

Ah, fair, almost all of mine are onto private repos.

It's basically all either school or personal projects.

[hoary hound]

You can tell GitHub to show private repos' contributions (doesn't actually show commits ofc)

Just the count

https://docs.github.com/en/account-and-profile/setting-up-and-managing-your-github-profile/managing-contribution-settings-on-your-profile/showing-your-private-contributions-and-achievements-on-your-profile#changing-the-visibility-of-your-private-contributions

[wet girder]

yeah but my work stuff isn't in github

and I have a work github account so even if it was it'd be on that account

[hoary hound]

Fair

[hoary hound]

What do you use for version control?

[wet girder]

Azure DevOps

it's great

[hoary hound]

Never touched that

[wet girder]

ye it's very enterprise oriented

i don't think individuals can even use it

[hoary hound]

Likely

Pretty sure most Azure stuff is enterprise oriented

[wet girder]

it seems anyone can use it as long as they pay. There's some free version but idk how good it is

I know for a fact it's not very cheap to use it for our work

but we have couple dozen repos with a lot of code in every project

[queen zodiac]

Tf is he doing here

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate I was struggling with e820 for like 3 days.. and the problem was that nasm was having trouble turning the string smap into actual fucking data

I replaced the string with fucking hex and it fucking worked flawlessly

[wet girder]

why is python like this

[silent root]

because it sucks

[inland saffron]

Why is this weird?

This is how most languages work

You don’t want to create an entirely new dictionary, it wastes memory. Also it helps if you need to look through an array of dictionarys and want to change them

If you really want it to be a new object and not an alternative name for that object you need to make a copy of it.

[wet girder]

I now realize I'm just an idiot

[orchid frigate]

I have never had a problem with nasm

In fact i love it

But I have also never had to do e820 because I have always used bootloaders so 🤷

[quartz pumice]

same bro

thats literally the only problem ive had with it

I wish it would give one more detailed errors though

[quartz pumice]

mmapsize    equ 0x7b0d
mmap        equ 0x7b0f
do_e820:
  mov ebx, 0
  mov word [0x7b0d], 0
.loopu:
  inc word [0x7b0d]

  imul di, ax, 20
  mov es, di

  xor di, di

  mov ecx, 20
  mov edx, 534D4150h
  mov eax, 0xe820
  
  int 0x15
  jc err

  cmp ebx, 0
  jz .end

  jmp .loopu
.end:
  jmp frome820``` works :happy:

[quartz pumice]

yo mama so fat she page faulted

[flat valley]

Yo mama so fat the scale had an integer overflow error

[barren shale]

.net 7

.net 8

very pog

[short chasm]

I’m starting to want to give up on JavaScript

What I use is not teaching me what I want to learn

Instead it’s things that I can’t really use yet

What should I do

[quartz pumice]

Make up a project and do it

That's how I learned

[short chasm]

I’m still mostly new

[quartz pumice]

I think my first project when I was like 8 was reading user profiles from Roblox in python

First time I ever used it

[short chasm]

I have not learned what I need to make a project

[snow needle]

Всем привет!

[quartz pumice]

Then learn

Lol

There's also books

[short chasm]

The books are what I use

[quartz pumice]

Also to learn that just lookup how to make a hello world 💀

[short chasm]

They aren’t helping

I know that basic stuff

I need the stuff that integrates with html

Html

[quartz pumice]

That's a kind of advanced topic if your just starting out

[short chasm]

In terms of learning, I just learned how to use arrays and for loops

I kind of know some advanced stuff

But not much

[quartz pumice]

If you know that much you should be well on your way 💀

[short chasm]

The book I use it very linear

[quartz pumice]

The only thing stopping you I would guess is mindset or motivation

[quartz pumice]

Ok

[short chasm]

I have not learned anything beyond that

[quartz pumice]

Then start learning

[short chasm]

The only forms of output I know how to do are alerts

[quartz pumice]

💀

[short chasm]

Where should I start

That is my issue

[quartz pumice]

You ain't gonna learn anything by telling me what you haven't

[quartz pumice]

Think of literally anything you want to do

[short chasm]

I don’t learn from just seeing

[quartz pumice]

You said html earlier so start there

[short chasm]

I need to know how exactly it works

Why it works

When I can use it

Why I can use it

[quartz pumice]

Then copy paste it and experiment on it

[proven acorn]

W3schools goated

[orchid frigate]

No

no programmer atleast not the casual ones know what the fuck is going on half the time

do less thinking on the complicated things and simplify as much as possible

when you get better at that then learn the more complex stuff

also javascript is a bad language to start with imo

[short chasm]

I meant what inputs and outputs it takes and creates (why the inputs cause what they cause)

[short chasm]

I learned a bit of Python

I started with html and CSS

[orchid frigate]

yes no need for that

simplify

function x needs inputs i and m to output y

thats all you need to know

dont worry about the rest

[short chasm]

Ok

[orchid frigate]

when you master the basics

you can go lower level aka start researching how the functions work and why they work

[short chasm]

My issue is that the basics are getting boring

[orchid frigate]

if you are interested in that you are just like me when I first started out you will make a great low level developer

[short chasm]

I’m not learning how to use what I want to use

[orchid frigate]

everything new you learn is boring in the start

because you see the complex cool things

[short chasm]

I’ve been using “A Smarter Way to Learn JavaScript”

[orchid frigate]

Move to c#

its similar syntax so it wont be that hard

javascript sucks

[short chasm]

It’s not that, I just want to be able to make it appear on the website, and not as an alert.

[orchid frigate]

its a terrible language

noone likes javascript

[short chasm]

I have heard that C# is also a horrible starting language

[orchid frigate]

and its difficult to transition from it

[orchid frigate]

imo best starting language

I started with it and unity

simple language and allows you to transition to any language after learning it

[short chasm]

Where should I start learning it?

[orchid frigate]

c# and unity

unity allows you to actually visualise the code which makes learning 100x easier

learn unity and as you are learning unity you will be forced to learn c# in the process

then do some raw c#

[short chasm]

I don’t have access to a good enough computer to run unity

[orchid frigate]

then transition to maybe c++/c

[orchid frigate]

hmmm

wanna try something hard but worth?

[short chasm]

Sure

[orchid frigate]

start learning c++

its considered a difficult language which I personally dont agree with

[short chasm]

(I do all of my coding stuff on Replit)

[short chasm]

That makes it more fun to learn

It takes more work

[orchid frigate]

c++ is basically programming basics

its a simple language which makes it difficult

if you learn it

you will have an amazing start

[short chasm]

Can I integrate it into HTML

[orchid frigate]

no

[short chasm]

Oh

[orchid frigate]

if you want frontend

do typescript

its javascript

but better

[short chasm]

Hmm

Are the basics the same?

I can stem my learning off of them

[orchid frigate]

I dont know frontend but I would imagine yes

in programming every language is the exact same pretty much

just different syntax

[short chasm]

I have not learned any front end JavaScript yet

So far

[short chasm]

Ooh

Ok

Isn’t Python also a good starter language

[orchid frigate]

yes but I dont like python

I dont agree its a good starting language

its syntax is too unique

you would make a great systems programmer ngl

[short chasm]

I would?

[orchid frigate]

if you are curious what makes functions work and how they make the output

then yes I used to be that way

then I got carried away

and went really low level

[short chasm]

This is unrelated, but what purpose do arrays serve? They seem pointless in every way, shape, and form.

[orchid frigate]

they do serve a purpose but I dont think they are that used in modern programming

[short chasm]

Yeah

I don’t reallly like them

[orchid frigate]

basically they are useful

[short chasm]

I try to avoid them whenever possible

[orchid frigate]

but in different forms

normal arrays suck

however mutable arrays which only exist in certain languages

are extremely useful

also strings are actually just arrays of bytes

arrays are more useful in the lower levels of programming

[short chasm]

I personally don’t think I will ever use them.
.shift, .unshift, .pop, .push, .slice, and .splice are all too similar

It’s over complicated

And they are easily replaced

[orchid frigate]

no wonder you dont like them if thats how javascript handles them

as I said javascript sucks

[short chasm]

Yeah

[orchid frigate]

move to a language like c++

[short chasm]

I like everything but those

[orchid frigate]

you will see just how much better they are there

do you know basic computer theory

mainly memory

[short chasm]

Not really

[orchid frigate]

learn about memory and ram before going into c++

nothing too deep

just how ram is stored and what a memory address and a byte is

you will need it for c++

[short chasm]

I like JS because I don’t need that

Everything is simple

[orchid frigate]

its high level but overly complicated to "simplify programming"

you need to learn the basics without the use of javascript's special features

[short chasm]

What are its special features?

[orchid frigate]

they are what actually makes you understand programming not just remember code

[short chasm]

I’m assuming the things like “let” and “alert”

[orchid frigate]

javascript does alot of stuff for you

which doesnt teach you how they work

so you dont actually understand what you are doing

you just memorise code

[short chasm]

I’ll try to see what I can do about learning something new. I won’t stop learning JavaScript and Python because I like them, but I will try to add something you recommended

[orchid frigate]

Thats fine

A big thing about programming anf learning it is

Doijg whatever you think is fun

Because otherwise you wont learn shit

[short chasm]

Exactly

[orchid frigate]

If you dont have curiousity or enjoyment

[short chasm]

That is why arrays are making me hate JS

[orchid frigate]

You will burn out once and never touch it again

[orchid frigate]

Don't worry about arrays

Skip over them

They are kinda complicated if you dony know computer theory anyway

[short chasm]

Ok

[quartz pumice]

one of my friends called C# C soft

[proven acorn]

C hashtag

[runic kayak]

Js is the goat

[wet girder]

JS is kinda ok

C# is my favorite

I kinda hate python

[runic kayak]

Why

[young flume]

not?

[wet girder]

It's good for making scripts and it's pretty fun when I just make scripts with it but people try to force it to everything

but C# is just

[runic kayak]

My favorite is typescript

[barren shale]

typescript has lots of problems

but i guess that's what you get when you want a language to compile into javascript

[short chasm]

Python would be so much better if you could link it to thinks like C# and JS

It is perfect for back end stuff

Much better than js

[wet girder]

It's not good for the backend compared to C# Imo

[barren shale]

python is not better than js for backend

its way too slow

and big projects in python look 🤮

not that they look a lot better with javascript

but you have typescript to make javascript nicer

any language that is not typed is not very good for big projects

[tropic dagger]

I don't really like C#

it just doesn't hit right

it's too object-oriented

[solemn hinge]

[strange flare]

Guys, i’m coding in JS HTML, got any tips?

[short chasm]

Don’t rip your hair out

[strange flare]

Haha

Already failed

[short chasm]

How new are you?

[strange flare]

Like i can make a basic robot kinda new

[short chasm]

Oh

I can’t even do that

[strange flare]

Yah i’m not an expert

28 lines of code

[short chasm]

My ass can barely use .getElementById

I can’t even do that

[strange flare]

Oof

We use P5JS for this stuff on replit

[short chasm]

I’ve been trying for hours to get an html input to create a variable for js

[short chasm]

Replit is great

[strange flare]

Yeah

Wait i think i can help

Just need to see what your exact problem is

[short chasm]

Ok

[strange flare]

Add me

Can’t send a picture of ur code here

[short chasm]

I dmed you

[quartz pumice]

I remember using replit in school alot until they blocked it 😭

[proven acorn]

Nah why

Replit actually cracked

[strange flare]

Damn

[orchid frigate]

robot?

with html and js?

do you mean website

[raven nova]

Can you guys make world box like final fantasy if so oml

[sour tapir]

Yeah

[strange flare]

No, with js, i can make a basic robot

[deft cipher]

C++ better language for making robots but with javascript, Thats impressive.

[strange flare]

It’s literally circles and squares lol

[wet girder]

What do you mean by robot?

Like drawn robot?

[deft cipher]

im actually learning to make actual fighting or Functioning robots

[strange flare]

In JS?

[strange flare]

Yeah using javascript, just the basics. Doesn’t move yet

[deft cipher]

Nope, Using more complex stuff like Circuits, Arduino and C++

💀😭

[short chasm]

@orchid frigate thank you. You helped me regain genuine interest in coding

I have learned a lot

[short chasm]

Also, thank you @quartz pumice. If it was not for your “passive aggressive” help, I would not have thought about what I actually wanted to try. It was because of you that I realized I could just look up anything I wanted to learn how to make.

[tropic dagger]

opengl is so much fun it's so happy and easy and fun

rainbows and unicorns and the like

[barren shale]

we have surpassed unix time 1700000000 we wont surpass 1800000000 until january 15 2027

its so fun looking at 1700000000

we've been looking at 16 for the past 3-4 years

[strange flare]

Guys, got any coding languages that are easy to learn? I already know basic html and js.

[proven acorn]

How easy

[strange flare]

Entry level coding? Able to make a basic website+ topnav bar in html kind of entry level?

[proven acorn]

What do u want to use it for

[strange flare]

Mess around and learn, at some point actually start using it

I use replit so maybe earn some money eventually

[proven acorn]

Python ig

[strange flare]

Okay! Thanks

[proven acorn]

But it’s slow af

Shouldn’t be a problem if you aren’t doing anything too big with it though

[strange flare]

Meh, biggest i made was a website in html with 800 lines total

[proven acorn]

Yeah you should be fine then

[strange flare]

So shouldn’t be too much of a problem

Okay, thx

[proven acorn]

Do u want to do competitive programming or just work on projects?

[strange flare]

Mainly small projects

[proven acorn]

Probably python then

It’s really easy to learn

[strange flare]

<h1>why i’m happy:</h1>

<p> i know what to do with my life now</p>

[proven acorn]

What kind of projects?

[strange flare]

Small projects

Using the basics and experimenting mainly

[short chasm]

I need people to dm me project ideas

[quartz pumice]

Passive aggressive??? 😭

[quartz pumice]

I think the first game I ever made was a maze game

And it seems like alot of schools do that also

[short chasm]

It just seemed passive aggressive

For some reason

Idk

[orchid frigate]

C++

It will be hard

But if you learn it once

Everything else becomes simpler

Worth it in the long run

Or c#

Actually c#

With unity

[strange flare]

Okay, thx. Ripped my hair out after 10 minutes of python

[orchid frigate]

Python isnt useful

[strange flare]

Kinda got that impression, yeah

[orchid frigate]

C languages are useful

Learn them

Start with c#

[strange flare]

Okay, thx. For game design as well?

[orchid frigate]

Move to C

Dont move to c++

Bad oop

[orchid frigate]

Unity and c#

[strange flare]

K, thanks

[orchid frigate]

No

Its not fun to write 300-400 lines of initialization code

[tropic dagger]

💀

[orchid frigate]

Just to write 100 lines to make a pink triangle

Oh wait its sarcasm

[tropic dagger]

☠️

[orchid frigate]

Yea I still keep my idea tho

[tropic dagger]

I understand your pain

[orchid frigate]

Try vulkan

[tropic dagger]

I'm deep in shit and I'm just starting

[orchid frigate]

Initialization turns from 400 linez

To 700

[tropic dagger]

holy shit the efficiency

[orchid frigate]

And drawing the triangle is an extra 300

[tropic dagger]

more lines means I can justify longer breaks

[orchid frigate]

Because you basically have to write a small graphics driver

To get anything working

[tropic dagger]

that sounds almost as bad as assembly

[orchid frigate]

And one small mistake in a random place in the code may mean you gotta rewrite everything

Because bad error handling

[tropic dagger]

damn 💀

[orchid frigate]

I use assembly alot

Assembly is better

Trust me

Vulkan is pain

[tropic dagger]

I'll take your word for it, assembly was awful

[orchid frigate]

Nah

Low level assembly is

Actually kinda nice

[tropic dagger]

once you've figured it out, but I'm not there yet

[orchid frigate]

I almost prefer it over huge high level projects

[orchid frigate]

There isnt much to figure out thats the good part

You have registers

They keep values

Thats it

[tropic dagger]

that was my understanding of it but I almost need to see variables

[orchid frigate]

Try 16 bit assembly first

Its alot simpler than 32 and 64 bit

[tropic dagger]

haven't even considered that

[orchid frigate]

Run it on an emulator like a bootloader

It will let you understand assembly without any operating system interfering

[tropic dagger]

I've been muddling with the idea of writing a hobbyist os recently so I need to shape up on assembly a bit more

[orchid frigate]

You will only use the first 16 bits of the registers so from rax you will use al, ah and ax

[orchid frigate]

I do that

Alot

I can help

[tropic dagger]

as of now I'm working through one of my old demons

I've tried to learn opengl before and it went terribly

I've deleted all my notes and I'm starting from scratch

[orchid frigate]

Graphics APIs are not as fun as they look

I know that from experience

Its better not to get into them

[tropic dagger]

no API has been as fun as it looks but that hasn't pushed me away from any of them

[orchid frigate]

If you want a low level renderer find a code only renderer

Or a low level game engine

[tropic dagger]

although THREE.js was kinda fun

if a bit simple

[orchid frigate]

But if you wanna get into oss

Dp you know where to start

[tropic dagger]

not as of now

[orchid frigate]

Wait

[tropic dagger]

it's been in the back of my mind, not something I actively pursued

[orchid frigate]

Writing a Simple Operating System — from Scratch https://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~exr/lectures/opsys/10_11/lectures/os-dev.pdf

Look at this its very good

Gives you a good idea on what you will have to work with

Its not in depth at all

But its good enough

[tropic dagger]

it's just a primer then

still, better than win32

[orchid frigate]

By the end you will get into a 32bit kernel

Its basically a how to write a bootloader

[tropic dagger]

ah

that will be very helpful, thank you

[orchid frigate]

To expand it then

Look at how to get into long mode

64bit

And go from there

There is an entire os dev wiki

[tropic dagger]

I'm assuming to get to it I would literally look up os dev wiki?

[orchid frigate]

Pretty much

Its kinda difficult to navigate so for different parts of it you gotta google something like "paging os dev"

Or "acpi os dev"

[tropic dagger]

alright

[orchid frigate]

The info in it is good but

Not enough

For os dev you really gotta find literally any info you can from everywhere

Even websites as old as the internet

[tropic dagger]

goddamn

[orchid frigate]

And processor documentation

[tropic dagger]

yeah it doesn't seem like a very modern art, despite its prominence

[orchid frigate]

And somehow its still more fun than apis

[tropic dagger]

💀 I shall see

[orchid frigate]

🤷‍♂️

Tbh api programming is Just 400 lines of functions calling functions

So its not that difficult to beat

[tropic dagger]

fair enough

alright I'm gonna burn in hell for a bit, I can't keep procrastinating or I'll lose my stamina and just play dragon age until I fall asleep

[shrewd mango]

Someone said I need the encode and decode commands of worldbot amp how do I get those?

[short chasm]

This is so annoying

I can save local data just fine

But can’t load it

[upper garden]

Do you guys reckon I learn C++ or C# or anything else? I know python and some very basic js, I want to play around with making games but also some other code for some projects that I want to get started

[old mural]

how to raycast in python

[barren shale]

do math

[orchid frigate]

C# with unity

[barren shale]

https://www.develop.games/

[tropic dagger]

it's that guy

he's a very interesting person

[quaint sluice]

Ok

[old mural]

THor

[tropic dome]

C and assembly

nothing more

[tropic dagger]

there are significantly better options for a beginner

[tropic dagger]

C# with Unity is a good choice to start, if you're up for the challenge you could try Unreal with C++, otherwise you could actually use Javascript and some third party libraries that abstract webGL (like three.js) and make the engine from scratch

[flat valley]

Java is a good introduction into some of the more complex aspects of coding imo. Especially coming from javascript

[static solar]

I honestly think Unreal is overhyped

[tropic dagger]

you would not be unjustified in thinking that way

it's a really capable engine, but it has it's flaws

it is better than unity in a number of ways however, unity has made some awful decisions recently

unity is just easier to get into

[queen zodiac]

Have you ever heard about Unity particle system?

[tropic dagger]

no

do go on?

[tropic dagger]

yes, but it's not a language I would dwell on personally

it's very awkward

that being said, I use C++

[deft cipher]

Me and mah partner actually assembled a robot

[orchid frigate]

Technically no

If you learn C first you practically know every commercial programming language because C is the basics

And assembly if you learn it first you know basic computer science and its difficult enough that other programming languages will seem easier to learn

[orchid frigate]

Why

Why would you torture yourself with cpp oop

Its awful and useless

C isnt a language meant for oop

[orchid frigate]

Have you seen unreal 5?

[strange flare]

I’m actually gonna download unreal5 today and start with some experimenting, maybe make a few mobile games

Build up a portfolio for when i’m enrolling into college for my game design study

[wet girder]

for mobile games I'd recommend unity

same for indie games

but if you're shooting for AAA career then unreal is not a bad choice

but for indie Unity is the best right now

[orchid frigate]

Do you have 2TBs of storage ready?

[tropic dagger]

I would heavily disagree

[tropic dagger]

I hate that that's a valid question

[strange flare]

Haha, 480 here and a 4tb external downstairs

[tropic dagger]

Holy shit

[orchid frigate]

Oh well I guess that works

[strange flare]

Yeah

[orchid frigate]

Who the hell has 4tb just lying around

[tropic dagger]

Jayden 🤷‍♂️

[strange flare]

Anyone whose dad has all battlefields and 4 assasins creed games (as well as GTA)

So he has 4 tb and a spare one

[tropic dagger]

Ohhh

[orchid frigate]

TO SPARE???

How much storage does this man have

[strange flare]

Yup, i know

My das has 5 tb total

He uses 3 terrabites so his spare is not needed rn

[tropic dagger]

Is your dad in the market for a zip bomb?

[strange flare]

So i now have 4 tb

[orchid frigate]

My pc has under 1tb of space and thats all I have

[strange flare]

Don’t think so lol

[orchid frigate]

And I have to fit all my games AND programming stuff on jt

Give me 1tb please

[tropic dagger]

Well lmk

[strange flare]

I have 480gb so i got a 4tb external now lol

[tropic dagger]

I have just under 1tb

[strange flare]

Yk, it’s not even that expensive

[orchid frigate]

I wanna get a 1tb ssd

[strange flare]

100 or 120 euro’s and i earn that in like 1 week during vacations

[orchid frigate]

But its like

200my currency

[tropic dagger]

With a 480gb usb external and an old console drive my dad scrapped

[strange flare]

Damn

[orchid frigate]

And Im broke rn because I spent all my money clubbing

[strange flare]

Pound? Dollars?

Peso’s?

[orchid frigate]

Levs

[strange flare]

Huh

[orchid frigate]

And noone has jobs either because I work as a construction assistant but noone does construction in the winter

So im kinda fucked

[strange flare]

Damn

I work at a history themed amusement park

We got 18 visitors on last saturday but i still got paid

And i spent 20 minutes pointing at buttons on a MiG-21

[orchid frigate]

How much does it pay

[strange flare]

I’m 14 but i get 3.50 euro’s per hour

[orchid frigate]

I want that😔

[tropic dagger]

That's an awesome job

[orchid frigate]

I get paid like 40bucks a day to get screamed at for 8 hours straight

On weekends

[strange flare]

Which is a step down from my last job in a greenhouse but i work longer and consistently the entire year

Damn, i get paid half just to chill with coworkers 7 hours a day

And eat any food we don’t sell

Which is a lot in the winters

[orchid frigate]

Where the hell do you find these jobs

[strange flare]

In the netherlands lol

[orchid frigate]

Ah that explains it

[strange flare]

Only in rotterdam💀

[orchid frigate]

If its a northern country then everything is better

[strange flare]

North western europe

[orchid frigate]

Even eastern

Finland is there

[strange flare]

I wanna visit romania once

[orchid frigate]

And its like the happiest country in the world

[orchid frigate]

no

You dont

[strange flare]

The netherlands kinda happy as well

I do

[orchid frigate]

Its not interesting nor aesthetic

I live in the country below Bulgaria

[strange flare]

I have a friend there

Aaah, greece or turkey?

[orchid frigate]

I am literally a minute drive to romania

Its poor dirty and unhappy

[strange flare]

Depends on where

[orchid frigate]

Everywhere

I have been to Bucharest its the same just a tiny bit richer

[strange flare]

My friend lives in a clean area with awesome nightlife

[orchid frigate]

Yea we party

Alot

[strange flare]

We do

[orchid frigate]

Drugs alcohol you name it

[strange flare]

As well

Pro tip:

[orchid frigate]

But that's it

We are still poor

[strange flare]

Coffeeshops in amsterdam DO NOT sell coffee

[orchid frigate]

Seems like an interesting strategy for a coffee shop

[strange flare]

True

And red lights cost you 50 bucks

With a high chance of an STD

All in all we are a great country

With the #1 school for gaming study’s in the netherlands

[orchid frigate]

Gaming study

What

[strange flare]

Going to college

To learn coding games

So my dad can keep his promise of buying any game i help developing

So i make a game that coste him 2k to actually buy

[tropic dagger]

💀

I'm going to uni for computer science, studying abroad
My hope is to get into either game development or os development, although I'm leaning very heavily into games

[strange flare]

Where u going?

[tropic dagger]

Across an ocean 👍

The UK, in the US rn

[strange flare]

Nice

I’m going to BUas (breda)

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate what should I do with memory 💀

I have a map and everything but now idea what to do with allocation

[wet girder]

I'm a bit late to this conversation but I have 2TB gen 4 nvme ssd installed in my pc and have about 5 tb worth of hard drives lying around. Some of them probably don't work tho as they're old as fuck

[runic arch]

nerds

[orchid frigate]

All I need is another 1tb and im set for life

[orchid frigate]

Look at the free areas

And use them as free memory

So when you make a memory allocator

You use this memory

Now however I am sad to tell you

[quartz pumice]

yes im at the part of allocating

[orchid frigate]

You have to now deal with paging

Make a pager

[quartz pumice]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[orchid frigate]

And use it to make a dynamic allocator

Dynamic memory management is honestly fun af to make

Paging is the boring and tough part

After you deal with the allocator

Uhhh

I guess acpi or start making processes

And work towards userland shit

I dont live well knowing at some point I will have to deal with acpi and usb shit

Makes me shiver

[quartz pumice]

Lol

I know that there are libraries to help with acpi

And by help I mean do everything

I think acpi is as bad as uefi

[barren jungle]

%0|%0

[tropic dagger]

deallocate it

[barren jungle]

[strange flare]

Ah, someone who shares my name

Sort of

I started messing around with unreal 5 a bit yesterday and i now know that i have to learn c++

[strange flare]

I just had to look at onion cells for 45 minutes and remembered why i don’t like biology

[bleak sedge]

thanks for da uber eat my friends

[strange flare]

Wut

[wet girder]

sorry for the unnecessary red lines, the image was like that

[orchid frigate]

does this apply to real life practise?

[feral bramble]

pffft

[remote onyx]

I wasn't sure where to go with this but do you guys know where the culture outfits* are stored in the files on the computer version?

[strange flare]

Let’s test that theory

[wet girder]

#🔧modding-talk can help you better than us

[prisma grail]

Not necessary, I already answered in #1176174799312126012 .

[prisma grail]

Also, ngl, I genuinely didn't realise that this is meant in a computer context until my eyes noticed "SIGCHILD", so that was a bit confusing.

[wet girder]

Ah nice

[wet girder]

I realized at the "then the parent will receive the exit code"

[prisma grail]

At that point, my brain was still going "What program? Why would parents care about some exit code more than their children?". I think it's a bit obvious that I got a lot less sleep today than I should've.

[wet girder]

Lol, I slept barely 6 hours last night which is enough to make me feel tired but not enough to make my brain run noticeably slower

Plus I'm now 2 pepsi maxes in and a tiny bit of sparkling wine in so I'm feeling quite energetic. For context I've been at a work Christmas party

[prisma grail]

I had my time perfectly planned through to get 8 hours of sleep so that I can move some problematic client side logic in a C# application onto a server, and then I just failed a fall asleep for 3 hours because my mind was occupied with other thing.

[prisma grail]

I rarely ever drink any of this sort of stuff, the soda alone in e.g. Pepsi already tastes awful to me and I tend to avoid alcoholic beverages in general.

[wet girder]

I don't drink alcoholic beverages but I drank a bit of sparkling wine today, enough to feel it a bit but not enough to be anywhere close to intoxicated. And I drink soda when there's some special occasion or sometimes in sauna

My coworkers tho, they've drank a lot more

[prisma grail]

I mostly just stick to still water, it's good enough for me on most days.

[wet girder]

Water is very great but I like soda sometimes

[prisma grail]

Yeah, that does make sense. I just personally happen to pretty much hate how it feels in my mouth.

[wet girder]

Idk why but I love carbonated drinks

I drink carbonated water sometimes for the heck of it

[prisma grail]

I could never, the feel from that sort of stuff stays in my mouth for way longer that I can bear.

[wet girder]

I like the feeling

[still bramble]

Unrelated

[quartz pumice]

my efforts in turning osdev less toxic are kinda working

[hollow haven]

sup mahalation

2 animatons not appearing

[quartz pumice]

https://youtu.be/VkMR5q-R-sM whenever you use unix epoch you are praying homage to this man

[strange flare]

Guys i figured out i have to learn c++ to work with unreal5 and it scares me

[wet girder]

that's why I like Unity more, I can use C# my beloved language 😍

[strange flare]

I gotta work with unreal for the uni i’m going to in 2 years

Figured i might as well start practicing

Guys wanna feel coding nostalgia?

<h1> Hello world! </h1>

[short chasm]

It’s not that nostalgic because I use it nearly every day

It is a great, simple, language.

[strange flare]

Well

It’s the start of any website

[short chasm]

True

Many people don’t use websites though

I like how civilized Coders Cave usually is compared to the rest of the server

[wet girder]

Crazy AI news

the board at OpenAI terminated Sam Altman as their CEO and now 550 out of 700 employees are telling the board they need to resign

Most important part

these are the 12 people that are telling that if they don't resign they will go to microsoft

seems like OpenAI board has to either resign or kill the company

[wet girder]

found another source that claims 667 people out 770 have signed the letter saying they'll leave OpenAI if the board doesn't resign

@hoary hound I think you'll like this one

[burnt marsh]

That's actually insane

[wet girder]

True dat

[burnt marsh]

The majority of employees is basically holding the company itself hostage

[strange flare]

True

I mean, where i work we don’t cuz the employer is chill as fug

But yeah, majority does

[knotty root]

Also Sam voiced heavily on how ai should be controlled since it could be used dangerously

He really wasn’t a bad ceo

[hoary hound]

holy shit

well good luck to the board

either they go down with dignity or the whole company goes poof

[wet girder]

He was an amazing ceo but safe ai doesn't make as much money as unsafe ai so the board didn't like him

[knotty root]

Yeah

Average corporate mindset

We don’t care about safety we care about money

[strange flare]

Yup

That’s why i work at a history themed amusement park

Less money, but i get to point at buttons in a MiG-21 M all day

[barren shale]

its around 740 actually

[wet girder]

it's increased again?

[orchid frigate]

NOOOO

I loved all their AI

if they shut down we gotta wait for someone to replace them

[wet girder]

Well the engineers and management are going to Microsoft if the openai board doesn't resign so we should see some good ai from Microsoft

[orchid frigate]

great more microsoft domination

at this point they own everything software

[wet girder]

True

[hollow bronze]

they will also turn around and claim safety for not releasing code, weights or anything to help the research world but will gladly earn profit from the same things without caring

quite frankly they're all corporate, the non-profit for research of them died

business is at the end of the day what they're for at this point, Sam or not

Ironically Meta has been contributing more for the community than them lately

Having microsoft have even more to their monopoly doesn't help though!

[quartz pumice]

At least they aren't that bad lol

[barren shale]

I don’t mind Microsoft’s monopoly

Because they are trying to make things better

Unlike some other companies (not talking about google or twitch at all)

Oh yeah twitch’s new ceo is very cool actually so twitch is getting better

[queen zodiac]

Google

[hollow bronze]

google when they release nothing and steal all of your data

[orchid frigate]

Tbh I gotta agree

Microsoft is kinda cool

They own one of the biggest monopolies in the world but they are chill about it

And their shit is high quality most of the time so cant be too mad at them

[quartz pumice]

Free too

Also edge is a good browser 💢

[queen zodiac]

Don’t be edg-E

Good night

I shall now end my days for making a bad joke 🫡

[fading obsidian]

fr

[wet girder]

it seems that the board did resign

Only problem is Adam D'Angelo was one of the people who decided on Sam Altman being fired

so not much changed

but he's only 1 out of 3 in initial board so we'll see

[jolly field]

Hopefully it’s good.

[barren shale]

doesnt really matter that much

same people will work on the same thing either way

[next lotus]

fuck open ai

i hate open ai

THEY'RE NOT EVEN OPEN

GIVE US THE GPT4 MODEL IF YOU'RE REALLY OPEN

remove that open on your name

open ai more like

closed ai

[wet girder]

propiatery ai

[next lotus]

that s is real openai's name

propereitry ai

[young flume]

this is real, very true

[next lotus]

whatever it's spelled

[young flume]

🤣

[next lotus]

no no properreietetyy ai

propereity

[young flume]

😭

[hollow bronze]

based

they're a for profit in a non-profit

its some weird shit

[barren shale]

they were a non profit

but in 2019 they switched to an llc

they still have a non profit openai which is the research part

the for profit part is the gpt part

[static solar]

Precisely

They somehow have to cover the hosting costs

[barren shale]

microsoft: hello there

we have money

[hollow bronze]

(they dont do much for the public anymore lul)

I think the may have published dalle3's paper

and before that god knows what

They used to publish code and papers left and right

[quartz pumice]

gpt2 had a paper

gpt3 they were going to release a paper but then figured out how to profit (davinci, which later became chatgpt)

[barren shale]

I mean gpt 3 is more than just a design

They can release so much information without the training data you can’t really make another gpt 3

Also how you feed the data

I played a lot with ai and the small numbers matter so much

[wet girder]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-game-devs-making-4k-ultra-hd-models-for-their-lego-game-roblox-game-dev-developer-gif-12061443083456134512

I found this funny gif but idk what context I could use it so I just randomly sent it here :)

[orchid frigate]

roblox game devs making graphics that rival those of red dead redemption 2 for a high school role playing game:

[hollow bronze]

it takes compute true, but research is a large part in making these systems run efficiently

I know some LCM that has been working on stable diffusion stuff and it reduces the train time and amount of parameters dramatically

Often even just having papers we've been able to make implementations of these projects work

But they don't even tell you the amount of parameters the models are anymore

and think of this way, if they thought people couldn't make a gpt3 with the appropriate data they wouldn't have a reason to withhold that information

[quartz pumice]

would help competitors

[tropic dagger]

ok opengl (with glad/glfw) is not that bad

it's actually very straightforward

the initialization is weird but after that it's relatively simple

[barren shale]

the only way to git

[hoary hound]

"added some stuff"

[barren shale]

"."

"101 changed files"

uhhhh
"changes"

[vale grotto]

Big mac

bIG MACCCCcCCCcCCCCCcCCCCCcCCCCCCCCCCCCcCCC

[orchid frigate]

Its not worth it anymore tbb

There are some really good very low level renderers which basically just initialize the api and provide some basic drawing scripts

[tropic dagger]

like?

[orchid frigate]

And if you really wanna be api level its better to do vulkan since it allows you to have more control over everything

[orchid frigate]

You can use the renderers of a small code only game engine

[tropic dagger]

I'll look into it

the biggest reason I'm doing this is because when I tried to do it the first time I failed miserably and I want to prove that I can do it now

[quartz pumice]

what aout using quickframebuffer and simply doing everything on cpu 💀

[deft cipher]

Im in school rn to make a damn robot

[orchid frigate]

You get your programming privileges provoked

[quartz pumice]

😭

[tropic dagger]

simply burn 🤷‍♂️

[ocean raft]

I got code go to world box and play for a little then press alt-f4 at the same time and you get a secret achievement

[devout geyser]

E

[static solar]

What

[ocean raft]

Your welcome 🙂

[muted valve]

a

[static solar]

No, I merely don’t understand what you wrote

[quartz pumice]

me every other month

[pallid ice]

You're

[ocean raft]

Oh

Thanks for correction

[jolly field]

You love saying that don’t you?

[pallid ice]

Yes

[jolly field]

Nice.

[wintry crescent]

I wrote a hole script to make it functional trying to get better at making game gui and was coding it and computer completely crashed nothing was saved I felt rage then just felt sad just like gosh dammit bro 😭

[lofty phoenix]

ctrl + s (or whatever the key is) every 2 seconds

[orchid frigate]

Or just auto save

[shrewd mango]

When I open a wbox file in hexedit the code shows up like this: xÚԽێI’%ø+
¾ì‹£`zW˷ޝÙÙv^fóRHQÉÈdl“ŒD¬ìšFÿûº©œ#¢fnæfî¬êAU#üb"z•ë‘{÷õᯏÿãñåëÓó—w?¹pz÷ÇӇoß
Why is that and how can I make it readable?

[wet girder]

yeah it's encrypted

you can decrypt it using ~decrypt command

and encrypt it back using ~encrypt command

[shrewd mango]

Thx

[barren shale]

me when someone doesnt parameterize their queries:

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-bruh-smiling-drive-gif-15005835

[short chasm]

Does anyone know the answer to the long debate on wether or not semicolons should be put at the end of JavaScript code

I personally do both

Sometimes I use them

Other times I don’t

[wet girder]

I always use semicolons in JS

[sullen steeple]

i use a random number generator to determine whether or not i put a semicolon for every single line of code

[barren shale]

Hmmm

Since when does this exist

[short chasm]

What purpose does it serve

I’m assuming organization?

[wet girder]

I have no idea, I'm just used to using semicolons

[short chasm]

Ohh

[wet girder]

I suppose it makes it more clear when a line actually ends

[short chasm]

Yeah

That is true

[wet girder]

Causes less confusion for coders and the compiler

Or well interpreter

[wet girder]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IVdaysrIS74?si=pF9f8jazKwdgMgyE

[short chasm]

How am I just now discovering the ability to destroy any device by setting up a 1 millisecond interval loop to open a new tab

[quartz pumice]

Lol

[strange flare]

I have to learn C++ so got any tips?

[orchid frigate]

Dont overcomplicate things

C++ is a very simple language

If you know the basics of programming and the syntax of the language you basically know half of it

The other half is memory management which isnt that hard you just need to research it a bit

[barren shale]

people who dont have gc: 😔
people who have a gc: 😎

[wet girder]

https://tenor.com/view/garbage-rubbish-kittens-trash-junk-gif-27445938

[short chasm]

Does anyone know any truly amazing front end AND back end languages? I like the JS, CSS and HTML combo, but I feel like it adds some unnecessary extra work

[short chasm]

Isn’t that every language?

The basics are easy

The rest is memory

On a side note, I don’t get why Alert and Prompt are a part of the JavaScript basics. They are some of my least favorite things to use because of how pointless they are.

[orchid frigate]

No

Only compiled languages with no garbage collectors have to deal with memory management

And the basics of some languages are far from easy

Example is rust

[quartz pumice]

Memory management is easy bit they never teach it in a good way

[shrewd mango]

Does anyone have any suggestions on videos or websites that will help me get into coding?

[quartz pumice]

w3

schools

[barren shale]

if i want a fullstack framework i would use the javascript ones

if i wouldnt mind splitting then js framework for front and for back probably something easy to start with

.net is cool but its overkill for most things

just do research about what you want to do

and have fun

[short chasm]

w3 is amazing. They are the main site that comes up when I look stuff up. Their information is amazing.

[tropic dagger]

real

[tropic dagger]

realer

[royal dust]

Yo guys how do I fix a lost partition on a usb

Tryna not loose my years of data

On disk management it shows up as unallocated

[torn solar]

Right click and there should be an expand option

Unallocated storage is just unused disk space

[torn solar]

Or, space that’s inaccessible

[dreamy vortex]

I don’t know

Hope this helps 🤞🏼

[marble token]

Why is there a fly

[orchid frigate]

Is the data in the unallocated part

If yes then I dont think there is any way to save it

The only way ti access that space is to format it which deletes it

If the data is in the allocated part

You can add the unallocated part to the allocated part without losing data

[glacial horizon]

Are there any of you guys who work in VS code? Can I please ask about one problem?

[royal dust]

they were confused

[barren shale]

There’s probably a way to fix it

But I don’t think anyone here knows how to

Try data recovery software

[quartz pumice]

https://dontasktoask.com

[neat robin]

Hi

[frozen ginkgo]

is unity easy

like how long does it take to learn its basics on average

And how long would it take to learn... all of it

[wet girder]

You'll never learn all of it

That's the beauty of software development

Unity is pretty simple to learn as long as you know C# basics and the very basics of matrix algebra

[barren shale]

https://develop.games/

[royal dust]

Its not trustable anymore after what they did

I'll be switching to unreal or godot

[barren shale]

Not really

More trustable

They now know what not to do

[wet girder]

I disagree honestly

[hollow bronze]

they are equally as untrustable as before

[wet girder]

yep

[knotty root]

opengl is quite easy

and you have far more control over the game than if you were to use a game engine

[wet girder]

I'd not recommend that route for most people

[glacial horizon]

Guys, who works in Python on VSC? The code editor no longer sees the Disnake library. Everything worked before, but now... And the library is displayed in the list in the console, but the code does not see it. I already reinstalled, it doesn't help. Who knows what the problem is?

[orchid frigate]

its easy when you get a rendering engine

until then its boring initialization code that you could have skipped by just using a premade low level renderer

and if you want control over the hardware its better to go the long way with vulkan

[knotty root]

at least the init isn't as long as it is in vulkan